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Tomorrow Land: Time Travel Draft · May The Review Be With You

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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I called time travel though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also talk about time being relative, and like.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently the definition of time travel is relative too.
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  Speaker 2: Are we just going to get into it this time
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  Speaker 2: traveler or not time traveling? Think we're already there.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to made the review. Be with you, Nick, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Joe and I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 2: And today we are continuing our time travel draft. It
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  Speaker 2: is the last category pick. The unpicked many many weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: many many years ago, many many lifetimes ago. We picked
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  Speaker 2: seven different categories. We each picked time travel films that
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  Speaker 2: fit into these categories. This is the seventh category that
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  Speaker 2: we decided on. At the end of the draft, we
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  Speaker 2: had to go back in time and pick another one.
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  Speaker 2: So my pick for that was tomorrow Land starring George Clooney.
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  Speaker 2: And today we're talking about it. We're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: the time travel. We're gonna talk about does the time
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  Speaker 2: travel work, does it obey its own rules? Is it
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  Speaker 2: even a time travel film? And uh and yeah, Joe, thoughts,
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  Speaker 2: can I know you're excited.
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  Speaker 1: I am excited for this. The first thing I do
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  Speaker 1: want to bring up is usually we grade these movies
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  Speaker 1: in three different categories that Nick just rattled off there,
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  Speaker 1: and he very wisely did not name the last category,
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  Speaker 1: which we have been grading these movies as far as
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  Speaker 1: how well they were drafted in their particular categories. Since
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of a bonus category for some bonus points,
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  Speaker 1: there was really no way to go wrong here. So
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  Speaker 1: we will be grading just on those two categories of
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  Speaker 1: the film itself, and then, of course how well does
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  Speaker 1: the defined time travel work within the film's framework. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess to kick things off really before we get
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  Speaker 1: into any of it, we got to talk about the film,
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  Speaker 1: and what better way to do that than with a
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  Speaker 1: fifteen second summary of what the film is. You're smiling,
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  Speaker 1: so I feel like you remember, Yeah, he knows. It's
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  Speaker 1: his turn. It's Nicholas's turn. He's going to take fifteen
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  Speaker 1: seconds here to do his best to summarize all of
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  Speaker 1: the events of this film. I'm gonna give him a
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  Speaker 1: grade fter a. We'll see how he does. Nick. How
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  Speaker 1: you how you doing? How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 2: This is? This is not gonna be very good. Just
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  Speaker 2: hit the button, all right?
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  Speaker 1: When I say three two one go, he's gonna hit it.
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  Speaker 1: So here we go, three two one go.
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  Speaker 2: Frank Walker is a young inventor who figures out meets
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  Speaker 2: some girl who he's able to time travel with to
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  Speaker 2: the future or through a time portal, and then we
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  Speaker 2: pick up later and find him as an older man
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  Speaker 2: who has to then try to find him his way
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  Speaker 2: back another group of young and jeez, I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: for the fact that there's like three different portals they
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  Speaker 2: use in this movie. I'm so screwed.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't even get to the fact of the conflicts,
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  Speaker 1: Like what the conflict was? What was this movie about? Nick?
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  Speaker 1: Did you even watch this movie?
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  Speaker 2: I love this movie, Joe. I actually really liked this
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  Speaker 2: movie a lot. But but your love does not show
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  Speaker 2: to summarize it in fifteen seconds. It's not possible. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take a second and get in my
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  Speaker 2: time portal. I'm gonna do it again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just please. I failed. I'm gonna take the F
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  Speaker 1: you do get an f here? That was? That was
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  Speaker 1: truly awful. But I, as someone who has who has
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  Speaker 1: just claimed to love this movie, walk us through the
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  Speaker 1: broader strokes of this film. What is this film?
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  Speaker 2: Nick? All Right, So this film is about a inventor
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  Speaker 2: named Frank Walker. When we first meet Frank Walker. We
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  Speaker 2: meet his younger self. This is where you're at the
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  Speaker 2: World's Fair. I forget the year now, nineteen eighty four,
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  Speaker 2: World's Fair. That sounds right, I think that's right, World's Fair.
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  Speaker 2: And he brings an invention, a jetpack. He meets this
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  Speaker 2: older gentleman and he wants to, like, you know, collect
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  Speaker 2: a reward for inventing this jet back. Anyway, the movie
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  Speaker 2: follows the beginning follows the young Frank Walker. We find
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  Speaker 2: out he meets this girl and somehow this young kid
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  Speaker 2: ends up in a time portal and he travels to
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  Speaker 2: the future where or maybe it's another universe we find
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  Speaker 2: out later we can discuss that at the end of
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  Speaker 2: this he travels to a future where all of the
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  Speaker 2: creative people, Like, what if there was a future or
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  Speaker 2: a world where all the creative people in the world
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  Speaker 2: were there and they could just freely create. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: young Frank Walker travels here. He's there for a number
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  Speaker 2: of years, and then eventually he gets kicked out. We
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  Speaker 2: pick up at some other point where there is another
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  Speaker 2: young character that we meet and Casey. Her name is
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  Speaker 2: Casey Newton. Casey Newton ends up being another one of
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  Speaker 2: these like young Inventors who has been picked by the
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  Speaker 2: same girl that picked young Frank Walker, and we see
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  Speaker 2: that this girl has not aged at all. Anyway, This
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  Speaker 2: kind of gives us the main plot where Casey Newton
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  Speaker 2: and this girl from the beginning whose name is Athena,
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  Speaker 2: have to find Frank Walker and then figure out how
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  Speaker 2: to get back to this dimension or future because the
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  Speaker 2: world we find out is going to end in I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what is it days basically, so the world's ending.
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  Speaker 2: The plot is save the world. And that's maybe a
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  Speaker 2: better summary.
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  Speaker 1: It was a better summary as you put it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: in the other world, we find out that Frank invented
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  Speaker 1: a way it was I forgot I think it was Frank.
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  Speaker 1: Frank invented away.
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  Speaker 2: Of algorithm of probabilities to show what the probability of
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  Speaker 2: what the future would be. And so Frank invented this algorithm.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to make this algorithm work and to
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  Speaker 2: also be able to time hoop, tachion particles are like
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  Speaker 2: very important, So like this apparently like this these this
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  Speaker 2: this world of people has discovered tachion particles and or
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  Speaker 2: we're able to harness them to use to create devices
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  Speaker 2: to time hop or open up a time portal we
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  Speaker 2: can discuss whether or not this is time travel.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get there before we do, though, I do want
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  Speaker 1: to take a second just to talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the film itself, and really like kind of the era
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  Speaker 1: that this film came out, and I want to say,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, I'm correct, Okay, yeah, this came out in
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. It's Brad Bird film. He co wrote this
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  Speaker 1: film with David Damon Linloff, which should be a familiar
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  Speaker 1: name on this podcast, considering how often we bring up Lost,
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  Speaker 1: the creator of Lost Him and Liveloft. It's not It's not, honestly
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  Speaker 1: not that shocking to find out that he was attached
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  Speaker 1: to this project. He loves projects because you're lost, you
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  Speaker 1: guys in here, you would think I would.
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  Speaker 3: You're welcome for bringing you think guy, lost movie this
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  Speaker 3: So also, oh shut up, I'll get there. I'll give
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  Speaker 3: me a second. You're skipping, you're skipping. Brad Burd was
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  Speaker 3: a name that I was unfamiliar with as far as
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  Speaker 3: filmography goes. However, I apparently should be familiar with his
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  Speaker 3: name because like his resume is incredible, Like he's got
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  Speaker 3: like almost like nothing, but like hits here. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: The Iron Giant, the Incredibles, Right of two Week, Mission, Impossible,
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  Speaker 3: Goest Protocol, Tomorrow Land, which I don't know how that
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  Speaker 3: did in the box office, Incredibles two, which I know
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  Speaker 3: that did well, Raygun, which is coming out next year
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  Speaker 3: on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you know, be on the lookout for that.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, Tomorrowland is is part of this era
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  Speaker 1: of Disney where they were turning to the box office
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  Speaker 1: to help promote some of their rides, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: in their in their theme parks, right, like Pirates of
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  Speaker 1: the Caribbean or the Haunted Mansion, Right, tomorrow Land is
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  Speaker 1: like one of those products as well, Haunted Mansion. I
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  Speaker 1: was not a big fan of either of those movies.
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  Speaker 1: Pirates of the Caribbean first one is amazing the series
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  Speaker 1: take it or leave it, but I enjoy watching even
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  Speaker 1: the bad ones don't care like me some Pirates. This movie,
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of if I'm being honest with you, Nick,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of down in the middle on it. I think, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's enjoyable. I think George Clooney has like
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  Speaker 1: even when he's like negative Nelly, like he's he still
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  Speaker 1: has so much charisma that like just pulls pulls the
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  Speaker 1: movie along. The little girl play is I shouldn't call
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  Speaker 1: her little girl. The teenage girl plays Casey Newton. I
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  Speaker 1: think she's a really good actress actually, and she does
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  Speaker 1: a great job. The Athena character is interesting, and I
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  Speaker 1: like what is done with the Athena character. Honestly, who
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  Speaker 1: I found to be like kind of the least inspired
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  Speaker 1: character and I was like a little disappointed in what
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  Speaker 1: he ultimately is becomes is a David Nix who is
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  Speaker 1: ultimately our antagonist in the movie. He's played by Hugh Laurie,
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  Speaker 1: which I was so excited to see Hugh Laurie in
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  Speaker 1: this movie. I was like, oh, yeah, House was not
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  Speaker 1: expecting that. Right, He's not been talking a lot here,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Do stuff, you know, like he doesn't do stuff right, right.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's rare when I get to see
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  Speaker 1: Hugh Laurie like in an actual film. So that was
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  Speaker 1: that was neat and like to see him. I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: sure if he was gonna be an antagonist or not,
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  Speaker 1: but like, you know, he was being the guy who
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  Speaker 1: was like the bouncer at the door for young Frank. Right.
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  Speaker 1: His character is pretty like one dimensional weirdly for what
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  Speaker 1: the idea of Tomorrowland is. Yeah, and I think this
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  Speaker 1: is ultimately like where the movie kind of falls flat
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  Speaker 1: for me. You use the phrase yourself it's to save
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  Speaker 1: the world plot, which, like as far as save the
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  Speaker 1: world plots go, I think the idea of this one
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  Speaker 1: is a good one, right, it's it's it's the idea
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  Speaker 1: of probability, and like everyone is responsible for creating like
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  Speaker 1: this feedback loop of doom with movies and films, books
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  Speaker 1: all about the end, and we're all focusing on that
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  Speaker 1: rather than trying to fix the actual problems, which, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a pretty good commentary on life. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a great commentary on life. I don't know, I just
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  Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't really like grab me as far
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  Speaker 1: as like that particular like plot element goes and how
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  Speaker 1: they're going to try to stop Nix and Nix's I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, Nix is just kind of a ring villain
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  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that makes sense, especially because like you know,
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  Speaker 2: that dimension that they're in is supposed to be like
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  Speaker 2: very supposed to be the builders and creator creatives of
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  Speaker 2: the world and all these things, and like no one
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  Speaker 2: has decided to like not accept that our world is ending,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because really that future is not really necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a future. I think it ends up being more like
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  Speaker 2: a separate, a different dimension that they go to. So
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  Speaker 2: like our world being destroyed doesn't mean that place is
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  Speaker 2: going to be destroyed. They'll go continue, although it's not
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  Speaker 2: as there's not as much hope there as there there
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  Speaker 2: was in the nineteen eighty four version or whatever, right,
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  Speaker 2: because I think because of the world ending, right, so
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  Speaker 2: there's some there is some effects at least at least
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  Speaker 2: that's what I get from it there. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: your point about he definitely is kind of more like
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  Speaker 2: one sided for sure. I think that George Clooney and
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  Speaker 2: the other gang of actors and actresses definitely helped the
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  Speaker 2: film and carry the film as far as like the
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  Speaker 2: interesting parts of it go.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to say, Nick, I was I was
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  Speaker 1: really hooked to the idea at first when we first
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  Speaker 1: see tomorrow Land, and like it is the viewer at
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  Speaker 1: least is I was under the impression. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: you were too, that when Frank first goes to Tomorrowland,
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  Speaker 1: he is stepping into the future, and like I like
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  Speaker 1: the literal future, right, And like I loved that idea
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  Speaker 1: of like the best and brightest get like snatched from
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  Speaker 1: the past, and like they're here in this like utopian
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  Speaker 1: future city of like the universe, but maybe at some
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  Speaker 1: point they go back, right. I was like, Oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: really fun, Like what what you could do with that?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. So I was kind of bummed out
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  Speaker 1: later when I find out, no, it's not time travel.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're going to this pocket dimension and and and
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  Speaker 1: the actions of here have really no effect on on
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  Speaker 1: the timeline. And based on like how the movie works,
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  Speaker 1: it did feel like maybe there was a draft that
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  Speaker 1: that was the case, because like the time the timeline
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  Speaker 1: was like all over the place at one point, and
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  Speaker 1: that was fun, that was interesting. So yeah, I got
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  Speaker 1: I got super bummed when like that wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know. It's tough because like they're
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  Speaker 2: in some way though, there is an effect, right, because
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  Speaker 2: they've got this probability calculator and they can see what
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  Speaker 2: the probability is that that world is going to like
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  Speaker 2: implode on itself, But then they can also see if
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  Speaker 2: it's changing, so like there's still some effect, you know, like.
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  Speaker 1: Right, affecting affecting the future, like the unknown future, there
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  Speaker 1: is still some kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of you're still able to affect some kind of like change.
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  Speaker 2: It does kind of bread the question of Okay, well
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  Speaker 2: what is the time travelness of it?
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  Speaker 1: And there, I mean to your point, like I think
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  Speaker 1: we do see some like pretty immediate Like I see, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here's the thing. I want to give you a zero
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  Speaker 1: for like time travel because I'm like, there's no time
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  Speaker 1: travel in this freaking movie. But the movie does actually
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  Speaker 1: talk a lot about time and like it even gets
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  Speaker 1: into the idea of like Tachyon particles, right, and like
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  Speaker 1: there's really like as far as like the comp the
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  Speaker 1: Climax goes. While I'm not super into Nicks as a villain,
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  Speaker 1: I will say there are parts of the of the
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  Speaker 1: Climax that were really interesting. And that was like Athena
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  Speaker 1: or Casey dealing with like the chaos that's ensuing around
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  Speaker 1: them while the Tachyon particles are showing them like visions
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  Speaker 1: of the future of what's about to happen to them, right,
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  Speaker 1: and that was super fun. Like there's a moment just
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  Speaker 1: to like give anyone listening like an example there's a
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  Speaker 1: moment with I believe Casey are protagonist, are optimist of
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  Speaker 1: the future. She she sees like she's on this like
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  Speaker 1: platform and like they're tacking on particles everywhere, and she
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  Speaker 1: sees like a vision of herself like falling right are
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  Speaker 1: like her hands are in the air and she's screaming
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  Speaker 1: and which like is hilarious because like she knows that's
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  Speaker 1: about to happen to her, but she doesn't know why.
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  Speaker 1: And then like the platform gets out and then suddenly
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  Speaker 1: she is like the projection of the future, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: So like that was that was neat, So like there
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  Speaker 1: is like some tiny whiminess going on. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I call it time travel though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also talk about time being relative and
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  Speaker 2: like so there's.
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  Speaker 1: Is there direct Apparently the definition of time travel is
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  Speaker 1: relative too.
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  Speaker 2: Are we just gonna get into this time traveler or
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  Speaker 2: not time travel?
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  Speaker 1: We're already there, We're here, baby, all right, give me
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  Speaker 1: your argument why is it time travel?
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  Speaker 2: One thing about what we should just get into that,
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  Speaker 2: But one more thing about casting. Tim McGraw and Catherine
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  Speaker 2: Hahn m always nice, always good, always entertaining, short short scenes.
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  Speaker 2: You know they were in and in there for much
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  Speaker 2: of it, but very cool.
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  Speaker 1: I was not expecting to see Catherine Hahn in this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and that was pretty much I knew nothing except George
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  Speaker 1: Clooney was in this movie. So like whenever like a cameo,
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  Speaker 1: not a cameo, but like a big star would show up,
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  Speaker 1: would be like, hey.
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  Speaker 2: Also, Tesla Edison, you know, we got some really big
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  Speaker 2: cameos in this one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's that's the other thing about about David Nicks. Okay,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: all right, color me color me un educated here, and
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: if you know the answer to this, please tell me.
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  Speaker 1: Why does our villain have such a boring name? Like
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  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be a society of like geniuses,
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  Speaker 1: and like Casey Newton is our protagonist's name. Why doesn't
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  Speaker 1: David Nicks have a famous historic name or just like
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, David big brain doctor professor, Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't freaking know, like David Nix, Like what is that?
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  Speaker 2: Like it definitely gave us some kind of like easter
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  Speaker 2: egg with Casey's last name being Newton, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like okay, you know, like whatever, Yeah, but we might
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  Speaker 2: as well talk about the time travel or the times
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  Speaker 2: portals or whatever. You want to call it. Admittedly, I
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  Speaker 2: will call them time portals or portal. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know portals. Two dimensions is really what it is. I
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  Speaker 2: guess we don't know where this dimension is, so how
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  Speaker 2: do we know it's not technically the future?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? Wow? Okay, so no hard no.
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  Speaker 2: On that, Joe. I think you would have liked this
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  Speaker 2: movie more if it wasn't part of our draft. I
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  Speaker 2: think you're looking for reasons to give me a zero no.
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  Speaker 1: Like, like I said, I'm middle of the road as
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  Speaker 1: far as like the movie goes. I'm like, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: not bad. I don't think it's that great, but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like I had an enjoyable time time travel. No, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: not no time travel.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fun movie. It's it's a movie. It it
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  Speaker 2: definitely masks itself as time travel, and then as you
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  Speaker 2: get into it into it, you're like, you know what
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  Speaker 2: it's really I would agree with that, you're really not Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't deny it either. So I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: really more like pocket dimensions and traveling to a different dimensions.
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  Speaker 2: So with that said, we might as well talk about it,
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  Speaker 2: because we give what we get three different mechanisms for
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  Speaker 2: this in the film, which is cool because in all
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  Speaker 2: the other films we've seen, we've had one mechanism for
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: time travel. Now this isn't time travel, but it's you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: we can it's relatable. Right, we're hopping to a different dimension.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: But we get if you think about it, we get
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: three different ways that they do it. The first time
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: is in the train car when it's young Frank Walker
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, right, you go through it's a small world.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: You have to have the pen. You go through it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a small world. You get into a train car and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: he is transported to this world right.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: By the way. That just a quick side here. That
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was another like point in favor of this movie because
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I absolutely subscribe to the theory that there is some
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: kind of under underground tunnel underneath it's a small world.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, as someone who has been to this park
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: many a time, like, you cannot tell me that there
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: are secret tracks on.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: This ride next time I go, and we're gonna find it. Man,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you just gotta have the pin.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: What if it really was that it's like, hey, we're
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: really not trying to be subtle with it. Just buy
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the pin and then like.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Buy the pin. See what happens you never know, but
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two is the Eiffel Tower.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: The Eiffel Tower's cool.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Actually that was cool, like coming up with a concept
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: for like why this thing is actually looks like a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: launch pad. That was cool. And then the third one
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: is the one that we see once they get there,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: which is with the tachyon part of in this whole situation.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So that's like a third portal, a third way to
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: open a portal. So there's three different ways that we
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: see in this movie to like get to this other dimension,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: which like is very different than all the other time
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: travel films we've done when there's been literally like one thing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Isn't there, isn't it there? Technically four because like you
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: brought up the little like pin, right, I don't know
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: what you would call this, but like Casey, like when
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: she specifically touches the pin, yeah, it also takes her
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the future or like she's se or not the future,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but like the universe, right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't count that because it's the recording.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that is a recording.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's the recording, so I don't count that. But
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: technically the fourth one, there is a fourth one, though
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you're right at the very end, because I'm assuming they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: just rebuilt the tachion particle machine, because I think they
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: destroyed it at the end, and I don't know if
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: they had another way to get back, So I imagine it
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was just rebuilt or maybe there's another one who knows
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's a we'll put it on in the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: questions pile that are unanswered. But but anyway, so definitely three,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: which is just a cool fact. But if you compare
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: it to our other time travel films, like there's like
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: multiple different ways you can you can do it here
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: in this film, which you know, decide how you like
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that or not.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I will, I will give you. I will give you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: this nick as far as the time travel convention of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: this ghost. So I do think that there is enough
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in this movie right with like especially with the conversation
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of like tachion particles and all the all the talk
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of like probability right and the future. And at one
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: point they even like use the machine to like view
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the past, right right, they view cases past at one point,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I I will, I will, there's a bit of a stretch,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but I will give you this. Uh, even if that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: world that they go to is not technically Earth, right,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Let's like, let's say it's it's it's a different world, right.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: In order for like them to go to that world
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and to experience like the now of that world and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: then return back to our world and like the two
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: nows are like in sync, that would require some time
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: travel kind of because like there's no way that you
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: can do that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And fantastic point. I wasn't even gonna bring this up
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: because I'm.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Just like, there, like there is some timey whininess to that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: You're right, right, right, that's time travel.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's one of the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: weakest that we've gotten. But but but the argument is there.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Theoretically there is some time travel happening there.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: It's not a zero, that's all it matters.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think it can be a zero. I think
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: we grade on one to five, right, have we getten?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Anything lower? I think we have given something lower than
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a one. I don't remember what it was, but I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: think a movie did get it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I did lower than a one.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like one and a half.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: You know what, No, it wasn't. It wasn't for time travel.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was like a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: it was something in Marvel. It was probably Secret Evasion
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Which got like a point two or something.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: The Flash. It was probably The Flush Hot Guard, which
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: is also a time travel film.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: We're not We're not having this convery. This is not
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that thing anyway.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Moving on, so the Time the Flash movie has more
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: time travel than this movie.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Don't don't give any compliments to that abstrosity.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, that is, except for the fact they'd probably get
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a four on a time travel score in this movie,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: probably get a one. I don't know, just saying, yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that's a little.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Low, buddy, all right, get those rookie numbers up. Huh
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: bumpbos numbers up. You're just trying now, you're trying.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: To like, I'm sorry, you're right, the Flash serves a five.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is disgusting. I'm canceling this podcast.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: We're no longer doing this podcast.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, the Flush was the breaking point?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Good lord, the Flash Point Baby's Joe Flying Baby.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I remember them and they looked bad in CGOR. They
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: were no good. Those are bad babies.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Anyone who's like giving Ai shit, I'm like, listen, AI
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: might have done some better babies than the CG they try.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: All right, So we've kind of talked about the time travel.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Obviously we were both kind of in agreement that it's not.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, there is some time travel, but it's really
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: more of a the mention hop situation rather than time travel.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: So it's there rules. Does the movie at least obey
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: its own rules that it sets up?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I would say, I think, hmm, okay, So
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like what would you say? I could probably think of
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: some but what would you say? The rules are here?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So there's a couple of different ones. At the beginning.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: The beginning, the young Frank Walker needs the pin to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: be able to access the room where the train car
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: is that he uses to teleport. Once he's in the car.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: He doesn't need anything, he just needs to be in there, okay,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So he so you need the pin at the beginning
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: middle of the film, you need to have like whatever
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Frank had built as an older man. They go to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like this electric room with this like dome situation, you
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: need to have this mechanism to get there, right, very similar,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming it works just very same as the train
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: car differences. You didn't need to pin because you're he
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it was his room that he had access to, so
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you don't need to pin right later when you get
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: when they get to the future dimension, they have this full,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: very very sophisticated Tachyon particle dimension opener where you just
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: basically it looks like you just need to flip a switch.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: So there's really not a lot of rules. There's no
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: we don't get any rules about like if you do
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this here, you can't do this here, you can't go there,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. So I think that like, based
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: on that, it doesn't really break its you know, dimension
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: traveling rules.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: So if I were to, like if I were to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like simplify that, so it sounds like what you're saying,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you need you need the pen or at least in
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: some cases, right, which let's call that a key. Right,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you need a key, you need a vehicle of some
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: sort and a door, right key for the vehicle door
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: or a vehicle for the door. Well, you know, let's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: just throw this in here. Let's assume techim particles are involved.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I would I would say like the films
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: like super consistent with that, especially with the idea of
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the whole conflict of trying to get to the Eiffel Tower, right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Like that's absolutely necessary. Right, It's not like Athena just
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: opens up, you know, another portal, right, which like that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: could have been an easy like do sex machina. So yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I know, I will give you that. Does it follow
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: its own rules as far as like time travel goes, Yeah,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: it does. I just think that the mechanism itself is weak,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and this is probably why I would give it like
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a lower grade compared to like what else we've seen.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I won't give it a one. You're you're right,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I mean it does follow the rules. That would be
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that would be mean, That would be really mean to do.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Also, the fact that Damon Linlof is part of this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: project tells me, especially with the way that this movie begins,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and like you and I both have the same impression
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that like this is a time trouble movie. The way
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: everything is like that, the way the movie guides the viewer,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it feels like we're talking about time travel, especially when
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Frank and Cassie we didn't even talk about the beginning
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of the movie. The beginning of the movie, Frank and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Cassie are fighting over the narration of this film because
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Frank is trying to alert the people of like the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: doom and the disaster, and Casey the optimist is like, hey,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like we should really start at like a better place here, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about the end. So like what I'm getting
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: at here is we start with they're trying to talk
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: about the future, and Frank's first words are the future.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: It's different than when I first saw it, right, And
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: it almost sounds like, well, based on what we know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: tomorrow Land is like what he's referring to, right, So
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: my theory for this movie, and again this is because
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the creator of Loss is involved. I think that there
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was a much more complicated version of this script at
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: one point that like time travel absolutely was involved, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't the world that was going to die.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, yes it was, but like the idea of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: tomorrow Land was going to die, which, like, honestly, I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: think that's a way more interesting plot. And it feels
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: like the beginning of this movie absolutely supports what conclusion
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that could have been. So I don't know, it was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. We dumbed down a lot of things for
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: audiences before Marvel decided to take some big swings or
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Interstellar decided to take some big swings. Was like, hey,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you know what, audiences they have an appetite for complicated
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: sci fi movies, Like, let's just do it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: You know, when Jeff re writes a script on air
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: and I like that film better, we should we should
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: absolutely write that film.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: We'll call it right. The film sounds awesome, doesn't it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: We'll call it something out stay tuned.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, two days from tomorrowland.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: All right, Jesus, all right, let's scores? Should we do scores?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Any other points you wanted to make.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I thought the romance subplot between Athena and uh Frank
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was handled very tactfully. Agreed, Yeah, like that could have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: been weird. That could have been weird, and like, honestly
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like they I think they handled it super well. To
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: get into what I'm talking about here, Frank is basically
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: an old man by the end of this movie. Athena,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: as Nick had brought up earlier, is android or cyborg robot.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: She's a robot and she's a robot child. And Frank
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't know that as a kid, and he has a
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: crush on the robot, so his feelings are not reciprocated
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: when he finds out she's a robot. This spurns him
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: and gets really mad about it. But we find out
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: by the end of the film Athena and the relationship
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: she had built with Frank, she did not understand how
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: she could feel things as a robot, but Frank made
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: her feel things despite the fact that she was artificial.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And the way that that confession comes off at the end,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I think is a performed very well by both actors,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and I think that was again written really tactfully. It's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a weird story, but I like weird stories. That was cool.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: They did pull that off, for sure. Awesome point. All right,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: what are the two? What's the two? Time travel? And
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: then how it fits in the category.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: No time travel and just the film itself. Oh, I've
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: got a five.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: That's right because the category obviously mm hm.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Anyway, yeah, it's just a bonus, all right.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: You first give me the time travel number.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: All right, the time travel number. I can't go I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: can't go super high with this, nor can I give
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it absolute zero because like, yeah, I follow the rules.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: So you know what, you get a two for doing
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: your homework.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: A good job movie, all right, thank you, Joe. I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I am going to, uh give myself some grace and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: give it a five. I'm kidding.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You know what, We're at the end of the draft here.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: If you were gonna take advantage of a score, now
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is the time to do it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: No, no, listen, I'm gonna give my give it. I'm
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: gonna give it a two point five. Yeah, you're right,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because but I'm just gonna, you know, give it half
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: half a score two and a half. And then overall,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: what do you give this film out of five? How
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: do you feel?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I give it like a three point five, like down
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the middle. I think it's like honestly, I enjoyed watching it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I think that there were some things
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: about the end that like I wish, like considering what
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the movie is talking about about being like great imagineers,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: which again I think supports my David Limblof theory. It
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: just feels like a little like a little uninspired honestly,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: but I think it's a great topic and honestly, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: wish we had more of this kind of optimism.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: So you definitely talked me down a little bit on
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: my own film.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Now you know what it feels like.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And I still really like this movie because it's overall
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: it's fun and like it's a fun it is travel
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: esque movie. Whatever. I'm gonna meet you at three point
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: five on this actually.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Nice, I will say, Nick of the of the Theme
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Park of the Theme Park movies, this was way better
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: than the Haunted Mansions and way better than like most
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of the Pirates of the Caribbean films.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say maybe half of the Pirates of the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Caribbean films. I really like those films, even the shitty ones.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I know, if we too. Yeah, okay, so all right
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: quick Pirates talk. Obviously number one is the best, and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: then my second favorite would probably be Oh my god,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: what what what's the third movie called?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: At World's End?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: At World's End? At World Done? Super fun. I like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that movie a lot.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. Anyway, we have we'll
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: do a whole Pirate series one day.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: We should do a whole Pirate series. Oh my gosh,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: should be cool.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Awesome, man, any final thoughts.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: We got one movie left, We got one movie left. Yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: uh so we are approaching the end of our time too,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: over draft. We have one movie left in this category
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: picked the unpicked, and that would be my film Safety
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: not guaranteed. Uh, I'm very excited to talk to you
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: about this film, especially after how harsh I was on
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the time travel of this movie. Can't wait to see
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: what you're gonna say about safety not guarantee.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't wait. And we're almost it's been
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: two years. We're almost done with this wild Yeah. In
• 34:06
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• 34:10
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• 34:18
  Speaker 1: May the review beat with you.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's a small