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A Few Good Minutes: Capitalizing on Eagles Sudden Vulnerability in Week 5 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a few good minutes ahead of the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: showdown with the Philadelphia Eagles at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are the talk of the NFL after the
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  Speaker 1: first month of the season. Quarterback Trevor Lawrence is near
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  Speaker 1: the top of the league in completion percentage, success rate, touchdown,
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  Speaker 1: quarterback efficiency rating, and more categories that honestly I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know existed until recently. He's been fun to watch
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  Speaker 1: in Liam Cohen's electrifying offense. Anthony Campanile's defense is giving
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  Speaker 1: up just 13 points per game, which is at the
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  Speaker 1: top of the AFC. And they have eight takeaways, which
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  Speaker 1: the offense has turned into a league-leading 38 points. And
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  Speaker 1: they're on pace to be even better in that crucial
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  Speaker 1: category than they were a year ago. It's good to
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  Speaker 1: be a Jaguar right now, especially if you like to travel.
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  Speaker 1: The Jaguars are in London, which since 2013 has been
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  Speaker 1: their home away from home. The Eagles are the first
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  Speaker 1: of two they'll play across the pond. And so I
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  Speaker 1: picked up the phone and dialed an old friend, Ashlyn Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: who's covered them and the Flyers and the 76ers and
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  Speaker 1: the Phillies today. for NBC Sports in Philadelphia since leaving
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  Speaker 1: us at the end of the 2022 season. Ashlyn is
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  Speaker 1: a rising star in our business, and I'm proud to
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  Speaker 1: say I had a small part in helping her get
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  Speaker 1: to where she is today. She's talented, driven, hardworking, and
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  Speaker 1: as you're about to hear, has learned a lot about
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  Speaker 1: ball since she showed up in Jacksonville from the University
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  Speaker 1: of Florida almost 10 years ago. You came in a
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  Speaker 1: fresh face college kid in 2017. I remember the day
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, who is this? And it didn't take
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  Speaker 1: very long to realize you weren't going to be one
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  Speaker 1: of those interns that carry the camera. And before you
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  Speaker 1: knew it, you jumped on, you know, Jag's drive time
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  Speaker 1: with us and you were off and running. You're riding
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  Speaker 1: in a golf cart with a quarterback and you were
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  Speaker 1: on the sidelines and you worked your way onto the
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  Speaker 1: team plane. You, You just, you knew what you wanted.
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  Speaker 1: And as sad as I was to see you go personally,
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  Speaker 1: I knew Philly was going to be great for you.
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  Speaker 1: So give everybody an update. You're the Flyers host. You
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  Speaker 1: do the Eagles. I've seen you sneak your way into
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  Speaker 1: a little baseball and a little basketball. Tell us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: make everybody proud with what you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me. I miss Jacksonville still.
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  Speaker 2: every day. I miss living there. I miss Southern grounds.
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  Speaker 2: I miss the little things, the connection, the people, it
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  Speaker 2: never goes away. And that's why I'm moving to Philly
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  Speaker 2: at one point was so scary and intimidating because I
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  Speaker 2: knew how much I would miss Jacksonville. And I still do,
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  Speaker 2: but now NBC sports, Philadelphia host reporters. So cover all
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  Speaker 2: the great sports here.
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  Speaker 3: I love Philly. I love the passion.
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  Speaker 2: Of the sports fan, but I do miss the Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: and all the great people. And it's been so cool
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  Speaker 2: to see the rise from afar of this football team,
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  Speaker 2: because we went through some years down there now to
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  Speaker 2: see it on the other side, which you always knew
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars and this team, we're going to get to
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  Speaker 2: the other side. I still don't think people appreciate how
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  Speaker 2: much progress they have made, but from someone that has
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  Speaker 2: seen it from internally to now externally, you have to
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  Speaker 2: be proud of how far they've come.
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  Speaker 3: It's been very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, you've got a Super Bowl coverage in your career, right?
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  Speaker 1: In 2024 with that great Eagles team, but you also
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  Speaker 1: have a one in 15. And I don't think your
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  Speaker 1: career would be complete if you hadn't experienced both ends
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  Speaker 1: of the spectrum. You're better because.
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  Speaker 3: No, it does.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I say anyone that 2024 Super Bowl team
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  Speaker 2: and being there to watch that and witness it and
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  Speaker 2: win it. It's one of the proudest days of my career.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of the coolest locker rooms I've ever
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  Speaker 2: been in, but. covering a one in 15 football team
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  Speaker 2: will make you better. Because when you have to go
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  Speaker 2: in there and you have to look players in the
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  Speaker 2: face and know your questions are annoying, that'll.
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  Speaker 3: Make you tough.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think that prepared me for Philly because
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  Speaker 2: Philly is a really tough town. And I felt like
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  Speaker 2: I could hang at least because I had gone through
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  Speaker 2: those experiences.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So it's got to be tough right now.
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  Speaker 1: In 33 years of doing this, I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen a combination of injuries, retirements, trades. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I don't, I it's impossible to describe to
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  Speaker 1: people everything that's happened. Chaos probably doesn't quite describe. And that's, listen,
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  Speaker 1: that's a bedrock organization. One of the best in the
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  Speaker 1: national football league, but all of the things that have
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  Speaker 1: hit this and then this week, what's, what's the mindset
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  Speaker 1: there at the Eagles at, at their facility?
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly poor. I'm just going to be honest with you. They're,
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  Speaker 2: You said it, the Eagles organization isn't used to chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Howie Roseman doesn't do chaos. It is constant stability and
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  Speaker 2: success and a lever that you have to meet constantly
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  Speaker 2: in the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: It's fallen apart.
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  Speaker 2: And I, in my five years covering the team, I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen it like this. When you break it all down,
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  Speaker 2: it all makes sense why it happened. The return that
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  Speaker 2: they got for Cam Juergens to the Ravens to get
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  Speaker 2: a second round pick.
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  Speaker 1: It stinks.
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  Speaker 3: It screams, I think, to Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: They're in a rebuild. But when you actually look at it,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting a second-round pick. Anyone's going to take that
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  Speaker 2: trade 10 out of 10 times. Lane Johnson retiring. We
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  Speaker 2: knew this was coming. He has mental health issues that
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  Speaker 2: he's dealing with. He has an elderly family that he's
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  Speaker 2: dealing with. We knew this day would come. You just
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  Speaker 2: didn't think it would come this week. And you're dealing
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  Speaker 2: with a new offensive system under Sean Mannion. It's only
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  Speaker 2: been a month, and I knew this would happen in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 2: Hasn't looked great. And everyone's like, well, we have to
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  Speaker 2: fire Nick Sirianni and we have to fire the OC,
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  Speaker 2: even though he's only been here a couple of months.
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  Speaker 2: This town doesn't have a lot of patience. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's complete rebuild, tear the doors off. But
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  Speaker 2: I do think this is going to take a little
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  Speaker 2: bit to fix.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at the Lane Johnson retirement, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking the best right tackle in football. Tony Buscelli
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  Speaker 1: called him a future Hall of Famer. That was the
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  Speaker 1: indication to me that the wheels were falling off. And
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about, it's been two years since they won
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. What a precipitous fall. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's really the same team. I mean, you still
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  Speaker 2: have Saquon Barkley, who People will argue with me on this.
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  Speaker 2: He's still one of the best, if not the best
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  Speaker 2: running back in the league right now. And you still
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  Speaker 2: have Devante Smith, who's a bona fide wide receiver one.
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  Speaker 2: And you have Jalen Hurts and all the criticism Jalen
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  Speaker 2: Hurts takes. He's a Super Bowl MVP. And all he
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  Speaker 2: does is win. Look at his win loss stat. So
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  Speaker 2: the team really isn't that different. And that's what's unfortunate
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  Speaker 2: is it does seem like they're kind of turning the
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  Speaker 2: tides where now the only starter left on that team
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  Speaker 2: on offense from that super bowl is, is Jordan, my
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  Speaker 2: lot and Saquon.
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  Speaker 3: And that's, that's pretty crazy to think about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It changes fast. And when you look at the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball, they still have so many talented players.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I look at Jalen.
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  Speaker 1: Carter and Jordan Davis and Nolan Smith, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: bring in Jonathan Grenard and they've got Quinnian Mitchell. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's still a lot of talent and a
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  Speaker 1: hall of fame defensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, you, you've got a lot of things there,
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  Speaker 1: but they haven't performed. Do you, You have an idea
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  Speaker 1: of what you've seen so far that hasn't worked for
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  Speaker 1: them this year?
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  Speaker 2: The ineptitude of the offense, I do really think is
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  Speaker 2: starting to trickle over to the defense. There was a
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  Speaker 2: stat that was so alarming last season where the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: defense on average played an entire additional game of snaps
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  Speaker 2: than the average NFL team last season. This offense has
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  Speaker 2: been so bad, frankly, for so long. that they always
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  Speaker 2: put the pressure on the defense and more games than not,
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  Speaker 2: they show up and they bail the offense out. I
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  Speaker 2: just think it's starting to catch up to them. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't look like this forever. And it's now gone
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  Speaker 2: into a season and a half where it's been like this,
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  Speaker 2: the pass rush. I'm a little surprised that it's been
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  Speaker 2: as absent as it has been granted. Jonathan Grenard.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's still a hundred percent when he
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  Speaker 3: gets cooking. I'm curious if this looks different.
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  Speaker 2: And also Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis, they're not the
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  Speaker 2: players right now that you paid. And you know better
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  Speaker 2: than anyone, that's a problem. They got paid to be
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  Speaker 2: household names, game wreckers. And there are more games than
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  Speaker 2: not that they just don't show up. And if that's
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  Speaker 2: the case, this defense is not going to be as
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  Speaker 2: dominant as they were last year.
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  Speaker 1: And then that puts it all back on the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: to try to make everything happen. And.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know how he's going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. When I saw the Juergens
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  Speaker 1: trade came through, I thought they're putting the white flag up.
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  Speaker 1: They're saying, we understand with all these injuries, by the
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  Speaker 1: time we get guys back healthy, we're probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be out of it. They've got a salary cap issue.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they've got to address at the end
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  Speaker 1: of 2027 and draft picks for high salaries certainly helps.
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  Speaker 1: Howie Roseman's a guy that doesn't, as you mentioned, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: ever really lower the standard, but it's almost as if
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  Speaker 1: they're saying, we've got a Super Bowl out of this.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to make sure that we're not down too long.
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  Speaker 1: Is that accurate?
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  Speaker 3: It is accurate, and I think that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And Eagles fans aren't going to want to hear me
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  Speaker 2: say that, but you have to look at the reality
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  Speaker 2: of the situation. You've got a great return for Cam Juergens.
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  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, as incredible as he is, and while I
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  Speaker 2: still think he has a lot in the tank, he
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  Speaker 2: does have the injury issue that creeps in. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have the same wide receiver room you used.
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  Speaker 3: To have with A.J.
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  Speaker 2: Brown, Devontae Smith, now you're one. And you look at
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  Speaker 2: the salary cap that you mentioned, they keep saying how
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  Speaker 2: they want to pay Quimion Mitchell and Cooper Dejean. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to do that. And
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  Speaker 2: I also don't know how you let those two players
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  Speaker 2: walk out your door. So you got to figure out something.
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  Speaker 2: This team does need to get a little younger. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: this offensive identity that Sean Mannion is preaching, the shotgun
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  Speaker 2: West Coast scheme, I don't think they have the personnel
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  Speaker 2: to match it. They don't have the tight ends to
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  Speaker 2: match it. So while this all sounded great in theory
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  Speaker 2: and training camp, it doesn't seem like the players are
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  Speaker 2: matching what Mannion's got to do. So I think you're,
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  Speaker 2: if you're Howie Roseman, the Eagles, you have to decide,
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  Speaker 2: are you going to stick to Mannion? And are you
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  Speaker 2: going to want to be this offense? Are you going
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  Speaker 2: to be this running gun team? And the problem is
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  Speaker 2: if you choose to rely on your running backs and
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  Speaker 2: the running game, you no longer have the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: to do that. So it kind of seems like, like
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  Speaker 2: your cards are dealt in right now.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard only good things about Nick Sirianni the coach,
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  Speaker 1: the leader, the person. I mean, he has this sort
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  Speaker 1: of tough guy exterior that people outside.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect for Philly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, perfect. But I've heard about the personal notes
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  Speaker 1: that he writes players and the level of care and
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  Speaker 1: concern that he has for his team. Do you suppose
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  Speaker 1: that they'll find a second wind for him if he's
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  Speaker 1: under this kind of pressure? Is he a rallying point
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  Speaker 1: for this football team? In other words, is this a
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: trap game for the Jaguars? Do you think This team
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  Speaker 1: can rally around all this craziness, the circus of this
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  Speaker 1: last week. Is there a chance they get on the
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  Speaker 1: airplane and they get to London and they rally around
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  Speaker 1: their coach?
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  Speaker 2: They could rally around their coach. I also think they
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  Speaker 2: could rally around a lot of young players getting an opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: And that is such a Philly story that Willie Lampkin's
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  Speaker 2: going to get his start on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: 5'11.
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  Speaker 2: I know it. And all of these guys that we're
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to be counting on that now are. I
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  Speaker 2: think they could rely on that. And also, as much
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  Speaker 2: of a rallying cry it would be to go around
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  Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni, which the locker room does love. As much
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  Speaker 2: as people want to bring down Jalen Hurts outside that building,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in there every day. And man, they love their quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: They love how Jalen leads. And this is all going
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  Speaker 2: to be put on Jalen's plate. And when that happens,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm a betting woman, I never bet against Jalen
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  Speaker 2: when his back's against the wall and all the cards
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  Speaker 2: are against him, which it very much this week.
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  Speaker 3: Seems to be the case.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't think they have the weapons to get
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  Speaker 1: the job done this week. That's just my assessment. And
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  Speaker 1: when you don't have your top two runners, when you're,
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  Speaker 1: when you're messing with the offensive line, like they are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, no Lane Johnson, no Cam Juergens. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard's down, no Devontis. I don't know how they
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  Speaker 1: get it done this week, but it.
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  Speaker 2: Was a fire drill at practice. I mean, Jalen to
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  Speaker 2: even get a call off with this new offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how he's doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe not this week, but you know, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: can get to their buy. and get a couple of
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  Speaker 1: guys back healthy and make a second half run with
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback and the coach around whom they won that
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl two years ago.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: And you look at the division, the NFC East, you're
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  Speaker 2: never going to trust. I mean, we still don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the Dallas Cowboys are. I do think their defense
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  Speaker 2: looks a little more solidified. The Giants, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how the Giants are first in the NFC East right now,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think it stays that way. And then
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  Speaker 2: the commanders are the commanders. So I think if the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles can just get back to respectful football, I still
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  Speaker 2: think they have a chance to win the division, which
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  Speaker 2: is crazy to say.
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  Speaker 1: It's so great to catch up with you, Ashlyn. And
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  Speaker 1: I know people are just going down memory line and
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  Speaker 1: remembering the time that you spent with the Jaguars. Best
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  Speaker 1: of luck with the Eagles and the Flyers. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure with LeBron James in town, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: sneak your way into 76ers coverage. My money's on you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do my best.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Brian, for having me. And thank you
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  Speaker 2: all the Jaguars fans who've been so kind to reach out.
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  Speaker 2: And I still get messages and I love hearing from everyone.
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  Speaker 4: So thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stay outside the Jacksonville city limits for a few
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  Speaker 1: more minutes. I'm a radio guy at heart, which means
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  Speaker 1: I love to listen and I'm always looking for something
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  Speaker 1: new and interesting. I do sports for a living. So
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: if it's going to be in the sporting realm, it
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: better be good. The athletic football show isn't just good
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: in the world of professional football. I think it's the
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: best Robert Mays and his co-hosts watch every game. They
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  Speaker 1: and they follow the trends that drive our game. Then
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  Speaker 1: they translate all of that into an entertaining and informative program.
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  Speaker 1: And trust me, informative and entertaining, well, it's a very
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  Speaker 1: difficult place to reach. Robert & Company is a must-listen
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  Speaker 1: to anyone who wants to know how their team did
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, how they stack up against the division conference
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  Speaker 1: and the NFL as a whole. They're very bullish on
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars these days, so it made sense to spend
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of minutes and get the big picture on
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  Speaker 1: where the Jaguars stand as they begin the London stretch
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  Speaker 1: of the schedule.
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  Speaker 5: Your show is so.
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  Speaker 1: Distinct because you guys cover such depth on every roster,
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  Speaker 1: but not just depth. You bring the numbers behind it.
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• 14:38
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• 14:41
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• 14:43
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  Speaker 5: Maybe not explicitly. Maybe not explicitly.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we ever thought of it that specifically,
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: where it was like, we're going to do a show
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• 14:56
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• 15:03
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  Speaker 6: talk about something. Like, I don't, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 6: ever been any formula drawn up on a board where
• 15:23
  Speaker 6: it's like, it has to include this many stats.
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: It has to include this.
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: I think it's more just how do we feel like
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: we are helping the audience the best way that we can.
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: And I think that the numbers are a way to
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: do that. Like rooting it in something that's really tangible
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: and concrete as a way to help understand what you're watching.
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: I think that's what it comes down to for me.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: Like I, I don't, I'm not a football expert in
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: the way that some other people are like, I can't
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: watch a football game and understand every concept and every
• 15:54
  Speaker 6: term and know exactly like what the, the nuts and
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: bolts of every single play are. But I think I
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: know enough, hopefully to be able to watch it and
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: help give context to listeners about what they're watching. And
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: I do think that in a way is what we're
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: trying to do, right? I mean, when you're an NFL fan,
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: you don't have all day, every day to go look,
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: to look at these numbers, to go back and rewatch
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: the film, all of that stuff. You're watching your team
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: on Sunday. It's an incredibly complicated sport. Your team is
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: making you feel a certain way. I want to try
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: to help you understand why your team is making you
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: feel that way. And I think that comes from certain
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: nuts and bolts, X's and O's things. I think it
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: comes with like the stats that are behind that. It's like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: there's so much to untangle when you're watching an NFL game.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: How can I better help you understand and help untangle
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: that stuff for you so you can connect why you're
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: feeling a certain way watching a team and why that
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: team is making you feel that way?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Whether you intend to or not, your formula is an
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: outrageous success because you do. And not only do I
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: know about the team that I happen to cover, but
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I have learned listening to you guys in depth about
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: the other teams in the NFC that I never see.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: You inform and you entertain. And I think that's a
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: difficult combination for some. You guys make it effortless, which
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: is why I was so excited to get you on.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. That truly
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: does mean a lot.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So tell me what you like about this Jacksonville team
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: a month into the season. I recall the preseason show
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: about your table of contenders and the Jags were in
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the conversation to have a seat at the table, but
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: they didn't quite make it. Here they are a month
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: in and you've given them a seat at the table
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: as you guys do through the course of the season. Why?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: What have you seen? What do you like about this
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: team so far?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not really an exaggeration. We had a
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: long segment on the Jags on the show that's going
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: to run tomorrow. And I think it really is like
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: everything that they're doing. They're in the conversation right now
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: for just my favorite team to watch and study in
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: the league. And I think part of the reason we
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: were maybe a little bit hesitant about just throwing them
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: on there is that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: This all feels very new.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: We were trying to find an analogous case about for
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: the 2026 Jaguars today and, and why we might've been
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: not skeptical, but why we maybe needed to see it
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: again in a way that you don't with some of
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: these other teams. And I can't remember a situation where
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: you had, it's actually kind of funny. They're the Raiders
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: are doing this exact same thing right now, but before
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: the Raiders did, I can't remember a situation where you have, okay.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Hotshot offensive play calling head coach who a guy who I,
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: was very excited to get the job.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I thought that a fantastic job in Tampa.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: I believe Liam Cohen is the truth, but then you
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: have a defensive coordinator that we've only seen do it
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: for a year, right? So some of these other guys
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: who came along and were just rocket ships right away
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: as offensive coaches, Sean McVay, for example, Wade Phillips was
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: his defensive coordinator. And so I just think that the
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: entire staff felt so fresh and we'd really, really only
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: had one year with them collectively that, I just wanted
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: to see them do it again before I believed that
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: what we saw in the second half of the season
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: was real. And then watching them over the first month
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: of the season, it's like, oh, it's undeniably real. Like
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: everything that they showed us last year, there's really no
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: reason to be skeptical of it anymore. And when you
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: watch the way they're coached offensively, the way they're coached defensively,
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: the improvements with some of the personnel that we've seen
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: from last year to this year, like I just think
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: that so many of the things they've done and so
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: many of the things they've been over the first month
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: of the season are to me, feels like you're checking
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: off the boxes for what a contender looks like.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting in Jacksonville, fans for so long
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: have hoped, even through the first couple of years of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Trevor's career, for them to reach this point. I'm not
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: sure they quite.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Believe it yet.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they went and looked at Cincinnati
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: last year. week and said, well, I don't know if
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: we can beat Cincinnati. I mean, it's the Bengals. They're
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a level above the Jaguars. Well, not anymore. And that's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: kind of the interesting part is that Jaguars fans are
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: being led to this water. They want it so badly,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: but they're a little bit hesitant to dip all the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: way in.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I completely understand that. I go through, I'm going through
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: the exact same process as, as a bears fan, where you,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: for years, you've looked at how the elite teams have
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: lived and you've been on the outside looking in. It
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: reminds me of, it's like the Squidward beam where he's
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: looking out at Patrick and SpongeBob dancing from his window.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Like that's what I felt in covering the league from
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: 2017 to last year in the world that we're under,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: like the McVeighification of what NFL football feels like, where
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: you have these coaches that, just feel like such difference
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: makers and having that guy at the front of what
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: you're doing gives you a chance every single Sunday because
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: of how well put together your offense is. I was
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: on the outside looking into that for a very long time.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: And so now having Ben Johnson in Chicago and you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: looking at the results over the last couple of weeks
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: and you're just like, Oh man, do we have one
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: of those guys? Like, is that, is that what's happening
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: right now? And I think that's what's happening in Jacksonville
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: as well is that there's now plenty of evidence over
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: the second half of last season and the first month
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: of this season where if you're a Jags fan, you're
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: not outside of the inner circle anymore. You have one
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: of those guys that I think has really shown you
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: that he is on a very short list of the
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: people that are that sort.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Of game changer.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: And when you combine that with a roster that has
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: a lot of talent, a quarterback that has a ton
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: of talent, a defense that is also holding up its
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: end of the bargain, there's just so much going on
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: that's really easy to be excited about.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You did a show two weeks ago about the lessons
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: of Trevor Lawrence and what he was teaching about quarterbacks
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and patience and time. So what are your thoughts on
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the level he's playing at? We're, we're talking down here.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Is he an MVP candidate? Has he risen to that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: elite level? Where do you see him headed to London
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: this week?
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he is.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: I think that there it's kind of a messy second
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: tier of quarterbacks. And that was a huge part of
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: that show is that outside of like the top, top
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: guys and, how you want to draw those lines is
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: up to you. I think it kind of changes every
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: single year, but in my opinion, you know, the top
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: three probably remain unchanged with some combination of Lamar, Josh Allen,
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes, and then.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Burroughs is like his own thing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I think that it's, he's his own thing in a
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: bunch of different ways because I can understand how, So
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: Mike Sando does his quarterback tiers every single year. And
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: part of the reason that Burrow is so consistently mentioned
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: as a tier one quarterback along with those other guys
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: is that for the most part, a lot of the
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: guys in tier two that rise and fall from season
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: to season seemingly, one of the reasons that they rise
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: and fall and one of the reasons that it's volatile
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: is that their circumstances and the construction of the offense,
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: they're sensitive to what those changes look like. Burrow's offense
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: doesn't really have a lot of the same buttressing elements
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: that some other teams have. The offense is constructed for
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: a borough where there's a ton on his shoulders. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: so he's like his own thing. I don't really know
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: what to make of him, but outside of that, it
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: all kind of changes from season to season based on
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: who's in the right situation, who has the right help.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: And I think that to me, the question, and one
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: of the things we talked about on that show was
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: if you're in that second tier of guys, and you're
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: one of those guys who makes 55 million dollars a year,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: I think the question teams should be asking themselves when
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: they're handing out those sorts of contracts is, if we
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: put the right infrastructure around this player, is he an
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: MVP caliber quarterback? And I think we've gotten a resounding
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: answer with Trevor Lawrence over the last 12-ish.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Games that yes.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: When you put him in the right circumstances, when you
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: have a Liam Cohen and a Parker Washington and the
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: requisite help at some of the other skill position players,
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: he can play at an MVP level. And I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: that's what you've seen from him so far.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: When you watch this team, what questions do you still have?
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: What reservations or hesitations or is there an area that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you think they've got to fix this if they're going
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to get where they want to go this year?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: I still want to see the run game over an
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: extended period of time. I think the early returns have
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: been very good. And one of the biggest questions I
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: had about them coming in was, was the offensive line
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: be good enough? Would the offensive line personnel be good enough?
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: And this is, again, one of those things that you
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: see from contending teams that really emerge over the course
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: of the year. They have to be slightly different and
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: slightly better in areas where you might not have expected it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: And a guy like Anton Harrison taking the step that
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: he has this year, Pregnant coming on in a way
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: that you might not have expected for a third-round pick,
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: the line is better. But now it's can they sustain
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: it over the course of the season? Can they run
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: the ball on their terms when we get into December
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: and January? Because eventually you're going to need to do
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: that to win a Super Bowl. So that's just time
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: on task and just a little bit more of a
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: run out from that group. the pass rush is still
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: one of those things where do you have enough, right?
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Do you, I think Armstead is playing as well as
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: he's played since he's been there, but I still think,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: you know, is that group, okay, do you have enough there?
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: And I, we did a show a couple of years
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: ago where we were going through the things you need
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: to win a super bowl. And one of the things
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: was essentially just a defensive lineman that can get five
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: pressures a game.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: They have that, right? Like Josh Heinz Allen is.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: That sort of player, but collectively it's, Do they have
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: enough up front to make that group felt over the
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: course of playoff games?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: So it's little things like that. Like it's nitpicky stuff.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: It's nothing.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: There are no big questions that I have about this team.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: It's more so just kind of the hyper specific sorts
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: of nitpicky questions that you ask about the other best
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: teams in the league. Like I think that's the place
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: that they've kind of arrived.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Two more questions for you. The first is, have you ever,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and in 33 years of doing this, I can't recall
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a week like the Eagles are having. where they've had injuries, retirements, trades.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it just, it's, I don't want to, bizarre
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: is probably too strong a word, but it's approaching that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: They are a mess all of a sudden. Have you
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: ever seen a week like this? What's your assessment of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: where they're at?
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: The reason I would say I haven't seen a week
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: like this is that the Eagles are such a unique situation, right?
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I mean, if you almost, let's look at, 31 other buildings.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: If you're in a spot like this where it feels
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: like your season is slipping away, you probably wouldn't trade
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: away a starting offensive lineman unless you were in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: total fire sale mode. But the Eagles, because of who
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Howie Roseman is, and he said this today about the trade,
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: when you can get value for that player that allows
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: you to be a good team over a multi-year period
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: that allows you to kind of restock and keep going.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: You have to make a trade like that. Well, he's
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: in a position where he can do stuff like that
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: because Howard Roseman isn't getting fired. And so I think
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: that is, it just speaks to that. This position that
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: they're in just speaks to the unique dynamics at play
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: in that building that wouldn't exist in a lot of
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: other buildings. Like they can trade away a starting offensive
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: lineman and, and credibly say, This isn't a fire sale.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: We're just doing this because it's the best move in
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: the moment because they're allowed to just always make the
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: best moves in the moment in ways that some other
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: front offices would be a little bit more driven by
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: optics or pressure or things like that in a way
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: that Howie Roseman just doesn't have to worry about.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: There are many teams that can do that. The Steelers
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: maybe could do that in their glory years, but not many.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: It's a position of strength, right?
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: And I think that it allows them to do things
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: because it's the best choice, not because they feel like
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: they have to, and not that many teams could do it.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's hunky-dory over there.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: What they're staring at over the next year or two
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: now on offense is unlike any position the Eagles have
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: faced in a very long time. Just think about how
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: far in advance they used to have some of these
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: succession plans along the offensive line. They always had contingencies
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: built into that group where we're going to draft Cam Juergens,
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: he's going to play guard for a year, and then
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: he's going to take over for Jason Kelsey. They're not
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: in that position anymore. It's much more fragile. They're going
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: to have to thread a needle. They're going to have
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: to rebuild that group on the fly next offseason in
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: a way that they typically don't have to.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: But I do think that what we saw.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: Today does speak to how different they're allowed to operate
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: how different it is the way that they're allowed to
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: operate compared to a lot of other NFL teams.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: They're operating from a position of strength while most people
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: would see it as perhaps a position of weakness then.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: Desperation, right?
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: Like most people would see it as a team kind
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: of floundering when in reality, I think that's a situation
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: where Howie gets that call from Eric DaCosta and he's like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: you want to give me what?
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah, I'm happy to do that.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Final thought, the AFC South. We'll see the Texans in,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, 10, 12 days. the second of two games
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in London, so we'll get a better look at that.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: But from your perspective right now, the Colts and the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Texans are just behind the Jaguars, a significant way behind
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars. How do you see this shaking out? At
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: one point, it looked like it was going to be
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a very competitive division.
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: I think the Colts are significantly behind the Jaguars. The Texans,
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: I think, at 0-1-4, I'm tempted to just write it off.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: I still think that there's enough there where they're going
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: to be relevant over the course of the rest of
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: the season. I don't think the defense is nearly as
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: bad as it looked on Sunday against the Cowboys.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: I think the offense has shown enough flashes.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: But I think right now, if you're the Jags, you
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: have to feel really good about being in the driver's
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: seat of that division. I think that the Texans, as
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: currently constructed, are at least a step down from the Jags.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I think the Colts are at least two steps down
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: from the Jags.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: And that isn't the situation we were in last year.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Like even if the Texans offense was struggling for a
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: good majority of last season, the defense was so good
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: that I think those teams were probably on a similar level.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: I think with how complete the Jags feel right now,
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: there is, there is a gap between them and the
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: Texans in a way that there really wasn't even last year.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Robert Mays, The Athletic Football Show, a must listen. Can't
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: wait to find you late in the evenings when we're
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: in London next week. Robert, thanks so much for your time.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. Happy to do it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to Trevor Lawrence. The quarterback, after all,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is always the big story. And this year, this quarterback
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: is bigger than most. There are a lot of voices
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: in and around the quarterback. And with Trevor, it's no different.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: There's the head coach, the offensive coordinator, the passing game coordinator,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: even the running game coordinator. It would be very easy
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to overlook the voice of Spencer Whipple. Trevor doesn't, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: neither should you. Trevor had a career year last year
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and was named an MVP candidate and comeback player of
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the year finalist with a franchise record 38 total touchdowns.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: He threw for over 4,000 yards and finished fifth in
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the NFL in passing touchdowns. He has flourished. during his
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: time with Spencer Whipple. So I went looking for Spencer
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: after practice this week for a little added insight into
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Lawrence and his tremendous start to the season. Before we
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: start on this year, tell me, because we didn't talk
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: since the end of last year, how far did Trevor
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: come in his first year with you and Liam in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: this offense? Was it a good jump, a big jump?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: How would you categorize it?
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: I think it was just a big process for him
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: and for everybody, too. Like, anytime you're coming to a
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: new system, there's going to be new things asked. And
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: he's played a lot of football. And for him, as
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: I said before, he came in with such an open
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: mind and wanting to grasp anything that.
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: Was new material.
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: And basically, hey, tell me what you think on each
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: and every play, each and every rep. Let me get
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: my footwork coordinated, all those things. And so I think
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: everybody saw that progression because it is a lot on
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: the front end that we ask of those guys. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: for him to be able to download all that information
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: and then execute at a high level like he did
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: through the course of the season and then take it
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: into this offseason and then continue to do that has
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: been super impressive.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So if that was a good jump, I mean, what
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: is the first month of the season? He's been playing
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: at such a high level. Is he exceeding expectations? Is
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: he meeting expectations?
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: The great thing about Trevor is why he loved being around,
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: why he loved working and coaching him.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Is he's always looking to improve.
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: So, you know, we just look to each and every
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: day to get in and get a little bit better. Like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: where can he improve? He's always asking, how can I
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: be cleaner on this footwork? How's this tempo look on
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: this route? How's this, how am I seeing this look defensively?
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: All those things.
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: So his goal in mind is just to get better
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: each and every day. And that's why you're seeing the
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: things that he's putting out on tape and the way
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: he's playing the game right now, because he's always trying
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: to get, take a step and get better.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Everybody's timeline is different. Some guys come right out of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the shoot. Some guys take a few years. I mean,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw didn't become the full-time guy until 1974.
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: It took time.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: So when you see where he's at right now, is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: there an appreciation for all the work that he took
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to get to where he's at?
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: And he's done that.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, he's played a lot of football in his
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: college career and professional career and just built upon that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: He's played on different systems. He's seen different defenses. He's
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: never stopped wanting to have that desire to keep improving
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: and keep learning and keep being curious is what's great
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: about him too. When he watches a clip, he'll maybe
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: mention something on defense that they're doing or something new
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: or some kind of blitz package that he's watched on tape.
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: He's always curious about what's coming next, how he can
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: be ahead of the defense in a lot of ways,
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: some tips that he can you know, play with to
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: be able to implement the offense a little bit cleaner
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: on Sunday.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: So that's what you're seeing from him.
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: He's, you know, playing in different systems, being around different coaches,
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: being in different environments, I think has helped him a lot.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: And he's always eager to keep working and keep improving.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And he gets a big test today, and you all do,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: against Vic Fangio. And that defense is known for being
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: confusing and complex. Are you excited about that opportunity?
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. I mean, they do a great job. And Vic
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: does a phenomenal job.
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: You can see all the, it's funny, we were talking
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: just yesterday, the last couple days, and Trevor and I
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: were talking about times he's played against Vic, but really,
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: you know, we've had all these coordinators that have worked
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: under him and now gone and been at other places.
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: You know, we just played Carolina in preseason camp, obviously
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: Coach Staley in New Orleans, all that had, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: their kind of time with Coach Fangio. So you've seen his,
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: you know, his defense and his defensive philosophy spread across
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: the league in different ways. And so, really looking forward
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: to the challenge that it's going to bring, and I
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: know Trevor and the rest of the team's excited, too.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: You're one of the last guys off the practice field
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: every day. You're working with Quinn Ewers to get him
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: up to speed. How's that process going, and what's the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: dynamic been like with Nick Mullins? I know you guys
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: wanted to keep him around for his prodigious understanding of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. Nick's been phenomenal.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: He's the best. I mean, that's All the guys in
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: the room are great people, great workers. They approach the
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: game the right way. They're all trying to get better
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: each and every day. They're all supportive of each other,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: and that's all you can ask for a group of
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: quarterbacks in there to do that, to support Trevor and
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: at the same time keep working and improving their role
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: and their job that they need to do. And Quinn's
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: doing a great job putting in the work and trying
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: to get himself ready to always be ready, and that's
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: how the rest of the guys have handled it too.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter where you're at in position as long
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: as you're preparing each and every day like you could play.
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: That's what we're asking them. That's what they're delivering each
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: and every week.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So let's end on this. How do you define an
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: elite quarterback? And the reason I ask is the conversation
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: out there in the internet world is, is Trevor elite?
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Is he an MVP candidate? And I know you can't
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: concur with those things, but you know what it looks
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: like to play at an elite level, to have an
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: MVP candidate. Is that what you've got? Is that what
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: we've got in Jacksonville?
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: I think he's a special guy.
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: And I think that, you know, coming here after all
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: he's done, prior to this and who he is as
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: a player and a person he's a special person to
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: work with and I think what you're seeing and everybody's
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: seeing is the work that he's put in all the
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: time and effort that he's put in to keep improving
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: and keep showing up every day with that true desire
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: to how can I take the next step and I
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: and you know we want to keep building and keep
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: showing what he can do and what the offense and
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: the team can do and that's what he's most focused
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: on as well you know it's all about how can
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: the offense get better whenever you ask him In the
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: course of the game, he'll mention the things he needs
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: to improve, and he'll mention the things the offense needs
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: to improve. Just a phenomenal guy to work with. We're
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: all eager to keep growing and keep improving, and that's
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: what his focus is on. But he's an extremely special
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: guy to work with, that's for sure.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Let me sneak one more in. about to get on
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: an airplane as we talk and get over to London
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: do you enjoy that experience I mean 10 days over
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: there two games a lot of time with the players
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: together is it something you look forward to or is
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: it something you just work your way through.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: I think it's a it's a time too for us
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: to be together and it's a time for um us
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: at the end of the day what Liam mentioned to
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: the team is hey we're you know it's where we
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: got to approach this it's a game week you know
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: what I mean we're going over for for a period
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: of time we've been over there last year and The focus,
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: you know, keep your mind on your routine and what
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: Wednesday brings, what Thursday brings, and which Friday, Saturday, all
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: the way into Sunday. Keep that the main focus and
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: the main thing, the main thing. And I know the
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: guys are focused and eager to play the game on Sunday.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Fred Taylor will be in London to watch the Jaguars
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: play the Eagles at Tottenham. And he's sticking around to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: see the Texans the following Sunday at Wembley Stadium. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: always enjoy catching up with Fred because he has a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: strong opinion on almost everything related to the Jaguars and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: pro football, and because oftentimes it's not what you'd expect.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: If you've watched The Pivot, his highly successful podcast collaboration
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: with a few other former players and guests from around
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the world of sports and society and even politics, you
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. But as busy as he is,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and he is always on the move, He makes time
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: to work with us because he wants to stay connected
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to the team that he helped build for 11 seasons.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: We talked about the penalties from Cincinnati.
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Who hasn't?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And the 3-1 start to the season, what's happening in Philadelphia,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and even got his thoughts on the AFC South. But
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: we started with a topic of conversation that is quietly
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: building to a crescendo as a second-year sensation is becoming
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a star.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: Fred, as the.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Jaguars head to London, we're 25% of the way through
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the season. Trevor Lawrence has given us a body of work.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: What do you like most about what you've seen from
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: him so far? And most importantly, what do you want
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to see from him going forward, especially this two-game stretch
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: in London?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: What I like is he's not turning the ball over,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: and they're winning the game. Quarterbacks are judged mostly on
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: their win-loss ratios. They want to be able to finish
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the game with wins. You know, I know he hasn't
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: had many 200-yard passing games this year. Who cares? If
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: we can protect the football, put points on the board,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: the stats doesn't always show, you know, how efficient the
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: play is from the quarterback. But he is making his throws.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You don't see a ton of overthrows. You're seeing more
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: drops than inaccurate throws, I believe. We see great decision-making.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: He's getting the ball out quick within the pocket, on
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: the run. He's making great decisions with the ball. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: I think that's what Coach Liam, I think that's what
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Coach Cohen wants from his quarterback position is to minimize
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the turnovers, make good decisions, and just put us in
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: position to win. As long as they walk away with
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: the win, no one's going to overly critique Trevor's performance.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Fred, I'd like to think that the Jaguars clean up
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the penalties from last week, but we've learned this week
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that after a month into the season, penalties are an
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: all-time high. Not just the Jaguars, every team in the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: league is experiencing a greater volume of flags, and it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: been costly. 17 touchdowns have been called back through the
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: first four weeks of the season because of penalties. At
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: this point last year, it was only five. Two years ago,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: it was only four. So the question is more about
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars cleaning up the penalties, but the subset is
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that penalties and flags are a big issue around the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: league right now.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so are the conspiracy theorists who believe their
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: touchdowns are either being called back. It's a huge... You know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: everywhere you look is gambling, gambling, gambling. It's all sorts
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: of stuff. And with that come the conspiracy theorists. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: if the refs are making a bad call, you breathe
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: more conspiracy theories. The calls that aren't called, that's the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: same thing. You put it in that bucket. I don't know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: If they're calling the calls or they're making the calls
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: and it's warranted, then that's totally fine with me. But
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: if these are phantom calls... where you can't see the penalty,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: that's another issue. And they're human. It's still early in
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: the season. They have to be able to clean up.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: They do. I do know that so much, the outcome
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: of the game is based on the refs and their calls.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: You look at the Dallas Ravens game, the yanking by
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: the offensive guys that created defensive pass interference. Those things
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: should never be called. There are a few other games
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: as well when those type things happen. But I try
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: and give them grace. You don't want to see it happen.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: They are at an all-time high. I'm sure the league
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: sent all of the refs and their crews memos this week.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I can guarantee you that. That says, look, let them play.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Call it when it's there. But if there's a gray area,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: try not to call it. Because if it can go
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: either way, leave it alone. Let the guys play. We
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: still want it to be a physical game. for as
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: much rules changes have happened over the years, we still
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: need that physicality in it. So don't affect the outcome
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: of the game.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I have three more for you. Earlier this week, Jeff
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Loggaman said that he thought Travis Hunter flashed all pro
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: potential as a cornerback against the Bengals. The things that
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: he saw told him that Travis's upside, that Travis's ceiling
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: is so high. What did you see from the second-year cornerback?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: What I see is you can see that he's developing this.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: The game is slowing down. This comfort level is starting
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: to develop. His awareness and his eyes, how he's able
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: to see the entire field is expanding. And naturally, Brian,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: that comes with repetition. I think a week ago or
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: two weeks ago on our Pivot Sports show in the podcast,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: what I said was when talent merges with repetition, it
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: turns into experience. That eventually turns into greatness. And a
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: year ago, Travis only played 116 total snaps on defense
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: over the seven games that he was dressed. That's under
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: 23 snaps or so per game. This year, he's doubled
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: that output. And they've given him an increase of reps
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: each and every game. First game, I believe, was 30-something,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: then 40-something, then 50-something last week. We're in the 70s.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: in the 70 play range. And the more he's out there,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: the more he can see, the more reps he's getting.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: You can see that he's flashing that all-pro-like ability. Still
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: early to say whether he's an all-pro or not, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: as long as he gets the repetition, he'll flash that
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: and he's going to show why they took him second overall.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I know that we're talking Eagles today, and it's all
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: about the Eagles, but when you look at this two-game stretch,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you get an Eagles team that we've said is in
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a difficult spot, and a Texans team that's very, very talented,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but still in a difficult spot. It would seem like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: these two weeks would be very important for the Jaguars.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: They come home to the bye, after the bye, they
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: get a home game against the Colts. The Jaguars are
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in a nice position to put themselves way ahead in
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: terms of the contender status. in early November if they
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: take care of business?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you just said it. They have to take care
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: of business. They have to go out there, again, not
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: worry about who's available for the other team or not.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: They have to play Jaguars football. It's always been about
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars, and it's going to have to always be
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: about the Jaguars. Respect your opponent, but take each approach
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: knowing that we have a really good team, We have
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: to trust each player in the locker room that they're
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: going to show up, prepare, focus, and do their job
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: as they've done to start the season. And, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: you take it as it comes. I would always say
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: our mantra on the show is accept. They have to
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: accept what they've earned, adjust, whatever that looks like, and
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: move forward. You know, you can't hang your hat on
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: what's happened in the past. I think they've shown a
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: great deal of poised coming out of the Denver game
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: by accepting that loss. They made their adjustments. I believe
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: they've moved forward. Now they have to deal with the Eagles,
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: week one London, and then they have to play a
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Texas team, a Texans team that hasn't been great. A
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: year ago, they started 0-3, and they ran off 12
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: games and eventually found their way in the playoff. I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: pretty sure they're confident they can do the same thing.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: So first things first, Brian, got to handle this Eagles team,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: and then You know, whatever happens with the Texans team
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: down the road the week after, when that game is ready,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: they got to go out and approach that the same way.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Let's end on this then. A lot of love out
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: there for the Jaguars right now. The way that they've
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: gotten to 3-1, the things that they're showing, the way
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the quarterback's playing, the way the defense is taking the
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: ball away. They lead the league in interceptions. They have
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: plus six in takeaway margin. I mean, we just go
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: on and on about the numbers. Is it warranted, Fred?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Do you see a team... that is among the league's best,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: or do you see something else?
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I think you can, you know, give them credit when
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: credit's due. I think they've earned that. They've earned to
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: be in these conversations. You know, I don't even want
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: to say years past, but, you know, it can easily turn.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: We saw it a year, not a year ago, but
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I believe in Coach Peterson's last year. I think they
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: started off well, and then they ran off a ton
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: of losses, or maybe that was his second to last year.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: But either case, they've earned to be in these conversations.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: What they have to understand is it's a long season.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are 13 more opportunities in the regular season,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: which means they have to stay focused for at least
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: another 14 weeks. That's including the bye in this game
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: as well. But, you know, don't get too high. Don't
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  Speaker 4: get too low. Understand that anything can happen in the NFL. Again,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about the Eagles. They're a team that's missing
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  Speaker 4: a lot of stars, a lot of injuries, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of adversity right now in the face of what they
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  Speaker 4: have to deal with. And again, nobody cares. Nobody cares
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  Speaker 4: what your problems are. They just care that you have them, right?
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  Speaker 4: They're excited that you have them. And that can go
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  Speaker 4: for any team at any given time in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: So there you have it. A few good minutes with
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  Speaker 1: a few good men and women to get you ready
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  Speaker 1: for the Jaguars and Eagles on Sunday at Tottenham Stadium
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  Speaker 1: in London. Thanks for dialing us up, and we'd love
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  Speaker 1: to have you join us for the Publix Tailgate Show
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  Speaker 1: ahead of our broadcast. We'll get started at 6.30 on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday morning. Not to worry, it's 11.30 in London. So really,
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  Speaker 1: the hard work of getting up is on you.
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  Speaker 5: Talk to you on Sunday.