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The Pimlico Mystery: Chloroform, Secrets, and a Victorian Acquittal · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: In this week's episode is a long one. Full disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: There were some sources that I ended up not using
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  Speaker 1: because they were so intensive. I skimmed them. But I
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  Speaker 3: Are you gonna include them so our listeners can dive deep.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am going to include links to all
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  Speaker 1: All right. We will be discussing the Pimlico mystery. Oh
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  Speaker 1: mm hmm, I think I'm saying that right. Let's let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see, right, what is happening Pimlico. Pimlico. That sounds better, Pimlico.
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  Speaker 3: So it's one word, not too Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The Pimlico mystery. It's a town. It's the name of
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  Speaker 1: the city, all right. Information was pulled from the following sources.
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  Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two Historic Mysteries article by Lauren Dillon,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Mayfair Times blog post, twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: Providentia blog posts by doctor Vitelli, twenty fifteen, Strange Tales
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  Speaker 1: blog post by Sarah Hapgood, nineteen twenty six, Sunday Mercury article,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, Sunday Dispatch article by Philip Curtin eighteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 1: Auckland Evening Star eighteen eighty six, The Bristol Mercury and
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  Speaker 1: Daily Post, Western Countries and South Wales Advertiser eighteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 1: Cambridge Weekly News eighteen eighty six, The Hampshire Advertiser eighteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty six, The Leeds Mercury eighteen eighty six, Lloyd's Weekly
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  Speaker 1: Newspaper eighteen eighty six, The North Star eighteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 1: The Times. See a as Pree blog post historic UK
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  Speaker 1: article by Ben Johnson, Kent Maps online article trial transcripts
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  Speaker 1: that I will not spoil like I did last time.
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  Speaker 1: And Wikipedia, dang, that's thorough yep.
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  Speaker 3: I think I know what year this happened too.
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  Speaker 1: You know it was a good year.
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  Speaker 3: Context clues. I think I might have an idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, slight spoilers. Thank you to Kiri Inn for her
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  Speaker 1: research assistance on this episode, and the show notes will
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  Speaker 1: include links to all of the articles that were used
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  Speaker 1: to write this episode. Now. The key players in this
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  Speaker 1: story are Thomas Edwin Bartlett who went by Edwin interesting
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  Speaker 1: Wesleyan Minister, George Dyson not to be with the vacuum guy.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm familiar with this a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit, maybe heard of this.
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  Speaker 3: I think I might have heard of this, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And Adelaide du La tremoil de fura descrie. That was
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  Speaker 1: French and dem best that was the name. Yeah. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: Thomas so the main slash. Edwin was born on October sixteenth,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen forty five and would become a wealthy grocer from
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  Speaker 1: a very proper and close knit English family. He had
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  Speaker 1: six shops and conducted business at Herne Hill with his partner,
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  Speaker 1: mister Baxter.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, he was known as.
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  Speaker 1: A hypochondriac with a delicate constitution, at times believing he
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  Speaker 1: had dysentery and suffered from mercury poisoning. Spoiler alert, he had.
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  Speaker 3: Neither right because he would be dead.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but to media picture to paint, okay, picture of
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  Speaker 1: who this man is. I don't know why I'm using
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  Speaker 1: these hand motions, but I am here for it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So he but he wasn't like working in the
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  Speaker 3: grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: Right he owned and managed six.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, because I was like, I was like, there's
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  Speaker 3: no way he's like manning a store. No, and being
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  Speaker 3: afraid of in a hypochondriac. There's just no way.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, he runs the thing, he runs things.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, just feed the little.
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  Speaker 1: People, you do you, mister Baxter, and bring me money yep. Adelaide,
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  Speaker 1: the daughter of Clara Chamberlain and Adolphus Kulo de Fura Discuri,
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  Speaker 1: was born in Orlan, France in eighteen fifty five. She
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  Speaker 1: was one of four children, having an older brother named
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  Speaker 1: Henry Edward, who was born in eighteen fifty three, and
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  Speaker 1: two younger siblings, Frederic born in eighteen fifty eight and
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  Speaker 1: her sister, Clara Amelia, who was born in eighteen fifty nine.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Edwin Bartlett and Adelaide were married on April seventh,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen seventy five, at Saint John's Church in Croydon, when
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  Speaker 1: Edwin was thirty and Adelaide was twenty.
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  Speaker 3: So kind a typical age gap at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, pretty common.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Their unusual union resulted from an arranged marriage by Adelaide's father,
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  Speaker 1: who was never publicly named. So even though like I
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  Speaker 1: listed a dad, it may or may not be her dad.
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  Speaker 3: Mmmm so maybe well, I mean during that time, people
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  Speaker 3: died constantly, so she might have had like a welster
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  Speaker 3: adoptive situation, maybe like an.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it was rumored that her dad was a nobleman.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so she was.
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  Speaker 2: Like a mistress kid maybe maybe Okay, as a result,
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  Speaker 2: neither here nor there, Adelaide came with a rather sizeable dowry,
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  Speaker 2: and her father hoped this marriage would ensure his daughter
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  Speaker 2: a proper place in English society because she may or
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  Speaker 2: may not have been a bit of a bastard.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a way of getting close to his
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  Speaker 3: daughter without kind of shaming any of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll go with that. One of the stipulations of
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  Speaker 1: their union was that Edwin must ensure that Adelaide finished
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  Speaker 1: her education. So for the first two years of their marriage,
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  Speaker 1: remember she was nineteen slash twenty when they got married,
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  Speaker 1: Adelaide was shipped off to a convent in Belgium to
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  Speaker 1: finish her education.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, so definitely a nobleman or something, because like
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  Speaker 3: nobody just goes to a convent to be educated as
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  Speaker 3: a woman like that. That's like being shipped off to
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  Speaker 3: a real nice college and.
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  Speaker 1: Not not having to worry about any monies. M M,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. Everyone was a fan of Adelaide, including Edwin's father,
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  Speaker 1: Edwin Senior, and according to Adelaide, her marriage to Edwin
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  Speaker 1: was platonic and her only pregnancy was the result of
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  Speaker 1: a single act of quote unquote unprotected coitus after much
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  Speaker 1: begging on her part for a child. She really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to have kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. I mean, if he's a hypochondriac
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, it would make sense that he would be
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  Speaker 3: less inclined to be more like physically intimate. Sure, potentially,
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: She gave birth to a stillborn baby in November of
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  Speaker 1: eighteen eighty one. The pregnancy had been challenging, and Edwin
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  Speaker 1: refused to allow a male doctor to assist her during
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  Speaker 1: her pregnancy and the labor because he didn't want another
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  Speaker 1: man near her.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: A midwife, Annie Walker, who had been present at the birth,
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  Speaker 1: confirmed this point, and although she had begged him to reconsider,
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  Speaker 1: he firmly refused and understandably, the death devastated Adelaide, and
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  Speaker 1: the couple never again tried for another child. That's too bad,
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  Speaker 1: she was like, I can't go through that again. So
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  Speaker 1: in early eighteen eighty five, So four years later, the
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  Speaker 1: couple met minister George Dyson, who would become a frequent
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  Speaker 1: visitor to their two room flat at eighty five at
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  Speaker 1: Claverton Street, Pimlico, London. So it's like a little hamlet
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  Speaker 1: of London.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He would soon become the couple's spiritual advisor and close friend.
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  Speaker 1: He was described as quote a young man of medium
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  Speaker 1: height with dark hair, heavy mustache and close cut whiskers
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  Speaker 1: end quote. M Minister Dyson was a graduate of Trinity
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  Speaker 1: College in Dublin, the son of a Wesleyan minister at
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  Speaker 1: Ghoul and placed in charge of a Wesleyan chapel in Merton,
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  Speaker 1: which is where the Bartlets met him, because they went
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  Speaker 1: to that chapel, got it. Minister Dyson and the Bartlets
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  Speaker 1: would form a rather unique relationship. Edwin, for reasons only
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  Speaker 1: known to him, encourage the minister and his wife to
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  Speaker 1: have an open romantic relationship with his blessing in trusting
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  Speaker 1: adelaide to Minister Dyson if he should pass away. What h.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Edwin also believed that he should have two wives
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  Speaker 1: to serve two purposes, one for work and one for companionship.
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  Speaker 3: So just to kind of work work is in like
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  Speaker 3: keeping up appearances.
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  Speaker 1: Work as in like keeping house, like doing the work
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  Speaker 1: of a wife, and the other one is like for
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  Speaker 1: sexy times.
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  Speaker 3: Got it, got it, got it?
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  Speaker 1: So it can't be the same, separate but equal it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not probably.
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  Speaker 1: Adelaide later admitted to her and minister Dyson's unusual relationship
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  Speaker 1: and Edwin's part in it. Quote he requested us in
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  Speaker 1: his presence to kiss, and he seemed to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: He had given me to mister Dyson. End quote.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm okay, all right, I mean this is this.
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  Speaker 1: Is a Victorian era.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows that's really funny? How scandalous this is for them?
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it would still be pretty scandalous
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  Speaker 3: for a minister to do this and have it be
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  Speaker 3: in the papers right now too. Yeah, it wouldn't be great.
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  Speaker 1: No, Minister Dyson would often be seen entering the home
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning and staying late into the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: He even kept his coat and slippers at the Bartlett
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  Speaker 1: home and would join them on vacations.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a relationship.
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  Speaker 1: My friend Edwin just minister Dyson a season railway ticket
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  Speaker 1: so that he could quote unquote Tutor Adelaide.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy, okay, this is just getting real. G see.
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  Speaker 1: All right, okay, this teacher student relationship didn't fool the
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  Speaker 1: bart What's made who would often catch the pair in
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  Speaker 1: positions that were certainly uncommon for such an academic education.
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  Speaker 3: One might say hands on from the sounds of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very hands on. There you go, mainly studying biology,
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  Speaker 1: dedicated dedicated to the sciences of yes, the body and
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  Speaker 1: the mind.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting mm hmm for a man of faith, but okay, And.
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  Speaker 1: For Edwin he seemed pretty serious about this, as he
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  Speaker 1: went so far as to redraw his will on September third,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen eighty five, making minister Dyson the executor of his will,
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  Speaker 1: stating that Adelaide could only claim his estate if she
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  Speaker 1: married minister Dyson.
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  Speaker 3: First, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And before this, his will had stipulated that Adelaide
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  Speaker 1: could only claim the entirety of his estate on the
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  Speaker 1: condition that she remained a widow for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: her life.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at least she had an option.
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  Speaker 1: Now now she can have a companion, I guess. Edwin
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  Speaker 1: became deathly ill at the start of December of eighteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty five, so Adelaide sent for a local doctor, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Alfred Leitch, who came to see Edwin at the Bartlett home.
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  Speaker 3: Immediately suspicious, How did he get so sick so soon
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  Speaker 3: after his will change?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And fun fact, doctor Leech is a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a question.
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  Speaker 3: So great perfect, Yes, just what the story needs exactly.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: As his illness progressed, doctor Dudley was called in on
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  Speaker 1: December nineteenth to provide a second opinion on Edwin's symptoms
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  Speaker 1: and prognosis, which is good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a real doctor, it's really sick.
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  Speaker 1: Asking for a friend.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's also been stated in some places that Edwin may
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  Speaker 1: have been suffering from tapeworms, which isn't outside the realm
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  Speaker 1: of possibility, considering the couple bred Saint Bernard's which they
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  Speaker 1: would regularly treat for worms.
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  Speaker 3: Well and he I mean London at this time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was disgusting, like if we get a tapeworm from
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  Speaker 3: just about anything back then. Yeah, didn't have to real
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  Speaker 3: hard to get one.
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  Speaker 1: Now. At Edwin's insistence, doctor Leech reluctantly agreed to prescribe
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  Speaker 1: him chloroform. Yeah, this story is a wild one for
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  Speaker 1: sep No. At this time in history, you had to
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  Speaker 1: sign a chemist's book at the pharmacy to provide a
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  Speaker 1: record when purchasing medical poisons, which chloroform was considered to be. However,
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  Speaker 1: this law only applies when purchasing large doses. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: come back to that later, great great so Edwin's illness
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  Speaker 1: was exacerbated by a dental disaster that he had suffered
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  Speaker 1: a decade earlier. In eighteen seventy five. Edwin back then
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  Speaker 1: had gone to the dentist, excuse me to get dentures,
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  Speaker 1: but in instead of pulling all his teeth, the dentist
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  Speaker 1: sawed them down to the gums.
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  Speaker 3: No, he did not.
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  Speaker 1: This caused the stumps and roots to rot, which caused
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  Speaker 1: him excruciating pain from that point forward for a decade.
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  Speaker 1: For yeah, a decade he lived like that. And given
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  Speaker 1: the time and even today, the extent of his dental
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  Speaker 1: disease could have proved fatal. And it's likely his teeth
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  Speaker 1: and jaw were riddled with infection.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: When Edwin's father came to visit his son, kind of
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  Speaker 1: learning of his poor health in the middle of December,
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  Speaker 1: Adelaide refused him entry.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you looked real miserable at that point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: if not already dead.
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  Speaker 1: Potentially well. On December twenty fourth, so Christmas Eve, perfect timing.
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  Speaker 1: Following a checkup by doctor Leach, Edwin was told that
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  Speaker 1: his health had greatly improved, and the doctor was confident
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  Speaker 1: that he wouldn't need any more medical intervention. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: this was substantiated because Edwin traveled to the seaside, he
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  Speaker 1: went for a drive, and each day his health seemed
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  Speaker 1: to improve, so things were looking up like even his
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  Speaker 1: the landlady and his landlord agreed that his health seemed
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  Speaker 1: to have improved, improved greatly.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, crazy, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Leach accompanied Edwin and Adelaide to Edwin's dentist on
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  Speaker 1: December thirtieth, where the couple were quite affectionate with each other.
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  Speaker 1: In several articles that it noted very saply that Adelaide
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  Speaker 1: has said that she wished that they could get a
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  Speaker 1: so that they could have the enjoy the joys of
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  Speaker 1: getting married all over again. Something to that effect.
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  Speaker 3: Grouse. Yeah, there were no such thing as EO of
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  Speaker 3: vow renewals.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The following evening, the couple had a hearty dinner,
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  Speaker 1: and Edwin asked their landlady, missus Doggett, if she could
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  Speaker 1: prepare a large breakfast for him tomorrow, saying, quote, he
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  Speaker 1: should get up an hour earlier at the thought of
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  Speaker 1: having it end quote, So he was. He had gotten
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  Speaker 1: his appetite back. He was excitedly again and then the
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  Speaker 1: copper the cupper. The couple would later retire to bed
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  Speaker 1: all right. Early on January first, eighteen eighty six, Adelaide
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  Speaker 1: shook the family made awake, telling her to call the
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  Speaker 1: doctor immediately. Edwin's father was also called for Following this,
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  Speaker 1: Adelaide ran upstairs to get her landlord mister Frederick Thomas Doggett, saying, quote,
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  Speaker 1: come down, I think mister Bartlett is dead end quote
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  Speaker 1: no great.
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  Speaker 3: Not a good way to start the new year.
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  Speaker 1: No. Adelaide had woken that morning to discover her husband
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  Speaker 1: face down on the bed and unresponsive.
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  Speaker 3: Ew.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. She would later go on to say that, in
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  Speaker 1: an attempt to revive him, she had turned him on
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  Speaker 1: his back and poured a pint of brandy down his throat.
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  Speaker 1: What Yep. However, her efforts were for naught. He was
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  Speaker 1: already dead at the age of forty one.
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  Speaker 3: There's so many things wrong with that. A pint of
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  Speaker 3: hard alcohol mm hmm to revive him, yep, just like
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  Speaker 3: it splash a cold water smack to the face. You're
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  Speaker 3: just gonna pour a bunch of brandy down in dead
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  Speaker 3: man's throughout.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently it's something that he would have at like a
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  Speaker 1: snifter of brandy before ben, So that was like right there.
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  Speaker 3: So he drank a pint of brandy at night.
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  Speaker 1: No, a sniffer like so like like you know, like
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  Speaker 1: a shot glass, but the brandy was there.
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  Speaker 3: Took Yeah, she just took the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she probably just grabbed it and like was you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know how. So mister Doggett would recall that
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Adelaide stated, quote, I had fallen off to sleep with
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: my hand around his foot because she hadn't actually been
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: sleeping in bed with him. She had been sleeping in
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a chair next to the bed, kind of at his feet. Interesting,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And I awoke with the pain in my arm and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: found him laying him lying on his face. I put
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: him in the position in which he now is and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: tried to pour brandy down his throat end quote now
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Edwin's father, who later came after viewing his son's body,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: stated that he believed he had been poisoned using prussic acid.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Who and witnesses who entered the room, such as the
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: landlady Missus Dockett, described the room as smelling strongly of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: chloric ether.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Reason for the brandy to be poured.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Everywhere, So Edwin's father demanded that an autopsy be performed,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: which was granted following an inquest.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, I bet it was. I mean, just
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: all that alone, having that in the same room, you
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: want something to happen.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: He immediately suspected that Adelaide had something to do with
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: his son's death, especially after he'd accused her of cheating
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: on her husband with his younger son, Frederick.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: War This is a new player in the game.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Yep. I couldn't find out much about that, but that allegation.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He had said that like early on in Edwin's marriage
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to her, and Edwin was like, not cool, dad, you
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: need to send her a letter and apologize and actually
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: mean it. So then he did write her a letter
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like saying, I'm sorry I slandered you. That wasn't cool.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't think you're an adulteress. But at
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: one point, now that he's dead, he's like he did
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: think she was.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Also, the timing was also very convenient, as Edwin had
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: recently passed an insurance examination which insured him for four
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: hundred pounds or around forty four thousand, two hundred and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: eighty six pounds today.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, it's not a lot of money though, considering
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: like how much he was worth alive.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So the post mortem was conducted by doctor
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Green of charing Cross Hospital, doctor Murray, doctor Dudley, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: doctor Cheen on January second, so the following day. At first,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: everything appeared normal. His organs looked great, his heart, his liver,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: all that stuff classic poisoning, at least until they opened
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: his stomach and discovered it was full of a leafful
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: dose of chloroform m between eight and nine drops or
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: four ounces, which is one hundred and thirteen point four
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: grams depending on who you reference. Okay, Sir Thomas Stevenson
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: confirmed this and that it was the only poison present
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in his system, following an analysis that was conducted on
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: January eleventh. So like a medical analysis of the contents
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of his stomach.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they did the alcohol to try to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: burn it, or just try to kill the chloroform hayde
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the smell or something.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So the reason his manner of death was so peculiar
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: is that his body didn't present any of the tailtale
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: signs of chloroform poisoning. Chloroform is caustic and will damage
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: any soft tissue it comes into contact with. In this case,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: if he had ingested it, there would be chemical burns
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on his throat and larynx, but there weren't.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: It was in the brandy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Also, there was no chloroform in the Bartlet home when
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it was searched. None at all.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Chloroform.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Tapeworms soaked in chloroform? No, no, no, no no.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: The newest diet graze.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Adelaide would go on to admit that yes, she had
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: had chloroform, but she had not killed her husband. Also,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: she had not purchased the chloroform. She had asked Minister
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Dyson to pick up some for her on December twenty
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: seventh so she could rub it on Edwin's gums to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: ease his toothpain.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Hmmm that's the reason.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Minister Dyson had honored Adelaide's request and provided her
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: with four ounces orero point one kilograms of chloroform. Now,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: remember how I said you only had to sign the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: chemist book at the pharmacy for large doses. Minister Dyson
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: skirted this by purchasing four small bottles of chloroform in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: various shops, claiming he needed it to remove grease stains.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: How did they find all this out?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Well, police, particularly mister A. Braxton Hicks, which is a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: hilarious coincidence, by the way, what a name. Ye yeah, really,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: who led an inquest into the unusual death of Edwin.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: This was all the evidence they needed to charge Adelaide
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: with quote wilful murder end quote and the minister with
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: quote accessory before the fact end quote. Both were arrested,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: and Minister Dyson later admitted that he didn't realize how
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: suspicious his method of purchasing chloroform was at the time.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Sure, exactly, Oh that looks weird. That's crazy, that's crazy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Ah me, I love God, God doesn't kill, I don't kill.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just a Wesleyan minister.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Jesus saves and said, do I you.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Know Adelaide's trial at the Old Bailey started on April
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: twelfth of eighteen eighty six. It would be the first
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: murder trial regarding the alleged misuse of chloroform. Really, Yes,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that's crazy, mm hmm. The trial into the death of
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Edwin took a strange turn from the get go. See
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the charges against Minister Dyson were dismissed right away, leaving
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: him a free man. Who would go on to testify
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: against Adelaide during her trial as a prosecution witness.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: So he doesn't want the inheritance anymore, apparently because didn't
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: he have to marry her.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: To get I don't know. He just got like let
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: off and they were.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Like no, no, because he was the executor of the estate.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: So he gets to go.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Oh now, that's dirty man. Now, due to the law
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: of the time, Adelaide was not allowed to take the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: stand to provide her testimony and speak for herself at her.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Trial because she's a woman.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: This law wouldn't be changed until years later with the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: introduction of the Criminal Evidence Act of eighteen ninety.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Eight, because she was a criminal, yes, got it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So, as a result, her future hinged on the testimony
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of doctor Leech and her lawyer, Sir Edward Clark, who
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: worked to convince the jury that she was innocent of
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the crime.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I bet he worked hard.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And as was customary at the time,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Sir Charles Russell led the prosecution for
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the Crown. Now, during the trial, Adelaide's lawyer told the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: jury that in the eleven years that she and Edwin
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: had been married, the pair had been intimate only once.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So according to Adelaide, they had a platonic relationship and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: enjoyed zero in intimacy. But before his death, Edwin had
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: begun requesting his quote unquote marital rights to sex. In fact,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: following his death, no less than six condoms were found
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: in his pocket, which horrified court attendees because at this
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: time condoms were considered crude. And he also had in
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: his possession a quote marriage manual end quote, which contained
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: explicit references to sexuality and birth control, both of which
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: were considered pornographic in the Victorian era.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, and the condoms would have alluded to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: him not having sex with his wife.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So the presiding judge, Sir Alfred Wills noted
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the dangers of such a book in the hands of
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a woman and encourage the jury to pity Adelaide for
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: having to be subjected to such literature, let alone being
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: forced to read it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds pretty pretty ridiculous.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: M h. However, this also casts doubt upon her claims
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that her marriage was quote unquote platonic. The judge noted,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: quote when a young wife and a younger male friend
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: get discussing in or out of the presence of the husband,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the possibilities of his decease within measurable time, and of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the friend succeeding to the husband's place. According to all
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: experience of human life, the life of the husband was
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: one that an insurance office would not like to take
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: end quote out. So according to Adelaide and her and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: via her lawyer, because obviously she can't speak on her behalf,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: she had acquired the chloroform as a way to subdue
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: at when he attempted to force her into having relations.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: According to her, she had later to confessed to her
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: misdoings and turned over the bottle of chloroform to Edwin
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: out of guilt and atonement. So she she would use
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it on a rag and like kind of wave it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to give him a case of the vapors so he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: would pass out, so then she wouldn't so she so she.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Kept him sick steadily, just so she wouldn't have to
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: deal with him.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: That's what they're trying to allege, that she poisoned him
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: over time. So oh no, she.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Did it like every time.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So so this testimony offered one reason as to why
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: there was chloroform in the home, but not as to
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: whether this was the one that used and his death. Yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: so forensics wasn't as developed in eighteen eighty six as
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: it is now.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: What surprise, he was barely developed in the nineties. Let's
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: be in the nineteen nights.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But the trial hinged on how exactly liquid chloroform was
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: able to get into Edwin's stomach without burning his throat
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and larynx.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's crazy.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: How did it get there? So Adelaide's lawyer, he wasn't
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the best barrister in England for nothing, Like he was
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: like the best that money could buy.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Oh okay.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: He was able to put forth a strong case that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Edwin had taken his own life, stating that he had
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: believed he was terminally ill.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: What this Okay? Now I can see why all those
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: newspapers were watching this story. What is happening?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because because as we've pointed out, he's he was
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a hypochondriac, right, he was regularly sick, he had tapeworms,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he's got rotten teeth.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Like, there's just a lot of weird things.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: A lot of weird things. So a week after the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: trial began, after two hours of deliberation, the jury rendered
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: a verdict of not guilty.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what else are you to do? Like
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: if it would not guilty, you'd like have a mistrial like.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So, although the trial had been a long one, the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: prosecution could provide no solid proof, evidence or explanation as
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to how she poisoned her husband, and that reasonable doubt
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: led to her verdict in the court of law. So
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: following the reading of the verdict, cheers and applause rang
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: out inside the courtroom and outside because crowds of people
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: had come to watch what had become known throughout the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: country as the Pimlico poison mystery. Dang so, public opinion
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: seemed to flip overnight from viewing Adelaide as the young
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: murderess to Edwin as this villainous pervert. Essentially, woh, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that everyone thought she was free of guilt.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Right at the close of the trial, Sir James Pageant
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: or Peget, who was a well known surgeon, was quoted
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: as saying, quote, now that she's been acquitted for murder
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and can't be tried again, she should tell us, in
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the interest of science, how she did it. End quote damn.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: The Birmingham Daily Times published the following about Adelaide's acquittal. Quote.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Since missus Bartlett's committal, the correspondence which has been addressed
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to her at Newgate has been of an extensive and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: curious character. For the first week of her incarceration, anonymous
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: letters of abuse largely predominated, but latterly these have fallen
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: off and have given place to expressions of sympathy and condolence.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It is stated that during the last six days no
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: fewer than seventeen offers of marriage conditionally of course, on
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: her acquittal, have been directed through the post to the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: unfortunate woman, and that among the claimants are an ex MP,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a foreign marquis, a clergyman of the established church, and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: three members of the medical profession end quote.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that sounds about right, honestly.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. People are weird, man, doesn't matter what era you're from.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Following Adelaide's acquittal, three major theories emerged on how
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Edwin died.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Am Ready.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: One was that he had completed suicide, as was theorized
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and postulated during the trial. Okay, so, in this theory,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Edwin had heard the dentists say that his gum tissue
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: was necrotic as he removed his teeth or saw them off,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And given that the tooth pain before the procedure was
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: making him sleep deprived, delusional, and likely depressed, it wouldn't
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: be outside the realm of possibility that he would panic
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: when the term necrosis was mentioned.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially since he was already such a hypochondriac,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: And considering Edwin was sick for nearly a month, likely
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: an excruciating pain, and in a depressive state. The suicide
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: theory alleges that since he was under the impression he
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was already dying, he chose to go on his terms
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: rather than suffer longer. This could explain why there weren't
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: any chemical burns on his throat. If he drank it
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: of his own accord, he may have swallowed it so
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: fast that it didn't have time to do any caustic
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: damage on its way down, because if you're drinking normally,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you would just you know, take slow, leisurely SIPs, whereas
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: if he took it sort of like a shot, maybe
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: then it wouldn't have had enough time to do a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: lot of damage as it was going down his throat. Still,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: doctor Leech, his quack doctor who treated him in the past,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: proposes his theory regarding the idea of suicide. Okay, as
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: he noted in the Lancet, which was a medical journal,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: he believes that Edwin drank the chloroform not to end
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: his life, but to get back at Adelaide. And here's
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: what he proposed. So doctor Leach proposes that after Adelaide
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: confessed to Edwin that she had chloroform, she had confided
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to doctor Leach that she planned to use the vapors
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to subdue him so she could avoid having sex with him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: As we've already mentioned in the trial, when she confessed
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to her husband that she intended to use the chloroform
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: so she wouldn't have to have sex, Edwin simply rolled
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: over and refused to say anything. He did keep the bottle,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and doctor Leach theorized that Edwin drank the chloroform not
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to end his life, but to induce vomiting, forcing Adelaide
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: to take care of him.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, so it was just a he thinks it's just
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: a feeble attempt at attention.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, so he didn't think he did it to end
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: his life, but to gain sympathy and perhaps sway her
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: opinion on being intimate with him. I don't know. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: don't know how that kind of.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know how that would work.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: That seems like a bit of a stretch, But yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Who knows at this point though, Yeah, he seemed like
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: a kind of strange dude.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. The second most popular theory is that the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: whole thing was a mistake. As I mentioned before in
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: December of eighteen eighty five, Edwin frequently took medicine to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: combat his illness. This second theory alleges that at one
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: point he woke up to take his medicine, grabbed the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: wrong bottle and down to the chloroform before realizing too
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: late what he had done. Given how inflamed and rotten
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: his mouth was at the time, it's entirely possible that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: he couldn't have tasted the liquid or even noticed the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: burning sensation of ingesting it compared to the pain that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: he was already suffering.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Right or honestly too, if he thought if he just
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: grabbed blindly on his nightstand, expecting like the brandy mm hmm,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: the brandy would have burned, he wouldn't have noticed a difference.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, However, this theory doesn't seem to hold as much
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: weight given what the chloroform would have done to him.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been more sense. It would have
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: heard a lot more.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. If he had drunk the chloroform, he would
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: have been screaming in agony from the pain. And as
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: we heard during the trial, no screaming had been heard
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in the home the night that he passed away.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Right, because other people would have noticed. It wouldn't have
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: just been her.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have woken up to his screams, and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had a trial, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the third and final theory is that it was, in
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: fact the perfect murder, and here's how it could have
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: gone down. I feel like I'm kind of doing like
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the whole oj Simpson if I had done it type
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of thing. It kind of feels that way a little
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: bit yet, a little bit yeah, Yeah. So, as we know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Adelaide and Minister Dyson have already developed a close relationship
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: thanks in part to Edwin's intervention in the matter, and
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: she knew she would marry him if Edwin were to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: pass away, So why not kill two birds of one stone? Literally?
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: This theory alleges that Adelaide used the chloroform vapors to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: get Edwin to pass out, rendering him helpless. At this point,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: it speculated that she inserted a length of rubber tube
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: or something like it into Edwin's throat to pour the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: poison down it and into his stomach, preventing the caustic
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: substance from eating away at his throat on the way down.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: But wouldn't they have seen something, I like seeing a
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: damaged thing. Yeah.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Then once he confirmed dead, she used the same tube
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to pour brandy into his mouth to mask the smell
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: of the chloroform. Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I caught that immediately of like the brandy the alcohol
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: smell overwhelming the chloroform spell, or like trying to cover that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Up to this day, there has been no concrete evidence
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: linking Adelaide to the murder of Edwin. If he was murdered, I.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Feel like this should be an episode of MythBusters, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: how Diddictate in there.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it is also just as likely that he
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: passed away from the medicine he had been taking to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: treat his illness. One of the most common chemicals prescribed
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds to cure many maladies was mercury,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: which we now know to be highly toxic.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yep. So the problem.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Drinking chloroform wouldn't have caused instant death, but if you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: were given it over some time, mixed in with a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: drink or hidden in your food, it could have killed you.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that Adelaide had been mixing it into
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Edwin's nightly brandy snifter without him knowing.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was assuming, But like I
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: don't know, it is clarify. I would assume that they don't.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't blend.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know man, and the illness
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that Edwin was suffering from matched all of the symptoms
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: of chloroform toxicity diarrhea, drowsiness, stomach pains, and weakness. So
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: following her acquittal, Adelaide and Minister Dyson quickly vanished from
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: public notice.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I would not be anywhere near that man, No are you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I would be peacing out like deuces. Good day to you, sir.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: It's unclear if the pair went on to marry or
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: if they went their separate ways. There have been claims
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that Minister Dyson, who was twenty seven at the time
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of the trial, so he was three years younger than Adelaide.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Oh man that he emigrated to the United States in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine and changed his name to John Bernard Walker.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: There are also claims that he emigrated to Australia. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything else about what happened to Adelaide
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: after she was acquitted, of course not So what do
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you think did Adelaide get away with murder or was
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: it something else?
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I think it was probably both. I think from the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: sounds of it, it sounds like it was like a
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: slow poisoning over time, and then something happened that was
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: just kind of the last little bit. But to me,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: from the sounds of it, is she had she had
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: started poisoning him, and then she backpedaled in time for
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: him to be healthy enough for the insurance inspection, and
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: then when she was going to get him sick again,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: she fucked up and killed him. That's my thought, is
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: like she was already like the plan was already in
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: motion for a long time, and the only reason why
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: he got better was because they were going to try
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: to get more money. She needed him healthy for the
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: insurance appraisal, so that she could get the most money.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And then when she was like, Okay, well he got approved,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: everything's fine, I'll just start making him sick again one
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: little bit and she killed him.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of I feel the same, like it
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: was a case of like lunch housens by proxy kind of,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, she because the doctors that came to check
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: on him were always commented on what a good nurse
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and wife she was to take such good care of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: him and all this stuff, and she was just and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: she had this guy, this younger gentleman waiting in the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: wings for her husband to pass away, with her husband's blessing.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: So and with her husband's money. Yep.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like it was a case of, yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: she perhaps got a little too heavy handed with the chloroform.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And either that or after he got better, decided he
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: wanted to live again, like maybe he had interpreted his
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: miraculous recovery to some sort of miraculous second chance, And
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: so she knew she had to kill him because suddenly
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: he was wanting sex again, and he was wanting to
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: do more things, and her plan was quickly unraveling, So
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: she could have just like killed him out of panic.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: That then too of like he just needs to be dead,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: like yep, it just needs to be done yep. And
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: then what better way to do it than New Year's
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Eve for poisoning? I mean, it was all in all,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: whether she predicted it or not, just a good, good
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: old story.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Well. This week's podcast plug is Castles and Cryptids, a
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• 50:49
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• 50:59
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• 51:01
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• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Nice and this week's listener question comes from Carrie in no,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you wake up to find yourself being tried for witchcraft
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: since people found you with your phone and with insulin?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, she had an insulin, No she did.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: How would you try to get yourself out of trouble? Oh?
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I would inject them all with insulin and kill them
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: all and then start new with the natives. Have a
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: good twenty eight days with the natives before my insulin
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: would run out. Yeah, and they would welcome me in
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: because I'd kill all the narsty ones with just a
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: narsty white men, just a tiny little dose of my insulin,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: just a little, just a little prick and hi, bye.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: How about you?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I think I would just try to run away because
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: have an asthma attack, and then I would just like
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: fall over and die before they could do anything to me.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Just be like go along and just like chuck look
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: over there, and then run away.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Ta mesmerism with something on your phone?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do? There's no internet, Like,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: what could you do with your phone?
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: You could still potentially use the AI.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Right, No, No, I could use my calculator app and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: be like, look I can new math. Look at not quickly?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I can do math. I don't think you can use
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the AI function without Wi Fi.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: No, I've used to with data.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you had no data and no Wi Fi, yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: It's just a really expensive brick.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could show pictures that you have saved on your.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Phone, videos, record things.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: You could record things and play it back and they'd be.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, do it in like slow motion or something.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Freak them out. This is what the sky really looks like.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Put a filter on it. They're like, oh, I can
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: do this.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Whow Yeah that was a fun love. I can't believe
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: she edited slid to it that she did. She was like, emmana,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: she got me. She got me this time, said and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Maddie's insulin.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: All right, what's something good you'd like to share?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I do have something good, but I will
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: keep this something good to myself for a little bit. Yeah, O,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: there's something good this week. So tomorrow I have I'm
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: going to head up to as part of our job,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: we have the opportunity to be a part of training
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: program with one of the sovereign nations that's in Minnesota.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: So I get to spend two days at a training
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: with the Ojibwa tribe, oh Carlton up in Carlton. So yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: so you get to do some I don't. They had
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the itinerary up. I didn't want to look at it
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: because I kind of want to like surprise, because like
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: our boss, our whole team gets to go like we
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: we actually made our work. We shifted our work around
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: so that we could have this kind of like quote
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: unquote week off almost like we actually published things earlier faster.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago so that we could be
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: ready for this. But like my whole small team is going.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to carpool together and it's a training that
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: several sovereign nations provides to state employees that we're all
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: welcome to, like the state can we'll pay for our
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: trip there, which is really nice. But different tribes offer
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: clatt the course throughout different times of the year, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: this one worked out with our group that we were
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: all able to go. So yeah, I guess you do
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: that this week, and I'm excited to go. I haven't
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: been super north really despite living here forever, so there
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: was talk of going up to Duluth for a little
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: bit too, and I've never been to Duluf, so it'll
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: be nice to nice spend a little bit of time. Yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: how about you.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about that when you get back.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: I know, I'm really excited. I think it's going to
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: be really cool.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Awesome for me. Ask gone, what's what's been happening.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: You've been really busy.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I have been really busy. Something good is this past
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: weekend was crazy busy for both my girls. So it
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: was prom for my oldest, which I think she had fun.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: There were some mishaps along the ways, is there always
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is so, but she still had fun. And my youngest,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: she and most of the girls in her troop. One
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: of them couldn't come because she had a fever. They
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: sewed their own vests for next year for when they
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: bring it. So my my co leader, Lisa, her mom
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: is part of a sewing circle. So the women came
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and brought their sewing machines.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: And that's so sweet.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: And showed the girls how to sew their own vests.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And we did have to do a little bit of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: intervention on some parts because the.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I bet some of them are just stuff on this stuff.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: On the X on the outside, the little like kind
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: of breeding thing that goes like that was kind of
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: an issue. But for the most part, the girls did
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: them all themselves and it looks really great. So it's
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: very proud of the cool So I'm very proud of
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the youngest and the girls in her troop for sticking
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: with it and doing it. And it was a lot
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: of work, but they did it. And now they have
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: their vests already for bridging in a couple of weeks,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: which sounds crazy, but.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: It does sound crazy. That it's already time for that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: June will be here before we know it.
• 57:41
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