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Impact of Ryan O'Hearn to the IL · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory,
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Speaker 1: presented to you by the Foul Territory Network. I'm Noah Hiles.
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Speaker 1: Joining me as always are my co hosts Josh Harrison
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Speaker 1: and platinum Key aka Mark. We've got a good show today.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the current state of the Pirates.
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Speaker 1: They're hitting, they're experiencing, i should say, a little bit
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Speaker 1: of adversity. Jared Jones made some interesting comments this past week.
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Speaker 1: He's still rehabing in nol Tuona. We're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: him and how he can potentially help the team this year.
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Speaker 1: And as always, we will round out our Monday show
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Speaker 1: with our segment Key of the Week, presented to you
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Speaker 1: by the one and only mister platinum Key. But Fellas,
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Speaker 1: like I said, we got to start off with the
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Speaker 1: current state of affairs. The Pirates suffer their second sweep
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Speaker 1: of the season, this one coming over the weekend of
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies. Friday Night's game look to be going
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Speaker 1: great until it wasn't. They lose an extra innings, They
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Speaker 1: get shut out the next two days and the bad
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Speaker 1: news keeps coming. In addition to being swept their bullpen stinks,
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Speaker 1: their offense gets shut out back to back games, and
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Speaker 1: now Ryan O'Hearn, one of, if not the best hitter
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Speaker 1: in the lineup this season, goes on the il with
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Speaker 1: a hip injury. He's gonna miss around four weeks, is
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Speaker 1: what general manager Ben Cherrington estimated on his weekly radio
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Speaker 1: show on Sunday. So, Josh, I'll start with you here.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know more than anyone in the major
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Speaker 1: leagues when it rains at pourse. That's why they give
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Speaker 1: the cliche, don't get too high, don't get too low.
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Speaker 1: But right now it seems like the universe is getting
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Speaker 1: too low on the pirates. They're just dealing them a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of, you know, tough blows to the abdomen.
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Speaker 1: When you're in a clubhouse in a situation like this
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Speaker 1: where it just seems like you can't catch a break,
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Speaker 1: nothing's working, you have an off day, then you have
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Speaker 1: a row trip that marks the beginning of a thirteen
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Speaker 1: day stretch with no breaks.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, last off day in May is the day this
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Speaker 1: comes out. What are you saying to the boys in
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Speaker 1: the clubhouse in this type of situation.
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Speaker 3: You gonna keep keep grinding you know, you obviously know
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Speaker 3: where you stand, and you know it's it's a situation
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Speaker 3: where this is where you really get tested with your depth,
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Speaker 3: and unfortunately it just happens to be, you know, one
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Speaker 3: of the key members, if not one of you know,
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Speaker 3: the most important in the lineup. Just as you said,
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Speaker 3: he's offered so much flexibility in that lineup, driving in runs.
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Speaker 4: Just being a complete hitter.
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Speaker 3: But you know, it immediately goes into something that this
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Speaker 3: off this team was built around offense, and his production
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Speaker 3: is something that is going to be missed for these
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Speaker 3: four weeks or however you know long keys out. But
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Speaker 3: it's also a situation of somebody else has an opportunity
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Speaker 3: to stand up or you know, step up and make
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Speaker 3: the presence felt and not saying from an individualistic oh
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to go out here and still Ryan on
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Speaker 3: Hearn's spot, but you know there's gonna be an opportunity
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Speaker 3: for somebody, you know, to get more at bats that
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Speaker 3: necessarily wasn't going to get them, and not necessarily one person.
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Speaker 3: It might be by committee. And these are times where
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Speaker 3: it's like, hey, man, who's ever in that spot? Whether
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Speaker 3: you know you got you know Righty's or you face
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Speaker 3: some lefties PLATOONA, there's a young prospect that gets called up.
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Speaker 3: One thing that has to be known for whoever that is,
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Speaker 3: is like, don't think that you have to replace his production,
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Speaker 3: you know, because his production is what it is and
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Speaker 3: he's being paid what he's being.
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Speaker 4: Paid for a reason. But those guys that are stepping.
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Speaker 3: In get an opportunity, you know, to step into a
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Speaker 3: role that, as I said, otherwise they weren't prepared for.
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Speaker 3: And sometimes that can be a joke because at the
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Speaker 3: end of the day, the other team now is making
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Speaker 3: an adjustment where it's like, Okay, we no longer have
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Speaker 3: to face Ryan o'harn. But at the same time, you
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Speaker 3: might catch lightning in a bottle and some other guys
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Speaker 3: that are filling in, and it's like, oh man, how
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Speaker 3: do we matchup for you know, this rriety, this left
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Speaker 3: too we don't really know much about, or man, this
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Speaker 3: guy hasn't done much. But at the same time, you know,
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Speaker 3: getting consistent plan time you might see somebody that's able to,
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Speaker 3: you know, bridge that gap for one O'Hearn's back, and
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Speaker 3: you might have to get creative. But at the same time,
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Speaker 3: you know, in that locker room guy's way.
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Speaker 4: Keep going.
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Speaker 3: Man, we we gotta you know, write the you know,
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Speaker 3: not necessarily right the ship, but you know O'Hearn is
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Speaker 3: a big part of this team. Whoever is in there
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Speaker 3: hold you know, hold it down and know that the
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Speaker 3: guys around you got your back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, next man up right?
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Speaker 1: Well go ahead, now, well, Mark, I was just going
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Speaker 1: to tee you up with something here. So, like we
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Speaker 1: just got Josh's in depth player perspective, I want to
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Speaker 1: know how the fans are thinking. I mean because because honestly,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it hasn't been like the perfect season
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Speaker 1: by any standpoint, but I do feel like it's been
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Speaker 1: relatively smooth sailing as far as.
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Speaker 2: It's been good for the big picture.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's been a fun season so far. They've
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Speaker 1: had the Cone Connor Griffins here. Steen's has been great.
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Speaker 1: I mean, save like a couple of outings here and there.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, they have their flaws as a team,
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Speaker 1: but so does every other team.
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Speaker 2: They've still won more games than they've lost.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And so as a fan right now, where
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Speaker 1: are you on the panic meter? How worried are you
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Speaker 1: about this situation? Because it's really their first true test
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Speaker 1: of adversity.
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Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly where I was going to go, because
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Speaker 2: this team's been relatively healthy. I mean, we had the
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Speaker 2: Jared Triolo injury to start the year, and that was
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Speaker 2: where we were saying, like, Jared trio is probably the
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Speaker 2: one guy on this team that can't get hurt right
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Speaker 2: now given the depth at they're base. But Nick and
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Speaker 2: Zalees stepped up and for a part of the time,
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Speaker 2: Nick York stepped up as well. So those guys embraced
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Speaker 2: that opportunity and seized on it and capitalized on it.
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Speaker 2: And now with Oharn going out, yeah, obviously we're not
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Speaker 2: going to get all star level production out of whoever
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Speaker 2: steps up into right field now, but you have an
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Speaker 2: opportunity to see password. I mean a lot of people
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Speaker 2: in my common it's been saying where is Justins and
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Speaker 2: Garcia now, like, especially after this I hurt an injury,
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Speaker 2: but at like yeah, so as a fan the panic button,
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Speaker 2: you gotta feel it a little bit. Just this series, Uh,
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Speaker 2: I think it was since like the six or seventh
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Speaker 2: inning of Friday Night's game, they've been outscored twenty to one,
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Speaker 2: where they just gave up a six nothing lead Friday
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Speaker 2: Night and then went on to lose two games back
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Speaker 2: to back, six to nothing. Like as a fan, that
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Speaker 2: doesn't make you feel great, especially when it's the bullpen
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Speaker 2: that's giving it up, and it's like, wait, where did
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Speaker 2: this offense go that we've been watching and relying on
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Speaker 2: for a lot of these wins. So obviously I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna hit the panic button quite yet. There's plenty
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Speaker 2: of good things going on, but it's a little concerning
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Speaker 2: because if you're a good team, they would have at
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Speaker 2: least taken one of these games. And it's a it's
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Speaker 2: you're not gonna judge a team based off one series.
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Speaker 2: But when a lot of these series keep happening where
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Speaker 2: it's you feel like it's games that they could have won,
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Speaker 2: they should have won, that just slips through the cracks.
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Speaker 2: As those start to pile up, you get a little
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Speaker 2: bit more discourage each time.
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Speaker 1: Allow me to be the one that provides some optimism
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Speaker 1: about Pirates Baseball. I thought Mark would do that. No,
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Speaker 1: but let's put this into context a little bit. Friday's
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Speaker 1: loss was the worst loss they've had in a long time,
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Speaker 1: not just to season. I mean, that's like all things
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Speaker 1: considered like the stadium's packed. Braxton looked good. You crush
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Speaker 1: the baseball like Europe six nothing. You should have won
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Speaker 1: that game the next two days. I mean they got
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Speaker 1: shut up by Christopher Sanchez and Zach Wheeler.
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Speaker 2: That happens.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the best two are the top five pitchers in
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Speaker 1: the National League.
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Speaker 2: Man, there's a reason Sanchez was second in SI young Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Wheeler was second in SI Young two years ago.
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Speaker 1: So like it's that's just what it is, man, and
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Speaker 1: like not making excuses. Good teams need to find a
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Speaker 1: way to beat cy Young rights like the Philadelphia Phillies
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Speaker 1: did today. But and then on the other token, I mean,
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Speaker 1: the Phillies are the hottest team in Major League Baseball
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Speaker 1: right now. Their season was dead, they fired their manager,
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Speaker 1: and now they look like the Philadelphia Phillies again. And
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Speaker 1: I mean they have the hottest hitter in the sport
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Speaker 1: right now with Kyle Schwarber. No one wants to face
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Speaker 1: that guy. The guys hitting around him are absolute studs.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you got Harper. Their top three hitters are
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Speaker 1: two Hall of famers. In my opinion, I think Scharber's
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Speaker 1: on that track and Harper's already there. I mean, Brandon
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Speaker 1: marsh is one of the best hitters in the National
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Speaker 1: League this year. He's in the middle of that lineup.
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Speaker 1: You got a veteran like a Doulas Garcia, Trey Turner's
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Speaker 1: at the top. I mean, it's a really go There's
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Speaker 1: a reason they're in the playoffs every single year. It's
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Speaker 1: a good team. You got swept by a good team.
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Speaker 1: It's okay that happens. And as far as you know,
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Speaker 1: looking forward, Oharan is a loss. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: position player depth is like their biggest strength. Ring he
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Speaker 1: plays first base in right field. We've said on the
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Speaker 1: show a million times they have a million people who
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Speaker 1: can play those positions. Spencer Horowitz can be your everyday
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Speaker 1: first baseman, and I think he's earned the opportunity to
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Speaker 1: face left handed pitching a little bit more because he's
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Speaker 1: quietly been one of their better hitters this season. And
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Speaker 1: then in right field, you have Reynolds as an option
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Speaker 1: with Mangham as the everyday guy and left or you
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Speaker 1: can call someone up. You have Jared Triolo where they've
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Speaker 1: been playing him the last couple of days. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk more about right field later in the show, but
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Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, you're trotting out guys who
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Speaker 1: don't belong in the major leagues, which has been the
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Speaker 1: reality for this franchise for a while when you lose
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Speaker 1: a key player. Even when they've been competitive, there were
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Speaker 1: times where they just didn't have the depth at certain spots,
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Speaker 1: and they don't have depth in certain spots. But this
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Speaker 1: was a position where they were kind of logjam. So yes,
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Speaker 1: they need guys to step up. They need Marcelo zoom
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Speaker 1: Ozuna now more than ever to be a force in
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Speaker 1: the middle of that lineup. They need Jake Mangham to
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Speaker 1: get going, they need other guys. But it's it's not
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Speaker 1: as dire as you know it might seem on paper,
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Speaker 1: I guess. So I think that wraps up the first segment.
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break. When we come back,
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a guy who might provide
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Speaker 1: some help in a bit, although we don't know how.
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Speaker 1: His name's Jared Jones. We'll talk about him soon.
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Speaker 1: All right. Jared Jones pitching it out Tuna. He made
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Speaker 1: a second start with the curve on Sunday of his
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Speaker 1: stat line here. Four and a third innings, three hits,
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Speaker 1: two runs, all earned, two walk seven strikeouts. He retired
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Speaker 1: his first nine batters he faced through scoreless four innings.
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Speaker 1: One of the runs charge of Jones is in the
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Speaker 1: fifth scored after he departed Jared Jones. That's not why
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Speaker 1: we're talking about him, though. Jared Jones is fine. He's
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Speaker 1: looked really good in his rehab outings. Where he didn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily look great was his media availability after an outing
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Speaker 1: earlier this week. Last week, I should say in Altuna
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Speaker 1: where Riley Holsinger, local TV reporter in Altuna, good buddy
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Speaker 1: of mine, asked him a question if he was going
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Speaker 1: to pitch out of the bullpen if they had talked
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Speaker 1: about that, and Jared just said no. Next question, is there.
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Speaker 6: Any change for a bullen you get back to Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll throw a bullpen with Pittsburgh. I mean, like
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Speaker 4: when you work.
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Speaker 6: Out of the ball.
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Speaker 1: Next question, And if you look at the video which
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Speaker 1: we'll have in this episode on YouTube, if you're watching
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Speaker 1: and it's also been plastered all over social media, you
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Speaker 1: can see, I mean, Jared's having this happy go luck.
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Speaker 1: You look on his face in the moment someone brought
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Speaker 1: up the B word, it all changed.
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Speaker 2: He didn't even recognized it was like going to the bullpen.
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Speaker 2: He's like yeah, yeah, He was like, yeah, I'll.
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Speaker 1: Throw a bullpen. Yeah. And look, there are certain b
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Speaker 1: words that you bring up around the man and it'll
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Speaker 1: listen reaction. But Bullpen should not be one of them.
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Speaker 1: All right, he's a major league pitcher. So Mark, I'll
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Speaker 1: start with you. What was your reaction to Jared Jones's
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Speaker 1: reaction and the things that followed afterward? Yeah, or you know,
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Speaker 1: before I throw that over to you, let me just
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Speaker 1: point out, Yeah, there are certain people that rush to
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Speaker 1: Jones's defense saying, oh, they weren't supposed to ask him
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Speaker 1: about this, and that wasn't the case. He was asked
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Speaker 1: a very fair question. He did not handle it properly,
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Speaker 1: and the pirates in return, have had days now to
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Speaker 1: kind of address it, to say no, this is what
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Speaker 1: he's doing, and they haven't done that. So still where
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Speaker 1: this show's airing on May eighteenth, Jared's probably back in
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Speaker 1: like the next week or two. Yeah, No, one seems
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Speaker 1: to know how he's going to be used. Mark, how
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Speaker 1: you feeling about all this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it was disappointing to see as a fan, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: I have two takes on it. One, I kind of
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Speaker 2: love the fire because that's just like authentically Jerry Jones,
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Speaker 2: Like he's going to go out there and be that
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Speaker 2: kind of just jerk on the mound, just like pitch
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Speaker 2: with a little bit of fire, right like, and you
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Speaker 2: kind of want your professional athletes like you don't get
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Speaker 2: to that level without being that kind of like belief
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Speaker 2: in yourself where you think, like, no, I am the
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Speaker 2: best pitcher out there, why wouldn't I not be in
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Speaker 2: the starting rotation? So I like that mindset, but you
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Speaker 2: can't communicate that with that kind of question. Like you
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Speaker 2: can believe that all you want, but you need to
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Speaker 2: be saying like, oh, yeah, I mean, I'll do whatever
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Speaker 2: this team needs. It's all you got to say, at
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Speaker 2: least publicly. And that's not what he said publicly, which
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Speaker 2: is concerning because it's not like there's a clear spot
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Speaker 2: in this rotation for him to waltz rip back into
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Speaker 2: after one year in the majors and then a year off.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know what were your takeaways.
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Speaker 4: Next question?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, just everything that you guys have said.
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Speaker 4: You know, it looked like he was called off guard,
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Speaker 4: and as.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned, he could have handled it a completely different
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Speaker 3: way because Riley, I'm sure it wasn't trying to cause
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Speaker 3: a stare out of him. You know, it's a guy
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Speaker 3: that otherwise you said in Altuna, Who's like, man, I
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Speaker 3: don't know how many opportunities I'm going to get to
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Speaker 3: ask a question.
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Speaker 4: Let me try to figure anything out.
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Speaker 3: And at the same time, you take the context of
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Speaker 3: Ben's you know comments, you know a few weeks back
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Speaker 3: of we might have to get creative. You know, Ben
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Speaker 3: himself didn't commit to him being in. They start in rotation,
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Speaker 3: and so that that is a valid question because it's
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Speaker 3: not like he's just oh, man, I wonder if you're
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Speaker 3: going to come out the bullpen. So there has been
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Speaker 3: some things that you know, I have been said that
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Speaker 3: could cots for people to want to ask that question as.
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Speaker 2: It's a question that we have a guy in. The
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Speaker 2: answer to you, yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why, just because, as you said,
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Speaker 3: everything is fluid, you can't commit to anything. But even
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Speaker 3: for him, you know, it could have been handled differently
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Speaker 3: just to say, hey, man, I my job is to
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Speaker 3: get myself ready to get back to the team. You know,
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Speaker 3: I got to get healthy before I start worrying about.
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, these are things that he
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Speaker 3: will learn from because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: coming out the bullpen, don't mean you're coming in the
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Speaker 3: fifth or sixth inning. They could potentially just say, hey,
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Speaker 3: we want to start with an opener for you that's
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Speaker 3: still coming out of the bullpen, but you're acting as
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Speaker 3: a starter, you know. But at the same time, communication
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Speaker 3: will clear all of this up. And behind closed doors,
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Speaker 3: I hope that there's something that they're talking because obviously
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Speaker 3: right now out in the open, it's a lot of
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Speaker 3: questions marks what they're going to do and this or that.
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Speaker 3: But if behind closed doors they know what the agenda is,
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Speaker 3: this can easily be you know handled. But you know,
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Speaker 3: right now, it seems as if they're still on to
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Speaker 3: keep their options open because this is a guy, as
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, only one year and missed the full year.
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Speaker 3: Do they and we've had this conversation, you know, your
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Speaker 3: term slow cooking Noah out of protection. So sometimes what
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Speaker 3: might the player might not you know, what the player
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Speaker 3: might envision might not be the best.
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Speaker 4: You know course that they want to take.
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Speaker 3: And a lot of times they're just not going to
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Speaker 3: commit the saying you're going to go right into the
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Speaker 3: starting pitching rotation, which has not been an issue.
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Speaker 4: You know, where does it make sense?
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Speaker 3: So I got they're going to have to get creative,
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Speaker 3: as Ben said, and even when he said that, Jared
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Speaker 3: the whole time is probably like men, they can say
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Speaker 3: what they want to say.
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Speaker 4: I'm coming back and I'm going to be the star,
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Speaker 4: and that's just the competitive nature.
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Speaker 3: But you know, these are things where you don't want
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Speaker 3: the cause of divide in that locker room. And I
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Speaker 3: don't think it will, but as I said, I think
17:46
Speaker 3: it will cause Jared to you know, think about how
17:50
Speaker 3: he answered certain questions or response.
17:54
Speaker 1: It's ironic that we're talking about what we're talking about
17:57
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to think of the right thing to
18:01
Speaker 1: say here, because there's there's a lot that you can't say.
18:03
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jared Jones, it's a bad look
18:08
Speaker 1: for him. I'll just say it. I mean, this is this,
18:10
Speaker 1: this is the look of an immature player. And I
18:14
Speaker 1: mean he's young, and that's gonna happen. Like people slip
18:17
Speaker 1: up and say things. But again it's it's you can't
18:22
Speaker 1: let people know that, you know, like never never let
18:25
Speaker 1: him see you hurt, you know, right or right?
18:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not cutting you off and I'm not
18:30
Speaker 3: vouching for him, but it's ultimately the world we live in,
18:34
Speaker 3: the society, we live in, the entitlement and not he's
18:38
Speaker 3: not entitled to speak that, but that's what we have
18:42
Speaker 3: ultimately deemed as right. No matter if you you know,
18:46
Speaker 3: guys are like, man, get you some years in before
18:49
Speaker 3: you you.
18:49
Speaker 4: Know, do that.
18:50
Speaker 3: But at the same time, yeah, there's no longer guys
18:53
Speaker 3: around to teach him that way.
18:55
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. This is a product of an
18:58
Speaker 1: organization who probably did media train their prospects. Yeah, good
19:02
Speaker 1: enough while he was in the system. I will give
19:05
Speaker 1: the Pirates credit. I think they're trending in the right direction.
19:10
Speaker 1: I'm getting off track there, but like, yeah, like I
19:12
Speaker 1: think that there is Like you also got to look
19:16
Speaker 1: at like Jared's timeline right, Like he was drafted during COVID,
19:19
Speaker 1: he came out of high school. It was just a
19:22
Speaker 1: weird transition period of like the world and baseball and everything,
19:26
Speaker 1: and there might be some immaturity there or just not
19:30
Speaker 1: seeing how things are done the right way. Like I
19:34
Speaker 1: look at Jared professional track, what veterans was he around
19:42
Speaker 1: that showed him that pulled him aside? Like Josh, you
19:44
Speaker 1: add vets that when you got to the Major league clubhouse.
19:48
Speaker 1: They showed you how to do things. They showed you
19:49
Speaker 1: how to tip the clubbi's, they showed you how to
19:53
Speaker 1: you know, treat the traveling secretary, the pr people, the media,
19:57
Speaker 1: all of these things. Because when you're joining a when
20:00
Speaker 1: you're when you're making it to the big leagues, those
20:02
Speaker 1: are the those aren't the things on your mind. You're
20:04
Speaker 1: trying to throw a hundred, We're hit one hundred, run
20:07
Speaker 1: the bases. Yeah, but these these are parts of the job.
20:10
Speaker 1: These are parts of the job, and they make the
20:13
Speaker 1: baseball part of your job harder when you screw them up.
20:16
Speaker 1: And right now, yeah, like the Pirates didn't need this,
20:20
Speaker 1: They didn't need a guy who they need Jared Jones
20:24
Speaker 1: on their team and they need to use Jared Jones
20:27
Speaker 1: however that makes them better. And right now, Jared Jones
20:31
Speaker 1: out of the bullpen is probably a win win for
20:34
Speaker 1: both sides. Jared will eventually be a starting pitcher, but
20:41
Speaker 1: why would you rush? Why are you having him start
20:43
Speaker 1: in May only to put him in the bullpen in September?
20:47
Speaker 1: Soul probably work the other way around, And for Jared,
20:52
Speaker 1: like that's frustrating, But dude, they're gonna baby you because
20:57
Speaker 1: your arm almost exploded. Like they they're looking out for you,
21:02
Speaker 1: and they're also looking out for themselves. And I love
21:05
Speaker 1: the intensity that Jared Jones brings them ound full disclosure.
21:09
Speaker 1: He can be a pain in the ass to deal
21:11
Speaker 1: with sometimes, but I respect that. I like pictures that
21:15
Speaker 1: have that f you mentality. They're very fun to cover.
21:18
Speaker 1: And when Jared and everything's going well for Jared, he's funny.
21:22
Speaker 1: He's kind of a smart ass, but it's fine. And
21:25
Speaker 1: when he's miserable, everyone's gonna be miserable. And I don't
21:29
Speaker 1: take that personally. That's how pictures are sometimes, and that's
21:32
Speaker 1: totally cool. But this was unnecessary. Man. You created a
21:35
Speaker 1: mess that wasn't needed, not only for yourself, but for
21:39
Speaker 1: your team that desperately needs you back, for your GM,
21:42
Speaker 1: for your manager.
21:44
Speaker 4: I just e've been your staff. You know you got yeah.
21:48
Speaker 1: All you Even if he just said, I'll say this,
21:52
Speaker 1: you know, if that question was asked and he just said, like,
21:55
Speaker 1: the competitor in me wants to be a starter. I
21:58
Speaker 1: want to be out there because that's what I trained for,
22:01
Speaker 1: That's what I do. But we'll see what happens. That's
22:05
Speaker 1: not necessarily even the most ideal answer for the pirates,
22:08
Speaker 1: but it's better than what happened.
22:09
Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with that because that leaves everything
22:13
Speaker 3: open ended, like you.
22:15
Speaker 4: Know what I mean and not saying it, but yeah.
22:18
Speaker 1: To have the frame of mind where it's like you're
22:20
Speaker 1: gonna try to force someone's hand is just it's not
22:24
Speaker 1: the right way to go about it, probably, and I'm
22:27
Speaker 1: sure he wishes he had that one back. I don't
22:29
Speaker 1: think Jared Jones is a bad teammate. Like I said, Yeah,
22:33
Speaker 1: he can be a little frustrating to deal with for
22:35
Speaker 1: everyone at times, but so was Aj Burnett at times,
22:39
Speaker 1: you know, so were so many other players. And you
22:42
Speaker 1: look at the smile that just showed up on Josh's face,
22:44
Speaker 1: like you need a little bit of that fu, especially
22:46
Speaker 1: when you're a five foot ten guy throwing a hundred.
22:49
Speaker 1: You're an underdog. You got to have that chip on
22:51
Speaker 1: your shoulder. So there's nothing wrong with that. But that
22:53
Speaker 1: was a miscalculation I think on his end, or an
22:56
Speaker 1: emotional reaction that Josh says he will learn from. I
23:00
Speaker 1: would say, I hope he learns from that, and that's
23:03
Speaker 1: what I'll just say. I hope he learned because I
23:05
Speaker 1: can't continue to happen.
23:07
Speaker 3: I think you will, just because if you look at
23:09
Speaker 3: the context of it, it wasn't even in the big
23:12
Speaker 3: league clubhouse, and it's gaining distraction.
23:14
Speaker 4: So imagine if he was to do that to it,
23:17
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
23:18
Speaker 1: So that's why, brother, I know.
23:20
Speaker 4: That's why I said.
23:20
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna learn from it because this heat
23:24
Speaker 3: because guess what they tell you training, Hey, this stuff
23:27
Speaker 3: is gonna these videos, they're they're going to live on.
23:30
Speaker 4: So I think that's something.
23:32
Speaker 3: Whether he knows it or not, I think he just
23:33
Speaker 3: got some media training that he didn't sign up.
23:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Josh, I don't know about you. I
23:40
Speaker 1: can't recall a SoundBite like that ever coming from Altuna.
23:44
Speaker 4: Again, everybody is their own person.
23:49
Speaker 3: But it happens, He's gonna be fine because yeah, the
23:53
Speaker 3: guy's in the clubhouse knowing.
23:54
Speaker 4: But at the same time, he's gonna he's gonna learn
23:57
Speaker 4: when he can do that, not do it, because.
24:03
Speaker 3: That could have been something where, you know, get some
24:05
Speaker 3: years or you can turn that into a joke, but
24:07
Speaker 3: right now is not the time for it.
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Speaker 2: All right, in this week's Key of the week here,
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Speaker 2: with the adversity striking with Ryan o'hearing going down. But
26:00
Speaker 2: my key of the week is whoever steps up into
26:03
Speaker 2: this left field or right field role sees on that opportunity,
26:07
Speaker 2: like just like what Nick and Zales did at third base.
26:09
Speaker 2: If it's Justinston Garcia, I mean he might have a
26:14
Speaker 2: full month in MLB finally where he can show what
26:17
Speaker 2: he can do, make an impact, make a case for
26:19
Speaker 2: himself to stick on this roster. Win Ohrn gets back
26:22
Speaker 2: and claim that fourth or fifth outfield spot, or if
26:26
Speaker 2: it's Ezmrelyn Valdez, maybe he gets a shot. You know,
26:29
Speaker 2: maybe they because Joe Justtinston and Garcia just got injured.
26:33
Speaker 2: You know, he just got he finished his rehab assignment.
26:36
Speaker 2: Maybe you keep him in Triple A, gat him a
26:38
Speaker 2: little bit more acclimated. Whereas Ezmralan Valdez hasn't had a
26:42
Speaker 2: shot in MLB yet. Maybe you want to showcase him
26:45
Speaker 2: a little bit. We were just talking in this past
26:47
Speaker 2: episode where he may be someone that you look to
26:50
Speaker 2: trade at the deadline if you want to add to
26:52
Speaker 2: the bullpen. Could be a potential trade chip. So maybe
26:57
Speaker 2: it'says Merilan Valdes. But whoever that player is that they're
26:59
Speaker 2: going to ounce on Tuesday, seize that role. Fill in.
27:05
Speaker 2: If you can really step up, that would be massive
27:08
Speaker 2: for this team. Obviously you're not going to reproduce what
27:11
Speaker 2: Brian o'haran was doing, uh, but just being a competitive player,
27:16
Speaker 2: not being below replacement, you know, showing that you belong
27:19
Speaker 2: in the big leagues with that opportunity, that's that's my
27:22
Speaker 2: key of the week.
27:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to build off that. I think there is
27:26
Speaker 1: a tremendous opportunity for a slew of young outfielders here.
27:30
Speaker 1: Jake Mangham is going to be an everyday player again
27:32
Speaker 1: something that you know, a lot of people felt that
27:34
Speaker 1: he should have been the whole season, and yeah, they're
27:37
Speaker 1: clearly going to call up an outfielder. It's, I think,
27:40
Speaker 1: either going to be Valdez or Garcia and whoever gets
27:46
Speaker 1: this opportunity, it's it's it's it's an opportunity to stay,
27:49
Speaker 1: right because the Pirates. The Pirates would love to be
27:52
Speaker 1: in a situation where it's like, all right, well what
27:53
Speaker 1: do we do now in o'hearnay. Yeah, like they would
27:55
Speaker 1: love to do that because that's good, especially with those
27:58
Speaker 1: types of players, Like they would love to be forced
28:00
Speaker 1: in a situation where it's like we don't want to
28:02
Speaker 1: send these guys back down, like they're here and they're
28:05
Speaker 1: here to stay. I would think they probably feel that
28:08
Speaker 1: way more toward Garcia than as Merlin. I think they'd
28:11
Speaker 1: be more cool with having Valdez be the updown guy.
28:15
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think it's a bad thing if
28:17
Speaker 1: Garcia comes up here and he's here to stay, because
28:21
Speaker 1: you know, he's a good defensive outfielder, whereas as Merlin's
28:25
Speaker 1: not really great with the glove. So yeah, there's a
28:29
Speaker 1: huge opportunity, and this is a team that I think
28:32
Speaker 1: could use a little bit of a spark, and that
28:35
Speaker 1: comes through call ups. That comes through a new person
28:39
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse, either via trade or I don't know
28:42
Speaker 1: if it necessarily comes a ton through waiver claims originally.
28:46
Speaker 1: But when you bring up a young prospect to the guys,
28:49
Speaker 1: know who was with the team in major league camp,
28:51
Speaker 1: who played with some of these guys in Triple A
28:53
Speaker 1: last year, Double A last year, that's that's a jolt.
28:57
Speaker 1: That's something where it's like, all right, and you feel
28:59
Speaker 1: good on a team being like, Okay, well we just
29:01
Speaker 1: lost the stud. But guess what, we got a young
29:03
Speaker 1: stud and he's not just here for a little bit,
29:05
Speaker 1: like he's gonna fit into this equation long term. So like,
29:08
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Mark, this is a good opportunity. Josh,
29:11
Speaker 1: what about you?
29:13
Speaker 4: I totally agree.
29:15
Speaker 3: Just to piggyback off of that, it's a great opportunity.
29:18
Speaker 3: You're looking at a guy who was that guy twenty eleven.
29:21
Speaker 3: But to go along with it, Noah, I wasn't in
29:24
Speaker 3: big league camp. Memorial Day weekend, Steven Pierce breaks his foot,
29:28
Speaker 3: I get called in the office after a game, I
29:31
Speaker 3: get called up.
29:33
Speaker 4: Wasn't in big league camp came up.
29:34
Speaker 3: I played third base, not every day, but got an
29:36
Speaker 3: opportunity to play quite a bit that year. I was
29:39
Speaker 3: optioned up and down, you know, a couple of times,
29:42
Speaker 3: but I ended up being part of the long term
29:44
Speaker 3: plans as you saw.
29:45
Speaker 4: But as you.
29:45
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29:48
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29:50
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29:53
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29:58
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30:01
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30:14
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30:17
Speaker 3: Oh Man, we got to find a way to keep
30:18
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30:20
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30:24
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30:28
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30:30
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30:34
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30:37
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Speaker 2: No, I've just enjoyed this off day. And let's sweep
31:47
Speaker 2: the Cardinals because I mean five games out, still twenty
31:50
Speaker 2: four to twenty three, only five games behind the Cubs.
31:53
Speaker 2: So let's make up some room with an easy Cardinals
31:56
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31:59
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Speaker 3: So hit the reset button. And as you said, the
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32:13
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Speaker 2: Cardinals are not the Phillies.
32:18
Speaker 1: Yeah no they're not. They swept you on your home turf.
32:22
Speaker 1: Now you have an opportunity to yourself. Yep. And uh
32:26
Speaker 1: big road trip ahead. Road trips make or break teams
32:30
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32:33
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32:35
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32:40
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