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Everton Transfer Chaos! Armstrong U-Turn, Ndiaye OUT & Richarlison BACK? | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

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  I'm down to do my football yesterday.
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  Football over the weekend, I think.
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  You had a busy man, Leon.
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  Well, let's start there because, yeah, and I was with Tarky yesterday.
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  He came down to the Premier League studio, yeah, to do the afternoon of football.
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  So I've got to spend a few hours with him.
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  I hope you've given him a big, massive hug and told him.
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  I jumped on him.
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  Yeah.
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  Fucking good lad, well done.
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  Yeah, everyone was surprised.
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  They gave him a big, massive hug.
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  I was like, me hero, hero of the weekend.
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  Come here, big man.
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  That's exactly what I'm going to do when I see him this week, mate.
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  Grab hold him, grip him, just fucking hug him and say, well done.
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  You've done your job.
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  I tell you what, and I actually did the game as well, and I said exactly what Moisey said after the game, that it reminded me of that goal he scored against Liverpool a few years back.
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  Yeah.
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  Back post.
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  That will live for me forever.
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  As it's bouncing, brilliant goal.
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  Danny Murphy, who I was working with, wasn't happy about my comparison.
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  He didn't enjoy it.
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  But I didn't care.
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  It was a great thing.
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  Why can't you half hit them like that, can't you?
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  So I think I'll go first.
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  Yeah, if Everton Football Club have the cheek or dare to sell Harrison Armstrong, it is going to be a riot.
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  I thought it was brilliant, the speed at which the fans made up that song.
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  What song?
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  I always say.
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  I have no idea.
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  I mean, it's something like Harris.
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  I'm not singing it now.
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  Go on, Os.
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  Os, come on.
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  You're starting it.
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  You can't sing it.
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  It's just like Harrison Armstrong.
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  Harrison Armstrong, he's our...
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  He's our great young talent.
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  And if you sell him, we're going to riot.
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  It was something along them lines.
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  And they were singing it to him on the pitch.
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  They were singing it during the game.
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  It was great.
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  But it was frustrating news.
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  Harrison didn't want to.
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  I'm pretty sure Harrison didn't want to go as a young kid.
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  And you're coming through your local club.
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  But at the same time, what can you do if the club accept a bid and tell you you're on your way?
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  What I will say is, despite all the noise around him,
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  I thought he had a great game.
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  I thought, you know, you go to the game, you're thinking, am I going to be here?
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  Is this going to be my last game?
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  Are the clubs selling me?
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  Do the club not want me?
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  Blah, blah, blah.
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  And then fair play to David Moyes, you played them anyway.
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  You know, when moves like that are going on, you sometimes get pressure to say, don't play him because...
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  You know, he's off after the game or whatever, but Moise was like, nap, I'm playing him.
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  Get out there, Harrison.
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  And credit to them both.
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  I thought he played well, particularly in the first half.
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  I thought he tied a bit second half, but I thought he played well.
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  He has done an all three games so far, and he's our young player.
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  We need to get into the habit now of not building a team around them, because...
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  I think you need to sort of be fighting for your positions and you need to be competing and all that, but having them a real part of the squad, we've just lost Sheamus.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  We've just lost someone that's been a key figure for years.
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  Let's let's encourage us to have these young, talented players at the club for a long time.
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  Definitely.
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  You know what, ours is just
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  It infuriated me when I first heard it.
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  And I don't, like, just as a fan, I don't know, I've never been a footballer, but someone like you being a player, how would that affect you, Oz?
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  You know, the manager's picked you to play, so it's quite clear the manager doesn't really want you to go anywhere.
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  The manager wants you to stay.
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  It's the same with Illum and NJ.
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  All the press are talking about the 11th and 9th, all the press are talking about Harrison Armstrong, and the manager picks you both.
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  That is a clear indication the manager doesn't want you to go in here.
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  In my opinion, anyway, I'm just speaking as a fan out loud here, the manager begging you, wants you to stay, if he's picking you and playing you to start in the team.
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  As a player, does that then put you in a position to go...
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  it's up to me this, if I want to go or if I want to stay.
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  Because if the club accept the bid, like, what would you do?
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  If the club accept the bid for you, the hierarchy accept the bid for you and the manager picks you to play, like, we should have that.
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  Well, the club, if the club ever accept a bid for you,
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  then it's one statement.
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  Right, that's me.
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  I'm off.
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  I've got to go.
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  You might not want to.
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  You might not...
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  I mean, the amount of players I've spoke to down the years at every club, but at our club as well, that didn't necessarily want to go, but club accept a bid and off you go.
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  Credit to them for...
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  for playing as well as they did.
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  They both have a decision to make.
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  If they wanted to stay, they potentially could.
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  I always said to...
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  So I was in the team for a long time, and I always said to my agents, don't be going chasing any moves.
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  As long as I'm playing for Everton, I'm not interested in moving anywhere.
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  I'm not wanting to go.
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  Don't be encouraging offers, don't be listening to offers.
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  And that never happened.
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  And whether that was because of the way the club was at the time, whether that was the club didn't need to sell.
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  But I'd say we were in a worse financial position then.
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  We were always trying to find deals and trying to find situations.
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  So maybe when I'm looking back compared to Harrison Armstrong and maybe Adair now, maybe I wasn't worth enough to sell.
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  Maybe that's why I was at the club for so long.
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  You bloody was.
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  Play hundreds of games I was in the Premier League.
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  There would have been clubs jumping at you and waiting for it to take you.
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  I agree with Tony.
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  Maybe that's why I was at the club for so long.
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  But, yeah, so you're always going to be vital to a manager if you're playing.
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  A manager is never going to play you for as long as he's played Illumina Dian.
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  As long as, well, show him what Harrison's done this season and then decide, right,
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  Now that you've become my main man, I want to sell you.
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  Managers don't do that.
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  They want to bring in people to accompany you.
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  The club, on the other hand, depends on the financial situation.
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  Look, I'm frustrated with us having to sell players at the minute.
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  Or the rumour of Harrison Armstrong, the rumour of Illuminati, which I'm sure we'll get into in a moment.
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  Especially because...
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  Moyes was criticised only like a week ago for not getting us into Europe.
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  And the thought process is, with strength and we're Europe-bound this season.
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  Otherwise, that'll be a disappointment.
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  But now we're taking our... trying to lose our best players before we do.
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  So if we look back in a...
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  in a month's time, maybe we have to sell, maybe the club, because of that, I was literally racking my brains out today, maybe that money we're having to pay Burnley, which is a disgrace.
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  Or maybe... Are we having to pay Burnley that money, don't we?
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  Well, it's... We haven't actually lost in court yet.
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  Have we even gone to court over there?
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  Has it been ruled as it's happened?
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  We can't be sued by an independent club when...
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  a whole big organisation to make the decision.
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  Like, I don't understand that that's possible.
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  Yeah, look, I'm trying to rack my brains for, I'm not, I'm not on the, on the lawyer side of it.
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  I'm not involved in any of that.
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  I don't have any extra insight than anybody.
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  I'm trying to rack my brains to think why we would potentially be open to offers because although Illumin probably does
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  want to go, I think we're all aware that he's probably wanting to leave.
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  He's got three years left or two and a half years left, so we don't sort of have to sell him.
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  If we wanted to keep him, we can do.
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  and go next year.
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  So, and then on top of that, so we're getting into Illyman now.
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  I've always said 80 million's the least I'm prepared to listen to, especially when Savino or Savio, as he's now called, has gone for as much as he's gone.
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  Is it 80 or 100?
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  And you're talking Gakpo could go for 100, and you're talking about...
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  I want more.
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  Yeah, you're talking about these players.
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  I was saying that 80 million's the least you're going to get for someone like Illyman, surely.
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  One thing I will say is... With two and a half, three years left, we're not prepared to listen to offers that don't suit us.
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  One thing I will say is it's fair play to him because he's going on the pitch and performing.
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  He might not want to sign this new contract and he might think he's worth a lot more.
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  And he is worth whatever they can pay him, by the way.
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  But ultimately, this comes down to the simple fact of he's going on the pitch and he's performing.
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  No one can knock the lab for that whether he wants to go whether he doesn't want to go or whether he just wants more money or whether Whatever it is.
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  He's still going on the pitch with all this on his head and still performing So you've got to give him the utmost respect and credit It's now down to the club.
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  I think someone from the club needs to come out and just be really straight and go listen guys This is where we're at.
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  We have to sell a player because we have to pay barely this money or we have to pay them this money or for
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  For financial fair play, we've got to sell.
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  We've got to do this.
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  Someone's got to come out and tell us because we can't just be going, right, we're accepting 40 million quid for Addison Armstrong.
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  This player has got the potential to be an absolute star and he's a baby.
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  And why would we even listen to an offer for 40 million for someone like him?
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  You listen to that offer because it's all profit, because he's come through the academy.
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  So...
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  it's it's it's still not enough cash selling it's still not enough yeah but selling your younger kids is the easiest way to make huge profit that's what makes me think like we need it and whether it's even if you're right tony if the k if it was just information came out to say look our squad is unbalanced at the minute we need a right back and we need a striker and to do that we're gonna have to
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  do this.
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  And it has to happen for us to be able to do that.
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  And we might bring in such a bad... And then we'd at least go, frustrating, that bloody hell.
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  But okay, that's how we're going to progress and move forward.
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  But...
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  As fans, we can only react to the information we're getting.
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  Someone's got a putter state.
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  We kind of need to know.
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  That would certainly make a difference for us because at the minute, the noises that were coming out are frustrating.
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  Because we are a kind that just won't turn up.
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  We just won't go the game.
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  I don't know you know.
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  That's what Scousers, Scousers will do, mate.
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  If they saw that kid, they won't turn up, they won't go to the game.
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  Yeah, no, I know the frustration, but I also know who we are as a fan base, we'll be as frustrated as Hannibal say, we're not going to the game, we're not doing this, we're not doing the game.
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  We'll still turn off.
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  We'll be frustrated.
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  I'm not so sure.
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  We might leave early.
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  We might say, well, I'll tell you what, we're not going to buy a pint in the ground or we're not going to buy merchandise today or we're not going to do this or we're not going to do that.
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  You don't give an explanation for selling that kid, mate.
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  They're in trouble.
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  Everyone's in trouble.
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  Well, they're not now.
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  They're not now.
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  Yeah, they pulled out.
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  Yeah.
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  came out last night that's um yeah but the fact that they accepted the bid puts it there anyway they've accepted the bid and that's the that's the part that's the shot that we can't accept as fans like i you've got to get tell us why you accepted that bid someone's got to come out now and speak someone's got to have a pair of bollocks on them and go i'm going to come out here i'm going to speak to you i'm going to say why we've done this and why we're doing it because you can't just accept a bid because that just shows everyone we're weak as piss
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  It just shows we're just weak.
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  And that can't be said.
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  Everton Football Club can never be seen as a weak football club who just sell the best young prospect to come out in the last decade.
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  The only thing that's come to the academy in a decade and you're going to sell them for 40 million quid.
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  Are you joking me?
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  You accepted the 40 million pound bid.
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  Someone's got to come out and someone's got to be brave and go.
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  The reason we accepted this is because ABC, I don't know what it is, financial fair play.
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  I even forgot about the Burnley thing because I thought it was that absurd.
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  I didn't even take it into context.
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  I didn't think we could be sued by an independent panel or whatever, because if we can be sued, well, I'll tell you what, mate, what can happen to Man City?
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  Are we going to be suing Man City next?
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  So all of these different things, that's just a minefield that no one needs to go into.
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  But when it comes to accepting a £40 million bid for Addison Armstrong, someone's got to do some talking.
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  Someone's got to explain that.
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  I agree.
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  I want to sue City when they beat us in the semi-final of the Carabao Cup, when that ball actually went out of play and they got a goal at their place.
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  And it was a cheating goal on top of all their financial stuff.
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  They've cheated me twice in the semi-final of a cup.
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  So, yeah, I'm ready to sue them.
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  We'll get plenty of that.
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  Do you not think there's any positive... Go on, Sonny.
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  Do you not think there's any positive at all that the board made the U-turn on the Harrison-Armstrong deal and did actually listen to the fan base?
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  Go on, Tom.
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  I think they've got to come out and explain why they accepted it.
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  You can't...
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  It's actually...
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  I can't believe it actually just got this far.
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  Like you can't accept a bid and then go, oh shit, we're gonna go, whoa, we didn't.
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  We were messing.
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  No, we accept that bid, we were messing now.
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  We were just joking.
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  We didn't really.
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  You can't, someone's gotta explain.
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  It worries me in the sense of, do you know like, if you're say a parent and you do something for a reason that you know about, so you do something because you think it's for the best,
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  And then one of your kids who's, you know, an intelligent child, but turns around and says, no, I don't need to do that.
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  You then go, okay, let's do whatever you want, you know, as a parent.
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  So I don't know how I feel about it yet.
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  Do I feel that it's great that they've opened their mind and listened to the fan base of what the fans want?
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  Or sometimes are you doing that because you kind of know best?
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  And do I feel now that any decision moving forward...
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  that the fans that don't agree with, are the fans going to be able to now sort of change the mind of the board as and when it happens?
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  Because as much as we are a passionate fan base, but as many Evertonians as there are, we don't all agree.
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  We've all got different opinions.
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  This is just something where we were united on generally.
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  But what if now we're listening to things that
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  only 55% of the fans are sort of touting and only 60% of the fans rather than...
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  I just find a grey area about it all and I'm not sure how I feel.
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  But on this particular occasion, obviously we didn't want to sell Harrison Armstrong.
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  We want to be a club.
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  We don't want to be a selling club.
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  I think one of the frustrating things is
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  We've been through a really tough period with regards to fighting our way out of relegation and keeping our heads above water and making sure we don't go into the championship.
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  The financial restrictions we had, we went through a period where, you know, the governing body were actually deciding if we can and can't make signings because...
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  because of the situation we got ourselves into, we were so restricted.
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  We had both hands tied behind our back for a number of years.
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  And we feel now we've got into a position where heads above water, we're moving forward.
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  We're now in a position to start, strengthen, and as and when we see fit as a club.
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  And now we're content to still be a selling club.
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  We need to move past that.
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  We're not a selling club anymore.
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  And...
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  There will be players along the way.
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  It looks like Illumina Dye wants to leave the football club.
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  I think he's done it in a pretty decent way.
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  He's not publicly come out and stamped his foot.
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  He's not saying he's not playing in the games.
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  He's done it in a reasonable way.
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  There will be people along the way that want to leave.
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  So you sell them and you get your money back for them.
• 15:52
  But the players that don't want to leave, like Harrison Armstrong, don't be a selling club.
• 15:56
  Don't sell the players who don't want to leave.
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  Only sell the ones that either the manager doesn't want or...
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  the players that don't want to be there.
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  And if you sell the Harrison Armstrongs, we're sending the wrong message about where we see the club going in the next three to five years with returns to building the club.
• 16:12
  Do you know what, Oz?
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  I think a bit differently on this.
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  I think purely every single club in the world, apart from Real Madrid and Barcelona, is a selling club.
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  we're all selling clubs.
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  Because let me just tell you, if Real Madrid or Barcelona come along, or let's just say City come along,
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  whichever player wants, it's going.
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  You're selling.
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  You've got no choice.
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  But unless it's one of them big clubs, then all clubs don't have to be selling clubs.
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  It's when one of the big clubs come calling, I can hold my hands up and go, do you know what, I get it, fair play, go on, go and do it.
• 16:52
  I think what Everton Football Club is, where we are at this moment in time, we're a stepping stone club.
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  And I'm really happy to be that stepping stone because for us to be a stepping stone, you've got to have played brilliantly for Everton Football Club.
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  And I get that.
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  But it's when you see moves like, this was not a good move for Harrison Armstrong.
• 17:12
  This reminds me, right, of Stephen Pienaar going to Tottenham.
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  And you go, this is a sideways move.
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  This is like, this is just not... Is this agents meddling round, pissing about?
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  Is this the club going, when is he for sale?
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  It just stinks of like...
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  No one's really benefiting from this move.
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  And the last place that kid wants to go is Forrest.
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  Why would this kid want to go to Forest where everything's up in the air?
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  No, he doesn't.
• 17:41
  No, that's what I'm saying.
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  He doesn't.
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  That's what my point is.
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  It's not him.
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  So it's not him.
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  So who is he?
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  Because this isn't the kid.
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  The kid doesn't want to go Forest as if he wants to be under a maniac like that Maranacus.
• 17:53
  This fellow walks on the pitch and starts putting it on people's toes.
• 17:56
  I mean, I think he's brilliant.
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  But he's a lunatic.
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  He's a maniac.
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  The fellow was nearly having a straightener on the football pitch with his manager all the time.
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  It was gold.
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  It was TV gold.
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  I thought it was like a sketch out of Only Fools.
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  But if we're just being told, like, it's what's going on at the club.
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  Like years ago with Stephen, going to Spurs and that.
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  I was reckoned with Stephen Spurs and I thought to myself, I get it, it's London.
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  And, you know, I don't know where Spares were at the time, but I can't remember Spares ever really being a more attractive club than Everton, besides the fact of they're in London.
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  That's it.
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  It's like the sideways moves.
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  A Wobie to Fulham.
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  It's a sideways move.
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  You're not better.
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  You're not a better club.
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  You're not a better team.
• 18:41
  No, but it won't be we kind of had to sell.
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  Yeah, I know.
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  I get it.
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  So there's reasons.
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  There's financial fair play.
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  I get these reasons.
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  You're Steven Pienaar and you're Illaman.
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  Like, you're getting frustrated by Harrison Armstrong.
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  I'm going to get it.
• 18:53
  That is not a move that benefits him or us.
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  And he's not wanting it.
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  And the club are doing it, it seems, because we're after the pure profit from it.
• 19:01
  So let's talk Steven Pienaar and Illaman and Dye, which are quite similar in terms of going to spin.
• 19:07
  kind of in his defence was he was out of contract so the move to Spurs I'm pretty sure was free right and we wanted him to sign a new contract and he went there because he was at a certain age in his career where that was his last big financial step and he wasn't going to get that contract at Everton but he could get it at Spurs or he could get it elsewhere and that's where Illuminati is at the minute he's at a certain age okay so I get it just in my opinion at a certain age no no no I get it now
• 19:34
  He could probably minimum double and a half his money for the next few years.
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  So he's thinking about setting that up.
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  And it may go right, it may go wrong.
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  And Spurs are a club that can, it seems, that can pay that.
• 19:48
  I don't know where they're getting the money at the moment.
• 19:50
  They just ruin people.
• 19:51
  The Spazie can ruin everyone.
• 19:53
  The money they've got with wages, the money they've spent this summer, the money that...
• 19:57
  I don't know where they're getting the money considering what the likes of us, Villa, Newcastle are having to deal with financially.
• 20:04
  They're doing what leads to them.
• 20:05
  I'm pretty sure Illiman's wanting to do it for that reason.
• 20:08
  And on your other point, with regards to you don't mind us being a stepping stone club, I get what you're saying, but I think we have to be...
• 20:20
  we have to be the destination for people to come to bring us success.
• 20:24
  Hopefully.
• 20:25
  So, for instance, when Moisey was around the first time and he was signing your Baines, your Jagielkers, your Lescots, who did get a move, just...
• 20:35
  They were an unknown quantist.
• 20:36
  They're like Keane and Juice Bial.
• 20:39
  Yeah, but so Illum and I was that when we signed them.
• 20:44
  But these type of players, right?
• 20:45
  Hayden Hackneys that have done well in the championship.
• 20:48
  These type of players.
• 20:49
  When he brought them in, he said to them all, come and make Everton great.
• 20:53
  Come and play football.
• 20:54
  You can make us great.
• 20:55
  We'll have success together.
• 20:56
  If something comes off the back end, I'll not hold you back.
• 21:00
  However, this is where you're coming to make us great and we're going to be great together.
• 21:05
  Where Roberto...
• 21:06
  So I was speaking to these players and that was the mindset.
• 21:08
  We're in this together as a club.
• 21:10
  We're fighting for each other.
• 21:11
  We're in this for the long term, unless... You know, something like...
• 21:15
  Whereas... Something stupid.
• 21:16
  Whereas then, under Roberto Martinez, speaking to the players in the squad at the time, your Lukaku's...
• 21:23
  the people along them lines, speak to them at a dressing room.
• 21:27
  They were actually sold the stepping stone rather than being sold the promise of come into the club and make us great and we'll do this and something happens afterwards.
• 21:35
  They were getting told, come in, play well for two years and then you can go.
• 21:38
  So already their mindset isn't to be
• 21:41
  with Everton long term and make us great.
• 21:43
  They're thinking, well, if it goes great, I'll get a move.
• 21:46
  If it goes bad, I'll get a move.
• 21:47
  I'm only going to be here in a couple of years.
• 21:49
  So they were never thinking about being with Everton for 10 years.
• 21:51
  I think you have to sell the five to 10 year dream of making Everton good.
• 21:55
  Whereas if you start making us a stepping stone to these players, then it is mercenary stuff.
• 22:00
  They are in and out.
• 22:02
  And that's why David is going to be kept in charge.
• 22:04
  Yeah.
• 22:05
  Yeah, it has to be that kind of mind.
• 22:06
  We cannot become a stepping stone club.
• 22:09
  We're too big for it.
• 22:10
  We're too big to be a stepping stone.
• 22:11
  So even at this moment in our development, in our...
• 22:15
  progression.
• 22:16
  I don't want that mindset within the club.
• 22:19
  I really don't.
• 22:19
  You're absolutely spot on, but we've had that much nonsense coming in and out of the club.
• 22:26
  What Fahad Meshiri done was just insane.
• 22:29
  They've played fantasy football for a decade, and they've just thrown money all over the place thinking that they can solve it all without just putting the right football people in charge.
• 22:38
  It's hard fantasy football.
• 22:39
  I'm rubbish at it.
• 22:40
  My kids keep beating me.
• 22:42
  So it's not easy playing fantasy football.
• 22:44
  But it's shown that for all them years under David Moyes, the consistency that we had with one man in charge, one man in control, he navigated the squad.
• 22:54
  He got an agent squad when he come in the door and he left us with a young squad who were doing really good things and we were getting into the top 10 of the Premier League.
• 23:02
  We were finishing in Europe at times.
• 23:04
  We were doing really well.
• 23:06
  And ever since he left,
• 23:08
  We've had a manager come in, have a good season, then can't replicate it in the second season.
• 23:12
  We haven't had no consistency whatsoever.
• 23:15
  And it's down to what you've just said there.
• 23:18
  Managers coming in, directors of football coming in, all different people moving cogs in the big wheel and going...
• 23:24
  Right, my plan is this, my plan is that, my plan is that.
• 23:27
  And they all just keep changing us.
• 23:29
  They've got to have consistency.
• 23:30
  Get one director of football if that's what you want.
• 23:33
  Then get whatever in place here.
• 23:35
  And yous are all singing off the same hymn sheet.
• 23:37
  But for the last decade, we've had all different people in the club doing all different jobs.
• 23:42
  And we're left with an absolute shower of shit.
• 23:45
  like it does no one knows the role no one knows what to do and who is doing more on this on top of every now now we're supposed to have a group in charge in the frequency are a really good you know businessmen and this is all as we've ever wanted proper football people and proper businessmen do you know the clubs in the world you know what to do and they've got all the football club so it's not the face rodeo they're not taking a chance here we know what to do and then after that
• 24:13
  Let the manager just, let him do what he's done before.
• 24:17
  He's shown he can do it.
• 24:18
  So just let him do it and believe in him and back him.
• 24:21
  Like, we've been through this stuff for so many years and I'm sick of it.
• 24:25
  And when that bid come in for 40 million for Addison-Officer and Alicina got accepted, I just thought, what is going on here?
• 24:31
  Like, what is going on?
• 24:33
  Like, you cannot accept 40 million.
• 24:35
  Now listen, if they bid 100 million, we've all got to listen.
• 24:40
  I'm sorry, we're Evan Football Club, but we've all got to listen to 100 million quid.
• 24:44
  But when 40 million quid comes in for your best juncture you've produced in the last decade and you're going, yeah, we'll have that.
• 24:51
  What the fuck?
• 24:52
  Who's in charge here?
• 24:54
  Someone answer some questions.
• 24:56
  Someone just get on a Zoom and start answering questions.
• 25:01
  So we've got previous...
• 25:03
  So if I go back a good few years ago, we did have Anthony Gordon, right?
• 25:10
  So we've got previous of knowing the steps that this could potentially be on.
• 25:14
  So Antigua, we sold full 40 million.
• 25:16
  I'm pretty sure it was.
• 25:17
  35, 40 million.
• 25:18
  Two years later, he's worth 80 million.
• 25:23
  Three years later, he's worth 80 million.
• 25:24
  He's now gone to Barcelona.
• 25:25
  So...
• 25:26
  So if we keep hold of this young kid, so the progression is there, the opportunity to show what he's capable is there.
• 25:33
  If we could see this journey, we could see us letting him go now for 40 million.
• 25:38
  In the same way Forrest took Elliot Anderson and took a kid for 15 million quid and sold him for 100 million quid.
• 25:46
  We've had this happen to us before.
• 25:49
  We've had it happen as far back as Wayne Rooney, who obviously we had to sell for a huge amount of money to save the club.
• 25:55
  But we've had this progression before when we've seen young kids come through.
• 25:58
  We've let them go to take their money now and they've gone on to be...
• 26:02
  Whether you think they're superstars or not, they've gone on to be a lot more expensive and worth a lot more.
• 26:07
  That actually, despite us bringing them through in the academy, it's other teams that are actually getting the better financial benefit of it because they saw the opportunity and we sold too quickly.
• 26:18
  So that's the worry about these kind of things.
• 26:21
  You don't want it to happen.
• 26:22
  And then you talk about the frequent group who are all delighted that they've come in and you say the business acumen of...
• 26:29
  of running clubs before and understanding the situation.
• 26:32
  But it's these kind of moments that you question, are we their number one priority?
• 26:37
  Are Roma their number one priority?
• 26:39
  Is this their number one priority?
• 26:41
  Because within it all,
• 26:44
  Certainly within different people, and maybe there's five, six people at the top, and two of them are now massive Evertonians, and two of them are over.
• 26:50
  But within each person within the hierarchy, there'll be a favourite club.
• 26:54
  There's no way you're having...
• 26:57
  Despite this, Tony, right?
• 26:59
  I'd never admit...
• 27:00
  But everyone's got a favourite kid.
• 27:02
  Come on, everyone's got their own favourite kid.
• 27:03
  You love all your kids.
• 27:05
  You do, you love all your kids, but everyone's got their own favourites.
• 27:07
  My wife changes every single week who her favourite is, depending on who treats her the best.
• 27:11
  So even for whatever reason...
• 27:13
  You've got your own favourite kid, Tony, and I know yours is.
• 27:16
  But it's about the free kid group and how they sort of see Everton within their setup.
• 27:24
  Are we their favourite kid?
• 27:26
  And if not, then you're always worrying about these type of deals and these situations and where you think they're going to go.
• 27:34
  Yeah.
• 27:35
  Yeah, something doesn't add up for me in terms of... Because I'm trying to look at it through their point of view, which is going to be a business decision.
• 27:42
  Both of those deals, the Armstrong one and...
• 27:46
  and I we're losing value that Armstrong is gonna is gonna be worth more in a year or two and I is not a 60 million pound player he's a 80 85 million pound not with look not with not with three years left on his contract if he had a year left in his contract he would probably have some for 30 35 which with 18 months left in his contract was still arguing for 50 55.
• 28:11
  Two and a half years, three years left on his contract.
• 28:13
  He's an £80 million player.
• 28:14
  He's an £80 million player, minimum.
• 28:18
  Purely honest stats alone, he's an £80 million player.
• 28:20
  Purely honest statistics.
• 28:21
  Just go off.
• 28:23
  They all go on this data and this nonsense and this shite.
• 28:25
  If you're going off that, Illuminant Dye is an £80 million player because he's more consistent and he does more miles and he does more tracking than any other player in his position.
• 28:35
  So if Cody Gakpo's worth whatever he is, Illuminant Dye is worth £100 million.
• 28:39
  The only thing I'd say about Illuminati in terms of, if you're talking data, like he plays every game.
• 28:46
  He is arguably our best player every game is the way he glides with the ball.
• 28:51
  Every time you're watching with your eye test, he's outstanding.
• 28:55
  What I will say is,
• 28:57
  He should be capable of scoring 15 goals a season.
• 29:00
  And he should be capable of getting 15 assists a season.
• 29:04
  And he doesn't... That's the one part of his game that lets him down.
• 29:07
  But I don't think it lets him down to bringing him back to be a £60 million player when I'm looking at your Savios or your Savios or your Marmouche or all of these type of players.
• 29:17
  He's not...
• 29:18
  It doesn't lower his wage in that sense, but that's the moment of... That's the part of his game he has to kick on.
• 29:25
  That's the whole part of the game that holds him back.
• 29:28
  Oh, Q. I beg your pardon.
• 29:32
  Oz, Illumin and Dai at City is a 15-goal-a-year player.
• 29:37
  Is a 15-assist player a year.
• 29:39
  Illuminati at Arsenal Football Club is a 15th goal a year and a 15th goal because it's the quality that he'll have around him.
• 29:48
  And, you know, not worrying about a different right-back playing with him every week or a different left-back player, you know.
• 29:54
  You know when your eyes don't lie to you.
• 29:57
  You know when you're watching Illuminati what you've got.
• 30:00
  We all see it.
• 30:00
  We've seen it from the minute he walked in the door.
• 30:03
  He's quality.
• 30:04
  He's the only player I've seen in years now
• 30:07
  who wants to win it back as much as he wants to go and score.
• 30:11
  I find that so hard to find.
• 30:13
  I believe he's winning the ball back at parts last year.
• 30:16
  See, I didn't even know that.
• 30:18
  I don't even know that.
• 30:18
  But my eyes don't tell me lies.
• 30:20
  And I know what I'm seeing when I watch him play.
• 30:23
  He is a player who just, the minute he loses that ball, he's on you.
• 30:27
  He's all over you like a rash.
• 30:28
  He's the premiership's Tasmanian devil.
• 30:32
  he just he does not he doesn't stop he's up and down that line he works his absolute bollocks off i rate him so highly and and i rate him even more highly now as a person even because if he does want this move and the way you've explained it to me that's brilliant i i get it now i finally understand it and if he does he deserves to get what he can possibly get but the way he's conducting himself and the way he's going on a pitch every week show him you know what lad you're a proper
• 30:58
  You're proper because you're playing your bollocks off and working your arse off.
• 31:01
  No, I'm full well.
• 31:03
  You don't have to.
• 31:04
  You could kick up a fuss here.
• 31:05
  You could throw your dummy out the pram.
• 31:07
  And that, for me, speaks volumes of the lad it really does.
• 31:11
  I think one thing, despite it was frustrating, there was links around Saudi, wasn't there?
• 31:16
  There was links of him going to Saudi, and that is literally taking the money.
• 31:20
  But it also seems he wants a balance in terms of...
• 31:22
  He does want more, but he doesn't want to leave the Premier League.
• 31:25
  He still wants to play at a proper competitive level.
• 31:28
  He wants to win things over it.
• 31:30
  He wants to do all this.
• 31:31
  So that's fair play, Tim.
• 31:33
  Let's talk about then...
• 31:35
  who we potentially bring in if if he goes and we're still talking potential at the moment the transfer window is not for a day or two you know if it's talking where he's going do you know if it's talking where he's going right i'll just throw one at you and i'll be first i'm sorry to put him but conor gallagher i think he's a good player he hasn't long gone there and i'm telling you now i like him i think he's a good player i don't
• 32:00
  I don't think we get him, though, especially since... No, I don't, but, you know, it's just worth teaching.
• 32:06
  All right, I wouldn't mind, you know, Mbappe.
• 32:10
  Fuck off us.
• 32:12
  I like him.
• 32:13
  You just compared Mbappe to Conor Gallagher.
• 32:15
  Would you piss off?
• 32:15
  He's got a little bit of him, you know.
• 32:17
  He's got a little bit.
• 32:18
  Fuck it, let's just get Vinny.
• 32:20
  Let's just get Vinny Jr. then.
• 32:22
  If we're talking realistic, the people we're rumoured to be getting is Kenny Tete, right back, Richarlison, potentially Jack Grealish on loan.
• 32:31
  So let's start with Richarlison because it's linked to Illumina Dai and carry on talking about money in terms of if Dai's 60 million, the rumours are Richarlison's 35 million.
• 32:46
  We sold him for 50, a couple of years, three or four years back when he was in his prime.
• 32:51
  He's now through his prime, and we're rumoured to be getting him at 35.
• 32:55
  It's a joke.
• 32:56
  Struggling with the numbers here.
• 32:58
  Taking the piss out of us.
• 32:59
  It doesn't make any sense at all.
• 33:01
  First and foremost, Tony, would you take him back as a fan?
• 33:05
  I'll take him on a free, absolutely.
• 33:07
  On a free?
• 33:08
  You wouldn't take him to pay for it at all?
• 33:10
  I mean, we were talking, Liam, we were in the conversation probably a month ago about would we take the Charleston back, and we all said, yeah.
• 33:16
  I would take him for £20 million would be my price tag, £15-20 million.
• 33:22
  Given his injury rate in the last few seasons and where he's at, and he's a little bit older, £15-20 million would have been for me.
• 33:29
  £35 million doesn't make sense at all.
• 33:31
  Let's just, Oz, just to touch upon what you said, and as we all know, you're the footballer here, so this is the sense speaking.
• 33:37
  Your words were...
• 33:39
  Now, I love Jack Grealish, and I want to see him back.
• 33:42
  But what you said last week, it resonates.
• 33:46
  It sits at me really well, and I think you're absolutely spot on.
• 33:49
  I want to see these youngsters play.
• 33:51
  I want to see Tyreek George playing every week.
• 33:53
  I want to see Tyra Dibblum playing all the time.
• 33:57
  I want to see them getting minutes on the pitch, because we bought you.
• 34:01
  and we spent an awful lot of money on you boys and although yes, your best years are gonna come, you know what lad, I wanna see it improving on the pitch in front of my eyes, I don't wanna see it improving on the training ground, I wanna see it on the pitch.
• 34:13
  And if it means going,
• 34:15
  leaving other people on the side, then so be it.
• 34:18
  Because I'm open that we aren't this stepping stone club, that I've got this thing in my head that we are.
• 34:25
  And they're here for the good us, they're here for the long goal.
• 34:28
  And if they're gonna be here for the long goal, I wanna see them on the pitch.
• 34:31
  So I wanna see more of them.
• 34:33
  I just think Richie comes back.
• 34:36
  Richie's not a number nine.
• 34:38
  So let's all just get that out of it.
• 34:40
  He's never been a number nine.
• 34:41
  And I love Richarlison.
• 34:43
  He's brilliant at what he does.
• 34:45
  And he was fantastic in his spell at Everton.
• 34:47
  But we sold him at his absolute peak.
• 34:49
  We ain't getting that version of Richarlison back.
• 34:52
  So everyone's just got to be aware of that.
• 34:54
  He hasn't shown what he's shown at us once at Tottenham.
• 34:57
  And that might be because he's not happy, because he's not feeling the love or whatever.
• 35:01
  But ultimately, his closest compatriot at the club was Yeri Mina.
• 35:06
  He's gone as well.
• 35:07
  So he's coming into a completely different building.
• 35:10
  Under a completely different regime.
• 35:12
  Under a completely different set up.
• 35:13
  He might not like it when he comes back.
• 35:16
  And no one's got a fairy.
• 35:18
  A magic wand to say.
• 35:19
  It's all going to be just like it was.
• 35:21
  It's not.
• 35:22
  So everyone's got to understand that.
• 35:24
  No one's got a fairy.
• 35:25
  She's down the stairs.
• 35:26
  Her name's Rachel.
• 35:27
  But we've got to get out of this.
• 35:32
  When he let us go, he was probably our most important player and we got a good load of money for him.
• 35:37
  Well done.
• 35:37
  Clap your hands.
• 35:39
  OK, why are you taking him back?
• 35:41
  Because he's not what he was when he left.
• 35:43
  By the way, I do want him back and I'll have him.
• 35:46
  But make no mistake, he's not the answer.
• 35:51
  He's not the nine.
• 35:52
  He's not the nine who's getting you 20 goals.
• 35:54
  He's not the nine who's getting you 15 goals.
• 35:56
  He's a 10.
• 35:56
  Can he give us a short-term answer?
• 35:58
  I agree with you in terms of... Where are you playing him, Oz?
• 36:00
  Where are you playing him?
• 36:02
  We have to play him.
• 36:03
  We play him a number nine.
• 36:04
  He can't play anywhere else.
• 36:04
  Oz, he's not a nine.
• 36:06
  Oz, he's not a nine.
• 36:07
  He's not a nine in terms of...
• 36:08
  He's never been a nine.
• 36:10
  He's best running onto the ball.
• 36:11
  He's not great at holding the ball up.
• 36:13
  But what I say is he's certainly not worse than the two we've got at the minute of holding the ball up.
• 36:19
  I wouldn't say he's worse.
• 36:21
  uh he's not showing that form like barely's been in really good you know he's doing well i'm not i'm not saying you know i know he's got like four goals and what we're going to say three games i know that i'm attic against president and we expected that but the charleston's not the answer i'm sorry i i'm fans might not want to hear this or whatever but if if you're bringing in someone as a nine bring a nine bring a nine black bring it you know
• 36:51
  Liam De Lapp's a nine.
• 36:54
  That's a nine.
• 36:54
  I'm not saying he's brilliant, because I don't know how good he's going to be.
• 36:57
  But Liam De Lapp's a nine.
• 36:59
  Richarlison's not a nine.
• 37:01
  Richarlison's a ten, and everyone knows he's a ten.
• 37:03
  And we've got, and with all due respect, we've got a better ten in Keenan Jewsby Hall.
• 37:09
  So I just don't see how it works.
• 37:12
  I'm trying to keep the nostalgia away.
• 37:15
  He hates cop heights and he's horrible and he adds sides to his game that I absolutely love and adore him.
• 37:20
  But if I'm just purely looking at it from a proper footballing view, I haven't got a clue.
• 37:26
  But from what I do know is he's not the one I was...
• 37:30
  I agree that he's not a proper number nine.
• 37:33
  I think that's where he's sort of struggled.
• 37:34
  But we wouldn't be bringing him in and playing out wide.
• 37:36
  We've got too many players in those positions.
• 37:39
  The one I thought we could have got, to be fair, the transfer window's open, but would have been Chris Wood.
• 37:45
  I know he was injured last year, but he's a number nine.
• 37:47
  In fact, I wanted De Lapp.
• 37:49
  I think we all know I wanted De Lapp.
• 37:50
  But once De Lapp goes to there, to Forrest, and they've already got Igor Jesus who's playing, and now they've got Chris Wood as well.
• 37:56
  They've got three number nines.
• 37:58
  I'm thinking, and Wood's not played the first couple of games.
• 38:01
  I was thinking, could we get him as a number nine?
• 38:05
  He'll hold the ball up.
• 38:06
  He'll be in the box.
• 38:07
  Loves a cross.
• 38:09
  Loves a flick on.
• 38:10
  Does all this kind of stuff.
• 38:12
  I wouldn't have minded trying to get in, but it all depends on the price.
• 38:15
  But you're right, he is a number nine.
• 38:17
  But I think we're also, you don't mind taking Richarlison in terms of, but it just seems very expensive for what we're getting.
• 38:29
  And then you put that in tow with the Richarlison, sorry, with the Illuminant Ideal and then,
• 38:39
  I mean, we did brilliant business with Brennan Johnson and Dwight McNeil in terms of that swap.
• 38:45
  We did brilliant business.
• 38:47
  This one feels that Tottenham would be doing brilliant business.
• 38:51
  It doesn't feel like we're getting the best.
• 38:53
  It doesn't feel like we're getting the better of this deal.
• 38:56
  And you've heard the story to Beto to Fiorentina.
• 38:58
  Yeah, about 15 million.
• 39:00
  I'm hearing that one as well.
• 39:01
  How much?
• 39:03
  15 million, apparently.
• 39:07
  say what you want about Beto he's a beautiful presence it'll be upset to let him go in terms of he's a bit of a cult hero now because we all just in the same way Stracolace was he comes in, he gives his all he's not quite up to what we need him to be
• 39:25
  Well, you can't say he doesn't try when he's on.
• 39:27
  Like, he goes in, he flies around, he does all that.
• 39:30
  And we were supposed to be...
• 39:33
  There was talk that we paid £25 million for him, but I also heard that there was only like £6 million initial outlay and everything else was add-ons, which I'm not sure how far up the add-on trail we got with him.
• 39:44
  Can't have been that far, if we're being honest.
• 39:46
  So I don't know the official sort of fee that we paid.
• 39:49
  Maybe £15 million covers it, but...
• 39:52
  I don't think that's bad in terms of just getting a couple of quid for somebody who you're not really going to be using an awful lot.
• 40:00
  I think Tiano Barry's doing great, and I think that the more confident that boy gets, the better he's going to be.
• 40:07
  But there's no point in sitting here lying.
• 40:09
  Do I think he's the number nine for Everton?
• 40:11
  No.
• 40:13
  I mean... No, well, Bourne matured.
• 40:15
  He actually played OK, hold the ball up, better than normal.
• 40:17
  His runs, he was actually making some good runs.
• 40:20
  His all-round game was OK.
• 40:23
  In fact, better than OK.
• 40:24
  But you need your number nine to take chances.
• 40:26
  When you go away, you need your number nine to score goals.
• 40:29
  He had three brilliant, like...
• 40:32
  He should have scored a hat-trick and he scored none.
• 40:35
  And if he scores one...
• 40:37
  in the moments that we were on top.
• 40:38
  It potentially changes the game, we potentially run away with it.
• 40:41
  The goals change games.
• 40:43
  He could have, he should have scored at least two and he come off the pitch and he hadn't scored any.
• 40:48
  Who's the best finisher I've used with?
• 40:51
  As a team behind them, now you're like, we're playing really well as a team.
• 40:55
  We're playing good football.
• 40:56
  We're playing through the lines.
• 40:57
  We're playing back to front.
• 40:58
  I mean, even our defending was brilliant, hanging in there to all their blocks.
• 41:02
  Mikhellenko's been getting a big stick.
• 41:04
  Brilliant blocks, hanging in there.
• 41:05
  Jordan's safe.
• 41:07
  To make sure that we can do it at the other end.
• 41:10
  Now, if you're turning to the top end of the picture going,
• 41:12
  Why does it take your centre half to score?
• 41:14
  We've got enough second talent up there.
• 41:16
  Go score.
• 41:17
  So it does frustrate you in that sense.
• 41:20
  being a player and being as good as you was in the hundreds of games you've played of all the forwards that you play with who do you liken him to and was there a moment where he goes he's turned it round now have you seen a player you said Stracolese but you've likened him to Beto is there anyone you can liken Tieno Barry to and go but it did turn round for him just give me some hope please
• 41:49
  Not at the first team level.
• 41:54
  Maybe he's not quite ready.
• 41:56
  Because, look, when I got on the team, I think... Kevin Campbell and Big Dunk were our strikers at first.
• 42:02
  And then we signed...
• 42:05
  Marcus Bent for a year.
• 42:06
  It was better than people gave me credit for, especially with the system and the style of play that we had.
• 42:11
  And then we moved on to James Beattie, who was already an established striker.
• 42:16
  It didn't work out long term for us, but...
• 42:18
  he still knew where the goal was.
• 42:20
  Andy Johnson, we paid money for.
• 42:22
  Different striker, but give him a chance, he scored it.
• 42:25
  He was a poacher.
• 42:26
  And then we had Yucubu, Luis Zaha, probably moving on to Jelovic, Lukaku.
• 42:34
  You know, you're talking about...
• 42:35
  We actually had some really good strikers, despite... Beckford was good, Os.
• 42:40
  Oh, Jermaine Beckford as well, we had for a year as well, beg your pardon.
• 42:43
  And even with Bex, so maybe Jermaine Beckford.
• 42:46
  But the thing with all of them and Beckford in particular, Beckford didn't need many chances to score a goal, despite...
• 42:53
  whatever limitations you felt he had about his game, in the same way Barry, pretty much all the strikers I've just mentioned, they're scoring one out of two chances minimum.
• 43:02
  Some of them two out of three, which is a good rate.
• 43:06
  And that changes your team.
• 43:07
  Your striker scores goals, your team look good.
• 43:10
  You can be on the attack, you can defend, you can take opportunities as they come.
• 43:15
  So the striker and goalkeeper are two of the most important places on the pitch.
• 43:20
  We've got a goalkeeper.
• 43:21
  He does sensational for us every week.
• 43:24
  If we had a striker, if we had a striker, I think we could...
• 43:27
  I think we're ready to make steps forward.
• 43:28
  I have learned we were linked to Balogun as well.
• 43:33
  The American.
• 43:35
  Yeah, who... Dear American, I have the worst fears.
• 43:39
  I hate American.
• 43:41
  I just think of that fella.
• 43:42
  What's his name on the show?
• 43:44
  Ted Lasso.
• 43:45
  Yeah.
• 43:45
  You leave Ted Lasso alone.
• 43:47
  I know, mate.
• 43:47
  I like Ted Lasso.
• 43:49
  I know, but when they're American.
• 43:50
  I've got to be honest, but I think it's hilarious.
• 43:54
  I know what you're thinking, though.
• 43:55
  Who's a good American footballer, lads?
• 43:57
  Come on.
• 43:58
  Look, they believe, they believe, they believe that they can win.
• 44:02
  That's their biggest sing song that they sing.
• 44:06
  I don't care if they believe.
• 44:08
  They've shown me absolutely nothing.
• 44:11
  Like, who's good enough for the Premier League?
• 44:13
  Bolligan's actually...
• 44:14
  He's not bad.
• 44:15
  I don't know if he's...
• 44:17
  I don't know where he's going.
• 44:18
  Who's he playing for right now, us?
• 44:21
  He's in France, is it?
• 44:23
  How many goals he scored in France?
• 44:26
  Monaco and Marseille, OK. How many goals he scored in France?
• 44:28
  Anyone got an idea?
• 44:28
  I can't remember who he's playing for, but he's...
• 44:30
  I don't know, but he's... Me mate said he was all right in the World Cup.
• 44:34
  I'm sure he was at Arsenal in his youth before going there.
• 44:38
  If Dave Lennon got that, that's not a good sign, is he?
• 44:41
  I don't know if he's physically as strong as we'd need as a striker.
• 44:45
  I'd probably compare it to signing Jesus at the top and hoping he can hold the ball up.
• 44:50
  Because we need someone who can hold the ball up.
• 44:52
  Romelu Lukaku was going last week.
• 44:55
  Oh no, he's tugging caravans in at the minute.
• 44:58
  He can't move.
• 45:00
  He can't move.
• 45:01
  Just give me something.
• 45:02
  Give me something.
• 45:05
  I like Barry.
• 45:05
  I'm back in him.
• 45:06
  I'm sticking with him.
• 45:07
  I think he's going to get more goals.
• 45:12
  Most informed striker in the world, wasn't he, last week?
• 45:15
  Yeah, he's dropped the peg off.
• 45:18
  I was telling everyone that, Tav.
• 45:21
  Why do we think we never went for the lap?
• 45:24
  Or do you think we did?
• 45:26
  Probably 50 million.
• 45:28
  I know, but if you're accepting bids for £40 million for your highest, for the best kid to come out of the academy in 10 years, then surely that £40 million... Because they're all talking.
• 45:36
  We all know this.
• 45:37
  We're not stupid as fans.
• 45:38
  They're all chatting and yapping the shite to each other.
• 45:41
  We're on the final day today.
• 45:42
  We all know what's coming.
• 45:43
  All the big rush and the madness is going to ensue now.
• 45:46
  Liam De Lapp's known he's gone from Chelsea for a while.
• 45:49
  He's known.
• 45:50
  And his agents and his team have all known.
• 45:52
  Chelsea have known.
• 45:53
  Like, we...
• 45:56
  we all know, everyone knows, we need a right back, we need goals.
• 46:01
  Simple.
• 46:02
  It's not rocket science.
• 46:04
  And, if we know it, believe you me, David Moyes knew it the minute he walked through the door.
• 46:07
  Like, he knew it when he was watching us around a long ago.
• 46:10
  So, like, what's going on?
• 46:13
  Well, it tells me, if we're having to sell Anderson Armstrong in the way and the manner that it happened, it's,
• 46:19
  that tells me that we can't afford to pay 50 million for a player without getting money in.
• 46:26
  So I just feel, it seems to me right now that
• 46:30
  I don't know, but just the sense of we're trying to sell Armstrong a few days early, probably so that we've now got money to spend elsewhere.
• 46:37
  So now maybe it's in dire, maybe Spurs now go, we know that you're having to sell.
• 46:41
  Maybe that's why they've done a deal on us, because they might know something that we don't, that we have to sell, so they know we have to push it through.
• 46:49
  So maybe that's part of why we think he's going cheap, and maybe that's why Richarlison's price type has gone up.
• 46:55
  Would anyone entertain Solanke?
• 46:58
  Yeah, I would.
• 47:00
  They won't let him go, though.
• 47:01
  No.
• 47:02
  I'm not sure, you know.
• 47:03
  I'm not sure about that.
• 47:05
  Really?
• 47:05
  How much did he pay for him?
• 47:08
  Oh, I don't remember.
• 47:10
  70?
• 47:10
  Not after the top of me, Ed.
• 47:12
  No, I went... 67 was, you know, it was a few quid.
• 47:15
  He had a big season at Bournemouth, didn't he?
• 47:17
  He was slotting for fun.
• 47:19
  And he went to Tottenham for good money, you know.
• 47:22
  But if you said that, I mean, Oz, you're entertaining Solanke?
• 47:26
  Absolutely.
• 47:27
  I'd love to have that.
• 47:29
  Now you're talking number nines.
• 47:30
  Now you're talking people who can hold the ball up.
• 47:33
  And ultimately, I think that's what we need.
• 47:35
  I think if we've got a striker that can hold the ball up, and you can trust them to hold the ball up,
• 47:42
  then I think our wide men have potential to actually make runs in behind and get in better positions early, rather than we're not quite sure if the ball's getting holed up.
• 47:51
  We have to all build up slowly.
• 47:53
  The wide man can get into position.
• 47:56
  But then, again, talking about the other potential, we'll come to Kenny Tetty in a minute, who just seems to be a right back that is available.
• 48:04
  I'm not sure he's outstanding.
• 48:06
  I'm not sure he's very good.
• 48:07
  He can't get a game for Fulham.
• 48:08
  But it's a right back.
• 48:10
  It's a body.
• 48:11
  It's a number.
• 48:12
  And I'm hearing nine million, which is a decent price in today's market.
• 48:17
  But Jack Reel is back on loan, Tony.
• 48:20
  Inc, if we could do that, and we're just talking about the balance of letting the young kids play versus bringing Jack back.
• 48:27
  But if Illiman goes and we're getting Jack back, are you happy with that?
• 48:34
  Yeah, definitely.
• 48:35
  I mean, I just want Jack O'Dooghue in the building because the more quality we have, the better.
• 48:40
  I just think he's a quality footballer.
• 48:42
  Like, you've seen the past.
• 48:44
  Last season, he was brilliant.
• 48:46
  He plays half a season for us and he's still the second most foul player in the whole league at the end of the season.
• 48:51
  He only played half a season.
• 48:53
  He has that much of an impact.
• 48:54
  He's just brilliant.
• 48:55
  He's fantastic.
• 48:56
  He's going to help the youngsters come on.
• 48:59
  And then, listen, if you lose and then die, he's got to come in.
• 49:04
  Like he's got to come in.
• 49:05
  There's just no two ways about it.
• 49:06
  If you're not losing and die, I still want him in, but I'm just not sure.
• 49:10
  I think you can tweak a system to fit him in.
• 49:12
  Because I still want, I want to see Tyreek George playing every week.
• 49:16
  I think that kid's got a lot of ability.
• 49:18
  You know, he penetrates, he gets in behind people and I just think he's dangerous.
• 49:22
  He really is.
• 49:23
  I think Tyler Dibblin will get better.
• 49:25
  Here's the thing with that, right?
• 49:27
  First of all, I think if Grealish and Richarlison come in, I think that's a decent link in the way Grealish comes in and, to as we hold, makes that run or Richarlison makes that run.
• 49:35
  Then you've got Brennan Johnson maybe flying at the far post, you've got all of this type of stuff.
• 49:40
  It could definitely work.
• 49:41
  But with a lemon and die...
• 49:44
  The one thing he can do is, he can, I think he's strongest off the left, but you can move him over to the right, and he does just as good a job there, and he could do this.
• 49:53
  So then you could give Tyreek George a run of games and put Dier on the right.
• 49:58
  Then you could move Dier to the left and you could give Brennan Johnson a run of games or Tyler Dibblin a run of games.
• 50:02
  Then you can, if Willem and Dier's feet, you can move him.
• 50:05
  Jack Grealish just plays off the left primarily, which means that Tyreek George suddenly is fighting for his position.
• 50:13
  He's probably becoming a bit part player again, unless he learns to go and play on the right, which he's not as effective.
• 50:19
  So now it's one or the other there.
• 50:21
  It's one or the other between Brennan Johnson
• 50:24
  and Tyler Dibblom, which isn't the worst thing in the world.
• 50:26
  We've got two on each side now, which is good for balance and good moving forward.
• 50:31
  But suddenly our young players now really have to fight for position again.
• 50:36
  And look, fighting for your position is a good thing in terms of you have to perform and you have to sort of be at your best to get a run.
• 50:46
  But there is also a balance that when you are on the pitch, you have to be comfortable enough.
• 50:53
  that you're not just going to get dragged off or you're not going to lose your place for three days.
• 50:56
  You have to be comfortable enough to be able to try things and make mistakes.
• 50:59
  You have to be able to make mistakes trying things and not think, well, I'm going on the pitch and I'm not allowed to make a mistake because I'll not get another chance.
• 51:07
  So you have to feel comfortable to make a mistake.
• 51:10
  That's about how the manager handles that because we'd all love to look back at the end of the season, Grealish and Grealish,
• 51:16
  Johnson have played if that is the case most of the things we've qualified for Europe the young kids have done a little bit but we're not that bad because we've qualified for Europe because next season there'll be loads more games and they'll be used we'll take that but we also like to see our young kids play and we want to see them getting minutes we want to see them getting time we want to see them develop and Jack only plays off the left but I do think we need them if we lose Elliman so I've gone round in the circle there to say absolutely nothing So what if we don't lose Elliman?
• 51:46
  I still don't want him.
• 51:48
  Yeah, I'd agree with that.
• 51:50
  I don't think they'd sell really without the idea of getting Jack back either.
• 51:55
  But we need to make sure, which we've also seen,
• 51:59
  that we don't leave until the last minute and we let these players go and we're too late to get our deal over there.
• 52:04
  Us, us.
• 52:05
  Everything needs to be on the provisal of that.
• 52:07
  It's today.
• 52:08
  What?
• 52:08
  We're at the last minute.
• 52:09
  It's today.
• 52:10
  So we're already here.
• 52:11
  It's everything.
• 52:13
  That's it.
• 52:13
  We're at the last minute.
• 52:14
  We're here.
• 52:15
  And we're talking.
• 52:16
  And we don't know.
• 52:16
  None of us know.
• 52:18
  It's a shit show.
• 52:20
  It's a shit show.
• 52:21
  Why don't you go down to Finch Farm?
• 52:23
  Just hang around.
• 52:24
  and start telling people to get stuff done.
• 52:27
  That could be the answer.
• 52:28
  It's not my job, mate.
• 52:30
  It's not my job.
• 52:31
  Someone's got to address us as fans.
• 52:33
  Someone's got to come out.
• 52:34
  Someone literally has to come out in the next 24 hours and go, guys, this is why this was done, this is why that was done.
• 52:40
  It's got to be done, Os.
• 52:41
  Someone's got to do it.
• 52:44
  I genuinely believe we need to understand why £40 million bid was accepted for Harrison Armstrong.
• 52:50
  Like, we need to know.
• 52:51
  The fans need to know.
• 52:52
  Like, what was the thought process behind that?
• 52:54
  And everyone will accept it if someone just comes out and goes, it could be this Bernie thing, it could be that.
• 53:00
  Everyone will go, you know what, Fair Play, we understand and we get it now.
• 53:03
  But you've seen the kickback we give you, but we're letting you know it's okay.
• 53:08
  Or someone just goes, we value him at that.
• 53:11
  And then that's a different conversation.
• 53:12
  We all go, how the fuck are you valuing a kid?
• 53:15
  I think his value now is that his value now is that but we're looking at his potential It's not us Oz it's not He's 19 so what I'm saying is if you were judging if you forgot his age and you didn't know he could be 21 he could be 30 and you're judging about what he's doing right now you'd say maybe a £40 million player but the way the world monitors now the way the world does you actually judge potential as well so if you're judging his potential then it doubles minimum Exactly that's what I'm saying so he's not a £40 million player is he?
• 53:43
  Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, if you're judging potential.
• 53:48
  But that's... Yeah, but you've got to take it into consideration.
• 53:54
  Maybe they'll come out in a few days and tell us what's what.
• 53:57
  Maybe they will because you don't want to...
• 53:59
  They've probably got a bit on their mind today, tomorrow with all the transfer things.
• 54:05
  I get it, they've all got jobs to do.
• 54:06
  I thought Moisey's handling it well.
• 54:08
  His press conference and the way he sort of looked disappointed.
• 54:14
  The way they asked him questions in the press conference after the Bournemouth game and he was...
• 54:19
  You could see there was things he could answer, there was things he couldn't, and he was sort of saying, I won't.
• 54:24
  And then he just suddenly said, what I will tell you is, I'm an Evertonian.
• 54:29
  And we all understood what that meant, despite what's going on behind the scenes.
• 54:35
  And despite those people who don't like David Moyes or don't think he's the club lead right now, there are people, there are a lot of us that think he is.
• 54:43
  We all respect that and say, even if he gets it right or wrong, he is trying to do the best for the football club.
• 54:50
  And we should all know that because of the time he's put in.
• 54:53
  The time and what Everton Football Club means to him, everyone should understand that.
• 54:58
  He wants what's best for Everton Football Club.
• 55:01
  And it tells you that when he's starting the players who are trying to be sold.
• 55:07
  For me, that speaks volumes.
• 55:09
  The minute he puts Addison Armstrong on that pitch, it puts people on and go, look, I'm not giving into this.
• 55:14
  Because ideally, when you've accepted that bid, as you know how football works, once that bid's accepted, that boy shouldn't really be on that pitch.
• 55:24
  Yeah, quite often because then you're protecting the move and you're protecting the investment.
• 55:28
  Whereas Eden wanted to move, wants them to play.
• 55:31
  Credit to them all for that.
• 55:34
  And credit.
• 55:34
  I mean, the...
• 55:36
  All the press conferences done lately seem to make a little bit more sense now in his demeanour and the way he's come across in them all.
• 55:45
  Just got to back him.
• 55:46
  Hopefully, yeah.
• 55:48
  This window could be... Look, this next day or two, whatever it is, before the window closes, is going to define our season.
• 55:57
  It is.
• 55:58
  You can say we're going to have a good season, we can all expect to have a good season, we can all back the manager, not back the manager.
• 56:05
  But there are plans in place when you're a manager and you're a team and you're a squad where people are going to play through the season, how you're going to develop, how you're going to go.
• 56:13
  And if players are taken off you or players are moved in or you don't get the players you need that you know you do or players are removed, it changes the outlook of the season.
• 56:21
  It did years ago when we were part of squads and we lost Cale one year, we lost Arteta on the deadline, we lost Pinar, as you mentioned, and suddenly you're...
• 56:31
  Having progressed for a few years and getting better and better, suddenly you stagnate for basically a year.
• 56:38
  And so you can then get to the point where you can start strengthening again.
• 56:41
  I've been through it.
• 56:43
  If you get through the transfer window and it doesn't go your way, you can stagnate.
• 56:46
  However.
• 56:48
  I was part of five, I think, five different David Moyes teams that we built and then we probably lost a couple and then we built and then we lost a couple.
• 56:58
  So I still believe he can do it, but I don't want us to stagnate right now.
• 57:01
  I want us to bring in the right people so we can have a kick on season.
• 57:05
  We deserve it.
• 57:05
  Oz, I'm trying to think when Steven left, who did we replace him with?
• 57:09
  Was it Feli who came in?
• 57:10
  Who come in when Steven went?
• 57:12
  At that point, nobody.
• 57:13
  Honestly, for a season we had... Who did we play on the left?
• 57:16
  Because that killed us for a while.
• 57:18
  Tony, for six months we had like... No, I think it was... Did we not have like Billy Oledon off for a little bit?
• 57:23
  I can't remember the exact time.
• 57:24
  But for six months, right, our midfield was Phil Neville and John Heitinger and I was playing number 10 behind Jermaine Beckford.
• 57:34
  To be fair, that was my favourite time because I was like the main man.
• 57:37
  Six months.
• 57:38
  I was like captain, I was free kick taker, I was corner taker, I was everything, I was scoring goals, I was up front, so I didn't have to do much defending.
• 57:45
  It was probably my favourite time.
• 57:48
  But as a team, that was part of us
• 57:52
  We were a bit flat for that year until we then got to the next point where we started resigning.
• 57:56
  That was the best partnership I've ever seen at Everton, was Baz, Bainsey and Stephen.
• 58:01
  I've never seen it like that.
• 58:02
  They knew.
• 58:03
  They were telepathic, them two.
• 58:06
  Wait, I've just told you about me and Jermaine Beckford there.
• 58:09
  Are you not comparing me and Jermaine Beckford to Baines and Peter?
• 58:13
  How good was they, though?
• 58:14
  And when you lost Stephen, you just think, how did we get through that?
• 58:21
  It wasn't easy.
• 58:22
  It was a fight.
• 58:23
  It was a graft.
• 58:24
  I've just told you about our midfield.
• 58:26
  We went backwards in terms of we had progressed playing lovely football and become a team and we were passing and moving.
• 58:33
  And as we wanted to, it became Dogs of War for six months.
• 58:38
  We became a Dog of War team again, which...
• 58:40
  We don't mind a little bit of that at times, but we suddenly found ourselves, you know, treading water and having to win in a different way.
• 58:50
  And it was tough.
• 58:51
  And to be fair, David Moyes' body language in that time, I thought that was going to be the end of him.
• 58:56
  I thought because they'd sold all of his players, even his body language was a little bit flat in that period.
• 59:03
  But we won enough games, we got to the transfer window, we were still in a decent position that he could then bring other people in.
• 59:09
  So it happens in football, I just hope it doesn't happen this time.
• 59:13
  And we could be in that position again if we lose Illumina Ndi because he's been such a brilliant player season after season for us now.
• 59:21
  He's such an important figure.
• 59:21
  I don't think they sell him unless they've got three players lined up.
• 59:25
  Ritchie, Tete, Grealish.
• 59:30
  If they've got them three and we sell Illy, now don't get me wrong, I don't think the price is right.
• 59:35
  It shouldn't be 60 mil, it should be 80 mil.
• 59:36
  But if you were going to sell them for 80 million and then you had those three players in, you could argue that the squad is stronger.
• 59:42
  Almost like the Rooney situation where you sold Rooney and brought people in.
• 59:47
  You don't agree?
• 59:48
  Oh, I don't know about that.
• 59:49
  I mean, stronger.
• 59:51
  You're not one of them players that's going to work like Illyman going back and forward.
• 59:54
  More balanced, I think you'd say.
• 59:56
  Yes.
• 59:56
  I think that's the term.
• 59:58
  More balanced.
• 1:00:00
  You're not going to find another player like Illumin and Dai in the market.
• 1:00:03
  In the current market, Illumin...
• 1:00:06
  I can't understand why he'd even accept a bid.
• 1:00:09
  He's a £100 million player.
• 1:00:11
  There's no getting away from him.
• 1:00:14
  Trust me, wherever he goes, they'll see it.