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INTERVIEW: Joy-Ann Reid Talks 'The Joy Reid Show,' Media Mistrust, AI, Trump, Diddy, Epstein, + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club, finish
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  Speaker 1: for y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Done morning. Everybody's DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy
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  Speaker 2: we are the Breakfast Club. Lonla Roses here as well,
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  Speaker 2: and we got a special guest today on her birthday.
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  Speaker 3: Birthday, that's right about miss.
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  Speaker 4: Joy and read welcome, thank you? Are you feeling this morning?
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  Speaker 5: I'm feeling so good on my birthday because look, I
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  Speaker 5: woke up looking fully made up and I just woke
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  Speaker 5: up like this. I just woke up and I just
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  Speaker 5: was fully made up and ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: It's twenty five years.
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  Speaker 5: Old, twenty I'm working today. You know, I'm type A.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm like, I'm just gonna work like normal. But
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  Speaker 5: last night we did like karaoke. We went out, we
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  Speaker 5: did like live ving karaoke.
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  Speaker 3: I got my.
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  Speaker 5: Little shop on with my friends and it was fun.
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  Speaker 4: So yet and I bet it was early too. You
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  Speaker 4: ended like so back.
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  Speaker 5: Went to sleep at three o'clock this morning after a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, you know, we hung out, so we were
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  Speaker 5: outside like.
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  Speaker 4: Meet me and Charlotte by none.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a night per done.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even start to really wake up to like
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  Speaker 5: six pm. Really, I'm not a morning like this is
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  Speaker 5: tough for me.
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  Speaker 3: Morning.
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  Speaker 5: You're not used to the morning radio mornings are tough.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a night person. I don't even get really going
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  Speaker 5: until like six seven o'clock. Then I'm awake.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why you do your show at night as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean night, that's literally when I kind of
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  Speaker 5: come alive. I'm not Mornings are tough, like getting up,
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  Speaker 5: I fight my way out of bed. I have to
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  Speaker 5: fight my way out of that bed.
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  Speaker 3: And you're celebrating the six month birthday in your show too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so the birth So it's just interesting enough that
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  Speaker 5: my birthday is today and the six month birthday of
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  Speaker 5: the show is tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, six months, and it feels like it's been longer,
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  Speaker 5: but it's only been six months.
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  Speaker 6: What has been the six like out of six months?
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  Speaker 6: What's the thing that you were most grateful for in
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  Speaker 6: the journey of your show?
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  Speaker 5: The support? Like, I mean, you know, because when you
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  Speaker 5: leave like a sort of formal corporate media situation, you
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  Speaker 5: have no idea whether people are, you know, we're really
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  Speaker 5: interested in the station and following the station or following you.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm just grateful for the love and support that
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  Speaker 5: we've gotten not only the people who've been willing to
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  Speaker 5: come on, but just the fact that people are like
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  Speaker 5: responding to it. I'm beyond grateful.
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  Speaker 4: How is it independence been?
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  Speaker 5: Though? I love it, especially now because this corporate media world,
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  Speaker 5: it's getting worse. It's getting harder for people to really
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  Speaker 5: kind of express themselves and be yourself, and I feel
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  Speaker 5: like it's not going in a good direction, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And so I'm just grateful to be free to do
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  Speaker 5: what I do, say what I want to say, and
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  Speaker 5: not worry about like a corporate overseer. I feel good.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they're attacks?
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  Speaker 5: One?
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  Speaker 3: Last one?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think the attacks increased?
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  Speaker 2: Because I noticed, especially with a lot of independent people,
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  Speaker 2: I see like independent gets attacked a lot more than
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  Speaker 2: what I've usually seen. And have you seen that for
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  Speaker 2: yourself as well?
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  Speaker 5: I think independent gets attacked a lot more because people
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  Speaker 5: realize the effectiveness of it. I think once you know,
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  Speaker 5: Trump was helped so much by outside of corporate media,
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  Speaker 5: like he was really helped by podcast, he was really
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  Speaker 5: helped by independent media, some of whom people most people
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  Speaker 5: had never heard of unless you are in that world.
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  Speaker 5: And I think once people realize the power of that
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  Speaker 5: now the focus is on it, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 5: like the the eyes are on it now, so you know,
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  Speaker 5: but as far as a tax against me, it's just
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I can say I love puppies, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: jd Vance will be like, you're not grateful enough.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: If Netflix absorbs Warner Brothers, right, what did that level
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  Speaker 1: of media consolidation mean for journalism, especially for a network
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  Speaker 1: like seeing It.
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually glad CNN's not in the deal because so
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  Speaker 5: what they did, they're kind of doing the same thing
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  Speaker 5: they did with when Comcasts spun off MS the Artist
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  Speaker 5: formerly known as MSNBC. They separated them out and they
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  Speaker 5: put them in their own company and they called it
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  Speaker 5: spin Co, which is a bad name for a media company,
• 3:38
  Speaker 5: but they called it Spinco for a while and then
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  Speaker 5: verse yone or whatever, and now it's miss now they've
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  Speaker 5: switched it up. They did this, they're doing the same
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  Speaker 5: with CNN. So CNN is not in the deal, which
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  Speaker 5: I think is good because that size of a corporation
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure has the right level of accountability to
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  Speaker 5: the people, and I worried about that a little bit,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not in the deal.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: The question is who buys CNN and who absorbs it,
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  Speaker 5: and that is still an open question that could be
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  Speaker 5: bad news.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I thought I saw something with Trump said
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  Speaker 1: he had a list of seeing any ankles he wanted fired.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I mean, look at this point, he's in
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  Speaker 5: a way dictating what sky Dance does. He's dictating their
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  Speaker 5: editorial content. I mean, how is the editorial content of
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  Speaker 5: like the Tiffany network, that Walter Cronkite network being dictated
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  Speaker 5: out of the White House. That's already happening. If CNN
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  Speaker 5: falls into the hands of another of his cronies, he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna dictate what's on CNN. Like we're going in a
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  Speaker 5: bad direction.
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  Speaker 6: He says, He's gonna be real involved in the approval
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  Speaker 6: of this Netflix deal.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and the Netflix president had to go have a
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  Speaker 5: personal conversation with Trump to get him to approve the
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  Speaker 5: deal because the Ellisons were also wanting to buy Warner
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  Speaker 5: and they were add and they're still lobbying to try
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  Speaker 5: to undo that deal so they can buy it. It's like,
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  Speaker 5: in the end, we're gonna have like five media companies.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna own everything and own everything from social media
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  Speaker 5: to regular media. This is not good because the public
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  Speaker 5: is not going to have anywhere to go. It's going
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  Speaker 5: to be like back in the day there were three networks.
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  Speaker 5: There'll be three networks again, but they'll all be in
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  Speaker 5: lined with the government.
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  Speaker 2: So it's yeah, besides the government piece, right, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like it's always difficult.
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  Speaker 4: To tell somebody what they can buy and what they can't.
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  Speaker 4: But how does that sit with you?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Take the government piece out right with Trump? Because Trump
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  Speaker 2: could be like, I'll approve this deal, but you got
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  Speaker 2: to fire this person, this person, this person. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: outside of that is it's hard to tell a me
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  Speaker 2: like a person what they can buy and what they
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  Speaker 2: can't buy, don't you think though?
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  Speaker 5: But I think it depends because in the case of media,
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  Speaker 5: it's it's serving a public interest, right. And so if
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  Speaker 5: let's say everyone who buys a media company and saying, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you can buy whatever you want. But then if it's
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  Speaker 5: all giving you only one one perspective, one size, and
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  Speaker 5: you can't get another perspective, there's nowhere else to go.
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  Speaker 5: So now you're locked in. You get this one perspective
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  Speaker 5: that just happens to be the same perspective as the
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  Speaker 5: President of the United States. And now we're North Korea,
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  Speaker 5: because where can you get any alternative view? That's what
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  Speaker 5: That's what Victor Orbon did in Hungary. Basically all of
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  Speaker 5: the media is his perspective and only his perspective, and
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  Speaker 5: you can't get an alternative. That's a dangerous place, especially
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  Speaker 5: in this country. As diverse as this country is, how
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  Speaker 5: many views there are in the world, we should be
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  Speaker 5: able to get a variety of it. And for now,
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  Speaker 5: independent media is where you can go and get the alternative.
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  Speaker 5: As long as that stays free and clear, then I
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  Speaker 5: guess we're good. But I don't think it's good for
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  Speaker 5: democracy for all of the major media companies to all
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  Speaker 5: line up and fall on their knees for the president.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a good look.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to have like a Fox that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Then you have to have an MSNBC that has a
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  Speaker 1: liberal Yeah, plant CNN is trying to play it down
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: But you got variety.
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  Speaker 5: At least you have a variety of a choice. You
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  Speaker 5: can choose your own adventure. But I mean, if they're
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  Speaker 5: all aligned and they're all deciding they're going to serve
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  Speaker 5: the king, yeah, then we're stuck.
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  Speaker 6: That's why it's kind of crazy to hear him talk
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  Speaker 6: about like he's nervous that Netflix will have like a
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  Speaker 6: monopoly because if he is able to control certain things,
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  Speaker 6: he and Donald Trump, it's almost like this is his
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  Speaker 6: monopoly on the media.
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  Speaker 7: So exactly, such a.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like he just said that because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you got to get his tribute.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And I just assume he's getting paid off everything.
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  Speaker 5: He's like a my boss. It's like, what is his cut?
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  Speaker 5: You know? That's all? I think. That's all then to go.
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  Speaker 5: It's like all these pardons are like that. It's like
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  Speaker 5: when you see these you know, fraudsters getting pardoned, then
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  Speaker 5: you found out they wrote a check to these friends
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  Speaker 5: of Trump and they're all right in checks. He's selling
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  Speaker 5: pardons out of the White House. This is crazy, but
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  Speaker 5: the Supreme Court that he could do it, so he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna do it.
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  Speaker 8: What do you see like America looking like at the
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  Speaker 8: end of his vollyear turn though, what do.
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  Speaker 5: You think a mess? Like a whole mess? Because the
• 7:39
  Speaker 5: thing is, if they are robbing the treasury to enrich
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  Speaker 5: him and enrich his friends and enrich this small set
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  Speaker 5: of billionaires and leaving nothing for everyone else. You end
• 7:48
  Speaker 5: up with a crab economy, people struggling, a lot, more poverty,
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  Speaker 5: a lot more hunger or want, and that's, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's the seeds of revolution. You don't want to really
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  Speaker 5: make a lot of people poor while you're making a
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  Speaker 5: handful of people rich like that generally doesn't go well
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  Speaker 5: for either the rich or the poor. So it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: look good. I think we're going toward Hungary, Russia, that
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  Speaker 5: kind of a country, and that's not what we want
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  Speaker 5: to be.
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  Speaker 8: And then how long is the undo of everything for
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  Speaker 8: the next person is Yeah, damn. I can't imagine the
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  Speaker 8: job of the next president to have to fix this mess,
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  Speaker 8: because this is a mess like he's going to lead.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm assuming twenty twenty six we end up
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  Speaker 8: in a recession. I'm just assuming that.
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  Speaker 5: And I think people should brace themselves for the economy
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  Speaker 5: to get really bad, because when a small number of
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  Speaker 5: people get rich and you don't expand the middle, and
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  Speaker 5: when the bottom gets poorer, there's no way to sustain
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  Speaker 5: an economy like that that anybody can really benefit from.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Trump is benefiting, his friends are benefiting who else.
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  Speaker 3: It's not good, you know, I did last week.
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  Speaker 1: I did the New York Times deal Book panel, and
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  Speaker 1: one of the questions that they asked, actually the first
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  Speaker 1: question they asked us, should we trust the media in twenty.
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  Speaker 5: Twenty five, I trust it less and less. I definitely
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  Speaker 5: don't trust anything that's happening at s Guidance, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: sad about it, because, you know, I loved sixty Minutes.
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  Speaker 5: I grew up watching Dan Rather, you know, like I
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  Speaker 5: felt like, you know, I've worked at NBC, but I
• 9:15
  Speaker 5: felt like seeing you know, CBS was a strong, solid
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  Speaker 5: news operation. I question it now when I see something
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  Speaker 5: coming out of that network, I'm not sure I believe it.
• 9:26
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I wholly trust it. And I think
• 9:28
  Speaker 5: their editorial decisions now are political, whereas I think it
• 9:32
  Speaker 5: was a lie that they were political before. I think
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: that the right just didn't like what they were saying,
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  Speaker 5: but I don't think they were political. I briefly worked
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  Speaker 5: at CBS and stands and practices they were not political,
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  Speaker 5: But I think they are now, and that's not good.
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily trust it now.
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  Speaker 6: I think with everything that's happening, like you're talking about
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  Speaker 6: the independent media, like the new ring of media, there's
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  Speaker 6: gonna be a lot more of that. But like what
• 9:54
  Speaker 6: I always think about is like when you work on television,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you have like FCC and all these like
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  Speaker 6: governing with independent media, there isn't that, So something will have.
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  Speaker 7: To rise up.
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  Speaker 6: And who's gonna like will that be Trump to figuring
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  Speaker 6: that out? Like what is that governing body that's going
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  Speaker 6: to rise up and rain over the independent media?
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  Speaker 7: Because it will happen. Nothing goes unpoliced here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know what that could possibly be
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  Speaker 5: that you know, the independent media would even submit to.
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  Speaker 5: And then the question is how long is independent media independent?
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. No, we're one Elon Musk buying
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  Speaker 5: YouTube away from that going, you know, we're one, you know,
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  Speaker 5: David Ellison deciding he also would like to have control
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: of substack, you know what I mean? Like at some
• 10:32
  Speaker 5: point if it all consolidates, then we have nowhere to go.
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  Speaker 5: We have no choices, and the regulating body is some
• 10:38
  Speaker 5: billionaire that's regulating it for their own self interest. So
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  Speaker 5: I'm worried about that.
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  Speaker 2: What do we do to regulate now? You know, because
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of YouTubers out there, a lot of
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: people that have their own shows that soon there are
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: no facts. Yeah, and the problem with suing is it's
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: easy to sue when you have money, but if you
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: don't have money, it's just money out of your pocket.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: And a lot of these people, you know, they say
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: they have money, but then when you see and they
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: live at home with their mom, or they live in
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're renting, they don't have any money.
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  Speaker 4: So it's suing for what you know.
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  Speaker 2: So how do we regulate to make sure that what
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  Speaker 2: people are really spewing the facts?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's impossible, and I think people that are
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  Speaker 5: the consumers of it, this is in a way what
• 11:13
  Speaker 5: they want. People want to hear their own opinion reflected
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  Speaker 5: back to them, and that's what they're getting, you know.
• 11:17
  Speaker 5: I even think about the Candace Owen's saying, this lady
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  Speaker 5: is out there way out on a limb with these
• 11:23
  Speaker 5: with this French president and his wife, like way out
• 11:25
  Speaker 5: on a limb, and she does not there's no regulating
• 11:27
  Speaker 5: body to stop her from saying it. So she's just
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: saying it and digging herself deeper and deeper. At a
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: certain point she's gonna get, you know, it's going to
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: be financially impractical for her to continue to do this.
• 11:39
  Speaker 5: Can she continue to afford to fight the president of France?
• 11:43
  Speaker 6: But long is that she wanted this to happen this
• 11:46
  Speaker 6: way because if it gets to like a court or whatever,
• 11:48
  Speaker 6: you'll have to certain things about to be laid out
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  Speaker 6: on the table. And she thinks that's where the truth
• 11:52
  Speaker 6: that supports what she's saying will come out.
• 11:54
  Speaker 5: Does she really think that or is this just like
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: a money making Yeah? And the thing is, even if
• 11:57
  Speaker 5: they do prove what she's saying, why.
• 12:01
  Speaker 8: What is this that what she's saying is true?
• 12:09
  Speaker 5: Is it a crime or friends? You know? It's all
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  Speaker 5: for clicks. And that's the thing that does scare me
• 12:13
  Speaker 5: is that some of the content isn't for truth or fact.
• 12:16
  Speaker 5: It's just for clicks. It's just for attention. And the
• 12:18
  Speaker 5: attention economy is the economy, and the way that she
• 12:21
  Speaker 5: makes money is that she just gets attention to her content.
• 12:24
  Speaker 5: And that's a bad incentive. It's a bad incentive for
• 12:27
  Speaker 5: the truth. It's a bad incentive if you care about facts.
• 12:30
  Speaker 5: None of these things are good, Like none of the
• 12:31
  Speaker 5: incentives are good right now, that's all bad.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: That in ai right like I seen the video trending
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: this weekend. Uh, these NYPD cops were arresting Ice agency. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and it looks so real, but you know it couldn't happen.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: So it was like it was trending and people are
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: leaving comments. Yeah, that's what more cops need to do it.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is AI, guys, Like it's hard to
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: see the real in AI. You can't tell.
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: You can't tell what is the music artist that's like
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: it's a gospel artist that's like number one on the
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  Speaker 5: gospel charts, but it's not a human.
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  Speaker 3: About this.
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  Speaker 7: She does like R and B as well, but they've
• 13:09
  Speaker 7: been saying her voice is like annoints.
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  Speaker 5: It and she's like an AI, I don't want to
• 13:16
  Speaker 5: hear it, like like you know what I mean, Like
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: we don't even have real artists. We have, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: you have things that people are people are like hanging
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  Speaker 5: their hat on this. You know, Ice is gonna get
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  Speaker 5: arrested by the NYPD thinking it's real and it looks
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  Speaker 5: so real. Now when we get to elections next year,
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: how much that content is going to be real. We've
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: already had politicians used in fake AI, you know, commercials
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: and it's not them. They can make you say anything,
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: make you do anything, like it's very hard to tell.
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: It's very hard to tell. So now we all have
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: to be experts in figuring out whether the humans we
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: see on TV are humans.
• 13:51
  Speaker 8: Then they can use it another way too, like for
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  Speaker 8: things that actually like that humans are actually doing, and
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  Speaker 8: then they can use AI to cover it up.
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  Speaker 5: To cover it up. You think about Hollywood, so many
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: artists are out of work because they can just replace
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: them with robots with AI. Like AI is eating up opportunity,
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: like it's eating up you know, people's professions. You know,
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: like my daughter's an artist. She won't even post on
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: Instagram because AI starts scraping all of your art and
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's using it to create art
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: that has no human owner and no human creator.
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: I saw.
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: I was at art Bozo this weekend. There was an
• 14:33
  Speaker 6: exhibition that was all AI. Like the guy gives his emotion.
• 14:37
  Speaker 6: He paints all these deceased people from his past, like
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: family members and stuff like that. They have machines strapped
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: to like these canvases, And I was like, who's giving
• 14:45
  Speaker 6: a direction? They said he put his emotions and stuff
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: into the tech product, whatever it is, and then AI
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: creates all the drawings.
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: How do you put your emotions into a machine?
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: I think oddly, I don't know, but I was like,
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: this is crazy, Like I was just watching it draw
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: people's faces, like.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Like, so if voters can't tell was real anymore? Can
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: democracy even function in the age AI?
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know how. I'm concerned, Like you know what
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: I mean. I mean there, it's going to have to
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: we have to figure out a way for it to function.
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: We're too big of a country with too many people.
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: A revolution here would be horrendous and bloody. You know,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: three hundred and fifty million Americans, and you know we
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: already have AI assisted and you know sort of machine
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: assisted deportation, Like you've got this surveillance company that nobody
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: knows anything about, that nobody had heard of it. Talent
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: here that's helping surveil us, Like we're being surveiled through
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: our phones. You now, we're already like past the tipping
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: point where we have mass surveillance so that they can
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: track and deport whoever they want. We have we have
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: masked people arresting people on our streets. Like we're already
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: so far gone that saving democracy is it's going to
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: be challenging. Even if you said AI aside, you know,
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: and so many things, we've gone so far backwards that
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: I worry that pulling us back is going to be hard,
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: when on top of it, the side that wants authoritarianism
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: has all of these very sophisticated systems and AI systems
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: to track us, to surveil us, to kind of lock
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: us out of democracy. And I'm concerned that it's going
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: to be hard to pull it back.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You use the word authoritarianism.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: At what point do people stop calling certain political transpolarization, Yeah,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: start calling them.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Fascism, you know what I mean? Yeah? And I think,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: and this is one of the reasons I am glad
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: that I'm not in mainstream media. It's very difficult because
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: the governing authorities over you say, and the standards and
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: practices says, well, don't call that fascism, don't call that authoritarianism.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: Just call it a difference of political opinion. It's a difference.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: It's not a difference of opinion. It's fascism. And I
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: think more of us need to say it and just
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: get used to saying it, because you can't fight something
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: you can't name, you know, and if we're not naming
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: it authoritarianism in fact, which is what it is. And
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: they're not like subtle about it. They're being very clear.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: They want this is a white supremacist government. That's saying,
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: if you are not a white Christian male, you are
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: just not welcome in any institution. You're not welcome in academia,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: You're not welcome in the military. We you know, the
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: whole thing is, we're bombing boats in the Caribbean, Like,
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: what is this? And it's being normalized as if this
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: is a difference in politics. It's not.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell why I get confused by it.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: I do think that a lot of things that I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: see are authoritarian strategy. But when I see somebody like
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you know, President Biden say it's a threat to democracy,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: but then he's outside the White House saying welcome home.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Or when I see you know, Zora Mundani call Donald
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Trump a fascist, but then say I can work with
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a fascist, I'm like, well, that's.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Not how I was taught. How fast I never fascism.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: You can't work with a fascist like that's never worked
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: in the history of mankind.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: So sometimes we say these words.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: But when we don't act upon these words, it kind
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of takes the meaning out of these words, I think.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: And I think politics makes it difficult to fight fascism
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: because you do actually have to deal still with the
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: president like he's still the president unfortunately, you know, but
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: I think you there's certain things that I think are
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: I feel like Biden, what he did was worse, to
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: be honest, because Biden spent an entire campaign telling us
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: that Donald Trump was a threat to democracy, that Donald
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Trump was it, and then he right, the welcome home
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: thing was insane. You know, even Obama he can with
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: him at the funeral like this is a normal guy
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: who wants to arrest you, by the way, you know.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: I don't, Yeah, I think that because the politicians, particularly
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: at that the older policy, I don't think they understand.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: I don't think they really think it's fascism authoritarism. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: think they think it is different in politics. That's what
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I worry about.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Mundanie too, because I feel
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like if you if you use those words while you're campaigning,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like when you get in the when you know, get
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: in ther you become the elected official and become mayor.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I understand, I understand you have to work with him.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe you shouldn't use that kind of language
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: if you're going to tell us you can work with
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: a fascist.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: But that's not how fascism work.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: What I'll give him credit for though, when he was
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: point blank as even in his presence, is he a fascist?
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: He was like yeah. He was like yeah. He was
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: asked the press.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: After he got a little pat and he was like,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: it's okay to call me that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: He's right. He wouldn't even let him finish his sentence
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: because Trump was like, he fell in love with mom,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Donnie in that moment. I'm not sure what happened. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: really want to know what he said to him in
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: the room, because Trump seemed to fall in love with him.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: But when he was on Meet the Press was either
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Meet the Press or CBS. This morning, I was on
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Meet the President. He was asked, point blank, is he
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a fascist? He's like yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But that's when he said you could work with him,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And that's why I got confused. I was like, since
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I've never seen somebody work with a fascist in history
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of mankind, and.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: You know that's actually how you normalize.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Me, right, Well, I mean, the reality is the one
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: time that you could say, well, I don't know if
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: you would call him a FASTI he was definitely an authoritarian,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: was Stylin, And I mean FDR worked with Stalin. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: mean you had khrush Chef worked with Kennedy. I mean, unfortunately,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: when you have a regime, you've got to deal with
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the regime. And I think if you're the mayor of
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: New York City, you got to deal with the President
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: of United States. There's no getting around it. And so
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: if you have an in the interest of your citizens,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: you're unfortunately gonna have to deal with this man. You
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: have to deal with this president. The immigration issue alone
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: is going to send him in a collision course with
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: the White House. So I kind of understand what he's saying,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: he has to work with Biden was on his way out.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: He didn't have to work with Trump.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: There's no there.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: No presidents don't work with each other. You're literally handing
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: over power to somebody. You're saying is dangerous, Mam, Donnie's
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: not handing power over to Trump. He has to work
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: with Trump. That's actually just a fact with when Biden
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: did it to me, it was unnecessary that that kind
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: of comity, that kind of like friendliness between two presidents
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: was completely unnecessary. You are out of power, you on
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: your way out, stand strong on what you said during
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: the campaign. There was no need for you to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: generous to him. In the case of Mam Donnie, it's
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: slightly different because you're coming into power and you do
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: have to deal with that man. You have no choice.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I agree, But how do you ring the alarm that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this is something different and not just a difference in politics.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's why you're using words like fashion. Yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: and he's gonna have to do that in power, like
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: he's gonna have to particularly on the I mean now
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: that Trump has deleted all Haitian Americans TPS, no more
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: temporary protected status for anybody Haitian, like gone right, what
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: they're doing to Venezuelan's And there's a lot in this city.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: So he now is going to be frontline trying to
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: deal with fighting literal fascism and authoritarianism at his doorstep.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: And so yeah, the question is going to be does
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: he do it with that rhetoric and keep that rhetoric
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: up or does he just fight it. I don't even
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: think it matters what he says. At this point, he's
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: gonna have to fight it. We cannot have this country
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: become one giant kidnapping site where where this regime is
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: allowed to just kidnap people at will. Like that has
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: to stop, and somebody has to stand up to on
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: the you know, New York City happens to be, you know,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: the financial capital of the United States, and somebody has
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: to put their foot down. And I'm hoping, I'm Donnie Will.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think the public fully understands how much executive
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: power Trump is wilding or are we sleepwalking into something
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you're reversal.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I think we're sleepwalking because you know what, I don't
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: think people understood the powers of the presidency and that
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: it was only constrained by the kind of belief in
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the system of other presidents. Like Trump is just stealing
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: power that no one anticipated the president would have because
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: he's just doing it. And it makes me think, well, damn,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: the Democrats were in there, they could have done a
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: lot more shit. Who knew because who's gonna stop you, Like,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: who's gonna stop him? Nobody? And so if now we
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: realize the presidents he could be this powerful, it kind
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: of makes me wish that previous presidents had actually used
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: more power for good for good, Yeah yeah, because this
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: dude is just stealing powers that were not even anticipated.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, and the Supreme Court is rubber stamping at all.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: So it's like, oh shit, it turns out Obama shit
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: had just like made put thirteen seats on the Supreme
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Court and you know put you know, I mean, I
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: just I wonder what we could have done had previous
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: presidents realize how much power they can.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: If another Democrat goes in office, do you think another
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Democratic president will use his power they have to? Do
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: you think that they will or do you think they will?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go against what the constitutions.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I think it's that I think so too. I
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: don't think democrats believe and use I think they're afraid
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: to will power the way that Trump is willed in power.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: They think that he is he is outside the norm
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: and they're gonna want to bring it back to the norm.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: That's how we ended up with Merrick Garland, who did
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: nothing for four years.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Even Biden on the way out like if I'm on
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: my way out, nah, I'm gonna pardon everybody that needs
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: to be part and I'm gonna make sure everybody was
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Do, what you're gonna do.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Hate me anyway, you hate me anyway, you.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Hate me anyway. And it's like he parted. He did
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: a select few pardons. There's so much more he could
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: have done on his way out, but instead he's trying
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: to welcome home the next president. I don't want to
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: go too far, you know. Even so, yeah, I worry
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: that democrats, just small sea constitutionally are not built to
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: do what they need to do when they come.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Now, you said a name, just now, I'm sorry you
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: said it. And this person needs a lot more smoke
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: than he ever gets. And that's Merygarland.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know why Marrigarland escapes the smoke.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I don't understand why he escapes the smoke. Even the
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Epstein files thing, I'm like, wait a minute, you tell me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Nine months into this administration, the podcast guys are claiming
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: they caught the mind.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know if this young man is the person
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: that put the pipe bombs in these I don't know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: but I know they said we solved the case in
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: nine months. Mary Garland was there for four years? What
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: were you doing the Epstein files? Merrick, what were you
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: doing for four years? You had the same evidence, the
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: same files. Why did you release them? Like there's there's
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: He took a year and a half to even start
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: investigating Trump. For January he did an insurrection, and he's like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: let me start at the bottom. I'm going to arrest
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: the cab driver who drove down to be in the insurrection,
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: and I'll work my way up to the one to
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: own the beauty salon, and then I'll work my way.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: It took him a year and a half to get
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: the Trump. This man had classified doctors at his house
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: for eighteen months while they were begging, please, will you
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: bring him back? Asked nicely, bring him back, Mary? Garland
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: did to me nothing for four years. He might as
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: well not have been there.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: And when President Biden left the White House, he said
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he should have hired a different attorney general that would
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: have went after Trump a lot sooner.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, Dad, why did you fire them there?
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Exactly why did you fire them? I mean between that
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: and sitting there while the genocide happened under your watch,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: And I mean that by knowns that. So I think
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: about that Biden presidency as just one four year lost opportunity.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Love the infrastructure bill, but other than that, it's like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: what did you do with your time? While Trump is
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: running rough shot over the Constitution, he sat there, Yeah,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: I need sixty votes to get anything done. It does
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: make it. And I remember you used to say this
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: during the time. It's like, it's frustrating when Democrats say
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: I can't And I was even one who say, you know,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: they don't have sixty votes in the Senate. But now
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: I'm realizing they didn't need him. They literally could have
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: just don I mean, who knew.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people didn't know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: We had Congressman not Green here and we asked him like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: did you know a president could wild this much power beforehand?
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And he was like, no, I'm a lawyer. So Congress
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: now Green don't know how we fosed to know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: We didn't know. I mean, and I thought it was
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: pretty conversion in the Constitution. But Trump, I mean, we
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: thought the emolument's clause was real. Wasn't real. You know,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: you can sell Brock, you can sell pardons who knew
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: like they're literally he's doing everything you think would be
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: a criminal offense in the White House with the Supreme
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Court of the United States literally rubber stamping it. So
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I guess if you're a Republican, you can do it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe this stuff is a crime, but just the
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court gave him that presidential immunity.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Because they're Republicans and they want Republicans to win.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wonder if before the presidential see this
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: is great, this is the fact that we're even having
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this conversation. I wonder if before the presidential immunity was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: just stuff for legal.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: It had to have been illegal. But I think, I mean,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I only think it's being allowed because they're Republicans and
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: he's a Republican, and genre if you know anything about
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: John Roberts, you know he's a Republican first and foremost.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: He does not believe in the Voting Rights Act, never
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: has and these are the outcomes he wants. They want
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: a king. They're monarchists. They don't believe in democracy. They
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: want a monarchy. They just want it to be a
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Republican monarchy. Because I promise if a Democrat was doing this,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: they would say none of that's legal.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: But they want that.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: But do they want that person to be Trump, because
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: I feel like there's certain things that he does that
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: even on the Republican side, they're like, mmm, hold up, wait,
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: Like I think they want the time, like the the
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: overall control of what you're talking about. But I don't
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: know if they really want it to be like Trump,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: like I know charlae Is talked about that before, like
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: them trying to move him out the way and kind
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: of take back and get back to now.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: I think to be he's the perfect. He is a
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: use he is the perfect useful idiot for people like
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: the Project twenty twenty five authors. He's ideal, Like he's
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: even better than Bush because you want somebody it's not
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: too smart necessarily, but that beguiles the base. The base
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: loves Trump. He does there's something about him that they
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: just love. Style. They love they love the way he talks,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: the way he does his you know, geriatric dance. They
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: love it. They love it. And because the base loves it,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: you can slide a lot of stuff past them that
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: hurt them. You can hurt these people and they'll love it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: They'll thank you for it because they like him. So
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: he's perfect. And Bush was like that like people are like, man,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Bush is dumb. That was perfect because the right wanted
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: to do massive tax because they wanted to do surveillance.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: They started that surveillance under him. They wanted to do
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: foreign wars for money, you know, wars for oil. They
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: wanted to do. Bush is the perfect foil because he's
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: just a goof that. Americans on the right loved Trump
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: is that times ten plus a celebrity. So I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: they loved and they'll keep Trump around as long as
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: they can. They might weakend it, bernies him to keep
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: him around because he's the perfect useful idiot basically for
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: what they want. The base loves it. And so you
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: can think about what you're sliding past these people. You're
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: taking their cattle farms and making them bankrupt. You slide
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: in tariffs that make everything expensive. You're destroying people economically,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: and they're thanking you for it because they love Trump.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: So I think they want Trump forever if they could
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: keep them. What do you?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: What do you?
• 29:12
  Speaker 9: I'm switching talking about Want to talk about Puffy for
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: a second. Oh my god, exhausting.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: We talk about that all day.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I used to call Trump the Puffy of politics for years.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: I would call him the Puffy of politics, and nobody
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: ever should understood why they're the same person.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Damn, if you think about it, I can see what
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: you mean by that, like the arrogance, the.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Arrogance, and then they don't have a specific talent. Their
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: talent is using the people with talent to get what
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: they want, right, Like Puffy is not a producer, He's not. No,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: he hires producers, doesn't pay them, makes him sign N
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: d a's, but he takes the crew and then he
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: goes on and says I like that on the song.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: And now he's also the artist.
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: So what is all this with him and the you
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: know he we've seen him like direct people how to
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: do this, how to sing it this way and that,
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: you know, just how it sounds phonetically and how it's coming.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Like that's not a producer.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the Puffy not having no
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: talent thing is kind of a little scratch. So we've
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: seen him pick songs and be like, yo, I want
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: to turn this into such and such record.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: I know he's a marketing genius, so is Trump? Like
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: that's something they're the same person. They're both marketing genius.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: He's saying he's not pushing the button instead like he's okay.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Producer, right, you know what I mean, Like he's not
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: like a rapper, but he craved to be the talent.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: But he really is the marketer. But it's like when
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: the marketer wants to be the product and he fought
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: to me to the death of a lot of people
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: to get to be the talent when he's actually the
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: marketer and he's a genius at that. I'm gonna give
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: him credit for that, but it's in terms of it's
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: like he had this great envy of the talented artist
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: that he saw around him, you know, especially Tupac, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: he wanted to be Tupac, like beloved like Tupac, Talented
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: like Tupac. He wanted to be Biggie instead of just
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: market Biggie. And it's like he fought his way through
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: a lot of dead bodies to be the artist. It's
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: so tragic on so many levels. And it's I mean,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: it was brilliantly done.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It was great, and I mean he is he is
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: an executive, like he was able to find talent, put
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: talent together and make those but as far as being
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: an actual producer, someone who sits there plugs in the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: keyboard and none that wasn't he never said anything.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: What do you think it says about America that a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: documentary about Diddy and even even black culture to that
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that can dominate Netflix at a moment when like black
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: history is being restricted in school. I just saw Trump
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: get rid of Martin Luther King Jr. And Junior teenth
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: at Parks and replace it with like.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: It's so amazing to me because I've been noticing when
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I've been scrolling through Netflix, it's a lot of content
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: that's not black, you know, and it's like that it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: all all white cats and everything. But the number one
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: thing on there is this documentar about this black man
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: in other countries to not just here, not just here.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: So it's like they don't want, they don't want us
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: to be centered, but we're still centered because black folks
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: make culture, like American culture without black people is just stale,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: like secondary European culture, you know, And so they want
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: they don't maybe they don't want us, but they need
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: us because look at this thing dominating. It's amazing and
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: it's a fascinating, well done story.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: It was that cultural power ever translating the political power,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do you think.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I hope so. I hope so, But I think we
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: actually have to think differently too, you know what I mean. Like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: I love Magic Johnson, but you know, you know, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: great to shop for kids for Christmas. But did it
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: have to be Target? You know, in a moment when
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: we're trying to stand up for our dignity against companies
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: like Target that don't respect us. It's disappointing, you know
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: that he would lean into Target in this moment, you
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: know what I mean?
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bring whatever.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: So his foundation they do a thing where they shop
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: for holiday gifts for kids, which is wonderful and it's
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: great that they do that, and they've been doing it
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: for a few I mean probably a few years, but
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: it's with Target, and so in this moment, it's like, Ooh,
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: does it have to be with Target specifically? And maybe
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: they just had a multi year deal. I have no idea,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: but it's just we're not unified enough to turn it
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: into political power. I think we're not on the same
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: page enough. You know, if we could marshal one trillion
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: plus dollars in economic power, and we were together and
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: we had a plan, we would be unstoppable. But I
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: just don't think we're there. I wish we were. I
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: would love us to be there.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: So do you think because there's been a debate about
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: if fifty cent is wrong for being a part of
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: the doc as a black man, do you think that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: wrong or right?
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I think it's wrong what Puffy allegedly did. I think
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the things he did allegedly were horrific, and I think
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: those things had to come out. It didn't help us
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: to like hide what we knew about r Kelly, you
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? Who did that help? It just
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: hurt little young girls and so you know, it didn't
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: help for on the other side people to hide with
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: they knew about Epstein and m and let them roll.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: So I think we have to expose the things in
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: our even in our culture, that are hurting us. That
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't helping anybody. Where's Mace's money, you know? But Create
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: mag died with no money? Like that's not right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you a questions. I agree with you.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I think that you should expose. I think people should
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: see my question. And I think this was the hardest
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: thing for me, right and people whatever, they call me
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a glazer for Diddy, but it's not true. My problem
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: was what he was convicted of. But he was found
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: guilty of the time that he got. Is that too
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: much because he was hiring a prostitute? Well allegedly, right,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: But usually the prostitute gets time and the pimp gets time,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: and the john usually gets a slap on the risk
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: community service and they have to go to some course
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: for whatever sex whatever. But in this case, it seems
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like the crime, I guess the time doesn't fit the crime.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: So I think the same and want I want to
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: say it's the same exact he was convicted of the
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: same thing Epstein was, you know what I mean, Like,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I think they used I believe in both cases it
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: was man that kind of Epstein wasn't convicted of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: man at Epstein was convicted of basically soliciting, and so
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: was Puffy versions of that, right, And I think those
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: cases were mischarged. In both of those cases. I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: the prosecutors failed the victims. In both of those cases.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Epstein should have not been convicted of some sort of
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: solicitation of prostitution. Those girls weren't prostitutes. They were children,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: you know, they were kids, but they were like they
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: were sort of portrayed as prostitutes, was.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Charged with sex trafficking of miners.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Sex trafficking, but he was charged of sex traffic of
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: miners the second time federally in Florida when he was
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: actually convicted, he was convicted of a basically a solicitation charge.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Then he was federally charged with trafficking and never you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: obviously because he never made it to trial. But you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: that was his original conviction, and then Puffy's conviction here
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: what he was they almost overcharged it and undercharged it,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. They were never gonna prove
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Rico like that just didn't seem like they could prove that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: But I also think they failed. There were real victims here,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: and I just think I don't think they charged with
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: the right things. I don't think it makes Puffy innocent,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: because I don't.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: Think he was innocent, but it just it seems like
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: for what he was charged with, what he was found
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: guilty of, it seems a lot worse than what he's
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: doing time for he got off.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: For me watching The Doctor, I'm like, uh, well, I
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: kind of felt that way before I watched the documentary,
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: and then the way that Emmy feels and then after
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: watching I'm like, man, this nigga skating.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Then like it's really decades, this is a time out.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Everything is true in this documentary documentary. It's like, Yo,
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: you still kind of like God, favorite is what it
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: seemed like you're not getting.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: No, no God.
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: But then you get what I'm saying though, It's like
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: it's only a very few that you know what I'm saying.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: That's why I say he's trong, right, And I'm like
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: the just the tupocket biggie parts of it, if he
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: was in any way involved and somebody there's a og
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: fan of both to iamb I mean, and I always
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: felt a funny about him and the way they were
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: pushing that East coast West coast because the West Coast
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: artists were really not trying to be a part of that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: They were really trying to pull back from it, you know.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, say what you want about Snoop, but Snoop
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: was trying to pull back from it, like they were
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: not trying to lean into the East coast West coast,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: but Puffy was and was benefiting from it again marketing genius.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: They were using it for marketing, and in that month
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all remember that time. It was ugly,
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: but it wasn't two sided, And so I had an
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: issue with him even from then because of that. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I didn't even know who he was until that stampede.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: That's how I found out who Puffy was. So I
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: was never a fan only because I was like, that
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: was crazy. I forgot it was nine people that died.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: So you just add up all of the pain he
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: has caused. I think he got off easy. I'm sorry,
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: dragging Cassie across the floor like a rag doll, beating
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: her up. I'm like, they just charged them wrong.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: What should his charges? What should they have been?
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Assault? Battery? You know? I mean, like they didn't charge
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: anything like that, So they didn't give the jury enough
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: to convict them on, Like was there some in California?
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: So there you go, there you go. I don't know
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: what you could have charged them with. I don't know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: but I don't think Rico was going to work like
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: I don't think they had that. But I think he
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: got off easy based on with you, based on just
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: if everything in that dock is true, he got a license.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: You think politicians need that type of spectacle moving forward
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in order just to cut through.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the attention economy thing is real, Like it's real,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Like Americans have been trained on a certain kind of
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: attention and they lose their very short attention spans and
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: people can't pay attention to stuff. Although I'm surprised, Like
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: we do a two hour show and we used to
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: be one hours, And I'm like, are people going to
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: sit and listen to ours? And literally people will sit
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and listening to Like people actually have a longer attention
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: span than we give him credit for, you know this show.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean. People will listen for a
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: while if they're interested in what you're saying. So people
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: can have a long attention span. But for politicians it's increased.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: From Kennedy on. They need celebrity. You know, Kennedy beats
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Nixon because he's a celebrity. I mean, he's a celebrity.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: He's young, he's good looking. The other guy's old and sweating.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: You know, you can't beat that, you can. And then
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton he's out there playing the SAgs of hoone
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: like he's entertaining, and it just gets Ronald Reagan actor
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: and it's like we keep on pushing the politicians. Obama,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: you know, Obama's out there sinking threes and you know
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: he got you know, will I am making a song
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: about his jugu listen, and it's like, now we've like
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: and then you get to Trump, who's like a literal
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: celebrity who's from the Apprentice, and everybody's like, I know him,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: even though everything about the Apprentice was false, like he
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: was broke when he did the Apprentice, but nobody knew
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: to act like he was rich, and it's like, no,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: he was actually broke, so no one knew. It's just
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: and it's so artificial that I'm like, what are we
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: going to have to do? Look what Gavin is doing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom is like, got it, understand the assignment. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: need to be entertaining. I need to be atroll because
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: he knows that's the way to win.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So have we fully crossed into spectacle politics where entertainment
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: value outruns policies?
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately? I think so yeah, I don't know how we
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: go back. Can you imagine just like a normal nerdy,
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: like smart politician winning. I can't imagine that Mam Donnie
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: was entertaining as helf His ads were so entertaining, like
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: you've got to be authentic and entertaining. That's what people need,
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: that's what people want.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: How do right now in this moment, how does Mandani
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: or whoever use what's happened in New York with Diddy
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: to further whatever did he So he's locked up now, right,
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: but there's gonna be conversations about if he gets in
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: a pill, if he comes home.
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: Is there a way that they use this moment.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: I'm donnie whoever politically to further what they have going on,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: because there are still a lot of people who feel like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: did he wasn't charged the way he should have been.
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: There are people that feel like it's unfair that he
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: even has an appeal.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: Conversation, which is his legal right, Like there's a lot
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: of people still.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Upset to do that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: Well, this politician is in general like using this moment
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: because it's so big, like.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Trump, and I'm just assuming he's he's already writing that check.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Like when Mayor Adams took the keyback, people were pissed.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: They're like, he took too long to do that, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: if he had moved faster, it would have made a difference.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: Like I guess I'm just asking in general, how do
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: you capitalize off a moment like this if we need
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: those spectacles and politics.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the thing is, you have to remember,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: like I think, the only reason that Cassie was able
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: to do her lawsuit in the first place is because,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: you know, the New York State. New York State opened
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: up that that law that allowed you to do back cases.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: They opened up the statute of limitations e g. And
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Carroll gets in there first, actually wins a case against Trump.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: That's how that opened it up, and then she, you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: all of these other cases, including Cassie's, followed. So I
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: think there's a public policy conversation. Opening that up was
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: actually a big deal because it did allow women who
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: were too scared to come forward back in the day,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: and a lot of this was in the nineties. A
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: lot of this was in like you know, that era
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: when it was kind of open season on women and
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: you know, in entertainment unfortunately, but they were able to
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: then get their cases heard because they were from the nineties.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: More of that kind of public policy he probably needs
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: to happen, I would say that would be what it is,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: because there's nothing you Trump is probably gonna parten. We
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: know he's right in the check to get his pardon, right, Like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: as soon as that check leers or the money gets
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: into Trump account or whatever he's doing to get I'm
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: sure he'll get a parton Because also remember James Comy's daughter.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I believe it was the prosecutor in the case got
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: she was fired after I fired.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: That's what made me think of it, because I thought
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: about the fact that during it she was fired. That
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: didn't work out well for the DA's in New York.
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: It made them look stupid.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, Trump hates the Komis so
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: much that he would almost pardon him just to write,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: just to just to crab on her, Like I could
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: see it, you know. So I'm assuming he gets a pardon,
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: there's probably nothing we could do. Question for me culturally,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: does he get to come back.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: We'll come back as what.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: That, that was my question I asked, And I'm like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: what does he do when he comes home? Yeah? What
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: does he do?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he could come back as, because
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, you know, it
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: was the liquor that kept him very relevant. You know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: that's revolt that's going Yeah, it wasn't the music, right.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he could I really don't know
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: what he could do. I have no idea.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: Jokingly, I heard somebody say and they just said it jokingly,
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: like a few years ago. One of celebrity a few
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: months ago, one of the celebrities like if he got
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: to start his own church, like literally, and and it
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: was a joke, but I mean that's the only thing
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: he just got to turn completely toward.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: He could do poorn. Somebody said that to me too.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: They was like, yo, he might as well lean off
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: all the way into start a website that's like an
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: only fans call him back boy, and people on there
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: just doing wild freaking stuff, don't I don't know, But.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I will say too that as a culture, we're very
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: forgiven when it comes to people.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Celebrity give people quick. They forget when people do.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: You see they the jury is like a superman. She
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: was a superman.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: What's wrong with you?
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Girl?
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: I think she was with number three or whatever she was.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: She was such a fan. And my thing is like,
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: how was she able to stay on.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: The junior jury?
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: But even the jurors that like the other guy in
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: the doctor said he didn't know what was and during
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: jury selection, they were asking celebrity and they hes trying
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: to make sure that like you didn't know as much
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: to see how much you knew. In my mind, I'm thinking,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: even if you walk in here not knowing who he is,
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: if all of this is happening, you can tell they're
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: going out their way to make sure you don't understand celebrity.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: You're going to start being like, Okay, what's the selection
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: They're not They're.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Going home and everybody's like, oh my, the case you're
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: on it, you know what I mean? Like they didn't
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: even squashed the jury, like they built that for him.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: But that's what I'm saying. That is the level of
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: privilege he had that he literally he's been getting away
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: with stuff so long he knew he would. I mean,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: the fact that you have cameras follow when you're around
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: every day and then don't think you should pay them.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: That's that's crazy, Like that's a level of arrogance.
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: That's insane, because we wouldn't even have this doc page
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: the video, just.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Pay the videographer, Like do you not understand that they
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: own that footage? So it's like just the arrogance. So
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know where he would come back, but I
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: think he would have the I feel like he would
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: have the balls to try to come back. I'm trying to.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: Still got such a fan base. People are like hating
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: fifty cent. People are not believing anything like.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Cent didn't make the film right, like it's not the Executiveroducer.
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: But like his he got that man got a strong
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: cult fand what.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know what I'm say, I don't know
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: what he can do for money, Like, yeah, I know
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: people will still like him do for money.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: I think there's going to be something like visually, like
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: he's going to try to do like a whole Here's
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: what my life was like, here's what I've learned, because
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: people will watch. So wherever you could get money off of,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: like people document.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Has he ever not had an ego? Yeah? You know
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: what I mean. Always because it's cripple now was crushed.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: They'll be in your artice that they'll work with.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because if he
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: has a he has an air, they'll just be behind
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the scenes.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: You'll never see him in the face and you look.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Up but he also has like a hundred losses at
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: breaking gonna have to be like who's gay?
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: Is the dickens Like, it's gonna have to be somebody
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: who's like not afraid, like let's get freaky.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Is it that the guy is gonna have to.
• 46:32
  Speaker 8: Be a young gay guy who like who has been
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: taking it, you know? And that is because you can't
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: scare a person like that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: But who also doesn't worry about getting paid. I mean
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: the piece about him, not that part paying his people
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: the producers that do. I mean like him, had you
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: produce a whole album and you got sixty seven dollars
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: in your bank account or you having to ask right
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: when Craig Man had to said sixty yes, happen to
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: ask him for one hundred dollars. This is humiliating. You
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: have a Grammy nominator like he was. He was not
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: with the I want to say, maybe the worst part
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: the whole, the two part Biggie thing shook me for
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: like I lost sleep over it. But when that sister
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: that was in that dirt Diddy dirty money said I
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: need five thousand dollars, yeah, to try to hold on
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: to my child, And he said, can't help you and
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: then we're doing.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: That like a week later, and said, hey, I need
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: you to do this for me.
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: And didn't even had the balls to tell her, I
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: know you were jumping a casket if a nigga was
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: to die right now, And she said yeah, yeah, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: she did.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: And that goes to what MP's talking about is the
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: celebrity thing of it. And I also think because even
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: in court, like people would testify and it be at
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: the end like but I still love him.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: There's this weird I don't know.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: It's like the celebrity and the lifestyle that he's afforded
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: a lot of people. I think people hold on to it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: It's a very weird attachment.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It's a childhood memory too though, right because you figure,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people the nineties and two thousands
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of the year they grew up, so they remember so
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: much of it, right, even like you look at all Kelly,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: are the worst stuff that oh Kelly did. When you
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: hear a song, it brings you back to a moment
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of time, right, you know. I mean Stepping the Name
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: of Love was the song me and my wife and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: my daughter danced to. So when I hear it, it
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: brings me back there. It doesn't bring me back to
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the guy that Pete on a young girl, you know
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: So it's.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: But it's hard for me though, because you know what,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I love that era. I love that era of hip hop.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: I think it was probably the greatest era hip hop
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: is probably ninety three to like two thousand and three,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like that era was such
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: a strong era and hipop. It's such a part of
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: my memory. My kids were all born in the nineties,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: so it's like it was a part of even my
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: memories of my children, Like this was like part of
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: our lot. I mean, when Tupac and Biggie died, I
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: was like I cried, like I knew them, you know
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: what I mean. But it's like I can't go back
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: and listen to Biggie songs without having him all in
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: the song. And it turns out sug who everybody thought
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: was the villain at the time, he was trying to
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: tell us the truth. He's all in the song. So
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to listen to Biggie and he's all up
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: in the music. You can't escape him. He's made it
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: so he meshed himself so much in that music that
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: you can't even enjoy it without having me confronted by him,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: which I actually resent because I was not a fan
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: of what he did to hip hop. Like you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: I love try call quest If you go listen to
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: a Tribe song. They got forty samples in the song.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: You have no idea what it is. You have to
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: really use your brain and think and figure out what
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: of those samples. He would just rinse the whole song.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: It's like, here's a whole song and let me just
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: go ahead and rap over it like that was. I
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: didn't love that for hip hop at all, and I
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: don't love the way he's so enmessed in the music.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: I love, you know it bothers me from home, Brooklyn,
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Brooklyn I grew Yeah, but I moved back to Brooklyn
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: when I was eighteen. So I grew up in Denver, Colorado.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Left when I was two, went to Denver, came back
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: at eighteen, and then lived here for a decade. Time
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: bad look, but you know what, there's so many bad
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: boy artists. I mean, I thought one twelve, well, what was?
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: I loved one twelve like a lot. Craig Mac I
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: love that, you know, flavor and your remix like this
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: is like it's classic music, and I'm you know, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: it's hard to confront, Like how do I deal with it?
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I mean because as you just said, it's too much
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: music attached. You didn't. I can't do that. I'm not
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: even trying to go down that road. That's too much.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I got to give up Joas, giving up uptown and bad.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: That's the crazy thing in me. I'm I'm such a baby.
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: I had no idea until I started working here that
• 50:23
  Speaker 8: One twelve was his work.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: I had no idea that the only one who really
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: to me escaped the whole clutches was Mary. Like Mary
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: came out of it, even though she had a lot
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: of challenges. But I mean she had Angelo Lerb like
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: she had other people around her. But you think about
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: the groups, where are they? Where is one twelve? Where
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: is Jodasy? One of the greatest R and.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: B groups was just up there?
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: But Joasy, you're.
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: Right where his Farns were Bentley. But that's not a
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: it's not that's not a single.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Of all the stuff.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Farns worth the smartest. Leave me alone. I got my
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: kids and my wife my family moved on. He just
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: moved on.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: He wasn't even in it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: What did you think about going back to Trump? About
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: him getting his peace prize.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: Up and down?
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: It's the fun to me, this is the funniest story.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: This is what we're doing tonight on the show because
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: I find this to be the most hilarious thing. This
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: poor man is living his bucket list. I'm like, I
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: don't know if he's sick or not well, but he
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: really is doing like a bucket list thing where he's like,
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: I have all these things. I want to be a billionaire.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: They're like, here man has some crypto like they're just
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: feeding him stuff on his bucket list to make him
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: happy because they just want him to just be happy.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: So he's staying playing traffic while they run the country. Right.
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: This man wanted to Nobel Peace Prize so badly he
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: couldn't get it. He's like I've saw twelve vords, like no,
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: you haven't. And he's so needy and pathetic that he
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: wants a peace prize and FIFA knew how to play him.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: They are like, we'll just invent a peace prize. Let
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: me just give it to you. Because literally they are
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: one of the most corrupt organizations in history. If you
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: love soccer, FIFA is mad corrupt, really crazy corrupt. There's
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: so many scandals and bribery scandals about like who gets
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: the World Cup and what cities get it and a
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: bribery like FIFA is scandalized for years for being corrupt.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: The man who runs FIFA comes over and hands Trump
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: made up gold medal. You know, like when you like
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: somebody just want you to come to an event and
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: they give you an award, and that award is you
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: the first one to get it right, because they just
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: wanted you to come. Get you.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: The La Times was saying that a part of them
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: making it up too is because they're trying to make
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: sure that they don't have like interference with a lot
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: of the stuff they have coming in, Like they're trying
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: to make friends with.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Him because when so, the World Cup is coming in
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty six to the United States. It's gonna be
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: in the Canada, Mexico and the US. Trump had already
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: threatened they're gonna have ice at the games, because who
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: plays in a World Cup? A lot of Latin you know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: a lot of Africans, a lot of it's a lot
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: of black and brown people. Most of the stars are black,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: even in like the French team, all the stars are black.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Like all the Italian teams, all the stars are black.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: So you're talking about a lot of black and brown
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: people coming here to play soccer, and they're going to
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: be in all these different cities. He's threatening to take
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: the World Cup match games away from blue cities. He
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't like if they don't let him do immigration stuff.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: He's throwing all the threats out, the usual Trump shit,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: and so the reaction of FIFA is they don't want
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: the World Cup disrupted. So they're like, here's how we
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: can tame him. We'll just give him a fake prize
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: that we made up for him. It's pathetic. It's like
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: the most pathetic thing a president has ever done. It's sad.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: It's like in order, and he's so.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: O I'm so honored.
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: Let me just accept, let me put it on right now.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: I don't even want to wait. I'm gonna put it
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: on me right now. And it's like, dude, that's not
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: a real peace prize. It's not real. They've made it up.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: But he's so glorified, he feels so glorified.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: It's empathetic when you think about the public conversation that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was around you know, Biden's you know age, and you're
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: starting to be a public conversation around Trump's age and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: stamina and stuff like that. Are we having an honest
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: enough conversation about age and leadership?
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: No? I mean, and first of all, they're just I'm like,
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: where is Jake Tapper on this? This dude is sundown ing.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: We had a guy on who's who's the founder of
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: duty to Warn? John Gartner? Doctor John Gardner. He's a psychotherapist.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: This is this is what his specialty is, and he
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: is like, from a clinician's point of view, this man
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: is sundowning. He has cognitive decline that you can see
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: screaming at reporters, calling people piggy, yelling at them like
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: this is like not even how he used to be
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: ten years ago. His his his sort of verbal acuity
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: has gone down. His the sort of range of words
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: in his you know that he can access in his
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: vocabulary has been decreased. Like he clearly is in the
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: cline and no one is sounding along that they did
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: with Biden. Biden with shambling and shuffling and we could
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: see it was all but with Trump, like the decline
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: is like in your face and we're not having this
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: conversation and we're not saying do we trust him with
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: the button?
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I wonder that's a good point.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder what trump the difference between Trump and Biden
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Biden was in office and was campaigning again, I wonder
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: if we saw this on the campaign trail, what the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: conversation would have.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: Been, Like, I mean, but we did see it on
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: the campaign trail. With Trump, it's just that everyone would
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: stay and watch him. So like he did a Fox interview.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Do you remember the interview he did? It was like
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: a barbershop type of thing. It was like he was
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: in like a like a barber shop sort of situation
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: and he's talking to all these different and it was
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: like really cut short on Fox. But if you watch
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: the longer clips, he's just rambling. Like if it was
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: your grandpa, you would be like you need your medications
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: or then you know, like this guy works from noon
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: to five pm. That's a five hour day. The presidency
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: is like a twenty four hour day job. He works
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: five Clearly, the marks on his hands, the cankles, he's
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: not well, and that's like no one wants to They
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: were pretending that he's not declining before us, and he
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: has three more years at least, and he wants to
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: stay in and be he claims he gonna run again
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: at twenty twenty eight.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Would give me another ridiculous conversation. I don't even if
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: people should be entertaining that conversation. Like that's when I
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: get mad at media because I'm like, stop having that conversation.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Let people know this cannot can't happen. Unconstitutional, Right, it's
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: against the law, except.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: If he just stayed in office. Who loan check and
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: move but the military. But that's the.
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: Thing saying that he can't do it. What other things
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: that we not know that he can't do that, he's
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: just doing them.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: So it's like that's what I worry about.
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: Some people are scared maybe he is going to run again,
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: because yeah, by law, you can't.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: You can't run more than twice, right, you cannot run.
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: He can't even run as vice president because he would
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: be eligible to be president if anything happened to the present,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: Like he can't do any of it. But my question
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: is maybe he just stays. I mean, the last time
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: he tried. If you think about what he did in
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, he didn't try to run again. He
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: just tried to not leave. Yeah hmmm, So I mean
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: he did try this before, and now he got away
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: with that pardoned all the people who helped him try
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: to He tried to just not leave. So why wouldn't
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: he try it again now that he's been affirmed by
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: the Supreme Court that there was nothing wrong with that,
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: that he cannot commit a crime, that he can kill
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: someone with Seal Team six and he literally is killing
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: boats with Seal Team six, which is what the Supreme
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: Court that he could do. They said he could sell pardons.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: He's doing that, we think. I mean, I don't know
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: if he's selling them, but somebody's selling his transacting money
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: for pardons to happen. He's doing whatever he wants. So
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: if he decides I'm gonna repeat my twenty twenty one
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: thing and just not leave, Hugo, check them boo. I'm
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: just wondering who's going to be that person that's gonna
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: check him. I'm not sure not the Supreme Court. Won't
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: they just be like, you know, we read the Constitution
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: and we realized that maybe Trump could just stay like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: are they going to stop them? That's what I'm saying.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: In the early stages of democratic collection.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, a Happy Hour.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Birthday show Monday, Wednesday and Friday sixty eight pm. And
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: what's your happy birthday? While she's stressing the South, have
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: mery man. Thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: This was fun. This is a perfect way to talk
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  Speaker 5: my birthday. Stress them other folks out there joined me.
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  Speaker 3: And where can they watch the show Joy?
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: They can watch it on YouTube at the joy readshow
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: dot com and today the subtect is joyaneread dot com.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, it's the Breakfast Club. Good Morning every
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: day a week ago.
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  Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. Y'all done.