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Friday the 13th (2009) · Beyond The Blood: A Horror Movie Commentary Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Ever have that one movie everyone assumes you've seen, but
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  Speaker 1: you haven't. You know, the one, the classic, the cult favorite,
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  Speaker 1: the how have you not seen that movie? Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the Shameless Picture Show. Twice a month, I sit down
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  Speaker 1: with the guests who finally cross one of those.
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  Speaker 2: Films off our shame lists.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's their first watch and sometimes it's mine, but sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: It's new for both of us.
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  Speaker 1: Then we dine the characters, the cultural impact, and whether
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  Speaker 1: it actually lives up to the hype. From legendary classics
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  Speaker 3: The films we somehow missed along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Join us as we turn movie shame into movie discussion.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Shameless Picture Show.
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  Speaker 4: You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to ask you. I want to ask
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  Speaker 2: you if maybe you've you've seen somebody?
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  Speaker 4: My sister, she came camping up around here with some
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  Speaker 4: friends and she's going missing.
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  Speaker 5: Sheane missing, she's dead. What people go missing around here?
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  Speaker 5: They're gone for good. Outsiders come, they don't know where
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  Speaker 5: to walk. They bring trouble. You just won't be left alone,
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  Speaker 5: and so does he?
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  Speaker 2: So does who?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Please whom?
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  Speaker 3: Hello all you campers gather around the campfire because tonight
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  Speaker 3: I'm beyond the blood. We're talking about Jason, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't mean Jason Siegel. I don't even mean Jason Stathum.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about Jason four. Yes, you know the name Steve,
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  Speaker 3: I've heard of him. Yeah, tonight we were talking about
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  Speaker 3: Friday the Thirteenth from two thousand and nine, directed by
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  Speaker 3: Marcus the Spell. We have a little bit of a
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  Speaker 3: mess with this one. We got numerous commentary tracks kind
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  Speaker 3: of coming in and out, and this one was this
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  Speaker 3: was a fun time.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like a Frankenstein episode. It feels almost like
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  Speaker 2: appropriate given and you know Jason in the context of
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  Speaker 2: how he continues to keep coming back and comes back
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  Speaker 2: to life over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, basically, my name is Chris Higgins. I go by
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  Speaker 3: the Bearded film Guy and has always been joined by
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  Speaker 3: my incredible host Steve from After Howards video.
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  Speaker 2: What's Happening Man Ray tou Prady to tell some ghost
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  Speaker 2: stories around the campfire or what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know this was okay. We did the original
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  Speaker 3: Friday the Thirteenth with Pizzle, and when we were kind
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  Speaker 3: of sitting back and questioning what we were going to
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  Speaker 3: cover next. I thought this was gonna be like, I
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  Speaker 3: thought this was a home run, a brand slam, because.
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  Speaker 2: Did you like the movie so much?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because of one of the commentary tracks, Man,
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  Speaker 3: one of the commentary tracks that are on the new
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  Speaker 3: Arrow four K release, I was super excited about. Not
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  Speaker 3: that I'm any less excited about that commentary track, but
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  Speaker 3: I think we both learned really quickly that we had
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  Speaker 3: to kind of go back to dig up some more
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  Speaker 3: information from a different set of people, Yeah, to try
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  Speaker 3: to get enough information to have a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: To Camp Crystal Lake.
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  Speaker 3: We went to Camp Crystal Lake. We survived Jason, then
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  Speaker 3: we went back. We're like, we got to go back.
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  Speaker 3: We got to face him again. He's still there. We
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  Speaker 3: don't got enough time to let this be right. So
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  Speaker 3: this episode I think is really, I think a testament
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  Speaker 3: to the varying types of audio commentaries you can find
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  Speaker 3: yourself getting into. And we'll go we'll go into that,
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  Speaker 3: all right. Well, I'll talk about that in a bit.
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  Speaker 3: What's your what's your take? On Friday thirteenth, two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and nine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Man, So well, this was, if I recall correctly,
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  Speaker 2: this was the first Friday, the thirteenth film, I guess
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  Speaker 2: it would be the most recent one that we got,
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  Speaker 2: but that was my one and only experience being able
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  Speaker 2: to see this when it was in theaters.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you did okay.
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  Speaker 2: Outside of that, I mean, some of the older ones,
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  Speaker 2: like the first couple, I've seen at the drive in before,
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  Speaker 2: but for this, this was an actual theatrical experience. I
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  Speaker 2: think that That's why when I go back and I
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  Speaker 2: revisit this one, Stephanie nostalgic and it definitely feels like
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  Speaker 2: during that remake era that we were getting. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know between this Texas, Chainsaw Rob, Zombies, Halloween. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I love revisiting this film. To be honest, you have.
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  Speaker 3: The well obviously you do because of this, but you
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  Speaker 3: were excited about the Arrow four K announcement.
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  Speaker 2: For this, Yeah, it was a welcome surprise. That was
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  Speaker 2: the first out of the three that we've gotten so far,
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  Speaker 2: and I have to say it looks stunning packaging all
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  Speaker 2: the way down to the transfer, all the the audio
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  Speaker 2: commentaries that we get on this, as well as special features.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely a loaded set. This is one that I feel
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  Speaker 2: like more recently I would highly recommend for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, This was a great set, and this was one
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  Speaker 3: that I jumped on immediately, like, bought this right away,
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  Speaker 3: this Jason X Jason Goes to Hell. Even the two
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  Speaker 3: TCM of three TCM the beginning, like these were day
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  Speaker 3: one pre orders for me. I was super stoked to
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  Speaker 3: see exactly what we could get from air video for
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  Speaker 3: these movies, and we didn't already have before, right because
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  Speaker 3: this is I think these make like the third copy
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  Speaker 3: of each of these movies that I own, So it
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  Speaker 3: was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Like I took a problem to have, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, how.
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  Speaker 3: Many how many more of these do I need? But
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  Speaker 3: this was really cool because we got numerous commentary tracks
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  Speaker 3: across both the theatrical cut and the Killer cut of the film,
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  Speaker 3: and you and I initially were planning on strictly covering
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  Speaker 3: the commentary track on the final cut, which was with
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  Speaker 3: Alexander Heller Nicholss and Josh Nelson. Yes, for those who
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  Speaker 3: don't know, Alexander Heller Nicholas is one of my favorite
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  Speaker 3: voices in all of film, basically film discussion, film criticism.
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  Speaker 3: She has written numerous books that I owned that are
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  Speaker 3: actually on the shelf right over here. Absolutely just just
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  Speaker 3: love reading and listening to her talk about movies, a
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  Speaker 3: huge inspiration for me. On the theatrical cut, which is
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  Speaker 3: a different disc also available in four K in a set,
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  Speaker 3: there's a commentary track with the writers, and then there's
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  Speaker 3: a commentary track with Marcus the Spell, which was the
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  Speaker 3: only commentary track he ever recorded for the movie, which
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  Speaker 3: was recorded what sixteen years after the movie came out.
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  Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's it's really cool. And
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  Speaker 3: you and I were going back and forth because we
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  Speaker 3: had both listened to the woman Alexander Heller Nicholas, and
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  Speaker 3: as you'll hear it a bit, we couldn't exactly dig
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  Speaker 3: a lot out of it that was worthy of an
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  Speaker 3: hour and a half discussion. It is an incredible track,
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  Speaker 3: Like I cannot urge people enough to go give it
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  Speaker 3: a listen, But for what we do where we're really
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  Speaker 3: kind of breaking down and trying to figure out what
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  Speaker 3: we can learn. The discussion between her and Josh was
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  Speaker 3: very broad, very insightful, but not very particular to this
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  Speaker 3: film in general. More so the kind of the conversation
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  Speaker 3: of the American the American horror remakes and such like that,
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  Speaker 3: how did you come out of that commentary track feeling
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  Speaker 3: for the market spell No that Alexander Heller Nicholas Josh.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my bad. Yeah, I mean I definitely felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was It was really informative. I felt like what
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  Speaker 2: I was able to take away from just this experience, this,
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  Speaker 2: this rewatch, this experience as a whole. I felt like
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  Speaker 2: I was able to take a little bit more away
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  Speaker 2: from the marcuts to spell audio commentary, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: and I felt like that that was, you know, hearing
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  Speaker 2: straight from the source. It was a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: eye opening to me because I didn't realize exactly what
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  Speaker 2: type of experience he had had during filming this, which
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  Speaker 2: I thought was fascinating. So that was the one that
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  Speaker 2: I preferred just a little bit more, if I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 2: and was able to tap into that for the deep
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  Speaker 2: dive that we're gonna be doing on this movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think what we have here is
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  Speaker 3: sort of a perfect release that kind of shows off
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  Speaker 3: the different types of audio commentaries, and people are either
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  Speaker 3: going to love one of these and hate the other,
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  Speaker 3: or they're going to dig both, depending on what level
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you are in the genre and how
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  Speaker 3: far you get in discussion wise is going to depend
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  Speaker 3: really where you're going to fall. But I think it's
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  Speaker 3: great that Aero Video was able to source out not
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  Speaker 3: only Alexander Heller, Nicholson Josh Nelson to do a commentary track,
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  Speaker 3: but also get misspelled back, get the writers back to
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  Speaker 3: do it, actually invest into this movie a lot, because
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  Speaker 3: this is a movie that I think, in general is
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  Speaker 3: pretty beloved.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I would definitely say this is I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think when you talk about this specific decade of film
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  Speaker 2: that we were getting a lot of remakes, some to
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  Speaker 2: varying quality. I would say that this is usually received
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  Speaker 2: as like one of the better ones that we got
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  Speaker 2: during this time. I speak on my own behalf. This
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  Speaker 2: is one that I come back to more often than not.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, I was the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: So in every single episode of this show for nearly
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  Speaker 3: two years now, I've said how doing the research for
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  Speaker 3: these episodes has made me love a movie even more
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  Speaker 3: than I did before this. I actually like the movie
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  Speaker 3: less than I did before.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. Some films are like that. I know we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about a few before we I'm down here
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  Speaker 2: to record, but yeah, yeah, I certainly could understand that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's certain things I think in hindsight
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  Speaker 2: that do work about this and other things that maybe
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  Speaker 2: I might not always agree with the audience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I americrantly before we hit play, I think
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  Speaker 3: you said something along the lines of like Interstellar's Christopher
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  Speaker 3: Nolan's weakest, I never said, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Our rumors started.
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  Speaker 3: The better you better, you better watch your back, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not raiding anything anymore. No, no, no, I always I've
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  Speaker 3: always liked this movie. I always thought this movie was good.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that I think I found myself with
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more nitpicky about certain things on these
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  Speaker 3: couple of watches. And I think the Friday thirteenth franchise
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  Speaker 3: is one It's always going to be like a continuous
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  Speaker 3: swapping around for me, in like a ranking situation. I
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  Speaker 3: have never rewatched a franchise and stuck true to how
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  Speaker 3: I feel about certain entries. It always changes, well, especially
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  Speaker 3: with this franchise. For me, at least, these are comfort movies,
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  Speaker 3: at least the first eight, and then you know the
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  Speaker 3: rest of them might pick and choose when I'm going
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  Speaker 3: back to watch them. But this is one that I
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  Speaker 3: feel like you get a little bit of everything in it.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely a different take on Jason compared to anything
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen before, and we'll obviously dive into that
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  Speaker 3: a little bit later on. But yeah, overall, I mean
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  Speaker 3: I always put this up there with Texas Chainsaw. Definitely
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  Speaker 3: a lot of overlap between the teams that were associated
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  Speaker 3: with both films. So yeah, yeah, so let's let's dive
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  Speaker 3: into it all right. So first I have do you
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of notes from the Alexander Heller Nicholas commentary?
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  Speaker 2: Most of mine are all through the Marcus to Spell
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  Speaker 2: commentary for me first or personally for my notes.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So I'll go over to things that I
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  Speaker 3: that I got from this that I thought were super important.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, this commentary truck is only on the
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  Speaker 3: the Killer Cut disc It's the only commentary track available
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  Speaker 3: on the Killer Cut for the aerow of four K release.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant track. Much more of a broader discussion than particularly
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  Speaker 3: like a It's more of like a discussion of where
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  Speaker 3: this film lands in kind of like the overall genre
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  Speaker 3: movements of the two thousands, and it's absolutely fascinating, full
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  Speaker 3: of education. I definitely think this track needs to be
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  Speaker 3: listened to. But Alexander Helen Nicholas at one point brings
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  Speaker 3: up an incredibly interesting point that basically into two thousands,
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  Speaker 3: you had this explosion period for these glossy horror remakes
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  Speaker 3: led by Platinum Dunes. We know we lived it. I
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  Speaker 3: was there, but we were there, bro But there is
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  Speaker 3: this kind of substantial changing period in two thousand and
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  Speaker 3: nine when Paranormal Activity comes out that was technically like
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  Speaker 3: debuted in two thousand and seven, went wide theatrical release
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. Friday the Thirteenth was released eight
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  Speaker 3: months before Paranormal Activity was And if you want to
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  Speaker 3: mark Paranormal Activity as a new era for horror, talking
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  Speaker 3: about spawning into like the conjuring is much more like, yeah, insidious,
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  Speaker 3: a supernatural kind of realm. Friday Thirteenth actually kind of
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  Speaker 3: book ends a pretty clear change in genre tone, and
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  Speaker 3: her and Josh actually kind of say that Friday Thirteenth,
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  Speaker 3: two thousand and nine is kind of the movie that
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  Speaker 3: closes out an era that we'll never see again, which
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  Speaker 3: I never thought about in in that context, are.
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  Speaker 2: You trying to tell me that the r in Elm
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  Speaker 2: Street remake doesn't do it for you?
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  Speaker 3: What are we what are we been talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Anyways?
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  Speaker 3: Which one is about the one coming out soon?
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  Speaker 2: For that one, that's a whole separate conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I just thought this was an interesting point because it's
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  Speaker 3: a oh, she's right, like, you know, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I personally am a bigger fan of the
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  Speaker 3: pre of the pre Paranormal Activity two thousands horror than
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  Speaker 3: I am of the you know, insidious conjuring kind of
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  Speaker 3: like that James Wan Blumhouse period. I think James Wand
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  Speaker 3: is an incredible director, but it's more so like what
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  Speaker 3: came from inspiration as inspiration from what Wan did, and
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  Speaker 3: kind of like the path that that horror went on
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  Speaker 3: for a long while, which I think actually kind of
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  Speaker 3: lasted until Ty West came in with X and Pearl
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  Speaker 3: and Maxine and that kind of I feel like, relaunched
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  Speaker 3: a new.
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  Speaker 2: You definitely had a lot in between that that I
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  Speaker 2: felt like, you know, once you're starting getting films like
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  Speaker 2: The Witch, it follows kind of all kicks starting. What
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  Speaker 2: would you consider that more of like the Elevator horror
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  Speaker 2: that started coming out around that time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I hate that term, but I guess
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  Speaker 3: if that's.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it's elevated horror.
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  Speaker 3: Understanding it's l elevated, it's smarter.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't understand.
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  Speaker 3: God elevated black, Philip Black, Philip Black. I had to
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  Speaker 3: do it. Uh, yeah, the elevated horror. Don't even get
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  Speaker 3: me started on the babaduk. That movie sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I I I wouldn't go that far, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's as uh.
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  Speaker 3: That kid should have died act one way better movie,
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  Speaker 3: way better movie. One other note, and I think this
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  Speaker 3: is probably one of the most important notes. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to go over this entire episode because this is very
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  Speaker 3: up my alley and I want people to to really
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  Speaker 3: go and find this. At one point in this commentary track,
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  Speaker 3: Josh Nelson cites a an Academia publication titled Reanimated the
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  Speaker 3: Contemporary Horror Remake by Laura Me and I'm gonna have
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  Speaker 3: this linked in the description below so people can find
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  Speaker 3: it and possibly give this a read, and he brings
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  Speaker 3: up a point that was raised in this publication, talking
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  Speaker 3: about the kind of hypocrisy that goes on where people
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  Speaker 3: kind of instantly dismiss a movie because it's a remake.
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  Speaker 3: And we see this all the time. We see this
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  Speaker 3: with new information of remakes. We've seen this forever right
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  Speaker 3: where there's a crowd of people who are instantly like,
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  Speaker 3: this has no merit because it's a remake. Right time
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  Speaker 3: and time again, this has happened. I think every remake
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  Speaker 3: to some extent has had this reaction. And he brings up,
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  Speaker 3: obviously through citing this publication, that horror goes in cycles,
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  Speaker 3: and that some of the most beloved films in this
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  Speaker 3: genre are remakes in themselves, and he goes on to
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  Speaker 3: directly talk about Cronaberg's The Fly Carpenter is the Thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, those were his two kind of biggest He's like,
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  Speaker 3: and I believe this is exact quoel. He said, like,
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  Speaker 3: three movies in his top five from the eighties are
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  Speaker 3: remakes The Blob, Chuck Russell's The Blob or remp Chuck Russell.
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  Speaker 3: Those are three titles that were all in his top five,
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  Speaker 3: all remakes. So he goes through just talking about how
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  Speaker 3: this cycle of remakes, this is not gonna be This
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  Speaker 3: is obviously not the first and this is not the
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  Speaker 3: last time this will ever happen. This will come back
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  Speaker 3: around again, and we'll get you know this again.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it. I mean, if you dissect this film,
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  Speaker 2: you take it a little bit further. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: an amalgamation of a lot of the earlier Friday the
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  Speaker 2: Thirteenth films, kind of cherry picking certain aspects about it,
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  Speaker 2: while I think giving us a much different portrayal of
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  Speaker 2: Jason as a whole and just how he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: instead of this hulking figure that is just stalking the campers,
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  Speaker 2: this one is more of like a survivalist or like
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  Speaker 2: a straight up hunter, And for that I have to
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  Speaker 2: give niss Spell and the rest of the team credit
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  Speaker 2: for at least giving something somewhat fresh. I think for
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  Speaker 2: the franchise, you know, we're how many, however many films
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  Speaker 2: in at this point, so it's like you kind of
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  Speaker 2: have to do something to introduce this character to a
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  Speaker 2: new audience.
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  Speaker 3: I yeah, I completely agree. I think Marcus Nispell was
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  Speaker 3: like a clear choice for this. His textas Chainsaw Mask
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  Speaker 3: of Remake was very good. I think that is a
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  Speaker 3: movie I will revisit more than Friday the Thirteenth, two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and nine. But I think which we'll get into
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  Speaker 3: probably in the next ten seconds here is kind of
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  Speaker 3: what Nisspell's experience was like on this movie according.
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  Speaker 2: To him, which I was surprised.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know this. I don't know how public
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: this is. I don't know if this was discussed really
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: in detail before this audio commentary. This we're gonna jump
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: into a brand new audio commentary track with director Marcus Dispell.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: This was recorded in twenty twenty five directly for this
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: error video release. Side note, This commentary tract is only
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: available in the theatrical disc this film no Killer Cut.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was It's funny you say that, because I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: was actually taking a quick look into what the main
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: difference is from the theatrical versus a killer cut. It
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: just seems like more extended scenes with additional nudity and
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: violence or gore. So it's interesting to kind of like,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: if you look at them side by side just exactly,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: you know how much it trims off and how much
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of a difference that actually ends up making it looks
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: like it is. See the cut has about nine minutes
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and forty six seconds longer than the theatrical. Yeah, it
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: looks like a lot of the the violent scenes, nudity,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and then just some additional story extensions with it. Nothing mazing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen the theatrical cut
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of this, But except for when I was doing research
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: for this, I had only I did not see this
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: in theaters. I got this on DVD, and when I
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: got this on or I got it on Blue Ray.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: When I got it on Blu Ray, it was just
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: a killer cut. So I had never seen the theatrical
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: until I was listening to this commentary track. And it
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: was actually funny because when I started the commentary track,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, I wonder if I wonder if
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Trent saying your tits are stupendous is only a killer
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: cut thing or a theatrical cut thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: The most iconic line of the whole film.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't really get answered for me because Marcus
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: des Bell was yapping over the whole entire scene. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: didn't hear if it was in there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Was it just me? Or did they like mute out
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: more of the film. It was really it was very
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: like scaled down for the volume, yes, but to a.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Degree that I like, I don't I don't want to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: know the twister situation where Yondbant is just as loud
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: as Bill Paxson is on Twitter.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: You're gonna say the Tornado.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: No, probably yeah, no, I that's probably true. That's probably true.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: On a decibel level, it was. You're probably right. They
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: did not try to separate the audio tracks whatsoever or
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: dim down the film. So I'm like here, I am
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: listening as closely as possible to hear Yondabant and Bill
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Paxson's yelling over them, and I just got to a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: point where I was like, I've had enough. I can't
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: continue to do this anymore. I can't.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So you're saying we're not gonna be covering Twister on
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Beyond the Blood.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: If somebody wants to go and separate this track from
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: me and and make it easier, it's absolutely fucking ridiculous
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that the audio was the same volume on I've fuck
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: this is impossible. I literally stopped, I like dead stop
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: the movie. I was like, I can't do this.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Insane, dude, insane. So yeah, My first note that I
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: have here is Marcus talking about his editor Ken Blackwell,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and this is where it gets interesting, and how he
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: saved this movie for him. And according to Marcus, there
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: were many hands in the kitchen and he felt like
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: a dog with many leashes. Exact quote. So I actually
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: considered taking his name off of the movie when production wrapped.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I was surprised by that because I'm thinking to myself,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: that's already you know. I mean, this is right from
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the jump of the auto commentary, he's already saying that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking myself, like, how did we not know any
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of this?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine Frida thirteen thousand and nine, directed by
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Alan Smithy?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It went and had the same ring to.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: It, yet the same ring, And when he I guess,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I guess he was in the process of potentially getting
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: his name removed, and he saw a rough cut that
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: was put together by Ken and realized that there actually
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: might be something here, and that's what had him keep
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: his name on and finish out the full post production
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: of the film.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I just don't I don't see it. I mean, I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: know you said you liked this film less, but I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: definitely feel like in the pantheon of horror remakes that
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: we got around this time, I mean, overall, it's it's
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're getting everything that you should be getting
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: from a Friday the thirteenth film. I don't understand. Maybe
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: he's just overly critical, but I think as a whole.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad movie, which I don't know.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It just seems like to such an extreme you'd want
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to have your name taken off.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is a bad movie at all.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I can and honestly in the movie, I can't really
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and never have I in the Oh my god, it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: been almost twenty years since this movie's come out. I've
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: never had a thought of like this seems like a mess.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I've never thought that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Pretty it's cohesive for the most part. But I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: when you're dealing with a franchise like Friday the Thirteenth,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have a lot of people that are trying
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to make sure it's the way that they want it
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to be. Between Victor Miller and Sean Cunningham, and I
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: don't know where the rights were at this time with them,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I know one owns, one owned rights
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: to the name, one owned rights to the character, one,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: this one that, and I don't know what that was like.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: That was probably hell to go through. But also twas
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: a nine, they had just come out of the writers strike,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: so the Hollywood in general was sort of in a
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: bit of shambles at this point.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Well, and I recall him mentioning that they weren't able
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: to make really any changes to the script, which I
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: thought was really interesting. Yeah. I think that this film
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: came out definitely during a very interesting time, you know.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was. So let's see just some quick
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: It looks like this was a eight week shoot. So
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: they shot this from April two and eight to June
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. They shot this in Austin, Texas.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: You know Texas. Well, it's okay to shoot there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I never thought that this film was like film there.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It's and I actually have a note here that I'll
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: bring up real quick. I'm I'm born and raised in
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: New Jersey. I only live a couple hours away from
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the real camp Brisila and Texas. And there's not a
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: single movement of this movie that looks like New Jersey.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: They it's like, the most New Jersey thing about this
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: movie is trans license plate. That's it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah that didn't sell you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: No, it was not sold. There's like, there's multiple shots
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: in this movie. I'm like, this is fucking Texas. What
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: are you trying to play off? Like this is not
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: And I get that most people probably don't feel that way.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: But when you're from here, you know what your state
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: looks like, you know what I mean?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a different connection to it. I mean yeah, yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Austin being a place where they had filmed. I was
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: very surprised by that. And then it looks like additional
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: scenes were shot on location at Camp Fern and Marshall, Texas.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love him talking about I don't even have
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: a note about. I'm just recalling why they're able to
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: shoot there, and it's basically because of the tax breaks
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: for the producers and the production companies and like they
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: have very lenient union laws at that time, like they
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: could get away with some ship, which is like I
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: think Marcus is spelled kind of being like yeah, like
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: you know they're they're they're fucking cheating the system by
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: doing this anyway, you know what I mean.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this film opens up and we get a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: flashback sequence throughout the credits. Did you like this touch
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: on the movie with how they're basically giving us kind
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of like a condensed version of Jason's origin.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I don't need this. It's like it does nothing except
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: just be like opening title sequence for me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I would take this over them doing a whole flashback sequence.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't need like, if you're gonna do
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: one over the other, I don't think you need anything.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I think this movie could have started right where it
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: starts with, you know, your initial group of teenagers arriving
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: when they're searching for the weed farm, and nobody would
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: have questioned anything whatsoever, you know what I mean.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that leads us right into when we get the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: group of teens. They definitely seem like they're a little
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: bit more acclimated to being in the outdoors. They're obviously,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you know, camping while they're out there. On your first watch,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: did you think that this was a group of teens
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that we were going to be following throughout the entire film,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, same.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually, I actually really like this. I love
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: this kind of this you know, Frive thirteenth part to
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of style, a little bit of Part
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: three where it's like he's got the pillow I think
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: Marcus pillow. Yeah yeah, but this time he just like
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: wrapped a pillow around his head. I think it's really
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: cool looking. There's also a couple of things in the
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: scene that I really love, and one of them is
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: actually a note that was brought up here trying to
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: see if I had any Yes, So okay, this entire
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: first Sective film actually had to be reshot oh because
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the original actress who played Amanda, who is the girl
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: who we see flashing and having sex in the tent,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: would not do the nudity. So, and according to Marcus Dispelled,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the producer felt that the nudity was incredibly important. Marcus
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: thought it was a headache.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna knock that is a par
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: thirteenth movie.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: It is. It is, uh, but like, is it important
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: enough that you forced your your production crew to recast
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and put them five days behind schedule?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I wouldn't say I wouldn't necessarily say
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: this for any other film, but it is probably the thirteenth,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And I feel like that and gorm kind of go
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: hand in hand.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, but like, I feel like you could
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: have just added some more somewhere and kept on schedule.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: That's just me, though, you know, damn it, Chris.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: But one thing that I thought was cool was that
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Jason's home air quotes home was actually like a real
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: abandoned structure that they found in Texas, and they had
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: essentially put this like giant dangling light structure over it
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: because most of the roof is already missing, and they
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: kind of constructed like individual silos that go over each room.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: That way, all the rooms would kind of be lit
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: a little bit independently. I just thought that was really
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: cool that, like, this is a real physical place that
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: they were She's creepy. It is. Yeah, it's very creepy
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: this opening scene. Do you like this new Jason?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I like it for the context of this movie. I
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if I necessarily would want this betrayal, you know,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: for any other Friday the thirteenth going forward, or I mean,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: even if they did opt to let's just hypothetically say
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: they ended up doing a sequel a couple of years later,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: whatever the case is. I could rock with it for
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: what it is, but I don't think I want that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I would not want this to be the definitive portrayal
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: of Jason going forward. It's unique. I mean, I think
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the survivalist element to his character, and you know, basically
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: how he has all the tunnels underneath the camp. It
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: works within the context of the movie. But I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that there's a part of me that will always appre
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: shape just how he's you know, a silent killer. He's
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: able to somehow get around the camp effortlessly and stock
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: each one of the counselors or you know teams that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: are you know, camping out there.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I actually think this Jason is my favorite part of
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: this movie. It's him.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's scary.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, well that's the thing, is like to me,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: if you're going to bring back Jason Voorhies, you have
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: to like no longer in two thousand and nine. It
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: is like a large lumbering man really all that scary.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that that Jason necessarily has to
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: be more scary, but it is pretty terrifying. To then
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: make him agile, make him physically more imposing, meaning through movement,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: not necessarily body structure, make him a hunter where he
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: kind of has this, like you said, vivalist structure where
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: he is able to put a man in a sleeping bag,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: hangar over the fire, which then gets you know, which
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: then makes another character run over and they step into
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a bear trap. And like it's all very very thought out,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Oh it is.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: And even the spell mentions in the commentary he's talking
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: about how and he knew this going into it, how
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the kills had to be very inventive, right, innovative, you know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: with with how they're doing them, and and I mean
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: you see this on full display here in the opening scene.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: You know, like you mentioned, you get the bear trap,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you get the you know, the sleeping bag. You know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of on on brand for Jason,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: but you get the I think it's a machete through
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the guy's head.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Like the Dawn the Dead trick.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's get everything that you want
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: out of it, and his Derek Muir's portrayal of Jason
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: is terrifying. I mean, he's just effortlessly like hutting through
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: all these teenagers, and I just love that it subverts
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: expectations with you think that this is a group that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be following the entire movie and cut away
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and then it just leads us in a completely different
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: direction after you know, the the title comes up.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Do you are you a fan of Does
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: it take you out of the movie to see somebody
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: an actor the caliber of like a Jared Pedaluchy in it?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. For this film. Maybe it would
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: be different if I had followed him through Supernatural. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: never watched a show like that, so I didn't have
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that type of connection. But it depends on the movie.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like for this, I don't really I've seen
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: it a number of times now where I don't really
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: give it too much thought. It works, you know, for
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I think his his character is pretty on brand for
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: following up obviously the events of like the intro. But
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting that just how they really
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: had to kind of change the dynamic of his height
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: given how big and tall he is. I mean, he's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: almost the equivalent of Derek Meer's portrayal Jason.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Jared Pedalucky's very tall.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I had no clue.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I like it very tall. Yeah, he I've watched my
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: wife her favorite show is Supernatural, her favorite show of
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: all time, so I've watched amost all of it to
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: this point, and it is kind of like, maybe it's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: because of that experience Supernatural where I'm like, oh, Jared
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: petal Uckey. I also think though, that this this little
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: subplot with him is a little bit of like a
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: dampen in the movie's energy, because I do think maybe
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: more so the killer cut because of the additional nine minutes.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I do think this point to me, it really drags.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: You have, like you have the opening flashback scene, which
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: is cool. Then you have this opening scene with the
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: teenagers that are going to get killed minus the sister
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: who we find out is going to be captured, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: it's very energetic, and then you kind of have like
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: this down again. And this is kind of where I
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: always find a little bit of a lull for me.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: It kind of start getting a little distracted, and then
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: like once after like the lake kill, oh, the wakeboarding, Yeah,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: I kind of get back into it. One thing that
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Marcus talks about here is all right, I'm gonna be I.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I was watching this movie and before he says this
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: this note that I'm about to say, I actually said
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: to myself, Wow, this movie would look so good if
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Daniel Pearl shot it, because I hate the way this
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: movie looks. And then he talks about how Daniel Pearl
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: returned to photograph this movie, and I was like, fuck,
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I what.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Didn't you care for about it?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: There's like a there's like Texas Chainsaw three has a
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: visual language. It has a very particular look. This movie,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't it just sort of drab. Like there's a moment
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: after the flashback in the very beginning where we go
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: from the black and white footage to the flashback to
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: a color footage that's overlooking like the like the swamp,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: the waters, and you kind of have some of the
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: greens that come back of the greenery, and it doesn't
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: even really change all that much. Like the color palette
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: from the black and white to this isn't really the
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: most Like it doesn't bring back a whole lot of saturation.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: And there's just not a lot in this movie that
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: feels like there's moments in Texas Chains all O three
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: that visually I can recall back to that I really enjoy.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: There's there's a style to it, right, thirty two thousand
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and nine feels like it doesn't have a style. It
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: just sort of looks, at least to me, it looks
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: kind of uninspired.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like certain moments that I kind of going
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: back to what we were talking about, like certain moments
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: that stand out a little bit more than others. You
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: get like the moment like we were talking about, like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the Wakebourne scene. There's like certain elements of that that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it looks stunning, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: when he's standing off on the shore and just kind of,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: you know, lurking from a distance. I think there's aspects
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: about that that that connect for me. But I can
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: certainly understand that. I definitely feel like that. There's other
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: moments where I'm like, I think it looks it looks nice,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't have a very distinct style. And one
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: thing that we overlooked earlier, not to backtrack, but the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: placement of a night Ranger's sister Christian the best use
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: of music and probably any of these horror remakes by far.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I love that song and the fact that it basically
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: like anytime I hear it, I have this association with
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: this film as a result of it, but it feels
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: very like on point for kind of like a callback
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: for you know, back in the eighties.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: This is what the friend's listening to when he goes
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: to take a piece, right and finally, yeah, yeah, okay,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: I just want to make sure I never knew the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: title of that song. Oh it's so good, uh yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: very good Needle Drop. I actually love there. There are
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: some things in that opening scene that I like, I
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: do love the giant silhouette shadow m HM of Jason
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: right before he rips into the tent.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so scary.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I also think that.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: The not going camping anytime soon watching this.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I'm good there there's a couple. It's actually funny. I
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: was just thinking about how how Marcus the Spell does
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: kind of have some some consistence that he does. There's
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: a moment in text Chainsaw three after the hitchhiker kills
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: herself where there's a close up of her mouth and
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: the smoke from the gun is kind of like, you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: coming out of her mouth. And then there's a moment
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: when Amanda falls out of the sleeping bag where she
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: hits the ground and the camera lingers on her and
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: the smoke comes out of her mouth. The bear trapding
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: shredding his leg.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing that in theater and it just made
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: me so uncomfortable sit there my seat.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: For me, it's more so the thought of being burned alive,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: which I her upside down in a sleeping bag, just
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: being cooked is so scary. That image is so scary.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: When he comes around the corner, you just see the
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: sleeping bag hanging, and it's a good it's a good uh,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: like subversion from the traditional sleeping bag kill where Jason
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: just slams them against a tree or another person in
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: a sleeping.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And that's where I have to at least give him
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: his roses because there's certain aspects. Sure it's not it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: not a perfect film, but for Friday the thirteenth movie,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: if we're the twelfth entry in and we're and we're
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: trying to give it more of a fresh take, I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: feel like that the certain moments definitely work to its advantage.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think do you subscribe to the
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Trent theory that he is the same character from Transformers.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about Travis van Winkle here as a trend.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I know, to the audience, I was, I thought that you.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Naspell also made the comment about him that he felt
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: like he was the real villain of the movie or
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: something along those lines, and I was like, Yeah, I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: think he's just well off. He comes from a family
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: that's really wealthy. I don't know.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think he was saying I could take it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: He was saying that Jason is an anti hero. Is
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: an anti hero. So the true villains of these movies
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: are the the members of the friend group. That that
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: don't listen.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: And they don't belong thereholes.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Trent's an asshole. He's the same character
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: that he was in Transformers. Like he's a rich, cocky
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: douchebag and you know, driving in his escalade and showing
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: up to the house and I love him like kicking
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: their like their feet are on the table, to get
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: your feet off the table. And he's like constantly kind
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: of watching what they're doing so that way they don't
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: ruin anything.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: He's just in its, yeah he is, but he's just
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: in it to bring all his friends there to admire
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: everything that he has from a distance. I feel like
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: he's like very like I don't know, he just seems
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: like very uptight about everything. It's like, look, if you're
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: having a group of friends there, you know they're guests there, right,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, you should kind of know what you
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: get yourself into with that group of friends.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: But this friend group doesn't feel as believable as the
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: first friend group.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a like a weird like
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I found myself kind of being like, how are you
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: all friends?
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel believable, Yeah, because.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: You have you kind of have like you know, you
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: have you have Trent. You have Chewy who Chewy is
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: a stoner basically like he pulls out one of the
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: wildest looking bombs I've ever seen. There's there's Lawrence, who
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: is the token black guy that wants to start a
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: rap label.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: They're both really funny. I have to say, there's certain
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: moments that are even on rewatch, I still think that
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: they're they're like friendship. That dynamic they have with each
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: other really works.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, they are very funny. And then of course
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: you have Daniel Panabaker who plays Jenna that is Trent's
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I guess girlfriend in the movie. That's right, Yeah, And uh,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: you know one thing that that is terribly distracting about
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: this movie the fact that everybody is so attracted, Like
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: everybody in this movie is stupid attractive outside of Aaron Yo,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: But from Dysturbia, it definitely has that feel like you
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: just kind of we're picking and choosing out of like
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: an Abercrombie and Fitch modeling gig or something. It's like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm just saying because of the time this
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: was filmed, but.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: This is I couldn't help but notice like this is
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: that era of guys with longer hair that's like slightly teased,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and everybody was wearing like the same style clothing. Oh yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: it's interesting. It's like a time capsule of that. In
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: JA nine, I was a senior in high school, so
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't dress like this, but I knew people who did.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: But you would see it. You see it a little
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: bit with the Texas chainsaw as well. Like, there's certain
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: style choices in that that I feel like are very
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: much of the time.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Don't you dare? Well, that movie was supposed to take
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: place into seven. Don't you dare make fun of Jessica
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Biel's tight tank top.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: The tank top? Okay, so she rocked it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: She did, she did. She did kill that shit and
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: she was pregnant, not her, the character was pregnant. Oh
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: they cut that out. Uh yeah. So this this friend
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: dynamic kind of throws me off a little bit. It's
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, just not as believable. And also
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: just like Trent is such a piece of shit he said,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: you know, because Jared Pattle, Like, I think it's why
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: character Clay Clay's going around putting up missing signs for
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: his sister. Right. This is multiple times now he's started
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: coming to this town. He swears she's here. He's trying
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: to the police don't want him there. We see that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: early on in the movie. Adults are like, hey, give up,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: she's dead. You know. The only other character from the
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: town we meet is a fucking wackadoo, like living in a.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: H He's he's definitely, he's definitely went the highlights.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: He's from New Jersey. I think that that I believe
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: is from New Jersey.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Like his personality, it's fucking weirdo, just like a weird
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like like I've run into that guy at
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Walmart twenty five times in my life. That's the way
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: he does behind closed door is not my business.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Mannequin's man's manneque. He's in a mannequin.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: He has a mannequin fetish.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: He does have a mannequin fetish.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: It's a little weird.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so yeah, you know, I I love that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of little notes here talk about how
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: when when Clay goes to that house that the older
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: lady lives in that he speaks with, they didn't have
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: to do any set dressing. That's what the house looks
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: like they just shot it that way. It's just like
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: just absolute clutter fuck of a house.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: That's the one where the dog starts parking at him right,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: lunches at him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you what do you think just having fun? Now?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: What do you think of Jason finding his mask in
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: this one? Just randomly like moving over a piece of
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: cloth and the mask is there and he puts it
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: on after the pillow gets ripped off his head by
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the fucking New Jersey weirdo.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: One word convenient.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It's so dude, it's so strange. It's such a odd
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: way for him to find the man.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: It's like a mic drop moment, it is.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: And I rewounded a couple of times, like how do
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: you even see that? How do you see that?
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: In there?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: He looks down, his pillow, head is off, and then
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: he goes down and shifts some sheets and then there's
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: the mask.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: He could feel. He could feel it. He doesn't need
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: to see it, he could feel it.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: It's like Jim Carrey's the mask. It becomes like suctions
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: to the face.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like they have like a like a symbiotic relationship.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: The mask is is its own thing. Mm hmm. Jason
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: is separate from the mask but together.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Correct, That's where he gets like his hunting abilities. He's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: extra fast in this movie, really strong.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: It's like when Mario gets a mushroom exactly.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to say anything else, or you
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. Okay. What I thought was
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: interesting was Marcus in a spell. He mentions this a
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: couple of times about let's see it's Close Encounters of
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: the Third Kind and Apocalypse Now as certain references that
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: he used for this film, which I thought was like, stylistically,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it was a really interesting choice.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Do you see either of those in this movie?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: At any point, I'm going to give him the benefit
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: of the doubt. He was under a lot of stress
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: at the time.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: He was a dog with many leashes.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on. He mentions Close Encounters. There were
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: certain moments I think he had mentioned that there was
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: horizontal flares and certain lighting choices. I believe when Jason
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: is going after Clay and oh my gosh, I'm drawing
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a blank on Jenna. When he's going after the two
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: of them and he's turning all the lights on where
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I think the canoes are at right, he said, that
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: that was I think one of the moments that he
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: had used as a reference for and then Apocalypse Now
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: was when we get Lawrence. He gets hit in the
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: back with the acts and he's screaming out for help.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: He's basically like paralyzed and he's basically being used as bait.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: There's a moment in Apocalypse Now that is very similar.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I would have never picked picked up on that head.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: He not said that, but I'm just thinking to myself, like, wow,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: that's really interesting that that's what you're pulling influence from.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: It's interesting that he's pulling influence from that. But Jason
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: literally does the same thing earlier in the movie with
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Amanda in the in the mm hmm in the camp bag.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: So it's just it's typical like hunting. It's I don't
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: know what that tech little term is called, and I
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: know it's illegal to do in most of the United States,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: where you would injure like usually if you're a hunt saying,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: you know, I think like when they're hunting lions and stuff,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: they would injure other animals that they would, you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: find for food, and then when the animal comes to
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: eat that animal, they would kill them like beat them.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I thought you were about to mention something that was
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: going down in New Jersey until you mentioned the animal
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that was Uh, we been using this scenario.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: We just have bears. That's it.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: We just have Okay. I mean, I'm sure you could
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: swap it out for something else.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: The closing encounter's reference is I think I'm pretty sure
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: the only reason he brings that up is because they
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: used anamorphic lenses okay to shoot this, which he says,
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: which he claims they had. Yeah, they haven't used a
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: lot of since the seventies, he says, But JJ Abrams
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: certainly in this period of time been using anamorphic.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Lenses to the fullest.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think they were good. I don't think they
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: were at of silent at any point around two as
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: a nine, I think they were heavily being used in
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: many cases.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, there's a moment that I've seen
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: this movie countless times, and when Clay is asking the
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: store clerk about if he's happened to see his sister
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and asked about about like leaving the poster like the
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: missing posters there, it's like it just I don't know,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it's not that it takes me out of the movie.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I just I just want to get clarity on whose
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: choices was to include this in the movie.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I say this all the time. I quote this all
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: the time, and it's the one line of dialogue that
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I know from this whole movie. And it's just a
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: clerk going. You know, I would love to, but you know,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: my boss, he's a real fuh.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And it's like it just dead ass. Everyone's like, what.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: It reminds me of the is it? Uh? East Bound
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: and Down clip with the how long You've been with her?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: He does the part how long you and he can
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: do a better nightcap. Yeah, it's the one line of
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: dialogue that I do all the time from this movie.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: It's so good. Uh, it's not serious at all. But no,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be completely honest from this point forward.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't take a single note.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess, I mean we can kind of run
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: through just in general. I mean, we we've get the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: wakeboard and scene. Uh, you know, Chelsea gets killed with
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the machete through the doc.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: What do you think of that? That kill?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: You like the dunk of her head hitting the top.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say something else, but you know, Nolan
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: gets hit with the arrow. I mean, it definitely feels
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: very camp esque when this is happening.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: I don't like the arrow kill. I don't like that.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: It feels like almost two detached for Jason to take
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: somebody out that way, you know what I mean.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: It's like just too like as in that he wouldn't
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: kill anyone with an arrow.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like the best way to do it, if
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: they wanted to remain very true, would have been to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: injure him with the arrow. Ah, okay, to bait him,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: to get him back to land, and then kill him,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: not to kill him with the arrow.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It does seem like during that specific moment, it does
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: seem a little like it takes me out a little
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: bit when they happens.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know why. It's weird. It reminds
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: me of wrong Turn always when Okay, his name gets killed,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: but the arrows Yeah, and it's odd. I think her
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: kill is good, you know, under the deck the machee
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: comes through stalking her. Yeah, I think that's fine. But
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: the erow one I was never really all that enthused about.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, So we get Clay and Jenna they're searching Crystal Lake,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: like the campgrounds. Eventually they end up seeing Jason bring
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: in a body to the camp house at that point,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: and then this brings both of them running back to
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: the cabin. This is obviously been hours later, right, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: they're basically going in there frantically trying to explain to
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: everyone else that Jason's out there. And this is when
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like you start getting more of the tension, Yeah,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: because it's already really like it's already been established very
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable between Trent and Clay, and now at this point
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: they basically have to come together, like trying at one
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: point is basically trying to kick him out.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but also too, I mean, how would you feel
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: if if if you're you know, at the at your
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: apartment or your family's home with your girlfriend and then
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden she goes off with Jared Pedalak
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: that's fair, you know, I would be pretty upset too.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I mean the circumstances are a little rough. He's looking
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: for his sister, but like, fuck man, I would be
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: some type of way.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: But what does he say? You guys are gone for
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: hours fucking all over the lake or something. It's like,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: all right, take it easy, man, take it easy.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Excellent dialogue, but you also have to remember too, this
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: is like an hour and ten minutes into the movie.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: This, I feel like, is where it starts ramping up,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Like it it starts getting more like it's not just
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: the isolated scene where they're out on the boat. This
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you're I mean, they're trapped, right, so
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: until any of them start yes, yep, so until any
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: of them start venturing outside of the house. I mean
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: that's basically what should be their safe space power goes
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: out they start venturing out.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: And this bill mentions that a couple of times that
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: the real genius of these slasher films are the breakup
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: of the group. You know, what are the what are
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: the creative beats that you can come up with the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: get characters to separate and to go their own way,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: such as you know, Chewy going into the shed outside
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: of the garage, which gets him alone to kill him,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: and then Lawrence comes out to.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: You one after another.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like then he gets killed and then he set
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: up his bait essentially, like you need to think of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: the ways to get them out, and then Trent is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: inside just banging away.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: To his defense. Do you think it was because he
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: was just on edge? You know, Jason could be out there.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that naturally the first response that anybody
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: would have.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Jason is watching through the window. Yes, he's looking at her.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: At that point, I won't even give a shit. It's like,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: as long as it keeps Matt Bay, Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: He's for good. As long as we keep going, Jason
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: will stay right there. We're good. He'll wait.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: But the moment you stop, yeah he's done.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: He's coming for you. Yeah, he's coming for you. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Like yes, the trend that the tension ramps up here.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: For me, honestly, most of this kind of just becomes
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit forgettable for me.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: What did you Okay? Hold on, because there's one scene
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: where the police get called and the police officer arrives,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: he knocks on the or did that help or hurt
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the film? Because when let the police know, like by
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: this point and me, it's been years obviously, but they
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: know Jason's out there, So why are they going out there?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't really know. I mean I think this
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: is kind of meant to be like a moment of levity, like, oh,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: they might be getting help, but I don't. I don't.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: What do you think of it?
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I this is like the only kill
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: that kind of I could take it or leave it.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this really enhanced anything about the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: pacing of the the movie at all. I mean, I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: feel like you could honestly take it out and it
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: wouldn't really make a bit of difference. But I get
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: what you're saying, give some false hope it does.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but we know how it could. But like, at
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: the same time, in twenty nine, is anybody doing anything
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: differ from what Slashers that were, Like, Oh, they're about
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: this avert the genre. There's just no it's just you know,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: we knew. I knew off the Rippy's gonna die, you
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: We get him killed, and then oh, the scene where
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Jason sneaks in, Trent and Bree have just gotten done
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: hooking up, and then she thinks she sees Jason subverts
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: our expectations. He's actually I believe, behind her right, and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: then he just kind of like wraps himself around her.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's fucking creepy.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, I agree, that's I always thought that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: was cool. I think. I think the problem with all
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: of this is like there's so much silly stuff happening
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: with Trent. That's like I think, I don't.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Know, I'm trying to think of. I'm guessing you're talking
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: or you're thinking of the same moment that I'm thinking of,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: and I could be wrong. There's a certain scene that
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: kind of takes me out of it a little bit.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Is it the stupendous hits?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: No, that's memorable, man, I'm still talking about that.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: The scene where he's in the car and I think
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Brie just gets launched on the vehicle and he lets
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: out this high pitched scream, and I'm like, I don't
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: know if this helps or hurts like him, I guess
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: at this point doesn't fucking matter.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: But I forgot about that because I had watched it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: with the commentary, so like, I didn't hear the scream,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: and I forgot that he lets out that that crazy
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: high pitched.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: You just high pitch. My guy has no business scream
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: that high. I mean, it's but again, it kind of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: harkens back to what you're talking about. There there are
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: moments or funny moments, but I think that there's quite
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: a bit of it sprinkled in that I feel like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: it kind of breaks up the tension almost a little
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: bit too much with stakes that are at hand here.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this isn't a long movie. You're talking
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: about ninety seven minutes for the theatrical cut, so it's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: not like this movie. It is brisk, but it doesn't
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: feel brisk because you have like these ups and downs,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: these moments where it's like it's really tense, it's really scary,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: and then it's kind of silly and goofy, and it's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: really tense, it's really scary, and then it kind of
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: like silly and goofy. Then you kind of have that
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: whole like, like I said, when you have that opening
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: scene where you have this very tense like five teenagers
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: being killed off or four of them being killed off
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: in like rapid succession, it's really intense. And then you
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: cut back down to you know, Clay looking for his
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: sister and kind of meandering around and establishing another group
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: of people. It does almost feel like too much. It's like,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: all right, now I got to forget about that last
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: group of people, and now I got to think about
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: this new group of people. Which the new group people
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: is not as interesting as the first group of people.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: It's almost like you could kind of switch them around.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Probably, yeah, honestly, probably, And then he would have had
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: her looking for Jared pedal Uchi and he would have
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: kept Jason, would have kept Jared pedal Leckey because he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: looks like his mom.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Oh totally.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Well. He this spell talks about the tunnel. So he
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: mentions how and I don't this feels a little tell
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: me how you feel about this. He talks about how
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: they they thought like maybe this was an old mining town,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: so there was under what there was underground tunnels already,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: and that's how utilized. And he talks about like disney World,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: how he direct comparisons disney World, and how he's like, well,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Disney World, you know, Walt Disney built all these tunnels
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: so that way Mickey Mouse could pop up on two
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: different sides of the park only minutes after disappearing from
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: another side of the park. And I think that's just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: a crappy excuse for like we need to have Jason
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: beyonderground and be able to reach places quicker.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't mind the concept, but if it's
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: being pitchedes it's an old mining town. I'm like, less
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: is more. I don't really know if I need. I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: don't need the backstory of how these tunnels came about.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: It works for what it is. It's where he gets
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: around and he holds Clay's sister hostage down there basically
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: is now. Let me ask you, though, is this aspect
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: about this film? Does that work for you? That he's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: essentially holding Clay's sister.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: It's different And I mean it's not like he talks
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: about some of the criticism that people have had where
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, he doesn't do that, and he and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Marcus spell mentions how like at this point, like we
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: thought we could do something new, Like we thought we
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: could add a character trait to him, you know after
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: all this time that would kind of mix things up.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: And him hearing me hearing him say that, I think, like, yeah,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: you're right, like at this point we can try something
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: new with Jason. It still just doesn't add anything to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: the movie except for the fact that the sister is
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: still alive.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: I don't mind it, like.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: That's I guess it's kind of where I'm at it
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't impact it either way. For me, it
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: just sort of is what it is.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I think I think it kind of allows there to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: be like some sort of glue between the intro scene
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: that we get with the other group of teens, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: it definitely he leads us to believe that his sister
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: died and then you get this reveal at least on
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: first watch, to find out that she's still alive. I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: thought was definitely an important moment.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about the end the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: dispatch of Jason? Hmm?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I mean it falls pretty in line I think with
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: any of the other Friday the Thirteenth films, right, I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: mean it's it's not like it's you know, you had
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: the one scene in part three where he's basically hung,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: you know, at the barn, trying to think Part two.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: I know that Amy Steele Jinny, she dresses up as Pamela.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of how they kill them.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: She she hits him with the the machete member in
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: like like this area.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: pretty on brand for Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, it's I
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: mean that that culmination of of where they're at. I mean,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: obviously this was introduced much earlier in the film. You know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: it was basically setting us up for this. But once
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: they get inside the barn, you know, they they're basically
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: hooking them up, you know, trying to wrap them up
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: with the chain. It's like dragging him in. I think
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: it is. I mean, that whole the whole barn is
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: full of tools. I mean they you know, Nispell even
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: points it out just I mean, this is kind of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: like in his element, and Clay is able to essentially
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: overpower him, and then h Whitney is able to event
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: then at that point, you know, deliver the you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Mommy's waiting for you in hell or you know, It's like, okay,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: it's not really that far off from anything else that
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: we've gotten before. I don't think we can overlook the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: fact that, you know, Trent definitely leading up to this.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's a terrible way to go out.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the worst kill, but it's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: it's something.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I would you have been shocked? Here you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: go quick question. Would you have been shocked if at
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: the end of the movie, Jason's mask come off and
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: Roy is under there from a new beginning. The paramedic.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: You're asking if I if that's what I would want,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: would you.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: Would you have been shocked? Would you have been like oh?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Or would you have been like wow?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: How?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: What an honorable move for them to bring back Roy
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: from frid thirteenth Part I.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Listen, you know what, if they had the balls to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: do it, I would have to commend them. But they didn't.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: What if it was what's his name? Who's the Who's
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: the that goes crazy and kills uh Roy's son?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: He's also the same guy in Return of the Living Dead?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Isn't he?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Is that him?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: I think? So?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: What's he plays? Is he suicide or no?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I swear, double check,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: fact check.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm got a fact check right now. Talk
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: about talk about talk about death means.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's so strange how it's set up, because
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: he's he's out there right, and the truck stops. It's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: like a basically like a tow truck, truck stops. This
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: ominous guy is just sitting in there. I'm like, okay,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: so what is this leading us to believe? I didn't
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel anything with this guy, and then Jason
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: runs up on him impales him, and that's that's how
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: that's how he goes.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Out, by the way, You're right, uh, Mark, Mark Venturini.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: Did he Victor? Yeah, nineteen eighty sixty passed away?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Terrible?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: He is Victor in five and suicide in the Return
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: of Living Dead. Very nice. Why Dan O'Bannon.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, So Jason obviously, well allegedly at the time dies
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: gets dragged into the machine? Yeah, what what is that?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: What is that machine technically considered? I was a little
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: confused on that.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Is it like a tree? Is it something with tree?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a wood chip? Or was it.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Let's see what let's let's see, let's consult the old. Uh.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I just know that the way that those chains were
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: just wrapped up around him, I'm like, this guy's fucked, Like, yeah,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Jason or no Jason?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: So he Uh, let's see what is that thing I'm
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: trying to metal chain? I know that she stabs them
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: in the chest with a machete, but what is the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: machine that starts pulling them in?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Would you have preferred if his mask came off though,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: because I know he had mentioned that that was something
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: that they had toyed around with, and I don't know
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: if that really would have added a whole lot. I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: almost feel like, you don't need to No, I don't
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: need it. And then this takes us to where they're
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: dumping his body into the lake as this tradition, right,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and you got Whitney, you got Clay. We think everything's good,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: and this hearkens back. Is it to part two where
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Jason he jumps through the window? Right? Is it part two?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: The end of part two?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's just a different right, yeah, yeah, So obviously
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: you know Jason's not dead. But what I thought was
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: interesting this actually was asked about recently, it looks like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: in February of this year, and about the canceled sequel
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: that never happened. But they confirmed that Whitney was killed
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: by Jason, and that if there was a sequel that
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: had been done after this one, her body would have
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: been frozen in Crystal Lake during the opening sequence, which
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I thought was like, so interesting, this.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: Is give me like Freddy versus Jason vibes. I think
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: it would have been great if the sequel started with
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Jason coming out of the water on a very foggy morning,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: carrying her head and then she winked at the camera.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it would have had the same impact.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: At that point in the night man, It's okay.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you, if you had gotten the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: same creative team back at it again, would you have
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: wanted to see a sequel to this one? Because I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: feel like this was a missed opportunity. I kind of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: wish we would have gotten a thirteenth film. Sure, yeah,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: from the same team.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have been I would have been fine
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: for that, I think. I mean, I think Friday thirteenth
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: is pretty much an open like. It stuns me that
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: we still haven't had a movie since then. Obviously, now
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: we have came for so late coming out, which I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: think is a little bit of like not I'm not
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: excited about because I don't really need to know backstory
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: on Missus Warre he I don't really find myself that interesting.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I just feel like Jason X is a perfect example
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: of the levels that you can go to with Jason
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: that still make it enjoyable. It doesn't mean it's a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: great movie, but it's still very enjoyable where you could
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: just take, and they even did this with There were
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: numerous novels, like original novels written by Friday thirteenth. One
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: of my favorites was Church of the Divine Psychopath, which
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: was a novel written where a church group goes to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: Camp Crystal Lake on an excursion and Michael, through prayer,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: is raised from the dead, and I believe it's like
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: they're praying and then the cross gets struck by lightning,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: which then hits Jason and he begins killing off the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: church goers. But then at the same time they introduced
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: that the church goers they called the police and a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: swat team has arrived, and now the swat team is
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: like up for grabs by Jason, and it's like you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: could take any template and put it on and make
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Jason fit. As long as you're killing people and you're
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: having fun, you know what I mean. I would have
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: been down for another movie.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this was back earlier. I know I mentioned
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: this earlier. So this is back earlier this year in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: February that there was an interview with the writers that
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: had they were Someone was asking about had they penned
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: a sequel a script for a sequel.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: So this was obviously amidst all the rights issues, so
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: there would have been an extended opening sequence in the
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: winter with a frozen crystal lake that I mentioned, And
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: they were the writers were very happy with the sequel.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: They were bigger kills, they were crazier. Everyone loved it,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: but it never got made. And they had said that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: they had called it the Death of Jason Arhees or
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Camp Blood the Death of Jason Vorhees. They allude to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: a really awesome zipline kill and the camp becomes reopened,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: and there was a couple returning characters brought back that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: they were excited about. When asked about if Clay and Whitney,
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  Speaker 2: if it would have picked up with them returning, the
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  Speaker 2: writer says, you find out what happens to them at
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: the beginning. I gotta tell you, if you wanted to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: see them alive, you might be disappointed. And when asked
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: about why winter made the perfect season for a Friday
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: the Thirteenth sequel, in what ways would the snowy setting
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: have basically enhance the kills, they alluded to that the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: winter season has never been done before in the Friday
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: the Thirteenth franchise was just right. They wanted to see,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: you know, visible breath coming through the holes in Jason's
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: hockey mask, the red blood drips, and the pristine white snow.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: They alluded to wanting Jason to JABBI long sharp icicle
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  Speaker 2: through a camp counsel's eye. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so this that there's a little bit more clarity
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: on what would have happened with Whitney. So the opening,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: seeing Crystal Lake is frozen salad. Two teens go out
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: and the frozen ice to play hockey. The puck slides
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: and stops right on top of what appears to be
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: a dead girl in the ice. It's Whitney from this
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: one and then the short line they see an imposing
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  Speaker 2: figure who looks like he wants to join them, Only
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: he isn't holding a hockey stick. It's a machete. I
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  Speaker 2: don't Okay, likes as cool as it sounds, right, I mean,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: you know, we never actually got the film. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: always interesting to think of the what ifs, what could
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  Speaker 2: have came out of this, you know?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I actually think I think I'm happy
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: with you know, have you ever watched Never Hiking the Snow?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: I haven't.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, never hiking the snow and never to hike alone,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: which is Vincent de Santi's Friday Thirteenth. Kind of like
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: fan films that have kind of fixed like almost feel
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: as well known as the main cannon films. Though, did
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun with the snow stuff. So that's cool.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: I think snow. That's what I'm excited about Kreeger's Resident Evil,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: that it's set in the snow. I always love the
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: snow in horror. I think that's why like Thirty Days
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: of Night is so effective, you know, so I like this.
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  Speaker 3: I would have been down for a sequel.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: This was from writers Mark Swift and Damian Shannon Ye
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Jason correct, so Friday the thirteen or Friday the thirteenth
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: reboot Fray versus Jason. They actually also collaborated again for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: some Help. That was directed by Sam Ray Me.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I did see that. Yeah, I do remember
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: their name on Sendhill interesting hu, Yeah, it's yeah. I
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: would have been fine with a sequel. Man, it sucks
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: it didn't happen. I would love to see a zip
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: line kill.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I just feel like the the opportunity is just it's waiting, right,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: and I My closing thoughts are that I worry that
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: whatever next entry we get, I'm cautious, very cautious. I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: almost wish we would have gotten the thirteenth film a
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: long time ago. Fortunately we didn't get that. But on
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: that note, Aero did a phenomenal job with this. Four
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: K gave this movie a lot of love. As with
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: the other two films Jason X and Jason Goes to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Hell Fingers crossed. Maybe we'll got Frey versus Jason in
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: your future.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think if you're a fan of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: this movie, I think all of the commentary tracks on
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: this release are worth getting into. It's very much like
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: the Marcus and Spelled one. Doesn't feel it feels very
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: surface level. It's very like, oh, we did this because
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: it raises tension. He says that nineteen times, I think,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: or something like twenty times throughout the whole thing. It's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: still like an interesting track to just hear some fun
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: production nuggets and then the Alexander Hella Nicholas Josh Nelson one.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's like the real film gold here, Like
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: that's like the nerd gold. If you have the patience
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: to put this movie on and listen to that track,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are going to learn
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: a lot from that. I'm just happy to have this
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: movie in a in an updated fashion with new bonus features,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: you know, just very stoked. I think Arrow always crushes it,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: and I think this was one that, like does didn't
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: feel as talked about as Jason X or Jason gives
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: a hell it was.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's because it's more of a recent entry,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: more modern? Yeah?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, more modern and it's like two thousand and nine.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: How Like, I don't know how much I have to
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: do a side Bysch comparison, like how much the four
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: K really helps it?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I just enjoy watching this movie. I'll leave
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: it at that. And it was it coolish Gary. Didn't
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: he do the art for all these.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to do the artwork, it's all very good.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Props to him. We need that for Free Versus.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: Jason, Oh my god, please bring us Ready Versus please.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: You know. The one thing I have to give credit
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: to Arrow is that we got these in a very
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: short amount of time. I mean, they basically cranked out
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of the Friday the Thirteenth ones that we got,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: and then Texas Chainsaw we got the three remake and
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: the prequel. We're so close.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: I know it feels right there. And if I remember correctly,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: I think it was something about new like somebody saying
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: just no if I moved. I think it was Cliff
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Martinez was talking about how they they wanted it, and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: it was like someone at Newline just said.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: No name names.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know, some piece of shit.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Well, on that note, I think we can both agree
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: that true evil never dies.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: It does not. It will come back, just with.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: A different mask.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we gotta get Hobdon. If Jason could wear
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: any other mask, what would you want them to wear?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Not the one for the Jason universe, that's for sure.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: I wanted to wear that big baby mask, you know,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: the big baby crying the crying baby mask.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it works like just in this current iteration. Yeah, speech,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: If it's not broken, there's no need to fix it, right,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: That's how I see it.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: That is true. I completely agree. So yeah, as always,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: like when we say please don't use this in place
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: of listening to the audio commentary track, take the time
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: to give them a listen. They're phenomenal. They're produced very well.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: The audio quality is very good on them all the tracks,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: you're at least worth a listen. If maybe you're not
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: getting the most out of it, it's still worth just
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: kind of throwing on. If you're a huge, huge fan
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: of this movie, and make sure you go support Ero Video,
• 1:27:39
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• 1:27:41
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• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: we close out, make sure you check out a bunch
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: of our partner shows on Someone's Fair of Productions. A
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: ton of amazing work coming out of this cast of podcasts.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: Very honored to be a part of that. And as
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: of recording Steve, I must say last night, I was
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: super excited to see you do a video on Night Breed.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I had a good time with that one.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I was just happy to see you back. You know.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: You popped up in the feed and I was like,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: he's fucking.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Back, Mike Jason, you can't kill me.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, can't get a dog down?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Well, Steve, let people know where they can find you
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: outside of here.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: You guys can find me after ours video. I am
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: all over social media and yeah, keep up with me
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: as I'm checking out all my favorite movies.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: What about you, Chris, I'm always on Instagram at bearded
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: film guy. You always find me on their talking crap
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: on letterbox.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: And I will never ever rate another movie again.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Just joking. Yeah, there you go. At least somebody learned
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: a lesson. All right, guys, Well that's been our coverage
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: on Friday thirteen, twenty nine. It's time for bed, all right.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Your cabins are warm and toasty. You know, breakfast will
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: be ready in the morning. And I don't think you
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: have anything to worry about. I don't know, if I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: don't know if Jason's in these woods are not here
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: in New Jersey.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: But let's keep the campfire whip.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, keep it lit. Make sure to make sure to
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: keep an eye on the person bumping next to you,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: and whatever you do. If you see a snake, yell
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: for help. Reference to the first Friday thirteen, We'll cut
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: its head off when it was shedding. We'll see you
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: guys on the next one.
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