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Can You Get Your Money Back? · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: This week on Yo Gavel Gavel. If you sue your
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  Speaker 2: brother for two hundred and seventy dollars and he says
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  Speaker 2: you're a drunk dude, you're gonna get your money.
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  Speaker 3: Judge maths this is here to break up a sibling rivalry.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't like the shirts that you ordered
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  Speaker 1: but you wear them anyway, can you get your money back?
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  Speaker 1: Judge Faith tells us real feotbroa cases justice.
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  Speaker 2: This is Joe Battle.
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  Speaker 1: All rise, mofos, Sit down, sit down, get out of here,
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  Speaker 1: Get out of here. I keep doing it old all right, Bud,
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  Speaker 1: you're your kids ever get in the copying situation?
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  Speaker 3: Do they do that yet? Rarely?
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  Speaker 1: But okay, oh man, the kids are really in the
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  Speaker 1: Jinks right now. But they say Jinks blackout, juice black out.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know about black I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know about My kids went through the Jinks phase
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and drinks blackout has been
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  Speaker 2: in the game for a little bit, a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't I'm fuzzy on the blackout rules.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's similar to the drinks. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's very it's just a.
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  Speaker 3: You add it to make it blacks.
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  Speaker 2: If you drinks me and I drink blackout you you
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  Speaker 2: were Yes, that's right, that's right, double triple jinks.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly. It's good to be back to the coffee.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna love that. Hopefully, hopefully you're doing well. I
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  Speaker 1: know who I am. Drinks. I got a couple of cases.
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  Speaker 1: Uh figure new to us. Hi, Hi, thanks for coming.
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  Speaker 1: And Darren, Uh, we're gonna bring you some cases. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell Dan about a case that I watched, and
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  Speaker 1: he's got to guess the verdict, and then Dan's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the exact same thing, and you can play
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  Speaker 1: along at home, Uh, trying to figure out what the
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  Speaker 1: verdict is going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon, mine's a short boy. I could go.
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  Speaker 2: I can little appetizer knock it out. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: Judge Mathis because I love my boy, Judge matthis. Do
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  Speaker 2: we agree on everything?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, some of the things he says do I stand by?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not? But as a TV court case time, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: good stuff. Tara Moore And some of these are from
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  Speaker 2: like twenty twenty four, so I don't know how the
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  Speaker 2: time it was Tara Moore suing her brother for two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty nine dollars. His name is Christopher Moore.
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  Speaker 2: He's countersuing his sister for five hundred dollars. Both of
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  Speaker 2: these are loans. Tara starts off, that's my brother, Thank you, Tara,
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  Speaker 2: And we love him and I love him dearly, but
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  Speaker 2: it's time for him to grow up. Since he's been
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  Speaker 2: released from the army, it's been a downhill spiral of
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  Speaker 2: drinking and partying. Christopher's like, listen, you're on and that's
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  Speaker 2: not true. Uh yeah, I drink, but it's under control.
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  Speaker 2: Once a week. Maybe that's how you know. At the
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  Speaker 2: very least, though he did.
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  Speaker 1: He fought for these right when the doctor asked you,
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  Speaker 1: he literally for his that's right, and you can't get
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  Speaker 1: upset at that.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get once a week. When the doctor asks you,
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  Speaker 2: how many drinks do you have a week? What do
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  Speaker 2: you say?
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  Speaker 1: I say, I typically don't, yeah, but if I do,
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  Speaker 1: it's once.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But how many drinks do you say a week? Don't
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  Speaker 2: they ask you the number of drinks?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I typically say I don't drink, but if I do,
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  Speaker 1: it's never more than like one just one? Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: got you? Really, that's just me.
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  Speaker 3: That's just you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have more than one drink. There is the occasion,
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  Speaker 1: like I would say, on less than less than one
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  Speaker 1: hand amount of times a year, that I have more
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  Speaker 1: than one drink.
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  Speaker 2: Amount of times a year. Interesting, Uh, I I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I usually just go. I drink on Saturdays.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Drink a lot on Saturdays. I drink on Saturdays. That
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  Speaker 1: is the day of the week.
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  Speaker 3: Up.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll change it to Friday occasionally, but it's typically Saturdays.
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  Speaker 2: And you make a day of it. I make it.
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  Speaker 2: Never impairs you. No, I throw I throw a pork
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  Speaker 2: on the grill at nine am.
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  Speaker 3: It's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't start drinking until afternoon, though. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: mean some things are sacred. Some things are sacred. It's noon,
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  Speaker 2: so that's.
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  Speaker 1: When I would start calling you out. Hey, Bud, you
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  Speaker 1: did that's right?
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  Speaker 2: I heard that can crack from over here. Something's hanging
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  Speaker 2: from your beard. No, you missed it by a mile.
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  Speaker 3: I got you. It's it's way under here. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: What is that? It was? Red?
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  Speaker 1: Little red?
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  Speaker 3: All right? Anyway?
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  Speaker 2: So Christopher drinks one day a week a lot like me,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, I got under control.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I got out of.
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  Speaker 2: The army when I was twenty two years old, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: at twenty two I was maybe drinking a little more
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  Speaker 2: than I am right now.
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  Speaker 1: When they say how many drinks you have a week?
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  Speaker 1: You say Saturday. What I say, never push back, No,
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  Speaker 1: what I say is I usually just say three drinks,
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  Speaker 1: is what I say.
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  Speaker 3: It's how many drinks in a week?
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  Speaker 2: I put three down, and then the doctor always goes
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  Speaker 2: they always check with you because they always assume you're
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  Speaker 2: lying a lot of people that drink daily lie on
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  Speaker 2: that survey. They don't say ten drinks a week. They
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  Speaker 2: say four drinks a week, and so whenever you say three,
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  Speaker 2: the doctor, I think, assumes it's like six or eight.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, they're like three drinks a week, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I really don't drink except on Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll usually have three or four beers by the pool.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I say, Yeah, and that's accurate. That's what
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  Speaker 3: I'm not lying to you.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like you could also do your diet coke
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  Speaker 1: like sitting rule like in one Ha, I do one sitting.
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  Speaker 2: If they offered free refills for beer, I think we
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  Speaker 2: would have a pro. It's one beer. If they offered
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  Speaker 2: free refills for beer, it is one beer. They died
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  Speaker 2: that place from that place, the free refilled beer place,
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  Speaker 2: which is out of business called it's called one sitting
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  Speaker 2: and one one day you're open and then you're you're dead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so he's like, when out, Yeah, when I got
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  Speaker 2: out of the army, of course, twenty two, I had
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  Speaker 2: some fun.
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  Speaker 1: And he's like, he got out of the of the
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  Speaker 1: army at twenty two. I probably a discharge twenty two stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's hard sign up at seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: You got your parents emancipated you, and maybe you did
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  Speaker 2: your five years. Maybe maybe I'm doing the best. That's
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  Speaker 2: like best case. I think there was a discharge situation.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, like, what do you do now? He's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm an insurance agent during the day, full time college
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  Speaker 2: student at night. Mathis Goes doesn't sound like a downward
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  Speaker 2: spral to me, Sister Tara says, ro Honor, that's just
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  Speaker 2: not true. And Mathis Goes isy in college, and Tara says, yes,
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  Speaker 2: he is. And Mathis Goes doesn't sound like a downward
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  Speaker 2: spiral to me. I don't get where you're coming from there.
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  Speaker 2: Christopher says, my sister, she's one of these people that
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  Speaker 2: just looks down on everybody. She'll help you out and
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  Speaker 2: then talk about you later. She spends so much money
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  Speaker 2: and then ask someone else for their money to help
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  Speaker 2: her with her money. Matthis says, how does she look
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  Speaker 2: down on people? She goes like me with the downward spiral.
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  Speaker 2: I had one incident with an ov They keep saying
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  Speaker 2: ov I, which I found out is a drunk driving
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  Speaker 2: arrest and booking. I've never heard ov I being the
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  Speaker 2: thing that was said but stands for I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: I just know it is drunk driving, booked, convicted drunk driving.
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  Speaker 2: And he said I had one one of those and
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  Speaker 2: it'll never happen again. He's like, all right, Tarah, what
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  Speaker 2: do you do? And she's like, I work at a
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  Speaker 2: nursing home. I take care of the elderly. I don't
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  Speaker 2: look down on anyone. This is about tough love. I
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  Speaker 2: want my brother to grow up. He called me in
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  Speaker 2: August of last year. His car got impounded because of
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  Speaker 2: this drunk driving thing. I loaned him one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: nine dollars. Then he asked for gas money I gave
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  Speaker 2: him another twenty. Then he called me in November and
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  Speaker 2: asked for sixty more for steel toed boots. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get any more information on that, and then another eighty
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  Speaker 2: for gas, all adding up to two UNRD sixty nine dollars. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Mathis says, Chris, did you ask for that money? He said, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she loaned me money for all that stuff. But she
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  Speaker 2: owed me five hundred.
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  Speaker 1: Dollars and I met her.
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  Speaker 2: I met her before all of this. She was working,
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  Speaker 2: she wasn't working at all, and asked for fi dollars
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  Speaker 2: to pay some legal expenses. And Mathis goes legal expenses
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  Speaker 2: and Tarror goes, yes, for an attorney. He goes what
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  Speaker 2: the worthy illegal expenses for? And she goes for an
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  Speaker 2: attorney and Mathis goes, I know it was for an attorney.
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  Speaker 3: What was it?
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  Speaker 1: Four?
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  Speaker 2: Like, why did you need the attorney? Like, he's very
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  Speaker 2: indignant that she She's like, yeah, it's for a lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I know that, and she's like, well, I
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  Speaker 2: have my second O v I And he goes, second, ma'am,
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  Speaker 2: two drunk driving arrests and you're mad and convicted of both,
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  Speaker 2: and you're mad at this guy. Your brother for one,
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  Speaker 2: and you asked for legal help for two. She goes
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  Speaker 2: yep and yeah. And Chris is like, so, I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to help my sister out. I gave her five hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars for this legal expenses. She said she would repay it.
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  Speaker 2: She never paid it back. He goes, well, did you
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  Speaker 2: ask her? Tara is suing Christ but Chris is counter
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  Speaker 2: swing for five hundreds okay, So he says, all right,
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  Speaker 2: well what did you do, Like, did you did you
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  Speaker 2: try to collect the money? And he goes not, she's
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  Speaker 2: my sister. I'm not gonna bother her. He goes, did
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  Speaker 2: you ask her it all for this five hundred dollars?
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  Speaker 2: He said no, I never asked her for the five
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars. And Tara says that's because it was a gift.
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  Speaker 2: It was a gift. He didn't ask me for it
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  Speaker 2: because he didn't say I'm lending you this. I lent
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  Speaker 2: him this money. He said he would pay me back.
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  Speaker 2: I have record of that. He just gave me the
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  Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. Math is ready to rule. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: I know out of nowhere. I thought we were halfway
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  Speaker 2: through the case. And Maths had heard of it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't feel like I have nearly enough.
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  Speaker 3: No, and I'm shocked by his ruling. I'm just goldn't
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  Speaker 3: say that right now. I'm shocked by his ruling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, no, one gets money. They both got
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  Speaker 1: to clean up their ass. They're both out there getting drunk,
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  Speaker 1: getting some ov i's whatever it's called. Is that it
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  Speaker 1: ov i's. They both have ov ivy, they both have
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  Speaker 1: some av's out there, and I think it's auvy that
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  Speaker 1: they both need to get a little help with their drinking.
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  Speaker 1: And so instead of the money, they're gonna put that
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  Speaker 1: money towards some rehab or some This isn't Steve.
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  Speaker 2: Harvey, but trying to make me go no, that's that
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  Speaker 2: isn't I'm gonna say no money for anybody. He as
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  Speaker 2: soon as she says it was a gift. The second
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  Speaker 2: time he goes it sounds like it was a gift
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  Speaker 2: to me. You didn't bother your sister for a year
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  Speaker 2: for this money. You admit that you did borrow the money.
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  Speaker 2: Judgment in favor of the planet.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: He gives all the money to Tara, the two time
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  Speaker 2: drunk driver offender. No money to the brother the one time,
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  Speaker 2: five years, thank you for your service, army. Crazy crazy ruling.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I don't think either of them had much
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  Speaker 2: of a case, but I was very shocked that he
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  Speaker 2: was like, judgment, for you, you didn't really do any
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  Speaker 2: work to get your money back. It was a gift.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a gift, and I think you're lying. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: he just decided he was that Chris was lying, all right?
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  Speaker 2: Shout out mathis, shout out out, shout.
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  Speaker 3: Out, shout out.
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  Speaker 1: Shall we head over to Judge Faith? I would love
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  Speaker 1: that always, parajudge always. I want to introduce you to
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  Speaker 1: John mac not John McAfee, John mcnami. Very different. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he's doing James Payne for seven for seventeen one hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars for services that he did not get money for
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  Speaker 1: that were rendered unrendered if you will, yes, and not
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  Speaker 1: rent They didn't. You said services he didn't get money for.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, you mean services he didn't get in service
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  Speaker 1: for his money. John did a service he didn't get paid. Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it is services he didn't get paid for. God
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  Speaker 1: it services rendered but not paid. And a private investigator
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  Speaker 1: James pain Is countersewing for twenty five hundred for defamation
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  Speaker 1: of characters? Shall we dive in? I would love to
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  Speaker 1: dive in. John has been designing shirts. He's been in
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  Speaker 1: the shirt business. Oh listen, as I'm talking about John,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think about our boy and just
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  Speaker 1: keep that in mind, Like, how would he handle.
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  Speaker 3: Our shirt boy? Our shirt boy?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So John has been designing shirts for thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: You've been in the game for thirty years now, and
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  Speaker 1: this isn't This is only the second time Dan in
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  Speaker 1: thirty years that he has had to go to court
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  Speaker 1: to collect payments. So first typically things go pretty well
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  Speaker 1: for him. On the second time, he actually, well, they're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be here for that. He's actually worked with
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  Speaker 1: James Payne once before and it was fine, no problems
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  Speaker 1: with James. James works with high school students who are
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  Speaker 1: getting athletic scholarships to help prepare them for college. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know exactly what they do, but it's
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  Speaker 1: some sort of scholarships help them. It almost seemed like
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  Speaker 1: it was a it's like a it's a league. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like an aau thing kind of, but it's like
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  Speaker 1: once the once your season is over and you have
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  Speaker 1: a scholarship. You can keep playing in a league other
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  Speaker 1: kids that also have scholarships to help get you. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And so James sends John an email with the design
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  Speaker 1: that he's looking for in these shirts, in these jerseys,
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  Speaker 1: and John is like, we can do this. They got
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  Speaker 1: it ready to go. Uh, they sent it over for
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  Speaker 1: approval to James. James, he says, James approved it. They
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  Speaker 1: put it one hundred and twenty shirts, which costs just
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  Speaker 1: shy of sixteen hundred dollars. One hundred and twenty shirts,
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  Speaker 1: sixteen hundred dollars. Okay, there's different colors front and back. Yeah, design,
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  Speaker 1: got it. So we see the mock up, which he
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  Speaker 1: says James approved. James says that he never got that
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  Speaker 1: email approving the order. He never saw the mock up.
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  Speaker 1: John says, I have the email right here, and every
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  Speaker 1: time we get shirts here, yes, ramble Jim, I have
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  Speaker 1: to approve the artwork and I get the mock up
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  Speaker 1: and they say this. This is one thing though, we
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  Speaker 1: he says, we never do anything without confirmation. Judge Faith
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  Speaker 1: asked if he has the email saying confirmed confirmed, and
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  Speaker 1: he says, I don't have that email. My designer would
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  Speaker 1: have that email. She says, could you get it? And
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  Speaker 1: he says, I could probably get that, probably get it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. So James brings the shirt that
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  Speaker 1: John printed, and then the correct shirt that he got
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  Speaker 1: printed elsewhere, showing that the shirts that John printed had
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  Speaker 1: the wrong logo for the sponsor on it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He also says, I didn't ask for Maroon. I asked
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  Speaker 1: for Cardinal, but that's neither here nor there. Heproved the
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  Speaker 1: mock ups. All of this is about approving the Maska.
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  Speaker 1: So if we don't have that document, this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a problem. Faith says, okay, if the logo
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  Speaker 1: is wrong and the color is wrong, why did you
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  Speaker 1: go and pick them up, pay for them and leave?
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  Speaker 1: He says it was my mistake not checking the shirts
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  Speaker 1: before I left. When I go home and I see them,
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  Speaker 1: I try to return the shirts to John. John wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go for it. He says all sales are final. So
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  Speaker 1: he puts a stop payment on the check that he
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  Speaker 1: paid with. So he goes. He says, I want to
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  Speaker 1: return these shirts. Yes, he goes. He picks up the shirts,
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  Speaker 1: he pays with a check. Yeah, gets home, looks at
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  Speaker 1: the shirt, sees the logo. You didn't look at the store.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't look at the store. He goes home, sees it,
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  Speaker 1: tries to return it. John says all sales final, So
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  Speaker 1: he puts a stop payment on the check. Faith asks
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  Speaker 1: where the shirts are? Now, what do you do with shirts?
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  Speaker 3: Wear our shirts?
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  Speaker 1: Wear our shirts? I want to know what would you
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  Speaker 1: What would you do in this situation? You were an
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  Speaker 1: athletic coach. So let's say hypothetically you get a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of shirts for your team and they're wrong, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't get them back.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard because I've dealt with shirt people for
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  Speaker 2: a long time and they've made mistakes. But when they
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  Speaker 2: make mistakes, they always fix mistakes. Like our shirt guy
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  Speaker 2: printed jerseys one hundred dollars a jersey with the shorts
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  Speaker 2: in the jersey and it had two hours in forest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but he took them all back on the design.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing it didn't have two rs.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: No, the design had it correctly. And so the problem
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: here is confirmation.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the reason I have a hard time I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: asked telling you what I would do is all of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: this is when you do artwork on shirts and that's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: your business. You get confirmation before you run that screen printer,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: because it's your livelihood. Yes, and so if Payne confirmed
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: this and then goes it's cardinal, it's not whatever. It's
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, theah logo's wrong on the he approved
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it or he didn't approve it. If I don't know
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: that information, I have to side with the person that
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: didn't approve it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Well, let's keep going here, all right. Judge Faith asked
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: where the shirts are now. He says he gave him away.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: She says to whom. He says, to the players, And
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: she said, well, wasn't that the purpose of the shirts
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: to begin with? If you gave them to the players.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: If you gave them to the players, it's a tough one. Uh.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: He says, yes, But they aren't. You know, they weren't
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: meant for game days.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: They were just like, if you want to wear the shirt,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you can wear.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: The order more shirt.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: He did. He did order more shirts somewhere else he
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: has as far as I know, he has at least
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: one shirt in the in the courtroom. Uh, that is
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the correct logo on the back of it. Once John
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: said he didn't want them back, and he was going
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to sue me. I gave them to my players to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: wear them if they want to. He was like, he's
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: gonna assume me. I'm gonna give him out. I don't care.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: She asks John about the conversation and he says, two
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: weeks go by after he picked up the shirts, and
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I noticed that the payment the check. That's when I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: noticed that the check wasn't wasn't happening. And so I
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: try to contact him and he's being he's he's not
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: telling me what's going on. He's saying things like there
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: must be a problem at the bank. Oh have we
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: see text messages? And he doesn't exactly say there's problems
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: at the bank. But when John is pressing him to
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: make good on the payment, James says, I don't write
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: bad checks. My checks don't bounce. So Faith is like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: this is why we do this show. This is a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: fascinating case. It's a good case, whod case, good curse.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: So Faith is like, so you never told him what
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: you did.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: With the check. There's so much shady about what bring the.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Pain and James, And James says, I just wanted to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: get him off my back.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: He was texting me nonsense us, that's just not the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: actions of a person who's right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: So John claims that there is evidence on James's Instagram
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: that he wore the shirt to games. Sure enough, there
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is a video with him rocking the shirt. James says,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it's not the shirt. Faith says, what do you think,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I'm blind? Multiple photos and videos show you wearing the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: shirt at the games, and he says, no, they're the
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: new shirts. The picture that they have on the screen
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: shows him watching a game. So you know what, you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: can see the back, you know what's on the back,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the logo. What's the shirts? He's wearing the wrong the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: wrong logo. So that's tough. That's tough, he says. He
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: keeps saying they're not it's not the same shirts, but
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it's clear. It's clear that the sponsor logo. And like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: she asks it, Hey, John, you go over there, show
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: us what you want to see on this picture and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he's like, look at the logo.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Uh. Faith says, how do you explain people in your league,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: including yourself, wearing them if they're wrong? And he didn't
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: pay for it, yeah, and he says the front was correct.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So some folks still wore them.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, this guy, this guy I was on when my
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: boy John, who's been in the business thirty years and
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: only been to court one other time, by the way,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: which we don't get anymore on, when my boy John
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: didn't have a confirmation email on the mock up, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was like, you're not getting a dime. And since then
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: it has been nothing but bad news for our boy.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Pain.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: He is, he's just wrong here. He's just like, he's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: so wrong. He's dirty and shady and it's unfortunate.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: She asked about the defamation of character. James says that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: John hired a private investigator who started harassing my boss
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: trying to collect payment. James says, my name and number
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: were on the thing, and so they shouldn't be conducting
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: anybody else but me. And Judge faith is like, well,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you weren't answering Texter calls, and he says they were
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: slandering my name. Private investigator made a statement to the court.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: He's not there in court, but he provided a statement
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: saying that he went to serve James Payne a subpoena.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: James gets in his car and speeds off while he's
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: trying to put the subpoena under his windshield wiper. James says,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: wasn't me.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Percy commits a pena? Wasn't me?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Judge Faith said the wrong logo, wasn't me. That the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: private investigator at the Gamemes wasn't me. Investigator reached out
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to multiple people inside the building who did confirm that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that was indeed James Pain.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Judge Faith.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: General Judge Faith is giving John all seventeen hundred dollars
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: sixteen hundred whatever it is, and that defamation of character
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: is hysterical. This is one hundred percent judgment in favor
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: of the plane. I have no questions about it. Uh yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: seventeen hundred dollars to my.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Boy, John deserve a penny.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And then she lectures James about how awful he is
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and that nothing in life is free. He's yelling back
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: at her. I grew up in Detroit. I grind every day.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I know that nothing in life is free. My checks
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: don't bounce. They just kind of yell at each other
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: for a while. In a crazy turn of events. At
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the end of this, you know, I typically don't stay
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: the aftercamp, but I did on this one, and the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: AFTERCM that's what they call it The Aftercam on Judge
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Faith Show. John says he would be willing to work
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with James again if the circumstances were right.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: John, this is this is not surprising for a shirt person.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: I'd work with him again.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, people, because your people make mistakes all
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the time and they know it and so they're just like, yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I mean if it's money, I mean, if it's an account.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But after what James did, I can't imagine working with
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: him again. There's no stuff that's tough. The gabble there.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I love that. It's good stuff we did.
• 23:00
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• 23:02
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• 23:04
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