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#6: Friday the 13th Part 2 (1981) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Good morning, afternoon, and or evening.
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  Depending on, when you're listening to this this is what's
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  your least favorite scary movie, the podcast where we talk about.
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  Our least favorite aspects and most debatable opinions of our
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  most favorite scary movies. We fight over our favorites.
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  My name is Jessie and my name is Travis.
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  And today, we are Going back to the Friday, the 13th series,
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  going to Friday the 13th. Part Two going to be another
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  movie where I am in favor of it and Jesse not so much.
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  Yeah, more in favor than I was for part 1, but I still got a
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  lot of problems with you people. Airing the Grievances hearing my
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  grievances Every Day's festivities are about to, so
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  we're about to have the Feats of Strength.
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  So yeah, Friday the 13th Part to this one was directed by the
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  original Writer of the movie Stephen or the original.
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  Yeah, writer of the First Once even minor minor, I hardly know
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  her. Hey, hey, written by Ron kurz.
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  Sean Cunningham is actually involved in this one.
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  I was kind of shocked whenever I saw the credits say, he ended
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  the movie, which kind of is a demotion when you think about
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  it, maybe that's why. Woman, he clearly wasn't really
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  interested in the series from the beginning.
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  So he left it to the people who actually gave a shit about it,
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  which I, which somehow was Steve.
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  The guy who wrote it? Yeah, who Ooh, and the special
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  features for the first ones like yeah, Halloween did really good,
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  so we're gonna do that. Yeah, he, I mean, he knew what
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  it was and yeah, we like put effort into.
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  I don't think Shawn really put much effort into the first one.
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  I did not like some of his directorial choices but I guess
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  we will and this one. Yeah.
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  Okay I guess we'll get into that later.
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  Yeah, I guess we will but guess who came back for the music?
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  That's right. It was Henry manfredini.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know if he actually
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  redid the square. I feel like they just reused the
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  score from the original know. It felt it felt amped up a
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  little bit to me. I was much more aware of the
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  music this time and not even in a, you know, I'm going to be
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  doing a podcast about it later. I was just like, wow, there's a
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  lot more. Going on?
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  Yeah, I was more aware of the music.
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  This time of it existing, we're in the first one.
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  Real is just there for the tent scenes.
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  I feel like there was a lot more music in this one.
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  Yeah, actually I think it right because she made a point in the
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  first one of saying that he only put music in for the tense
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  scenes. So yeah, I think you're right
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  about that and our subtitles really liked to let us know if
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  the music was tense. Yeah.
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  Give us the mood since music. Yes.
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  Gary tense, music tense music. I can win sometimes tell me how
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  to feel. Yeah it takes a lot of the
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  guesswork out of watching movies Tom savini.
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  Unfortunately was not available to do the effects for this one.
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  However, they got somebody that I feel like I was pretty
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  confident Carl Fullerton. Yeah, he stepped in for him
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  since savini wasn't available for the movie.
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  He's went on to do other things like Friday.
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  The 13th. Part 3, and also Silence of the
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  Lambs. Oh really?
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  Yeah. So he's done pretty well.
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  He's actually still working. So he's made a name for himself,
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  good for him. Yeah, we know that they didn't
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  get to show the full Glory of all of his blood and guts and
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  this movie because we saw from his own personal effects, the
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  extended scenes with, you know, Thrice the blood, which really
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  elevates. It's kind of a shame that you
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  don't get the full picture, especially on Scott's deaf.
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  I think Scott's is brutal, and so is marks.
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  Yeah. And the, the cop like that.
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  Yeah, the hammer. Yeah.
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  What's spreading out? Yeah.
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  So going back to how the movie was received back in the day to
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  No Surprise. It wasn't received.
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  Well, I mean, they kind of knew what it was even though it was
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  just a second movie in this. I mean, Amy Steel didn't even
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  really want to audition for it. Yeah, a lot of people kind of
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  knew what they were getting into.
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  I got a quote here from The New York Times who gave it, its
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  highest rating of 4 out of 10. They they said, The point is an
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  excuse for joining together Horrors.
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  All of the pseudo masochist kind and the acting is rudimentary at
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  best. It will probably make a fortune.
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  They were not wrong. Yeah, Roger Ebert gave it.
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  The lowest one at 12 out of 100, it round her Hebert.
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  Yeah, he is a little bit to suit the soil before.
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  Yeah. That was their personal ratings.
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  I'm going to give it an 8 out of 10.
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  I really like this movie, it was so much better than the
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  original. It's a goddamn 8 out of 10.
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  But you keep the, which that's because the read the which sucks
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  and I stand by it. I don't care what anybody tells
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  me, the, which is terrible. Oh my God, you're terrible.
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  What did you guys? What did you get it?
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  66. Okay, so you what did you give
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  the original 55. Okay.
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  So we both I think race it by a single point.
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  So we've got we got a 7 out of 10 as our average pre discussion
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  score. Are we ready to?
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  Yeah, let's talk shop. That's a launch into this thing.
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  NG. All right, first of all, we see
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  a precocious young chat while we hear precocious young child
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  named Jesse. Hey, don't know why served?
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  Absolutely no purpose. There's a lot in the first 20
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  minutes of the movie, that's there.
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  I think probably just to give it a feature length because it is
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  87 minutes. So, yeah, it's 20 minutes of
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  basically the ending of the original movie.
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  God, this is my first problem. Yeah, but this movie it was just
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  like Whatever I was, you know, kind of lukewarm about Alice as
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  a final girl. Anyway, you know, if you haven't
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  listened to our first episode, you probably should because I'm
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  carrying over a lot of angst and grievances I was you know, kind
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  of lukewarm about it but we see her in this house which at first
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  I was like okay cool. She moved back in with her
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  parents. I still have no clue how old
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  this fucking person is supposed to be.
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  But no, she hasn't moved back in with her parents as we find out
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  when she has an angry conversation with her mom, who
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  was just worried about her child.
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  Who almost died. Yeah.
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  How is she in this gigantic house with all of this
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  furniture? I couldn't tell if she owned the
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  entire place or if that was like a building, like kind of an
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  apartment of sorts where that was her room, like her section,
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  and then like all of that shared space is just So much Furniture
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  crammed in there. Yeah, she likes Furniture.
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  Apparently. She's going through a traumatic
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  event. Okay.
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  She can like go about therapy her own way.
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  I mean, that's what she told her mom.
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  She said she just needed time for herself.
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  Exactly. She's a at points tense but also
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  fairly lacks about checking if her windows and doors are locked
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  apparently. Yeah, what should I do?
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  Understand her looking over her shoulder all the time because
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  the whole thing about Jason is he stays within Camp, Crystal
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  Lake, but exciting and it doesn't.
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  Yeah, I had a problem with this because I mean I know that this
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  is like the introduction of Jason ruing.
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  So So there's still kind of laying the groundwork about how
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  he is but I don't understand why they have him like go into the
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  city, how he's able to track this person down in the first
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  place. Yeah.
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  I mean he's just like a, it's like a and I mean we got this
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  whole recap of her beheading his mother and him apparently seeing
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  it through. You know how people talk about
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  drunk acting a lot? I think we need to start talking
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  about nightmare acting. Yeah, because it's twisting and
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  turning. Yeah.
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  All right listeners. Travis talks in his sleep and
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  I've been known to sleepwalk and I don't think either of us has
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  ever explicitly stated what was happening in our dreams, as we
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  clutch, the covers that we were laying on top of fully, clothed
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  did I not tell you that one time that I was dreaming about soon?
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  Oh, wrestlers, know, you were saying fight?
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  Mm, gotta fight them. Go to fight them and I said, who
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  you fighting Travis and you said the sumos and I was like, are
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  you winning? And you said, of course, Jesse
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  in that tone. Yeah, so yeah, Travis is a
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  pretty sassy when he sleeps, but it's never like a full X but I
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  don't know if you've ever spoken to a sleep talking person.
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  I highly recommend it because it It's hilarious, one time,
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  Travis, sleep sleep. Travis couldn't remember the
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  word for blanket. I don't accept it wasn't a
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  blanket. It was a towel that you wanted.
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  You said you wanted the warm square.
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  But yeah, I just I didn't like it.
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  I didn't like the cheesy effects of like her dream like shaky
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  skin. Did it in?
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  And then we basically just watched the last what 20 minutes
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  of the First movie, I don't clips and pieces.
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  You doing unnecessary thing. Like we could have just seen her
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  chop off Betsy, Palmer's head and Jason jump up out of the
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  lake. Boom, we're caught up.
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  That's really all you need to know because later on at the
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  camp, counselor, Training Center.
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  We get the whole Campfire story of what happened so we get so
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  much. Exposition for this movie, that
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  it's ridiculous and we could have spent it more on the like
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  four times as many calories. Slayers.
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  Is he getting this one? I didn't like the opening.
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  I didn't like the fact that they did the flashback because that
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  definitely did feel like they're patting.
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  It was cheesy effects. I, this is also where I had one
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  of my first issues with Steve minors.
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  Directing. Yeah, is a like, you know the
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  whole looking over her shoulder thing.
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  Yeah she Yanks back the shower curtain for absolutely no
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  reason. Do you not get paranoid with
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  stuff like that? That's like something that I
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  would feel would be real. Like I've done that before I do,
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  but she gets out of the shower. Seemingly not having finished
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  her shower. She looked like she did to me.
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  Not her hair was only half. What you do.
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  Always wash your hair, you should know.
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  I know but I don't get it half wet on days.
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  I don't wash it. I just it was just weird the way
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  she yanked it back and was looking directly at the camera.
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  Like she was, it felt like it was meant to be a Jason POV shot
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  but it wasn't. Oh, I thought it was kind of
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  cool. I didn't like it.
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  I like the whole thing. I thought that the whole so If
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  they cut all the flashbacks stuff and just had the whole
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  thing with her in the apartment I think that would have been a
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  really effective because I kind of like the tension that I had.
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  Yeah a completely understand her being paranoid and having that
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  that PTSD and all of that going on and you know the cat jumping
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  through the window was nice. Very much like so yeah.
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  Very much like Zoe including the whole what we call the sea jump
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  where her body just makes a c and all Four Paws move together
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  and also much like Zoe. The cat was pissed when Alice
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  gets killed before, she can feed.
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  It doesn't even hurt cat. I didn't get the impression.
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  It was well, she was gonna feed it that people, we have friends
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  that do that. I know that's, I guess it's a
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  good point. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, and he
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  makes it known to her. And this is I like this bit
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  because normally, you know, when Bill, Explain why they're doing
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  it. It's this whole big long
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  monologue, but instead, Alice opens her fridge and there's
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  mrs. Voorhees head, and then Jason's.
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  Like, so now you're dead because you killed her, like, that's
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  not, you know. Yeah, that's that's a very
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  definition of sugar until I, you know, not my favorite opening in
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  a horror movie. I was kind of dreading this bit,
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  really? I loved it.
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  I thought it was great but it, I guess is effective enough for us
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  to, at least. Get closure on Alice.
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  I think this is trying to make it more of a story rather than a
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  vehicle for death. So it was fun.
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  I do think there was much more of an attempt at storytelling
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  here. The characters are better in
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  this one too. They are.
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  Which is I think hilarious because they had so many more
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  characters but they found better ways to like give us Distinct
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  personalities for each of them. Yeah.
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  So I think that was a little bit more effective but yeah.
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  So we have all these. We start off with them Jeff and
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  Sandra are in a pay phone. Talking to Ted is Ted the new
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  Ned. She makes a lot of poop jokes.
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  He is the new net. Yeah, so it's like a thing that
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  pretty much every single Friday. The 13th has like a comedian
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  type character. Yep, at least.
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  This one is not quite as unbearable, and he seems to be a
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  little bit. Responsible.
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  He is he isn't present at positions or training center.
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  He's got Charisma. Yeah I mean he's okay he's goofy
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  but he's not like I wasn't rooting for him to die.
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  You know what I mean? And he doesn't that's what is
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  actually like. One of the only ones the whole
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  group that went to the bar. Yeah.
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  That we're gonna. I was like just being a he's the
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  only one I think that doesn't die in the entire series.
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  I could be wrong as we cover these more.
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  But, you know, I believe that's the case.
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  I mean, well, I got ten to go. Yeah, so yeah.
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  Jeff and Sandra are rolling into town, like the beginning of the
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  first one, except they're not hit tracking.
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  Yeah, they're just lost. Yeah, there's something at a pay
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  phone to call and get directions.
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  Meanwhile, some guy is Towing than immediately after they
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  parked their car, and they're running up beside him, he is
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  clearly fucking with them. And, like, at first, First I
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  thought he was just a tow truck driver.
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  That's just over all of the shit.
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  Yeah, me too because he's driving slow enough for them to
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  run this item and he can clearly hear them and he was like barely
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  hiding a smile. And I was like, man, this guy
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  just doesn't give a fuck. I'm just like enjoys it.
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  But it turns out, he's Ted's friend toe, Ted all fyodor.
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  So then Ted gets in the truck with them.
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  And tell us the beginning of a joke, the scene Cuts away, and
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  then we hear the end of the joke, which ends with.
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  Oh, no, you get the whole joke. If you read the subtitles, if
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  you, if you don't have subtitles on, you're not going to hear
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  this. I did.
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  I miss the middle part of the joke because I there was a bear
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  in a rabbit in the woods and then the next thing I heard was
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  Bear wiped his ass with the rabbit.
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  The bear asks, do you have a problem with getting shit on
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  your fur like implying that you know he has trouble with the
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  getting on his is and the rabbit says no.
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  And then the bear takes the rabbit and wipes his ass with
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  the rabbit. It's a stupid joke, it isn't.
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  It's a bad joke. But you know okay well I'm glad
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  that that actually answered that question because I was really
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  hoping that they wrote the script and they didn't have a
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  full joke there and they were just like and the bear wife.
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  Disaster. That like what happened?
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  Yes - okay cool Ralph Ralph is back.
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  So we know this time around that, he's not the killer, so
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  he's not the red herring that he wasn't the first one.
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  He's just the crazy guy that is going around.
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  Telling people that can't board and they're doomed, you know,
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  all that shit. And it is the same Lake that
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  can't blood was on their share and they said they're sharing
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  the lake and I'm confused because is this a camp counselor
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  training center or is it meant to be a camp because the sign
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  doesn't say Camp. It says, counselor, Training
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  Center. I don't think that they're
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  anticipating any campers here. Okay, It's just like a Regional
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  councillor Training Center. Yeah, I think so.
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  Which seems confusing because I feel like every Camp has its own
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  rules and guidelines and the guy was even talking specifically
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  about. We're going to focus on the
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  basics like fire building and survivalism.
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  Yeah, it's weird but we get at least a little bit of diversity
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  in the cast. Not a ton but we do have a mark
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  is in a wheelchair. Yeah you find out.
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  That's the results of a motorcycle accident.
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  We do have a black counselor. I did think I wasn't missed a
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  lot of games. Yeah.
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  I don't think they give him a name.
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  Um, he's just kind of there as like, you know, I'm part of the
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  group. There's a lot of counselors
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  here. Yeah.
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  They really know about happen them.
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  Yeah, we really get get just kind of glimpses of them when
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  they're all together. Basically more than half of
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  them, go out to the bars for most of this movie.
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  Yeah. You know they've got situations
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  for why a handful of them have to stay back?
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  We don't get much Beyond like seeing group interactions of
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  them, eating and swimming, and games aren't always explicitly
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  mentioned. I think they were mostly trying
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  to focus on us meeting the Doomed to die ones.
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  Yeah, it it gives it more of a, like, real feel to it.
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  I think which that is nice at least because I know that tends
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  to be a horror movie Trope about the by pressing directors
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  getting killed off. So yeah, that's at least nice.
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  This maybe in some ways was fairly Progressive because, you
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  know, Mark is able to maneuver around the camp without an
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  issue. And this is a full nine years
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  before the Ada was signed into law.
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  So, Yeah. He's clearly like physically
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  capable of getting around and handling himself and they're all
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  experienced counselors to, which I thought was nice.
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  Instead of like, in the first one where I was like, how the
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  fuck are these people supposed to look after children?
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  They are children. Yeah.
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  They all have counseling. Experience Camp, counseling
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  experience, not, you know, therapy counseling.
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  I like the the head counselor in this one, a lot better than the
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  first movies Paul. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Got his shit together, his
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  coffee. Yeah he seems like an actual
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  proper business owner, ready to talk and lead people unlike
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  Lumberjack Steve and the first one who didn't even have the
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  camp ready to go by the time staff were arriving, didn't give
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  them time to get trained because they had to put batteries on the
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  building wasn't even there for most of the movie.
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  Yeah, exactly. So Paul seems pretty competent.
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  He is a you know aside from The fact that he what came first the
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  counselor assistant or the girlfriend, I think that it is
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  implied. I think that they have a
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  history. Okay, that's what I got to
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  Sochi. I was trying to figure out if he
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  crossed a professional boundary and started hitting on this
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  assistant trainer or if she got the job through nepotism.
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  Yeah I don't think this case I think the nepotism is less
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  quickie so yeah yeah he's a it's not bad in this one I don't
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  Believe Paul's a good guy isn't even do that.
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  I mean, I mean he makes mention of literally would do it because
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  we see him do it. Rousey is him.
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  Do it too. We're not there yet.
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  That's right. Yeah.
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  Speaking of her inner Ginny shows up late.
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  Mmm. Not a good start off.
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  Yeah. And then we see, you know, he,
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  he does what he tends to do with all the counselors in this movie
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  where they make a mistake. And, you know, he's like, Don't
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  do it again. Yeah.
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  I was very forgiving in this movie.
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  Yeah. Watch.
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  I mean, I don't know. I don't think my boss has to be
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  a hard-ass to be a good boss and I don't think he has to be a
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  total pushover either. I think he rides that line well
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  enough, especially considering its day one, and when she points
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  out that she had car trouble and she tried to call but couldn't
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  because the phones weren't connected.
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  I think once he realized oh this was my bad.
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  Yeah, he kind of Let It Go, which is good because he had to
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  get out there in time to tell the rest of the counselors that
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  Bears are dangerous. Yeah.
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  Despite what you hear is what do you say?
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  What you do? Here.
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  Bears are dangerous. Yeah.
• 20:58
  Who's going around telling people?
• 21:00
  That bears are not a problem? Yeah.
• 21:01
  Like oh they're cute. It's fine.
• 21:04
  It's cool. I also want to note that this
• 21:08
  was the entrance of muffin. Yeah.
• 21:11
  Muffins. A cute little dog that's just
• 21:12
  running around. I don't know what it is.
• 21:15
  Really nothing else to say about it nothing's.
• 21:17
  Great has great muffins. Got a bow in her hair, she's got
• 21:22
  It's white. Fur.
• 21:22
  That manages to stay pretty clean.
• 21:24
  Considering she's outside in the woods.
• 21:26
  Yeah, we're Team muffin all the way here, he is very fond of
• 21:31
  muffin. Probably more so than Terry is
• 21:34
  considering how often Terry seems to lose muffin.
• 21:37
  Yeah. She's super not concerned about
• 21:39
  muffin. Yeah, so now I'm cuts to the
• 21:43
  camp, they're having the campfire, and he's given the
• 21:46
  whole Camp tell of Jason. So, this is some Stuff that I
• 21:52
  have issue with here. Okay even though I love this
• 21:55
  movie. So they say that the original
• 21:58
  events of the first movie were five years ago.
• 22:01
  Yep. They say that Jason killed.
• 22:04
  Alice two months later, said he's full grown by then.
• 22:09
  So he turned from a little boy to a grown man in a matter of
• 22:12
  two months. He had a training montage as he
• 22:16
  was preparing for his revenge, I could have been a better.
• 22:22
  I was just like thinking of It's Always Sunny.
• 22:26
  I'm talking about like the baby boy thing from boy baby boy and
• 22:34
  he's like what the fuck are you talking about Charlie baby,
• 22:37
  boys? He's not a boy.
• 22:38
  He's a man, maybe that's what Jason was this whole time.
• 22:42
  Yeah, that didn't that rub me the wrong way.
• 22:45
  Also, him being a little boy in the first one.
• 22:47
  Didn't really make sense either. If we follow the timeline of
• 22:49
  when he drowned versus when this was Was open?
• 22:52
  Yeah, I actually saw. I really think the continuity is
• 22:56
  wrong in the first one, so, because they added in that
• 23:00
  ending, that was bullshit and shouldn't have been in the movie
• 23:02
  in the first place. But Sean coming in and Tom
• 23:05
  savini. And I think somebody else, I
• 23:07
  think I may have been the guy who did the music, but they
• 23:11
  mentioned how stupid it was that like, okay, so if Jason was a
• 23:17
  man at this point, and saw this whole thing at this whole time,
• 23:19
  couldn't he have not told his mother, He was okay.
• 23:22
  And they could have prevented the entire events of the first
• 23:25
  thing. Yeah.
• 23:25
  I have a whole tangent about that in my notes later on
• 23:29
  because when we see when we see, I know we're not there yet but
• 23:32
  we see Jason Shack and I was just like man he's not living to
• 23:36
  well I don't think pets Betsy Palmer would put up with this
• 23:40
  and then I was like, Whoops. No, she thinks that he's dead.
• 23:44
  So this kid is going around avenging.
• 23:48
  His mother's death and protecting his woods but he
• 23:51
  didn't even tell his mom and dad.
• 23:53
  He's alive. No like What the hell?
• 23:58
  Yeah, it's got problems. Yeah.
• 24:01
  Oh and it that this movie has some problems but I don't think
• 24:04
  that they really cared well because it wasn't ever.
• 24:06
  The seagull wasn't ever meant to exist.
• 24:08
  It was never meant to be a thing in.
• 24:10
  This is, like, really see here. This is 1981.
• 24:13
  Yeah, so a year after they obviously scrambled to guess
• 24:17
  your coil because it was such a success in the box office
• 24:20
  whenever it release. So I don't think that they were
• 24:23
  concerned about that. I think they wanted to continue
• 24:25
  the I mean, rip off. So they went with, okay.
• 24:30
  We'll have Jason, do it. But you know, you can't have
• 24:33
  them on do it anymore because she's dead.
• 24:35
  Yeah, Jason was alive in the answer.
• 24:37
  Fuck it. Let's just make it Jason this
• 24:38
  time but I think you know this campfire scene serves much
• 24:43
  better Exposition than the actual Exposition.
• 24:48
  We have beginning. Yeah I agree.
• 24:50
  It should have started with this.
• 24:51
  Yeah. Because it's important to know
• 24:54
  that he's like, so. Supposedly protecting his Woods
• 24:58
  that he is avenging. His mother that you know,
• 25:03
  they're assuming, but he doesn't understand basic social norms,
• 25:09
  but she clearly doesn't so it it and it does all play A Part
• 25:15
  later. It just also makes me really mad
• 25:19
  that we had to watch those godforsaken flashbacks at the
• 25:22
  beginning of the movie just to get this.
• 25:24
  Yeah. I liked this scene in the rec
• 25:28
  room right after where we get just like little vignettes in
• 25:32
  two different characters relationships with another.
• 25:34
  Yeah. You know Scott hitting on Terry
• 25:37
  Terry shooting him down and then Scott dancing with muffin.
• 25:40
  Yeah, I thought that was sweet. It's cute.
• 25:42
  I can't even take it hard. He's just like okay I'm gonna
• 25:44
  dance with the dog. Now what I would have done in
• 25:46
  the first place. Yeah, I would have been like not
• 25:48
  talking to you Terry. I'm talking a muffin muffin, do
• 25:51
  you want to dance with me? Yeah, that's a good way to
• 25:53
  establish the characters without like Doing it in such a way.
• 25:57
  That was so obvious. Yeah, I thought that it was, it
• 26:00
  was nice because you get a little bit of a glimpse into
• 26:02
  each bit. Like everybody feels different
• 26:05
  enough. Yeah.
• 26:08
  And I mean, obviously, none of these characters is fully
• 26:11
  fleshed-out, which is to be expected.
• 26:13
  When you've got this like such a hot, so much about higher number
• 26:19
  of people to meet and work with, but I think that they did it
• 26:24
  more effectively than the first movie did with With five
• 26:26
  Council. Yeah, definitely.
• 26:27
  Yeah. So I you know that like can I
• 26:30
  retroactively take points away from the first one?
• 26:33
  Yeah, because especially God maybe Steve Miner learn from the
• 26:41
  first one. Maybe he was like, oh, I need to
• 26:44
  just not just phone it in because this actually is
• 26:47
  something. Yeah, I don't know.
• 26:49
  But I like the awkward dancing right in front of the door.
• 26:53
  I'm just like Muffin sees Jason out there too.
• 26:58
  Yeah. Muffin is a muffins, a good
• 27:00
  girl. Yeah, she knows what's up, she's
• 27:03
  a good girl. We see Paul and Jenny making
• 27:06
  out. Yeah, this is where we have the
• 27:08
  whole discussion about him acknowledging that it's not okay
• 27:13
  area. He makes a comment about how he
• 27:17
  shouldn't be doing I guess but I mean, I think with they both
• 27:21
  acknowledged it. They have that history.
• 27:24
  Yeah, it's not that big of a deal.
• 27:26
  I don't think he would have done this with any other person
• 27:28
  there. Yeah, I really do think it's
• 27:30
  more of a, you know, just a situation where he's got this
• 27:34
  thing going on and his girlfriend used to be a
• 27:35
  counselor and she's just going to come help me an assistant.
• 27:39
  I think really more, the issue is that she showed up late and
• 27:42
  he's trying not to show favoritism towards.
• 27:45
  I think that's a big thing with it and just to give and from
• 27:49
  when you were talking about the original about how you didn't
• 27:52
  know The age of any of these people, how you thought that
• 27:54
  they may burn? Maybe were kids themselves
• 27:56
  everybody here. Is that we stop drinking age?
• 27:58
  Yes. So they are all over 21.
• 28:00
  So we're dealing with adults this time?
• 28:02
  Yeah, I didn't have ambiguity with them this time.
• 28:05
  They all seem to actually be adults that know how to do adult
• 28:09
  things. And it just it it even though
• 28:13
  that that's what I'm saying, the first one, it's so all over the
• 28:15
  place with the way it's written. But this one is a little bit
• 28:18
  more, you get much more of a sense of these characters even
• 28:22
  About anything being explicitly stated, right?
• 28:24
  Yeah. It's much more effective.
• 28:27
  Yeah. Ralph you know back to doing his
• 28:31
  harbinger of Doom thing and he gets sidetracked because I guess
• 28:36
  he's waiting to see if Paul and Jenny are going to do it.
• 28:38
  Yeah and he's just outside and then Jason's like hey man pervin
• 28:43
  ain't cool and this is where we start to see.
• 28:46
  He's picked up on his mother's morality.
• 28:49
  Policing. Yeah, because he chokes Ralph
• 28:54
  out from behind the tree with some wire.
• 28:57
  See, I don't even think that he has like that morality thing
• 29:00
  with this. He's just killing.
• 29:01
  It's just if you're in his territory like you're gonna die
• 29:05
  because he mean, he does the same thing with the cop later.
• 29:08
  That's true. I mean but I just it all of the
• 29:11
  cop did enter his home. Yeah it was running away from
• 29:13
  the cop. I retract.
• 29:15
  That's yeah that's that's a stand-your-ground moment but he
• 29:18
  had every right to Oh that cough.
• 29:20
  Whoa don't yeah, this is gonna end up on the list.
• 29:25
  Yeah, yeah. No it and I don't know if it is
• 29:33
  I you said when we talked about the first one, there is
• 29:37
  definitely this whole element with this series that everybody
• 29:39
  knows. If you have sex, you're going to
• 29:41
  die. And I know it's not just the
• 29:43
  series, its horror movies in general, but it feels so much
• 29:47
  more over in this one. This one is one more.
• 29:49
  Xnn. Yeah, and I don't know if it's
• 29:51
  just because everybody is horny out here in the woods or, you
• 29:56
  know, and that tends to be, you know, he's doing all of his
• 30:00
  stocking in the woods at counselor training at parties
• 30:04
  at, you know, things like that. But it feels so consistent that
• 30:11
  it can't just be coincidental. You know what I mean?
• 30:13
  Yeah, I can see where you're coming from with that and maybe
• 30:17
  it wasn't intentional. God knows, there's plenty of
• 30:20
  these movies that don't feel intentional at all.
• 30:22
  Yeah. But I just think he's more of
• 30:25
  just like he's just a killer. He's territorial is this thing?
• 30:29
  Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.
• 30:33
  I do know that Paul is a dick because it Looks like he wrote
• 30:37
  on Jenny's mirror with her lipstick.
• 30:40
  Beware of bears. Did he do that?
• 30:42
  She woke up in the morning. Yeah.
• 30:44
  Well, because I think he realized that saying bears are
• 30:46
  dangerous was dumb, but he wrote beware of bears on her mirror in
• 30:51
  what looks like lipstick. Wow.
• 30:53
  And I don't think I have to tell you that if you smashed a tube
• 30:56
  of my lipstick up against a mirror, I wouldn't be happy.
• 31:01
  Yeah, I just it's not cute. I hate seeing things like that.
• 31:05
  And movies were Sick is used car.
• 31:08
  We watched New York Ripper this weekend to and she's she did her
• 31:11
  sychar. Yeah.
• 31:12
  It was using her lipstick to write in a dude's windshield.
• 31:17
  I just, I really wanted to get across the point that you do not
• 31:21
  want to fuck with bears. It's like I'm sorry I told you
• 31:24
  guys the last year that bears are okay.
• 31:27
  I really want to let you guys know that they are not okay.
• 31:30
  This time he he feels the same way you do about unedited
• 31:34
  footage of a bear. Yeah.
• 31:37
  Got a that short fucks me up. He can't, he can't listen to the
• 31:41
  song. Sermon stress.
• 31:43
  He gets sweaty as you can see asleep.
• 31:48
  So now we're up here. Yeah.
• 31:52
  Finds Jason because she's a good girl.
• 31:55
  She knew he was outside last night and she was like, listen,
• 31:58
  these people are all dumb and I don't want them to die and I'm a
• 32:02
  good girl. So I'm going to go take care of
• 32:04
  this. So I want to go ahead and insert
• 32:07
  this now. Box doesn't die.
• 32:09
  No, no, I'm thinking of, this is another, It's Always Sunny
• 32:13
  thing. I'm thinking that this is like a
• 32:15
  pop in scenario. So Poppins, it looks a lot like
• 32:19
  Poppins. If you guys are familiar with,
• 32:20
  It's Always Sunny hot. Is Max dog, that always goes
• 32:24
  missing and always like they think dies but miraculously
• 32:29
  comes back every single time. So this is where Poppins dies
• 32:33
  here, muffin die, our needs Jason, and we're led to believe
• 32:37
  that he died or she dies. Wait, we we definitely, and,
• 32:42
  like, Terry. This is what I'm saying, Terry
• 32:44
  is just chill as fuck about the fact that her dogs Miss and
• 32:47
  she's like my friends, my family like Terry Foods writers like
• 32:50
  that fuck muffin. Yeah.
• 32:53
  Like, which was upsetting because we just saw we just saw
• 32:57
  muffin confront Jason. Yeah.
• 33:01
  So after they eat, they go swimming, because the whole no
• 33:04
  swimming, 30 minutes after you eat is a myth.
• 33:06
  Mhm. So I'm not gonna deduct points
• 33:09
  here because good on ya. It's just a cure there.
• 33:13
  Just you know, what? They're using the energy that
• 33:15
  their food made from reckoned shitty jokes.
• 33:18
  Yeah, literally shitty. Jokes Ted is all about these
• 33:21
  poop jokes, always with the poop jokes.
• 33:25
  Oh, and somebody says something about a frog in a blender.
• 33:27
  I forget which one out of us. Jenny.
• 33:29
  It was a Jew named. Yeah.
• 33:31
  But Is when Jeff and Sandra decide to sneak off the damn
• 33:34
  Crystal a court. A blood decide to sneak off,
• 33:37
  they make they talk about it. Literally within earshot
• 33:41
  everybody. Syndra's like hey Jeff, remember
• 33:46
  what I said about wanting to go to cat blood.
• 33:50
  They won't notice if we leave right now.
• 33:56
  And you know who did notice nobody, the cop.
• 33:59
  Oh yeah, notice them in can't blood.
• 34:01
  The cop is weird because I don't understand the same.
• 34:04
  Does he just Patrol the whole wake?
• 34:07
  Just, you know, the he seems very much aware of Jason but he
• 34:11
  sees, Jason run away from him, but we'll get to that in a
• 34:17
  second. So he takes them back to the
• 34:20
  camp. And this is where I'll wait Jeff
• 34:24
  and Sandra. This is when they come across
• 34:26
  muffin well, okay, here's what confused me because when they're
• 34:30
  like, is that a dog? And he was like, I can't even
• 34:33
  tell what it is. It's clearly muffin.
• 34:38
  Yeah, it clearly is muffin. And then later when they get
• 34:41
  back, they can't tear. He's like should we tell our no
• 34:45
  Sandra swick? Should we tell Terry about
• 34:47
  muffin and just like, no, I'm just going to pretend I didn't
• 34:51
  see anything. So could they tell it was
• 34:52
  muffin? Couldn't they?
• 34:53
  I don't know. Spoiler.
• 34:56
  So that way you guys aren't stressed the way.
• 34:58
  I was the whole time. Muffin isn't dead?
• 35:01
  I don't know. It's my just be a random dog.
• 35:03
  Yeah. No it's just very very sad.
• 35:06
  Yeah, still not cool with the dead animal.
• 35:09
  No, I didn't like that either. It's kind of unnecessary.
• 35:12
  Yeah, it really was it really was unnecessary.
• 35:14
  Muffin could have just been missing.
• 35:16
  We didn't have to see a dead animal.
• 35:19
  All right, you know what? Actually I'm gonna give this
• 35:21
  some that I think that it could have Have actually been muffin
• 35:25
  dead and I'll explain this way to once we get to the end of the
• 35:29
  movie. Okay.
• 35:30
  So they're freaking out over maybe muffin, maybe not muffin,
• 35:35
  I don't know. And while they're doing that,
• 35:38
  cop comes up behind them because the cop probably also lives in
• 35:42
  the woods with Jason and he is not amused.
• 35:48
  That they're out there because he's been talking around for
• 35:50
  knows that this was Camp blood and he takes the Bag and Paul
• 35:55
  just could not give less of a fuck.
• 35:59
  It's great I love them and I love the way that Paul stuck
• 36:03
  after them in the scene and the something, oh no discipline or
• 36:07
  anything. He said jinny, make sure they
• 36:09
  don't get seconds of deserted. Dinner hell yeah, Paul of that
• 36:13
  one. So much it was so good.
• 36:15
  A fucking the other made me love fall like oh no that was that
• 36:19
  was really great character. Yeah, he's such a change for a
• 36:22
  lumberjack. Steve doesn't have the same.
• 36:24
  Fashion sense. So he does lose like half a
• 36:27
  point there. But overall, he's much better to
• 36:30
  be running. This counselor trainings.
• 36:32
  And yeah, he's wearing a Yankees cap here.
• 36:33
  I have a bone to pick with. Yeah, I was gonna ask how you
• 36:36
  felt about his baseball team preferences, a Braves fan and
• 36:42
  it's only the Yankees are even in our week but I just don't
• 36:46
  know, they're the team that hey, I don't like them.
• 36:48
  I've been raised to not like them, I don't like them.
• 36:51
  It's a family tradition. It is.
• 36:54
  So the cop is, you know, driving home, mumbling to himself,
• 36:58
  probably practicing All The Comebacks that he wished, she'd
• 37:01
  said Nepal, as one does in their car, on the way, home from a
• 37:05
  stressful day at work. And then he sees somebody in the
• 37:09
  woods and even though he's obviously convince Jason still
• 37:12
  exist. He's like you know what fuck
• 37:14
  them kids bro and gets out of his car and starts chasing.
• 37:18
  This person who was clearly a lot faster than him.
• 37:23
  Who is this? Really running kind of slow.
• 37:25
  Its yeah. But yeah, he chases him all the
• 37:28
  way down into this house. That it appears that Jason has
• 37:34
  made himself. Our house is generous, it is a
• 37:40
  pieces of aluminum and like would would there's like some
• 37:46
  old tarp over top of it. It's just, it's really clearly
• 37:50
  scraps that he's gathered which is confusing to me because Was
• 37:54
  this whole part of the woods is you know off-limits to
• 37:59
  everybody. Yeah.
• 38:00
  It's being kept as like private property or whatever.
• 38:03
  I don't think it's actually, I don't know who owns the property
• 38:05
  technically. Now, the share the cop had said
• 38:08
  that it's condemned. I don't know how you can condemn
• 38:10
  woods. But, you know if the Old Camp is
• 38:16
  empty, why isn't Jason staying in one of the cat.
• 38:19
  That's what I was thinking too. Why would he lie just build his
• 38:22
  own home because my life. I can honestly, my first thought
• 38:25
  was, there's no way that these cabins deteriorated, this badly
• 38:29
  in five years, and I was like, oh no.
• 38:32
  He built his own. Cat is his own Shack somehow?
• 38:37
  He got a toilet. I like that.
• 38:38
  Yeah, I thought that was so strange that he like he this guy
• 38:42
  has been living in the woods has entire time but he says his
• 38:44
  toilet and he understands like it's something that you need.
• 38:47
  Yeah, I mean how many times do you gotta squat before you
• 38:51
  decide you just don't want to squat anymore.
• 38:54
  He's been doing his whole life. Yeah, I just but yeah, he's
• 38:58
  meant and I mean Jason for all his flaws.
• 39:01
  He's not a terrible amateur architect.
• 39:03
  Hmm. So he's got and the cop is just
• 39:07
  you know, looking around which copper not, you're in somebody's
• 39:14
  private space without any kind of Reason.
• 39:17
  Yeah. And this is why I said Jason had
• 39:21
  a right to do what he had to do. Because this guy is just like
• 39:24
  breaking into his home and he's I think he's got a gun drawn or
• 39:28
  he's got a weapon, I think? Maybe not.
• 39:30
  I don't know. I don't think even announced
• 39:31
  himself when he came in. No, he just barges in even if he
• 39:34
  And if he doesn't have a warrant no, he's got no probable cause
• 39:39
  like oh chasing somebody to their home in the woods.
• 39:43
  Maybe they don't want to talk to you because you're overreacting.
• 39:47
  Yeah, can't really blame Jason here but yeah he makes quick
• 39:51
  work of them to be fair though the cop clearly finds the death
• 39:55
  Shrine so you know it's true. Yeah we don't know he's not
• 39:58
  entirely wrong. Yeah.
• 40:00
  But like you know the cock shouldn't have been there in the
• 40:02
  first place, there's no way. That he would have known.
• 40:05
  He actually was going to be stumbling into a serial killers
• 40:08
  home. Yeah, he did.
• 40:12
  I mean either way he's not a cop anymore because he's dead right?
• 40:16
  Um it's it for him. Yeah but we're back to the
• 40:20
  campsite now and this is when the punishments actually come
• 40:23
  for Jeff and Sandra which isn't really much.
• 40:27
  They all the sudden they're going to go out and to the town
• 40:29
  and drink. Yeah, this is where we separate
• 40:34
  who is actually important in the cast and who are just there as
• 40:38
  filler. Yep.
• 40:39
  Except for maybe three characters, Ginny pain.
• 40:42
  Paul and Ted are three of the people that go to the bar.
• 40:49
  And that's just important for a plot points later.
• 40:51
  Yeah, everybody else goes Jeff and Sandra are required to stay
• 40:58
  back to watch the camp which I think you know what?
• 41:02
  That's fair. Yeah, in terms of punishment
• 41:04
  athletic, you know. They were trespassing in the
• 41:08
  woods like I just I kind of agree with Paul.
• 41:12
  Like do you need more intense punishment than that?
• 41:14
  No it like. Yeah.
• 41:16
  They're just kids. They feel like Jason is an urban
• 41:20
  legend at this point. All I really did was just
• 41:24
  trespassing and it wasn't even enough for the cop to want to
• 41:27
  give them a citation or anything.
• 41:29
  So it's we have the rest of them.
• 41:32
  We have Mark Vicky and yeah, Mark is just to recap, so we're
• 41:38
  all on the same page. Mark is the guy in the
• 41:42
  wheelchair after the motorcycle accident?
• 41:44
  Vicki wants Mark to be inside of her.
• 41:50
  Terry, still hasn't found. Sky still hasn't gotten Terry
• 41:57
  interested in him and then obviously we have Jeff and
• 42:03
  Sandra. Yeah.
• 42:05
  And this is when the movie ramps up, the whole killing.
• 42:08
  This is when we start this. Yeah.
• 42:10
  It's like, it gets to the killing pretty fast.
• 42:13
  Like it's like one after another.
• 42:14
  So Terry goes out by herself. And she tries to find muffin.
• 42:21
  Then decides. She must skinny-dip first baby
• 42:24
  of boobies in the series. I remember, you had an issue
• 42:26
  within the first 48. Yes, there are plenty of
• 42:28
  boobies. Here, Scott, crosses some, you
• 42:33
  know, more of boundaries by stealing her clothes.
• 42:35
  Yeah. Like I don't know if I was
• 42:38
  skinny dipping and you stole my clothes.
• 42:40
  I'd that's a different thing. It's a different that's a prank.
• 42:42
  If it's like some random. Do they die like prank?
• 42:45
  I've consented to nakedness with With you before like he's stolen
• 42:50
  the hitting on her face and that's just not that's not cool.
• 42:53
  Yeah and it really like it made me happy that he stopped into
• 42:57
  the Rope trap because I was like, you know, this is what you
• 42:59
  desire. I don't think he deserved to
• 43:01
  die, but to dangled upside down for a few minutes.
• 43:04
  I thought that was fair. That's fair also side note.
• 43:09
  Yeah, so the actor that plays Scott Russell Todd.
• 43:12
  He plays a wreck and shopping mall.
• 43:14
  I was like, man, that bone structure and those eyebrows
• 43:17
  look, Awfully familiar to me. I didn't even recognize it.
• 43:20
  I did, I love Charles a good catch, so yeah, he is side of
• 43:29
  tied up upside down. I guess they have not covered
• 43:32
  rope traps, flare snares snares. That's the word that I'm
• 43:37
  thinking of. They haven't covered snares yet
• 43:39
  in their counselor training. So Terry is like, let me go get
• 43:43
  a knife and I'll cut you down but Jason obviously had other
• 43:46
  plans And because that's his throat.
• 43:50
  Yep. Which was very much brutal and
• 43:52
  like that uncut version. It was very brutal.
• 43:55
  But also, I've never used a machete.
• 44:00
  Yeah, but I feel like the angle of how the machete past his neck
• 44:06
  versus where the cut actually was didn't-didn't work.
• 44:10
  Yeah. It felt instead of, you know,
• 44:12
  the blade being perpendicular to his neck, it was parallel.
• 44:16
  Okay, is how it looked on the screen and even if you want to
• 44:21
  say like maybe it was at a slight angle, she is dropping my
• 44:26
  neck, right? I am, I'm shopping.
• 44:28
  That guy even if you want to say that, it's at a slight angle,
• 44:33
  the business side of the machete or whatever.
• 44:37
  Isn't the side? That's where the cut appears.
• 44:40
  Yeah, it's a little bit confusing and I think that's
• 44:44
  probably more just an editing issue with the way the effects
• 44:47
  and stuff we're done. Yeah, most likely but that was,
• 44:49
  it was a little bit distracting and this whole movie has bad
• 44:52
  fake blood. It's not the worst fake but I've
• 44:54
  ever seen, but it's all. It's very bright red.
• 44:58
  Yeah, it's not the worst but it's something worse, it, but
• 45:00
  it's not the best. I've seen worse.
• 45:03
  I'm gonna follow Tom savini. Yeah, and good boy.
• 45:06
  Yeah. You follow Tom savini, but are
• 45:08
  we just marathon and all of the joy ride movies and there was a
• 45:11
  lot of bad fake blood in those? So you know my it's all
• 45:16
  relative, you know? Yeah, it's not bright red paint
• 45:20
  so I'll excuse it. I think the worst defense is
• 45:23
  when we see the Bloodshed the bed sheets later that are like
• 45:27
  bloodied But it's bright red and one blood dries.
• 45:31
  It gets dark ghost. Yeah, that's true.
• 45:33
  But it was a fresh as fresh. It would have dried some the
• 45:37
  water boy. That's a lot of blood, but it
• 45:39
  wouldn't still be bright. Red agree to disagree.
• 45:43
  No. I'm right on the agree to
• 45:47
  disagree. No disagree to agree to
• 45:50
  disagree. We'll deal with this later.
• 45:52
  No, it's somewhat. This podcast is I have a lot
• 45:57
  more experience with blood than you, man.
• 45:59
  Okay, fine. Okay so we haven't gotten a
• 46:02
  Terry's death yet Scott gets his throat slit while Terry is
• 46:04
  looking for the knife then it goes to the bar and shows Ginny,
• 46:08
  Paul, and Ted are all talking to each other.
• 46:10
  Ginny thinks that Jason actually like isn't an urban legend, but
• 46:14
  she's right. But, you know, in Paul, and
• 46:17
  Ted's defense, why the fuck would they think?
• 46:19
  She's right? You know what I mean?
• 46:20
  Yeah, she does use an r word, that's really uncool so I didn't
• 46:25
  different time. Different time, which doesn't
• 46:28
  excuse it. But you have to accept this
• 46:32
  stuff. Just don't like it.
• 46:37
  Also. They're really shoot like he
• 46:39
  never was around other kit. He died at Camp.
• 46:42
  Yeah, I doubt summer camp. He's been around other kids in
• 46:45
  later movies. It's shown that the kids push
• 46:46
  them in. Yeah, so I do not did she's not
• 46:50
  pay attention to all the exposition.
• 46:52
  She only got can't fire Exposition she didn't get Alice.
• 46:55
  Exposition No, we're back at the cabin and Terry's died at this
• 47:01
  point, but whatever will pass over their back at the cabin and
• 47:05
  Vicki's asking, Mark. If his dick Works in a way, that
• 47:11
  is what she's asking. It's not subtle at all.
• 47:14
  No, she is like, full-on flirting with them, which, you
• 47:17
  know, what, good for you girl. And I like that, she was small
• 47:20
  to flirt with him without knowing if I'm just gonna be
• 47:22
  pool full of p and v, you know what I mean?
• 47:25
  Like he doesn't even really give her an answer.
• 47:27
  He's like, I find ways. Yeah, I think I'm okay that
• 47:30
  works. It happens like offers am
• 47:32
  enjoying is like, I'm training. And she's like, what are you
• 47:35
  training for? And he gets like this confused.
• 47:37
  Look on his face. Like, what am I training from?
• 47:40
  That's the song. Yeah.
• 47:41
  I keep saying it throughout this movie, but when he's actually
• 47:44
  asked about it, he doesn't have an answer.
• 47:47
  It would have been nice to know. I think, let's see if the two
• 47:51
  video games that she gave him a choice between.
• 47:54
  We're like, what baseball and hockey and football and hopped
• 47:56
  up on her. Aqui.
• 47:57
  So maybe he's training for football and he was sad that she
• 48:01
  chose hockey. Yeah.
• 48:03
  He's just like she just can't pick up on any of my hands so
• 48:08
  she decides she's gonna go. Get sexy.
• 48:13
  Here's where I need your expertise, okay.
• 48:16
  She changes out of Black Panties into Brown.
• 48:24
  Crunchy Santan panties. Yeah.
• 48:27
  Are those sexier than the black one?
• 48:30
  And um, they didn't the only difference, I noticed this like
• 48:34
  that they were a different color but no, it doesn't really affect
• 48:39
  anything. I mean, she don't quite pleased
• 48:43
  when she pulled those out of the drawer like yeah, I was kind of
• 48:46
  surprised personally that that was her special underwear.
• 48:49
  Like this is your move right here.
• 48:51
  Okay, so it's not just, you know, know?
• 48:54
  Okay, I don't know what the lingerie lingerie situation was
• 48:58
  back in those days, but I wouldn't Really say that.
• 49:01
  That was a sexy piece of lingerie.
• 49:04
  Okay. I just wanted to make sure it
• 49:06
  wasn't just me. And my own personal taste, I
• 49:09
  thought was interesting that she like sprayed perfume down.
• 49:11
  Her Underpants is everything. No, it shouldn't be a thing.
• 49:15
  That's that's how you get a yeast infection.
• 49:17
  I got in my nose, I was like, cool.
• 49:19
  You are going to need to go to the doctor soon.
• 49:22
  Yeah, I didn't think that, that was like, you're gonna have a
• 49:24
  yeast infection. You're going to have like, some
• 49:27
  type of it was a UTI. I don't know.
• 49:30
  You're gonna Do something down there that you don't want to do.
• 49:32
  This is going to be painful, and you're gonna have to take
• 49:34
  medicine that sucks. Yeah.
• 49:36
  Like it's just, it's a bad idea. There are other things you can
• 49:40
  do. If you want to smell good down
• 49:42
  in that area with a good bath or shower.
• 49:44
  Take a bath, take shower. Put some lotion like, you know,
• 49:48
  on your inner thighs or something, but don't fucking
• 49:51
  spray perfume down there. She probably also uses a douche
• 49:54
  ladies, don't use douches. I've heard the vagina is
• 49:58
  self-cleaning it manages its own pH.
• 50:01
  Don't listen to Summer's Eve and whatever those other douchey
• 50:04
  douche companies. Tell you scriptures there wrong,
• 50:06
  you'll be okay, don't get perfume, don't listen to Travis,
• 50:08
  he does not have a vagina. I'm sorry if he didn't want
• 50:12
  anybody to know that it's okay. I saw it in a movie Once Yeah,
• 50:17
  so she's getting sexy and this is my debatable.
• 50:21
  So this right here after this, okay?
• 50:23
  This is Mark's death scene. I would put Mark's death within
• 50:28
  the top five in the entire franchise.
• 50:30
  I would put a maybe up as high as you know, for now I'm going
• 50:34
  to put as number one is probably my number one favorite death in
• 50:37
  the entire franchise. What are you laughing at My
• 50:40
  Pain? Yeah I do this all the time.
• 50:42
  This is really distracting but yeah so Mark's death.
• 50:47
  Awesome. So he's willing himself out
• 50:49
  there, it's raining you. Miss what did you point out that
• 50:53
  this is the second movie out of two movies so far where a woman
• 50:57
  has been inexplicably outside not wearing pants and it starts
• 51:01
  to rain wasn't the first one, the Friday 13th.
• 51:05
  Yeah, okay. Yeah.
• 51:06
  That's just the thing. Yeah, signature.
• 51:08
  I'm gonna we're gonna keep track of this if there are.
• 51:11
  I'm gonna see if there's a pantsless lady in the rain and
• 51:14
  all of these souls. Okay, we'll see what happens.
• 51:16
  But But anyways Mark is always willing himself out there and
• 51:20
  then he like somebody's creeping up from behind them and then
• 51:23
  bindis good gets like the machete right into his face.
• 51:26
  Yeah. Carl wheels back.
• 51:29
  We was all the way down the stairs and I love that shot of
• 51:31
  like the stairs and like his body just like going down like I
• 51:35
  it's just so effective, it's so creepy but yeah, it does like a
• 51:39
  freeze frame when he is halfway down the stairs and part of me
• 51:41
  wanted to know like how far his body goes.
• 51:45
  I think it goes all the way down.
• 51:47
  Is chairs, like handling the stairs surprisingly.
• 51:50
  Well, I don't understand how they got that shot.
• 51:53
  You know. I don't think we have seen where
• 51:55
  Terry died. I do.
• 51:56
  We have wasn't rotarians. Yeah.
• 51:58
  She had a forgettable death of. Yeah.
• 52:00
  I think she probably just died when she went and found Scott
• 52:03
  dead. I think Jason just killed her.
• 52:05
  Then I think we see it. Yeah, but I just, yeah, this one
• 52:08
  has happened. I just don't remember how it
• 52:10
  happened. Yeah, whatever if she claimed
• 52:13
  of, yeah that's fine. Can't all be winners.
• 52:17
  So we get the two-for-one special.
• 52:20
  Because you get it. Yeah.
• 52:23
  Jeff and Sandra are all placed post-coital up there.
• 52:28
  Hmm. And I know they shot that was
• 52:30
  butchered from getting cut material, which is thank God.
• 52:34
  Jeff is allowed the Dignity of dying without that stupid
• 52:39
  fucking hat on his head. Yeah, God, I hated that at all.
• 52:43
  I could think was AC/DC whenever I saw him.
• 52:47
  There just is not a good hat. Is not a good look.
• 52:50
  And also, like, I'm a fake hair to person and he's clearly a
• 52:54
  thick haired person to you, gotta be careful with Hats.
• 52:57
  Making sure they fit your head. The right way.
• 52:59
  Because they will like, sit on top of your hair.
• 53:02
  Yeah. If they don't fit, right.
• 53:04
  And it just looks weird and it makes you look like you have an
• 53:06
  extra big head and that the cut and style of the Hat wasn't
• 53:10
  flattering either. No, it was not good hat.
• 53:13
  Yeah, this is what I think is probably the coolest death in
• 53:16
  the movie. Is just the spear through
• 53:19
  through both. Of them down to the floor.
• 53:21
  You like this one better than marks.
• 53:23
  Yeah, really. I do why?
• 53:25
  I don't know. Something kind of it's so brief.
• 53:30
  They died like they died together.
• 53:34
  I don't know the shot. The extended show is brutal.
• 53:37
  Yeah, they extended shot is actually, that was probably the
• 53:39
  most effective of the extended shots because, you know, in the
• 53:43
  movie, you just see like bloody spear like I go in through the
• 53:47
  bed, Jason, come up and then you see the bloody spear on the
• 53:49
  floor. Whereas, in the Extended Cut,
• 53:52
  You See? It Go through them and you see
• 53:54
  Sandra's face as she dies and I guess I kind of like the spear,
• 53:58
  like through his back. He's just wiggling around.
• 54:01
  Yes, it's good shit, but then Vicky comes back to the cabin,
• 54:08
  she doesn't know marks, Dad, she hasn't died yet herself and we
• 54:12
  see baghead Jason of this seem to like it's such a.
• 54:19
  So it's been a while since I've seen this and I thought that
• 54:22
  that was actually going to be Jeff under there again, but
• 54:24
  then, when he came out from under the sheets, like I
• 54:27
  thought, like holy shit. This is actually really creepy.
• 54:29
  P. Her death pissed me off because
• 54:32
  she could have run. She was just standing there.
• 54:35
  Run Rabbit Run. Like it just Vicky move your
• 54:41
  ass, but she didn't and she died.
• 54:44
  She gets stabbed his. Yeah.
• 54:48
  Paul and Ginny are coming back in the book.
• 54:53
  So they go back to the bar and they noticed that the power is
• 54:57
  kind of out the kitchen come back in.
• 54:59
  They're like all the lights are still on in the cabin and I know
• 55:02
  that they said this because later, when the power does get
• 55:05
  cut, they complain about the power being cut.
• 55:07
  And I was like, well, which one is it?
• 55:08
  Do you want the lights to be offered?
• 55:10
  You want them to be on and I know in context what they're
• 55:13
  saying, makes sense, but it was just kind of funny to have those
• 55:16
  lines like a minute apart. Yeah.
• 55:20
  Yeah. They come back and they're, you
• 55:23
  know, they automatically feel like something isn't right which
• 55:26
  good on them to not just be like, hmm.
• 55:29
  This is Weird guess it's probably fine.
• 55:31
  Like they're like, no this is weird.
• 55:32
  This is wrong. That go upstairs.
• 55:34
  They see the bed sheets with the paint on them and then lights
• 55:41
  out. Turn on the radio.
• 55:44
  They turn that shit up. Jason and Paul fight while Jenny
• 55:47
  watches. Yeah!
• 55:48
  She doesn't it. Help at all.
• 55:50
  Paul, Paul. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Paul just watching it. Like she couldn't grab.
• 55:57
  So smash a base over adjacent. So easy.
• 55:59
  Pounding something. But Paul has taken out.
• 56:03
  We get product placement as she runs and hides in the bathroom
• 56:07
  for her Legions. There right there.
• 56:11
  And this I think was actually a really effective jump-scare
• 56:14
  because you know he was pulling on the bathroom door and she's
• 56:18
  like getting ready to sneak out the window and like you know
• 56:22
  it's coming but I still I actually literally jumped.
• 56:25
  Yeah it got me. It's yeah it was it was good, it
• 56:27
  was effective so She runs the other way through the cabin and
• 56:32
  somehow Ralph is perfectly propped up in the pantry.
• 56:36
  I, I don't know exactly how quickly rigor mortis record Mart
• 56:42
  rigor, mortis rigor, mortis. Good morning sir.
• 56:47
  No, I'm just I'm doing drag race in my head reg.
• 56:50
  Amorous girl Reagan Morris who's Morris?
• 56:56
  No, I don't know exactly how quickly it's not sin but I I
• 56:59
  think that Ralph's entire body is stiff enough to just be,
• 57:03
  like, fully up there in the pantry.
• 57:06
  It's just one of those things that's really meant to be purely
• 57:09
  cinematic, and it's in so many of these movements and Halloween
• 57:12
  to also, a problem. It just, it's like, okay, did
• 57:17
  they did did, uh, did you know Ralph?
• 57:21
  I don't think that he was there during the whole whole bunch of
• 57:23
  Doom sing at the beginning. So so she hides under the bed
• 57:29
  and Jason almost misses her except Iraq, shows up a rat
• 57:34
  shows up. Did she pee herself because of
• 57:37
  the Rat? Yeah.
• 57:38
  So Jason is there. Making sure I understood what
• 57:41
  happened? No she doesn't.
• 57:42
  That she's not pissing yourself a Jason there but this rack
• 57:45
  comes up and gets right up in her face and suddenly I thought
• 57:49
  that was really bizarre just like seeing like a puddle of
• 57:52
  piss just coming out from under. I honestly couldn't believe I
• 57:56
  was like really this is what we're doing here.
• 57:59
  They were already made multiple poop jokes.
• 58:01
  Yes, you know live by the sword Die By The Sword.
• 58:04
  Yes, sir. Um, he notices that and he hides
• 58:08
  up on a chair. Yeah.
• 58:09
  I don't like, you know what? This is pretty crafty.
• 58:12
  Yeah. Except the chair breaks on him
• 58:14
  and he falls in. This was one of those things to
• 58:17
  this whole, maybe because I know there are multiple Jason's, like
• 58:21
  actors for Jason throughout the series.
• 58:23
  And I'm really like as we're going through these one-by-one
• 58:27
  and really dissecting, I'm Trying to make sure that like I
• 58:30
  can see the individual quirks of each Jason and you don't get
• 58:34
  that a lot with this one. No and it's because as we
• 58:38
  noticed in the credits, there's you know somebody there's
• 58:41
  Wellington Gillette on July. Yeah, he is credited as Jason
• 58:47
  and then there's somebody else that's credited as the prowler,
• 58:49
  which led us to do some digging because we were trying to figure
• 58:52
  out, you know, if it's like a, the shape deal or whatever,
• 58:55
  believe it is. There's still going after that
• 58:57
  Halloween thing but note there We're so many people that stood
• 59:01
  in for Jason and this film. So Gillette was purely like that
• 59:07
  final scene where you see him without a bag that's when
• 59:10
  Gillette was in there and the guy that played Jason the entire
• 59:14
  time, which I'm guessing was credited.
• 59:16
  He's actually uncredited. The guy that actually plays
• 59:18
  Jason. Yeah.
• 59:19
  Because pissed off they didn't get credit for it.
• 59:21
  Yeah and there were there were so many people that filled in at
• 59:26
  various points in this major be good.
• 59:29
  It's a woman. Yeah, yeah, like and there are
• 59:31
  members of the production crew, only one person credit card is
• 59:34
  the prowler, but I think that kind of explains why we don't
• 59:36
  get a full sense of this Jason yet.
• 59:38
  So it's really kind of hard as we go through and we try and
• 59:41
  figure out our favorite. Jason's as we tried like,
• 59:47
  dissect the different Jason's throughout the series, it's
• 59:50
  going to be almost impossible to include this one in it, just
• 59:55
  because it was multiple people. And I don't think they really
• 59:57
  had a good feeling for it. Did you happen to look up?
• 1:00:00
  What the production time? Was for this movie?
• 1:00:02
  How quickly did they film it? So yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Um, looks like they began principal photography on October
• 1:00:09
  3rd, and it went until November. So 1980s is all back in like the
• 1:00:15
  year that the original really. So they did this all within a
• 1:00:17
  month, okay. So this was all super fast and
• 1:00:19
  that probably explains why they didn't have a fully fleshed-out
• 1:00:22
  plan for everything then yeah, this is Jason though he's
• 1:00:26
  creepy. I like every boy he's kind of
• 1:00:28
  bumbling here in the The end, he is like falling all over the
• 1:00:31
  place, our kind of Life, the moment where, Jenny came at him
• 1:00:35
  with the chainsaw. And he actually had a very human
• 1:00:38
  moment. Yeah.
• 1:00:39
  He put the hands up and I liked that.
• 1:00:41
  Yeah, that was a good touch. I was.
• 1:00:42
  He's so yeah. He still is very much human,
• 1:00:46
  have a child. So to, yeah, so I thought that
• 1:00:49
  was a nice touch but that's really the only sense of an
• 1:00:51
  actual personality. You get from this particular
• 1:00:54
  Jason and I think that's part of the reason why it's just they
• 1:00:57
  had a lot of people in there and they Hadn't really decided on a
• 1:01:01
  full. Yeah, there's still winging it.
• 1:01:04
  Yeah. But she goes into his home
• 1:01:10
  where? Yeah, she finds the his whole
• 1:01:14
  mother Shrine and she quickly puts together that, hey, this is
• 1:01:20
  Jason, this is his mom and somehow knows like, hey, if I
• 1:01:24
  pretend to be his mom and put on the sweater.
• 1:01:26
  So that's where the story about the camp.
• 1:01:29
  Fire at the beginning comes in because they talked about how he
• 1:01:32
  saw his mom get beheaded. Yeah, so we know that he's got
• 1:01:35
  those mommy issues there and she RT you know doesn't think very
• 1:01:39
  highly of Jason and whatever. Differing mental abilities from
• 1:01:46
  her might have she's like, hey I'm going to manipulate this guy
• 1:01:50
  which whatever life-or-death situation.
• 1:01:52
  It's, you know, not the terrible idea because it does mostly
• 1:01:57
  work. Until she moves, just enough for
• 1:01:59
  him to see his mother's head. Yeah, on the shrine still, but
• 1:02:03
  this ending or this scene right here.
• 1:02:05
  It's does a good job of it makes you think that it's like, the
• 1:02:09
  end of the movie, because it does the similar shot of the
• 1:02:12
  first warning kind of ghosts Cuomo.
• 1:02:13
  And Grabs the weapon and like a Texan.
• 1:02:17
  Except he covers it by, you know.
• 1:02:20
  Paul is there he shows up and saves the day.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah. Somehow he's alive.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah, I don't understand all that.
• 1:02:26
  Jason doesn't double tap either apparently.
• 1:02:29
  But yeah. So they end up maybe Jason there
• 1:02:31
  and decided to hack. The machete deep in his
• 1:02:35
  shoulder, his machete as sharp as should.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah. Ooh, that was a nice
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  alliteration. Yeah.
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  But yeah. They're back in the cabin.
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  And this is a great scene. So I wanted.
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  This is where I want to hear your theories about.
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  Okay, so let's go with the dog, okay?
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  So what happens in this scene, they're back there and then they
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  hear a noise outside the door. They hear the door creaking,
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  they open the door and it's the dog.
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  So this is the Poppins scenario where you're like, it didn't
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  die. It was just a lot of the entire
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  time. It looked like it was dead but
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  in reality. Okay, so the dog is there and
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  then they go back and Jason has like another jump scene where he
• 1:03:16
  bursted window which I thought was another girl, another good
• 1:03:20
  jump, scare did not see it coming.
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  Yeah way more effective than the original one also fun fact
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  apparently he hurt himself doing the his first try because the
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  window did not pray. So he just hit his head really
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  hard. Oh yeah.
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  Good. That happens like five pounds of
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  Prosthetics on. Yeah, we get a glimpse of his
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  face and how its disfigured here.
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  Again, I thought they did a really good job of making it
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  look like a more grown-up version.
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  Yeah. Jason Yeah, like really long
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  hair to. Yeah, I thought that was good
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  effects work there for Carl. So it cuts out after that and it
• 1:03:53
  fades back to the ambulance. So so the okay this is my I've
• 1:03:57
  got a lot of issues with this but I'll let you give your thing
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  first. I think that this is a play on
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  like how the original was where you kind of think it was more
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  dreamlike. Again the reason I think it's
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  kind of dreamlike is because the dog comes back but we saw
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  earlier in the movie, the dog is dead.
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  So, I don't think that this is something that really happens or
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  does it. It's like one of those like
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  weird like, makes you think like, is this real?
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  I think we're led to believe. It's not.
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  So you know, how we had that, 20 minutes of padding at the
• 1:04:29
  beginning of the movie. Yeah, there was 20 more minutes
• 1:04:32
  worth of story, right? Fucking here.
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  Yeah. Because I was just, I was pissed
• 1:04:36
  off. How is it the next day?
• 1:04:38
  Where the ambulance come from? And obviously, obviously the
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  answer is that the Of the counselors came back from the
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  bar, right? Like we know that they were
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  supposed to come back. You know they probably came back
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  later than they were supposed to because Paul had made the
• 1:04:53
  comment of when this bar closes come back to the camp and then
• 1:04:56
  Ted immediately goes Hayworth after-hours places.
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  Yeah. So we know that they're going to
• 1:05:00
  be back later than they're meant to and I think that was meant to
• 1:05:02
  lead up to something else. Okay but we don't ever see those
• 1:05:06
  other counselors coming back even though clearly they're the
• 1:05:09
  ones that came back and were able to call the ambulance and
• 1:05:12
  everything but but how did none of Them died.
• 1:05:15
  How did they find everybody? I feel like there was so much
• 1:05:18
  more story to be told here on the back end that just got left
• 1:05:21
  out. Completely in favor of
• 1:05:23
  rehashing, the end of the first movie at the beginning of this
• 1:05:26
  one. Yeah.
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  I think that I don't know. I know what you're saying and
• 1:05:31
  they could have flush this out more but I think that the way
• 1:05:33
  that they did it was good. I think the like leaving that
• 1:05:36
  mystery. It's kind of how they did it.
• 1:05:38
  The first time, I feel like they did a much more effectively this
• 1:05:41
  time, you don't even know about Paul.
• 1:05:43
  She's asking. By Paul, nobody's answering her
• 1:05:45
  like, was Paul really there. Did she like successfully kill
• 1:05:50
  him the first time and like everything afterwards was like
• 1:05:52
  all like a host nation like she stumbles back to the cabin and
• 1:05:56
  you know like who's and it's all this stuff from like I don't
• 1:05:58
  know what's up boys? I can't remember if she actually
• 1:06:00
  got. Yeah she did her legs.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah. So she could have been loosening
• 1:06:05
  this whole time. It's just meant to be like
• 1:06:07
  they're they're clearly making it like a thing where you're
• 1:06:11
  just guessing like what is real? I'm like they Would have done.
• 1:06:14
  That were also showing like glimpses of the other counselors
• 1:06:18
  coming back and seeing things that would have ruined it.
• 1:06:21
  I don't think it would have because I have more questions
• 1:06:25
  that it doesn't questions that don't feed into that ambivalence
• 1:06:29
  questions that are just like logistically.
• 1:06:32
  You know, how did other counselors not die if Jason jump
• 1:06:37
  through the way? You know what I mean?
• 1:06:39
  Like, well if you're in like I don't know the way that I'm
• 1:06:42
  thinking like I think that you're You're supposed to think
• 1:06:45
  that he did die in the original or he's always put down like,
• 1:06:49
  for the time being after the altercation at his house and
• 1:06:53
  that she just made her way back there.
• 1:06:55
  You just assumed. Like he had already assumed that
• 1:06:57
  they come back and they called the cops I get doesn't have to
• 1:07:01
  say it all, but it also like, leaves out key, things like
• 1:07:04
  that. Just to like, make you guess.
• 1:07:06
  I don't like it. I don't like it.
• 1:07:08
  I feel like, I feel like the middle of this movie was decent,
• 1:07:12
  but the beginning. And the end.
• 1:07:14
  For not beginning everything aside from the flashback I loved
• 1:07:19
  that it was strong thought the metal is strong that the ending
• 1:07:22
  was strong thought that this was a great movie, much better than
• 1:07:25
  the original much better than the original.
• 1:07:27
  But I still have a lot of problems with it.
• 1:07:29
  I still don't think it like, it's creepier.
• 1:07:33
  Yeah, I will give it that for sure.
• 1:07:35
  And it was more enjoyable to watch, but I think it just still
• 1:07:40
  feels very like, very sophomore. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:43
  Hmm. Like, well, I had issues.
• 1:07:47
  So okay. Well after all this, what do you
• 1:07:50
  want to rate it now after we've discussed it?
• 1:07:53
  You know what? I work myself up into a frenzy
• 1:07:55
  I'm knocking it down to a five. I'm fucking pissed.
• 1:08:02
  Oh shit, dude. Well guess what?
• 1:08:04
  I didn't give it a 10 like you gave the which so I can still
• 1:08:06
  improve the score after the talking about that ending
• 1:08:09
  because I've made that realization actually kind of as
• 1:08:11
  we were talking about this or that theory.
• 1:08:14
  That it was all kind of like pop.
• 1:08:16
  What I keep calling a pop in this muffin is a not actually
• 1:08:20
  dead. I'm going to bump it up to 9
• 1:08:23
  because I think it's a good improves upon the first one in
• 1:08:26
  every way. It's would generally creepy
• 1:08:29
  throughout the entire movie. Jason is like scary in this.
• 1:08:32
  I think I just think that they did a great job is very
• 1:08:35
  effective. All right well that brings our I
• 1:08:39
  can't do math. Our average stayed the same.
• 1:08:41
  Yeah that's till 7:00. I didn't do that intentionally.
• 1:08:44
  Really do that. But I will generally like to
• 1:08:46
  think it was better after discussing it.
• 1:08:48
  I don't think it was a nine out of ten son.
• 1:08:50
  It's a 9 out of 10. It's not.
• 1:08:52
  All right, so we're going to talk about Talia here.
• 1:08:55
  Okay, so my Italian notes. Let's give Concepts about.
• 1:09:00
  Talia the forend it's Alia. And previously had been kind of
• 1:09:06
  sleepy. Yeah, she had a sleepy weekend.
• 1:09:09
  We've been dealing with the all of the snow and ice to Travis
• 1:09:13
  was working. I'm home for basically the whole
• 1:09:16
  week and tally has just been sleepy.
• 1:09:19
  And she just didn't want to deal with our bullshit.
• 1:09:21
  This weekend's like normal. We thought she was there.
• 1:09:23
  Something wrong with? Yeah, we were to the point where
• 1:09:25
  I'm like, are you sick? But she got like a good nap in
• 1:09:28
  while we did grocery shopping and went back to her normal
• 1:09:30
  self. So, she was back back to being
• 1:09:33
  playful and she sat down as we started to watch this movie.
• 1:09:36
  Her ears were perking up at this music, but then, once she saw
• 1:09:41
  Alice was asleep, she was like, oh, fuck this.
• 1:09:43
  I'm not dealing with Beginning of this and she went to sleep
• 1:09:46
  for a little bit. Travis had the audacity to move
• 1:09:50
  his feet on the couch that he was sharing with Talia, which
• 1:09:55
  prompted her to jump up and decide that she needs to go out
• 1:09:58
  right then and there. So it was about 49 minutes and
• 1:10:01
  is when she like scratched at the door, she came back in and
• 1:10:06
  she decided she was going to play with her toys.
• 1:10:09
  She slam-dunked one of them into her toy basket.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah. It was me They were at the bar
• 1:10:14
  and like the rock music was playing, she's like she was
• 1:10:17
  feeling, it was feeling it, she was whipping her toys around.
• 1:10:21
  She was doing her wool Victory whips.
• 1:10:23
  She tried to demand a plastic water bottle from Travis to chew
• 1:10:27
  on. That's one of her.
• 1:10:29
  Other favorite things to do in the movie is get her loudest
• 1:10:32
  toys. Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  So we can't hear anything and then when Travis it after the
• 1:10:37
  movies, she barked at us for a few minutes.
• 1:10:39
  So we had to pause it at about 55 minutes, to get her to calm
• 1:10:43
  down. I got it up on the Karen at an
• 1:10:46
  hour we paused because she was intimidated by our nine pound
• 1:10:51
  cat that had taken her spot on the couch and she wanted to get
• 1:10:54
  back up there, but she can't do that by herself even though she
• 1:10:57
  weighs oh, 60 65 pounds, more than the cat.
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, so we had to pause yet again, to, to get her situated
• 1:11:08
  on the couch. So I'm going to say, all in all
• 1:11:10
  Talia, probably thinks this movie's not entirely.
• 1:11:14
  Only worth watching but she did like the music.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah, how I listen is yeah, she was feeling the music so I think
• 1:11:21
  she would give give that. Yeah, she's a solid.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah. All right, who did you?
• 1:11:30
  Who did you relate to the most? And this maybe try this, I
• 1:11:33
  waited to Paul because he had his shit together and he was
• 1:11:37
  just kind of like a, he was a good guy.
• 1:11:40
  I everybody else was kind of, you know, I didn't pay anybody
• 1:11:44
  in this movie, they were all good.
• 1:11:45
  Even like the comedian Ted like you at least was charismatic and
• 1:11:51
  his jokes, may not have been good, but he was, I could tell
• 1:11:54
  that he would probably be fun to be around.
• 1:11:57
  What about you? I really did the most to mark
• 1:12:01
  because I am also training for what Any other final thoughts on
• 1:12:12
  this? Nope, we'll come back for part 3
• 1:12:15
  in about a month. Yeah, we have got a few movies
• 1:12:18
  lined up and between now and then one of them is most likely
• 1:12:23
  going to be Children of the Corn.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, I'm excited. So in the meantime, you can
• 1:12:32
  check us out on our social medias.
• 1:12:34
  We've got a Facebook Paige, what's your least favorite scary
• 1:12:37
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• 1:12:40
  favorite scary movie podcast. And we've got a Twitter at least
• 1:12:44
  fav pod. You can also check out Travis's
• 1:12:48
  Twitter account, to groovy commie art my Instagram, on your
• 1:12:51
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• 1:12:54
  all of his art, including the artwork, he makes for our
• 1:12:57
  podcast. Every what does it cover cover?
• 1:13:00
  Cover picture? Art.
• 1:13:01
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• 1:13:13
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• 1:13:20
  she's got an Instagram. I'll tell you what, and am I
• 1:13:24
  forgetting anything? No, but I think that's pretty
• 1:13:26
  much it. All right.
• 1:13:28
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• 1:13:30
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• 1:13:40
  All right, until next time I've been Jesse I'm Travis.
• 1:13:44
  All right, thank you, thank you. Before he reaches the bottom of
• 1:14:00
  the stairs, they do like a freeze frame.
• 1:14:05
  Yeah. It's like coming up on the
• 1:14:10
  screen, I don't know.