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64. Don Saladino, Celebrity Trainer & Owner Drive 495 · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hurdlers, You're listening to episode sixty four of Hurdle,
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  Speaker 1: a podcast that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs to top
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  Speaker 1: CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten through tough times
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  Speaker 1: hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. My name's Emily Abodi.
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  Speaker 1: I'm having a good week. I'm not gonna lie. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited right now. I'm gonna be heading out to
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles this coming Friday for a full week, gonna
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  Speaker 1: be running around recording a lot of hurdles. So I've
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  Speaker 1: put this on on social media already, but if you
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  Speaker 1: or someone you know feel as though I should know
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  Speaker 1: someone that's out there that should be on Hurdle, make
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  Speaker 1: sure to hit me up.
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  Speaker 2: You know how to find me.
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  Speaker 1: It's at Emily Abodi at Hurdle Podcasts and over email
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  Speaker 1: at Emily at Hurdle dot us LA. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to be back anyway, Before I get into today's episode
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  Speaker 1: with my guest Don Saladino, he is a trainer to
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  Speaker 1: the stars and owner of New York City gym Drive
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  Speaker 1: familiar pace. All right, now, let's talk about Don. Let
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  Speaker 1: me tell you, when Don walked into the studio, it
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  Speaker 1: felt as though I had known him forever.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe that's just the fact that both of us
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  Speaker 2: have family and Long Island. He lives on Long Island
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: But he's just one of those people that is super
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  Speaker 1: friendly and he's also really good at what he does,
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  Speaker 1: which is no wonder why big name celebrity's like Hugh
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  Speaker 1: Jackman and Bryan Reynolds and Scarlett Johansson go to him
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  Speaker 1: when they want to be instellar shape for big roles.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, he owns a gym downtown in New
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  Speaker 1: York City called Drive four nine to five, and he's
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  Speaker 1: also currently on the cover of a men's health magazine
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  Speaker 1: special edition. But things haven't always been absolutely crazy, big
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  Speaker 1: name celebrities and high traffic for salad, you know. In
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  Speaker 1: today's episode, we chat about how he got his start
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  Speaker 1: fresh out of college, putting himself out there walking into
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  Speaker 1: big box gyms and asking for a job. We also
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  Speaker 1: talk about the tons of hurdle moments he's face. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about the financial crisis and how that caused him
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  Speaker 1: to completely pivot his business.
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  Speaker 2: Back in around two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about him and his family losing their apartment
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  Speaker 1: to Hurricane Sandy in twenty twelve and how he managed
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  Speaker 1: to go back from that.
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  Speaker 2: We also talk about the intense attention to detail of
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  Speaker 2: this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Pays attention to his diet, what it's like to have
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  Speaker 1: a number one best selling app in the app store,
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  Speaker 1: and he also tells me the crazy story of how
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  Speaker 1: he got one of his good friends quote unquote upper abs.
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  Speaker 2: In less than a month. He's something special.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna love his energy and I think you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of great takeaways from our conversations today.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to take a quick moment to shout out
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  Speaker 1: my listener Becca for sending me the sweetest, sweetest message
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  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Feel free to always.
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  Speaker 1: Shoot me a note and I like to share these
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  Speaker 1: on the pod every now and again.
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  Speaker 2: She says to me.
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  Speaker 1: A friend recommended Hurdle to me a couple of months back,
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  Speaker 1: and now, whenever I feel down or unmotivated, I listen
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  Speaker 1: to one of your episodes.
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  Speaker 2: I love them. They have such a positive message behind
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  Speaker 2: each and everyone.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for being a positive voice in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, these are the kind of things that
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  Speaker 1: keep me going. And that's all for now. With that,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to hurdling.
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  Speaker 2: Today. I'm sitting down with Don Saladino. Don, how would
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  Speaker 2: you like me to introduce you today?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that fun when you get you choose your own adventure?
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny people call me celebrity trainer, which
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  Speaker 3: I hate, but you just kind of roll with it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm a I'm a business owner, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a fitness entrepreneur, I'm a I'm a I'm a coach,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a dad, a husband. It's like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: many hats, so many hats. I don't even know you
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  Speaker 3: could just you know, don sal you know, fitness person.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't sound will Avenge been twenty years. We'll eventually
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  Speaker 3: figure out what we're going to call me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's terrible. I think it just means
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  Speaker 2: that you have expanded your horizons.
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  Speaker 3: I have. And it's funny, like a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: refer to me as like a fitness expert, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I appreciate it, but I've been I've been
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  Speaker 3: studying and ed and educating myself for the last i
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  Speaker 3: mean professionally twenty years, twenty five years on this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I still don't consider myself an expert. I consider
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  Speaker 3: myself a professional. I consider myself someone who's continuing to
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  Speaker 3: learn and kind of up his game every single day.
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  Speaker 3: So I've been humbled by this industry.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you from done Long Island, New York. I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't tell that at all.
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  Speaker 3: Do I have that? Do I have that Long Island act?
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  Speaker 3: You have a little bit well there, SouthShore, north Shore,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm kind of north shore, so it's a little
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  Speaker 3: I think some people say that they can't tell, but
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  Speaker 3: one of my best friends is from the south Shore,
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  Speaker 3: and you could definitely tell he's from Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my family is from Long Island.
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  Speaker 1: Grandmother lives in River Hut now present has a house
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  Speaker 1: in Hampton Bays, but started it out in plain View.
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  Speaker 3: One of my closest friends lives in plain View, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm probably fifteen twenty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: From plain View, got it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, But during the day, most days you're in the city.
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  Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? So I live in a town called Lloyd Harbor,
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  Speaker 3: but commute into the city four days a week. I've
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  Speaker 3: been working in the city for twenty years. I lived
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  Speaker 3: in the city for thirteen at one point, you know,
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  Speaker 3: seven days a week. But now I do a lot digitally,
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  Speaker 3: and I can do a lot in front of the computer.
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  Speaker 3: So I try and break up my commute because you
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  Speaker 3: can get a little you can get a little taxing.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I actually enjoy the commute. I just
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't enjoy doing it five six days a week gets
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  Speaker 3: nice to four days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to break it up.
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  Speaker 1: So let's remind it back a little bit and talk
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  Speaker 1: about growing up on Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Were you always into fitness? Were you a guy that
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  Speaker 2: like bought the Men's Health magazine growing up.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny. I mean, I don't even remember men's health
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  Speaker 3: at that age, but I do remember, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: went through a pretty bad hearing problem and speech problem.
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  Speaker 3: I had a pretty heavy stutter. I'm actually speaking at
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  Speaker 3: Emily Blunt's event on the eleventh and just kind of
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  Speaker 3: addressing a group. I'm like dealing with it, coping with it, etc.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was something that was really difficult for me
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  Speaker 3: at a young age. But now I like almost laugh
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  Speaker 3: at myself with it. It's like I would never want
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  Speaker 3: to change it. You probably can't even tell I have
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  Speaker 3: it at times, but I'll definitely get locked up at times.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I went through a tough thing in second grade.
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  Speaker 3: I was coming home, couldn't really find my place, couldn't
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  Speaker 3: really fit in, was in a learning disability class because
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  Speaker 3: I had surgery. And you know, I remember going home
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  Speaker 3: and starting to practice baseball at my father and really
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  Speaker 3: just fell in love with the game and came into
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  Speaker 3: school and there was like a pickup baseball game at recess,
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  Speaker 3: and I remember just cleaning house and coming home and
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  Speaker 3: being like, Mom, I'm good at something. She's like, She's like,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna be good at a lot of things, but
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  Speaker 3: I think that's when when it took off for me.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember watching The Incredible Hulk. I remember seeing
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  Speaker 3: rufe Ignow, and I remember just kind of being in
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  Speaker 3: like a very weird way, like almost attracted to the character,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm sitting there looking at him, and just something
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  Speaker 3: resonated home. And then Donald Schwarzenegger, and then Michael Hearn,
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  Speaker 3: who I became friends with, you know, was a few
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  Speaker 3: years older than me, and I saw him on the
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  Speaker 3: cover of Iron Man. I remember looking at these guys
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  Speaker 3: and saying, wait, I could be big and strong and
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  Speaker 3: play baseball. This is going to go a long way. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: it really started for me out of I say it
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  Speaker 3: started for me in the second grade. I mean I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't eating, you know the way that I now, and
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to the gym. But I think that's
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  Speaker 3: when that chip was ingrained in my head, and that's
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  Speaker 3: when I realized that this was a direction that was
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  Speaker 3: going to kind of mold my life.
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  Speaker 2: I usually hold off on these kind of questions until
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  Speaker 2: later on, but you referenced like what I eat now,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just a little curious about what you are
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  Speaker 2: eating now because I mean, it would be probably pretty
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  Speaker 2: funny if a guy in second grade.
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  Speaker 3: Was yeah, it was like weighing his meals and not
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  Speaker 3: even saying that that's stuff that people have to do.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not a job for me. It's something. Nutrition
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  Speaker 3: for me is a hobby. It's enjoyable. I like it.
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  Speaker 3: I like how I feel. On the other hand, I
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  Speaker 3: do like going out and having some beers here and there,
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  Speaker 3: and I do like eating pizza or pasta, chicken, fingers
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  Speaker 3: and fry. So there's so there is a nice balance there.
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  Speaker 3: But I'd say ninety to ninety five percent of my year,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know, it's organic and I'm packing my meals.
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  Speaker 3: And for the simple fact do I have to know?
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  Speaker 3: I want to it's it's it's part of my life
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  Speaker 3: and it's part of what I enjoy and I like
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  Speaker 3: being optimal.
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  Speaker 2: So give me a snippet.
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  Speaker 3: Snippet, So breakfast was six ounces of grass fed meat,
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  Speaker 3: it was two cups of broccoli, and it was eight
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  Speaker 3: ounces of sweet potato.
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  Speaker 2: That was breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: Well that was the first meal. There's really no breakfast, lunch,
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  Speaker 3: and dinner. It's just meals. It's like meal, one meal.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why even said breakfast, I ever say breakfast,
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  Speaker 3: but I guess, yeah, it was my first it was
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  Speaker 3: my first meal with they. So my meals will look
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  Speaker 3: like that and it will work at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, which should total roughly a specific macro nutrient profile.
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  Speaker 3: So before, like I was on the cover of Muscle
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  Speaker 3: and Fitness last year, and I think a week before
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  Speaker 3: it was time to start prep because I found out
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  Speaker 3: in December twentieth and I had till January tenth to prep.
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  Speaker 3: So I never get any prep time, even like I'm
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  Speaker 3: on the cover of Men's Health, one of men's health magazines,
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  Speaker 3: I think July third this year, and my prep time
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  Speaker 3: is usually like two to four weeks. Like they'll call
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  Speaker 3: me and they'll be like, you gotta get ready for this,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I'm kind of ready. I just
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  Speaker 3: eliminate any little alcohol that I drank, and I eliminate
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  Speaker 3: any cheat meals I might have, and I might lose
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  Speaker 3: like five to seven pounds of water, and like every
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  Speaker 3: day I wake up and I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gett vinear, I'm getting more vasculars. Just it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of the world that I live in. And I enjoyed.
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  Speaker 3: So the meals look like that. But before the musclim
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  Speaker 3: fitness shoot, it was four hundred and fifty grams of
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  Speaker 3: carbs every day. I was consuming two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: grams of protein and about one hundred and twenty five
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  Speaker 3: grams of fat. And then when it was prep time,
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  Speaker 3: people were like, did you go into a deficit? I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: maybe a little. I dropped to three hundred grams of carbs.
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  Speaker 3: I kept my protein the same, and I dropped my
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  Speaker 3: fat from one twenty five to ninety and it was
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  Speaker 3: just it was like spot on.
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  Speaker 1: So and I think it's so important just to reiterate
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  Speaker 1: to the people listening that don lives like a very
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  Speaker 1: specific type of life, so like not everyone is going
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  Speaker 1: to like wake up and be able to or have
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  Speaker 1: the desire to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do it every now, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You understand that. Also, I have no clients none, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: and I work with every almost every big name celebrity.
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  Speaker 3: I tell I don't want them. They don't need to.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, this is enjoyable for me. It's a
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  Speaker 3: hobby for me. I'm always trying to find out ways
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  Speaker 3: to make things a little bit better. And sometimes that's
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  Speaker 3: just taking the week off and dude, what do you
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  Speaker 3: want to eat? And yeah, going to have some drinks
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  Speaker 3: with your wife. And I know my wife and I
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  Speaker 3: Saturday night we went out and we were just like,
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  Speaker 3: let's go get dinner and we have like a couple
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  Speaker 3: of sapporos And the next thing, I'm like, I want
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  Speaker 3: to go bar hop and She's like, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 3: Next to no, We're drinking margerite is and we're like
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  Speaker 3: six different places. Then we're eating ice cream, we're eating pizza,
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  Speaker 3: and then we're home by eleven o'clock because we're lightweight.
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  Speaker 3: So but I mean, it's it's for me, that's really,
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  Speaker 3: it's fun. That's that's that's what makes me tick. The
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  Speaker 3: people I work with, you know, the Ryans, the Jakes,
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  Speaker 3: the John Krazinski's there, you know, I just I tell
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  Speaker 3: them food quality and I tell them to make sure
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  Speaker 3: that we're getting enough food in our diet. Which is
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  Speaker 3: the biggest mistake that most people out there are making
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  Speaker 3: is they just start restricting calories and they just start
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  Speaker 3: shutting down their body and they just you know, food
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  Speaker 3: is medicine. You've got to feed your body, and it's
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  Speaker 3: like putting wood on the fire. You want that fire
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  Speaker 3: to burn hotter, you got to put one on it.
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  Speaker 3: You start removing wood from it, that flame is going
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  Speaker 3: to burn lighter and lighter. And that's probably why the
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  Speaker 3: majority of society really struggles with you know, body image,
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  Speaker 3: body composition called what you want?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally okay.
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  Speaker 1: So you are realizing you are good at baseball when
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  Speaker 1: you are young, yes, and a.
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  Speaker 2: Little flame starts to grow in you that maybe I
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  Speaker 2: like athletics.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I end up loving athletics, and I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: started playing ice hockey really young. I started becoming a
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  Speaker 3: competitive swimmer and soccer, which I was you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was mediocre at soccer just wasn't my focus. It was
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  Speaker 3: more of like a thing doing in that season. And
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to go play Division on baseball at a
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  Speaker 3: young age. I was like, I'm going to go play
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  Speaker 3: the Division on baseball. And I played Division on baseball
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  Speaker 3: and then I was like, all right, I want to
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  Speaker 3: play professional baseball. I just didn't work out for whatever
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  Speaker 3: reason it is, you know, say what you want, I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't good enough. Luck, whatever it was. It's kind of
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  Speaker 3: kind of be relevant. But I think that whole time,
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  Speaker 3: even when I was at these tryouts with the Mets
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  Speaker 3: and the Mariners and I was a couple of independent leagues,
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  Speaker 3: and I remember being there just saying like I wonder
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  Speaker 3: what their weight rooms. Like It's like I wonder what.
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  Speaker 3: So in the back of my head, like looking at
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  Speaker 3: it now, I was like, oh my God, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would have done it if I was asked to
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  Speaker 3: do it, but my focus was really going off on
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  Speaker 3: this path. And that's why I think, you know, I say,
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  Speaker 3: I said to someone the other day, like, this is
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  Speaker 3: not my job, this is my calling. This is just
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  Speaker 3: something that is me. And it's like, if you weren't
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  Speaker 3: doing this, what would you be doing I'd be I'd
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  Speaker 3: be six feet under, I'd probably be dead. Like this
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  Speaker 3: is just this is me. This is what I was
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  Speaker 3: putting to do.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, the baseball stuff doesn't work out, And where
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  Speaker 1: do you deviate from there?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you did you go to college.
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  Speaker 3: I did go to college. I graduated with a degree
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  Speaker 3: in business from Sacred Heart University, Oh Fair of Connecticut.
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  Speaker 2: I'm from Trumbull. All right, let's just keep doing the
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  Speaker 2: geography tumble all. One thing that everybody says about Trouble
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  Speaker 2: Connecticut is Oh, I used to go to the trumble
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  Speaker 2: Mall the Trouble. It has improved? Has it since you
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  Speaker 2: went to Sacred Heart?
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was fun when we used to go there.
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  Speaker 2: I remember it's not bad.
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  Speaker 3: There was this junkie panda express and oh yeah express,
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  Speaker 3: where did you get the orange chicken?
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  Speaker 2: Who does not get who does not get orange chicken?
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  Speaker 3: My friend johnre and dads that we used to go
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  Speaker 3: every weekend and get orange chicken?
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  Speaker 2: Amazing, It was amazing. Yeah. So you went to Sacred Heart,
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  Speaker 2: majored in business, major in business.
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  Speaker 3: And I left school and kind of blacked out for
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  Speaker 3: about six months, started working for a friend. Uh, just
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  Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. And I remember sitting with
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  Speaker 3: my mom and she's like, you know, I'm hearing about
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  Speaker 3: these trainers. I'm like, yeah, but they don't make any money,
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't, I don't know. She's like, why are
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  Speaker 3: you worried about money? Like you've been good at everything
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  Speaker 3: you've ever done, Like it'll lead to something like go
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  Speaker 3: do this, go figure this out. You're gonna be really
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: good at And I was like, you're right, I will
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: be really good at it. And I literally like, woke
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: up the next day, had a resume, already threw a
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: suit on. I remember driving through the Midtown Tunnel and
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: looking up and seeing the Empire State Building. I've been
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: to the city so many times, but it was normally
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: like with my parents or riding with someone in and
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: I really didn't know my geography well. So I remember
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: just I think, making a right up Third Avenue and
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: just driving and seeing a gym and being like, oh,
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: all right, and pulled off in the lot. And I
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: probably paid for, you know, two hundred dollars in parking
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: that day. And I literally just just kept popping around
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: and walking to places and be like, I'm here for
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: a job. I had no idea, Like I remember stopping
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: at New York Sport Club. I think I stopped at Crunch.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: I remember stopping at Equinox, and there was they were
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: opening a sports club LA up on sixty seventh Street
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: on the West Side. Walked into all of them and
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: eventually got hired at probably all of them, and then
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: I went and worked for one of them.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: And did you have a personal training certification when you
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: walked in?
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: I did have? I did. I forgot the certification at
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: the time. It was actually a really good course and
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: I don't really remember it, but it was a several
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: month course. Yeah, and then I got it. I went
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: in but I needed that it wasn't a national certification,
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: so I needed a national certification. So I went through
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: the the EFTI, which is equinox this thing back then,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it is now maybe it might
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: be and you know, and then I went I got
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: a national certification, which is kind of like it's kind
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: of like a BS Like people ask me what search
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: you get? I'm like, the CERT's kind of irrelevant, Like
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: it's just really where your thought process is and who
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: you're learning.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: From, and you feel like it's a jumping off point.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: It's kind of BS to be like, well what search
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: should I go get? I'm like, you know, I get
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: one of these three and yeah, it doesn't but it
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't stop there. I've probably taken in twenty years. I
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: mean I had to have taken well over two hundred courses. Yeah,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: you just it's something that even when you get the
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: cert it's not like, oh, I'm certified until it's time
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: to recertify, like I'm done, Like, no, you have to
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: go take courses you have to go learn different techniques
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: and methodologies and see different teachers, good people, terrible people
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: like you. I'm even a believer. Like if you're walking
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: into a seminar and you're like, and you hear, this
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: guy's terrible and he has five hundred people in the room,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: like go listen to them, Like there's a reason why
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: they have five hundred people in the room. So you know,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: it's really becoming a sponge after you, after you decide
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: to go down that path.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that's true for any career. Right, It's like,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: once you get into your career, when you're interested in
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: your craft, you need to keep learning your craft.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: Right, the ones you sit here and get like so
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: upset sess over the dollar amount, it's no different than
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: I think someone who's like, oh my god, I gotta
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: lose twenty pounds. I'm like, all right, well, if I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: told you can be the same weight and look the
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: way you want to look, would you rather do that
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: or do you want to lose twenty pounds and probably
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: look like crap? And they're like a lot of them
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: have turned me and say lose twenty pounds and look
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: like crap, and like it makes no sense to me,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: like don't. But a lot of these people who dive
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: into this because you know, they're so obsessed with like
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: a number, they're the ones who never hit their goals.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: But fitness is like business, Like you start at the finish,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: like set your goal, figure out what you have to
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: do day in and day out to obtain that goal.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And then today it's Wednesday, what do you have to
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: do today? Wednesday? What you got tomorrow? Fine, you'll start
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: preparing for tonight when the day's over, but today, focus
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: on today. Be awesome today. And if you fall short,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: you fall short. It's not about being perfect. It's about
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: just putting in that effort. If you fall a little short,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: you come back the next day. If you follow short,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: you come back. But then you start minimizing all these
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: mistakes and all these misses, and then by the end
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: of the year, you're like, Wow, three hundred and sixty
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: five days went by this year, and I might have
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: drank only forty daysast year. I drank two hundred days.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: That's a big improvement. So that's that's my thing. It's like,
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: let's get everyone to improve a little bit.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, I'm so big on the small winds.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know what has been a large
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: goal that you have set for yourself that you've worked
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: back from, not necessarily related to I know you talked
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: about the like the cover shoots and stuff like that,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: but something else.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the cover stuff. The cover stuff's nice,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: but it's really that's not my goal. That's that's like
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the sprinkles on the on the ice cream. It's just like,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: all right, let's it's added and it helps a little bit.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: My goal has been really very business driven, and I
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: enjoy having being a part of businesses, helping businesses grow,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: you know, everything, all the all the above on that stuff.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: So you know, when I when I do TV, it
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: helps drive to my business when I'm sitting there having
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: staff meetings. I love that my digital platform, I love
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: that it all kind of feeds the same pot So
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: being entrepreneurial, getting out there and just you know, kind
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: of that grind is something that I really enjoy. And yeah,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I've aspirations. There's definitely and exit strategy in mind, which
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: has changed a lot over the last fifteen years because
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: of all these opportunities. But I almost have I don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: even want to say it's a plan, a play, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: b it's like, all right, I got one thing going
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: on right now. If that hits great and if not,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to continue on this path. And that's fantastic.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of how I have to deal with
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: things because there's so many there's so much opportunity and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: so many things that pop up at me every week.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Fortunately I'm very lucky.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, business opportunity right now that you're working on that
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: makes you really amped up.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Not going into detail, but I've had my club for
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: fourteen years and there's a client of mine that we
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: have been discussing right sizing my facility size because it's
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: pretty it's a pretty big side. We got about fifteen thousands.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I have fifteen thousand square feet. So I think repositioning
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: that to where it's a very repeatable model and leveraging
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: some of the relationships I'm in bed with and tying
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: in a lot of my digital platform to that and
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: just very simple. Like I think that's a big problem
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: also is you start having these aspirations of all right,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: we're going to do this and it's going to go
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to this and that and that and that. You start
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: like laying out this whole wishless and you can't even
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: get the first thing right. So right now in the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: back and I wish I could talk about it. I can't.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's focusing on this one thing and
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: when that gets nailed, you know, adding this thing in.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: But you got to be you got to keep things simple.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: We just confused things too much.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Totally. Okay, So you are driving through New York, you start,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: you sign on with the Equinox, you go through Equinox'
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: training program. Is that process like everything that you would
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: hoped it to be.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it really was. I think out of the gate
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it was fantastic because I met about forty five coaches
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: and they were all really I mean it's amazing. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: don't mean I'm not Equinox, but it's completely like it's
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: it's changed. It really has. I mean, when you become
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: a corporation that's that big. Yeah, you can't. I mean
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: we're sitting on the floor with like you know, uh
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: PhDs and x NFL football players and you know, people
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: who are just like young and enthusiastic and like passionate
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: about all this stuff, and you know, everyone was learning
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: from each other. Was fun and it was a great
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: lesson for me because I think at like month six,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the Erico family sold and they got uh they went corporate,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and like that next day, I remember a GM coming
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: in and just looking at all of us. It was
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: forty five of us on the floor, and they just went,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: she went, You're all expendable. And I was like, wow,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: it was one of those scary things that you hear.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It was one of the best lessons I've ever learned.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It was a terrible way to deliver it, but she
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: was right. It was like, you know, don't think you're
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: you know what, don't stink and and you know, you're
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: all expendable. Not really the way I would have addressed
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: a staff that I'm just meeting, but I think at
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that point I saw the mom and pop mentality go
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: corporate and I and I really gained a quick understanding.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So I was there for about a year, broke off,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: started my own training business, kind of lived there for
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: about four to five years, going home to home in
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the city, training about forty to fifty maybe even more,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: one hour sessions a week. Young kid, you know, making
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: pretty good money at twenty two, twenty three years old,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: traveling when I wanted living on my own. It was
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: It was living in the city on my own for
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: five years. It was fun. Yeah, and then got financing
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: open Drive four ninety five and so it was a
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: golf fitness training facility and my brother and I went
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: in on that project and that's kind of when how
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: that all started.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So give me a little bit more intuble on a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: where the name Drive comes from and then b I mean,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: so that was your first brick.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And mortar, that was my first spot. Okay, because we
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: haven't we actually haven't even touched on it yet, right,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: we haven't even mentioned mar jumping around too much. No, no, no,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: we're doing that.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Drive. So Drive was us for about a year as
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: where construction completely confused. So it was a golf fitness
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: training facility. So we went after the Titles Performance Institute
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: in Oceanside, California, and we saw this golf training facility
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: which is fantastic like outdoor driving range, gym, you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: workouts curated for the golf swing, kinematic sequencing, all this
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: cool stuff.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: This is the first time you're mentioning golf. Were you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: into golf?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: So my brother was a pro got it, so he
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: was a pro. I've always been a golfer. I still played.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I'm playing tomorrow night. So you know, I've always been into.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Golf, but people play golf in night.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a league on Thursday nights. It's a
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: nine whole league. It's like six to seven thirty.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I guess that's been light enough. Still, that's interesting, Okay,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: it's fantastic.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: So we were like, all right, well, I think finally
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: it just came down to, you know, in life and fitness,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: you have drive, you're driving a golf ball. It was
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: kind of like synonymous to each other. They kind of
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: like weaved in nicely and we're like, let's call Drive
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: and the addresses four ninety five Broadway, so let's just
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Drive four ninety five, and then when we open Drive
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: four fourth three, it'll become Drive four four three or
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Drive three eighty or whatever the address actually is. So
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that's what ended up happening. And then when we opened
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: our next location, it was Drive four four three, which
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: was definitely a step down. It didn't have any golf.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It was mainly kind of the semi private one to
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: four coaching model, and it was a nice place, but
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: it was just it was just a step down it wasn't.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: It wasn't as grand, It wasn't it just wasn't as good.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And I think we realized after a couple of years
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: when we got into a good spot, it just wasn't
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: really worth our time. And it was that was that
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: was a great lesson because that lesson there is know
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: what you're great at, like just this is your model.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you find a model that actually works
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: and you get too creative and you start branching off
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: on one do things, I've seen plenty of people crash
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and burn there, and that's that's a tragedy. It's like, yeah,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you've got one concept that works, don't try and be everything.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: You're lucky if you have one, one great idea in life.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I also feel like it's important to like own your
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: weaknesses just as much as you own your strengths. When
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you realize and I've used this analogy before on the podcast,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: but and during my days, I write and I edit content,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: and I would say that I'm a better writer than
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I am an editor, and that's okay. And it took me,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you know, when I had that realization of what I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: liked to do more than the other. It was like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: should I feel concerned that I don't feel as though
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I am as good of an editor?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Not really, Like I'm just owning that I like to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: write more.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's that's an incredible quality of you. And
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: probably my best quality is one knowing what I'm not
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: good at. Two, relying on people that are better than
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: me and smarter than me in other areas, and just
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: establishing a team. You know, I believe in teams. It's
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't when you see one person that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: trying to be the jack of all traits. That's normally
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: when you dilute everything and you're just it's not as powerful,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: it's not as impactful. So I built my whole career
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: on that, and I built my whole career on pivots
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: and recognizing when something's not working and having like I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: had to change my whole business model in two thousand
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and seven, in two thousand and eight, like it just
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: it wasn't working anymore. And yeah, we were losing a lot.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: We were losing kind of anywhere from seventy to one
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: hundred grand a month. We started losing at one point
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: because my corporate events went away. You know, I had
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to refinance my apartment. My brother had a refinance's apartment.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Like we were just literally were pissing money into this thing.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And but the entire time, you believe, you believe, you believe,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: and you know, there was some dark. There was some dark.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: There were some dark years. I can't even say dark nights.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: It was like darky. I remember going to breaking up
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: some nights at two three in the morning and just
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: being out of breath, being like you know, but my workouts,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: my fitness, my nutrition, That's what got me through everything,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: because going to the bar after and drinking my sorrows away.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I worked the other way. This is my fitness, My
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: training is part of my survival. So going in I
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: could be stressed. I need that one hour, one hour,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes a day. If I don't have that, then
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I'm in.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: A bad spot for sure.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So talk to me a little bit about So you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: had open drive the first location, and then you opened
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the second location.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Well in between that, I started a digital media company
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: called Driven and we came up with this idea right
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: or around when when when apps started to kind of explode.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: You know, this this whole app world, probably eight nine
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: years ago started to really take off, so I leave
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: on my contacts and we decided to open I'm sorry,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Curate apps with a couple of professional athletes. One of
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: them Dwyane Wade, the other one Adrian Peterson, and the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: third one was Ernielle. So we created like a house
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: app for our gym, and then we went to the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: agencies and we pitched this concept and you know, I
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: had to going out to raise about a million three
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and you know, we had to take that money, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: we decided to curate these apps, developed these apps, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I mean out of the gate, it was like it
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: was it was explosive, like just to be a part
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: of something like that where you know, you're you're looking
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: at the back end and you're seeing like your app
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: go from like fifteen in the world to thirty in
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the world, to twenty in the world to ten to five,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and then you're at number one for a few weeks
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and cash is rolling in. You're like, oh my god,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: like this is this is incredible, and then out of nowhere.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: It's like the best way to describe it I like
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: to talk about it is like it's like hitting the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: peak at that roller coaster. Yeah, you know, when you're
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: riding up it. You're riding up, but it's going slow,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and then out of nowhere you just kind of cross
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: that top and then that's when you just take off.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That at that point it was just this screaming roller
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: coaster that was like you're holding on, You're out of control.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You're like, holy shit, this thing is going to hell?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: How do we keep this thing up? And I learned
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: more about the digital business in that you know, six
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: to twelve month span whatever it was got. I mean again,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: looking back on it, you say, well, you wish it worked,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: but another part of me is like, wow, I'm not
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: happy it didn't. My investors wouldn't want to hear that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: But there were so many good takeaways from that, and
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: there are so many things that I learned now to
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: do what I'm doing now.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about that all the time on Hurdle.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's like identifying the things that could be viewed as failures,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: but they're really just things that make us stronger.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Correct you know?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you you have this whole digital project and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: then you have the second location, So what give me
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a timeline here?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Oh god, It's like everything seems like between two thousand
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and nine and two, two thousand.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: And fifteen, fifteen, Okay, right now that's.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: With like four four three, that's what my other location
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and my digital platform and the entire time I had
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: drive I still have drivet on Vty five now, right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: And you got all these other garden of life, like
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I went and I started a sport line product with them,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: which did really really well, but then they got off
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: by Nestle and you know, we all got canned. So
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you know, but again that was even to this day,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I'm grateful for the opportunity they gave me. And I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: made a lot of money off that deal, and it
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: was it was, it was just great. So you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: things work out, things don't work out. It's like, you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: it all kind of works out in my in my opinion,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: like we're all still here. It's I'm in a better
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: situation now in twenty nineteen than I've ever been in
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: my life. And I don't want to go back and
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: do anything over. I'm not even like, oh wow, if
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I can go do it again, Like I don't even
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: say that, like no, no, no, I'm glad that happened because
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: then I wouldn't be doing this or wouldn't that put
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: me in this situation? Or you know, even getting on
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: a social media I remember when when I first got
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: onto it, I was like, I don't want to get
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: onto it, and a friend of mine convinced me and I
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: got on it, and I was like, Okay, this makes sense,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you know. So everything happens very reason.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Everything happens very reason. So you mentioned a business pivot.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: When does Drive go from the original model integrating golf
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to not so much golf?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Oh seven o eight right around when Lehman Brothers and
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: bear Stearns tent. So what happened was when we open.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I come from a catering background, so I grew up
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: working in catering halls. It's my family's business.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So I really very long island A yet very long
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: island me.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: So you know, but it was it was a great
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: business because you know, I worked everywhere from maintenance to prefabing,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: to waitering, to lifeguarding to me on and on and
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: on and on bartending. We were doing a lot of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: corporate events, and we were hosting events for like Barkley's
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: and Lehman Brothers and all these different companies and Goldman
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Sachs and their spending was very loose at the time,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: great like they would just coming and be like, oh,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: this is a great night, We're going to book the event.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And we all know, you know, years years ago, you
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: didn't have to go through all these like you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: governing bodies at these firms, and they would just book
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: events client entertaining, and I don't know, I remember one
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: day it was probably one of the best decisions I
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: remember making. I remember seeing the process change. I remember
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: we had to go through like six hurdles, hurdles. We
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: had to go through six hurdles to be able to
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: book this one event, and they're spending dropped, and I
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, this is a nightmare, Like this
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: is going to be really difficult. Our margins just diminished,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: like drastically, and I think this portion of our business
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: is going to disappear. And it did. So we just
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: we said, listen, we originally got in here to focus
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: on performance. It was golf performance in the beginning, so
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: let's just fitness performance. And right around that same time,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: this was two thousand and nine, twenty ten, I got
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: a client by the name of Hugh Jackman and he
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: came with a buddy of his and who was this
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: trainer at the time and decided to asked if they
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: can work out at the gym, and I said, sure,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: you're You know at the time, I was like, you're
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Hugh Jackman, come on in?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And he does anyone not say you're who Jackman? Come
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: on in? Like he wants to go to Starbucks? Are
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: people going to make him wait?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: In life? You know what? He said? Any and he
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: would wait online. That's it. That's what type of person
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: he is. But you know, I definitely owe a big
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: portion of my career to him. I saw him for
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the first time over I think December January. I was
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: at a group We all had dinner together at this restaurant.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: It was a client's birthday and we all kind of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: sat together and we were bsing and it was cool
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: to kind of hear what was going on in his life.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: But I owe a lot of it to him because
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I focused on him for about nine months. We just trained.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: There was really no social media going on. And I
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: even remember one time He's like, you know, how can
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I help? How can I help? And I'm like, you're helping,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Like you're like you're in here, You're you're improving, Like
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: let's just keep focusing on that. And I was never
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: really into exposing the client. I think they really love that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: And out of nowhere, it just became like this domino effect.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: It's like every week I was getting another phone call,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: like I have scrolled jo hands and I'm like, oh,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I've heard of you. How are you nice to meet you?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And how can I help you? And she's like, I
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: want to train. And then she's like, you know, my
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: boyfriend is Ryan Reynolds, like you should meet him. I
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: was like great, and then out of nowhere, it just
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: it was it was it was incredible. It's just this
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: domino effector every week, even to this day, every week
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm getting a call from someone a
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: professional athlete, like I want to come in, I want
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: to train, I want to work, and you know, and
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: now you just can't do it all on your own.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: You've got to start trusting and relying on a team,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: which sometimes can burn you. You know, when you're putting
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: people of that caliber in front of coaches. I mean,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of the time, I've been really fortunate
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: and lucky, but you know, about one percent of the time,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: someone's gonna try and steal someone or stabby in the back,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: or not be grateful or do something that's hurtful, but
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: you just got to cough it up and just say
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: that's part of you know, being in this position and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: sitting I always say, sitting in the chair, you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: just yeah, kind of owning that warning that job.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to it. Okay, So you start training
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: bigger name celebrities, some athletes, et cetera.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And obviously with that, the.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Golf mentality goes away and you're just focusing on more
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: functional training.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: It's still there, Yeah, the the golf is still there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: We're just not showcasing it, which became a little confusing
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: at a certain point. You would have actors come in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: and be like, wait a second, you finish your golf,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, the golf's upstairs. So finally we
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: just kind of it's just it's two different businesses. We
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: kind of sell it as it's like one one's upstairs,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the other's downstairs. It's tied into one club, and now
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  Speaker 3: worry so much about members It's it's more about just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, continuing to supply the membership with what they
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: need and continuing to add value and and and and
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: do right for them and optimize every every category. But yeah,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: I mean per performance, that was something I we always
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: focused on. I mean, training a golfer is really no
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: different than training a football player. That's what most people,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I mean the beginning, we wanted to sell that differently.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: But anyone who's telling you that it's it's different, they're
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: a fraud. You're you're you're creating a better athlete. You've
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: got to you know what, John over here, I'm just
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: giving an example here. If I have John and Jim
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: standing next to each other, their bodies move differently, I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: going to train them differently if they both play the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: sport of baseball. So it's really just creating a better
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: athlete for that individual.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: You mentioned sleepless nights and waking up and being scared
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and being scared about money. So that was all during
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the financial crash. Yeah, so everything happens then and after.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I mean it was it was it was a few
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: years of like band aids. Yeah, just putting like like
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it's I look at it this way, like God forbid.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: You know, you hear stories about people getting shot multiple
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: gun wounds. You're going to go in and you're going
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: to address the biggest gun wound in the beginning, you know,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: and then you're once that's taken care of, you've got
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: to start addressing other ones. And then you know, then
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: an affection happens in that main gun wound and you
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: got to go back to it. That's kind of how
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: my business was for years. And then we just and
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: then we just nailed it. Then we just figured it out.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Do you remember like anything super specific that in retrospect
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was kind of comical about trying to patch up one
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of these quote unquote gun wounds.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some of them were just out of
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: our control. It was the you know, least that we signed.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: It was the contractor that we brought in the beginning
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to do the construction on the place. I mean, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to this air conditioning problems the other day, it cost
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: me like eight grand, like one day out of page.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It's just to get one thing fixed that happens in
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that space probably every you know, four to five months.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: So we've spent like hundreds of thousands of dollars over
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: the years on the air conditioning. And you're just like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: it is what it is. You know, there's there's a
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: flood right now going on in Levi's and you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: the building's like, it's your fault, and I'm We're like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: it's not our fault, and you're just and you're sitting
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: there and you laugh at it because there's just nothing
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: you can do that. You can't go home and cry.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: You just you open the floor up, you look at
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: the pipes. You're like, no, look that's not us, and
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: you move on from it. And it's just you can't
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: see what's I don't want to say. It's frustrating for me.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: But what I don't really understand is you have a
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: lot of these people, see so called entrepreneurs that want
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: to get involved and they want to be in business
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and they want their own thing. But the second something happens,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: they want to run for the hills, and I'm like, no,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: you've got to go into this stuff with a miscellaneous category,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: like there's a reasonabhy on spreadsheets. You have things blow up,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: their conditioners blow up, Floods happen, fires happen, it's just
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: life in general. Equipment breaks down, and if you don't
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: have the stomach for that, well, I mean it's maybe
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: a bad way to put it, but you know, God
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: created chiefs and Indians. Maybe it was just not chief
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Oh no, seriously, I mean it sounds tough, but you
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: got to be able to you got to be able
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to take your punches in this business.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Totally. Okay. So soon after the financial crisis, then we
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: get Hurricane Sandy, which I know you had mentioned to
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: me was a little bit tough on your family.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I was living downtown. I bought an apartment
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: at eighty eight Grantach and we came out to Long
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Island and we're hanging out out there for the weekend
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: where my parents house, and we hear the hurricanes coming in.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So your first response is like, go back to the
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: city because the city is the safest spot. Like you're
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: just you know, you're in the city. There's you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: there's not power lines and there's no trees and We're like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you know, my parents, let's hang with them, Let's make
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: sure they are right. You know, I don't know how
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: bad it's going to happen. And we're the house is safe,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And we get a phone call the next
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: day and it's like, your your building has been shut down,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: it's been evacuated. There's this was what was in October November.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: We're not allowed back in until March April. So suddenly
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, well, what are we going to do,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Like we're going to move back into the city. And
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: my wife and I just said, let's moving with my parents.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: And they had a little like barn guest house in
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the back fortunately, and we just moved in there and
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: within a week the kids were going to elementary school
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: out there out in Long Island and then and they
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: loved it. It was like it was exciting, it was fun.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: They were probably they're eleven and twelve now, it was
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: what four and five, five and six, I forget, but yeah,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: So we so we held the apartment for a year.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: You couldn't sell it there. There was the elevators were
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and even working the deep the transformers were were downstairs
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: in the basement, and the basement was dirty, feet under underwater.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: What about all your stuff?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: We're fine because our building, our apartment was on the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: sixth floor. So my wife's machine. She literally came into
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: the city one day and like the dark and literally
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: like moved things out with like she got two movers
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: and they couldn't even use elevators or carrying beds down
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the stairs. And I was I was at work and
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even leave, and she's like, I gotta don'
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: worry about it, like you handle what you get a handle,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and I'll handle this. And she literally moved the whole
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: family as she moved everything out like a day, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: that was it. That was our that was our move
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: out of the city. I mean, if that didn't happen,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: we were thinking about moving out of the city. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: just don't know if we would have. You're you're so comfortable, Yeah,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: you know, it's everything so easy. My commute every day
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: was seven minutes.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So oh you know, I I've never had a seven
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: minute commute myself. Wouldn't that be pretty sweet?
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Pretty nice?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, So you move out to Long Island and things
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: are doing really great with drive and it seems like
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you know we're on the ups here, Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Starting to pick up. I mean it was you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: it wasn't dislike, oh, we just decided to transition and
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: there it was like you know at that point, you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: you took out loans, your borrowed money. Now it's like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: all right, the bleeding stopping and you got to pay
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: this stuff down. You got to pay this debt down.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: And that took several years for that to happen. And
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: you know, along the way, a lot a lot of
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: bumps and bruises. But you know, like I said, that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: part of sitting in that seat. You gotta be you
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: gotta expect to take that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Was it weird when you started to be referred to
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: as a celebrity trainer? I mean, you're talking that more
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and more of these A listers are coming into your space,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it's almost inevitable that you're going
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: to get a little bit of what I love to
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: affectionately call imposter syndrome.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: You know it was. I was on the Muslim Fitness
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: podcast the other day with a friend of mine named
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Mark Fisher, you owns Mark Fisher Fitness, and he paid
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: me the ultimate coup compliment He's like, Don was the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: one to take celebrity training and actually make it legitimate.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: And that's not saying that all the celebrity trainers out
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: there are bad, but what he was trying to say
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: was there there has been a lot of bad there,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of coaches that just it's
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: about giving someone an ass kicking and you know, not
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: taking into consideration what's going on hormonally in their body
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: or how their body works, actually paying attention. It's just
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: been more abaud effort, and I think that's a big
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: reason why there's been so many people becoming unsuccessful. Every
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: single person has to take the approach differently, you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: like Ryan Reynolds is going to approach things a lot
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: differently than say the woman sitting over there having coffee.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: It's just whether it's better or whether it's worse. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: it was an ultimate compliment for me to get that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: But in the beginning, yeah, celebrity trainer, it was you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: it's not something you really want to be to refer
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to as. But you know, just after a while you
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: just stop caring and just like listen, that's how they're
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: gonna refer to you. That's what they're gonna refer to you,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: and you know, if it's what brings you know, recognition
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: to the brand, and if it's what gets people excited
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: and enables you to help more people on scale, then
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: you just do it. It's just a title.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: During all of this, you mentioned that you yourself when
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: times get tough, you really do lean into your own training,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: your own fitness, your own mindfulness and health to get
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: through some of this tough stuff. How are you making
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: time for all of this in combination with running your business,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: in combination with caring for your family, And I mean,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: obviously there's just a lot of stuff going on.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: It's gonna sound incredibly selfish, but I got to clean
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: my side of the street, So I have to become
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: a little selfish with this stuff. And almost I'm not
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: saying putting working out in front of my kids. But
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you know, my wife and I have an understanding. She
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: knows when I have to get a work out, I
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: get to work out. It like there's there's there's no like, oh,
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: you can't get a work I need. You know, it's
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: this is what I need to survive. If I in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: the past, I've taken less clients to just get my
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: work out in. I'm never someone who's saying, oh, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: have ten people today, in which I won't even do.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: I train two to three people a day now max.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It's not even a lot. But no matter what, the
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: person who handles my schedule, Kim, she knows I need
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: roughly seventy five minutes just in my schedule blocked off
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: for me. And if I can't get that, you got
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: to find a place in the data do that. If
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: it's five in the morning, if it's great, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I normally have to get it done early. Worst case scenario,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: it's late in the day. I very rarely like to
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: train then. But on certain circumstances, when you have specific
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: opportunities that get thrown at you, you got to you
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: gotta jump on it. So yeah, no, I don't make
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: excuses with that stuff. That's like, I mean, that's literally
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: me like waking up, brushing my teeth and taking a
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: shower every day. It's just part of my day.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people what they struggle
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: with is just this idea of making it as important
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: as the other things that they deem important in their life. Right,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and especially when you're starting out, it's like you said,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: it's second nature, next to brushing my teeth and rolling
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: out of bed. Getting to the place where it is
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: second nature for so many it just feels like the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: biggest turnal right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I think also, I think the perception out there of
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: what needs to be done is just it's just awful.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: It's i mean, one of my favorite all time movies.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: I think Set's like one of the worst examples ever.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And that's Rocky. You know. It's like, all right, well,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: it's this is training montage and this guy like climbing
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: a mountain and heeds like literally falling down and he's dying.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, you don't need that. You just
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: need to be more consistent. Like I like going hard.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I like training hard. I like trying to be optimal.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I like looking at heart rate variability and doing all
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: these things that are going to help me become optimal.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: But most people out there don't need that. It's like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: all right, get seven an, I I was sleep a night,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: drink half your body renounces of water, eat good quality foods,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: break a sweat every day for ten to twenty minutes,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and you're going to be fine. Like it's not, it's
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: not a huge formula. Yet we always think it's like, oh,
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: p ninety x sixteen to ninety minutes a day, six
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: days a week. I'm like that you take anyone's sententary
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: and you put them in that environment, and yeah, something's
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: going to happen. But do they keep up with it afterwards?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: That's my question.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I think what happens for a lot of people is
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that they go into this decision fatigue.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It's like you're making all of these decisions and you're
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: feeling like, Wow, I'm doing so well, and you're seeing
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the benefits. But after a while, after making constant good
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: decision after good decision after good decision, you're like.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Wow, I just need to stop.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I need a break.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I need a break.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's that's part of the whole. That's the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: problem with resolutions, like New Year's resolutions. Everyone's like, oh,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go like two weeks without having a drink,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, okay, if you're coming to me
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: and you're like, I have to be on the cover
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: of this magazine by this time, or I'm in this
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: movie and there's a movie and there's a scene with
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: me with my shirt off and I'm on a horse,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, this.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Is a little dramatic, but everyone has this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Val if you're one of these, if you're one of
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: these individuals, and yeah, if you're a physic competitor and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: you're getting on the stage, yes you have to take
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: a much different approach. But the majority of the people
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: out there, I mean most of the people you're around,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: they want to look at themselves negan and feel good
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: about themselves. They want to have optimal energy levels, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: they want to be strong. And strong means like being
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: able to move and wake up and feeling empowered, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: those are really the goals and to get there you
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: don't need a lot.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about energy levels?
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting thing that I actually we
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: don't talk about enough, is that there are other goals
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: that people have when they're working out. And I would
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: say for me, energy is definitely important, but also lately
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out different ways to fine
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: tune getting better sleep.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: But let's start with energy levels. So what would you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: suggest for.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Someone who's just saying that maybe often in the middle
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: of the day they're feeling lethargic, or they have a
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: hard time getting out of bed in the morning.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Listen, this all comes back to rest and stimulants, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I mean even diving into digestion. I mean I would
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: start first with rest. How much sleep are you getting
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: and what quality of sleep is that. If you're someone
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: getting five hours of sleep and you start, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: overdoing the coffee early in the day, then you're going
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: to start getting into some sort of a call what
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: you want hormonal fatigue. You know, I've no problem with stimulants,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: granted you're getting enough rest. Which is almost like a
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: catch twenty two because people are like, well I drink
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: coffee because I'm tired. I'm like, well, that's bad. Like
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I drink coffee because it gives me somewhat of a
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: thermal effect, and I like going to the workout, I
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: have a little bit more awareness, a little bit more energy. Great,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: But once I start getting to the point where I
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: become so dependent on caffeine that I need it, it's
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: time to kill it. It's time to take a break.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think one, it's looking at sleep
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: and sleep quality. Start looking at things in the evening, like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: you know, are you on your tablet too long? What
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: type of light are you exposed to? How late in
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: the day are you drinking caffeine? Are you drinking in
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: past one o'clock? Are you maybe eating too late at
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: night where it's affecting your sleep? But I know someone
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: like me could eat late and I can eat before
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: bed and it doesn't affect my sleep. So it really
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: is like when people are like, oh I don't need
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: past six, I'm like, well, what time you go to bed?
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Like how do you do? Maybe that's hurting you? Like
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: that could be hurting you. So I think a lot
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: of times we take this one size fits all approach
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: and it really is individualistic. But the first few things
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I would focus on is just you know, improving sleep quality,
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: sleep and sleep quality and looking at caffeine. You know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: when you start overdoing that one area and neglecting those
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: other two areas, it's like it's coming. It's like right
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: left hooks coming from you in both angles. It's just
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: it's a really vicious effect.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You mentioned something else before that I think is also critical,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: which is half of your body weight and ounces in
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: water every day?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Is that the golden rule of them?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah? That is Actually that's something that now I'm working
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: with a woman lore some I can mention her name
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Laura Summers. I met her she was eight hundred and
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: seventy two pounds and she's down to three hundred and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: seventy five pounds now. So I don't have her drinking
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: half her bodyweight ounces of water because that would be
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot, that would be almost impossible. It's impossible,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: be that'd be a lot. So what I do is
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: just an improvement. It's just getting her to drink a
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: little bit more monitoring as she waking up late at
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: night to use the bathroom too many times. If it's once,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: we're okay. So yeah, certainly some really unusual circumstances like
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: that you have to coach accordingly. But all in all, yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: fifty fifty ounces have your body Rightno ounces?
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: And overall, I feel like in the summer, hydration can
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: be something that a lot of people don't put as
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: much stress on as they should. And then I personally
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: get a lot of questions from listeners about working out
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: and drinking water.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So I know there is.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: No necessary golden rule of thumb for what you should
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: be doing, but I think people get confused about when
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they should be reaching toward like a hydration beverage versus
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: reaching toward regular water, and how long do I need
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: to be working out when I choose one or the other.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: It was so funny, it was for years I hated
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: hydration beverages. I would I would do something. I would
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: add Celtic sea salt or pink Camiley and salt in
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: my water, and I think I thought it was one
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: of the best ways to rehydrate because of the trace minerals.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: And then I found this product call Halo that I
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: started using, which is probably the only thing that I
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: ever drink besides water and maybe the occasional alcohol. And
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: that's been that's been a nice change for me because
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I'm getting lemon I'm getting which is great for digestion.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: I'm getting the salt, I'm getting magnesium which helped gets
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: the body pair sympathetic and recover. And it's got electrolytes
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: and potassium and all the stuff my body needs with
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: like less than two grams of sugar.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: So and that's just a regular drink.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a regular It's just a regular drink.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I think they just came to market several months ago,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: and it's something that I do carry in my club now,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: But otherwise that what else when I drink like, yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: my occasional beers or tequila whatever it really is. But
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: all in all, it's water.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And Halo got it, Okay, So when it comes to
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that rehydration period post workard, it's obviously going to be
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: very different if you're doing like a thirty minute hit
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: workout versus if you're about to do what I'm going
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: to do and like going on long training runs on
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: the weekend.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm always I'm always rehydrating, so I
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: would never, like the goal for me is never to
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: get dehydrated where I'd need to rehide, right, So I'm
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: always like throughout that process, I'm always trying to feed
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: my body what it needs. And you know, I've gotten
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: to a good point where I could tell if I start,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm if I'm thirsty, then that's like, all right,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: well it's already a little too late. It's time to
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: dive into it. But you know, you just do the
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: best you can. And I do know even from a
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, Halo is probably one of my favorite hangover
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: things too. It's like you drink that before better when
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning and then that salt
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: does help, that sea salt does help with rehydration. So
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I think my goal for everyone is just to make
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: sure that you're not putting that water bottle down for like,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: you know, a half hour or an hour when you're understanding
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: your's activity, because then, yeah, that can really hinder performance
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and water too. It's like most things. I mean, this
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: is what purifies the body, this is what helps get
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: waist out of the body, and the cleaner the body
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: is and hormonally, the better off we are, the more
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: of a fat burning machine our body's going to turn into.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I've been trying to keep my water bottle
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: on my desk as like a reminder.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It's sitting in front of it right now in the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: studio and everyone has it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: And now they even make they make like light that
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: can go on your water bottle all that it'll start
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: blinking at you every forty minutes if you haven't had
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: a sip of it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: That's really cool, as I'm reaching for my water right
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: right now. But yeah, I mean sometimes people, I mean
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I have people do this when they sit I have
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: them set timers.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: A water timer. That's not about there's definitely apps for that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: No, a water timer or like like a sitting timer.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, to get up every once in a while.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I never want anyone sitting more than like thirty minutes,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: So I always tell them like every thirty minutes, like
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: how long t I stand for them? Like anything's in improvement? Yeah,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: if you could like sit for thirty stand for thirty,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: that would be pretty awesome. But you know, stand for
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: five to ten, move around, like take all your calls
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: with a headset on and stand up and yeah, and
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: don't get out of this position that I'm in right now.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, so we've talked water, We've talked about now,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: we've talked sitting and standing. Give me another easy to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: implement strategy that someone can do on the regular to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: just like tweak up that health factor, you know a
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Digestion is something that's incredibly overlooked when you have I
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: think the best way to put is you hear this
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: terminology leaky gut, and when you're consuming non organic foods
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: or toxins or alcohol or stress, you start developing. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: mean the easiest way I like talking about this is
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: almost like slashes on your stomach, lining and then a
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: lot of these talks start secreting in the bloodstream. So
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the thing that I love implementing in is like a probiotic.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: So I think before bed or when you're someone on
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: an empty stomach. I used to do in the morning,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: but I would have it and then I'm eating within
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: five ten minutes. So I like the probiotic before bed
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: because then you're going hopefully seven to nine hours with
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: that probiotic just working.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, tell the hurdlers what a
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: probiotic does for you, because this is actually another question
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I get constantly, and.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I went through this breakdown a thousand times with the
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: people with the nutritus over a garden of life. So
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: you have good bacteria in your body and you have
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: bad bacteria. And that's why antibiotics are bad because it
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: goes off. Yes, it not only kills the bad bacteria,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: but killing the good bacteria which your body needs. And
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: what happens is a probiotic now will go your into
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: your stomach and it almost starts acting like pac Man
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: as I'm doing like the pac Man. It starts acting
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: as pac Man, and it starts gobbling up the bad
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: bacteria and then it starts sticking to your stomach lining,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: it starts healing your stomach lining, which is, you know,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: we want we want a healthy digestion. We don't want
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: to have a leaky gut. So you can be consuming
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: the most healthy food on the planet, and if you
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: are not, if the bioavailability of that food isn't there,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: if you're not able to utilize the vitamins, the minerals,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the fiber, the protein, the carbohydrates, then you're like in
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: a way, like not utilizing the food you're consuming. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: that can become a huge problem. So digestion is one
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: of that's probably the easiest way to break it down.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that's something that it's low hanging fruit.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: It's something that's really easy. And that's also why you
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: really want to focus on an organic diet. When you
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: start consuming fried foods or foods with like partially hydrogenated oils,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: like this stuff becomes canola oil, it becomes rancid in
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: your stomach lining and in your body, it starts having
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: to work really hard to reject you know, all that
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: bad nutrition. Like take alcohol for instance, when someone's like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: do you drink alcohol, and I'm like sure, I drink
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: alcohol once once in a while, Well, what do you drink?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Likes wine better than vodka. I'm like, listen, alcohol is alcohol.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: It's toxic. It's it's it's a toxic element that you're
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: putting into your body when I go drink. I like
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: to drink beer because I don't get his banged up.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: I start drinking tequilas and we're at like some day
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: party at two pm. Then I'm going to be in
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: a field position by by five pm. I love that.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Your example is like if I'm at a day party,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But anything better than day There's nothing better than day drinking.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And admit this if anyone out there is like no,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I like drinking at night better than going to like
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a barbecue.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Because you're going to bet at like nine pm.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: It's amazing, and you're not the best. It's like after
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: one two in the morning, things are getting a little
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: weird and you're.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Speaking my language. I'm going to visit my brother this weekend.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: He just moved to Miami, and he uh, he asked
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: me on Friday if I wanted to go out, and
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: he had already told me he was going to get
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: us bar crawl.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I used that I don't really know what this means.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Tickets for Saturday, and I was like, oh, that sounds great,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and he's like, so what do you want to do
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: on Friday?
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I was like, can we just chill on Friday? Like
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I don't do nights that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: No, I'm the same, I'm the same exact way. So
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I don't even know where I'm talking about probiotics. Yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: but you know, so the the alcohol and jumping back
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: to alcohol, alcohol, I'm more concerned with what it's doing
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: to your body hormonally. Someone's not going to get fat
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: by turning around on a Friday and like crushing a
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: pizza and drinking ten beers. You're not going to get
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: fat from doing one day of that. You're gonna get fat.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: You're gonna put on body fat from doing that multiple days,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: weekend and week out, and you're just taking poor care
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: of yourself. But what's going to happen is this when
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you consume that poor nutrition. Your body right now is saying, WHOAOA,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: we don't we don't need this. There's a food. Food
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: is medicine approach. I want food that's like medicine for
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: the body. I want food that's going to help heal
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: my hormones. I want to get rid of this now,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: and then you start spending all this energy detoxifying the body.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: That's why these cleanses drive me nuts. Like the best
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: way to detox a body see organic nutrition, organic fruits,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: organic vegetables, organic proteins, organic carbohydrates. You know then that
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: when you get that clean stuff in your body, that's
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: the best way to the talks. Not not turning around
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: drinking juice, drinking lemon water for the next like five
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: days after going to Las Vegas and you know, being
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: in a coma for three days on alcohol and who
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: knows what else. It's like, no, you your body needs nutrition.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Now you're going to starve your body and you're gonna
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: put your body in a really bad state after it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: been deprived for three days. That's why people get sick. So,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I think the I think the whole outlook
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: on you know, even partying and nutrition and alcohol, it's
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: it's just it's just poor. It's just the wrong approach.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Do you remember when you made all of these positive
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: changes in your life and your diet, how that felt
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: for you at the time.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: It was wild. I mean I remember graduating my senior
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: year in high school and just diving into the weaver.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I was just I became like I became just a menace.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: And I was playing in this travel team for the
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: long Al Tigers. We're traveling all over the country, but
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I'm still working a job. We're doing a lot of
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: our traveling on the weekends. And I remember it was
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: like every day there was something new. Like at the time,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I was eating egg whites. I don't eat egg whites anymore,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: that's another story, but at the time, it's like, oh,
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: I gotta start eat egg whites. I'll start removing the
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: oaks from eggs. And I removed the oaks from eggs
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: to find out, you know, ten years later, that the
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: oaks are actually great. But I remember like going to
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: a pizza place and not eating pizza because I'm like,
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I need my protein and carbs, so I'm eating meatballs
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and pasta, and then finding out later on like, all right,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: that's not good. And just like overnight making all these changes.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: So I would say, from the age of seventeen to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: the age of about twenty one, I really like I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: locked everything in and then after that it was just
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: it was just fine tuning it became more than so
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: twenty one is like nineteen ninety nine from yeah, nineteen
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: ninety nine. For me, that's when I started paying attention
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: to like food quality and organic farming. And I'm reading
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: articles about how like you want to buy from here
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: because they don't use tractors and the wheel actually destroys
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: the stoil rather than the the hoof on the on
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: the horse's foot. You start reading all this stuff and
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: you're like, that makes sense, that makes sense. Oh, that's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: really easy to change. It's not a big deal for me.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: I could just buy my food here and that's one
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: check off the box. Or like the deodor and I'm
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: using like most of them are most of the healthy
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: stuff's discussing, but this one has aluminum and I like
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: this one, so let me just use that. Let me
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: use a water filter in my shower because I'm gonna
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: get all the toxins out of that, and let me
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: use like a better toothpaste. And you start like then
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you realize like, oh, well that's disgusting, because then I'm
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: starting to smell that when I go out like weird,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: just weird things. You just start figuring out and you
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: just start fine tuning, and you try and correct the
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: things in your life that are just really easy to manage. Yeah,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: and you leave the mistakes up for when you want
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: to just go out with your wife or a husband
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: on a Saturday night and barkrawl for once, like and
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: just be a human being and have a good time.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And for me, that's what it's about. I'm not one
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: of these people who are saying that for three hundred
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: and sixty five days, I'm perfect with all my stuff.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I could definitely let my hair down, and I definitely
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: know how to recover from that. And I definitely know
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: what needs to happen and how you can have your
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: cake you need it to, but live by some rules
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: and some laws. And I think if you follow kind
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: of what I'm doing, you can really I think develop
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: the energy, the vitality, the physique that you want, but
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: still not have to give up all those other things
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: You mentioned I have a few follow up questions now.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: First of all, you don't need egg whites anymore, no,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: it stopped.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my god. When you remove the yolk, you're removing
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: one of the most essential parts of the egg, and
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of the amino acids and for years
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: everyone's been relating cholesterol with a negative, negative negative. I
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: don't want the cholesterol, like my cholesterol is great, And
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times I think the increase
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: in cholesterol on specific people's diets are coming from other things.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: And cholesterol has also been shown to really improve hormones
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: in the body. So I think it's really on a
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: case by case basis. But you know, if you're going
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: to have a few eggs in the morning and you're
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: a little freaked out about it, like mix a yokre too,
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: you could throw it in there for flavor, you're still
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: going to get some really good, high quality amino acids.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, with like a like a large an extra
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: large brown egg, you're consuming about six grams of protein.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: So when you remove that yoke, you're removing a lot
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: of that protein, a lot of those amino acids that
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the body needs to rebuild, Like those muscles. When you're training,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: you're tearing microscopic fibers in those muscles, and how do
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: we repair that. How do we enable someone in a
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: stressful ironment to be able to come back day in
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: and day out. So when you start removing a lot
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: of that nutrition you know, the body is just not benefiting.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: It's just not it's not becoming optimal, and you're not
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: living the way that you potentially could live.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: My second follow up note from before would be that
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest hurdles to people making
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: some of the switches that you say are pretty easy,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: which they are in theory, is ultimately cost Yeah.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: I could have guessed that word. I could have pulled it.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: You got to ask yourself what do you want in life? Yea?
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: And the same people complaining about costs are the ones
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: you know. You hear these college kids who just graduated
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: and they're going to Brother Jimmy Street nights a week,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: and they're and they're buying pictures like if you I
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: don't look at you know, an organic apple call and
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: it caused costing X and a non organic apple costing y.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I look at the differential. So if you're going to
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: spend a couple extra bucks on buying something organic, all right, man,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Like cut back on one night of drinking, which you
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: should be doing anyway, and cut back on one night
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: of partying and you could still be social. But like,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: don't come and complain if you don't want to I'm
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: all in on. It's like, no, you're not like someone
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: who's all in on. This is going to take a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: much different approach if you're turning. A woman messaged me
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: the other day and she says, is drinking two bottles
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: of wine a week gonna hurt my fitness outcome? And
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: I said, yeah, it is if you're looking to improve
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: from where you are now, which I don't even know
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: where that is. But if you've been plateauing what you're
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: saying to me you are, and you're having two bottles
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: of wine a week, which is eight glasses of one
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: a week, is that going to hurt your fitness improvement?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: The answer is yes, And it was like a very
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: clean answer. And she writes back to me really like
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: she didn't want to hear it. I'm like, don't ask
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: me if you don't want to hear it, right, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: just like this is yes. It is like you'd be surprised,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: like if you start removing things. When I have a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: prep and I remove the little alcohol I drink, which
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: might be two to three drinks a week, and I
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: remove that for four weeks, like I've lost seventy pounds before, Right,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: That's how much water you pull into the body. Like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: that shows a lot on someone walking around with six
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: five six percent body fat all year long. You look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: substantially different. So for the average show out there that's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: going out there and having drinks three four nights a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: week and they're having two three cocktails, Yeah, you're affecting
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: your sleep quality. Your energy level is going to crap.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Your quartersol levels are getting thrown off, your growth throw
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: mone levels, your testops roone levels are all getting thrown
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: out of whack. And this will affect the fat burning process,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: This will affect vitality in general. But not everyone wants that.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Like if you should be able to go out and
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: have a couple of glasses of wine, you should be
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: able to go out and eat what you want once
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: a week. Like, that's the goal here. I don't want
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: people to live like, you know, the way I'm living.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I enjoy that. I want people to find what's going
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: to make them happy. That's been what I that's what
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: I do. It's like, all right, what works for you.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: So one of my actually really really quick because I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: don't want to keep rambling on, but one of my
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: buddies a few weeks ago comes to me, and he says,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: I want to see just it was the weirdest thing ever.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: He takes his shirt off. He's in his forty he's
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: like forty five, and he looks he looks pretty good.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, I just want to see the top two apps,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Like the top two apps? Where the hell did you
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: get that from? Like that's bizarre, because no, I just
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: want to get to the point where like they're visible.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Care about the Boto too, it's just the top two.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: What do I have to do? I'm like, we'll go
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: through you go through your diet. I'm like, how often
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: do you eat dessert? He's like, you know, I have
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I have a little dessert like four times a week.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: How off are you having a drink? I have a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: drink like once a night. And we kind of went
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: through some stuff like all right, just cut everything in half.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: He's like, what do you mean, like you want me
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: to eliminate. I'm like, no, no, just just just cut it
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: in half. Like let's get your like have two drinks
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: a week now and do dessert Like he'said, well, I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: can do desserts like once a week. I'm like, so
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: go do desserts once a week. I want it easy.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Let's take two weeks, Let's see if your body makes
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: any change, and keep training the way that you're training,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: and then let's make an adjustment from there. And he
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: literally came back in two weeks later. He took a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: shirt off and like his top two aves are becoming visible,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, see that. But I'm like, sometimes you
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: don't have to come in with this like chicken and rice,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: like approach with broccoli, and you don't have to dive
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: all in. Like sometimes it's just minimalistic approaches. Remove a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: little bit, take two weeks. I always like to say
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: two weeks because I could see some change in two
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: weeks and I could see if we're going on a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: good trend or not. And if you know, you lose
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: a pound or two and your energy levels still great,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: then great, we can push a little bit more. Maybe
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: we don't need any change. So that was the approach
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: I took with him. And he was like, all right,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: well now what I'm like, well, what do you mean now? What?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: You just hit your goal. He's like, well, let's do
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit more. And then we removed a little
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: bit more. But that's the approach rather me turning him
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: and say, all right, I want you to weigh out
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: tomorrow like eight ounces of this and four ounces of that,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. And the next thing you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm discouraging. I don't want to do that,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: and that's that's a big problem.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of crazy that you're this guy that
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: can help people get into such strategic, specific shape for
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: all of these different roles or life goals or whatever
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: the case may be.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's got to be a little overwhelming.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: No, it's actually it's fun. Yeah, it really is fun,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: and it becomes like a puzzle. Fortunately, most of the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: time you end up nailing it and you figure it out.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: And I think it's because you and your client or
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: the individual that you're helping can can establish an expectation
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: early on. I had some guy, actually I had I
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: work with like two online people. This this guy reaches
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: out to me today and he just started and he's like,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: oh my god, this last six seven days. I feel amazing.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like great, eating is great, trains great. We're kind
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: of doing a little rehab with his injury as well.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: We got him with a PT so this I'm like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: he's like, I feel great. I feel great. Oh my god,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I'm in such a good headspace. I'm not depressed any more. Awesome, awesome, awesome.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: It's been like six seven days. I'm like, great, We're
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: on a great try. He's like, but I'm getting frustrated.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not seeing the scale move. I'm like, listen, man,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, if you're gonna, I'm telling you, if you're
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: gonna live like this, if you're gonna give me that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: type of response and save save your money. Yeah, I'm like, like,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not the guy for you because I'm in the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: long term investments here. You want to come to me
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: and you're like, all right, I got two weeks to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: lose because of a movie thing. It's like, all right,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: we'll do the best that we can. But like, I'm
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: not a miracle worker here. I'm about making change in
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: individuals and making sure that they're able to hold on
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: and sustain those change for a lifetime, a lifetime of happiness.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: So when they decide to go off the rails a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: little bit or get back on, or maybe they never
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: do anymore, who knows, but they understand and they have
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: that ability to be able to take themselves back and
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: that's living, and that's living.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: You, as you're saying, have the opportunity to give a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: lot of people advice a lot of the time, what
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: would you say has been one of the best pieces
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: of advice that you have received?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Eved building your business in your career.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I think everything comes down to patients. You just can't rush,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, whether you're building a business, I mean,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: how the economy is going to go, you don't know
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: if you're going to be on hold to for the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: first show or whatever. It is, Like, you just have
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: to go in with it. You got to be yourself.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: You got to go in with the best effort possible,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: and you got to just it sounds so corny, but
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: you gotta just sit back and like have some faith
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: and just just leave it in the air and just
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: go about your day. And if you get that call
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: or if something great happens from it, awesome, and if not,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: just understand that you did your best and you can't
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: control every situation. So I think it really comes down
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: to patients. And you know, besides patients, like I said,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: surround yourself with a great team, be a great person,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: just be great to other people. And that's kind of
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: the rules rules I've always.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Looked by as we wind down here, The question that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I ask at the end of every hurdle is if
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you had an opportunity right now to offer yourself one
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: piece of advice, maybe it's when you're making that little
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: bit of a pivot at your gym, or you know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: through all some of the other challenges that you had,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: those hurdle moments that you had, you have the opportunity
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to give yourself one piece of advice right.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Now, looking back on it, what do you tell yourself?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: He laughs, I laugh, It's it's all gonna be okay. Yeah,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: you know, and it sounds it's just sounds. It sounds ridiculous.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: But you know, everyone, I mean people, I'm sure people
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: you've had on this podcast at a specific time have
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: thought that they're in the worst situation and like, oh god,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: like it's like no, like there's some people going through
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: some rough stuff out there. And if we're sitting on
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: or if you're listening to this podcast right now, like
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've hit some bad hurdles, but you're gonna
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: be okay because you've got the ability to actually sit
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  Speaker 3: here and absorb some information, You've got time in the day,
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  Speaker 3: and you've got your health where you can actually absorb
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  Speaker 3: this stuff and listen, like just relax, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: all right. Like like you know, unfortunately for you and I, like,
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  Speaker 3: you've got about fifty sixty years if we're lucky. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it. But that's what I'm saying. It's it's like,
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  Speaker 3: how do you like we just do the best that.
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  Speaker 2: We Yeah, do the best you can with what you have. Don,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for hanging out with me.
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  Speaker 3: It's great. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Don, where do they find you? Where do they find drive?
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  Speaker 2: Give me the lowdown?
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  Speaker 3: Cool? So I'm on Instagram and I pretty much respond
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  Speaker 1: Love it, I am at Emily Abodi. Another hurdle conquered.
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