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Rockefeller DESTROYED Birth in America. Are You Prepared When No One Is Coming? w/ Jessica Arno · Man in America Podcast

• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Houlhouse. Right now, The United States ranks fifty sixth in the world for birth outcomes. 56. Right?
• 0:28
  First world country. Right? There are literally third world countries where it's actually safer to have a baby than it is in America. And if you go look at the WHO's own data, and I know they're not my favorite people either, but their data is data. Ninety percent of the births don't actually need any medical intervention at all.
• 0:46
  It's ninety percent. So why are we handling one of the most sacred, natural events in human life? Why are we handing this over to a system that's gonna make $50,000 every time they cut you open, at a minimum. Like, it's not an accident. So if you look at the history, and my guests, they will walk you through this, and it blew my mind.
• 1:07
  The campaign to push midwives out and pull women into the hospital system goes all the way back to Rockefeller. Imagine that. There were actual wanted posters, like real wanted posters. She has unclean hands. Your baby will die.
• 1:20
  Come to the hospital. That was the pitch, and it worked. And here's what they took from us when they did that. They didn't just take the birth. They took the bond between a mother and her newborn.
• 1:30
  This spiritual experience of a family being knit together in those first few hours. They disrupted the hormones, the breastfeeding, the postpartum healing. And when you disrupt that, when you strip the sacred process out of birth and replace it with fluorescent lights and stirrups and some stranger with a clipboard, you get postpartum depression. You get formula instead of breast milk. You get a family that never fully bonded and never fully healed.
• 1:55
  Now, it's not to say that if you had a hospital birth, you can't have that, but it's for a lot of people, this is how it is. Right? And it's not care, it's control. And so my guest today has spent her career fighting that, not just fighting it, but teaching people how to take it back. So her name is Jessica Arno, and she goes by the name combat midwife.
• 2:14
  So Jessica is a certified professional midwife, she's a paramedic, and she holds a Department of Defense secret clearance. And she's personally trained over a 100,000 US Army combat medics, special forces medics, and air force pararescue jumpers, like a 100,000 people she's trained in the army. So her soldiers are the ones who actually gave her that name combat midwife. It just stuck because it fit. And for me, you know, as you may know, I'm a father.
• 2:40
  I've got two daughters, two and five, both were home births. And so this was a really kind of close to home conversation for me. And with my second daughter, as I'll get into it in the show, my wife's labor was so fast, the midwife didn't even make it in time. So it was just me with a speakerphone and my wife in a bathtub. And so, you know, I caught the baby, and it was actually it was one of those profound moments of my life.
• 3:03
  Like, was terrifying, and it was beautiful, and just kinda holy all at once. I felt the weight of it. And I also felt how completely underprepared I could have been if something had gone wrong. And so that's exactly the gap that Jessica is working to close. And so this is one of those conversations where I walked away feeling genuinely more prepared and knowing what to do, right?
• 3:24
  More equipped to protect my family. And that's what I want for you too. So if you get value from this conversation, please make sure you subscribe, hit that like button on YouTube, follow us on Rumble, and share this one. This is the kind of episode that really kind of changes your perspective and how you see things. So send it to a father or a husband, a family that's taking this preparedness seriously, or the wife, grandmother, whatever you think is best.
• 3:46
  The link to Jessica's website, Combat Midwife, is in the description. We've also she's got a promo code, MIA, if you wanna do any of her classes. We'll get into that. So this is my interview with the Combat Midwife, Jessica Arno. Jessica, it is such a pleasure to have you on the show, and I'm really looking forward to this discussion.
• 4:05
  So thank you for being here.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I've been excited to talk to you.
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: Good. Well, before we jump in, I want to thank our mutual friend, Billy Bond, because he's actually the person that he recommended you. So, thank you, Billy. Shout out to Billy with, a Perma Pastures. Great guy.
• 4:22
  So big thanks to him.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: Amazing. We have fostered a really great friendship. So I'm glad he connected us.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's good. So, you are known as the combat midwife, which is Yeah. Really, really cool to think about. I mean, if if I met a midwife at a cafe, I'd talk to her for three hours because, you know, we've had two different home births with our children, and I just I love the topic.
• 4:47
  And so but combat midwife is a whole other realm. So how about you give us your background, how you've taught over a 100,000 service members? Give us a little bit about yourself that kind of sets the tone for our discussion today.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: For sure. So I'm a paramedic and a midwife. I have been delivering babies in crazy cool out of hospital situations for a long time. I have a really awesome paramedic and EMS background. I actually started in EMS when I was in high school, so before I even graduated, I was an EMT and a firefighter.
• 5:23
  And so I've had some pretty cool experiences in my career field. And then we went to war. Know, nineeleven happened, we went to war and I got headhunted by the US Army who asked me to come in for an interview. And I have a rule. You never say no to an interview because you have no idea what you're going to be able to grace them with and you have no idea what you're going to be able to glean from them, even if the job isn't a good fit.
• 5:49
  So I went to the job interview. That was a Friday. I got hired that on the spot and I started on a Monday. And that is how I got my name, the combat midwife. So I was teaching combat medicine and I have been for years and I happened to be in midwifery school.
• 6:08
  So my bread and butter at the time was pediatric care, neonatal care, GYN, so non pregnant female care, and then maternity care. And I found that there was a humongous gap in military medicine regarding those entities of medical care. While The United States should toot its own horn when it comes to trauma care, orthopedics, cardiac, we don't actually have a really good track record for women's health and pediatric health. And so I was able to blend both modalities. And some people may be thinking, well, what does that even have to do with the military?
• 6:55
  But the military does a ton of missions throughout the year and historically when it comes to humanitarian missions, we also have a lot to do with the general population and missions really can't be completed without working intricately with people that live in that country, community, town. So when you think about doors being kicked in and we need interpreters in order to do that, your interpreter is not going to work for you and is not going to go on that mission when his wife and his baby back at home in the town is not cared for properly. So my soldiers need to know how to take care of women and children because it is what's best for the mission, but it's also good care in general about cultivating and building relationships long term and that is what will save units if you think about the big picture. So it is a very important part when we talk about military medicine. Yeah, so I didn't come up with that name.
• 8:06
  My soldiers started calling me that. It really stuck. Everybody in military medicine knows me as the combat midwife. Sure, they know my given name too, but they love calling me that. I'm smart, but I'm not that smart to come up with that cool name.
• 8:22
  I can't take any credit for it. They love calling me that and it has just become a business because not only was the military having a huge gap but where I started, which is EMS, also has a huge gap in that education. Most EMS professionals are getting less than 2% of their entire curriculum is women and children's education and medical care, and women and children live on this planet, so we need to be able to know how to take care of them. And then it really snowballed into could I, the general population, the lay person saying, can I just sit in the back of your classroom and glean from you? And no, that's a lot of federal laws being broken, so I can't have you in the back of the classroom, but what I can do is make a series of really awesome classes that can benefit not only the military medic and the EMS professional, and they can get CEUs for that, but it's also for the general everyday person who is really scared about the crazy world we live in.
• 9:30
  I don't know about you, Seth, but I wake up every day going, what the heck is gonna happen now?
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, almost a constant, right? It's like, okay, we got Ebola, we got oil shortages, we got this.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: Right, And I truly believe in my whole heart that it is my calling and my gift to be able to bestow upon other people how to care for the most vulnerable in crisis, which is women and children. We are the most vulnerable population on the planet when bad things happen, whether that's a natural disaster, war, famine, or just civil unrest that happens to be taking place in the town and the city that you live in. And so if I can give my gifts that God has given me to a family that can help them take care of the most important people in their life, right, because your wife and your children are the most important people to you. If I can help you learn how to take care of them in a crisis, I've done my job today.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Which is which is so important. And so I've got so many questions. And but before we get into the midwifery aspect of this, just looking at emergency medicine. So, I've had zero training, aside from maybe Boy Scouts or something, you know, CPR or whatever. Know very little of emergency medicine.
• 10:55
  And when I'm looking at my over my overall kind of preparedness and looking at, okay, how am I doing all these different areas? That's one thing. But even just looking at day to day, in terms of, you know, my two year old this morning fell off the trampoline. She was fine. It happens.
• 11:11
  Right? Or there's these things there's these accents, or what if they're choking, or what if, any number of things happens. And so, I guess, one kind of very basic question I have is, if I want to start on the journey of learning how to be able to respond with two emergencies, right, which I would do, you know, typically, you know, more EMS, right? Where would I start with that? Like, what would you recommend to me to start just with the basics from knowing nothing to knowing, okay, I now feel confident that I could maybe help set a broken bone if I need to, or, respond to, say, a really bad bleed or a head injury or any number of things that, you know, we live we have a little homestead.
• 11:56
  So these kinds of injuries are they happen. So what how would you kind of direct me on that path of learning?
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: That's overwhelming. Right? Because you're like, where do I even start? How many books do I need? Who can get me this information?
• 12:10
  And then you're also wanting to maximize your time and not waste your time and get poor information. And
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: so
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: I would say you need to hop on my website and definitely my courses because I would say that that's a phenomenal place to start. So I'm going to be launching pretty soon. We're going to have a really big launch. You're the first one to know about it of online classes for families asking for exactly what you just did, and that's going to be the nobody's coming class. So we're going to be launching a workshop that's going to help, and you can take it at your own pace in your pajamas on Sunday after church if you want to, and take it at your own pace and be able to learn how to take care of your family when either help is delayed or not coming for a plethora of reasons.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, and so that's, so on your site, under workshop, we assume this will be. Yep.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: It'll be Yeah, it'll be right there for sure.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. And so And that Is that something that's gonna walk me through, I guess, kind of How long is that? Are some of the core skills that we'll be addressing with that?
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: We're going to address exactly what you just said. So we'll cover things from, we'll start at the very beginning, you know, this is the human body and how it works and basics. You're not going to do a college level A and P course, of course, but you're going to feel comfortable with how things work in the body. We'll go through CPR, we'll go through choking, we'll go through basic injuries, the things that can cause problems and or kill people in a very short period of time before you can get to definitive care. You're not going to be a doctor at the end of this, right?
• 13:51
  This is really all about these are the things I should prep, these are the things I should keep, and I'm also going to be giving you allopathic and non allopathic ways of looking at it. So translating that into Western medicine and traditional ditch medicine. So this is the tincture you should have in your kitchen for X, Y, and Z. This is the homeopathic remedy you should have for a teething baby. This is how you should take care of a dehydrated two year old because God knows you've got kids, you know that they do that, right?
• 14:20
  They stop eating and drinking, they're sick, what do you do? How do you take care of that? And my whole goal is to keep you at home if that's possible and then also allow you to understand when do you actually need definitive care and then how to navigate that, right, because that's a whole another thing of that can be very scary, especially I'm assuming we're like minded, We don't necessarily trust the western modern industrialized.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Kind of putting it lightly, yes.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. But we also like the things that they sell when we need them.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Right? If if you're in a car accident or if I get if I have a gunshot wound, I wanna go straight to the ER. It doesn't matter if I don't trust the doctor for my vaccine schedule. Right? I I still want them to go stitch me up.
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• 16:28
  Speaker 2: There are times and places that we need to be using modern medicine, and we can be thankful that Jesus has us here at 2026, right? And that's great, and it's not 1826, and we have access to things like, you know, medications when we need them, and that's lovely, and I'm happy that that's available, but we also understand when we don't necessarily need them and when to stay out of their realm. There's a fine line between treating a UTI at home and whether or not, when you need to go in, right? People can die from a urinary tract infection, and so we need to know when that is. Your little girl or your little one that bounced off the trampoline today, they do that.
• 17:13
  Kids do that. It is pretty common for them to be covered in bumps and bruises from head to toe, and we want them to live that life of exploring their world, but at the same time, you know, things like her not walking straight, her not able to be her normal self, whatever that is, right, communicating with you appropriately or things like unable to see properly, slurring her words, sleeping a lot. Those would be things that unfortunately a lot of parents don't understand and would think, oh she has a headache, she hit her head, so I'm just going to let her sleep for the rest of the day. That may not be appropriate treatment plan for her at that age and what went on with her, right? So I want parents, family members, people that do disaster response, church missionaries going overseas and might be encountering taking care of individuals in a whole another world.
• 18:08
  So I want to glean from my knowledge and my background and my personal experiences of living and working in remote areas and being able to gift that to you guys.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And so, and this okay, so, and how soon is that coming out? Because I definitely want to do that.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're shooting for the fall. Obviously, you can tell this is a very chock full course, right? This is going to be very detailed, and so give us a little bit of time, but we're really shooting for the fall.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good, good, because that's been on my list, right? It's like, okay, really need to learn basic emergency medicine.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're gonna have all the fun resources to go with it. I don't know how you feel, but sometimes when I go to educational classes, I feel really great in the moment, but then when I walk out of the classroom, I'm like, if I could just see that again, or read that again, or maybe make some notes. So I want to send people away with with tangible items as well from that class, because we also need to realize we're getting this knowledge because help isn't available, which means tech may not be available. So while my video is super cool, right, I want them to also feel comfortable about going well I could at least flip through Jessica's words if I was unable to access online resources.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, That whole it's off grid information. Right? It's it's really that's why whenever I see a good book on anything to do with whether it's herbal medicine or, you know, when there's no dentist or, you know, those kinds of books, it's like I'm buying them, and I'm shoving them on my bookshelf, you know, Foxfire series. It's like because, you know, if if something goes wrong, those books could be a lifesaver.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. So I really want you to feel like you have all the resources that if you're in a ditch medicine situation, you feel comfortable. Do you want to do it? Probably not.
• 20:01
  Could, you know, most people want to go their whole life never needing to use any of that. And that's my goal for you too. But if you do find yourself in that situation, even just simple things like taking your kids hiking, good grief, taking kids hiking is like it's a stressful situation sometimes, right? Like, it's a little bit intense. Please stop walking close to that, right?
• 20:24
  Don't touch that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Poison ivy, no no no, poison ivy
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: three leaves. Right, exactly. So if we can actually avoid that, that's awesome, but it's not always avoidable and so being able to know what to put in your car, know what to put in your backpack, know what to put in your preps in your prep closet or your pantry or whatever you're doing, that peace of mind is priceless.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And so, okay, so looking at midwifery, before we get into the, I guess, kind of preparedness combat high stress, like, okay, what happens if we're in a grid down situation, your wife is eight months pregnant, right? You can't just call the ambulance when she starts going into labor. So we'll get into some of those things, but before we do, I wanna look at just the overarching, kinda idea of midwifery and home births versus The US medical system. So, you know, we have my wife and I have two children, a five year old and a two year old, both girls, and we both they're both home births.
• 21:30
  And so, I remember my wife, when we fell pregnant, she was, you know, saying, hey, I wanna have a home birth. And I said, I was like, Oh, okay, I'm open to it. I'll do some research. You know, I trusted her. It was, I remember it was so shocking to me, actually realizing that in a lot of ways, you're much safer having a home birth than a hospital birth in terms of the mother's health, the baby's health.
• 21:54
  And I'm sure you have a lot of data on that, but that was the first thing. Think there's a lot of stigmas too, for a lot of people that, like, they don't trust the medical system, but they would never, you know, never even think about having a home birth. It's like, that's something that's like, I'm not gonna mess with that. Distrust the doctors. And you have this idea that America must be, like, one of the top countries for birthing.
• 22:15
  But how so tell us kind of dispel some of these illusions that we have. Tell us the truth about what the medical system, birthing, whatever you wanna start with.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So The United States ranks fifty sixth in the world regarding outcomes for mother and baby. So what that means is mortality and morbidity. So mortality is death, did they die? And then morbidity is, was there a long term injury sustained, something permanent?
• 22:48
  So mortality and morbidity, and then when I give you these numbers, we're looking at the first year. If you've taken a CPR class before, you've probably noticed that they say something kind of silly and they go blank amount of people get saved when you use CPR, but then there's the fine print underneath that and it goes only thirty three percent left the hospital. So we need to understand when we're looking at statistics, we need to understand what statistic are they giving us. And so when I'm giving you these numbers, what I'm telling you is they survived the first year. So we rank 56, The United States, which means there are 55 other countries that have better outcomes than we do here in The United States, and I mean outcomes in the first year postpartum.
• 23:34
  So that's pretty shocking than most of those countries that are on that list, right, because there's only 100 and something countries in the world, And so when we look at those numbers, that means that a lot of those countries are going to be what the World Health Organization, Amnesty International, etc. Those alphabet soup agencies would be considered as third world countries. So that means that there are it's safer to have babies in in what we would consider third world countries.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: That's So that America and even that right there alone, that actually America ranks behind a lot of third world countries in terms of the health of baby Right. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And if anyone is is is savvy on statistics that is listening to this, you should also know that we're not we're not just looking at population because that's not a proper statistic. Okay, that will skew numbers because obviously India has way more people than The United States. So if you're only going off of numbers, that would not be a proper statistic. So just we're looking at the overall data and the overall outcomes. We're looking at percentages.
• 24:46
  If you go to the World Health Organization, and I understand we probably agree on them, they're not my favorite people either. The reason I'm using them in this data is because they have decade upon decade upon decade of data regarding birth outcomes. So we need to look at the numbers. If you go to the World Health Organization, you go to maternity, scroll to the bottom, they have a map of the world and you can hover over it and they change their website often, so if you're doing this right now, it looks like you are, you may struggle, but I'll walk you through it if we can do it together, but you can look at their map essentially, and you can look at where each country ranks. And they may also have like a diff maybe they're I don't know what graph they're using, but the last time I was on there, that's what they were using.
• 25:37
  So you can look at decade upon decade
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, here it is right here.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You go. Perfect. They are still using it. So you can look at where we're struggling with outcomes. The United States also ranks tenth out of the top 10 industrialized nations.
• 25:57
  So who's on the top 10 industrialized nation list? That's going to be The UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, a lot of the like Finland, Norway, right, countries, European lot countries are going to be on the top 10 industrialized nations and The United States ranks less. That means you have better outcomes for birth in Canada or Australia or The UK, and so anyone who loves statistics would be instantaneously asking, well, why? What are they doing different than The United States? And that's very easy.
• 26:36
  All of those people are seeing midwives first and getting their care primarily from a midwife before they ever see an OBGYN. So OBGYN is a surgeon. So if you're going to a surgeon, let's reverse this. If you had an issue with your head and you needed to have surgery on your head because let's just say there was a tumor, right? You would want a surgeon to remove the tumor, but let's pretend you didn't want to do that methodology for your treatment, you would prefer to go a more natural route.
• 27:17
  Would you go to a surgeon and then have them guide you through how to do the natural route? No, you would not. That's not what they sell there. That's like going to McDonald's and asking for a steak. They don't sell that there.
• 27:35
  So what we're doing is we're taking women who want normal physiological birth, and we're putting them in an institution that sells surgeries. It doesn't add up. So we also have to look at birth as a normal physiological process, meaning women have the capability of giving birth automatically. It's only when something arises that is out of the ordinary where we need something that the surgeon is selling and that is very rare. So if you go back to the World Health Organization data and you look at what they're saying and you read the fine print, they say that ninety percent of birth is uneventful.
• 28:19
  So what does that mean? That means that ninety percent of the time we do not need any assistance with birth, as in baby can be born in the rice paddy and mama can go back to picking rice. I don't recommend that, that's really bad postpartum care, please don't do that to your women. However, what I'm saying is that 90% of the time, we do not need what the hospital is selling, and out of that 10%, less than that 10%, it fluctuates between five and seven, do we actually need a cesarean? That means there's a three to five percent of we just need something else that they sell, maybe Pitocin or maybe assisted delivery or maybe pain management or something along those lines.
• 29:05
  That's a very small percentage individuals that need assistance, right?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so I'll put out here, this map is really fascinating. So this is showing, is back, this is from, 2023, and it's showing the maternal mortality ratio per 100,000 rates, right? So looking at, sorry, per 100,000 live births. So this is okay. I I assume this is basically how many mothers die during birth per 100,000 live births.
• 29:35
  And it's kinda wild. So you look at okay. Let's look at, say, in the in you know, the the DRC, Congo. Over over four hundred, right? That's a bad number, right?
• 29:45
  Over four hundred are dying. But then you look at United States, it's like it was seventeen. Okay. We even look at over at Iran is sixteen. So, actually, a mother has a higher chance of surviving birth in a hospital in Iran than United States, which
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: is Midwives. Kind of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Or Romania, which is 12. Right? You look at you think might think, oh, seventeen's not that bad. Well, yeah, Australia's 2.3. You know, Sweden is four.
• 30:15
  You know, Russia is 9.4. So Russia is almost double the health of mother than America. I mean, even China is better, 16. So for all the people that think, oh, America is just, you know, we're the best, we're the number one, this is shocking, to people that especially that this is their first time hearing it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Right. And when you think about how many babies are born per year, it it sounds like only seventeen women are dying. Right? If we're just because if you if you read that and you don't understand statistics, you're going, oh, just seventeen. But no, there's not 100,000 births in the year.
• 30:53
  There's multiple hundreds of thousands of births every year, which means it and it wouldn't even matter if it was only 17 women because now we're going those 17 women belong to families. There's someone's wife, mother, daughter, auntie. They when when we lose a woman in a family unit, there's a huge shift. Right? There's a lot of of things that are no longer going to get done.
• 31:19
  There are a lot of things that change in a family dynamic when we lose a woman, so that's huge, right? Children no longer have a parent that's a primary caregiver, right? There's a lot of things that happen in a family when we lose a mama. Our mama's going to die during birth? Yes.
• 31:37
  Our baby's going to die during birth. Yes. The act of dying is a part of being alive, right? We live in a fallen world, so that is absolutely part of being alive is dying, and we're not guaranteed how many days we get on this planet. So we have to also look at that from that lens as well, but we want to minimize that as much as we can, and we have countries that are doing things completely different than us and having way better outcomes, and it is midwives, and that is understanding what that word means, and that is women caring for women.
• 32:16
  We know how our body works. We know what is normal. We went to school for a really long time to know how to care for women and provide support for normal physiological health, physiological birth, pardon me. You don't need help going to the bathroom in the morning. Each one of us wake up, we go to the bathroom, we pee, we don't need any assistance.
• 32:38
  Are there people on this planet that need assistance to do that? Yes, but that is very far and few between. However, if you and I woke up in the morning and there was an entire group of people in my bathroom that I don't know, I've never met before, bright lights, my legs thrown up in stirrups, there's no way I could pee. I can't perform under that type of pressure. Why are we doing that to women?
• 33:05
  Are we putting them in that situation?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, you know, because I remember when, you know, I was kind of studying this and going through the process with my wife, you know, again, through two different births, that one of the big things that I learned was that a woman's level of oxytocin is directly related to her ability to loose up and give birth. So, that oxytocin comes from me massaging her, us playing peaceful music, you know, creating those that environment where she feels really safe versus like you mentioned, if you're sitting in this sterile white hospital room with bright fluorescent lights with multiple people that all have masks on, by the way, and some male doctor. Right? Any normal woman is going to feel some level of stress with, you know, spike in cortisol, whatever it is. If she's spread open, and there's some strange guy that's there looking at her with a clipboard.
• 34:01
  I mean, it's it's like no wonder that that so often they're doing cesareans or, you know, talk to a friend, oh, wait a thirty six hour labor. Oh, I had a twenty four hour labor, the baby wasn't coming, they did a cesarean. It's like, they're not looking, from what I'm seeing it, it's, I guess you could say it's planned this way, that it's like almost as if they're intentionally trying to make it as difficult as possible. That way, they can sell their cesareans, they can sell their Pitocin. I mean, does that, what do you think about that?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Let's look at this from a business perspective, and we both run businesses here, so numbers are important to us, outcomes are important to us, time is money. It takes thirty minutes open to close to do a cesarean. Average labor is twelve to twenty four hours for the first birth. That's, I said average, so you mamas out there that rocked it longer, that's an average, and you're a rock star and you deserve everything. But that right there, what do you wanna sell more of?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And also what's the cost of each, right? Like what is, because I mean, what's the average cost of a cesarean?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Just to walk in the door. So I didn't talk about anesthesiologists, I didn't talk about NICU team, I didn't talk about pediatrician because you have to have one of those. I didn't talk about anything else, the nursing staff, just to walk in the door, it's $50, just to walk in the door to the surgical suite, okay? So birth in America is a multifaceted cash cow. The top, are you familiar with ICD-ten codes?
• 35:42
  It's the codes we use in order to bill. So when an insurance company bills for a procedure, you have to have a code associated with it. Every procedure has a code associated with it. So whether you got like a COVID test, a strep throat test.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: IV, right? An
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: IV, an arm set. Every item has a code associated with it. The top 10 ICD-ten codes in The United States that are billed for our women's healthcare related. Top 10. Top 10.
• 36:20
  So that's everything from breast exams, pap smears, which please don't get those things, they're toxic, please stay away from that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Or mammograms, don't do those.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Mammograms, all the things, right? Like all the thing, but birth is like the first five or seven. They're just cash cowing us, and so it has a lot to do with where, how we got to this point. And that is one hundred and twenty plus years ago, Rockefeller said, Hey, we're only making money off of dudes right now. We're only having dudes come into the hospital.
• 37:00
  And we got these weird ladies running around with bags and a bunch of witchy potions in their bags delivering all these babies. And there was a huge shift from the Victorian times to the Edwardian times. And if you know your history, you know that there was a huge shift regarding modesty change. There was a big modesty change that took place. And a lot of that comes from the Rockefellers and the industrialization of the medical system.
• 37:28
  There are wanted posters. Seth, look this up. Wanted poster midwife, 1900s, and you will see wanted posters for midwives. She's ugly. She has unclean hands.
• 37:41
  She's not sterile, your baby will die. I have to start saving these because I'm afraid that the powers that be are going to start erasing these from the internet, but you can see this is an awful, ugly, old Irish woman. Don't let her deliver your baby. You and your baby will die. Come to the hospital where it's white and there's tile and we can sterilize everything and we can take care of the baby for you after your baby's born and we can give you twilight sleep and you won't bond with your baby and your milk won't come in and you won't be able to, this is not just birth and women's healthcare, like this isn't just me going off on women need to have women rights.
• 38:25
  Yes, that's a huge part of it, but this is the breakdown of the family. When you do not bond with your baby, your family falls apart. When You cannot have the continuation of mom, dad, babies, siblings, grandparents, and a community if the mom isn't bonding with that baby. So if we sterilize birth and we take away the birth process, which I truly believe is the closest we will ever be to heaven on this planet, is the veil between the spiritual world and the physical world is so thin during birth. It is just beautiful and I don't even have enough words on the English planet to explain how gorgeous it is, but you get it because you were there.
• 39:15
  It's magical and when we strip that away and we take the spiritual element of human beings away from birth, we're now just these entities on a ball, right? Spinning through a universe that means nothing, right, because that's what they want us to believe. It's nothingness out there. Exactly. But when we look at what the essence of God created the family, which is, you know, we're supposed to be a representation of him and what he wants for the family.
• 39:48
  When we strip all that away, we now have postpartum depression, we have we have women that aren't being taken care of properly, we have women that can't breastfeed properly and it's all the disruption of the hormones, the disruption of the family, and we, it's all intentional.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it really is, if you look at, again, just everything that I've learned through this experience, you know, when we did these home births, that, you you never just cut the cord. You you let the you let the placenta fully drain. Right? That's for one. You don't then you don't we we refuse the heel pricks, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 40:25
  Right? No. There's no way. But also, then it's instant skin to skin, right? And so the first, like, first night, of of the birth, we're at home.
• 40:35
  And and and the baby, you know, my baby June was our first one, she's sleeping on my wife's chest, and and that's just and she's nursing, and there's that process, you look at the hospital, and we'll see, you know, occasionally, like a TV show, you'll see it showing this or whatever, and it's like the baby's born, the nurse takes it, they they wash it. Right? They wash it, they cut the they cut the cord instantly, and then the baby gets put in this these little incubator thing, not incubators, they get put in these little kind of trays with a room full of screaming babies. So it's like, it's the exact opposite of what should be done. And then you get into, not to mention cesarean, you know, whatever, but then you also get into how these babies, a lot of them, the moms are back to work.
• 41:19
  The moms, a week later, are back on their feet going shopping. There's no you know, we we read this book called The First Forty Days, written by it was kind of the Chinese perspective. And so we gave, you know, my wife forty days of that, like, really dedicated of course, after that as well, but like, okay, the first week, you're not leaving the bed. The first two weeks, you're not leaving the floor of the house that you're on. Right?
• 41:42
  We're doing bone broths. We're doing all kinds of stuff like that. But then, also, then these babies with a lot of them within a couple of months, they're being fed with formula, which is just, like, horrible what's in the formula for them. Not to mention that, like, you know, our two year old, she's still nursing. It's just, okay, that's just how it is.
• 42:02
  It's kind of funny seeing a two year old because now she talks and she'll go, Milky, Milky, and then she'll nurse and she'll go, Other one, right? Other one. And so it's just really kind of funny. But, like, the health of like, it's there's so many ways that this modern system has just severed that connection.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very sad. It hurts my heart. I want so much more for women. I want so much more for babies and I really want so much more for dads.
• 42:32
  Right? Like, I I want I want men to feel like they've transitioned into fatherhood, into protective role. I want them to be a part of it. Everybody thinks that I catch babies all the time because I'm a midwife. I don't remember the last time I caught a baby.
• 42:50
  You want to know why? Because daddies and mommies are catching their own babies. If people think I hold babies all the time, I have no idea the last time I held a baby, none whatsoever because that's not my child, that's your baby. You need to be skin to skin with that baby. That baby needs to know you and know that you didn't put them in a plastic box on the other side of the room to cry it out and stop being manipulative.
• 43:17
  What is that crap? Babies are not manipulative. They are not evil creatures. They are at a stage of development that is less than us that deserves care, protection, and nurturing.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And even looking at, the So, like I said, with my second daughter, Grace, it was born about two a little over two years ago, my wife's labor was about forty five minutes. Like, was a very and fast the midwife couldn't even get there in time. And so, you know, we were in the bathroom, and we had, I had the middle of it on speakerphone, and so, you know, my wife, she got in the bathtub, she was in the bathtub, and the midwife was driving, she lived about a half hour away, and she, she didn't expect it to happen so soon. Actually, I I caught the baby before she even arrived.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, was real. Was kind of a well, I guess, you you don't you don't think it's scary in the moment because you're so focused, and there's so much adrenaline, and you're you're so tuned into it. But it was one of the most just beautiful experiences that I've ever had, especially in bonding with my wife and this new daughter that I have. And so, was just this incredible experience of just, like, as a man to do that. It was just like, wow, it really like, it's hard to even describe what that experience was like, because you mentioned the veil between us and the Divine is very thin.
• 44:51
  And that's, it's like, it's this co creation with God. That's how it feels, right? You're bringing one of his souls into this world, it's just, it's magnificent.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: You see, you're right? Because there's not enough words in the English language to even describe it. You have to be in the room or have been the laboring mom or have been the dad or the midwife, right? The protector of the birth space to even understand. It's so magical.
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• 46:53
  All the links and information are in the description below. Looking at more of the the combat aspect of this, right? So, a lot of the the watchers of the show, yourself, obviously, Billy Bonn, you know, myself, our family, we're we're very preparedness oriented. It's not about living in fear, but it's about living with a just a sober recognition of how fragile our world is and how a few small events could cut off power for a month, or any of these things that could really disrupt what we find to be so easy and convenient. And so as part of that preparedness, it's this mentality of, okay, how do I pre think all the needs I might have in case I'm in a situation where I lose access to the doctor, to the grocery store, etc?
• 47:42
  That's kind of basic, or what the power goes off, you're pre thinking that. But, you know, even looking at the midwifery, it's like, if so my wife's not pregnant right now, maybe she will be, hopefully we have another one coming. But I'm thinking, so what happens if in six months there's an EMP attack, and my wife is five months pregnant? You know, thinking about what do I do? And so that's why I think it's really important to have a lot of this understanding.
• 48:10
  And so, when you're looking, if someone wants to understand, okay, if I say the mother of the woman who's pregnant, right, or the aunt or whatever, if that person, or even the father, right, if that person needs to be able to step in to help and to play the role of the midwife, what does that process look like? Where do they start?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: They need to come to my combat midwife course.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: No, I guess that's it, right, you caught, let me pull it back up again.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you need to come to that course. This course is a mashup of every class I've ever taught the military, so there's very particular lessons they have to learn. I created most of these, they're implemented to this day. I took all of that and then I took my real world experience. Like I've worked in an Afghan refugee camp.
• 49:00
  We didn't have any running water. We had intermittent electricity at best. I couldn't wash my hands in between patients. My nurse was pouring water from water bottles on my hands as I'm squirting soap. Like I understand what it's like to be in the thick of it, right?
• 49:18
  Like I totally get it. And so for me, I've put this class together specifically for anybody who wants to understand. I would prefer men take this class because while women are traditionally put into the home care medicine realm instantaneously in the proper space. She is the patient, right? She's the one that's delivering the baby.
• 49:46
  So you as the daddy or someone who's going to be the medical preparedness person for a community, right? Like that person needs to know how to do these things. So we start off with this is what a woman's body is and this is how it works and we go all the way through you have a baby in the first year who's not nursing or you found a mom and a baby, the mom has passed away, what do you do with this infant? Or you had a baby left at the front door because if you have PrEP's, people know that. I don't care how secretive you are about it, They're gonna know that you have resources for their child.
• 50:27
  Did you know that during World War II, there was an entire organization that had to be created during the Blitz because so many babies were being left on church doorsteps. Wow. You think those mamas wanted to leave their babies? Heck no, they didn't. They loved those children more than anything in the world, but they knew they weren't going to make it.
• 50:46
  They knew that there was no more food. They knew another bomb was going to hit their house. They knew they had no more resources. Think about the image that should be forever drilled in our brain of the moms throwing their babies over the wire when Afghanistan fell. Do you think those women wanted to hug their babies to a 22 year old marine who knew nothing about babies?
• 51:09
  No. She knew she was gonna die that day, and any parent who loves their child, right, any parent is gonna say, I will die so you can live. Any parent would say that. So those mamas were so desperate that they would just sacrifice themselves for their babies to live, and that's the world we could live in if something bad happened here, and we are not guaranteed tomorrow. It's fine right now.
• 51:40
  You and I can go to Walmart later today and get fishing supplies and band aids and whatever the heck we want, but we are not guaranteed supply chains. We learned that already during 2020. We are not guaranteed food. We've been seeing that problem constantly. What is gas now?
• 51:57
  It's like $5 where I live, okay? It's insane. We are not guaranteed resources, and so being able to prepare now, get this education, store it on the shelf, I hope to God you never have to use it, I hope that I never want this for someone, but I want people to know how to take care of the most important people in their life, which is that's your wife and your baby. Those your life will never be the same without them.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: No. No. I mean, like, I would throw my I would die fighting off a bear, if that's what it took. Right? It's just that's that's that's how God made us.
• 52:36
  Right? There's a reason why there's a husband and a wife, and we've we have different roles. And it's also the reason why the wife will sacrifice herself for her child. Right? In a different way than the father would sacrifice himself for the child.
• 52:49
  It's a different relationship. But it's, it's, yeah, I mean, that's, that's just how God made us. And I think the people that aren't like that, there's something wrong. But it's just like that's how we're that's how we're supposed to be. And and so Yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Biology is weird. It's it's real.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Biology is real. Right? Yeah. Biologically different. Yes.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But so with your with your workshop, is this something that can be done remotely or is it something that is just done in person?
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: So there are two options. Right now, the options are to do it in an in person class. The reason I love the in person classes because the first half of the class is all of the fun didactic slideshow stuff right but the second half of the class is using the mannequins and learning all of the hands on skill. Again, the fall will be when we're dropping, I am hoping for a little bit sooner, but we'll be dropping the online classes because I want everyone to have access to this and I do understand not everybody can jump in a plane or a car and come do it. So we will be offering this course, all of my courses will be available online very shortly, so just hang tight with me a little bit longer, but the benefit of doing the in person class is actually physically touching the mannequins, knowing what bleeding looks like, understanding how to deliver a breech baby, how to get a cord from around the neck, know, are skills that are a little bit difficult, not impossible, but a little harder to learn via, you know, a video on the screen, and so if you have the ability and, you know, the time, it would be really beneficial for you to come hang out with me for eight hours because that's how long we spend time together.
• 54:39
  It's just a one day class, and again, I take you through, this is what a menstrual cycle is and this is how the mom's body works, sexual assault. This is how you take care of a UTI. This is what you do for yeast infection. This is how you take care of a teen that started her period and the grid is down. This is how you deal with, you know, basic labor.
• 55:03
  We look at normal labor, then we look at problems, so breech birth, we look at shoulder dystocia, we look at cord around the neck, this is how you deliver a placenta. What else are we doing? We do a lot of things in there, but I'm teaching the Western medicine stuff, but I'm also teaching what what I would call ditch medicine. So, you know, I'm giving you all of my recipes to make tinctures at home when you leave. I'm I'm teaching you what things you need to be prepping for that are more of a natural homeopathic remedy treatment plan.
• 55:40
  So you're getting both modalities so you as a family can decide what is best for you because everybody's choices should be accommodated, and so I'm allowing you guys to decide what you think is best for your family, your situation, your resources, so I'm giving you both modalities and then you can decide what is best for you.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. And so, I think, also, I think we have a discount, which is MIA, is that correct? People sign up for anything on here. Okay. So For the workshops.
• 56:15
  Okay. Perfect. For the workshops. Okay. So, yeah, this is great.
• 56:20
  I would love to I'm not sure if I'll be able to in June, but, I'd love to be able to attend one of these. Though I've learned a lot through being part of the birth process a couple times, and I'm I'm the kind I'm like the husband who's sitting there asking the midwife, hey, why is that happening? Like, can I listen to that? Like, what's that thing doing? So I've learned a lot, but but it's it's really, really helpful.
• 56:42
  And so, yeah. So I'll make sure the link is in the description. And, yeah, I I look forward to talking to you more. Hopefully, we meet in person at some point, and I'm sure that we'll have some sort of crossover. And we also we have our ARC community that's launching soon, so I'd love to talk to you about that as well.
• 56:58
  Because we're building an an an online looks like it's like a private social media platform for people that think and view the world like the way that we do, to help kind of Yeah. Unite with So that's something we're gonna have training options on there. We're gonna have the ARC Academy. We're gonna have live Q and As. It's gonna be a whole host of things.
• 57:16
  I'd love to talk to more about that once we get that up I'm and
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: sold.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Great. Well, thank you so much for giving us your time. It's a pleasure meeting with you. And again, thanks, big thanks to Billy Bon for the introduction as well.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: All right. Well, take care and God bless you.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: God bless you too.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Bye bye.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Bye bye.