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Being Right Requires Crash And Rebuild The Wright Brothers From Brad Meltzer · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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Speaker 2: Hey, brother. How you doing?
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Speaker 1: Doing very well. This is kismet to have you being
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on now. Brad, he doesn't know that
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Speaker 1: on a big part of this journey.
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Speaker 2: No, listen, I appreciate it. We are very lucky to
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Speaker 2: have friends like you who look out for us. And it's,
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Speaker 2: you know, the fact that you still read it and
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Speaker 2: you're on it means the world to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, dude? This is the kind of
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Speaker 1: book I wanted when I was a kid in school.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I was going to ask you about that.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that Mrs. Knight and Mrs. Restad
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Speaker 1: used to have, they used to have these gigantic boxes
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Speaker 1: of books that were all in a collection. This being
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Speaker 1: your 40th book, are you going to do that where
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Speaker 1: every one of them are going to be in one
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Speaker 1: big box?
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Speaker 2: I wish we had one big box. You can buy
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Speaker 2: a full set. Um, and they all come, but they're
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Speaker 2: not in a box, but I know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 2: I want that. My goal is to do a hundred
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Speaker 2: books and we get to a hundred. I want a
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Speaker 2: hundred giant box. Maybe we'll do it for 50. Maybe
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Speaker 2: for 50, we should do like a giant box for 50.
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Speaker 1: I'd be all over that because, because that's the power
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Speaker 1: of selection or the power of choice. And I'm all
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Speaker 1: over the power of choice, especially for young readers, because
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Speaker 1: if they learn the power of choice, then they, they,
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Speaker 1: they too can become writers or storytellers and they can
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Speaker 1: share that journey forward.
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Speaker 2: I agree. I think that for me, this has never
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Speaker 2: been me writing books. You know me long enough to
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Speaker 2: know it's been a mission to give kids better heroes
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Speaker 2: to look up to. And right now we're in this
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Speaker 2: age of anger. Right now we're in this age of
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Speaker 2: fighting with each other and screaming.
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Speaker 1: At each other.
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Speaker 2: This age of division. And I refuse to accept. inspiration.
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Speaker 2: And for the 40th book in the series, we asked,
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Speaker 2: we let America vote. We said, pick who you want.
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Speaker 2: And instead of picking someone famous, they picked the Wright brothers,
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Speaker 2: two brothers from the middle of the country who use
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Speaker 2: teamwork and ingenuity and perseverance. These values endure, even if
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Speaker 2: our leaders are lacking them. So believe it or not,
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Speaker 2: we still have shared values in this country and it's
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Speaker 2: time to use our own ingenuity. And our own sense
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Speaker 2: of connection to show kids a better world. That's what
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Speaker 2: the mission for these books has always been.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my God. When you when I found out you
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Speaker 1: were doing the Wright brothers, of course, that hit me
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Speaker 1: hard because I'm right here in Carolina and I have
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Speaker 1: been at Kitty Hawk. Did you go there? And if
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Speaker 1: you did, there were every time I've been there, there's
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Speaker 1: always been deer out there at the front gate. And
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Speaker 1: I'm going, are they planting those deer or do the
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Speaker 1: deer want flight as well?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, everyone wants to fly. Who doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to fly brother?
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Speaker 1: But, but it's such a place. And you know, and
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Speaker 1: the thing about it is though, is that you do
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Speaker 1: this in the book where I feel like I am
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Speaker 1: right there because I've been there. I know that what,
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Speaker 1: what that feeling's like. So when I open those pages,
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Speaker 1: I'm going, Oh my God, it's like, he's right there.
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Speaker 1: And he did all the sketching and the illustrating right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's what, you know, Chris, our artist, has
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Speaker 2: this great art style that's like Charlie Brown meets Calvin
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Speaker 2: and Hobbes. And that's why kids love the books. But
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Speaker 2: the parents love the books because, you know, he goes
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Speaker 2: and he looks and he sees and he has details
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Speaker 2: nobody else has. It is like you're right there. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, this book has my favorite story. I've talked
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Speaker 2: to you a lot, but it's my favorite story of
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Speaker 2: every hero we've ever done is this one story about
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Speaker 2: the Wright brothers. that every time the Wright brothers would
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Speaker 2: go out to fly their plane, they would bring enough
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Speaker 2: extra materials for multiple crashes. Which means every time they
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Speaker 2: went out, they knew they would fail. And they would
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Speaker 2: crash and rebuild and crash and rebuild, and that's why
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Speaker 2: they took off. And I love that story, man. I
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Speaker 2: wanted my kids to hear that story. I wanted my
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Speaker 2: son to hear the story, my daughter to hear the story.
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Speaker 2: I want everyone to know you dream big, you work hard,
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Speaker 2: you have a good side order of stubbornness. You can
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Speaker 2: do anything in this world. And I said, that's the
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Speaker 2: book I want to write. Not a book of rules,
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Speaker 2: but a book of heroes. And these hero books have
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Speaker 2: all kind of blown up out of that belief that
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Speaker 2: I could change the world through writing these stories.
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Speaker 1: See, and that's the way a lot of young adults are.
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Speaker 1: They'll come up to me and they go, oh, I
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Speaker 1: tried and I quit. Why'd you quit? Well, it didn't
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Speaker 1: go the way I wanted to. Do it again. Do
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Speaker 1: it again. Get back up again. And they think that
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Speaker 1: I'm the weird old man. I'm going, I'm not the
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Speaker 1: weird old man. I'm somebody who believes in your chance taking.
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Speaker 1: And if you if you stop now, someone else is
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Speaker 1: going to do it. You're going to go. I did that. No,
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Speaker 1: you didn't. You don't have the proof. You quit.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing is I always say, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's really hard to change the minds of adults. But
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Speaker 2: for over a decade now, I've been working to arm
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Speaker 2: the next generation of kids with lessons of kindness and
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Speaker 2: compassion and being a good person. And brother, I'll take
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Speaker 2: that fight any day. That's what the I Am books
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Speaker 2: are about. That's what I Am Rosa Parks is about.
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Speaker 2: I Am Muhammad Ali is about. I Am Dolly Parton
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Speaker 2: is about. We are going to give your kids the
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Speaker 2: best lessons. And like you said, your kids are going
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Speaker 2: to pick heroes whether you like it or not. You
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Speaker 2: might as well have some say in it.
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Speaker 1: So now I got to be honest with you. Reading
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Speaker 1: the story with the Wright brothers right away, I was
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Speaker 1: taken to the to the story of Tom Schultz of
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Speaker 1: the group Boston, that it was only him in that studio.
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Speaker 1: So when you talk about how these people brought things together,
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Speaker 1: I am and I built upon that. and I change
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Speaker 1: people's lives. Is music going to be a part of
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Speaker 1: that in the way of like a Tom Scholz of Boston,
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Speaker 1: in the way that there were no electronics built. He
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Speaker 1: built them and then created the band.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love those stories. I told my publisher
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Speaker 2: at the time when we started the series that they
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Speaker 2: were like, oh, cute, you want to do two books.
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Speaker 2: I'm Amelia Earhart and I'm Abraham Lincoln. I'm like, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: I want to do 100 books. So yeah, I'd love
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Speaker 2: to do that. I want to do Grandmaster Flash and
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Speaker 2: how he figured out– literally using bicycle– and the things
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Speaker 2: on bicycles, the spokes on them to figure out how
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Speaker 2: a turntable goes to do a mixing board. Like that's
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Speaker 2: a trial and error in science he was doing in Brooklyn,
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Speaker 2: New York back in the 70s. Like I want to
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Speaker 2: do everyone. We did We Are The Beatles, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want to do all, we did I'm Dolly Parton.
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Speaker 2: Like I love how music changes the world too. So
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Speaker 2: I want to do David Bowie. I want to do Prince.
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Speaker 2: There's so many amazing people I want to do.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that you'll always do with
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Speaker 1: your books, and this is what I encourage adults, pick
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Speaker 1: up the book and be a kid again and also
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Speaker 1: be your adult self. Because I didn't know that the
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Speaker 1: Wright brothers were inspired by a helicopter. It was a toy.
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Speaker 1: And it's like, I want that toy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, let's talk about that a moment. The
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Speaker 2: Wright brothers are 11 years old and seven years old.
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Speaker 2: They're kids. And their dad comes home with a present.
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Speaker 2: He says, boys, look what I got. And out of
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Speaker 2: his hand, he throws this thing in the air. And
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Speaker 2: it's what they call a helicopter. It really was a
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Speaker 2: propeller on a pencil with, like, a rubber band around it.
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Speaker 2: And most kids would, like, you know, today throw that
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Speaker 2: away and be like, bad toy, dad. But back then,
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Speaker 2: that was like a Nintendo. And so, but they become
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Speaker 2: obsessed with it. They start seeing how long will it
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Speaker 2: stay in the air? How high will it actually fly?
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Speaker 2: They become obsessed with flight. But the second part of
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Speaker 2: that story that I love is that what eventually happens
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Speaker 2: is their mother is the reason they start building. Their
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Speaker 2: mom used to build their sleds, used to build stuff
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Speaker 2: for them because her dad was a builder and he
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Speaker 2: used to build things. And they come home one day
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Speaker 2: and one of the boys has taken apart someone's sewing
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Speaker 2: machine to pieces, like to the nuts and bolts. My mother,
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Speaker 2: may she rest in peace. You know what she would
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Speaker 2: do to me if I took apart the sewing machine?
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Speaker 2: But the Wright brothers' parents look at their kids and
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Speaker 2: they're that that's why we get the right brothers. And
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Speaker 2: that's a lesson for parents. It's a lesson for kids.
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Speaker 2: It's like, you got to love your kids for who
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Speaker 2: they are and whatever they love it, you know, just
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Speaker 2: to say thanks and say, that's amazing and encourage them.
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Speaker 2: And that's how you'll get the best version of them.
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Speaker 1: See, that's why I always say, go outside little ones
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Speaker 1: and go out there and see the bugs. Don't kill
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Speaker 1: the bugs. Just go out there and look at the
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Speaker 1: ants and don't kill the spider, but look at the web,
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Speaker 1: look at what they're doing. And you can do the
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Speaker 1: same thing if you just give it effort.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. That's exactly right.
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Speaker 1: I love sharing conversations with this guy. We're going to
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Speaker 1: be right back with Brad Meltzer. The focus is on
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Speaker 1: the Wright brothers. We are back with Brad Meltzer. The
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Speaker 1: smartest people that we learn from, it comes from mistakes.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm learning from a lot of your books
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Speaker 1: is that they make a mistake. I don't even want
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Speaker 1: to call it a mistake. They tripped, they stumbled, they fumbled,
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Speaker 1: they did something that wasn't what we see today as
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Speaker 1: being great, but yet they didn't stop. And we learn
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Speaker 1: from that. How did you tap into that connection? and
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Speaker 1: even recognize it as being such?
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Speaker 2: You know, for me, it actually is my own career.
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Speaker 2: And I know it because I lived it. I got
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Speaker 2: on my first book, 24 rejection letters. There were only
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Speaker 2: 20 publishers. I got 24 rejection letters, which means some
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Speaker 2: people were writing me twice to make sure I got
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Speaker 2: the point. But I said, if they don't like that book,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to write another. And if they don't like
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Speaker 2: that book, I'm going to write another. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: Chris and I, when we started this book series, we
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Speaker 2: didn't know Like how to figure out how to tell
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Speaker 2: someone's story in the best way. You know, we had
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Speaker 2: to learn. We had to bring experts in. We had to,
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Speaker 2: you know, make sure we got it right. And I
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Speaker 2: felt like when I got to this, I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're like, obviously we didn't invent the airplane, but we're like. that's,
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Speaker 2: you know, one of the great lessons built into the
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Speaker 2: Wright brothers is exactly that. It's like, there's a line
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Speaker 2: in there. It just haunts me. I, and I wrote it,
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Speaker 2: but I love it. And it says, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: easy in the world to find doubters, but the world
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Speaker 2: is always changed by dreamers. And that's my favorite line.
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Speaker 2: And we are the Wright brothers. So if you have
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Speaker 2: a kid in your life, a niece, a nephew, a grandkid,
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Speaker 2: you know, any kid in your life that needs, instead
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Speaker 2: of for the holidays this year or their birthday this
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Speaker 2: year and buying some plastic boy garbage, you know, and
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Speaker 2: you'll have a gift that will pay you back forever.
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Speaker 1: Now, because I'm here in Carolina and we are so
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Speaker 1: spoiled to have the Wright Brothers history here, are you
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Speaker 1: going to be selling this book there? Because I'm that
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Speaker 1: kind of guy. If I find out where a book is,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go buy it there because the receipt
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Speaker 1: goes really cool with the book and then you have
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Speaker 1: something for the future to hold on to, to share
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Speaker 1: with great-grandchildren.
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Speaker 2: I love that. You know, the funny thing is that
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Speaker 2: we are, I wish we were coming to Carolina on
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Speaker 2: this tour. Um, it's only a five day tour, but
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Speaker 2: I love the fact that so many, you know, we
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Speaker 2: once did a, uh, another store, quick store on the
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Speaker 2: Wright brothers and all these people from Carolina, like we
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Speaker 2: better be in there. And all the people from Ohio
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Speaker 2: are like, we better be in there and Huffman Prairie.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, we gotta be in there too.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, what I realized is, is everyone
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Speaker 2: claims the Wright brothers, but here's the thing. It's like
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Speaker 2: the Wright brothers themselves. You can't take one piece out
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Speaker 2: of it. If you do, the plane doesn't take off.
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Speaker 2: So I love the fact that all these places do
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Speaker 2: have an appropriate and correct claim to it. And without
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Speaker 2: North Carolina, right, it doesn't go. The same thing with
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Speaker 2: their parents. Take one of their parents out of it,
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Speaker 2: they don't go. And that's what all our lives are.
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Speaker 2: We're all built, we're all these little mosaics. that are
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Speaker 2: built on over time. And I love the fact that
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Speaker 2: we get to show in the Wright brothers what, you know,
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Speaker 2: when you let that mosaic thrive, when you nurture it,
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Speaker 2: that you really can change the whole world with it.
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Speaker 1: Well, you prove inside this book that 12 seconds feels
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Speaker 1: like a lifetime. And it brought up so many childhood
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Speaker 1: memories for me because I grew up on a farm.
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Speaker 1: I'm in Montana. We would row to till the yard.
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Speaker 1: And the reason why, so I could jump off the
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Speaker 1: garage because I wanted to fly. And I mean, and
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Speaker 1: so I'm jealous that the Wright brothers got 12 seconds.
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Speaker 1: I think I got, I got two seconds and a bloop.
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Speaker 1: That was all I got out of flight. And, and so,
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Speaker 1: but yet it's still, it ignites something in my imagination
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Speaker 1: that I still believe I can fly because of a
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Speaker 1: book like this.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I still, my regular recurring dream is flying. I mean,
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Speaker 2: to this day, and yes, maybe it was launched from
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Speaker 2: Superman rather than the Wright Brothers, but we all understand it.
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Speaker 2: We all know it. It makes sense. And I think
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Speaker 2: it's not just because flying is cool, but it's a metaphor.
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Speaker 2: It's being able to do what's never been done. When
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Speaker 2: you look at the Wright Brothers, when they're first trying
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Speaker 2: to put together their plane, they have no idea what
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Speaker 2: they're doing. But there are all these people Right. And
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Speaker 2: they're better funded and they've got government contracts and they've
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Speaker 2: got millions of dollars. And the Wright brothers got a
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Speaker 2: bicycle shop and they got their imagination. And when they
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Speaker 2: go out, actually, in Carolina, one of the first times
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Speaker 2: out there, they try to get people to come. They
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Speaker 2: want to get a crowd to drum up support and enthusiasm.
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Speaker 2: You can maybe get funding. show up by people and
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Speaker 2: you know why it's because no one thinks it's possible
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Speaker 2: they're like this isn't impossible i know when you right
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Speaker 2: now say oh obviously you can you know when you
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Speaker 2: flying is you know we see it all the time
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Speaker 2: we see planes all the time but back then they
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Speaker 2: were like no one will ever be able to fly
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Speaker 2: it's never going to happen there was a german guy
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Speaker 2: that they called the flying man auto uh that the
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Speaker 2: right brothers looked up to who used to made a
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Speaker 2: glider and he's to jump off like little hills and
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Speaker 2: then off cliffs and guess what he died too like
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Speaker 2: their hero died and they still were like I don't
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Speaker 2: care we're gonna crack this thing and what's so amazing
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Speaker 2: now is the Wright brothers never flew together they would
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Speaker 2: never fly together because if the plane crashed when they
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Speaker 2: were both on it they lose everything all the knowledge
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Speaker 2: is gone there's no disk drive there's no backup back
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Speaker 2: then And then once they start training everybody, and they
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Speaker 2: train people in other countries, and they train the military
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Speaker 2: and teach them how to build planes that they have,
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Speaker 2: then to fly home, the Wright brothers fly together. And
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Speaker 2: to me, I don't know a better, more perfect image.
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Speaker 2: And that's, of course, what We Are the Wright Brothers,
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Speaker 2: the book ends with. And I love that idea of that,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the end, they get to get on
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Speaker 2: that plane together. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I got to give you a kudos and a compliment
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Speaker 1: on the way that you design this book. And to me,
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Speaker 1: I call it the big picture. I always expect the
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Speaker 1: big picture with the little bubbles of information on the side.
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Speaker 1: I love that because in a reader's mind, you're creating
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Speaker 1: what comedians call the beautiful pause. You've got to have
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Speaker 1: that pause so I can take the time to digest it.
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Speaker 1: And you, as an author and your illustrator, you give
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Speaker 1: me that pregnant pause.
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Speaker 2: Listen, the beauty of doing a picture book, and I
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Speaker 2: can't do this in a novel, in a movie, in television,
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Speaker 2: and in a picture book, you can do silence. Yep.
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Speaker 2: In a novel, I can't do silence. I can say
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Speaker 2: everything went quiet, but there's no pause. You just have
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Speaker 2: to use more words to say the world was like
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Speaker 2: we were underwater. It sounded like my ears were, but
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Speaker 2: you can't show it. I can describe it. I can
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Speaker 2: tell it, but I can't show it. In a movie,
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Speaker 2: you can show silence. TV, you can show silence. In
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Speaker 2: a picture book, you can show silence. And that moment
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Speaker 2: when they take off and they fly through the air.
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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I don't put any word balloons on that page.
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Speaker 2: I'm not stupid. Just let the moment sing. Let the
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Speaker 2: silence sink in and feel the wonder and the awe
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Speaker 2: as you're witnessing something for the very first time being
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Speaker 2: done in this world. That is, to me, one of
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Speaker 2: the best parts of doing picture books for kids is
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Speaker 2: opening their eyes to see something that is awe-inspiring. And
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Speaker 2: I love that.
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Speaker 1: You know, with the attitude of crash and rebuild, crash
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Speaker 1: and rebuild, and you team it up with perseverance. And
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Speaker 1: deep inside my heart, and once again, it's only because
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Speaker 1: I'm originally from the Pacific Northwest, when I saw Evel
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Speaker 1: Knievel try to go over that Snake River, I really
17:16
Speaker 1: wanted the attitude of Orville and Wilbur to say, get
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Speaker 1: back on that bike and do it again. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: the parachute opened too quickly. They would get up there
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Speaker 1: and do it again.
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Speaker 2: Oh man. But first of all, you're talking to someone
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Speaker 2: who not only had the Evel Knievel that you would
17:32
Speaker 2: wind the thing on the side and would take off.
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Speaker 2: But when, when my kids were little, I went on
17:36
Speaker 2: eBay and bought another one and I put it on
17:39
Speaker 2: and I, it's so, I love it to this day,
17:42
Speaker 2: but I will tell you that's exactly right. And, and
17:45
Speaker 2: to me, isn't that amazing, right? Like it's so amazing
17:49
Speaker 2: to watch someone try to do what's never been done before,
17:52
Speaker 2: but yeah, the Wright brothers are like, then do it again.
17:55
Speaker 2: Who cares? And, and you know, and, It's so funny
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Speaker 2: to watch. I know we're of a similar age, and
18:03
Speaker 2: so we have those similar heroes. But those people that
18:07
Speaker 2: try to do those things, that is like an age
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Speaker 2: of wonder to me. And I think we don't celebrate
18:13
Speaker 2: it enough. I think right now we spend so much
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Speaker 2: time doing this. We're so angry at each other. Everyone's angry.
18:19
Speaker 2: And politicians make us angry and are mad. Cable shows
18:23
Speaker 2: make us angry, and of course, AI and social media
18:27
Speaker 2: make us angry. Why? Why do politicians want us angry?
18:30
Speaker 2: Because angry people vote, and angry people watch, and angry
18:36
Speaker 2: people will scroll endlessly on their phone. And to me,
18:40
Speaker 2: there's this quote that just has been haunting me lately,
18:43
Speaker 2: and it says, be the reason people believe in good.
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Speaker 2: Be the reason... People believe in good. And that's what
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Speaker 2: these books are. It's like what to me is I'm
18:55
Speaker 2: not trying to teach you and your kids lessons about history.
19:00
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to show you is your ability to
19:03
Speaker 2: make history. And that's why I love the Evel Knievel.
19:06
Speaker 2: It's why I love the Wright Brothers. It's why I
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Speaker 2: love Marie Curie or even like Jim Henson and Mr. Rogers.
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Speaker 2: They were doing what no one had done before and
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Speaker 2: just trying to make some history just by finding something
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Speaker 2: they loved and sharing it with others. And that's all
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Speaker 2: the Wright Brothers are. There's no difference between them and
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Speaker 2: Jim Henson and Mr. Rogers to me.
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Speaker 1: And somebody who's writing 100 books about telling history. In fact,
19:29
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you. I always tell
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Speaker 1: my students in broadcasting, You don't have a podcast until
19:34
Speaker 1: you have 100 episodes. So when I hear you say
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Speaker 1: 100 every time, I sit there and giggle like a
19:39
Speaker 1: kid because I'm going, you ain't an author until you
19:41
Speaker 1: hit 100. So I'm going to be your biggest fan.
19:43
Speaker 1: I'm going to be going, come on, 60 more, man.
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Speaker 1: You got it. You got it. You can do it.
19:47
Speaker 1: Come on, more sit-ups. You can do it. You can
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Speaker 1: do it.
19:51
Speaker 2: I do feel like you're like Mickey and you're like
19:53
Speaker 2: catch the chicken, right? Like you got to do it.
19:55
Speaker 2: And it took us 12 years. ahead of us but
20:02
Speaker 2: you know we're stubborn and we're committed to the cause
20:05
Speaker 2: and just like the Wright brothers we're not giving up
20:08
Speaker 2: like I really want to do it so I love
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Speaker 2: the fact that uh we still yes I got 60
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Speaker 2: more in front of me but I got 40 in
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Speaker 2: my rear view and I'm ready to go.
20:17
Speaker 1: I love it where can people go to find out
20:19
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Speaker 1: I want them to have all of that pre-information that
20:24
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20:26
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20:29
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20:34
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20:57
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21:07
Speaker 2: I love the fact that, you know, I already got
21:08
Speaker 2: someone who told me the story that they're, after hearing
21:11
Speaker 2: the story about the Wright Brothers crash and rebuilding, they
21:14
Speaker 2: were teaching their kids to ride a bike and the
21:15
Speaker 2: kid fell over. And they looked over their shoulder or
21:18
Speaker 2: looked at their parent and got back up and said,
21:20
Speaker 2: crash and rebuild, crash and rebuild. And that's why they
21:24
Speaker 2: started to ride their bike. And I love the fact
21:26
Speaker 2: that that's already happening, even though the book only came out, uh,
21:29
Speaker 2: you know, just in the past few.
21:30
Speaker 1: Days, you got to come back to this show. Anytime
21:33
Speaker 1: in the future, Brad, you know, the door's always open for.
21:35
Speaker 2: You, dude. Always brother. You know that.
21:38
Speaker 1: Well, you be brilliant today. Okay, sir.
21:40
Speaker 2: Uh, I appreciate you. Always appreciate you supporting us in
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Speaker 2: every different genre. Yeah.