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“YOU SEE WHAT HE SEES” - Xenomania 71 · Xenomania

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Jon: This week on Xenomania, join us as we take a trip to meet the goodes
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of Good Boys Indie in the 2025 film.
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Good boy.
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Along the way, we'd learn that kids and dogs sea ghosts first, that Indie
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is really a very good and loyal boy, and we play a game with devastating
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consequences for the cinematic world.
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This is Xenomania.
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not.
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Ryan: You're
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Jon: I'm,
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Ryan: this game.
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It's gonna ruin our lives, supposedly.
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Like supposed to be a heartwarming episode about a dog his owner from ghosts.
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Come on now.
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Jon: I mean, if we want, if we wanna go that route.
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Indy did not succeed
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Ryan: Neither did the other dog, but you know
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Jon: in Indy is not, Indy was not successful in defending his owner,
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but, we'll, we'll come back to that.
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This game is beautiful, beautiful.
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I only made Allison get rid of two of her favorite movies ever in this game.
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Kearns: okay.
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All right.
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It's gonna be horrible.
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Jon: and I think I made it even more evil for you guys because
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I did not even choose the order.
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The pictures are in this time.
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Nope.
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Ryan: ai.
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Oh,
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Jon: They're randomized buddy.
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Kearns: John's not really big AI guy.
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Jon: Nope, they're just randomized.
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I have, I don't even know what the order's gonna be, so.
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Ryan: be bad.
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So basically with
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Jon: Yep.
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Blood bath.
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Ryan: movies are probably gonna be on top.
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Fingers crossed
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Kearns: Fingers crossed
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Jon: you think there's only gonna be three good movies on this list in this game?
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Ryan: no, no.
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Jon: And listen, we're adding, a layer.
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But let's, get to that in a little bit 'cause we have a good boy to talk about.
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Kearns: our movie this week, everybody.
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It's about a dog.
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Jon: It is about a dog.
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Kearns: than I thought I was going to.
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Jon: I did too.
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they really did a good job sort of making a dog's perspective without
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knowing what a dog's perspective is.
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Kearns: Now I was expecting first person like dog ovision, and I'm
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glad they didn't go that route.
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They, they kept it,
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Jon: Me.
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Yeah.
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Me too.
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Kearns: on the dog, and the dog was a
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Jon: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Ryan: What
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: was like the close camera angles, the like the lighting, the
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shadows, know, I mean, a dog can really see what, like black and
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white, maybe blue, yellow, I think
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: overall, like the whole atmosphere is like dark and
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that's what the dog is seeing.
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Jon: Yep.
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Yep.
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Ryan: that universal vibe, if that makes sense.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: the shadows and the music in the background.
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And at an hour 13, it's a perfect length.
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Jon: Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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If you go too much longer with this movie, it's, it's un almost
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unwatchable at that point.
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But an hour 13 is a perfect length.
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Kearns: which is wild.
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And it's an
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: expansive metaphor, but it's definitely a
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metaphor, which I always enjoy.
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There's, it's a message movie people, think,
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Jon: Yep.
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Kearns: when a Monster calls, if anybody watch that, and I Slay
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Giants, which were, it's the same
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: about that in a previous episode.
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That's the exact same story from two different authors.
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And they made two movies that are the same movie.
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It's wild how, like they're the exact same thing.
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but yeah, this is the same concept.
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So if you've seen those, you kind of know it's coming.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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And I, I like what they do with the, human faces that they're
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either unseen or obscured the whole, almost the entire movie.
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until you get to the very end.
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And then it makes sense when you can see the face.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: But we'll get to that.
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Kearns: we get rid of that early?
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Jon: I think one of the more impressive elements of this is to a really
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impressive elements of good boy.
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it's director Ben Leon Berg's first feature length film.
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And the dog is his dog.
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Ryan: cool.
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Jon: Indy is his dog.
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Indy is not a trained stage dog.
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Indy is just his dog.
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Ryan: that dog did amazing.
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Then
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: He's not,
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Ryan: like,
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Jon: well let, let's see if you still think this after I give
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you this bit of information.
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This took three years to film, 400 days of filming because there
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were some days the dog wouldn't do what he wanted the dog to do.
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Kearns: thought there were breaks in between, though.
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It wasn't continuous shooting like I thought there were patches.
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Jon: Yeah.
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It was 400 days over three years,
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Kearns: that's makes sense.
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Like that's, yeah.
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Jon: so Yeah.
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Ryan: But to like release a film at 73 minutes, you know, and it, the budget
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was 70,000 and it made 8.7 million.
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like a, it's a big step and like it's, I don't know if he's
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done anything else, like he's in
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Jon: He hasn't done anything since.
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Ryan: in the right direction for his next picture.
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I mean, with the amount of money he's earned.
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Let's see what you can do
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Jon: Oh, yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, but that sometimes that's the problem for these guys, right?
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You, can do it with the small budget because there's no pressure, and then
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they get the, the, the bigger budget and they just have a, don't know what to do.
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Ryan: you can think the KET Smith way though, like you go from
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clerks and then you got like mall
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: which is a little higher, but like dogmas where it's like.
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Jon: Yeah, but even dogma, I don't think was a huge budget.
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I think Kevin Smith didn't get a really large budget until cop out.
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Kearns: really?
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Ryan: Wow.
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Jon: I think that was like the first time they really gave him a lot of money and
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Ryan: Willis, Tracy Morgan, I mean, fair?
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Jon: it didn't end well.
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Kearns: He tried to do, um, that Superman movie.
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I remember seeing the documentary, right?
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Didn't he try to do it with Nick
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Jon: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It wouldn't, yeah.
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The death of Superman documentary.
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Yeah.
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Kearns: um, he
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: them for stealing his villain idea and putting it in wild, wild West,
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Ryan: Yep.
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Kearns: is pretty funny.
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Kevin Smith's a g man.
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I love him.
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Jon: Yeah.
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I, he does not any of the, the times, if you could ever see him speak,
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whether it's, uh, like one of the home DVD releases or in person,
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it's probably worth doing because he, he's as good a storyteller in
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that setting as he is cinematically, and he's got so many great stories.
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Kearns: billion we've never heard too.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: mean, the majority is ironically in his films.
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I mean, clerks is based on his life,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: like when he was
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Jon: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Ryan: minus like
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: at the end.
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But that's the alternate ending.
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Jon: I we're way off on a tangent, but I'll finish it.
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I'm so glad that's not the ending that they went with.
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That would've, it would've like it, it would've changed
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that whole movie irreparably.
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Ryan: mean the, so the question is, have you seen the film with that ending?
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Jon: It's on one of the, it's on at least one of the DVD releases,
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and it's, it's such a downer,
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Ryan: Like
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Jon: like, like clerks kind of, it kind of ends on a downer to begin
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with, with the whole ca, the whole Caitlyn, Bree thing and all that and,
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Ryan: I mean,
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: guy
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Kearns: happened.
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It's cool.
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The cat's, uh, busy back there.
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Jon: but
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Ryan: chilling out.
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Jon: Yeah.
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He's standing on the tortoises right now.
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Kearns: yeah, man.
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Uh, back to good boy.
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It's not a Kevin Smith feature.
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Jon: Yeah.
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Back to, back to, good boy.
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Kearns: a little bit.
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It brought me back to watchers.
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Um, anybody remember the Kuntz movie watchers or the Golden Retriever Einstein?
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Ryan: I haven't seen it
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Kearns: That's the
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Jon: I didn't see it.
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Kearns: read the book, the book's actually worthy, it's a, uh, a
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golden retriever's being experimented on in a, some sort of facility.
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And so is this monster and the monster's jealous of the retriever.
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'cause everybody loves the fucking golden retriever.
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And they both get, they both escape.
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And the dog is crazy smart.
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That's like what they were doing to it.
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And the monster wants to kill the dog because jealous.
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So it, the dog links up with a human and they're friends and they become, you
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know, I guess you can't say it's his pet because the dog's smarter than the guy.
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But, uh, yeah, and you get a lot of dog perspective throughout the
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whole thing with like, the dog knows the monsters over there, the guy
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doesn't know the monsters over there.
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So it really brought me back to watchers from back then.
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I'm thinking it's called watchers.
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Um, I could be wrong now because.
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No, it is Watchers.
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Phantoms is the other one.
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That's the other Kunin.
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Um, but yeah, that brought me back to it a bit.
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And if anybody out there in the universe remembers watchers,
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please, please let us know because Damnit, I need some validation.
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Ryan: I mean, I believe you.
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I'll put it on, you know I've heard of it.
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I believe John's heard of it.
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I wanna watch it.
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But
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Kearns: The
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: The movie's.
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Okay.
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The book is good.
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Ryan: Is it better than Phantoms?
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Kearns: The book,
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Ryan: no.
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The
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Kearns: the book is better than Phantoms.
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The movie is not better than Phantoms.
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Ryan: I mean the book Phantoms
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Kearns: That's arguable actually, Phantom's, the book
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is pretty good too, actually.
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this is
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Ryan: excellent.
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Kearns: og Um, Watchers is og Kunz Phantoms is the end of that era.
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So it's, it's a little different.
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But anyway, back to good boy,
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Jon: Back to good boy, which, so good boy really works on the, theory
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that dogs and kids see ghosts first
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: Yes,
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Jon: In the case of Good boy, the dog is the only one who really sees anything.
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Ryan: an interesting concept, how they reveal the ghost.
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This is like in the shadows and
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: like
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: I like, I was expecting to see
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: Ghastly figures, but like to see like the figure in the shadow
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and then maybe a little bit of the face, it was a different take,
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but I feel like that's what a
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: seeing.
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know, even a kid is like an embodiment of something, not the full thing.
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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Jon: yeah, I, I like that element.
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I like what I really think He does a lot of good stuff with his Nova
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Scotia duck tolling retriever.
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Kearns: That's what that is.
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Jon: Yes, I looked it up.
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Yes.
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I learned a little bit about Nova Scotia duck tolling retrievers.
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If you guys wanna know.
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Kearns: I.
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Jon: Very, they're the smallest of the retrievers.
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They tend to be very affectionate and good with kids.
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They're good hunters, hikers, campers, and swimmers because they have webbed feet.
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Kearns: that's cool.
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Jon: Right.
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That's a pretty cool dog.
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Kearns: dog.
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That's a good boy.
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Jon: That's a pretty cool dog.
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That's a good boy.
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Kearns: And now we're, gonna be in the market for a dog at some point.
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I want a golden, but I could, definitely settle for a Nova Scotia.
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Ryan: A Nova Scotia.
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Watch next, next
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Jon: I mean, they're,
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Ryan: His name's Indy.
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Did you
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Jon: they,
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Ryan: him?
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Jon: they are often mistaken for golden retrievers.
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Kearns: smaller.
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Ryan: Like how
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Jon: Yep.
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Kearns: Well, Indie's pretty tiny.
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I can't imagine.
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He, it's,
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Jon: Indy's not a big dog.
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No.
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Kearns: like a puppy.
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The whole movie.
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Ryan: that's what I was saying, like
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: like he'd be like growing a little bit more.
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'cause my dog's like got a little golden retriever in her
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and she's like up to my knee.
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I'd expect like that's like the normal size.
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maybe by the calf.
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Kearns: Golden Goldens can be tall at the, at the top of, the head of Golden.
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Can be at your chest.
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Well, a little lower than your chest.
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They can get very, very big.
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There are
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: golden retrievers I've seen where I'm, they're statuesque,
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they're unbelievably gorgeous dogs.
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there's two different variants.
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There's like an English one I think, and then there's an
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American and one's very stocky.
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Uh, I forget which is which, like one has more of a broad head.
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Ryan: Not the American one.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: one's a little more slender.
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Kearns: Is that the, the way of it?
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Okay.
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yeah, the more aqualine face and everything tend to be the taller,
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long, more lengthy ones I think.
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But I just love them.
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Our, we went to a wedding in, um, Colorado and our friend's parents'
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dog was there, I think the dog's name's Arlo, sorry for doxing.
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You Arlo.
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the dog from snout to tip of tail had to be seven feet long.
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The thing is huge and gorgeous, super well behaved like a pleasure to be around it.
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It felt like you've stumbled upon a frigging unicorn
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when you were near that dog.
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I love him, dude.
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I love that they did this movie with the dog and like kept that
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sort of majesty the whole time too.
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You just wanted to pet the dog the whole movie.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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even when, his poor mess of a Todd is falling apart.
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Kearns: get into the dark part.
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This is a horror movie.
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Uh,
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Jon: it's a horror movie.
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It's, you know, and it definitely touches on some scary stuff,
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but it's also pretty emotional.
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Kearns: with it.
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I had a hard time with it because it was so
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Jon: He,
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because about halfway through, it goes beyond being just a ghost movie
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Jon: when we discover that old Todd has an in inoperable brain tumor.
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Kearns: You know, any attitude like that, it's inoperable, but if
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you get the, you get the right guy out there, you can operate on it.
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can operate on anything really, if you think about it.
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Ryan: I mean,
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Jon: I mean,
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Ryan: need to,
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Jon: yeah,
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Kearns: you're just not gonna make
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Jon: fair.
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Ryan: I listen,
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Kearns: Turns into
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Jon: I mean,
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Kearns: real fast.
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Ryan: Steve Martin was successful and the man with two brains.
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I believe in Steve Martin,
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Kearns: It's true.
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Ryan: he can handle it.
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But it's interesting that
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: when he finds out about this, the way he copes is he goes to
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his grandfather's isolated cabin.
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Like he kinda shuts everyone out.
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He shuts his sister Vera
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: he's like given up.
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feel
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Jon: Yeah.
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Ryan: to fight, but he's like, he's like, I need to do this battle myself.
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And
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: a lot because even
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: I think he goes into readmission.
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Kearns: Um, well, he's come out of it, so it's, in tone that he was in
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remission and that it has returned.
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And then, they found out, oh, it's not only is it returned, but it is
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advanced and metastasized, which means
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Jon: Yeah,
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Kearns: then he's,
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Jon: yeah,
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Kearns: oh.
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Jon: yeah.
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And there's a line early on that seems kind of throw away when he
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gets to the grandfather's house about how his family dies young.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Jon: And like, like in the moment it's just like, yeah, I guess his
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grandfather died young and his grandfather is somebody we should point out.
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'cause he's sort of a cult, horror, big name kind of person.
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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Jon: Fessenden,
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Ryan: Okay.
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Jon: he's been in a ton of stuff.
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Ryan: Oh, I know that dude.
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Jon: Yeah, no, you absolutely know the dude.
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, He's been tons and tons of stuff, and then he sneaks into like Killers
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of the Flower Moon as like an unnamed character, but like, he's
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Kearns: That's
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Jon: lots and lots of cool stuff.
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I,
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Kearns: come on, it's Larry,
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Jon: yeah, yeah.
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Kearns: get him in.
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Jon: Yeah.
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He at, he was in a Wendigo movie.
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He's been in a bunch of stuff.
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That was really cool.
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You're next.
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Ryan: Dawn, which is
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Kearns: Oh, neat.
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Ryan: game, which is like basically creating your own horror film.
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Like
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Kearns: Until Dawn is, is um, really well loved.
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Ryan: Oh, he's in Man and Madon too, which is like a spiritual
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successor too, in that sense.
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Oh, until
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: I, movie is a cool concept, but the original game, the idea with
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like, there's monsters out there, but the question is, is it monster?
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Is it slasher?
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And how it blends based on
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: Like,
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Kearns: Yeah, it's a cool concept.
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Ryan: it's so good.
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I mean, it's Grown, has grown, but
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Jon: I like the story concepts of those games.
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I don't like the gameplay of those games because it's, there's
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not a lot of actual gameplay.
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Ryan: the Cory.
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Kearns: I gotcha.
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Ryan: would be the highest recommendation with the most gameplay out of it.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Like, I, I played a, a trial of that.
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It was fine.
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Like I, I was into the story, but I find that I get distracted when I play a game
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and there's not a lot of actual gameplay.
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Kearns: Fair.
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Yeah.
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Ryan: It's like, uh, the next generation of the adventure, click, and point game.
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I feel
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: more,
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Kearns: their
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Jon: Yeah.
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Kearns: in time.
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But I agree with John.
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Like I get bored of like the, the like the clock tower esque sort of games and
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things like that where you're just like,
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: hide there and then an animation plays for 17 seconds and you're like,
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that's why I hated, oh, I can't stand it.
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I can't stand it.
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Ryan: Kings quest.
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Kearns: Kings Quest.
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Oh no, but that's different.
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That's different.
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'cause you're actively, that's an RPG style thing too.
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I, I think Kings Quest and Heroes Quest Sierra games are very different.
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Ryan: Tell me, did you jump off the
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Kearns: Always.
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Ryan: you
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Kearns: Always.
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I play, I still play Hero's Quest on an emulator.
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Everyone I've beaten that game probably once every couple of years
18:02
since I played it the first time.
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I always come back to the first one.
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So you want to be a hero
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Ryan: Was it typing
18:08
Kearns: for glory?
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Yeah.
18:09
Ryan: do you have the click one.
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Okay.
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Kearns: can use the remake one where you use the mouse but the
18:15
original was just the keys, baby.
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Ryan: one's gonna know about the keys.
18:21
Kearns: Yep.
18:21
Ryan: One you had to
18:23
Kearns: makes it
18:23
Ryan: stuff.
18:23
Kit.
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Kearns: hard.
18:25
Yeah.
18:25
You had to learn that you, like, as a little kid, you had
18:27
to spell out candelabra, knock.
18:30
You couldn't beat the game unless you could write, knock over a candelabra.
18:36
What kid knows what a candelabra is on their fricking IBM Appa from 1994
18:42
Ryan: S
18:45
that's why I started with the secret of Monkey Island.
18:48
Kearns: Secretive Monkey.
18:49
Remember Kingsfield from software fans out there too?
18:52
Kingsfield was of that era too.
18:54
It was not much longer after those games.
18:56
Kingsfield was the first Ark Souls.
18:58
Demon Souls.
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It was so good too.
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Ryan: they had, you guys ever play the um, I know we're off topic and
19:05
Kearns: See, yeah, we're gonna get back.
19:06
We're gonna probably zero in with the game.
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Ryan: hold on, hold on.
19:09
Wait real quick.
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The old school VFX games where it was actually an actual movie?
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Kearns: Yes.
19:15
Like, uh, phantasmagoria.
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Jon: Oh yeah,
19:18
Kearns: Yep.
19:19
Ryan: Yep.
19:21
Alright.
19:22
Kearns: Those are the
19:22
Jon: Yep.
19:23
Ryan: games.
19:23
Jon: Yeah, I remember those.
19:24
Ryan: ready.
19:25
Kearns: Let's be,
19:25
Ryan: tear our
19:26
Kearns: how bad
19:26
Jon: You ready?
19:27
Kearns: a person John was.
19:28
I refused to call
19:29
Jon: You ready?
19:30
Kearns: I don't want him to get bricked up over there.
19:31
Jon: Oh, they call me a bad boy.
19:37
Ryan: I see Roarke coming
19:38
Jon: so it is a, it's a traditional slasher stash with.
19:46
A twist.
19:48
Kearns: twist, I'm sure.
19:49
Jon: Anything that you slash you delete forever.
19:55
Ryan: Okay.
19:56
Jon: You d you don't just delete the movie, you delete the
19:59
director's entire filmography.
20:03
Ryan: John Carpenter.
20:04
Better
20:04
Jon: So
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Ryan: be on this evil
20:07
Jon: ha
20:07
Ryan: You evil man.
20:09
Jon: ha ha.
20:11
Um, he's actually not, because the, I'll give you guys the
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theme because it's important.
20:16
It is directorial debuts.
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Kearns: Fever was a directorial debut cool
20:26
Ryan: that was really done well too.
20:27
I mean, we always talk about the bathtub scene and you know.
20:31
Kearns: Listerine scene.
20:32
Ryan: list.
20:33
Well, the Listerine, the bathtub, like all it's, it's so good and
20:37
not good all at the same time.
20:40
Jon: So should you choose to stash cabin fever, you will not only keep cabin fever,
20:48
you will also keep every Eli Roth movie.
20:52
Ryan: Okay,
20:53
Jon: However, if you slash this Eli Roth's film career no longer exists.
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Kearns: his movies.
21:02
But,
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Ryan: includes
21:03
Jon: And he is,
21:05
Kearns: Oh, okay.
21:05
Nevermind.
21:06
Jon: everything he's ever worked on is
21:09
Ryan: Goodbye Eli.
21:10
Kearns: I'm good with that though.
21:11
I don't like hostile.
21:15
Ryan: we'll see you in glorious bastards.
21:19
Jon: So are we.
21:20
Ah, no, he's not in glorious bastards 'cause he, his
21:23
Hollywood career doesn't exist.
21:25
Ryan: Well, it was supposed to go to Adam Sandler, so I'm fine with it slash it.
21:31
Jon: We're both slashing cabin.
21:33
Goodbye Eli Roth.
21:35
There is no more Eli Roth movies in the world because of you guys.
21:39
Good job.
21:41
Kearns: we're gonna be okay.
21:41
Ryan: Better be on here
21:43
Kearns: I was gonna say, I can't wait to slash him.
21:48
Jon: you think I'll put him on here?
21:50
I didn't do anything that easy for you guys.
21:52
Kearns: Oh.
21:52
Jon: two, the Evil Dead.
21:58
Remember slashed.
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There are no more Sam Raey movies,
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not just no more Evil Deads.
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There's no Spider-Man.
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There's no anything Eli uh, Sam Remy's ever done.
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It's gone.
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Poof.
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Kearns: I am gonna have to stash evil Dead.
22:19
Even without worrying about Spider-Man,
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Ryan: I'm actually stashing it because of like Spider-Man.
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'cause I, I love the first two.
22:27
I love the first two Spider-Man movies and Evil Dead.
22:30
But yeah, I gotta stash
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Kearns: you mean the Tobys
22:34
Jon: I am,
22:34
Ryan: Tobys not the third one.
22:36
Third,
22:36
Kearns: third one was hot garbage
22:38
Ryan: oh God,
22:39
Kearns: and they,
22:39
Ryan: when they revealed the scene where they cut out the Sandman being
22:43
a castle for his daughter, which could have built the character more and the
22:47
studio was like, no, we don't need this.
22:49
Kearns: yeah, they screwed up big time.
22:52
Ryan: The second one's the best.
22:53
Jon: so
22:54
Ryan: saying,
22:56
Jon: this is one of the, the movies I got Alison to slash So
23:01
you guys might be doing better.
23:02
Well, this came up dead last for her.
23:05
Kearns: I forgot the order is okay.
23:07
Ryan: Random.
23:08
Kearns: Hey, we got lucky so far with
23:10
Jon: Yep.
23:11
Kearns: and this second.
23:12
Ryan: But it could still
23:13
Jon: All right.
23:15
Kearns: Oh,
23:16
Jon: three.
23:18
Kearns: oh,
23:20
Jon: Be careful here guys.
23:22
Be careful.
23:23
You could take George Romero completely outta the world, which would mean
23:27
not only are there no George Romero movies, there's probably no podcast
23:33
Kearns: That's true.
23:34
Jon: 'cause without Romero, I don't get into horror the way I got into horror.
23:38
Kearns: dead air and then there's no one more episodes ever again.
23:41
Ryan: We wake up tomorrow morning.
23:42
Hey, are we doing X Friday?
23:45
No.
23:46
What are you talking about?
23:47
What?
23:48
Jon: What is xenomania
23:50
Ryan: We actually do a comedy podcast.
23:52
Jon: are, are we going to talk about the notebook?
23:56
Kearns: We should do an episode on that for April Fool's Day.
24:02
Jon: Never been kissed this week.
24:04
Kearns: ha.
24:05
I'm gonna have to stash this one too.
24:07
Ryan: Yeah, but you might have Wes Craven, man,
24:11
Kearns: I could lose less craven.
24:13
Yeah.
24:14
It's gonna hurt you a lot more.
24:14
It's gonna hurt me, buddy.
24:17
Jon: We're gonna, that debate is gonna go on for the rest of eternity.
24:22
Ryan: it because I love Day of the Dead.
24:24
Love Night of the
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Kearns: I,
24:25
Ryan: Dead,
24:26
Kearns: I just, uh, we're in fifth grade.
24:29
There's five of us laughing until we piss ourselves because they're
24:31
beating up, which clearly an inflatable with a fire poker and
24:37
we're just, I don't even remember.
24:38
We're like eating Pop-Tarts and we're on a hardwood floor and life
24:42
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:42
Kearns: I can never, I just stash this.
24:45
Yeah.
24:47
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:48
This is the other movie.
24:49
I got Alison to slash
24:53
this is her favorite movie of all time.
24:56
Kearns: done her dirty.
24:57
Ryan: we're doing.
24:58
Good.
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Jon: Um, I don't know.
25:01
We'll see, because remember.
25:04
There's three movies after this that she stashed.
25:07
Kearns: also though, how many do we, we get to keep four.
25:11
Ryan: yeah.
25:12
Kearns: Oh,
25:12
Jon: No.
25:12
Three.
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Ryan: on, hold
25:13
Jon: No.
25:13
Three.
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It's three and it's three and five.
25:16
It's always three and five Gentlemen.
25:18
Kearns: I heard it was four too.
25:19
There is
25:19
Ryan: Yeah,
25:20
Jon: It's always three and five.
25:22
Always.
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You.
25:24
You can beg for four and four.
25:25
It's not gonna help you anyway,
25:27
Kearns: geez.
25:27
That's even worse.
25:29
right.
25:30
Jon: because I know, I know what's coming.
25:32
I don't know what order it's coming in, but I know the What's on this list
25:36
and before we go on, I started reading a book that's about neither the Living
25:40
Dead that's particularly fantastic.
25:43
It's called Partially Devoured.
25:45
Kearns: a name.
25:45
Jon: It's
25:46
Ryan: I like
25:46
Jon: a Daniel Krause book.
25:48
and it's Daniel Krause's.
25:50
It's sort of like a frame by frame breakdown slash memoir
25:55
of Night of Living Dead.
25:57
And he goes into things that like I've noticed and never quite put a finger
26:01
on or stuff I didn't even notice.
26:04
It's really fascinating.
26:05
I'm only like, I'm like 60 pages into the book and 12 minutes into the
26:09
movie, so it's a really cool read.
26:13
All right, next.
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David Cronenberg shivers.
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Ryan: no
26:21
Kearns: Yeah.
26:21
Ryan: Jerome,
26:22
Kearns: It was like
26:22
Ryan: no fly,
26:24
Kearns: losing
26:25
Jon: Nope.
26:25
Kearns: but
26:26
Ryan: but, but you
26:27
Kearns: presenting it with shivers makes it easier.
26:29
Ryan: Price
26:30
Kearns: Okay.
26:31
That that makes me feel a little better.
26:33
Ryan: I'll
26:33
Kearns: I'm definitely slashing it.
26:34
Yeah, definitely slashing it.
26:37
Ryan: still get a classic fly.
26:39
You just don't get the gold bloom fly.
26:42
Jon: Mm-hmm.
26:44
Kearns: If you
26:44
Jon: All right.
26:45
Kearns: in the
26:45
Jon: Four to go, guys.
26:46
Kearns: four more to go and I gotta cut three.
26:50
Jon: Yep.
26:51
You guys are gonna be so mad pretty soon.
26:54
Kearns: Do do, do
26:59
Jon: No.
26:59
Texas chainsaw massacres?
27:02
No.
27:02
Toby Hooper, which means no Poltergeist.
27:05
Ryan: you just
27:05
Kearns: The creepy little lady.
27:07
Ryan: You just saved some money.
27:08
I'm slashing it.
27:09
You just got your money back.
27:12
Kearns: Creepy little lady.
27:14
I love the creepy little lady telling the family about their dangerous situation.
27:21
I'm gonna have to slash it too 'cause I know there's something else coming
27:24
up that I'm not gonna want to slash
27:26
Ryan: Would he be evil enough to put Don Cascarelli on here?
27:31
Kearns: he might be.
27:32
Actually, we'll see when he pops
27:35
Jon: We'll see.
27:38
There's plenty evil coming Next Bad Taste, which is Peter Jackson's first movie.
27:46
Kearns: that is evil.
27:47
Jon: Bye Lord of the Rings.
27:50
Kearns: You wanted to hit the fantasy guy with this one.
27:54
Jon: It's all gone.
27:56
Everything Peter Jackson ever did is gone.
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Ryan: what the last one's gonna be
28:01
Kearns: the Hobbit?
28:01
I could.
28:02
I live with with this because the Hobbit's gone.
28:04
'cause I hated the Hobbit.
28:05
Jon: remember I didn't order this, so I don't even know what the last one is.
28:09
Ryan: version of The Ho and Lore.
28:11
The Rinks, which is I still love.
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Kearns: There's just the Hobbit, isn't there?
28:15
There's an
28:15
Jon: Yeah, I mean,
28:16
Kearns: the Rings.
28:17
Ryan: Yeah, it was the sequel, the same animators,
28:19
Kearns: Oh, neat.
28:21
Ryan: and they did return the kink too.
28:22
They skipped the two towers
28:25
Jon: no Frighteners, no dead alive, no Kong,
28:30
Ryan: Frighteners.
28:32
Jon: probably probably no New Zealand.
28:35
New Zealand's probably gone.
28:39
Ryan: He
28:39
Jon: Yeah.
28:40
Ryan: it.
28:40
He filmed everything.
28:41
Jon: I mean there are years he was probably half of their GDP.
28:45
Right?
28:46
Ryan: Hmm.
28:48
But what do you have for last though?
28:51
Kearns: I can't, I can't
28:52
Jon: I don't know.
28:53
Kearns: I can't, I have to, I have to slash this.
28:57
I can't have, I
28:58
Jon: Oof.
28:58
Kearns: dead and night of living dead in bad taste.
29:03
Ryan: it's bad taste.
29:03
Lord, the rings
29:05
Jon: But you have, you have Sam Raey, you have Sam Raey,
29:09
George Romero and Peter Jackson.
29:11
Kearns: I think I'm gonna have to hope that somebody in 2040 makes a
29:15
better version of Lord of the Rings,
29:19
which they won't, by the way.
29:20
Jon: Alright.
29:21
Kearns: we won't have the actors.
29:22
Jon: Nope, nope.
29:26
It'll be ai.
29:28
You'll get an ai.
29:28
Lord of the Rings.
29:30
Kearns: it.
29:30
Ryan: garbage
29:30
Kearns: I would rather just read it, bruh.
29:33
Ryan: After you're saying that I'm slashing it.
29:36
Kearns: Ah, yeah.
29:37
I can't do it.
29:38
Jon: let's,
29:38
Kearns: keep it.
29:39
Ryan: I'll take
29:39
Jon: let's, let's.
29:40
Ryan: over Frighteners and I love Frighteners.
29:43
Jon: Oh,
29:45
Ryan: future though?
29:46
Jon: oh.
29:47
Frighteners is so much better.
29:50
Back to the future is just nostalgia.
29:53
Frighteners is awesome.
29:54
Ryan: I'm looking at the benefit here.
29:55
In this situation, you lose Frighteners, but you
29:58
Jon: Yeah.
30:00
Well, let's see.
30:01
Ryan: the
30:03
Kearns: Oh, basket case.
30:08
Jon: Do you keep the entire Frank Henin Lauder collection
30:13
Kearns: does that entail?
30:14
Jon: ure?
30:15
Kearns: Tell the viewers what the, the Frank Hen and Lauder
30:18
Film Collection entails.
30:21
Jon: I mean, probably most disappointingly you would lose Frank and Hooker
30:25
Ryan: Want a date?
30:28
Jon: going out on a date.
30:31
Ryan: Frank and Hucker,
30:32
Jon: Super crack.
30:33
Ryan: going away slashing.
30:36
Kearns: man, I kind of, I would
30:37
Jon: Ooh,
30:37
Kearns: to throw a curve ball and stash this sucker.
30:39
I do love basket case, man.
30:42
It's just so perfect.
30:45
Jon: I know what's last.
30:46
And uh, I think you're gonna be disappointed in choices when
30:49
you see what you're keeping.
30:52
Kearns: Me.
30:54
Jon: Yeah.
30:55
Kearns: I,
30:56
Jon: I think there's gonna be a level of disappointment here for you.
30:59
Kearns: this the second to last one,
31:02
Jon: This is the Pen Ultimate movie.
31:05
Kearns: might, I was leaning on stashing it anyway, but now, now I
31:08
feel bad about losing Peter Jackson.
31:11
All right.
31:15
Jon: That's the beauty of this.
31:16
I don't know what, I didn't know what order, and now it.
31:20
Kearns: with, I'm gonna just see what Evil John has for me.
31:22
The last one I'll slash basket case.
31:24
There's just not enough of a filmography back.
31:27
You know, there's,
31:29
Jon: Oh,
31:30
Ryan: last?
31:32
Jon: Ryan is gonna be happy.
31:34
Kern's less so.
31:37
Of course it is.
31:38
Kearns: I don't mind that.
31:38
Ryan: West Craven?
31:39
Kearns: Last house on the left.
31:40
Ryan: I'm sold.
31:41
Do we get the screen movies?
31:43
We get Nightmare on Elm Street.
31:45
Kearns: I do love.
31:47
Jon: You guys got rid of, hold on, hold on, hold on.
31:50
You guys got rid of Peter fricking Jackson
31:53
Ryan: but
31:54
Kearns: And,
31:54
Jon: for Wes
31:56
Ryan: whoa,
31:56
Jon: Craven.
31:57
Kearns: off.
31:58
Ryan: wave a flag for waste.
31:58
Jon: You got rid of,
32:00
Kearns: I'm not thrilled about
32:01
Jon: you can wave.
32:02
Any flag you want for Wes Craven.
32:05
You got rid of Peter Jackson to keep him.
32:10
You got rid of three movies.
32:13
That should have, should have been best picture for West Craven.
32:18
Kearns: about it is, is that we're, we're like stuck on, you know,
32:23
we're stuck on a few of them, let's see, what else did we lose?
32:27
District nine, the frighteners, like we said before,
32:31
Jon: Mm-hmm.
32:33
Anything he did gone away
32:36
Kearns: Jackson did Mortal Engines.
32:37
He's got some stinkers here.
32:39
He's got some stinkers,
32:41
Jon: of,
32:42
Kearns: some big time stinkers.
32:43
Let's,
32:45
Jon: I mean, everybody does, but
32:47
Kearns: Ian one, he's riding that of the Rings money.
32:50
He,
32:51
Ryan: I mean if, do you count four rooms as a stinker for Tarantino, even though he
32:57
Kearns: no,
32:57
Ryan: segment?
32:58
Kearns: no,
33:00
Jon: Yes,
33:00
Kearns: think it's
33:01
Jon: I do.
33:01
Kearns: Tarantino's stinker.
33:03
Jon: I do.
33:04
Ryan: it's just a segment though.
33:05
It's not a full film.
33:06
Jon: I mean, it's not his exclusively, but I mean, he has to bear some of that.
33:12
Ryan: Alright.
33:13
Because that's
33:13
Kearns: Secrets of the Force Awakening.
33:16
In 2016, they, he did a Star Wars movie.
33:18
Jon: He probably produced.
33:20
Kearns: thing, like Without Lord of the Rings, without Tolkien.
33:23
Rather.
33:24
Peter Jackson's career is still burgeoning.
33:28
You're still like at like He's good.
33:31
I like this.
33:32
I like
33:32
Jon: probably one of the Better War documentaries and they shall not grow old.
33:38
Kearns: I saw that.
33:39
He's got a few of
33:40
Jon: Yeah.
33:43
Mm-hmm.
33:45
Some, some Beatles stuff that he's brought back, which I don't care about,
33:49
but I know there are people who do
33:51
Kearns: Okay.
33:53
Jon: the lovely bones.
33:54
Like, look at what you guys got rid of
33:57
Kearns: movie.
33:58
It was an okay book concept.
33:59
Jon: O.
34:00
Kearns: Okay.
34:00
Book concept.
34:01
I did enjoy that, but the movie couldn't even be saved by
34:04
Stanley Tucci as the Bad Guy.
34:07
Ryan: you're trying to make us feel guilty for.
34:10
Of Peter Jackson.
34:11
Kearns: He's trying to, trying to rub
34:13
Jon: You should.
34:13
Kearns: wounds, but
34:14
Jon: You should.
34:14
Kearns: that
34:15
Jon: You should feel, you should, you should feel bad for losing Peter Jackson.
34:20
Kearns: Peter
34:20
Jon: You should.
34:21
Kearns: it
34:22
Jon: You should.
34:22
Kearns: thought about it and I thought you had something better coming down the
34:26
pipe, but I should have thought about it.
34:30
Jon: No way to figure it out.
34:32
'cause it was completely random.
34:33
I think I might do them all randomly because I like not knowing
34:36
what's, what's coming next too.
34:38
Ryan: it's fun.
34:39
Kearns: Keeps it spicy.
34:40
Ryan: fun.
34:41
Kearns: Keeps it spicy.
34:43
All right.
34:43
Kids
34:44
Ryan: That
34:44
Kearns: we're,
34:44
Ryan: game.
34:44
Kearns: that was a good
34:45
Jon: Alright.
34:46
Kearns: backs to good boy.
34:47
Jon: Back to good boy.
34:48
Kearns: the fact that, the dog's owner is sick with the big
34:54
Jon: Yeah.
34:56
he is terminal.
34:57
Kearns: to, finish things out.
35:00
Um,
35:02
Jon: Yeah.
35:02
Kearns: dog.
35:05
Is aware of this.
35:08
we, are we all on the same page that the dog is, is noticing these things?
35:17
Jon: Yeah.
35:17
I think the dog's picking up on a, a distinct decline in,
35:21
Ryan: Yeah.
35:22
Jon: in his owner in Todd.
35:25
Kearns: the tea dog.
35:26
Ryan: it senses, I mean, all dogs sense.
35:28
I mean, all animals can sense when they're like owners, like going through
35:32
something, uh, whether it's like
35:35
Jon: Mm-hmm.
35:35
Ryan: or emotions, it's like they have that sense
35:39
Kearns: Yeah.
35:39
Ryan: and like you see
35:41
Jon: He,
35:41
Ryan: and I mean,
35:42
Jon: yeah.
35:42
Ryan: dick in a couple spots, I'm sorry to
35:44
Kearns: Well, he's, yeah.
35:47
Jon: Well,
35:47
Ryan: I'm
35:47
Jon: he is, but like he is.
35:51
But at that point, how much of that is Todd and how much that is?
35:57
Damaged brain from a tumor,
35:59
Kearns: That's part of it.
36:00
And also the stress of knowing.
36:01
Jon: you know?
36:02
Ryan: Okay.
36:03
Kearns: end is ni.
36:04
Jon: Yeah,
36:04
Kearns: Um, and then he also
36:06
Jon: yeah,
36:06
Kearns: to Indy
36:07
Ryan: He
36:08
Kearns: on more than one
36:09
Jon: yeah,
36:10
Ryan: it's just those moments where you're just like, ah,
36:14
Jon: yeah.
36:14
They, there's a, when he chains them up outside, like it's, oh, come on, Todd.
36:19
Don't do that.
36:20
Kearns: hate him for a bit, but there's also the, there parallels there because
36:23
what my theory is, and I'm sure you guys are on the same page 'cause it's
36:27
pretty glaring, Todd is the monster,
36:30
Ryan: yes.
36:31
Kearns: the monster that Indy is seeing pop up the ghost or monster,
36:35
whatever you wanna call it, the mud monster guy, is the manifestation
36:39
of Todd's disease taking him over.
36:42
And
36:42
Jon: Mm-hmm.
36:43
Kearns: literally a scene where that does happen Todd physically,
36:47
which kind of cinch the deal.
36:48
Like they don't, I kind of appreciate that they don't leave it super open-ended.
36:52
It kind of, they're
36:53
Jon: Yeah.
36:54
Kearns: this is
36:54
Jon: Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty clear.
36:58
It's, also very grim beery
37:00
Kearns: which is kind of neat.
37:01
Jon: that this dark shadow is stalking Todd, the whole movie.
37:06
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
37:07
Kearns: it was kind of, and it's nice that it's artful in that
37:09
way, so you can have the idea of death as an entity, stalking its
37:15
Jon: Mm-hmm.
37:15
Kearns: thing.
37:16
And then it, sort of just wraps up nicely and that not really, we
37:19
just did that for the funsies, but this is what's really going on.
37:23
Jon: Yeah.
37:24
Yeah.
37:24
You, you get to a real, real gut punch of an end.
37:29
Kearns: by the way.
37:31
Jon: Yeah.
37:32
I mean, you know, it's coming.
37:34
Like there's no way you can expect that Todd's surviving at the end of this movie.
37:38
Kearns: We're you're prepared for that.
37:40
Jon: They told you, they told you half an hour in, he's not going to.
37:44
Kearns: a film where that's happening and they realize, well, he probably
37:47
wrote it this way beforehand, but you realize that the viewer is
37:50
going to be aware of this coming up.
37:53
You can't, just leave the ending of the movie to be anything Floopy.
37:57
After that, you have to really nail
37:59
Jon: No.
38:00
No.
38:01
Kearns: did that.
38:02
Jon: Mm-hmm.
38:02
Kearns: why I appreciated this
38:03
Jon: He really did.
38:06
Mm-hmm.
38:07
Mm-hmm.
38:08
And, in reading the reviews, trying to cull a few good ones to, share
38:13
a lot of the negativity is in that like, oh, why does it end that way?
38:19
I didn't feel anything.
38:20
I what?
38:21
It wasn't, it was stupid.
38:23
Like it's,
38:23
Kearns: like an hour.
38:24
Ryan: Yeah.
38:25
Jon: and yeah, and I mean, I think if you walk away from good boy kind without
38:32
feeling that you've either never loved a dog or never had a dog love you.
38:37
'cause like, like if you've had that, the love of a dog.
38:42
It's a gut punch in a head.
38:43
Like, you know, like that's one of the things that, you know, worries
38:48
me about having cats is where, who's gonna take care of these
38:52
guys if something happens to me?
38:55
Kearns: Yeah,
38:56
Jon: I, I, and I mean, my, my case is maybe a little more extraordinary
39:00
'cause there's more than one cat for somebody to take care of.
39:05
Kearns: because
39:08
Ryan: Names
39:09
Jon: I mean, at, at the, at the moment, at the moment, they, they all have
39:13
one place to go, so they'll all go together, which is like, but that's
39:19
the kind of thing like, like if you have, if you live with animals, if you
39:24
love animals, you know what that is,
39:26
Kearns: where, where am I going, dad?
39:29
Where are you sending me?
39:33
Jon: you wanna come here.
39:34
Ryan: You wanna
39:34
Kearns: he, well, he is kind of thinking about it.
39:36
Um, so at the tail end of the movie, good boy.
39:40
When Todd dies, or as he's dying, I forget which I think a, after he is dead, maybe.
39:46
Well, Indy Indy, um, is gifted entrance into the basement, into the storm
39:52
cellar, and we have to talk about what you guys think about how those
39:56
doors open because that's not, that's stunned by something supernatural.
40:00
Todd didn't do it and Indy didn't do it.
40:04
Ryan: I believe, the grandfather's dog,
40:06
Kearns: Okay.
40:07
Ryan: tried to defend, uh, the grandfather and it, that was heart wrenching.
40:12
When you see the, the bones, like it was just trapped there.
40:15
No one was able to rescue it and it died.
40:18
Like, and that's the thing, like you're talking about owning a
40:20
dog or having a dog, it's like.
40:23
They're loyal and that dog stayed there and was loyal and
40:28
Kearns: Seymour from Futurama, bro.
40:30
Ryan: Oh God.
40:31
Kearns: Seymour from Futurama.
40:33
I still remember that crap.
40:35
Ryan: it's a great episode too.
40:36
It's just like, oh, he never, he didn't, he didn't for, he didn't remember me.
40:40
He forgot about me.
40:41
And then you see the montage
40:43
Kearns: Yeah, he is just there waiting.
40:47
Oh, that one was
40:48
Jon: Mm-hmm.
40:49
Kearns: Brutal.
40:50
Jon: Yeah.
40:51
I mean, it always is though.
40:53
Like if you, if you love an animal, those endings are always like that.
40:59
Kearns: Yeah.
41:00
Jon: I mean, sixth grade, I finished reading Old Yeller in class.
41:06
Ryan: Yeah.
41:07
Kearns: Oh
41:09
Jon: I heard about that for a long time.
41:12
Kearns: Hey man,
41:13
Ryan: let's just go behind the shed.
41:16
Kearns: where the Red Fern Grows was another one that kind of kicks you.
41:19
That
41:19
Jon: Mm-hmm.
41:20
Kearns: like the kids, like, because of those dogs.
41:22
The kid gets to go to college.
41:25
He gets to go to school in the big
41:27
Jon: Mm-hmm.
41:28
Kearns: Uh,
41:31
Jon: And I think, I think it's important to note too, that, you
41:34
know, for people who are sensitive to that kind of stuff, India is never
41:39
in any real danger in this movie.
41:41
Kearns: get tense and you get worried about him.
41:43
Ryan: Yeah,
41:44
Jon: Yeah.
41:45
Kearns: things towards Indy, but never, never physically harms him.
41:50
It's
41:50
Jon: No.
41:51
Kearns: that.
41:51
Yeah.
41:51
Good, good disclaimer.
41:52
John,
41:53
Ryan: Yeah.
41:53
Kearns: uh, PSA, I should say.
41:55
Ryan: It's a, it's a safe movie.
41:57
I had to
41:57
Kearns: Yeah,
41:58
Ryan: that it was a safe movie before we watched it, that's like the
42:02
question, like, is the dog gonna die?
42:04
I mean, if the dog did, I mean, it's, it's another, yeah.
42:10
Kearns: the threat of that though, it does affect how scary the movie is.
42:16
So it's, you can't like know the dog's not gonna get hurt.
42:20
Jon: Well, yeah, I mean, and I did not get that because I watched it with
42:26
Allison and anytime there's a dog in one of these movies, we have to know if
42:30
the dog is okay or she can't watch it.
42:32
So there's a website, there's, does the Dog Die
42:35
Kearns: Forgot about that.
42:36
Jon: that is now expanded into like every trigger warning at this point
42:41
Kearns: There's different
42:42
Jon: is, is there essay in this movie?
42:44
Is there this in the, like any, anything that could trigger something.
42:48
Kearns: trigger warnings,
42:50
Jon: Yeah.
42:51
Is there a, there isn't one for, is there a scars guard though?
42:56
I think we, I think we need to add that for them.
42:59
Kearns: you if you put that tab on that site.
43:01
That's why
43:02
Ryan: scar.
43:02
Scar
43:03
Kearns: my boys, my boys must d Well, thanks Kellen.
43:09
So
43:09
Ryan: you did.
43:11
Jon: Did, did, did you just make a Norwegian guy an Italian mobster?
43:15
Kearns: Kellen sounds to me.
43:16
Just like that's his default.
43:18
Ryan: Goodwill hunting, that's all.
43:19
I'm gonna say.
43:20
Kearns: Yeah,
43:21
Jon: Wait, is he, is he Norwegian or is he Swedish now?
43:24
I'm not sure.
43:24
Scandinavian.
43:27
Kearns: That's what I always say when it's one of the Baltics or something.
43:30
He is some kind of Viking.
43:32
A lot of Europe was real mad at him for a while.
43:36
That's what he is.
43:38
And now I'm just mad at his
43:39
Jon: Yeah.
43:40
Kearns: flag.
43:42
Jon: Yeah.
43:44
So let me ask you guys a question.
43:46
If you cast your dog in a movie, it's not nepotism 'cause that's a, a family member.
43:51
Is it dog tism
43:53
Kearns: It should be dog mutism.
43:55
Ryan: No be, no,
43:56
Jon: mutism?
43:57
Ryan: you gotta work with, you know, an animal that you trust, you know,
44:03
Jon: You do You do.
44:06
And honestly, I think, it works for me.
44:09
It works better that in India is not a trained stage dog.
44:13
Kearns: Yeah,
44:13
Ryan: natural.
44:16
Kearns: I agree.
44:18
Jon: He, works better that way.
44:20
And I guess there were scenes, uh, maybe that's part of the reason they
44:23
chose to blur faces, not just for dog vision, but also there were scenes
44:29
where, Leonberg had to stand in for the guy that played Todd because he
44:34
couldn't get the reactions from Indy.
44:37
Kearns: Ah,
44:38
Ryan: Hmm,
44:38
Kearns: okay.
44:39
Interesting.
44:40
Ryan: makes sense.
44:41
I mean, how can he, like, how can
44:43
Kearns: it's his dog.
44:44
I.
44:45
Ryan: That's what I was gonna say.
44:45
You can't get like a
44:46
Jon: Mm-hmm.
44:47
Ryan: like do it unless it's like a personal friend maybe.
44:50
But even then, that's like a little tricky.
44:52
I, figured he started the role as well as directed.
44:55
that's a nice little tidbit there.
44:57
Jon: Yeah.
44:58
Kearns: are
44:58
Jon: Yeah.
44:59
Kearns: imagine that be difficult 'cause you are the owner and you
45:03
want the dog to react a certain way, but the dog feels safe near you.
45:06
So the dog's not
45:07
Jon: Mm-hmm.
45:08
Kearns: it's scared of what's in the woods.
45:09
I mean there seems they,
45:10
Jon: Mm-hmm.
45:11
Kearns: indie, getting shook worried and stuff like that.
45:15
And how do you conjure
45:17
Jon: Yeah.
45:18
Kearns: to get the wine from the dog without being cruel to the dog?
45:21
Like
45:21
Jon: Mm-hmm.
45:22
Kearns: work man.
45:23
Jon: I read a lot of the wines and stuff were put in post-production.
45:28
Kearns: That is smart.
45:30
Jon: Yeah.
45:31
Because, I mean, I think it's hard to get to ethically get any
45:36
dog to make some of those noises.
45:39
Kearns: Truth.
45:40
That's a good point.
45:44
Jon: All right.
45:44
So do you guys want to hear what some other people thought of?
45:47
Good boy.
45:48
Kearns: the end real quick.
45:49
'cause we gotta know, I gotta hear what you think about
45:51
Jon: Yeah.
45:54
Yeah.
45:54
All right.
45:55
Five stars.
45:56
What a brilliant concept.
45:59
Indy is such a good actor.
46:01
They did a fantastic job having him reflect the emotions needed.
46:05
We need more unique movies like this.
46:08
Here's to Hoping he wins an award.
46:11
Kearns: people out there that are hoping Indie is nominated, at the
46:14
very least for awards for this movie,
46:17
Jon: The The Dog Academy Awards.
46:19
Kearns: him up.
46:20
There was that other famous dog or dog that was kept getting put up next to
46:23
people awards, um, for horror awards.
46:28
It wasn't near, but
46:31
sorry, cat's chasing his tail right next to me.
46:32
It's definitely got my attention.
46:35
Um, so it's, I just find that interesting that that happened For starters.
46:41
Jon: The Pup Skis.
46:42
Kearns: called the pop skirts.
46:45
Jon: No, I just made that up.
46:47
Ryan: Give little tuxedos.
46:49
Jon: I think we should do that.
46:51
Zeno xAd presents the pup skis.
46:55
Kearns: Okay.
46:56
Ryan: honorary mention the huskies from the thing.
46:59
Kearns: Huskies I
47:03
Jon: There are a lot of dogs in movies.
47:05
We may revisit that topic in a little while.
47:07
one star boring and not scary at all.
47:14
Very repetitive scenes of just a dog looking and stuff.
47:18
Terrible acting waste of time.
47:23
Kearns: terrible
47:24
Jon: one.
47:24
This movie is an hour and 13 minutes.
47:27
Ryan: didn't waste it.
47:28
Jon: You've wasted.
47:29
This guy has wasted an hour and 13 minutes staring out the window.
47:33
This guy has probably spent an hour and 13 minutes trying to
47:36
figure out how to flush a toilet.
47:38
Ryan: I hope not.
47:39
Kearns: I was gonna say he's bold of you to assume
47:43
Ryan: Listen.
47:44
Kearns: this guy sounds like the type that keeps it around.
47:46
Ryan: he's the one who puts that Saran Wrap plunger
47:49
Kearns: There you go.
47:50
Ryan: around Instagram and they press through.
47:52
That's that
47:52
Jon: Oh yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's this guy.
47:57
Kearns: a
47:57
Jon: Or maybe it's this guy.
47:59
Half a star garbage.
48:03
The story goes nowhere.
48:05
And now that I think about it, it's started from nowhere.
48:09
Also, there was zero plot in this movie,
48:12
Kearns: start from nowhere
48:15
Jon: rotten Tomatoes to be ashamed of yourself.
48:18
Yes.
48:18
That last sentence, rotten Tomatoes, to be ashamed of yourself.
48:23
Ryan: be ashamed for writing that.
48:24
I, I mean, I. It's their story.
48:28
Like what would they say to the older films that were at least an hour and 12
48:34
minutes, like Frankenstein or Dracula, like the black and Whites, Dr. Jekyll,
48:39
Mr. Hyde, like, and they had story.
48:41
It's the same thing in the modern age
48:45
Kearns: I dunno.
48:46
Jon: I mean, they're, they, that's just somebody really didn't relate to the dogs.
48:51
I think like if you don't relate to indie, you're, it's gonna be tough.
48:57
Ryan: I'm just.
49:00
Kearns: Good
49:01
Jon: I mean, I mean, this, this sound, this sounds like somebody
49:04
who's interested in horror doesn't go much beyond the Warrens,
49:07
Kearns: Uh,
49:08
Jon: and that's, that's what it is.
49:13
Kearns: Damn you Blum
49:14
Jon: wasn't the conjuring, so I didn't like it.
49:16
Mm-hmm.
49:19
Kearns: All right.
49:20
Jon: All right.
49:24
Kearns: It's all you buddy.
49:26
Jon: Go ahead.
49:27
Kearns: I was gonna,
49:27
Jon: No, you wanted to, you wanted to, you wanted to double back to the ending, so.
49:31
Kearns: of the movie, Todd's Dead,
49:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
49:34
Kearns: get the big reveal.
49:35
Jon: Todd's dead.
49:36
Kearns: big reveal in the cellar about what happened to Todd's grandfather
49:39
and I know Bingo or whatever his grandfather's dog's name was.
49:44
I dunno what the dog is.
49:46
Jon: Oh.
49:46
I had, I think I have it somewhere in my notes, but I won't find it.
49:49
Kearns: And then, and then we get, we get something of a rescue for indie.
49:57
Okay.
49:57
So
49:57
Jon: Yes.
49:59
Todd's sister Vera.
50:02
Kearns: so what's, what's
50:03
Jon: Yes.
50:05
Kearns: of the ending of the movie?
50:07
What made it so good for you?
50:09
Jon: I think it's the loyalty, I think it's the love the dog has for
50:14
Todd that he doesn't try, he doesn't try to get out of the basement.
50:18
He sits and waits by those doors guarding Todd.
50:23
Kearns: And
50:24
Jon: That that's, that's what I get and that and that ultimately Indy will
50:29
continue to see Todd, like you can take this sort of sadness from that,
50:34
that you know, it's, he's lost his person or whatever, but just the way
50:40
Indy's looking out the window as he drives off with Vera sort of makes me
50:45
believe that he can still see Todd.
50:46
Kearns: of thing going on there,
50:49
Jon: Mm-hmm.
50:49
Kearns: would,
50:49
Ryan: with that.
50:50
Kearns: okay.
50:51
Jon: what I think.
50:51
Kearns: was, it was an impactful ending for John for that reason.
50:54
Do you have anything to spin on it?
50:56
Jon: Mm-hmm.
50:57
Kearns: Ryan.
50:58
Ryan: I, I agree with Allah, what John says.
51:01
especially like after the end credits rolls, there's another very
51:04
scenes of him sticking his head out and he goes through the woods
51:08
and you can hear Todd's whistle and
51:11
Kearns: Yeah.
51:12
Ryan: leads back to Vera.
51:14
But it's like.
51:16
It's a starting of a new bond.
51:18
he lost his person, but he still has another person in Vera.
51:22
And Vera was loyal to Todd as much as he pushed her away, just like he was
51:29
trying to push Indy away, finally had the courage to go through with it and find him
51:35
just as Indy was waiting to protect him.
51:38
Kearns: Yeah.
51:38
She was worried about Todd, the whole movie.
51:41
Ryan: it's, it's a, it's a
51:42
Jon: Yeah.
51:43
Ryan: it's nice how they get together and it's like, you
51:45
know, the dog's gonna be okay.
51:47
You know, Indy's gonna be okay, you know, everything's fine.
51:50
And it's, it's heartwarming for like, a horror film.
51:53
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
51:54
Ryan: you, sometimes
51:55
Jon: Oh, very.
51:56
Ryan: sometimes you want like gore and blood, but this is
52:00
like the perfect ending for it.
52:02
Kearns: I agree.
52:03
This is one of
52:03
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:04
Kearns: where suspense and filmmaking do a good job of making
52:08
it scary and spooky and you don't need gore and blood and all that.
52:13
for this particular film, just like at the end when Indy is, is next to
52:18
the dog that stayed and that dog let
52:22
Jon: Yes.
52:22
Kearns: basement.
52:22
Now why the dog let him into the basement
52:24
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:25
Kearns: up in the air too, that did that dog want Indy to die
52:28
with his owner too or something?
52:30
Or did he wanna save him?
52:32
That's
52:32
Ryan: safe.
52:33
Kearns: you think save.
52:34
I think so too.
52:35
I think that everything was pointing to Indy to live.
52:39
Jon: mm-hmm.
52:40
I don't necessarily think it's really either of those.
52:43
I think it's more he let him in so he could accompany Todd to the end.
52:50
Kearns: him at that point.
52:51
And then Vera
52:53
Jon: Yeah.
52:53
Kearns: sort of, now does she save Indy or does Indy choose to live?
52:58
That's the big thing with this because Indy could choose to sit
53:01
next to Todd and die with them.
53:04
Ryan: that's
53:05
Jon: he could, but I mean, I mean that's sort of, would fly in the face of Todd's
53:11
sort of final wishes to Indie too.
53:13
Kearns: that well
53:16
Jon: Yeah.
53:16
Kearns: specifically,
53:17
Jon: Yeah.
53:17
Kearns: it had
53:18
Jon: So.
53:18
Kearns: a little bit more than I might've thought this kind of movie
53:20
would have me thinking at the end, which I appreciated about this movie.
53:24
Jon: Mm-hmm.
53:25
Kearns: That's a good movie.
53:27
Jon: Yep.
53:28
Kearns: rate this.
53:28
SOB Boys.
53:29
What do you, what do you got on
53:31
Jon: Yeah.
53:33
Kearns: Out of five.
53:34
Ryan: out a five.
53:37
I'm gonna give it a five out of five.
53:41
Kearns: It's a perfect movie.
53:42
It's a perfect movie.
53:43
Ryan: is a perfect
53:44
Kearns: It's a perfect movie.
53:45
Everybody.
53:45
Ryan: I'm a, I'm a, I'm a dog owner.
53:48
I understand.
53:49
I relate to it very strongly.
53:51
Um.
53:52
Just the idea that your dog is your best friend.
53:57
They're always gonna be loyal and there's a connection.
53:59
And I could see my dogs in Indie and just how they, they are with
54:05
me and how Indie's with Todd.
54:07
And it's like, I'm sold.
54:10
So that's my
54:11
Kearns: We're gonna start calling Ryan's reviews are now
54:13
called the subjective review.
54:15
we're gonna call them.
54:17
Jon: Listen, listen, I can, I can, I can see a case, the way I rate movies
54:21
to say that this is a five also.
54:23
I won't, but I can see where like, 'cause this, this is one
54:28
of those that fits what it's,
54:30
Kearns: in another universe have given this a five.
54:34
Jon: it, it, it, it fits it, it does exactly what it sets out to do.
54:41
It doesn't overstay, its welcome.
54:43
It tells a story that has some emotional heft to it.
54:49
But that said, I think it's a four for me.
54:52
I think it's a really, really good movie.
54:54
I don't think it's perfect,
54:56
Kearns: you give it a
54:57
Jon: but I think
54:57
Kearns: Okay.
54:58
Jon: a four, no, I'm a straight for a straight for on this one.
55:02
I, it may go higher or watching it more.
55:06
'cause it's definitely something I'll revisit I had not immediately,
55:10
because I think it's something that needs room to breathe.
55:14
You need to take some space from it to, to come back to it.
55:18
Kearns: through at this one.
55:19
Jon: Mm-hmm.
55:20
Kearns: yeah, it's like in the Olympics
55:21
Jon: But yeah.
55:22
Kearns: challenge, like the challenging nature of the move is a certain
55:27
part of the score and then actually landing it as a part of the score.
55:32
This isn't that hard to
55:33
Jon: Yeah.
55:33
Kearns: as far as like what they did with the movie story and things like that.
55:37
Yeah.
55:37
It's difficult to do a movie with your dog over four or three
55:40
years, 400 days of shooting.
55:43
But like, can't give it higher than I'm giving it a four as well,
55:46
by the way, because I loved it.
55:47
Um, but it's just not, there's not enough to lift up the mountain mountaintop
55:52
to put it in the, in the echelon of the five star movies that exist.
55:55
I don't think I've given one five yet here.
55:59
Jon: Frankenstein, I think.
56:01
Kearns: did I give that a five?
56:02
Jon: I think Frank, I think Frankenstein might have swept with fives.
56:06
Kearns: I don't regret it.
56:07
Jon: I think I'd have to,
56:09
Kearns: like that was
56:09
Jon: I'd have to go back and make to make sure, but I,
56:12
Ryan: on that list we wrote, we would've stashed him over
56:15
Kearns: I would give, I would give Shape of Water a five, maybe.
56:18
I would give Frankenstein a five and not lose any sleep over it.
56:23
this is an amazing movie and it's definitely, if you guys haven't
56:26
seen it and you listen to this episode, shame on you first of all.
56:28
And second of all, go watch this movie.
56:29
It's really good.
56:31
It's really good.
56:33
Jon: and it's, it, it'll take you about the same length of time as
56:38
an episode of some TV show that you're not gonna pay attention to.
56:41
Kearns: of Dragons is this movie,
56:43
Ryan: Yep.
56:44
Kearns: so.
56:44
All right guys.
56:45
That was a good one tonight.
56:47
Ryan: That was
56:48
Kearns: enjoyed that.
56:50
All right, it's time for some
56:51
Jon: Yeah.
56:52
Kearns: some top fit, fit, if it is.
56:53
Ryan: top fives and I went the animal route.
56:57
I went with top five animals.
56:58
I, I went broad 'cause like
57:01
Kearns: He did top five broads.
57:02
Ryan: no top five broad animals.
57:05
Jon: That's sexist Ryan.
57:07
Ryan: animals, broad.
57:08
Jon: so, so it's female animals.
57:10
Ryan: broad.
57:11
So it's, it's all around.
57:12
It's all around.
57:13
And we're gonna start off.
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Kearns: Fat.
57:14
Female animals.
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Ryan: not that
57:17
Kearns: Why are they so round?
57:18
They're all
57:19
Jon: Oh,
57:19
Ryan: it's every animal.
57:21
It's
57:21
Jon: wow.
57:22
Ryan.
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Ryan: All
57:23
Kearns: Oh, okay.
57:24
Ryan: we're gonna start off with not the first one, which is a classic
57:29
starring Caring Black, but we're gonna go with the sequel, and that's
57:33
Trilogy of Terror Two, directed by Dan Curtis, starring Lizette Anthony.
57:37
And it goes, there's three stories with it.
57:40
The, uh, the Doll's the best, but we're gonna start off with
57:42
number one, the graveyard rats.
57:45
Basically a millionaire dies and his AV wife, who is having an
57:50
affair, um, basically sneaks into his crypt to steal some jewels.
57:54
And the rats get her
57:57
Kearns: They get her good.
57:58
Ryan: her.
57:58
Oh yeah, they
57:59
Kearns: Who's the real rat in that story though?
58:01
Is it the AV wife or is it the rodents that devour her soul?
58:05
Ryan: Lizette Anthony is, is the rat in that, in that feature?
58:09
Kearns: She's master splinter for sure.
58:11
Ryan: Which leads to my number four.
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It's a cult classic.
58:17
I love sneaks, so I have to include Anaconda.
58:21
I mean Jeff Lopez, ice Cube, John Voy, Eric Stotz, Jonathan Hyde.
58:26
Owen Wilson.
58:28
I think Danny
58:29
Kearns: Really did have a good cat.
58:30
God.
58:31
Ryan: it's excellent cast.
58:33
I mean, even John Voight's ponytail, but it's just not, it's horrible,
58:37
but it's horrible in a good way.
58:41
Jon: See, I don't think it's even horrible.
58:42
I think it's pretty good.
58:44
Ryan: Are you
58:44
Jon: I think Anacon like Anacondas one of those,
58:47
Kearns: a
58:47
Jon: it it, it sets out to do something stupid and it achieves it.
58:52
And you know what, I'm gonna say this too.
58:55
The Jack Black Paul Rudd one kind of fun.
58:58
Kearns: too.
58:59
Jon: I kind of enjoyed it.
59:01
Kearns: exactly what it, it, it tells you what it is from the beginning.
59:05
Jon: Yeah,
59:05
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
59:05
Jon: yeah.
59:07
It's kind of fun.
59:08
Kearns: It's not a horror
59:09
Jon: Listen, the No, no, the, the Anaconda sequels don't do are particularly good.
59:16
But the original Anacon Anaconda is a solid, solid movie.
59:20
Ryan: and like you get a young Owen Wilson, like, what else did like, I
59:23
think that same year he did the Haunting.
59:26
Kearns: Yeah, he was in a couple horror movies
59:28
Ryan: yeah,
59:28
Kearns: time.
59:29
Ryan: but be honest, number three, I'm happy I didn't, you know, I
59:34
stashed Sam Raey 'cause then I would've had to get rid of this movie.
59:37
And that's, uh, crawl, um, stars, K Esco Rio and Barry Pepper as a
59:44
daughter and father who along with their dog find themselves trapped
59:47
in a crawl space of their home and prayed upon alligators during a cat
59:50
category five hurricane in Florida.
59:53
Um, have you guys seen crawl?
59:56
Kearns: tried to,
59:57
Ryan: I tried to.
59:58
It's
59:58
Kearns: I couldn't not, I couldn't,
1:00:00
Ryan: it's so good like that.
1:00:02
You're
1:00:02
Kearns: I don't like it.
1:00:03
Don't like it.
1:00:05
Ryan: so good.
1:00:06
Like
1:00:06
Kearns: I don't like it.
1:00:07
Ryan: swimming around.
1:00:08
Kearns: Yeah.
1:00:08
I was like, okay.
1:00:10
Ryan: Well
1:00:11
Kearns: I wasn't a believer,
1:00:12
Ryan: if you don't like the waters and the alligators, do you prefer roads?
1:00:16
Kearns: I just didn't like the movie.
1:00:17
Oh, okay.
1:00:17
I see.
1:00:18
It's a lead in.
1:00:18
Yes, I do prefer roads.
1:00:21
Ryan: those roads?
1:00:21
Kearns: That was damn roads
1:00:23
Ryan: 'cause number two is pet cemetery.
1:00:25
Kearns: nice.
1:00:27
Ryan: so good.
1:00:27
And like you get the, the cat gets brought back to life, the
1:00:31
dog, and then you get into humans
1:00:32
Kearns: Church I,
1:00:34
Ryan: it's, so it's just, I might have to watch that tonight.
1:00:37
It's my sleeping movie.
1:00:39
Um, we
1:00:40
Kearns: that's not a good idea
1:00:41
Ryan: What, what do you mean?
1:00:42
Kearns: because, because inevitably at this, especially at this age, you
1:00:45
like this is a good idea and you're passing out and then some blood
1:00:48
curdling scream rips you up 15 minutes after you've actually hit REM sleep
1:00:53
and you're awake for four hours now.
1:00:56
Ryan: waiting to hear the footsteps.
1:00:58
Kearns: Exactly.
1:00:59
Ryan: I was waiting to hear the footsteps of the little kid with the scalpel
1:01:03
Kearns: Oh, also that's terrifying too.
1:01:04
That's a good point.
1:01:05
Ryan: right under
1:01:05
Kearns: That happened when I was sick.
1:01:07
I was, it was like a mid-afternoon passing out and I got jarred awake
1:01:11
by whatever was on TV being 10 times louder for a second and I was up again.
1:01:16
I was like, no.
1:01:17
I was like blissfully unconscious from my pain for a second.
1:01:20
God damn it.
1:01:23
Uh, anyway,
1:01:25
Ryan: Well, this is my number one, so this is gonna be painful.
1:01:30
And my number one is a classic directed by Alfred Hitchcock.
1:01:33
Kearns: Hitchcock,
1:01:35
Ryan: You gotta go with the birds.
1:01:37
And they're like the main attraction man in the horror film
1:01:41
Kearns: they are
1:01:41
Ryan: people killing people.
1:01:43
It's like
1:01:43
Kearns: their eyes out.
1:01:44
Ryan: Yes.
1:01:46
Jon: Yep.
1:01:47
Ryan: but that's my
1:01:48
Jon: Yeah,
1:01:49
Ryan: And we don't even know what happened, why those birds went crazy.
1:01:52
There's no answer.
1:01:55
Kearns: They should have done that when they're happening.
1:01:57
Chamal, M and Dingdong should have done that.
1:02:00
Ryan: yeah, he, he messed up, but
1:02:02
Kearns: He messed up a lot, a lot of different ways.
1:02:06
Jon: yeah,
1:02:06
Kearns: All right, it's,
1:02:07
Ryan: that's
1:02:08
Jon: yeah.
1:02:08
Ryan: five.
1:02:08
Kearns: John's top five times.
1:02:10
Good job Ryan.
1:02:11
Good job Ryan.
1:02:12
Ryan: Thank you.
1:02:12
Thank you.
1:02:14
Jon: My, my top five is not that dissimilar from Ryan's.
1:02:17
I focus on a single animal
1:02:20
Ryan: Not broad.
1:02:21
Jon: I went with,
1:02:23
Kearns: Not big
1:02:23
Jon: not broads,
1:02:24
Kearns: Female
1:02:25
Jon: mean, some of them, some, some of them might be, might be broads,
1:02:30
but they, it's, it's not that broad.
1:02:33
I went with um, top five good boys who live
1:02:38
Ryan: Oh.
1:02:38
Kearns: XXL.
1:02:42
Jon: top five good boys who live.
1:02:44
So I wanna start with, with three honorable mentions.
1:02:47
Two of them are honorable mentions because I put 'em on lists like
1:02:51
within the last month and a half.
1:02:53
Um, one of them is Nanuk from the Lost Boys and um, Barney from Gremlins.
1:03:03
And um, I want to acknowledge the gateway to horror.
1:03:06
That is Scooby Do.
1:03:08
Kearns: enough.
1:03:08
I,
1:03:08
Ryan: you could have put the movie on there.
1:03:10
Jon: SC Scoo, Scooby Doo and George Romero.
1:03:13
I don't consider the movie, I don't really consider Scooby to be horror.
1:03:17
I think he's horror adjacent.
1:03:19
It's more like scary mysteries.
1:03:21
Ryan: Scooby Doo, and Zombie Island.
1:03:22
My sir. That was a horror film.
1:03:25
I,
1:03:26
Jon: I haven't seen all the, all of those, but the,
1:03:28
Kearns: if I shared it with one of you or not, or you guys shared it with
1:03:31
me or whatever, but it's Velma she's in like a time thing with Scooby.
1:03:38
It's really trippy.
1:03:40
then he, he
1:03:41
Jon: I think I,
1:03:42
Kearns: her, like every, she realizes she's not the first
1:03:45
MEMA and he has to kill her.
1:03:46
Jon: yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:03:47
Yeah,
1:03:47
Kearns: out.
1:03:48
Jon: yeah, yeah.
1:03:50
I don't remember if you shared that with me or if I found it on my
1:03:52
own, but I've definitely seen that.
1:03:54
Yeah.
1:03:54
Kearns: up.
1:03:54
I like that.
1:03:55
Ryan: I gotta see that.
1:03:56
Kearns: We're gonna find it
1:03:57
Jon: Yeah, yeah.
1:03:58
Ryan: Oh, please.
1:04:01
Jon: So we'll start with number five, and it's Ebu from Poltergeist.
1:04:07
Ryan: Wait.
1:04:08
Oh, we
1:04:08
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:09
Ryan: Toby Hooper.
1:04:10
He doesn't exist.
1:04:13
Jon: I did not get rid of Toby Hooper.
1:04:15
Kearns: such
1:04:15
Jon: You clowns got rid of Toby Hooper.
1:04:18
I did not.
1:04:19
Ryan: universal.
1:04:21
Jon: I did not.
1:04:22
No, it's just for you guys.
1:04:25
It is just for No, no.
1:04:27
Wait.
1:04:27
You guys think these games apply to me?
1:04:30
Kearns: I thought there was the.
1:04:31
Jon: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1:04:33
This is all, this is all only in your, your worlds, your realms.
1:04:39
Do, do these movies no longer exist.
1:04:41
They, they still exist to me.
1:04:43
I, I am not, I am not endorsing some of the things you guys
1:04:47
have slashed over, over.
1:04:49
These games.
1:04:51
Ryan: it's a lot of re
1:04:51
Jon: Um, but back to, back to good boy Buzz.
1:04:55
Um, he's the traditional family dog.
1:04:57
He's loyal, he's protective, he's part vacuum, and he is damn cute.
1:05:02
Buzz also helps Carol Ann mourn her canary at the Canary funeral and he
1:05:07
helps find her when she vanishes.
1:05:10
Good boy, buzz.
1:05:12
Good boy.
1:05:13
Um, my number four, we're gonna get Barney on this list anyway because number
1:05:19
four is Gypsy in pumpkin Head, who is the same dog as Barney from Gremlins.
1:05:24
Kearns: I didn't realize that.
1:05:25
Cool.
1:05:26
Ryan: Okay.
1:05:27
Jon: I didn't either until I was looking off this list.
1:05:30
Um, so Gypsy is played by Mushroom, the same dog who played
1:05:34
Barney, so a two time hero pup.
1:05:37
Ryan: Nice.
1:05:37
Jon: Um, while Gypsy is inadvertently involved in the incident that leads
1:05:42
to the death of Billy Harley and the resurrection of Pumpkinhead,
1:05:45
he's a dog, so it's not his fault.
1:05:49
He is a dog.
1:05:50
It's not his fault and he's a good boy.
1:05:53
Ryan: He was just playing
1:05:54
Jon: Gypsy's a good boy.
1:05:56
Or maybe playing a girl in this, I'm not sure.
1:05:59
I feel like Gypsy is very often a girl name.
1:06:02
Um,
1:06:03
Ryan: both.
1:06:04
Kearns: I just don't
1:06:05
Jon: but I don't know.
1:06:06
I don't know.
1:06:07
Kearns: That's all I know about them.
1:06:08
Jon: I don't know.
1:06:08
Na na name me.
1:06:10
Name your dog, what you wanna name your dog.
1:06:12
My number three is a very good boy.
1:06:16
It's Toby from
1:06:17
Kearns: Um,
1:06:18
Jon: the 13th, part eight.
1:06:20
Jason takes Manhattan.
1:06:22
Toby.
1:06:24
Toby doesn't mess with danger though.
1:06:25
He flees.
1:06:28
He runs when there's danger, but that doesn't make him less of a good boy.
1:06:32
He's just a smart, good boy.
1:06:34
Kearns: With self preservation skills.
1:06:37
Jon: Yes, he's frightened by a vision of Jason drowning, but
1:06:41
Toby's true strength as is as an emotional support dog for Renny.
1:06:46
And he eventually gains enough courage to intervene when muggers come after her.
1:06:53
Good boy, Toby.
1:06:56
Um, my number two, we're gonna visit Ryan's list for, for our
1:07:01
good girl sugar from Crawl.
1:07:06
Yep.
1:07:06
So, I mean, Ryan ran it down pretty good.
1:07:09
I'll give you a another one.
1:07:11
Um, Alexander Aja Hurricanes, alligators, but sugar, the dog is arguably the biggest
1:07:17
hero, providing constant distractions from the hungry Gators so her newly
1:07:22
found people can escape good girl sugar.
1:07:29
And my number one,
1:07:31
Kearns: soundbite.
1:07:32
Jon: my number one.
1:07:33
Yep.
1:07:34
Ryan: my, uh,
1:07:34
Jon: Yeah.
1:07:35
May maybe the best, maybe the best good boy in any, in any horror movie.
1:07:42
It's Harry from the Amityville Horror,
1:07:47
the original 1979 version, because among, among its other
1:07:52
failures, the remake kills the dog.
1:07:55
Okay.
1:07:56
Kearns: You're right.
1:07:58
Yeah.
1:07:58
It's not okay.
1:08:00
Jon: Um, while his incessant barking bothers his family, it's a
1:08:05
warning that they don't listen to.
1:08:07
Remember we said it early in the episode?
1:08:10
Dogs and kids see the ghosts first.
1:08:14
Um, his warning falls on deaf ears, but our brave, good boy persists.
1:08:23
Good boy, Harry.
1:08:25
Ryan: Good job, Harry.
1:08:27
Jon: And that's my top five.
1:08:28
Good boys in horror who survive.
1:08:30
Kearns: that was a good one
1:08:31
Jon: And then there's a couple others.
1:08:33
There's a couple others.
1:08:34
I wa I was gonna do.
1:08:35
The hills have eyes, but it's only 50 50 on dogs that survive.
1:08:39
Kearns: gonna, yeah.
1:08:40
Okay.
1:08:42
We're not gonna honor that crap.
1:08:45
All dogs go to heaven.
1:08:46
Jon: I mean, listen, be Beast.
1:08:48
Beast is a good boy.
1:08:49
Beauty was a good girl.
1:08:51
Ryan: All
1:08:51
Jon: Poor beauty.
1:08:52
Ryan: You
1:08:53
Jon: RIP.
1:08:54
Kearns: Throwing that out there, had to throw that out there.
1:08:56
That was scarring too.
1:08:58
We were kids, man.
1:08:59
We didn't even, we
1:08:59
Jon: Yeah.
1:09:00
Kearns: that crap.
1:09:00
Our parents made us watch that.
1:09:02
Ryan: before time.
1:09:03
Kearns: I,
1:09:05
Jon: The amount of scarring I got as a seventies and eighties kid water.
1:09:10
Water shipped down at like eight years old.
1:09:13
Kearns: it's there.
1:09:14
The fact that nobody like taught them that, just 'cause there's animals in the
1:09:17
movie doesn't mean it's a kid's movie.
1:09:20
Although all dogs go to Heaven was a kid's movie, but still
1:09:24
Ryan: it, yes.
1:09:25
Kearns: watership
1:09:26
Jon: Watership down, bro.
1:09:27
Whoa.
1:09:28
Kearns: We watched that in school, but like
1:09:30
Jon: Oh
1:09:31
Kearns: like ninth graders to eighth grade or something.
1:09:34
Ryan: John's
1:09:34
Kearns: who?
1:09:36
Ryan: from
1:09:36
Kearns: right guys.
1:09:37
Jon: no.
1:09:38
I If, if we wa, if we watched that when I was in school, I
1:09:41
think I cut that whole unit.
1:09:43
Ryan: year.
1:09:43
April Fool's Day.
1:09:44
Xenomania.
1:09:45
Watership down.
1:09:47
Kearns: Uh, let's see.
1:09:48
Jon: Hell no.
1:09:51
I am never watching that movie again.
1:09:54
Kearns: this, but for that, for this week, guys, that was good.
1:09:57
Boy.
1:09:58
I hope you enjoyed it.
1:09:59
We're getting outta here.
1:10:00
Ryan: Have a going, guys.
1:10:05
Jon: Hey.
1:10:05
Yeah.
1:10:05
Kearns: All right.
1:10:06
Be very afraid
1:10:19
Be very afraid