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Episode 8: Shyish, The Realm of Death · The Bad Moon's Orbit

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Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Bad
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Moon's Orbit. I am your Warhammer aficionado,
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Dalton Montgomery. And I'm Darren Smart, I'm pretty
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sure Warhammer just what happens when soldiers drink too much.
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Excellent. If you joined us last time we
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talked about Guy ran the effervescent realm of life and
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it's patron deity, Ilario the Ever Queen.
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She keeps the title Ever Queen, by the way, in the New World.
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That's fair, Yeah. Yeah, she's now she.
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I feel like she is now truly the.
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Ever. Yeah, she's just forever.
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The forever Queen if. You will.
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Yeah. And this episode we hinted at
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last time. This episode we were following
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Sigmar into the dark, deep pits of Shayish.
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Let's fucking go Darian spelling corner.
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I don't love Shayish, which is a shame because usually I don't
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like them because they aren't being like they don't they they
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don't use the right letters for the sounds they want to make,
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and I feel like this one uses exactly the right letters for
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the sounds it wants to make, but I just don't like the way those
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letters look together. That's fair.
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Also the Brits are really out here being like it's pronounced
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he ran but shy ish. But you're still using the HY in
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both of them, and I don't tolerate that.
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Darian, after recording our last episode, mentioned that we
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forgot to do our game thing that we like.
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Yeah. Did, yes.
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I have one to start if you'd like.
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Since we are going to be venturing to the realm of death
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today, I think I'll mention how one of my favorite tabletop RPGs
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handles death. So I am a huge fan of a tabletop
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RPG called Dungeon World. It is a classic fantasyification
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of the Apocalypse World system, Powered by the Apocalypse
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system, if you will. It's kind of old at this point.
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It's probably close to a decade old at this point, which isn't
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super old, but it's old for tabletop RPGs.
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That's old for media. I would say a decade, yeah.
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For sure. Granted, Tazz is celebrating its
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10th anniversary this year. That's.
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I mean, one of the things I like about it is when you, when your
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character dies in Dungeon World, it is a role.
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So you you hit zero and then you make a roll of the dice.
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You don't add any modifiers to it because death doesn't care
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how cool you are. And the outcome is dependent
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upon what you roll. There is a chance.
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And then after you make that roll, you play out a scene of
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your character meeting death. And that can mean, like if you
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rolled really well, that can mean maybe you get a chance to
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circumvent your fate or delay your fate in Return of the World
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if you roll. Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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Shoots and ladders. If you were all neutrally,
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you're probably dead. But it's a it's a peaceful, it
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is a transitory death. Welcoming you as an old friend
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and rolling poorly is just like, well, make a new carrot.
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Death took you. It wasn't pleasant, but I always
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thought that when that came out, that was a very unique thing I
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was very used to. Like I cut my teeth on Burning
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Wheel and then 5th edition D&D, both of which are, yeah, right,
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both of which are very much like, all right, you're dead
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systems. So I thought that was a very
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interesting thing when it first came out.
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Yeah, that's really cool that the opportunity to give your
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character ending, Yeah, even if it's not the ending you wanted,
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absolutely the ending the dice wanted.
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But you still, it's a role-playing game.
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You still get the opportunity to role play at the end.
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Absolutely nice. Absolutely.
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It always makes me think of part of the reason I like it.
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Is your friend Dalton is a apparently just a huge fan of
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British fantasy properties? Because my favorite author ever
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is Terry Pratchett. Interesting.
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And that is also a very common thing that happens in
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Pratchett's work. Is that when a major character
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dies they will meet death? 'Cause he's got death as an
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established dude. Like we, we the reader know who
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Death. Yeah, yeah, that's our buddy.
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That that shows up a lot. But even in books where he's not
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like a focal character, like when someone dies, he's probably
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there. And after a certain point in
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other books that I won't spoil, pretty much every time someone
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meets death, they're standing in just a field of wheat, like both
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of them, like kind of chest high we.
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And that is where they have their kind of final conversation
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before death takes them wherever they're going.
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And so that's always how I've pictured it, like in that game
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as well as like, yeah, you wake up in just this just endless
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expanse of like a wheat field, and then you go on to whatever
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is next. That's very good.
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OK. Yeah.
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So I am actively just trying not to talk about Neil Gaiman's
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death because it's not to help with RPG whatsoever.
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But we unbroked Pratchett, we unbroked death.
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It's. True.
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I think it's open. I think it's fine we're.
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Sitting in a room that has not one, not 2, not 3, but four
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pieces of Death of the Endless from the from the Sandman.
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I like literal physical things, but I I five, I forgot the pin I
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have in my work landed 5 beautiful.
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No, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.
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I just want to do the listener to know that the studio AK in my
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bedroom in which we record does possess like a bunch of of this
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is who I am as a person. So if you thought, hey, Darian
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seemed like weirdly excited to go to the realm of the dead in
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the last episode, Yeah, it's just because my favorite
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character in fiction is literally death.
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So like, I don't know what to tell you.
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I'm sure I'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about
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parasol pen in it. I want to talk since I invoked
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Taz, I'm going to do that. But specifically tying it into
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the concept of death and endings.
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I just want to talk about the Adventure Zone as what I feel
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like is one of the best endings I've ever encountered in
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storytelling. And no spoilers cuz it's like
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what you're gonna talk about the ending.
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I just this week as we're recording Lore Olympus finished,
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which is one of my other favorite stories.
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I'm also doing mythology podcast.
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I think a lot about myths, but specifically the way in which we
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hold on to these stories, retell them and recontextualize them as
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we go on and how those changes reflect what we're trying to do.
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And I feel like Lore Olympus does this masterfully.
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And it was I the last several updates were just so like I was
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losing. Like Dalton saw me read the
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second to the last update as I was losing my mind.
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And then the finale happens and it was good and it was
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satisfying and it made me happy. But I was just like, huh, I have
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no complaints, but I and I felt disappointed, which was unfair
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to the media because it had done everything it was supposed to
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do. I just felt disappointed because
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the previous ones had been so Oh my God, Oh my God, Oh my God,
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mind blowing, mind blowing, mind blowing.
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And this was just everybody gets their happy ending spoilers.
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The nice romance web comic gave everyone a happy ending like
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Yikes, I guess. Sorry gang, but I was like, oh,
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maybe it's no, because I do think I get to be a little bit
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like, ah, that didn't hit quite the beats I wanted.
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And why? Because Griffin goddamn McIlroy
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exists and it doesn't matter that I have listened to the
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Adventure Zone Balance 6 * I cry every time.
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And I just the ability of a collaborative storytelling to
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for the players to come with these pieces.
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And when they're in the hands of a good DM who trusts them and
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they trust each other to take those pieces, put them together
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and make something that will make strangers cry.
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A decade after you first did it, I guess.
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Eight years after they did it for two years.
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Yeah, I just, I know endings and how strong endings and the end
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of things. It can be sad and it can be
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wonderful. Yeah, I've, I've always said I
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think the the most interesting part of a story is when it ends.
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Like I'm a big proponent of like concise, like you told the
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story, now you're done. Are.
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You good endings? Yes, absolutely.
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I am someone who I get so vexed with the ravenous demand of
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fandom to I want more, we need more, we need more, we need more
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and it's like, but why it it was so good and it wasn't canceled
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and it wasn't a cliffhanger and it wasn't there are dangling
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elements. It was told in its entirety and
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it was good and why is it not enough to be satisfied with
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something that was whole and good?
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100% I'm looking at you Good Omens.
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Me too. Listen.
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Maybe I'll feel different when Season 3 comes out, but at this
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point in time, I'm still just. I'm not going to air that
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grievance so shyish. Shyish.
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Sigmar travels to Shyish and the.
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Spelling I Now that I'm looking at it, I actually think it's
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kind of cute. Yeah, that's fair.
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That word is kind of cute, yeah. It's it's nice.
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It's also got kind of a shh. I kind of want to put.
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It in like. The pocket of my little flannel
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right here and just be able to check on it like little Jake the
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dog. Wonderful.
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Sigmar travels to Shyish. The Realm of death is absolutely
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it is epitomized as endings appropriately, right.
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Not only is this the the place of death for mortals, for living
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things, it is a place that exemplifies all things for all
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things. Not orcs.
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Yeah, not orcs, though Orcs are reincarnate.
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We haven't super talked about this previously because but it
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bears mentioning here. Each of the realms is associated
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with their like typical magics. Each of them is also associated
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with a color, which I just think is fun.
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That ages ago. That sounds familiar.
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Like it probably came up in a previous one.
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Like I guess bright isn't a color, but like a wizard who
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practices action magic, fire magic is a bright wizard.
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Daish is amethyst. You are an Amethyst wizard, if
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you. Yeah.
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February girl is united. Amethyst is the magic of Shaish
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and like I said. Amethyst is also the color of
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your energy. It's true, Shaish represents
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endings in contrast to Guy Ran, where Guy Ran is all about the
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cyclical. It's all about a thing being an
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ending. Oh damn it, I'm so sorry.
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Amber is the color of energy I did need to corrupt.
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I'm so sorry for interrupting. I did was like, wait, hold on,
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that might have been. We made a reference.
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It's good, yeah. The color of Shayish's energy,
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at the very least. Yes, I said Shayish.
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If guy ran is cycles, it's things coming and going.
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It's regrowth, Shayish's endings.
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People live on Shayish, but they like people who die on shayish
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become undead. Their bodies cannot like go into
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the ground and like create new nutrients for new life.
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They just have to exist in this state of nothingness forever.
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That's existential horror, yeah. Cities built on Chaish will be
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built and they will exist for a while and then they will like
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people will abandoned them and then they will crumble into ruin
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because it cannot continue to be like the power of Chaish.
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You will, literally. Can't live here.
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No, it's. Get in the corner and go to the
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place where the trees will eat. It's really bad to live on
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Chaish. Can someone?
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Physically be born here, Yes. How?
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Bad. Bad.
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OK, people born on Shayish or dour there, they'd have no
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there. I mean, people born on Shayish,
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you're depressed. We'll just call it what it is.
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Like it's it's there's no hope for the cycle.
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There's no hope for things to get better.
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In addition to its living population, Shayish is also
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literally the afterlife. Oh, uncomfortable, right?
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Anyone who dies in any of the other realms, their soul travels
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to Shayish. And belief hasn't some kind of
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unspoken power in AOS. Like that is the power by which
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like Sigmar became a God for example, right?
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Like you did a great deed and belief elevated him to godhood.
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People in the mortal realms and the rest of the realms, they'll
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have their cultural traditions about like what happens after
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you die. They'll have their like minor
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religious beliefs about the afterlife.
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Those intermingled with amethyst magic, intermingled with the
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power of Shahish will form those afterlifes in Shahish.
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OH. OK.
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I like that I vibe with that. Yeah.
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So if you are like from a culture that imagines kind of a
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Valhalla esque, like feasting hall and warrior culture after
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you die, probably from actually because they're into that kind
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of thing that that place exists on Shayish and when you die,
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you'll go there. Cool souls.
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We we talked about how like new people formed in the realms
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after the end times where all the souls just got kind of like
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blended and then doled out again.
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So it's not the same people. It's just like soul being
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redistributed after you've been like a soul in the afterlife in
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Shayish for however long, your soul just kind of fades back
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into the A there it becomes new raw material for new souls.
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That's kind of the so even though Shayish is against like
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renewal, life is stronger than that.
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Life is bigger than that. And so your soul's final resting
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place is Shayish. But you will like that Essence
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will go on to be something more eventually.
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OK, cool. Yeah, it's neat.
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It's a good system there, hundreds of thousands of after
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lives on Chaish for every cultural belief system, split
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across like any kind of divisions you can think of.
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Obviously humans have thousands, dwarves have thousands.
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Elves don't really have after lives at this time because
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they're still kind of new and they live a long time.
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So I don't think. About that very much.
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No, yeah, my favorite example is that trolls, who we haven't
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really talked about much yet, trolls have it afterlife.
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OK. Trolls in Warhammer.
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I can't believe this is the episode I'm going to talk about
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trolls. Yeah, I was surprised you trolls
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are around, but we've never like trolls.
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Yeah, Trolls existed on the Old World.
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They were kind of a weird, like they they predate the Old Ones,
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like Dragons. They've always been there.
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Trolls are different in the New World.
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We are in the Mortal Realms. We don't know how they got here.
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OK, but they were also here before a lot of stuff and
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they're not really they're very weird, but to to get to the by
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and large of it in the same way that like a demon is like a
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creature of magic where they're like immaterial in their base
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function, trolls are a creature of like yes, like trolls are
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like an existence element. A troll just is, and they like
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that they, they don't really do stuff.
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You can provoke them and then they'll get mad at you, but
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otherwise they're just kind of chill.
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Most trolls will spend their entire lives, which can be
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thousands of years long, like sleeping in a cave somewhere,
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coming out to eat occasionally. And a lot of them eat rocks.
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So they literally don't even have to do that.
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They can just, yeah, sit in their cave and sleep.
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They have an afterlife. It's called droog.
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It's a big cave, Yeah, that's the whole thing.
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It's just. A big cave.
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It's just a big cave with enough room for all of them to find a
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quiet spot to sleep. I.
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Like that. I like that for the trolls.
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Yeah, they're, they're having a good time.
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So there's all these afterlife spread out across Shayish.
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And again, like stagnation is the overwhelming force of
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Shayish. Things don't change things only
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like crumble and stay like the same OK also does after like I
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said those afterlife are physically in shayish so like
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you can go to him. OK.
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Yeah, right. That.
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Means very little at that point. You would think it's hard for a
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soul to leave Shayish. OK, so it's we can't have like
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an Orpheus situation where like you go and yeah, you take your
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love out of Shayish, but you could go be with your love in
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Shayish. But it's a bet you don't want to
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not. What you want to do?
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Absolutely. It's it's very hard on the
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living to like exist within Chaish for a very long for sure.
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But again, there's a lot of undead dead bodies just turn
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into undead naturally in Chaish. Cool.
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Yeah, right. We're.
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Kind of undead, like zombies or like vampires.
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Zombies. Skeletons.
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We don't have vampires yet, but we're going to soon.
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And sentient undead do happen in Chaish.
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There's a lot of mindless undead just like this is a body
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reanimated by. Dark magic.
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Yep, this is skeleton, but we have ghouls, we have some
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skeletons who just are sentient, like they keep their wits after
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they die. Yeah, right.
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And of the human populations, of the like mortal populations that
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live on Shayish, having undead members of the community is not
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uncommon, both in the sense of like we have these mindless
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undead to work the fields who we just kind of like point in the
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direction and hook into the equipment.
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But also like the town constables, a skeleton and like,
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we have to like, infuse him with amethyst magic occasionally.
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So he doesn't like go mindless or fall apart, but he's just as
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much a member of the community as anyone else.
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OK OK OK, here's the thing though.
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Now I will vacation in Shayish because it is Halloween town
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from the night borough. A little bit, yeah.
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And I'm like, I'm a spooky bitch.
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Yeah, whatever. I'm already a depressed spooky
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bitch. So you don't.
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You don't want to live in Shayish but it's OK.
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Amazing. Yeah, Halloween.
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Some people go to sleepy Hot Hollow.
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Absolutely. I go to Shayish.
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Absolutely so. Where would Sleepy Hollow be in
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the Mortal Realms? I'm gonna say it's not in
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Shayish, but it's near a realm gate to Shayish and like the
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undead comes to the realm gate, like the horseman comes to the
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realm gate. Absolutely.
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Cause terror. Hey, I love the Headless
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Horseman. Yeah.
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And I just think he's great. He's so good.
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He's so good. He's so good.
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So that's that's kind of shayish in a nutshell.
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It's a covered in these afterlives.
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It's covered in these very depressed people and their
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skeleton friends. Me, I'm a very depressed person.
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My skeleton is my friend. And Sigmar arrives here, he sees
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all this and like he's watching. He's we we says name last
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episode. He is looking for Nagesh because
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he doesn't know what that meeting is going to be like.
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They did not part on good terms. Worst terms in the guy that
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killed his God. Yes, but he doesn't find the
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gash in the flesh. Well, no, he's a skeleton.
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Yeah, he has a skeleton, but he finds he he's basically drawn to
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the center of the realm, where there's this massive burial
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Cairn emanating raw amethyst magic.
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It is almost unbearable. There's nothing with it, like
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miles of it, because it's just unbearable to be anywhere near.
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But Sigmar, being a God, pushes through and he's like, OK, yeah,
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that is where he is. And he unearths this burial.
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Hey, this is some like Adventure Time Lich stuff.
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Maybe Jones. He unearths this burial cache
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and he unearths Nagash, the supreme necromantic.
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He's got a visual reference on there somewhere.
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He's big spooky. Oh, I like this.
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Sands of Time, yeah. That's very good and landscape.
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Is this him? That's him.
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This this fucking celestial looking motherfucker right
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there. Damn, he's just a big
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Skellington and he kind of looks like he's got Skellington
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tentacles. He does a little bit, yeah.
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And there are books. He's just got books.
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He's got a vaguely Egyptian aesthetic.
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He does the headpiece. Then it'd be important.
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Yeah. And.
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That Whoa, tell me more. Yeah, I was going to say.
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So let's talk a little bit about Nagash SO.
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Yeah, where'd he come from? Yeah, so in the world that was
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Nagash is he's by far the oldest human.
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Like still relevant in the setting.
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Nagash was human originally. He was just a guy.
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Yeah, he was just a guy originally.
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He is probably older than Tyrion and Techless.
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He's he's a contemporary of Marathi, we know.
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Yeah, but after the Old Ones, but before the founding of the
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Empire. Like Sigmar's Empire, the act
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that made him a God. There was a human Kingdom.
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It was the first. Like proper human Kingdom, like
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humans moving out of tribes. Yep, and it is called Neharaka.
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Yeah, absolutely. It was called Neharaka.
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Nehkara. Nehkara Yeah, it was.
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Yep. It was a strong.
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It was. Super Egyptian, absolutely.
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Nekara was the first like proper human civilization.
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They were along the River Nile equivalent and so they invented
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agriculture. This is my new favorite.
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Oh it's so good. I love Nekara.
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They rose to be a power in the region and they they eventually
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settled into a place where like business as usual, stuff was
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good. They had pushed out their like
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rivals in the area. They had a strong farming
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culture and like priesthood and all of the like managerial and
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like trade stuff that you associate with like what made
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Egypt a powerful nation and their leader at that time.
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A man who I'm only going to say one of his titles chat.
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What? The king, at that time, a man
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named it Cetra, the Imperishable.
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Yeah, OK man, sure. His big thing, and I'm not going
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to say the rest of them because I don't know them and it would
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take us all day. His big thing is that he has
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over 100 Canon titles. Sure, man.
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Yeah, and people will like love to and any conversation where he
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shows up on like Reddit or whatever, people will post like,
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oh, do you mean Cetra the imperishable just.
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All of the epitaphs. Every single epitaph, which is
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great. It's very.
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Fun. That's super funny.
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You know you got to. Oh absolutely go for them.
22:50
But Cetra was the king at the time and he said cool,
22:52
everything's chill. I hate the fact that I'm going
22:55
to die, like I can't cope with it.
22:59
Hey man, just invent some hobbies.
23:03
Yeah, right. Like the rest of us.
23:05
He he's a very like prosperous king.
23:07
He's one of the like great kings of Niharaka or Nekharaha.
23:11
I'm not going to say it right ever again, but he founds what
23:16
will come to be known as the Mortuary cult.
23:18
Oh OK, sure man. Yeah, which is a it's like an
23:21
official branch of government, basically.
23:23
And they are tasked with delving the mystical arts in search of
23:27
ways to extend the human lifespan.
23:29
Don't do that. Yeah.
23:31
Yeah, right. Never goes well.
23:33
Never. Never once.
23:34
No, it doesn't work for Cetra. He dies before they find any
23:37
great. Like discoveries.
23:38
OK, but over the centuries they make discoveries, they learn new
23:42
knowledge, they gain some mastery of the amethyst wind of
23:45
magic, the wind of death to stave off death, and a lot of
23:49
kings after Cetra have a naturally long lifespan.
23:52
They're able to preserve them and prevent it.
23:56
Man, poor, poor Cetra. Right, Poor Cetra.
23:58
He he, I guess not. Not quite so imperishable, huh?
24:01
Right. So jump forward, I don't know,
24:05
like 506 hundred years probably. OK, And we have a young boy,
24:08
Nagesh, who is the first son of the king.
24:11
OK? As is tradition in Nahenkaran
24:13
society, the first son is forced to join the Mortuary cult.
24:18
Oh shit, OK, I was not prepared. Right, right.
24:20
He does not get to be. You don't get to be air, you
24:24
have to join the death cult. Yes, so Nagash gets pushed into
24:27
the Mortuary called his younger brother who he hates is placed
24:31
in line for the throne. For like a specific reason or
24:34
just for jealousy reasons? Just for jealousy reasons pretty
24:37
much we're we're going to see a big through line of Nagashi and
24:40
just kind of generally petty and again the hello, you were born
24:46
first go study death magic probably isn't like a great
24:49
while your brother gets to be king probably isn't a great
24:51
start, but. I could imagine it would be if
24:54
it was flipped, you'd feel the same way, right?
24:56
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
24:58
So Nagash joins the Mortuary cult, which is as as intended as
25:03
a tradition. He learns the secrets of the
25:05
Mortuary cult, how to supernaturally extend the life,
25:07
but it's not enough for him. Of course it's not.
25:10
He, he can see, he thinks the Mortuary cult is like they're
25:15
resting on their laurels, like he learns everything he can from
25:17
them. But by this time they've kind of
25:19
stopped making new discoveries. They've kind of pushed the
25:22
limits of what they're willing to do.
25:24
And so he says, there's more, I can see more threads here.
25:27
Y'all just aren't willing to follow them.
25:30
And we, we need something else to jump start here.
25:33
And this is how we know he's a contemporary of Marathi because
25:37
he finds some dark elves. So this is after the split, he
25:42
finds some dark elves that have been taken prisoner because they
25:46
were trying to infiltrate like the Royal Courts and stuff.
25:50
And this is we're going to put one up on the the bad dude
25:53
counter for Nagash. He tortures the secret of ol
25:56
Gooey and magic out. Of.
25:59
Not great, not great. So it's a one on our Yikes
26:02
counter for Nagash and that counter is going to skyrocket
26:05
there in a little bit. He's not a good dude.
26:09
So Nagash learns the secrets of like shadow magic from them and
26:14
he uses that specifically the power.
26:20
He uses shadow magic's ability to create falsehood to
26:25
manipulate and create illusion, and mixes it with his
26:29
understanding of the Mortuary cults magic to invent
26:33
necromancy. He.
26:37
Said he was a supreme necromancer.
26:39
Yep, I but he invented the practice.
26:43
The very first. OK, Yep.
26:45
Hell yeah. He, like I said, necromancy in
26:48
Warhammer is a mix of Shayashi and an old gooey and magics
26:51
because it is the manipulation of death, but it is also the
26:54
false life of the undead and right cool.
26:56
Very cool actually, right? Yeah, it's very good.
26:59
So Negash figures that out. He schemes a little bit.
27:03
He pulls the CUDA overthrow his brother.
27:05
Yeah, of course he does. That's clearly what he wanted.
27:07
To do from the jump, absolutely he gets some.
27:10
Did he? It's shocking this is the first
27:14
time it had happened in almost 600 years.
27:16
Hey older brother, you don't get to be king.
27:19
Go learn creepy death magic. Hey, younger brother, why don't
27:23
you just be king? Do you know magic?
27:27
Doesn't sound like it. Right.
27:29
You would think it would have happened before this, but Nope.
27:32
So. I gotta assume there was
27:34
something in their childhood that had him be like Nah, fuck
27:36
this guy in particular but he was just a petty bitch.
27:39
He's pretty much just petty. Yeah, so.
27:42
He's Pharaoh King. Yes, he well, I think his coup
27:46
like I think he kills his brother, but I think his coup
27:48
largely fails like he or no, no, no, sorry, big ashes.
27:52
History is so fucking wild. OK, OK, so his coup succeeds and
27:56
he is installed as king of Nahenkara and he immediately
28:04
like like his coup succeeded but he does not have the support of
28:07
the populace. They're like what the hell is
28:08
this? He is using necromancy to like
28:10
win this coup. He is actively pulling.
28:13
Nahenkara has a very strong respect for their dead as like a
28:18
cultural thing, and he is. Yeah, I was going to say it is
28:21
not just pulling like the recently dead out of graveyards,
28:24
it is pulling the anciently dead out of like Crips and people are
28:29
not chill with that. No, for like a lot of reasons
28:33
I'm sure. Oh yeah.
28:34
Oh yeah. So he is immediately.
28:37
He's like, OK, I am an enemy of the people already.
28:39
Cool. I am going to start building.
28:43
Social services and structures to elevate my people so they
28:49
feel secure in this the society where they can thrive.
28:53
You would hope. No, he's going to start building
28:56
a big ass pyramid. I assumed they already had
29:02
pyramids. They did.
29:04
Yep, that's where the the Kings were buried.
29:06
Like, yeah, but there was a 5050 that this dude, in addition to
29:09
inventing necromancy, also invented pyramids.
29:12
So like I just want to declare that's.
29:14
Fair Nagash begins construction on what he calls the Black
29:17
Pyramid of. Course it's called the.
29:18
Black Pyramid. It is constructed out of warp
29:21
stone is calcified magic, so. Very cool.
29:26
Yeah. When one magic imbues itself
29:28
into like a physical state, it turns into warp stone.
29:31
Even a little bit of warp stone. One place is really dangerous.
29:35
Warp stone, yeah. You understand why?
29:39
I asked. Even a little bit of warpstone
29:42
in one place is like, extremely dangerous.
29:44
And he built a pyramid on it. Yeah, he built a giant ass
29:47
pyramid out. A single block is tons, like 15
29:49
tons. You can just put it in your
29:51
pocket. No, like a little jig, friend.
29:53
So he he uses necromancy to construct the Black Pyramid.
29:57
He is like in the process of building the Black Pyramid.
30:00
Yeah. And also I'm I'm like going
30:02
super. As an opportunity to like create
30:06
like a boost in the economy by high.
30:08
He just had the undead mummies. That the reason everyone's kind
30:11
of pissed about him in the 1st place to continue to do unpaid
30:15
slave labor. Yeah, you, you are.
30:17
You have fully dodged like Nagash's personality.
30:20
Nagash did not go oh the people hate me.
30:23
I should fix that by being a better ruler.
30:25
Nagash went the people hate me. I am going to kill everyone and
30:29
turn the visions into a dead who I have completely control over.
30:34
OK. OK, so he killed everyone in his
30:37
building, his death pyramid, No. The pyramid The pyramid the.
30:40
Black Pyramid is the death pyramid, yes.
30:42
I see the black pyramid specifically.
30:45
He hates his brother and tortured some elves for their
30:47
magic secrets. Like I knew he wasn't going to
30:49
actually be like I should be a better ruler.
30:51
Like this is a running gag where I'm just assuming this doesn't
30:54
go well for him. And if he had just decided well
30:57
now I have all I wanted let's make sure what what did you
31:00
want? Like this is the thing.
31:01
OK, here's here's the thing that like, and I get it's just greed
31:06
and hubris and malice, but like if you work so hard to be king,
31:11
like what did you want? And you just and you now you are
31:14
ruler and knowing it and you just just want to make it just
31:17
just just for vanity. Like you didn't want to do
31:20
anything with it. You didn't want to lead, you
31:21
didn't want to do diplomacy, you didn't want to do connections.
31:23
You didn't believe you would be a better king.
31:25
You just wanted like it's Scar, right?
31:28
He didn't believe he would be a better ruler for Pride Lens and
31:32
Mufasa. He just wanted to be king.
31:35
At least we have Loki over there.
31:37
And when he took over Asgard, he like elevated local theater.
31:42
Right. So like.
31:44
No, Nagash. It's just my biggest and I get I
31:46
understand why it is I I get it it's real but also it just
31:50
pisses me. The fuck?
31:51
Off he very much and there's going to be a running thing.
31:54
Nagash just wants to be in charge.
31:56
He wants the title of being the most in charge and he wants to
32:01
have no one. He wants 100.
32:03
He can. Tell him to what to do.
32:04
Yeah, I see. So he he builds.
32:09
Absolutely. OK, I see we've zeroed in on it.
32:11
He was the oldest brother who didn't get to be king and now he
32:14
needs to feel better than everyone else because he got
32:17
sent away to the death cults. Yep, and I'm sure they also
32:20
forgot his birthday. Probably, we don't know for
32:23
sure. So he constructs the black
32:27
pyramid. It is going to kill everyone in
32:29
Nahankara and turn them into undead as he is nearing.
32:32
And like again, for people who know the story better, I'm speed
32:35
rating a lot of it because there's a ton of Nagash history.
32:38
What did the people think he was doing?
32:40
I mean they they knew he was doing something shitty but he
32:44
had an army of undead as his back.
32:46
No, I'm not saying they would rise up.
32:48
I'm saying they would skip town. Oh yeah, a lot didn't.
32:51
Yeah, they're the spoilers, the reason we like, know much about
32:55
ancient Nankara as the people who skipped because the gash
33:01
builds that black pyramid. And as it is being completed,
33:05
we're going to have our first real visit to the story.
33:08
But some people who have been conspicuously absent so far in
33:11
this story, Scaven fuck it up. The rat.
33:15
The rat people. The rat people, Yeah, Oh my God,
33:19
the rat people. Yeah.
33:20
So not for an altruistic reason, no, no.
33:22
No, no, because they don't get, they don't have the the
33:26
societies didn't respect them enough.
33:28
Scaven Revere Warpstone they they have it's it's like their
33:33
it's like their main natural resource during and approaching
33:37
the end timescaven were some of the best engineers on the planet
33:41
using warpstone as their main like fuel source.
33:44
A lot of Scaven eat warpstone which fucks them up terribly.
33:50
It's not a cool thing. It's a it's a compulsion.
33:53
It's it's like 1/2 and half because the most powerful scaven
33:55
wizard in existence eats warpstone.
33:58
He's addicted to it, but it does also make him crazy, so all
34:02
right. Cool, cool, cool.
34:04
Man like Nikesh had to Plumb like scaven tunnels and mines
34:07
and stuff to get all that warp stone and so they send one of
34:11
their clans, Clan Etchen, to sabotage the black pyramid right
34:15
as it's being completed and they do.
34:18
OK, I love it. But they don't really know,
34:21
like, what they're doing. They just sabotage it.
34:24
Yeah. OK so the Black Pyramid does
34:25
still kill everyone in Nancar. Okay, it was wait, wait, wait,
34:32
was he trying to kill everyone? Everyone.
34:34
I don't think so. I think he was just trying to
34:35
kill everyone. Nancar, he's still very much,
34:37
yeah, he's still very much in his like, I'm going to be the
34:40
absolute roller of Nancara. My solution to people
34:43
disagreeing with me is killing them and making them into
34:46
zombies. I hope you're really good at
34:48
literally everything you need to be comfortable because you're
34:51
going to have to be in charge of those zombies to cook your food
34:54
and make your bed and get your clothes.
34:55
And if you don't know how that shit is done, you're having
34:57
ramen noodles for the rest of your life, my man.
34:59
The Black Pyramid is sabotaged. It still ends up killing
35:03
everybody. And then in what way did we
35:05
sabotage it? It still did its purpose.
35:07
It still resurrects everyone as undead, but they're not under
35:13
Negash's control. It brings them it brings them
35:17
back with their senses intact from from this point forward in
35:21
history. Nahenkara is called the Dead
35:23
Lands because it is an entire civilization of undeads.
35:28
Undead how we talked yes mentioned so like.
35:32
Skeletons. Capable skeletons in the
35:34
deadlands. Yeah, Skeletons.
35:36
Skeletons. And mummified them.
35:38
Yeah, if it just killed them all, they would just be bodies.
35:41
Commoners and like the mass folk or skeletons, but the black
35:45
verabed brought the ancient like dead kings back to with their
35:49
senses intact. We've we've very suddenly have
35:52
just like a ton of ancient Nahankaran kings who are all
35:55
used to being king, who are all alive at the same time and have
35:58
no no way to like figure that out.
36:04
This is incredible, very funny. If you're wondering how lived a
36:07
normal lifespan, etcetera got all those titles, it's because
36:10
he comes back when the Black Pyramid is and he.
36:15
I was like, wow, this dude was busy.
36:16
Yeah. And he pretty much immediately
36:19
the empirical. Hey, you're the death coal you
36:24
set up with because you were worried about dying.
36:26
I guess it worked, didn't it? Comes back, he's so mad that
36:31
this is like how he's back and that also there's all these
36:33
other people around calling themselves King Nagesh.
36:39
This story took a turn. I was like, awful and dread.
36:41
Then I'm like, wait, hold on. It was like that looming like,
36:45
kind of like creepy Halloween theme, psycho music starting to
36:51
play, and now it's just fucking Buddy Holly or something.
36:53
What's that like? Whatever it is, yeah.
36:57
So Nancara, he comes back and they're all of their own, like
37:01
mind and body. Nagesh suddenly doesn't have an
37:03
army. It affected like all of the
37:05
undead he already had. So he's just a dude now?
37:08
That's so funny. And he flees into the mountains.
37:11
Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah, he, he flees in the
37:13
mountains. He like, hits every graveyard he
37:15
can find along the way and just like pulls up more undead to
37:18
like aid him. And he, like, constructs like a
37:21
little secret hideout in the mountains, basically to scheme
37:25
and plot and figure out how to like what he wants again, Yeah.
37:30
Did the did the the ski then the rat folks?
37:32
Steven? Did they just take all the warp
37:35
stone? No, the Black Pyramid still
37:37
exists. I think it's like parts of it
37:40
have been looted. But again, they're just like
37:42
huge like pyramid stones, like you can't call one of those off.
37:45
Yeah, into the modern day, the black pyramids like still there
37:48
and the dead lands have to like guard it so that people don't
37:52
try and use it to do a big neck or.
37:54
I'm assuming the dead lands are in Chenet?
37:57
Where are we at? Shahish Shahish deadlands aren't
38:01
a thing anymore, this is. All old.
38:02
Oh, the modern. OK, OK, I understand.
38:04
I understand. Yeah, yeah, the black, sorry,
38:06
the black Pyramid existed through the end times.
38:08
It actually got used again during the end times.
38:10
Of course not, because it was there and it's.
38:13
A magical artifact? Yeah, let's just, yeah, just run
38:15
it. Some of this is hazy, and mostly
38:16
this is my fault just because I'm not as much of an old world
38:18
scholar or as I am a mortal Rome scholar.
38:21
Scholars even too strong a word lean into it.
38:24
But Nagash retreats into the mountains.
38:26
He he leads a couple of like unsuccessful attacks on the
38:29
deadlines over the years. Eventually he just dies.
38:33
Like he dies of like natural causes, I think, or he's
38:36
assassinated. I don't remember.
38:38
I hope it's the matter, but. Actually, I hope it's the former
38:41
because that's. Funny.
38:42
That's very funny. But he's in a gash.
38:44
He was ready for that. Yeah, of course.
38:46
So he dies and he immediately comes back.
38:49
He made himself a lich, basically.
38:52
What did I say about the Lich? Yeah, Yep, it.
38:54
Looks like a lich, yeah. So Nagash dies, he comes back
38:58
and I think that process like takes some time because there
39:01
there's a point where he basically like looks at the
39:04
deadlines. He's like, this isn't worth my
39:05
time anymore. I'm going to think bigger.
39:08
There's this. You know, you got to respect the
39:10
ambition though, yeah? Right.
39:12
Yeah. OK.
39:13
He says I'm going to Look North where there's all these humans
39:18
like gathering for the first time.
39:21
And that that seems like a really prone target.
39:23
They're almost forming this, I don't know what to call it, like
39:25
a some kind of empire. Oh, interesting.
39:30
For the first time. Interesting.
39:33
So Nagash goes N he conducts some raids on like the newly
39:38
forming empire. What a wild you're just trying,
39:41
right? You're trying to Empire and his
39:43
undead lich Egyptian man. Just just roll it up.
39:47
And then I think if you flip to the next page you will see what
39:50
he encounters trying to pull his shit in the Empire.
39:53
Spooky scary skeleton. Oh, sorry, that's just.
39:56
Yeah, I figured that was him again, but I was like, whoa,
39:59
that skeleton horses. Yeah.
40:01
Now we see him. The previous one was all cloaked
40:03
in shadow. Now we see him in broad daylight
40:05
and oh, my God. Oh my God.
40:08
What is he, a tentacle? When you don't have enough arms
40:13
and you're the undisputed master.
40:15
Of things they said fuck off. That's not just the Vikings.
40:19
Look at that, man. Is that Thor?
40:21
That's Sigmar. That's Sigmar got the hammer and
40:24
he said fuck you. I'm not that I forgot so you
40:27
said Empire, but if you had said civilization, but this but these
40:32
are these are the. Tribes that Sigmar put together
40:35
to create the empire. This is while Sigmar is doing
40:40
the act that earned him godhood. Nagash comes to raid like the
40:44
Empire's lands and turn it into his own empire death and he
40:48
encounters Sigmar and Sigmar blasts of into oblivion with the
40:52
with the with the titular war. Gomeraz The.
40:57
Warhammer that the city is named after is like a holy artifact.
41:01
He hits glowing. He hits Nagash.
41:04
So hard. That whatever like safeguards
41:07
and whatnot he had on his soul to bring himself back.
41:10
Just like failed. And Sigma is not a God yet.
41:12
No, this is the thing. This is 1.
41:14
Of the things he does. That gets him godhood, and this
41:17
is not it. It is just this is the mortal
41:20
man. Sigmar overcomes the Supreme
41:23
Necromancer in defense of his empire you're hitting him so
41:26
hard with. This with the hammer, this makes
41:32
this makes this podcast makes me so happy.
41:36
Fucking incredible, OK, And all of this, all this.
41:41
Is Old World right? Yeah.
41:42
So so like Sigmar kills Nagash. Yeah.
41:46
Sends his soul flying. Nagash's soul does not go to the
41:49
afterlife like one of his like protections holds, and Nagash
41:53
spends the next 1000 or so years being just kind of a
41:57
discorporated spirit, wandering the lands, influencing people to
42:02
do necromancy and to like re empower him in that way, slowly
42:07
trying to reorchestrate his chaos.
42:10
Absolutely Nagash is. Of people who were once mortal.
42:14
Nagash's like just pushing up against the chaos gods.
42:17
In terms of power, he is one of the most powerful entities in
42:23
existence by this point already. Sigmar needs to him in the face
42:26
again with Hammer. I think right.
42:29
Does Sigmar still have his hammer?
42:31
He does OK, yeah. He's been fighting God beast
42:33
with it. Of course he does.
42:34
Yeah, we talked. About this.
42:36
It's been a few episodes. Yeah, you're fine.
42:37
You're fine 2. Episodes in many, many months.
42:40
Yeah, Nagash. Exists as a disincorporated
42:43
spirit for a long time. He takes on apprentices just by
42:46
like whispering into their dreams.
42:49
One of those apprentices is actually a fellow like Nahen
42:52
Karan who escaped. And you and you want to be this
42:55
girl. 'S apprentice.
42:55
Do you know what you're talking to?
42:57
She saw. That power.
42:58
And she's like, yes, absolutely. I want listen, you got a girl
43:02
boss sometimes. Yeah, she took.
43:05
Oh, the books. I should mention the books.
43:06
So when Nagash was developing necromancy, he wrote several
43:09
books on the subject, as you do. Basically his research notes,
43:12
those would come to be known as the Nine Books of Nagash.
43:15
And they are. I'm glad it was 9 and we could
43:17
have like. A alliteration, right?
43:20
The seven books of Nagash, the 10 books, it's not the same.
43:23
And they are like the ancient secrets.
43:24
Of necromancy. Anyone in possession of all nine
43:26
books could recreate the Black Pyramid.
43:29
They could, like, do all of the things that Nagash does.
43:32
We might need to burn these books, and I'm not.
43:34
Using that I'm not, I'm just saying saying sometimes it's too
43:38
dangerous to let the nine books of the Supreme Necromancer just
43:43
continue. Not all of them like 11 Let's
43:46
burn book #5. If you.
43:48
Destroy a book of Nagash it. Reincorporates, They cannot be
43:53
destroyed. People have tried.
43:55
Oh trust me, people have tried the books.
43:58
Themselves are. Undead basically just wild, so
44:01
metal, but yeah. A Nhenkaran.
44:03
Priestess named Nephrata. She finds several of the books,
44:07
but their information is incomplete, so she has to try
44:10
and finish the like rituals of necromancy herself.
44:13
She incorporates blood magic in them.
44:16
And Nephrata is our first vampire.
44:19
Yeah, yeah. All right, there we go.
44:22
Queen of the dam. That's what I've been in Egypt
44:24
too. This is what I've been fucking
44:26
waiting for 100%. Neferata can't really be a
44:30
vampire at a place that's all skeletons.
44:33
Not helpful. Yeah, so.
44:34
She travels north. She went too far north, yeah.
44:38
This guy with a. Hammer up there, she does.
44:39
Eventually like spread. The curse of vampirism to human
44:43
noble bloodline called von Karstein.
44:46
Yeah. Did she pick him based off the
44:48
last? Name right?
44:50
And they from Castle Dragon Fells?
44:52
Oh, really? Just a couple of them.
44:53
Sorry, one more. Time Castle Castle Dragon Fells.
44:55
Interesting. Are a basically permanent thorn
44:59
in the side of the empire because because the von
45:03
Karsteins are one of the original 9 tribes of the empire.
45:07
Well, that's and that and now it's.
45:09
Kind of awkward, yeah. No, there is, genuinely.
45:12
Like a lot of politicking that happens where, like, by all
45:16
accounts, Vlad von Karstein. Oh, wait, what was his name?
45:19
One more time, Vlad von. Vlad.
45:21
And Carmilla von Karstein. Oh, really?
45:22
Interesting it. Puts you.
45:25
On are like the correct representatives for Sylvania,
45:29
which is where they're from. What was that?
45:32
I'm sorry, Sylvania. Interesting.
45:33
Yeah. Like they are.
45:34
The. Empire's representatives for
45:37
Sylvania, like by all legal authority, they also just
45:41
happened to be vampires. They are.
45:43
Vampires, they're great, but. Skipping forward a little bit,
45:47
so we have like the vampire dynasty, one of the von
45:50
Karstein's a Manfred von Karstein becomes like a big
45:53
devotee of Nagash you. Did before you got to the second
45:58
syllable, My brain said diva that.
46:01
Too. He's very he's in it, a human
46:04
necromancer's named Heimlich von Kremler, the incredibly skilled
46:09
necromancer, also devotee of Nagash.
46:11
He finds like a bunch of the books.
46:12
I feel like you're not allowed to do.
46:13
Necromancy, if you're not a devotee of Nakash, like I think
46:16
he would take that very personally and he would take
46:18
steps. Nephrata remains.
46:20
Like very in service of Nakash. And as the end times are about
46:24
to, like, come to a head, the Colton Nakash is putting
46:29
together this big ritual to resurrect Nakash The way you Oh
46:38
my God. These were incredible.
46:43
This is great. Because I feel like if you've
46:45
been listening as episodes released and you have the space
46:47
in between, I think that's like, Oh my God.
46:49
And then if you don't know anything like I do, and you're
46:50
just binging them all, it's like, Oh my God, I saw all the
46:53
pieces back-to-back to back-to-back.
46:55
That was very good. So yeah.
46:58
Ali Yathra is Tyrion's daughter and the future ever queen, Yep,
47:03
is. One of the. 9 sacrifices used to
47:07
resurrect. Did they pick her on purpose?
47:09
Or was this an accident? Powerful priest it was.
47:12
Powerful priests and spellcasters.
47:14
OK, and so they just grabbed her.
47:16
Did they know about the blood curse?
47:18
No, they didn't, because no one knows.
47:19
He's forgotten. Yeah, that's.
47:21
It they they knew. They knew she was going to be
47:24
the next like ever queen, and so she was a powerful like
47:26
priestess and magic user, but they didn't know the blood curse
47:30
as it was a secret. Yeah, and Techless could have
47:34
told them and it would have spared like Tyrion's daughter,
47:37
but they still would have done this.
47:38
Yeah, they would. Have picked someone else.
47:39
Was that like the only fucking option you had?
47:41
Was there not maybe a Plan B about just not letting the thing
47:44
happened at all? He techless did not think.
47:46
He would have the power to stop it.
47:47
He thought that even if he disrupted it this time, it would
47:50
happen in the future. But this guaranteed Nagesh would
47:52
not come back at full strength. Yeah.
47:55
Right, it's very. Techless.
47:57
It's very techless and we're assuming Nagash was definitely.
48:00
On the side of chaos, not on the side of chaos.
48:02
Nagash is his own side. That's true.
48:04
Nagash would never. Nagash is too petty.
48:07
He would never. I mean he would not help, but he
48:10
would never be on the side of Chaos because that would imply
48:12
that Chaos has more authority than he does.
48:14
He could not stand such a thing Chaos wants.
48:18
To destroy the world, it wants all the mortal souls for itself,
48:22
to assimilate them and make them part of Chaos.
48:24
That's unacceptable. All Souls not belong to Nagash.
48:31
But the the ritual happens. Nagash does re enter the world
48:35
in like a disempowered state. He is still monumentally
48:40
powerful by the the I'm going to hit you with the devil.
48:44
Oh no, this episode he's so monumentally powerful by the
48:48
like measure of other people in the setting, but he is not at
48:52
his full power. He was expecting to re enter the
48:55
world like ascended to godhood and he's not and he's.
48:59
Not and he's going to. Find out that guy that hit him.
49:01
With the Hammer is a God now and he's so fucking pissed.
49:04
Wow. Of course Nagesh wants to roll
49:05
up as a God. Like that's all he would ever
49:07
want. What?
49:07
What's a king to a God? He wants to be the God of the.
49:11
Dead. And he wants everyone to be
49:13
dead. So he is just the king of he's
49:15
the God of everything. So he like comes back in, he's
49:19
not sent to godhood unacceptable.
49:21
He sends out his, he comes back into the world and he elects 9
49:28
powerful undead and or necromancers to be his like
49:32
black writers basically to carry out his will.
49:35
Those people are called the Mortarks.
49:38
That's Neferatas with them, Manfred's with them, etcetera.
49:42
I don't know the details on this, I just know that it
49:43
happens. Do you remember a couple
49:47
episodes ago when we were talking about the dwarves?
49:50
Yeah. I mean, I remember we.
49:51
Did an episode where we talked about the dwarves a little while
49:53
back. Yeah, Yeah, there's three.
49:55
Big dwarven gods. There's Grunny, the God of
49:59
crafts and like making things grim near the God of oaths and
50:03
vengeance, and there's a guy that was like, I need to.
50:06
I need to, we need to square up immediately.
50:08
I need to Venmo you right now. Yeah.
50:09
Yeah. And then there's Valea.
50:11
Yeah, the goddess of the hearth. Yeah.
50:13
Valea is the goddess of the hearth.
50:14
She was also the dwarven goddess of the dead.
50:16
She was the caretaker of dwarfs who had passed on.
50:19
Part of her thing is the goddess of the hearth.
50:23
At the end of the Dwarf episode, we talked about how she's not in
50:26
the Mortal Realms. Yeah, no.
50:28
Right. Because she was one of the 9
50:30
writers, no OK Nagash sends the more tarks out.
50:33
And I don't know how but. They capture her.
50:38
And Nagash kills her to be a God to ascend to.
50:42
Godhood because it worked. For the other guys.
50:44
He stole her divinity. Basically.
50:48
And she's dead. She's just gone, Yeah.
50:53
Interesting, Nagash. Ascends to godhood and Sigmar
50:58
needs to hit him in the. Face with a hammer well we got
51:02
other visual aids what else can I look at guys swipe yeah,
51:05
because the. Next one should be some of his
51:07
more Turks I. Hate.
51:10
This. One in the middle I don't.
51:13
Remember who that is doesn't matter this.
51:16
Little, this little guy. And I love a little dude, yeah.
51:21
That is Nephrata. I definitely figured and a
51:24
little. Yeah, a little.
51:25
Just skeletal servant she put together when she was 6.
51:29
Like why did he look like this? I think he's like part.
51:33
Goblin, like, I think he's just a lot of parts of Goblin, yeah.
51:36
I think he's just like an amalgam of.
51:37
Bones. Like I don't think it's anyone
51:40
creature. Yeah.
51:40
Can you say the words amalgam of bones?
51:43
Like something normal conversation.
51:46
That should be Neferata I think. Manfred's in there.
51:48
He's bald. Yeah, I see a bald dude.
51:50
Yeah. And I don't remember who the
51:51
last one is. I mean he kind.
51:54
Of looks like a petty boy. I forgot Arcon.
51:57
What the fuck is Arcon? Arcon.
51:59
Was also nefarotten. Or not.
52:01
Nefarotten Nahenkaran Nagash. He was.
52:04
He was actually 1 of Nagash's apprentices before.
52:07
Like the black pyramid. Yeah.
52:08
I can't believe I forgot Arcon. He is called Arcon the Black.
52:12
It's because of his dental health, which is very funny.
52:15
He just had like super gross teeth.
52:16
Or did he have a lot of fluoride?
52:18
Because it can also turn your teeth black.
52:19
Probably both those. But that's what he got a node
52:22
for in life. And then when he got
52:25
motherfucker do some flossing right and.
52:26
Then he got resurrected by. Nagesh as like an undead servant
52:30
and he just took arc on the black as his like spooky name.
52:35
OK, Sermon. All right, so they go kill the
52:38
dwarf like this. Dwarf Hestia goddess.
52:40
Yep, Yep. Nagesh a sense.
52:42
To godhood, and I'm not sure on the timeline on this.
52:45
There's a lot of notchers in this one.
52:47
Nagesh has a ton of history, but basically I'm going back to the
52:51
picture where Sigmar. Just hits him in the face of the
52:53
hammer. That's that's fair.
52:55
OK, he so the world's in dire straits.
52:59
Yeah, right. Yeah, it is it is.
53:01
It is the end of did they think bringing him.
53:03
Back would help with the chaos thing or like what was the plan
53:07
here no one wanted? Nagash back like Nagash is bad.
53:11
That is, that is a fight on two fronts.
53:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that nagesh is back.
53:16
But what? Wait, what was the cult?
53:18
Thinking, why were they doing this now?
53:20
Were they just? It was unrelated to the end of
53:22
the world, the Cult of Nagesh thought.
53:23
That Nagesh could beat the Chaos cuts.
53:25
OK, OK, They thought he could just kill everyone and then he
53:27
would be the unquestioned God of the dead and there's nothing
53:30
Chaos could do anymore. OK, the people trying to fight
53:34
back Chaos, the the like alliance of like the Incarnate.
53:36
Well, he's here now, so he's here.
53:38
Now and. We need someone to bind Chaish
53:43
to and. There's really only.
53:46
One option, what's the option? He's a big skeleton.
53:52
Skeleton. It's Nagesh, Techless being
53:56
techless. But wait, he isn't he a God?
53:58
I guess it doesn't matter, he binds Shayish to himself.
54:01
With himself, right? Because the winds.
54:04
Aren't they are gods, but they're they're magic.
54:07
They're magic. The.
54:08
Winds are pure. Magic, but you need a God in the
54:10
binding. That's right, because what Cain
54:12
was doing. OK, so.
54:15
It's a very techless move, right where he's just like, hey, if
54:20
Chaos takes everybody in the gash, you don't get to be your
54:23
supreme like Lord of the Dead and we could use you in this
54:28
fight and everyone's like, no, what the fuck?
54:31
But they were right. Were they right?
54:34
Because how to play? Out Dalton No.
54:36
Yeah, they lost them, but. But they bind Shayish to Nagash
54:42
because he's really the only candidate for wielding it at
54:45
this point. Yeah, I don't think there's
54:46
anyone else around. Yeah.
54:47
Yeah, the only the only other skilled.
54:48
Necromancers in the world are all like sworn to Nagash.
54:53
They're not going to take the binding.
54:55
Yeah, Nagash. Is basically the Nagash do it
54:58
no? Yeah, absolutely.
55:00
And so they bind Shayish to Nagash, and then the world dies
55:04
and Nagash is here now. And you mentioned I mean?
55:09
Was the I hate you in the face so hard you died one time the we
55:13
didn't part on good terms or was there enough they just didn't
55:15
interact? No, they didn't support of that
55:17
guy. Yeah, they like didn't interact
55:19
during the. End times basically at all but
55:21
like Sigmar put Mcash in his grave for good the first time
55:25
like or the 1st proper time and so.
55:28
And also he's a big, awful backstabbing bastard and so
55:32
we're super didn't want to run into it.
55:35
Yeah, I. Totally get that Sigmar.
55:37
He's after chaos. Nagash is the biggest threat,
55:40
yeah, because he wants to kill. Everybody.
55:43
Yes. Not.
55:44
Even for like a. Stupid pseudo moral reason like
55:48
life is corruption and everyone should just die.
55:51
Or you know, is balanced. I'm like stupid than like
55:54
nothing. It's just because he wants to be
55:56
in charge of everything, but he won't do anything with it,
55:58
correct? He just wants to.
56:00
Could we just lie and tell him he's in charge?
56:02
What if we just did that? Hey, you're king of the God,
56:05
you're king of everything. And just like, tell him that
56:09
he's in charge. I feel like that would solve the
56:11
problem, no? He wants everyone dead, and he
56:15
wants to be sure he is, mostly because being king the first
56:20
time. Didn't work right.
56:21
Supreme Necromancer. Absolute, unquestioned God of
56:25
death. Sigmar frees him from the Cairn.
56:27
Yeah, and but did you have to? He didn't have to.
56:31
But he basically makes, he basically comes to the same
56:35
conclusion that Techless did in the old world.
56:38
Now that worked for Techless, right?
56:40
I know. There's a question for Sigmar
56:43
for sure. Like made all these.
56:45
Choices that didn't pan out and here we are in the age of myth,
56:48
in our new world, and we're just doing it again.
56:51
We're like doubling down on the choices that did not work the
56:55
first time. He does pause before he.
56:58
Unearths Nagesh. Sigmar thinks like he's trapped.
57:01
I could leave him, but the two things that make him turn
57:03
against that is if I don't free him, he's going to get out on
57:08
his own eventually, and then he's just going to be a problem.
57:11
Like on mass. This is my chance to, like,
57:16
ingratiate him or at least like establish some kind of like, I
57:20
still got Gal Mraz here. Like, yeah, yeah, this could be
57:25
a hold up as much as anything, OK.
57:27
And even with everybody I've found so far, last time we lost,
57:33
Yeah, trying to do it again without potentially the most
57:37
powerful person I've found so far, yeah.
57:41
I can't take that risk. Even if even though it is a
57:44
risk, it is a huge risk. I can't take it.
57:47
OK, so he frees Nagesh and surprisingly Nagesh plays nice.
57:54
He just freed from the Cairn. He thanks to Sigmar for freeing
57:59
him, and he happily agrees to join his pantheon.
58:03
Sure, Yeah. Toast, toast my goats.
58:08
Here's our Wi-Fi password. I totally didn't accidentally
58:10
leave out a character Sigmar. Does not want to spend any more
58:15
time in Chaish. He accepts, I'm sure.
58:18
Sigmar. Having spent eons on a literal
58:21
dead world isn't super jazzed of being in the realm of the dead.
58:25
No, he hates Chaish. It's probably his least favorite
58:28
realm, yeah, and it's ranked below.
58:30
The one where the trees will lead you, Correct.
58:33
Yeah, Sigmar, basically. Pieces of eyes like we're happy
58:36
to have you on the Pantheon like Cass will be here again and I'm
58:40
I'm happy to have your support. He's he's playing it very
58:43
diplomatically. Yeah.
58:44
You need to go revisit the. Life goddess and be like no, I
58:46
get it. However, I do have the death guy
58:48
here. I kind of need you also to be
58:50
around to balance that out right and.
58:54
Sigmar leaves. He heads back to his ear.
58:56
Yeah, he's because he's going to start making preparations for,
58:58
like, with everybody on the team now.
59:01
Yeah, like, The Avengers are assembled and several of them
59:04
are shady as fuck. Yeah, but he's gonna start
59:07
making plans for like, when cash shows up and the gash freed from
59:10
the Cairn goes great. I am the God of the dead.
59:16
Yeah. In the land of the dead.
59:17
Yeah. But in my absence, all these
59:20
fucking like culture, these skeleton constables.
59:24
Rolled up, yeah, all, all these cultures.
59:26
On all the other realms had ideas about what their afterlife
59:32
looked like and what their own like deities of death looked
59:36
like That's unacceptable and he starts systematically
59:41
demolishing after lives and killing any like minor like
59:46
manifest gods of the dead. All right, Radio Demon energy.
59:49
Let's. Go yeah and just.
59:51
Subsuming them into himself so that he is the unquestioned,
59:55
unrivaled, absolute ruler of death, Nagash.
1:00:00
Nagash. And that's the gash.
1:00:05
Like he just kind of keeps doing that.
1:00:06
He starts scheming. Obviously he is nothing if not
1:00:10
schemes right now during the age of myth.
1:00:12
He basically makes himself busy subsuming all after lives and
1:00:18
deaths into himself. Those elves chained up a chaos.
1:00:22
Demon, they could chain up this guy if we called him.
1:00:24
I'm sure he's now alive for now. And they need him like, but this
1:00:30
doesn't work. None of this works, no.
1:00:32
The Asia Sigmar no one's friends, so like why you you can
1:00:35
see why. It started good, right?
1:00:38
It's like, yeah, we got a dwarf. One of them died, but we got a
1:00:40
dwarf. We like.
1:00:41
We got the elves who are on our side.
1:00:42
We've got Gorkamwerka. He's having a hoot going
1:00:45
fighting stuff. Now Marathi's here and she's
1:00:48
plotting something. But I guess we can trust her
1:00:49
because she doesn't want the world to fall.
1:00:51
The chaos either on a gash is back.
1:00:54
OK, I get like, I guess if he helps us fight chaos.
1:00:57
But then what are we going to do about Nagash?
1:00:59
Yeah, right. Like if that works then what do
1:01:01
we? Do not get yeah, because that's
1:01:02
the thing, right? If it works, if they fight
1:01:06
chaos, and if they win permanently, then you still have
1:01:09
the Nagash problem. So that's where we are.
1:01:14
That's just where we are. That's where we are.
1:01:16
This is. Kind of the end of our our tour
1:01:19
of immortal realms during the age of it.
1:01:22
We've talked about all 8 realms. We've kind of followed Sigmar's
1:01:26
rediscovery of the other gods of the pantheon.
1:01:28
This is Sigmar's pantheon going forward.
1:01:31
Are there any women here? Yeah.
1:01:33
Marathi's not a God. Alario is technically part of
1:01:36
the pantheon even though she's not like real big in it, but I
1:01:41
think she is the only one. Marathi like technically plays
1:01:45
advisor to Malarium so she's like a goddess.
1:01:47
I don't get why. I can't not.
1:01:53
There are so many of the gods. Literally the only one is the
1:01:59
life goddess. And I listen, I would been extra
1:02:01
mad if it wasn't a life goddess, Right?
1:02:04
Like if it wasn't literally Mother Nature, like I'd be extra
1:02:07
annoying. But it's like, OK, you did OK.
1:02:13
Yeah, like we did. We made.
1:02:16
This choice over a dozen times, yeah.
1:02:20
And we, we'll start to see some more.
1:02:23
I feel like Age of Sigmar when it first came out was still kind
1:02:25
of battling that. Like because the old world was a
1:02:28
lot worse about stuff Like sure, like basically.
1:02:31
No important women in the. Old world, which is unfortunate.
1:02:33
Don't get happy commenters. What do?
1:02:36
We'll block you, Yeah. Right.
1:02:37
Like let us clean house. And Age of Sigmar was.
1:02:39
Still kind of on that. Bent when it first came out,
1:02:42
like you're still trying to kind of be the old world.
1:02:44
Again. But I can definitely like,
1:02:46
happily say it's gotten better in the time since the like.
1:02:51
Spoilers for the Age of Sigmar. The leader of the largest human
1:02:56
settlement in the setting now is a lady named Talia Vedra who
1:03:00
rides a manticore into battle. What a great beast.
1:03:03
She's great. OK, the flame of Hammer Hall is
1:03:06
her title. Just incredible.
1:03:09
Like War Marshall, General Governor, lady great.
1:03:14
Anyways, but yeah, it's definitely a thing that we're
1:03:16
going to see level out a bit more as we get more into going
1:03:20
on in Age of Sigmar. But no, I liked it.
1:03:23
I like. I think all the characters have
1:03:25
really compelling things. It's just like, we got to the
1:03:26
very end and I'm like, oh, OK, yeah, Marathi's not.
1:03:31
A God, the only, the only dwarf and goddess is dead.
1:03:35
Is dead the first killer? Yeah, yeah.
1:03:39
OK. But that's the tour of the
1:03:42
Realms, that Sigmar's pantheon. Remember when you wanted this to
1:03:44
all be 1 episode? Yeah, I'm glad that Dad and.
1:03:48
You tried to be like, all right, we're going.
1:03:50
To do episode 0 is just going to be our prequel.
1:03:55
It was like, no, I'm, I'm, I'm teasing you because, you know,
1:03:57
no, you've been there always. I'm like, yeah, we'll just do
1:03:59
this. It's like, well, that didn't
1:04:00
work. Let's revamp everything so.
1:04:03
Listener, we have covered the realms.
1:04:06
You might be wondering what next episode's going to look like.
1:04:10
We talked a little bit about it at the end of the OLGU episode
1:04:13
that the After the Age of Myth. I should have saved that
1:04:16
question. For this episode but I I was
1:04:20
just over like I needed to know after.
1:04:22
The age of myth comes the age of chaos.
1:04:27
In other words, stuff goes bad fast.
1:04:30
So is it because? Maybe someone kidnapped one of
1:04:33
the chaos demons and they're definitely going to notice.
1:04:38
We're going to find out if. You are waiting to hear what
1:04:40
next step next episode is going to be.
1:04:43
We have a little bit more that happens in the age of myth that
1:04:45
doesn't just immediately go to shit.
1:04:47
So our next episode is going to be I've titled in my notes from
1:04:51
myth to chaos. I love that we're just going to
1:04:53
cover. What?
1:04:54
Happens at the end of the Age of Myth that turns it into the Age
1:04:57
of Chaos. And then we will talk about the
1:05:00
big events of the Age of Chaos, because there are many and we're
1:05:03
going to see some old friends. What?
1:05:06
Okay. I wonder who we're going to see.
1:05:10
I wonder who our friends are going to come and knocking.
1:05:13
But. In the meantime, I have been
1:05:17
Dalton Montgomery and I'm Darian, Smart and.
1:05:20
I need a drink. Thanks for being here.