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Civilizational confidence and the health of a society · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  If we've learned anything from these past couple of years, it's that personal medical freedom and liberty are in crisis.
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  I'm honored today to have with us Dan Burmawi.
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  W.
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  Y.
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  He's the best-selling author of Islam, Israel and the West.
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  And I've been very much enjoyed his posts and his substack, and we'll get to that.
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  But Danny, tell us a little bit about yourself, uh, what your interests are.
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  Uh where do you see the kind of intellectual, mental, uh, spiritual, social battlefield battlefield uh occurring right now, and what's your place in it.
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  Thank you for having me, uh Randy.
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  Well, basically, I'm a concerned uh person, concerned about uh the Western civilization.
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  Um, even though I'm uh coming from a different region from the Middle East.
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  I uh was born in Jordan and grew up in Jordan, then Lebanon.
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  But um, you know, when you read history, when you understand uh how civilizations get erased, and then you see the same forces that uh erased my ancestors' civilizations, then uh that give me concerned about uh future versus civilization.
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  And I believe that uh we are at a very critical time now, as these forces have made uh their way into the West, and the West uh lost the confidence to stand for uh its uh itself.
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  Uh unfortunately uh they people in the West are uh they many of them they hate their civilization, their culture, they look at it as uh colonialist project, as uh so that actually created a vacuum, and that vacuum is uh today threatening the future of the West.
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  I can't disagree.
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  Uh you know, it's a funny thing.
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  There's an expression that the liberalism man is so open-minded, his uh brains fall out.
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  Um we seem to you know kind of reach a pinnacle with certain types of civilization, they go through cycles, and uh I probably heard of this cycle that you know hard times bring uh strong men, strong men bring good times, good times bring weak men, weak men bring hard times.
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  Um it seems like the quote unquote West in its you know incarnation currently uh is just not happy with itself.
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  Uh it's like it's somehow cute and vogue and hip to be a critic.
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  It's easy to be a critic, you know, it's hard to actually create something, and that which has been created is taken for granted.
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  You know, people are living on the shoulders of giants, even Isaac Newton said that, you know, he can do anything but you know for the fact that he was you know standing on the shoulders of giants, other people who came before him, it seems to be a lack of gratitude for what we have, you know, the ability here, you know, to converse on you know through little bits of you know uh glass, which was sand and electricity, which is lightning, and so forth, and we can communicate you know in this ethereal way, uh, which you know ancestors whatever could not never have fathomed, and yet nobody's really satisfied.
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  We live in a way, you know, better than all the kings of even a hundred years ago, you know, with running water and heat and uh uh you know, uh all the books in the world on your cell phone, yet we have kind of a dissatisfaction in the West, and everyone wants to criticize and think there's somehow something elsewhere better.
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  So I'm just curious, you know, what's your perspective on why that happens, and what is the thing that that you know what kind of society would you like to see?
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  And what are the kind of friction points between that and say something that's a little bit more stalwart and you know, coming from the hard times, uh, just such as the Islamic cultures, which seem to you know have their you know fundamental views um that are not really changing and trying to maybe be all like a hot knife through butter of certain other civilizations.
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  When you live inside the bubble, and you think that everything you get, we take it for granted when you have no appreciation of how you ended up with this life with everything you have.
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  Uh and I'm not talking here about uh materialistic uh side as much as I'm talking about uh freedom that uh people enjoy in the West.
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  They take it for granted.
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  They think that this is uh universal thing.
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  Um so they don't have appreciation.
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  I have seen many people in the United States who just take America, they don't understand what America has given them.
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  And uh maybe they need to travel more.
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  Maybe because of the globalization and um the media uh in particular, and how the media casts the world around us.
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  Um journalists who travel to the third world, for example, or to other countries, uh come back to report, usually give false impression about uh other cultures, and uh of course uh because of uh that different forces, different branches of Marxism that have invaded uh Western academia.
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  We ended up with cultural relativism, all cultures are equal.
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  Um vinification of the West.
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  You know, the West is prosperous because of colonialism, because of imperialism.
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  All these factors they together to shape how people think, how they see or the world around them.
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  And they end up with this false perception that they have nothing to be thankful for.
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  But they don't understand that freedom is like a candle.
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  You can't take it for granted.
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  You can't assume that it will be lit without protection, without defending it, without uh just uh making sure that when you pass it, the next generation is gonna make sure that it's stay lit.
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  When you pass it, the next generation is going to make sure that it's stay lit.
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  So the freedom that people have in the West.
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  So the freedom that people have in the West, and add to that the prosperity, the lack of suffering, uh created a bubble where now people are searching for meaning.
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  And add to that the prosperity, the lack of suffering.
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  Created a bubble where now people are searching for meaning.
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  And meaning is coming in the form of siding with the underdog.
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  And meaning is coming um in the form of siding with the underdog.
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  And that's how you end up with the generation that hates itself, hates its country, and doesn't want to defend it because they don't think it's worth defending.
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  But they are mistaken.
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  They are existentially mistaken.
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  If the freedom, the liberties, the intrinsic value for human beings that we enjoy in the West is lost, then what word we're gonna end up with?
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  If a different culture ends up controlling how people think, and this is what's happening today.
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  They offered strange fire on the altar of the Lord.
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  And we read that God punished them.
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  Fire came from heaven and just you know uh destroyed them.
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  Today, I'm thinking of those intellectuals who are offering strange fighters, strange ideas on the altar of civilization.
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  And they dress up as defenders of the West.
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  But the truth is that they are offering strange fire, they're sharing ideas or trying to shape the public through ideas that are antithetical to what dealt the West.
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  So this is my analysis of what's happening today.
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  And I would I would like to see the site in the West.
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  To be honest, in Europe, I'm losing hope, but not in the US.
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  It's still too early.
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  But I would like to see a site that understands the uniqueness of its particular particular culture.
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  Um it's different, it's not equal to other cultures.
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  And uh what we get here because of this system, was which was built on the shoulders of giant, as you say.
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  It's something that deserves worthy of protection and uh to be defended.
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  And um, what kind of what ward do you want to pass to your children to the next generation?
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  You're a coward if you give up what your father's asked to you.
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  Yeah, I I spent some time uh in 1987 behind the Iron Curtain, which existed at then.
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  Uh we didn't know it was ever going to be coming down, and maybe it was foolhardy, but um my wife and I, we were young before kids, and uh we had brought bicycles over to Europe, and it was a little kind of I was between medical jobs, and um I had this crazy idea.
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  We went biking from Vienna uh ultimately to um Hungary, Hungary, and then bike through Hungary, uh Czechoslovakia as it was called then, um we saw East Berlin, uh Yugoslavia.
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  Anyway, uh it was a uh a different world.
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  Um, you know, this is a movie Smallville, uh, which starts out in black and white, and uh then he has an awakening.
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  It's kind of trite, but the world turns into color.
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  This was the opposite.
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  Um, and a couple times we went back and forth from east to west Berlin and back to East Berlin because they ruined my bicycle on the train, and I won't I was again foolhardy.
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  I tried to make a claim with East German Railroad.
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  Um, so I got to see a fair amount of of the workings under the Soviet system without going to the Soviet Union per se.
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  Every town we went to, we had to register and hand in our passports.
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  Um we had to say where we're gonna be, why we're there.
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  We basically had to announce, it's not like you know, here you can travel, I don't know, you get on a bus, you can go to Poughkeepsie or you know, Kalamazoo, whatever.
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  It doesn't nobody nobody questions you can kind of move around freely and anonymously.
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  Um there were no restaurants to speak of.
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  Uh there was no, you know, you couldn't go find uh Indian curry or Chinese food or whatever, like you can in any capital of Western Europe, even then in the 80s.
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  Um there was no music um uh really on the streets, nobody was playing.
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  Uh everybody was staring at each other's feet on the street.
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  Um there was a time we were on the subway in East Berlin, um, and everyone's wearing kind of drab, very similar clothing, kind of workman's clothing, light blue um clothing, and there were no advertisements or anything like that, which is okay, I'm okay with that.
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  But you know, it's very bland, kind of like uh a movie scene out of uh, you know, these Truman show, all these kind of dystopic movies, but this was real life.
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  In the stores, there were like zero products, people lined up, you know, all the things we had read about were true.
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  They were actually playing out.
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  But the funny thing, the amazing thing for me was the way that people just wouldn't engage on the street.
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  They were, I think, terrified.
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  And we wound up talking with some people privately because we I had a list of a thing called servos at the time where people volunteered, you know, kind of on the quiet to take guests in.
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  So we got to see the insides of certain households in these countries, and people spoke with us privately.
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  Um, but uh in public, in the streets, in the subway, people when they were sitting down, they only stared at the ground, they wouldn't engage in any kind of eye contact, want to see you, because they didn't want to be seen, they didn't want to be called, they want to be different.
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  They didn't want to have, you know, here, like I'm saying in a hotel, uh true enough, the guy has a beard like three times the size of yours, and he's got flowers in it.
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  I mean, they're they're applique, they're probably fake flowers.
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  He's he's doing he's at the front desk of an actual real hotel.
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  I'm paying, you know, reasonable dollars to be here in New York City temporarily, and um, you know, it just that that kind of acts like that assumption that he can just show up to work that way, and it's gonna be, oh, it's just a funny thing, it's a little add-on, it's a little kind of quirky thing.
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  You come in the hotel, it's like, oh, I take a picture of this guy, he's happy, you know.
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  Those moments did not exist in East Europe at the time, Easter Berlin.
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  East Europe at the time, Easter Berlin.
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  And back when back we went back and forth from East West Berlin a couple of times.
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  And back when back we went back and forth from East West Berlin a couple of times, and when we went to West Berlin and then it was like 1987, um, there was music on the street, and people had things on their faces even then, they had you know some nose rings, whatever, but people are just kind of relaxed, all the they're standing against the walls, they're talking, you know, whatever.
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  And when we went to West Berlin and then it was like 1987, there was music on the street, and people had things on their faces even then.
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  They had, you know, some nose rings, whatever.
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  But people are just kind of relaxed.
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  All the they're standing against the walls, they're talking, you know, whatever.
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  But that whole kind of like ambiance, the the thing that really kind of keeps you know humanity humane, um, you couldn't do.
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  But that whole kind of like ambiance, the thing that really kind of keeps you know humanity humane, um, you couldn't do.
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  You were being
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  You're being watched, you're being regulated.
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  And we see a lot of those things, you know, in China with the social credit scores, whatever that that, you know, like I I wake up, you know, I try to comb my hair.
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  Um, and and you know, but otherwise things are all whatever, they're all haphazard.
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  You know, you comb your hair, a certain amount of orders, great.
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  You know, somebody telling you what to do and telling you how to do it is different.
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  And so even it's the same thing, you know, somebody telling me I have to do this, tell me I have to whatever, it takes all the fun out of it, and all this kind of natural way we interact and create things in a sense is gone.
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  So the Soviet system collapsed under its own weight because they weren't able really to keep up with the creation process.
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  And did a you know, similar China's got all the technology they borrow and stuff, but they can't create the stuff.
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  And this is kind of the the essence of the Western project, which people don't really conceive of and figure out.
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  You know, there's uh you know, huge Muslim you know, population on earth, and they benefit you know from a lot of the technology, whatever, but you know, I'm not too I don't want to take away from engineers and whatnot, because I think a lot of people come here, I deal with the startup world.
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  We have founders from all over the world.
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  Um I'm dealing with a um an Egyptian founder right now on his company, but it's like I invest in a guy from Turkey from Istanbul, um, both Muslims, and it's like you know, the but the creation isn't happening there, they're coming here to do it.
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  And so this this kind of you know, I don't know what the name of that thing is, but it's kind of the spark, the animus that that gets people excited, and they can start to think on that next level and feel that they can do something without having it, you know, go against you know, be apostasy, being against the religion, be heretical, uh, be threatened, and so forth.
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  Because people don't like having their heads chopped off, for instance.
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  I mean, I'm happy today, nobody chopped my head off.
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  Um be a difficult conversation, I guess.
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  But you know, I'm wondering, you know, how that plays out.
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  Um but and that's probably one of the better places to be in that you know, neck of the woods and whatnot.
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  But how does that play out?
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  What are the what are the kind of feelings of difference that you notice, and and what's the kind of thing if you could you know, kind of impute and or you know, kind of brain chip uh sticking a new uh version of software in people's minds, how would you get them to kind of conceive of this difference?
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  So what what do you do described is basically what I'm trying to warn people about you described how freedom leads to creativity because the lack of freedom leads always to conformity.
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  People they look like each other, they act like each other, even if they like you can see some differences in the appearance, but the core is the same.
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  Everybody thinks the same, they followed or adhere to the same system, and without creativity, you end up with bad economies.
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  And that's why the only successful countries that are non-Western are countries that have imported the Western system, or the only successful non-Westerners are those who come to the West and have the freedom to create.
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  So when for example, when people say, Oh, look at all these people successful who built America from different cultures.
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  I wonder why they didn't build their culture if they're capable of doing that.
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  So America built America, it was not emigrants who built America, it was the system that built America.
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  So this is very important to understand.
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  So the war today, whether we're talking about Islam or we're talking about communism, the war is between individualism and collectivism.
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  It's between um liberties and um control.
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  And control.
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  It's between this individualistic ability to think, to wrestle, to uh descend, to say no, to be who you are, and at the same time um under a system that was proven to be to work, a system that is to be judged by its fruit.
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  It's between um uh this individualistic ability to think, to wrestle uh to uh dissent to say no to be who you are, and at the same time, um under a system that was proven to be to work, a system that is to be judged.
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  That is the Western civilization, the fruit of the wisdom civilization.
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  It's not only uh something that the West, as you uh uh said uh benefited from, but the entire world.
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  Everything was created, invented here in the West.
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  So when people try to dismantle the system, thinking that they can enjoy the fruit without the root, they're being stupid.
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  You you mentioned Tom Holland uh our conversation before uh the interview.
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  Uh I believe that he talked about Richard Dawkins, and he said that Richard Dawkins is like a person who was sitting on a branch, and he's trying to cut it, and he's looking down and freaking out.
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  But he is cutting the branch that he's sitting on.
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  And that what Richard Douglas has been trying for the past 20 30 years, trying to erase Christianity.
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  And uh the irony is that a couple of years ago he gave an interview, and in that interview, he was really pissed off by the uh Islamic um symbols on the streets of London.
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  He was not happy with that, and he said, I'm uh um cultural Christian.
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  Oh, so now you you realize that Christianity, the Judeo-Christian uh foundation that built the West is different.
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  It's not like all religions are equal, it's not like uh um the West could have been possible without Christianity.
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  So I I would like to see the society understand that, understand that how it's the Christian, the biblical Lord, the biblical God, biblical understanding gave us the West.
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  It was not Greece, it was not Rome, it was Jerusalem.
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  Because even if you go to the uh Greek philosophers, if you read them, you you wouldn't be able to extract the human rights declaration, for example, from their philosophy.
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  But do you know where you could extract the human less uh uh human rights declaration from the Bible?
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  It's the only place, the only system in the world where people are equal, not because the government says so, not because of any factor except that they were created in the image of God.
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  So when the United Nation made everyone sign the human rights declaration, people thought that, oh, this is like global consensus because we agree that we have values.
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  No, it's not, because any moment a Hitler could rise up and say, no, we are not equal.
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  Let's kill the Jews, let's kill the blacks.
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  So it's not a consensus, it is the biblical world of the that shaped the West.
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  And because of the impact and the strength of the West, the rest of the world followed uh in the footsteps of the West.
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  That's that's it.
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  That's how people who live in the Western world need to understand the world around them.
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  They cannot assume that uh the West is not bitter.
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  It is bitter.
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  It is uh there's supremacy in the West, and it's not shameful to admit it.
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  Yeah.
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  There's a thing, I don't know if you ever heard of the cargo cult, um, but uh the Africa uh kind of uh sub-Saharan um jungle, you know, Congo, whatever, mid-Central Africa uh formed the thing called the cargo cult, uh, I think in 1940s, and uh not sure the age, but it's one Google um Wikipedia click away anyway, cargo cult, they saw these these things flying overhead, and it's actually redolent of when Cortez uh took over the Aztecs in Mexico in the uh kind of Spaniard uh takeover.
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  Now he did it with 278 men or something like that.
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  But the cargo cult was uh they saw these planes going by and they thought they were gods.
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  Uh they'd never seen planes, they hadn't seen any mechanization, whatnot.
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  And uh, I was listening to I'm not, I can't tell you whether it's true or not, but I saw an Instagram um reel, so uh there's that.
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  And uh an African uh gentleman was talking about that that white supremacy as a term came about because the blacks there um when they saw the the miracles they thought they were gods and so forth flying around, and then they realized that they were men who had created these machines that could fly like birds, they they acknowledged there was white supremacy uh because they hadn't done it, you know, and and you know it it's it's a sadness that you know in here the Amor Indians, you know, the the I mean they were you know came from the Bering Strait, they're Asians, whatever, but here they were, you know, what we call the Native Americans, and they were more native, I guess, than Europeans for been there for 20,000 years, something like that.
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  But you know, they hadn't come across gunpowder, they hadn't they had the wheel technically, but they hadn't made the axle.
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  You know, people talk about the invention of the wheel, it's not the invention of the wheel, it's the invention of putting two wheels together and an axle and putting it underneath a cart.
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  They hadn't invented that, they didn't have horses and so forth, and so there's a lot of um, you know, kind of uh I guess you know, sadness or whatever.
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  I mean, no, no doubt, you know, your your team loses, the other team wins, and you're like, oh, that they're bad, I'm good.
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  But there's very well, you know, there's almost never the kind of the realization, well, you know what, they won because they had they were better equipped.
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  You know, at some point or another, civil civilizations are going to collide because it's a small earth, and humans are very ingenious, and we make boats and we you know zip around the world one way or another, and if it you know, if they if they've been the other way around, the Army Indians had you know figured out how to navigate and figure out the earth was round and um you know, maybe the Columbus hadn't figured that out, whatever, but you know, if they hadn't been in, you know, if they'd been a little more intrepid and they had their civilization continuing a pace, they might have been the ones to do it.
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  Boats and we you know zip around the world one way or another and if it you know if they if they've been the other way around the Amor Indians had you know figured out how to navigate and figure out the earth was round and um you know maybe the Columbus hadn't figured that out, whatever, but you know, if they hadn't been in, you know, if they'd been a little more intrepid and they had their civilization been continuing a pace, they might have been the ones to do it.
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  But you know, the interesting question is why it was the other way around.
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  But you know, the interesting question is why it was the other way around.
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  Why was Portugal and Spain and England and and you know whatnot that came and conquered the world?
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  Why was Portugal and Spain and England and and you know whatnot that came and conquered the world?
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  What you know, the Portuguese uh you know, city names all across you know Asia, you know, there was uh uh there was a port in Morocco, Mogador, uh they were they were it made it to Goa, India, they were in Korea, um, they were in parts of China, uh, the island of Formosa, Taiwan is a Spanish name.
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  You know, the Portuguese uh, you know, city.
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  You know, it was not the other way around.
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  It's not like, you know, and again, we can agree that you know, people have all capabilities wherever they happen to be, but they're in within certain cultures.
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  What's never spoken about with the Amerindians and perhaps other cultures which might be similar, you know, if we wanted to make the analogy today, is that those cultures didn't do it, you know, and it it's sad that the American Indians suffered, no doubt.
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  Um, but if they hadn't suffered at the hands of the Europeans, they would have suffered at the hands of somebody else.
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  But the real question would be why is it that you know Catholic Europe, you know, was able to do all those things.
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  And I think it's because of the mindset, and this Professor Tom Holland mentioned, I mentioned earlier, um, and he's he's not the actor, um, you know, and he's an atheist, I gather, but he's British guy, and he points out that they kind of invented the secular.
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  And this is the space between religion and and commerce.
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  And you know, it's part of its uh, you know, in embedded in uh Christianity, you know, render under Caesar that which is Caesar's.
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  And you know, that gets interpreted and misinterpreted a lot.
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  But the point of fact is that you don't want you know, you don't want religion just to be, you know, as Hillary Clinton said, worship, where you just kind of do something privately.
• 29:52
  There should be a public space, you know, and a recognition of our you know, incredible, I guess, you know, fabric of life and the joys and whatnot.
• 30:00
  And we have you know, kind of a reification and deification of the things we do with funerals and weddings and uh births and all kinds of stuff.
• 30:06
  And that's kind of a religious feeling of joy we have within us because we're a communal kind of conversational society, which doesn't exist anywhere in the animal kingdom.
• 30:14
  You don't nobody else is able to converse the way they can have codes and they can feel fear and whatnot, but they can't create ideas through their their vocalizations like we can.
• 30:23
  So we have a spirit that that animates us.
• 30:26
  And the Catholic, you know, Europe, which is probably the greatest civilization from 1500 till you know the 20th century or whatever, was able to create within that space the the place that they could endorse somebody like Columbus to to you know travel.
• 30:41
  You know, he was born in Italy, and uh, you know, he he chopped his idea around, and somebody was able to take his startup concept, you know, in Spain, and they you know profited not in not immediately, but they made a huge empire and they got wealth out of it.
• 30:54
  And people all think that's a matter of conquest and so forth.
• 30:57
  But it's really was a matter of trade, you know, the bringing things back and forth that create you know the the value and the benefit.
• 31:03
  And and trade was even if it was um uh exploited at the time, but you cannot judge what happened in the 15th century or 16th century by to be standards.
• 31:17
  However, what you cannot do is to only condemn um Western colonialism or Western uh slave trade while completely ignore other cultures and what they've done, like Islam, for example, Islam slave trade was bigger and longer than that transatlantic slave trade, but somehow nobody is paying attention to that.
• 31:46
  They're being selective about history.
• 31:50
  Only the West is colonial, only the West had slavery.
• 31:56
  This is ridiculous.
• 31:57
  Actually, the West is the side that abolished slavery.
• 32:06
  That's how we must see history.
• 32:09
  Instead of highlighting how the West practiced slavery while everyone else in the world practiced it, we should look at the West as the side that stopped it and forced other cultures to follow.
• 32:27
  So it if it wasn't for the West in Islamic countries today, there would still be uh slavery.
• 32:35
  Actually, there is uh still slavery in Lubia.
• 32:38
  I I believe I met with uh no my understanding is it's slavery in Mauritania.
• 32:44
  Um I'm sorry, Mauritania, I'm sorry.
• 32:46
  I uh it's ironically is a Roman name.
• 32:48
  You know, it's a kind of funny thing.
• 32:50
  Like uh I was kind of thinking, why is Africa called Africa?
• 32:53
  Africa's a Roman name.
• 32:55
  Um and Guinea, you know, there's all the wet uh various guineas, there's Papua New Guinea, uh, there's the Guineas, and Guinea was another kind of Roman name for Africa.
• 33:06
  Um so it's funny, you know, that a lot of these things again is it's not that things are not there for other people, but it's a matter of who gets around to naming them, categorizing them, and figuring out ways to you know get people around a certain idea.
• 33:20
  And the Romans obviously were great organizers, and a lot of our you know, world is a result of that.
• 33:25
  You know, the the um you know, in the absence of one thing, there will be something else.
• 33:31
  You know, in the absence of this religion, there will be some other religion.
• 33:34
  You know, we um currently in the West, whatever that you know is, I mean, America and Canada, Japan, maybe and whatnot, you know, there's kind of a you know, the secular sphere has somewhat taken over to the point that it kind of crowds out religion in a sense, and and to be kind of genuinely um religious and devout and believing in um you know either Judaic or or Catholic or Christian principles, uh puts you sometimes at the uh mercy of a society that has found its own new religion, you know, we call it for want of anything else, we'll call it the religion of woke.
• 34:10
  And so this is um its own kind of you know, absolutism, you know, I was mentioning the absolutism of the you know Soviet East Europe and whatnot, where your your thoughts were essentially policed.
• 34:22
  Um and that that happens here now as well, and it's kind of an all-consuming, you know.
• 34:28
  I I will go buy, I don't know, uh I'm not sure what it what I have to actually need right now, let's say a pair of shoes or something like that.
• 34:36
  I'll just find a pair of shoes, I like it, it feels comfortable, so forth.
• 34:38
  But if you religion in the religion of woke, you can't buy those shoes unless you know that the company that made it believes in the same things as you.
• 34:46
  Yeah, you know, people you know were killing the Teslas about you know 15 months ago.
• 34:51
  I own now two Teslas, I only own one at the time, but um, you know, a friend of mine, a tennis buddy, you know, he called my car a swastika car, you know, um, because it's uh emblem emblematic of of Elon Musk's Hitlerism because you know he likes free speech, and it's like and and the Teslas had to go.
• 35:00
  You know, um, because it's uh emblem emblematic of of Elon Musk's Hitlerism because you know he likes free speech, and it's like and and the Teslas had to go.
• 35:09
  So that people you know still have this religion, they don't think they're religious.
• 35:09
  So that people you know still have this religion, they don't think they're religious.
• 35:12
  But when you start burning Teslas, you know, those are sacrifices of a sword.
• 35:12
  But when you start burning Teslas, you know, those are sacrifices of a sword, they're sacrificing rituals, yeah.
• 35:16
  They're sacrificing rituals, yeah.
• 35:18
  Yeah.
• 35:18
  Yeah, and so at one point, you know, there's good and evil, I think, and there's you know, that we don't necessarily meet him every day, but there's kind of the you know, God and the devil, and and you know, you know, what is it?
• 35:18
  And so at one point, you know, there's good and evil, I think, and there's you know, that we don't necessarily meet him every day, but there's kind of the you know, God and the devil, and and you know.
• 35:31
  Uh somebody wrote uh, I think um uh C.S.
• 35:35
  Lewis wrote that the you know the devil's greatest trick was believing having people believe he didn't exist, but it's like you know, however you want to phrase it, you know.
• 35:43
  People there's a uh like a car commercial with these hamsters, and they're using this song.
• 35:49
  You can go with this, it's I think it's for Kia's soul, and it's it's a very catchy tune, little hamsters, and they're like, you can go with this or you can go with that, and you can go with this, or you can go with that, and they're pointing like cool things and not cool things.
• 36:01
  So obviously you're gonna buy this car because it's a cool car, and hamsters are driving, and I mean, we wouldn't want that.
• 36:06
  But it's basically, you know, as time goes on, you have to pick your lane.
• 36:10
  And so, like the Richard Dawkins thing, and um, you know, you are benefiting from all the things that came with this, but you want that, and so it's kind of a uh, you know, it is in a sense ultimately kind of a team sport, which thing you're going with, and the ones that want to shut you up, that can't be the good thing during lockdowns.
• 36:28
  Let's say lockdowns, I think we're you know, I mean I don't think this literally, but let's say it's kind of a satanic force that you're locking people down.
• 36:35
  The worst punishment you can have is social isolisol isolation, you're in prison, the worst thing they can do is put you in in solitary.
• 36:41
  And here we're doing this to society for this virus that's probably pretty bad if you're 90 years old, but not that bad if you're 30 or 20 or 50 or whatever and you're healthy, and we're locking everybody down, and a lot of times they did it because I mean, I think people like having a certain power other people, and that's you know, you can you maybe we put a lot of adjuvants we call it, I don't think satanics the right word, but you know, it's bad, it's evil, it's satanic, whatever.
• 37:06
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• 39:02
  Author of Islam, Israel and the West.
• 39:06
  You know, but but these are people who didn't think they have a religion, except the state or the essence of so forth.
• 39:13
  So they they my book, I I talked about this.
• 39:16
  I said that everything is a is theology.
• 39:19
  Everything around us is theology, whether it's Nazi Germany, the communism, walkism.
• 39:27
  God is, as you say, is the entity that you make sacrifices for, you're making for.
• 39:36
  And um it's the ultimate authority.
• 39:39
  So, and there are prophets of this God, there are rituals, there are uh the subjects of this God, and in every ideology, there is a God.
• 39:49
  So everything is a theology.
• 39:52
  Um walkism, for example, I believe it walk it is the result of Christianity.
• 40:01
  But what do I mean by that?
• 40:03
  I mean that self-correction is embedded within uh the biblical model.
• 40:11
  And uh because of that growth and progress took place over the centuries.
• 40:19
  So, for example, there was slavery, because of the self-correction element in Christianity, we were able to correct that role, right?
• 40:30
  But wokeism is the overcorrection of things, so it is on the same trajectory, but it is um distorting Christianity.
• 40:41
  It's the result of Christianity, it is the self-correction, but it's taking it too far.
• 40:47
  So, feminism, for example, women were persecuted in the in the society, they had nothing, no rights.
• 40:55
  Then that was corrected.
• 40:57
  The correction was giving them rights, equal rights.
• 41:01
  They can vote, they can uh work, they can they're not controlled by men.
• 41:05
  Good.
• 41:06
  Now the overcorrection is this insanity of radical feminism, and today men are persecuted and women are the oppressor.
• 41:18
  Slavery, the same thing.
• 41:21
  Uh black people were enslaved.
• 41:23
  There was corruption, self-corruption in the culture.
• 41:27
  They were freed, they were given rights.
• 41:30
  Now, over correction, white people are persecuted.
• 41:36
  So it's it's the same thing that is happening, but you're taking it too far.
• 41:43
  So balance, balance is the key.
• 41:46
  To kill wokeism, we need balance.
• 41:49
  We cannot keep um uh society cannot keep with this identity politics and the insanity that we have seen, and thank God that Donald Trump was elected, whether you are uh on the right or on the left, you should be thanking God that Donald Trump was elected because the last few months in Biden's administration, when I saw transsexuals uh in the White House lawn, flashing people, flashing.
• 42:00
  Whether you are uh on the right or on the left, you should be thanking God that Donald Trump was elected because the last few months in Biden's administration, when I saw transsexuals uh in the White House lawn, flashing people, flashing, oh my goodness, where are we going?
• 42:21
  Oh my goodness, where are we going?
• 42:24
  So and transsexualism, of course, you know, it's it's uh it was born.
• 42:24
  So and transsexualism, of course, you know, it's it's uh it was born out of this world of view that there is nothing transcendent, there is no transcendent truth, uh, I create my own truth, I create my own gender, no one is going to dictate uh if I'm male or female.
• 42:45
  I have my own truth, and I decide that I am a woman, even though I have uh, as Dr.
• 42:51
  Gassad would say, 12 inch penis.
• 42:54
  So that is that is how we ended up with this.
• 43:00
  It is the reaction to uh what uh what is seen in Christianity as a control and factor, while in reality, Christianity built everything that led to this moment, which is good, but now we're extending it, or they are extending it, and they're trying to destroy the system through the system itself.
• 43:29
  So just quick anecdote.
• 43:31
  I'm staying at the Millennium Hotel in New York right now, and I'm on the 20th floor.
• 43:35
  That's my my card in the room that says 20, etc.
• 43:39
  And I'm looking out the window, and I look, I look at all the other apartments, and it doesn't seem like the 20th floor.
• 43:47
  I should have a better view.
• 43:48
  So I'm counting all the buildings next to me, and they all total up to 13 or 14.
• 43:52
  They're different heights for the ceilings, but every at my parallel, all the other buildings are like six of them around here, they're all I should be at the 13th floor, whatever.
• 44:01
  So anyway, I went down for breakfast and I came back upstairs and I talked to the you know, one of the guys at the desk there, and he says, Oh, yeah, um, that's a good, you know, you could pickup.
• 44:10
  Because um, the first number, you know, the first out of 12 floors, they're staggered because they're duplex apartments, so we have the the rooms, and that so we basically double labeled them.
• 44:22
  So it turns out my floor is trans.
• 44:26
  You know, my floor is I'm on the 13th floor, but it identifies at the 20th floor.
• 44:34
  Um I just I just realized that as you were talking.
• 44:37
  Anyway, um, leaving that aside, I actually kind of we're kind of rounding out our time a little bit.
• 44:41
  We maybe 10 more minutes or so.
• 44:43
  Um, I'd like to get your perspective.
• 44:46
  Uh you know, uh anybody uh you know not asleep knows that there's uh you know certain actions in the Middle East and Southwest Asia and whatnot, and um, you know, it's not just you know, the little Satan and the big Satan fighting, speaking of state Satan, you know, Iran literally calls uh US the big Satan, or I don't know which which I forgot which one's big and little, but say Israel is a little Satan or whatever, it doesn't really matter.
• 45:11
  So they they see it.
• 45:12
  They at least you know they the mullahs such as they are, such as they still exist, see this as you know, good versus evil, they're the good, and and we're the Satan and whatnot.
• 45:22
  Um, but you know, it's also this little bit of like Shia versus Sunni and or you know, Persian, whatever versus Arab, whatever.
• 45:30
  There's a lot that you know, people have a lot of different kinds of distinctions.
• 45:33
  Uh Tom Lehrer, who recently passed away, had this song National Brotherhood Week, and everybody hates each other.
• 45:38
  And it's kind of the joke of the song.
• 45:40
  It's from like 50, 50 years ago.
• 45:43
  Um, but um, you know, what what's what's kind of the your concept of what's going on right now, either in the template of this kind of good and evil thing, or just in in politics and or in the pursuit of freedom, and and and kind of just a little nugget or a little raisin inside this cookie here.
• 46:01
  Um, you know, do are the are the changes that we sort of see in in the UAE um and Saudi or whatever uh towards a little bit of liberalism, liberalism, is this any type of possible reformation within certain branches of Islam and so forth, and or you know, getting rid of you know, if we can uh the theocracy aspects of of government in Iran and kind of their um you know 12 or whatever fatalism and andor dynastic approach, uh are these good things, can they happen?
• 46:32
  What's what's the the what you know what what's your kind of assessment?
• 46:39
  So first thing is to understand what's really happening in the Middle East.
• 46:45
  You need to look at what Iran did during this war.
• 46:49
  So the United States and Israel, they waged this war against your own right, but Iran was attacking which country the most.
• 46:58
  You know, do you have any idea?
• 47:01
  Well, I would say you know, by proxy, they were attacking Israel through Hamas and Hezbollah, but uh, you probably have a different answer to me.
• 47:07
  No, they're attacking Saudi.
• 47:10
  Their missiles and drones that like the majority of the missiles they fired were against the United Arab Emirates.
• 47:21
  So why is that?
• 47:23
  Well, because the United Arab Emirates represent what Iran is trying to stop the region from becoming.
• 47:35
  So when someone like David Smith says, oh, Islamic uh um violence is the result of Western uh oppression, that is idiotic.
• 47:49
  Because it was not um the Western oppression that led to the Barbary wars in the 17th century, and it is not Western oppression that led to this moment, it is a theology that is built on fear, on control, on collectivism.
• 48:13
  And when a country in that region is trying to slip, trying to get out of that system, it becomes very hated by those who want to maintain the status quo, want to keep the control, keeping the collectivist system.
• 48:31
  Now, you mentioned that at Arab Emirates uh and the information that is taking place there and in Saudi Arabia, and I always say this.
• 48:40
  The modernization that took place in the United Arab Emirates is in spite of Islam, not because of Islam.
• 48:47
  And that is why what Dr.
• 48:49
  Carlson said is also stupid.
• 48:51
  He said, Oh, look, Sharia uh uh gave birth to this great society.
• 48:57
  Look at our uh Baltimore and look at their Dubai.
• 49:00
  They're Dubai.
• 49:01
  Uh it's like it's not even worth responding to such stupidity.
• 49:01
  It's like it's not even worth responding to such stupidity.
• 49:05
  But anyway, the United Arab Emirates, they imported the Western system, the Western values, it runs on a Western software.
• 49:05
  But anyway, the United Arab Emirates, they imported the Western system, the Western values, it runs on a Western software.
• 49:14
  That's why the Native Emirates is successful.
• 49:14
  That's why the Native Arab Emirates is successful.
• 49:18
  In Saudi Arabia, it's different.
• 49:18
  In Saudi Arabia, it's different.
• 49:20
  I believe that the attempt at modernization is the result of economic economical concern, not ideological uh concern.
• 49:20
  I believe that the attempt at modernization is the result of economic economical concern, not ideological uh convictions.
• 49:31
  So they are trying to prepare for a post-oil era, not because they believe in uh importing these values.
• 49:40
  But Sheikh Zayed and the uh leaders of the Arab Emirates, they genuinely believe in what they're doing.
• 49:48
  The problem, however, is that whenever you have, for example, peace with Israel, between Muhammad Danwar Sadat and uh uh Israel, Egypt and Israel, between King Hussein of Jordan and Israel, this is uh on the leadership level, it's not on um the public level.
• 50:10
  And that's that's my concern about countries like the Arab Emirates, for example, even though they have been establishing this system and um solidifying it, but any change in the leadership could probably uh take the country in a different direction, um, because the political leadership uh usually determines how um people act and uh live.
• 50:38
  So for example, you have Islamic countries like Jordan banning the Muslim Brotherhood, they're not really banning uh political party like it happens in the West.
• 50:49
  They're banning every political aspect of Islam.
• 50:53
  Why?
• 50:54
  Because by banning that political party, the Muslim Brotherhood, they're telling their people, well, everything this party represents is now banned.
• 51:04
  However, in the West, when Donald Trump, for example, bans the Muslim Brotherhood, if that happens on a federal level, it would be uh banned on a political party.
• 51:19
  But the same world view, the same principles uh could be established under a different name, different banner.
• 51:28
  You cannot ban the ideas in these countries, the leadership, because it's Islamic and dictatorships, they are capable of banning the idea itself.
• 51:41
  So are you following me?
• 51:42
  Do you do you see what's uh the difference here?
• 51:45
  So um, so that is that is my concern.
• 51:49
  Um look at uh what's what's taking place in Syria, for example, today in Syria, there is um uh a leadership that is coming from directly from ISIS and Al Qaeda, uh hundreds of thousands of jihadists that are ruling uh uh very strategic country uh in the region today, but of course, in order to gain this um acceptance in uh from the international community, they're trying to um you know do few things that would uh project or reflect some kind of reformation or whatever, but it's not really it's not really uh it's not a reality.
• 52:37
  The reality is what we have seen in Sweda in the coast, the massacres of Druze and Alawites and Christians, um, but uh so that is my problem with uh this false um um description of Islamic reformation.
• 52:59
  What is referred to as Islamic reformation today is actually um some decisions are being made on the leadership level, it's not ideological transformation.
• 53:16
  So there's a lot there.
• 53:17
  So um uh I'm willing to give you kind of free ring for closing statement.
• 53:22
  What are your thoughts?
• 53:24
  I mean, we you can talk about the book a little bit, um, and again, just for our our viewers and listeners, it's Islam, Israel, and the West.
• 53:31
  What are your um I'm sorry, I I lost you for I lost you for a second.
• 53:48
  Yeah, sorry about that.
• 53:50
  Uh is there such a thing as as uh peace in the works?
• 53:53
  Um sorry, I didn't hear the last, I must have a weak connection, I apologize.
• 54:03
  I'll cut that part out.
• 54:04
  But but basically, um uh what are your you know basic uh thoughts or predictions for the region?
• 54:13
  Well, even though I have uh pessimistic um view, but I believe that um Europe is the new center of Islamic jihad, and Zemic leadership across the Islamic world, they realize that um they need to do something different, they need to follow uh um in the footsteps of the leaders of the United Arab Emirates in order to build great economies, so they are suppressing Islamic movements that uh are trying to uh implement Sharia or to bring back the glories of the caliphate.
• 55:00
  Uh and that's why we will see more progress, more prosperity in the Middle East because of the political uh decision uh of uh Muslim leaders um, but unfortunately, Europe, democracy and freedom in Europe would be exploited, and jihad and Islamic jihad would find a new center for itself, already did actually, and Europe would be exporting Islamic jihad to the rest of the world.
• 55:36
  So that is my prediction, and uh whenever I say this, people laugh at me, but I actually believe that at one point um European Islamic countries would declare war against uh infidel secular uh country of Saudi Arabia to liberate the Kaaba and Mecca.
• 55:58
  So that's uh that's the future.
• 56:00
  That's uh that's the future.
• 56:03
  Well, thank you so much for that, Danny.
• 56:03
  Well, thank you so much for that, Danny.
• 56:05
  Uh so people can find you um at uh uh Dan, and it's like Burma, the country uh of Myanmar, I guess.
• 56:05
  Uh so people can find you um at uh uh Dan and it's like Burma of the Country, uh Myanmar, I guess.
• 56:14
  Uh so Dan Ramawi, W Y for X in your book uh is uh Islam Israel in the West that you can purchase on Amazon and you have the IDI Center, uh the ideological defense institute, and people can follow that as well.
• 56:14
  Uh so Dan Bramawi, W Y for X, and your book uh is uh Islam Israel in the West that you can purchase on Amazon and you have the IDI Center, uh the Ideological Defense Institute, and people can follow that as well.
• 56:30
  Uh I'm very much in your debt for being here.
• 56:32
  Uh I appreciate your uh um forthright uh views and bravery, and thank you for coming on.
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