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Netflix FYSEE 2026 - The Art of Costume LIVE · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Welcome to The Art of Costume Live at Netflix FYC 2026.
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Thank you all so much for being here.
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My name is Spencer Williams and I'm the founder of The Art of
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Costume and also host Out of Art of Costume podcast.
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I'm also your host for this evening.
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Speaking of the podcast, thanks to the brilliant teams here on
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Netflix, I'm excited to share that this conversation we are
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about to have with these three epic costume designers is
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actually being recorded. So you all are actually our
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first ever live studio audience. So with that being said, please
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give a big hello to all of those out there listening and watching
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at home, suffering in silence on the treadmill somewhere or
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listening in their cars. So please give a huge round of
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applause. With that, we have a lot to get
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into today. So I'm so excited to dive into
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three incredible Netflix series today, each made better by the
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brilliant storytelling talents of the costume designers that
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you are about to meet. Without further ado, let's bring
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them out for our first costume designer.
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You would think that time away at a Country Club would be a
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relaxing time, but the feud between these millennial and
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Gen. Z couples made sure that was
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anything but that. From the second season of the
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hit series Beef, please welcome Olga Mill.
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Our next costume designer brought Los Angeles romance to
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life through effortless style, complicated families, and one
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very expected love story between a rabbi and an agnostic
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podcaster. For nobody wants this.
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Please welcome Nagar, Ali, Klein, and finally 11 Mike,
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Will, Lucas, Max and Dustin. For three seasons, this next
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costume designer designed the costumes for some of the most
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iconic characters on television today.
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And just a few months ago, we witnessed the epic series finale
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from Stranger Things. Please welcome Amy Paris.
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Hey, Amy. All right, hey crew, it's good
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to see you and thank you all for being here.
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Let's talk about Beef. This show was crazy.
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I've been sweating non-stop since watching Beef.
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Let's start by talking about our two couples, specifically
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Lindsay and Josh. Lindsay and Josh are millennial
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couple. Josh is the general manager,
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while Lindsay's just trying to make the best of things.
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When I look at their costumes, I think aspirational, but then at
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the same time there's also something a little bit off to,
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especially with Josh, like he's always just trying just a little
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too hard and it just kind of shows when you look at his
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costumes. That was totally intended.
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So everything went according to plan.
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Yeah, there's like, I think a try hardness to to him or I, I
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guess zooming out more like a millennial thing in general that
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we tried to pinpoint, which is painful because like I'm in, I'm
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a millennial. It was very close to home, but I
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kind of like hyper optimization and really like trying to fit in
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really hard, right? Like they want to be cool LA
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couple and all of these like spaces that they get access to
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through the club. Right, the awkward moment
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getting dressed this morning was trying to emulate Josh and then
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putting all this research together and finding finding
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this out. It was funny like Oscar and I
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would have a joke on set of sometimes like seeing people on
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set in a very Josh like outfit, you know like a contrasting
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white sneaker, a slightly fitted suit, slightly like higher pant
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leg. I'm going to think about this
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now for the next couple of weeks.
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Lindsay, in comparison to Josh, though, feels like she has
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nothing to prove. She moves around a club kind of
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like a monarch, just curating, curating spaces, people and
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seemingly dressing the part. So can you speak to Lindsay's
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costume story when we first meet her character at the club?
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I. Think Lindsay's kind of like
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anchoring concept was that her like biggest fear in life would
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be to be called basic, right? She like knows how to fit in in
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this world, but very much wants to like remind everybody
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consistently that she's a little bit above it.
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Her whole kind of like identity as like I'm a designer, I have
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really good taste was at the forefront.
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And so Grace Yeon, who's the production designer and I really
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wanted her to feel kind of like swallowed up or overwhelmed by
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patterns, right? Like kind of like her own taste
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is like choking her a little bit, right?
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So there is a kind of like heavy-handed use of pattern for
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sure. And what else about Lindsay?
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I would say like Marie Antoinette in her shepherd's
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garden was another like, big concept, right?
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Because like Montecito and Ojai in general just being kind of an
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escape from an urban center and like really rich people playing
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in a pastoral fantasy, kind of. I'm dressing the part.
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Yes, like all sort of boils down to like a doe and dress, you
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know? Yeah.
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Wow, I'm playing house today. This is fun, but then we meet
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Ashley and Austin, our Gen. Z couple who essentially kick
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off the season's beef and they could not feel any more
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different from Lindsay and Josh. Can you talk about the research
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you did into generational style differences between millennials
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and Gen. Z and how that informed a
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costume storytelling for these younger characters?
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I am also a cusp millennial so I also take the millennial side by
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like 2 months so. It's interesting because it's
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like, I think in the like millennial trajectory, it's just
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about the time where like you can look back enough to like
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assess right and like really see trends.
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But for Gen. Z world, really for both of
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them, we kind of approached it like anthropologically research
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wise. So I like interviewed some like
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Gen. Z folks, also millennial folks
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just to be like, where, where do you go?
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And for for Gen. Z, it was really like
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prioritizing like thrifted things.
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Like it's not about optimization.
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It was more about like individuality and like
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authenticity and how do you show that?
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And how do you show that? Like you don't care about the
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like, millennial artisanal Ness of their aesthetic, right?
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So let's talk about Charles Melton's character, Austin.
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I mean, he feels so authentically him.
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He does not change in the first couple episodes.
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I mean, he even there's a moment where he's supposed to go get
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some new clothes for Ashley and he just completely almost kind
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of blows it off. He goes and just grab some
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clothes for her from the thrift store and he's like, this will
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work for you, right? And she's kind of like, sure,
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great. Thanks.
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Talk about his costume story at the beginning of this series and
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what your collaboration was like with him.
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In the beginning of the series, he's supposed to be kind of
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like, you know, I actually like I found a guy on Instagram that
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was like a real model for won't reveal names, but it was just
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like, it was like a a random person that I found, but they
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had like a beachiness to them. And we kind of infused that with
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his like workout silhouette, right.
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But it should look like he's kind of going from the beach to
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the BBQ to the gym and it's all like a little sun washed and
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cozy. And then as like the season goes
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on, all his fabrics kind of transition into a more like
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workout sweat wicking side of life.
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But yeah, he's just supposed to be a kind of like, I'm not
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schlubby, but like beach bum cozy, I would say, right?
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And Ashley though, she feels like someone who maybe is a
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little lost at the beginning and she's trying to find her
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identity. But then I guess spoiler alert,
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I won't say too much, but by the end of the show most feels like
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she almost becomes the very thing she's beefing with with I
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would say throughout this series.
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For sure. I mean she's somebody who we
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like talked a lot about not being grounded, having like a
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really anxious attachment style, right.
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So she's gonna like mirror whoever she is intimidated by.
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So it's no spoilers, right? Or we?
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I. Think we can.
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So it's like, yeah, when when Eunice is is the person that's
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like kind of causing her grief, she starts dressing like Eunice.
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And then as she gets closer to Lindsay, like by the end when
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they're in Korea and she's in that like big Paisley dress,
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she's very much like emulating Lindsay.
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And then she's in like a green suit mimicking Josh in the very
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beginning. But yeah, just a very like
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ungrounded person, which I think is like Sunny and I talked about
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that being like a youthful experience of trying to find
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yourself. Right, so now we need to talk
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about Chairwoman Park. I know that she's considered the
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villain of the story to some, but like, yeah, I know.
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Like, maybe. I don't know.
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I'm team chairwoman, yeah. I kind of am, too.
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Like, yeah, she's hurt some people, maybe some murders here
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and there, but like, yeah, whatever.
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Incredible style, though. Unimaginable wealth.
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And she looks good doing it. She has a younger husband and
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then I feel like she's trying to relate to everyone at the
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Country Club. She has this leather jacket over
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the shoulder moment, talk about her costumes.
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I just, I feel like she's really emulating youth when she's at
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the Country Club. Yeah.
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I mean, YJ was like, so fun to dress.
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I think like Sunny and I had an idea of Chairwoman Park that was
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originally really like based in just like research of super
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wealthy Korean business women, which was much more of like a
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neutrals cashmere space. And then after YJ and I met and
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she has like such a great personal style too.
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And we started talking about it more like, yeah, this woman
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married a younger husband. She bought this club.
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Like there's something really sexy about her and really
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worldly and like kind of a little badass and and hence like
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putting in pieces like the leather jacket and things like
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that. That felt kind of unexpected.
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Yeah, we support her rights and we also support her wrongs.
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We're we're excited about. Like if I had to hang out with
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anyone to have dinner with any of them, right?
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She tried to invite them to a couple dinners.
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They just also were nervous the whole time.
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So I'm not going to let you go before we talk about the real
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star of the show. And we talked about a lot of
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glamorous people on the show, but there is no one I want to
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talk about more than our beloved Burberry, the dog who belongs to
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our our first couple. I'm so lucky to have seen some
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fitting photos you sent me of you and Burberry.
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Was Burberry a diva in those fittings?
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What was it like working with the Dachshund?
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So an inspiration, an icon, an icon, number one on the call
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sheet. No, that was so fun.
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I think actually like the photo you saw, we made it.
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It ended up not being in the show, which was hard, but we
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made him a matching like kind of like when Lindsay sees herself
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as one of the other women in the like pastel matching yoga
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outfits. Anyway, Burberry had one of
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those which are tailor made. It was so fun.
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I love dogs. It was like an extension of
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Lindsay. There actually was quite a bit
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of thought that went into it and like Sunny and I would joke
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we're like spending a lot of time on and but it's important.
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Like it's what Lindsay would pay so much attention to.
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So like we did as well for sure. Yeah, worth it.
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Well, I loved it. You should consider maybe a
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dachshund line at some point, or just a dog line in general, but
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we'll talk about that after. Let's talk about Nobody wants
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This with Nagar. Ellie Klein, big fan of the
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show. I just started a couple weeks
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ago and I am obsessed. I am obsessed with these
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couples. That's all I'm thinking about.
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I've been crying a lot, laughing a lot.
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I'm in love, lots of thoughts and feelings.
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So in the first season, we watched the beginning of Joanne
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and Noah's relationship. And like any new relationship,
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everyone is putting their best foot forward.
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Right when you first are in that relationship, you're worried
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about your outfits. You're going to the store and
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picking new outfits out. But in season 2, the reality
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starts setting in. Joanne is grappling with her
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identity and sense of security within a relationship, while
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Noah's own aspirations begin to shift.
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So going into the season, what story did he want to tell
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differently through Joanne and Noah's costumes?
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So season 2 picks up a week after, you know, the we end with
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the bar mitzvah end of season 1 and season 2 picks up a week
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after. So now they're sort of getting
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cozy in their love bubble, you know, Joanne and Noah are.
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So we see them kind of spending time at home in bed and their
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sweats and all the rest. And with Noah specifically,
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because he really does have a bit of a, you know, crisis in
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his career in Season 2 where he starts, you know, he starts to
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work at Temple Ahava. So there was a bit of, you know,
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transformation with his style. We were sort of thinking about
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it and like he was going into this new environment with people
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that were a little bit more creative, progressive, you know,
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they were like hipsters. And so he was trying to
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ingratiate himself with these into this new environment.
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So he was dressing like a little bit more cool and trying out new
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things to kind of fit in with Joanne, You know, the way we
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sort of thought about Joanna and Noah as a couple, as you know,
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some sometimes with couples, you'll see like they, they start
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kind of speaking alike or they pick up each other's cadence or
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intonations or, you know, mannerisms.
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And sometimes their style, you know, they start affecting each
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other with their styles. So with Noah, we saw him
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incorporating more color into his wardrobe, and that was sort
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of Joanne's inspiring him to do so.
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And vice versa with Joanne dressing like, for example, her
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first Shabbat with the rock gloves, like, you know, dressing
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in a way that, you know, she really wanted the family to like
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her and for her to fit in into this new space.
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So they're both trying to sort of fit into these new spaces
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that they're finding themselves in, and we tried to convey that
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through their wardrobe. And another character that I
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just love, and I saw her costume out in the lobby before we came
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in. Morgan, she's Joanne's sister.
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And while they're not complete opposites, Morgan definitely
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likes to push the envelope outside just a little bit more.
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There's always a great scene in every season where we need to
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phone a friend and Morgan will show up to a scene to cause a
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little bit of drama. And she has to have the best
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outfit on and kind of, you know, stir up a little little bit of
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fun. And now this season, she's
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engaged her therapist, which is definitely a great idea.
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So everyone thinking about doing that, So tell me about Morgan's
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costume story this season and how her confidence shows through
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her costumes. Yeah, Morgan is loves attention,
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right? She's she's provocative.
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She's, she's wants to walk in, wants all eyes on her as we see
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the way she enters into the, the 1st dinner party in, in the
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first episode, you know, with Joanne and Morgan, there's
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definitely an overlap in their style, right, 'cause they're
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sisters sort of thought like, you know, they probably fought
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over clothes growing up and they shared clothes, but they also
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have their own distinct style. They're both fashion girls.
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You know, it's, it's actually kind of rare that in costume
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design you're thinking about trends because you're really,
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you know, just thinking about what's right for the character.
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But in this case, I feel like Joanne and Morgan are paying
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attention to trends. So it's only natural that we're
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incorporating, you know, trends into some of their costume
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choices. So yeah, Morgan, in terms of
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silhouette, we, they, they sort of have distinct style in, in
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terms of like the silhouettes. Like with Joanne, she's a bit
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more tailored. You know, her uniform consists
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of like a lot of great denim and trousers.
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And with Morgan, it's like shorter miniskirts and
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oversized. I mean really short, like no
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pants in that, in that first fitting when she came in, we
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gave her those, you know, shorts to wear.
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She was like, OK, where what do I put on top?
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We're like, no, that's the look. There's no other piece that's.
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A wrap it's. Like, oh, and even in the
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fitting, we were like, no, it's fashion.
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There's no other piece. And then she ad libbed that into
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that scene when she walks and she's like, what?
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It's fashion. So it's really funny.
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But yeah, so they they overlap for sure.
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But you know, we definitely tried to like, individualize
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them as well. Yeah, she's quite provocative.
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She's so much fun though. It's season 2, episode 6.
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Joanna and her family attend the first Param celebration, which
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gives us an entire episode full of costumes.
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I've been seeing the costumes appear on the screen behind us.
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Joanna is dressed like a Princess.
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Bina is Queen Elizabeth 2, the longest reigning queen.
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She wants everyone to know that Noah is a vampire, Lynn is
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Madonna. It feels like this episode was
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an enormous undertaking. There's a lot more costumes I
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didn't even mention. Can you talk about designing and
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pulling together all the looks for that episode?
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That episode was a heavy lift because we, we really only had
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about four days to prep. And actually some of the
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costumes kept changing. Like, at one point, Bina was
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supposed to be Charlie Chaplin and, and there was a few other
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ideas that, you know, they were floating around, but we ended
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up, you know, doing her as Queen Elizabeth because poem, the idea
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of poem is that you're dressed as, like, your shadow self.
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And so, yeah, that was a big episode to put together in four
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days. And because we have such great
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vendors, you know, people makers that were able to push things
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through for us. Yeah, we were able to make it
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happen. Like Stephanie, Pharisee Lynn's
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costume, the Madonna costume, That's something that we made.
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And they were able to make it like within 48 hours, which is
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unbelievable. And we're really grateful to
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have, you know, vendors like that and makers in LA that are
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able to do that. So that's, yeah, that's how it
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came together, just came together.
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A lot of work, and one of the things I love most about this
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show is just how deeply rooted it feels in Los Angeles, just to
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like a lot of Los Angeles prides in the locations and just how
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authentically LA it feels. I'd love to hear more about your
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process and preparation going into each episode and how you
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approach building this visual world that we all know and love.
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Well, I grew up in LA, so I feel like I have kind of an intrinsic
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sense of this world. I mean, of course, Los Angeles
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is such a diverse place, and we're really just showing such a
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small slice of Los Angeles. But we, you know, we love LA and
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I think that shines through. And you know, we source a lot of
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LA designers, jewelry designers, fashion designers, we work with
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tons of people in town that make things for us.
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So that's definitely top of mind is to incorporate LA based
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designers. And a lot of the characters are
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based on people I know here, you know, like Bina is based on
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family members or like my really good friends, aunts.
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So I'm drawing a lot from my own personal life on this project,
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which is also unique. So it's, it's in that sense it's
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really fun because, you know, I look at the characters and I see
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some of my friends in them and, you know, that's, that's pretty
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cool. Yeah, it's so much fun and I'm
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excited to see what's coming up next.
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Can't wait. It's coming around the corner it
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sounds like. Yeah, it is.
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It is. Thank you.
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Thank you, Amy Paris, Stranger Things.
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What a journey First, I just want to say congratulations on
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wrapping Stranger things a massive undertaking.
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What's what was it almost seven years you were on Stranger
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Things? For me it.
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Was seven years, Yeah, I mean. That's a round of applause.
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For the majority of the crew that have been on since the
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beginning, it ended up being about a decade once the show
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came out. So those people are the MVPS,
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really. But I do feel lucky to have
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started on Season 3 and then kept getting asked back.
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It's much fun, so I kept doing it.
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I did have to go to Atlanta for it.
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You know, I'm born and raised here, would love to work here.
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Hopefully we'll get work coming back here, but you know, the
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jobs that were offered were in Atlanta.
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So I've been there quite a lot back and forth for about 7
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years. So it's kind of a relief to be
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done, yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's been
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such a journey. When you look back from, you
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know, going back to Star Court Mall back in Season 3 all the
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way to this epic final showdown with ECNA, you know, that we
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were all going to the movie theaters on New Year's Eve to
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watch. Was the series meant to you
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personally and creatively as a costume designer?
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I think personally, much like you, I kind of like, I didn't
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design around relatives, but I used relatives as my research.
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So I used like family photos when I got the job and started
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like searching for real people. So it felt really authentic.
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And the Duffer brothers are about my age, so it was nice to
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be able to have a lot of similar references.
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So it's very nostalgic for me, you know, like being in the
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Wheeler house, I was like, those were our dishes.
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We had that screen door. So a lot of the stuff was so
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authentic, not only in the clothes, but the production
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design and the hair products and the hair clips and stuff.
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So it really brought back a lot of memories and just felt really
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kind of special to kind of relive your childhood as an
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adult in a weird way. Yeah.
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Yeah, we've literally watched this cast grow up before our
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eyes, and I'm sure you know that better than anyone in this room.
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And throughout all these years, the costumes have helped these
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characters hold on to their identities, values and personal
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style. This season also felt very
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ensemble driven. There were fewer costumes,
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costume changes, but there were also a lot more action
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sequences. And I'm guessing that means a
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lot more multiples because a lot more action, a lot more, you
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know, scenes and upside down. Blood.
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A lot more blood, a lot more goo, and so on and so forth.
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So how did you approach this season to keep these characters
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instantly recognizable as themselves amid this looming
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showdown with Vecna, battle armor included?
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Let's leave 11 out of this part well.
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I will say that I was a little disappointed that I didn't get
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more costume changes. You know, it was so limited.
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I only really got to do like 2 kind of big outfits for this
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whole season. So knowing I needed so many
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multiples, I just tried to build everything or rely on vendors
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that wanted to make stuff for us.
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We were very lucky. Guests made jeans for us.
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They made some other garments, but they pulled from their
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archives. Benetton made some stuff for us,
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which led to a collaboration for me, which was really exciting
25:15
and super special. But I really wanted to bring the
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silhouette and the colors back to seasons one and two because
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those first two seasons, which were beautifully done, not by
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me, but I really liked how they did it.
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And those were shot in in the fall.
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So I took over. It was summer, then it was
25:30
spring, then Hawkins, you know, 87 in the final season, I kind
25:35
of full circle brought back a lot of silhouettes and colors
25:39
that felt like the characters seasons early on.
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So like, Nancy's jacket is very similar to a jacket she had and
25:45
just little colors and like pops like in Will that I brought back
25:48
just to make it feel like, OK, these are the characters and
25:51
we're seeing their final story. As much as they've changed,
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they're still kind of the same. You know, like you kind of find
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a color that you like that's in your closet all the time, or you
25:59
might love a pattern that you always gravitate towards.
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I think that's us as humans do that for comfort, but still kind
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of showing like growth when that within that.
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So, you know, it's like a lot of time to think about the ensemble
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and make sure nobody was in too much of the same color and there
26:14
weren't too many hoodies or too many vests.
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So while we do have a lot of time to make this show, it goes
26:20
by really fast. And then to make that stuff,
26:22
you're constantly building and and pivoting for the schedule
26:26
that's changing, right? A lot of full circle moments for
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a lot of these characters and there were some scenes where I
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mean there was what, like 10-11 of them all in the same room.
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I think we. Have like 16 principles, 16 main
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people. That's a.
26:38
Lot let's talk about 11. She had two stand out looks this
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season that I just absolutely loved and one of them is
26:43
actually out in the lobby, so I'm excited you all get to go
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see it after this. When it appeared on my screen, I
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merely thought, oh, Eleven must have been watching The Goonies
26:54
right before she decided to go take on Vecna, which made me
26:57
super excited. The sweat shorts layered over
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the sweatpants, such a look. And of course, there's a wet
27:04
suit look, which almost gives 11 this like unexpected superhero
27:07
quality before she goes to battle.
27:09
So can you talk about developing those two major costume moments
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for 11 in this final season? Yeah, it was kind of exactly
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that. She, you know, doesn't have Max
27:18
to guide her in fashion anymore. She's sort of living out in the
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middle of nowhere. So she's going to turn to like
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media and she's watched movies and she probably saw Goonies and
27:27
she probably saw Josh Brolin looking buff, right?
27:31
So she wants to be comfortable. I also want the actor to be
27:33
comfortable. And we shoot for over a year.
27:35
So I know that she's going to be in the summer and the winter and
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that outfit kind of balanced comfort, plus it might keep her
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sort of warm and keep her sort of cool when needed.
27:43
But it was like a micro trend in the 80s, you know, like our
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fashion, fashion is so fast. Now imagine, you know, 80s was
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much slower, but there were some weird fashion moments and shorts
27:53
over sweats was a thing. And I know there's people
27:55
younger that don't believe it and think it's a hideous choice,
27:58
but I still stand by it. But I'm a little higher than I
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think kids in the 80s would have like.
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To. Make those shorts up.
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But I stand by that outfit as kind of being a good one.
28:08
And then and then the Duffers didn't want the wet suit to be
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more of like a superhero outfit. And they were adamant that it
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had to be that. And we were all worried because
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it was dead of summer when we started to shoot this, the A DS
28:18
were worried. I went to her house to fit her
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and they were like, can you please take her outside and let
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her feel how hot it's going to be?
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So we're in her house. She loves the outfit.
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It's going to be fine. I'm like, can you please go
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outside? We go outside and she's like
28:29
immediately, no, we ended up cutting the neckline so that
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she'd have some breathing room just to kind of not feel so
28:37
stifled and claustrophobic in such a hot garment.
28:39
It was like 3mm neoprene. So you have to kind of make
28:44
concessions for an actor's comfort and just considering
28:47
like how often they're going to be in it.
28:48
You have somebody in a wet suit for hours and days in a row.
28:52
So we made some adjustments to that wet suit.
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We put like mesh in the armpits and gave her like a Velcro to
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easily go to the restroom and stuff.
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So Body Glove was very, we were very grateful to have Body Glove
29:04
kindly supply those wet suits for us.
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I think they made about 20 and I was like, there's no way we're
29:08
going to go through 20. And I think we went through
29:09
almost like all of them. I think we had 19 used wet suits
29:13
which is a lot of multiples. We didn't go through 20, yeah.
29:16
And then, you know, you have the battle of like, trying to make
29:18
sure it looks wet and how do you make it look wet, but the actor
29:20
doesn't want to be wet, right? That was fun.
29:24
We also spend a lot of time in Vecna's mind this season where
29:26
we find Max and Holly and Max has been trapped for years
29:30
inside Vecna's mindscape and has embraced A nomadic life, nomadic
29:35
lifestyle and has taken refuge in a very mysterious cave.
29:38
So there's a lot of it looks like a little Easter eggs and
29:41
Max's outfit. We also get to meet Holly
29:44
Wheeler, who we nickname Holly the Heroic within the within
29:51
Becky's mind. So can we talk about these two
29:53
characters and how you developed their costumes, which were so
29:56
primarily outside of Hawkins and Upside Down?
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So this is kind of whole new unexplored area for Stranger
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Things. It was, and the direction was
30:05
just like a patchwork of an outfit for Max.
30:08
You know, she's gathering pieces from memories that Vecna has in
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his mind or technically Henry. So I imagine she's going through
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his house, which we know she's done.
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That's where Holly's trapped in the Creole house.
30:19
So I took fabric from season 4's shirts and we ripped that up and
30:23
put that as patches on her pants.
30:25
So only like a really keen eye would notice.
30:27
But I know there's viewers that see that kind of stuff.
30:29
So I felt important to like, RIP up a multiple, which, you know,
30:32
they're so delicate when you have multiples on a big show
30:34
where you need them for all the goo.
30:36
But I knew it was season 5. I was like, I think we're OK
30:39
now. So we made that as patches for
30:42
her pants. And there's like, jewelry
30:45
holding her clothes together. The idea is she's gathered it
30:48
from, say, like Joyce's closet, Henry's closet, you know, that
30:53
kind of thing. So it was a mismatch of layers
30:55
and pieces. And then Holly the Heroic, I
30:57
knew the Duffers wanted a blue dress, but I knew there would
31:00
not be any good multiple dress. We've actually printed the
31:03
fabric so that we could remake the dresses because she grows.
31:05
And so as kids grow, you need to make sure their hem length and
31:08
all the pieces are still kind of growing with that kid.
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And I knew we wouldn't have enough fabric because if you
31:13
find, say, a blue fabric and you buy the roll, you buy the roll
31:16
again. And the dye law is different.
31:18
So I just thought, let's control it and make our own fabric so
31:22
that dress, even the solid color is printed because I knew there
31:25
would be no way to like match it.
31:28
But that was fun to get to do and collaborate with props
31:30
because they made the necklace match and stuff.
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So, you know, she's kind of her own little superhero as well.
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Yeah, the Boy Scout, the little pimp.
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Yeah, I love that little beef. Well, that's actually all the
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time we have. That is a wrap.
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Please give a huge round of applause to our three costume
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designers, Olga Mill, the GAR, Ali Klein and Amy Paris.
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Please don't forget to stream Beef Nobody Wants Us and
31:52
Stranger Things on Netflix. And thanks for coming out.