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Georgia History: MLK Jr · Two Takes, One Marriage

• In-Person: welcome back. How you doing, babe? susan: hello back we In-Person: You're back. Did you did you go somewhere? susan: weren't here last week Yeah, we weren't here last week and we had a recorded episode that I could have used but I really didn't want to use it. just yet. I wanted to save it. So that was... In-Person: Yeah, we weren't here last week and we had a recorded episode that I could have used, but I really didn't want to use it just yet. I wanted to save it. So that was that was on me. But yeah, we're we're back now. So give us your two weeks Braves update. Cause you have the Dodgers series that you have to cover and Well we both of those. We didn't do good in the Diamondback series. We lost that series. Then we susan: Well, didn't do good in two series. We didn't do good in the Diamondbacks series. We lost that series. Then we won the one we won the makeup game is White Sox. Then we lost two and two in Milwaukee and then in the Little League Classic we won for the final game against Milwaukee. Then we came back home and swept two series against the Dodgers. Curseale pitched a complete game on Thursday night. And, Yeah, he had some very close friend of his family pass away and he. In-Person: Didn't he make a tribute to someone that night? Yeah, he had some a very close friend of his family pass away and he susan: Kind of. Was motivated to do better than. Pitch the whole game. So yeah, we're on a 7 game win streak. We brought. In-Person: was motivated to do better and s pitch the whole game. so yeah, we're on a seventh game one streak. We brought the Phillies were f fighting back again, but then we started susan: The Phillies were fighting back again, but then we started a one streak. So we're getting our lead on Philly back. right now we have the second best record in the league. In-Person: A one streak so we're getting our lead on Philly back. right now we have the second best r record in the league. susan: We took it over the Dodgers. So we are second seed. So right now we're looking at a bye, but I mean, there's still a month left in the season. So the Brewers are the best record in baseball. yeah, In-Person: we took it over the Dodgers, so we are second seed. Right now we're looking at a bye, but I mean there's still a month left in season. The Brewers are first. Yeah, Brewers are the best record in baseball. Brewers are first and then my Braves are second. Like my top my two teams. Woo. susan: we're right now we're playing a makeup game against San Francisco. Yeah. In-Person: Yeah. So far it's tied. susan: Yeah, they keep going up and then they get a run back because elders led up to home runs and a couple of singles in the first. I thought Walt was about to take him out this time. So we're looking good. Things are heating up for the postseason. Tyler Mallee is looking amazing. He's only led up five runs since joining the Braves in his starts. In-Person: and then they br they get a run back 'cause Elders let up two home runs and a couple of singles in the first I thought Walt was about to take him out just then. so we're looking good. Things are heating up for the postseason. Tyler Malley's looking amazing. He's only let up s five runs since joining the Braves in his starts. susan: And he didn't walk anybody yesterday on his... Yeah, so... Nine strikeouts. So... So we're excited. In-Person: Seven inning stretch. Yeah. So he went seven innings and got eight strikeouts. Nine strikeouts. Nine strikeouts. He was killing it. However, yesterday was very, very aggressive because the Braves could not figure out the change up that the pitcher wanted to do. Jonah was very frustrated about it. Well, if he just kept swinging at it when susan: You're out the change up that the pitcher wanted to do. John was very frustrated about it. We just kept swinging at it when. Like they should have known it was coming like why are we swinging and all the pitches are in the same spot where our guys were striking out, so. But. And now it's looking like we're going to go down again. Anyways. So that's the Braves news. Got a month left in the season. Excited to get things fired up for the postseason. Hopefully we can make a deep run. Don't listen to Murphy. Go three. Go three. No, wouldn't have. In-Person: But that's the Braves news. Got a month left in the season. Excited to get things fired up for the postseason. Hopefully we can make a deep run. Don't listen to Murphy. Go three. go three. No, I wouldn't everyone. susan: I wouldn't have gotten him out. so yeah, it's looking like we have a very solid number two pitcher behind so and Tyler Malley and AJ Smith Schroeder is just getting better being back Jarvis Jarv- well, alright In-Person: solid number two pitcher behind sale on Tyler Malley and AJ Smith Trousers just getting better being back. Jarvis. Jar well where susan: I didn't say we didn't record last week. So they sent drivers back down I'm a little peeped about that. I mean get it, he wasn't doing that well, but at the same time like... It's... In-Person: it say any we didn't record last week so send Jarvis back down. I'm a little I'm a little peeved about that. I mean I get it he wasn't doing that well but at the same time like it's susan: It's gonna happen. Your ace players have bad weeks. Too. So, I don't know. Like Hansan can... How many games he's been in all year? In-Person: It's gonna happen. Your ace players have bad weeks too, so I don't know. Like Han San Kim. How many games he's been in all year? Like He did did he really do much the last few games? He was just in one game the last few games. Yeah, Walk's giving him a little more reps because of the big hit that he had against the Dodgers. and then they paid him twenty million dollars, so they got to do something with him. susan: Yeah Yeah, well it's giving them a little more reps because of the big hit that he had against the Dodgers And then they Paid him 20 million dollars, so they got to do something with them And Maricio de Bon is gonna be taking most of the starts at shortstop now that we have all full outfield so the bonds of a utility player you can play every position yeah I mean he comes if we have a well no we had Horheim with Taylor dude did pitching but I think if a position player has to come in he's one of the picks for In-Person: gonna be taking most of s starts at short stop now that we have all full outfit. So does does DeBon normally play? DeBon's a utility player, he can play every position. Really? Can he pitch or no? Yeah, I mean he comes in if we have a well no, we have Jorge Metaylor do did pitching, but I think if a position player has to come in, he's one of the picks for pitching. Yeah. But he but like he can susan: pitching but he's not like a You can play everything by catcher and pitcher. In-Person: But so he could play catcher and pitcher. Wow. That's impressive. I mean, is it hard to do that though? Really truly? I mean it's just yeah, I mean 'cause third base is the hot corner, so like you have to be quick. A short stop. If you can if you can play short stop you can't he looks exactly like Elder. Not not really. I mean a little bit. Foul. susan: Yup. I don't. Yeah, because third base is the hot corner. So like you have to be quick shortstop. If you can, if you can play shortstop, you can play. Not really. and that's a foul. In-Person: Real time stress right now. So susan: So right now it's looking like we can't beat San Diego this year, like half the teams out west. So yeah, we're excited for the postseason. In-Person: looking like we can't beat San Diego this year, like half the teams in out west. so yeah. We're excited for the postseason. We're also excited starting in five days guys. Yeah, so I was about to talk about that. You're gonna start getting some updates. We'll start getting SEC updates. susan: Yeah, so was about to talk about that The SEC is back you'll start getting SEC updates There was no SEC teams that played this last weekend But yep, my tides coming back to play this weekend sort of the dogs In-Person: There's no SCC teams that played this last weekend. But yeah, are like Tyrants coming back to play this weekend, sort of the dogs. Yeah. Okay, so elaborate are you gonna focus on just like 'cause right now the main focus for you has been the Braves with the with the sports susan: Are you gonna focus on just like cuz right now the main focus for you has been the Braves with the with the sports In-Person: segment of this. Yeah. susan: segment of this. Are you going to be one team for football? Or do you plan on talking about maybe two teams? Because keep in mind who your listeners are. Some of them are Georgia fans, some of them are Alabama fans, and so maybe you could keep up with both. And kind of also keep up with SEC. In-Person: Are you going to be one team for football? Or do you plan on talking about maybe two teams? Because keep in mind who your listeners are. Some of are Georgia fans, some of are Alabama fans, and so maybe you could keep up with both. And kinda also help our audience. I'm keeping up with this. Well like 'cause I usually watch a lot of the games on the SEC games on Friday on Saturdays. Yeah, I know, but also you have like only it's just been horrible the last few weeks. susan: Because I usually watch a lot of the games on- the SEC games on Friday- on Saturdays. Yeah, I know, but also... you have... like- The only has just been horrible the last few weeks. Anyways, it just went up two runs. We can't beat San Francisco to save our lives, just like we can't beat New York teams this year. In-Person: We can't beat inventor Jesco to save our lives just like we can't beat New York teams this year. Okay. Well back to you know are you gonna keep up with like the injuries and the people who are out, kinda like how you have with the Braves and all that? Could you do that for both Alabama and Georgia? At least specifically them. 'Cause I do yeah, but coming to injuries and stuff, yeah. susan: Are you going to keep up with the injuries and the people who are out? Could you do that for both Alabama and Georgia? At least specifically them. Yeah, Coming to injuries and stuff, yeah, I can give reports on that. I I was just going to give a general score and record rise for the whole SEC. Yeah, you could do record rise and everything, but anything major that happens for Alabama and Georgia teams. In-Person: Yeah, you could do record wise and everything but but anything like major that happens for Alabama and Georgia team specifically, susan: Specifically because I do know that we do have Georgia fans that listen to us. Yeah, so They're not gonna want to hear all about Alabama. They'll listen to it But if you could also sprinkle in some Georgia in there, too, I think we could keep everybody satisfied with that But just like major things like if there was an injury if someone's you know In-Person: because I do know that we do have Georgia fans that listen to us. So they're not gonna wanna hear all about Alabama. They'll listen to it, but if you could also sprinkle in some Georgia in there too, I think we could keep everybody satisfied with that. but just like major things, like if there was an injury, if someone's you know coming in, going out, type of thing. You know, maybe something happened at one of the games, susan: Coming in going out type of thing. You know, maybe something happened at one of the games In-Person: Georgia's game, like wild play and you talk about it, what you know, just what you've been doing for the Braves. Like amazing what you've been doing for the Braves, but do it for not just Bama but Bulldogs too, even though you're not a fan. But it'll kinda get you into talking about other teams as well. Yeah. susan: Georgia's game like wild play and you talk about it what you know What you've been doing for the Braves like amazing what you've been doing for the Braves, but Do it for not just Bama, but Bulldogs to even though you're not a fan But it'll kind of get you into talking about other teams as well. Yeah In-Person: So that is all I ask. Just so that we don't lose anybody. Okay. Anything else? susan: Anything else? No, just excited for the season to start. I know, you've been sending me stuff and posting stuff In-Person: I know. You've been sending me stuff and posting stuff all susan: all week. In-Person: Just b counting down the days. Yeah. susan: Yeah. In-Person: Alright. Do you want me to let you finish this game or do you gonna be locked in? Okay. So today we are going to do some Georgia history episode. Do you want to guess the person that we're going to be discussing today in Georgia's history? Mm-hmm. susan: to let you finish this game or are you going to be locked in? Good. Okay. So today we are going to do some Georgia history episode. Do you want to guess the person that we're going to be discussing today in Georgia's history? The person. In-Person: We're talking about a specific person today. Did you you mention something about one of the old generals from the Civil War a few like a month or so ago. Is that what you're gonna be? No. That is that susan: Did you mention something about one of the old generals from the Civil War a few like a month or so ago? that what you're gonna be? In-Person: is not what I'm speaking about. susan: speaking about. Not that one, but that was good guess because I did mention him. But I'm actually going to talk about Martin Luther King Jr. So let's start with... In-Person: Not that one, but that was a good guess because I did mention him. But I'm actually gonna talk about Martin Luther King, Junior. okay. so let's start with the fact that Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't born somewhere far away and brought to Atlanta later. He was actually born in Atlanta like he was born Atlanta was home. Yeah. So he was born Michael King Jr. on January fifteenth, nineteen twenty nine, in Atlanta's sweet Auburn neighborhood. So susan: Yeah So he was born Michael King Jr. on January 15th, 1929 in Atlanta's Sweet Auburn neighborhood. In-Person: Crazy. He was actually born Michael. And then then he was Martin. So his father was Michael King Sr. And he was a prominent Baptist minister at Ebenezer Baptist Church. susan: crazy. He was actually born Michael. His father was Michael King Senior and he was a prominent Baptist minister at Ebenezer Baptist. In-Person: When Martin was about five years old, his father changed both of their names to Martin Luther King Sr. and Martin Luther King Jr. susan: When Martin was about five years old, father changed both of their names to Martin Luther King, senior, and Martin Luther King Jr. But before the world knew him as that, he was Michael King Jr. Martin Luther, like the In-Person: But before the world knew him as that, he was Michael King Junior. Not Martin Luther like the susan: Martin Luther Bible? Whatever, probably. the martin luther in history that like was big on getting the bible throughout europe or something like that his dad? no not his dad just martin luther but in history it's not martin luther's dad you're talking about you're talking about the guy In-Person: big on getting the Bible throughout Europe or something like that. His dad? No, not his dad, just Martin Luther, but in history it's not Martin Luther's dad. you're talking about you're talking about the guy who had the susan: The Lutheran In-Person: Thing on a door. Is that what you're talking about? I think I know what you're talking about. Okay. So We're gonna go back into Atlanta in the nineteen thirties. Sweet Auburn wasn't just a neighborhood, it was one of the most important black communities in America. There are black owned businesses, churches, restaurants, newspapers, professional offices, community organization, and they just they had their own community. susan: Yeah. And Martin grew up right in the middle of it. His childhood home was only a short distance from the Baptist Church where his father and grandfather were ministers. In-Person: And Martin grew up right in the middle of it. His childhood home was only a short distance from the Baptist church where his father and grandfather were ministers. what do you think it would have been like to grow up in a neighborhood where almost everything you needed, from business to churches to doctors, was black owned? susan: like if i was part of that culture In-Person: Like yeah, like w because keep in mind the time. Yeah. It's the nineteen thirties. So so keep keep in mind and and how is Atlanta now in comparison? Atlanta's there's still a lot of black but there's a lot more diversity. susan: Because keep in mind the time. Yeah, well, I everything was segregated. So keep. Keep in mind and and how is Atlanta now in comparison? Atlanta is. There's still a lot of black people here, but there's a lot more diversity. Well, not even that there's just a lot of black people. It's. It's. Kind of been. In-Person: not even that there's just a lot of black people. It's it's kind of been whitewashed a little bit. You know? Yeah. It's definitely been more segregated. It's probably the heart of you know if you could find any type of person it would be in Atlanta. Like because the international airport's there. susan: more segregated. It's probably the heart of, you know, if you could find any type of person, it would be in Atlanta. Because the international airports there, there's all kinds of people that you can run into. In-Person: There's there's all kinds of people that you can run into. Okay, so as a child King experienced segregation firsthand, like we we talked about. One of the stories often told about his childhood involves a white childhood friend. Martin and the boy played together when they were young, but once they reached school age, the friend's father told Martin that they couldn't play together anymore because Martin was black. Could you imagine being a kid and having someone explain that you can't be friends anymore because of the color of your skin? susan: He experienced segregation first hand. we talked about. One of the stories often told about his childhood involves a white childhood friend. Martin and the boy played together when they were young. But once they reached school age, the friend's father told Martin that they couldn't play together anymore because Martin was black. Could you imagine being a kid and having someone explain that you can't be friends anymore because of the color of your skin? In-Person: Like that is that's so wild to me. That I've never been told I couldn't play with someone. Especially like keep in mind you're you're like maybe six years old. You don't really understand. You don't s I don't think children can see a difference. susan: you don't really understand you don't yeah I don't think children can see a difference no I can't I think kids are pure and just are friends with people who like the same things as them like it it it doesn't become a thing about racism until they are taught it shown it and In-Person: I think I think kids are pure and just are friends with people who like the same things as them. Like it it it doesn't become a th thing about racism until they are taught it, shown it and told to act upon it. Yeah. Like that's in the home. susan: hope to act upon it. Like then. It all starts in the home. Yeah. It's how it's how they're raised and so. In-Person: Yeah. It's how it's how they're raised. And so when do you think does a child actually start understanding racism in your mind? Like when when did or is there like maybe a time that you can remember when you really realize the difference? That it was like, wow. You know, I never realized it or susan: When do you think does a child actually start understanding racism? your mind like when when? Or is there really maybe a time that you can remember when you really? Realize the difference That it was like wow You know I never Realized it or you know In-Person: You know? Probably around fifth grade. Fifth grade? Was there any specific incident that made you kinda see that there was I just think it's stuff on the bus. susan: I think it's on the bus around the school and stuff. In-Person: No. I I remember it being in like it was like in the bathroom. I was in the bathroom. I don't know if it was middle school or elementary school, but I was in the bathroom and this one girl was talking about this b boy and girl that were dating quote dating in school. Like they basically hung out at recess and had lunch together, but like susan: Yeah In-Person: she was talking negatively about the kid because i he did not look like her. Yeah. And they were dating and and so that was that was my first susan: She was talking negatively about the kid because he did not look like her. Yeah. And they were dating. And so that was that was my first. In-Person: interaction like I overheard that conversation. It wasn't something that I had was participating in, but I overheard it. And I didn't correct it or anything, but I mean I was I was a kid. I didn't know any better and I didn't really understand it until later when I got into sixth grade. Yeah. When we learned susan: interaction like I overheard that conversation it wasn't something that I was participating in but I overheard it and I didn't correct it or anything but I mean I was a kid I didn't know any better and I didn't really understand it until later when I got into sixth grade yeah when we learned In-Person: or maybe it was eighth grade. No. It would have been sixth grade history. susan: Or maybe it was eighth grade. No, it would have been sixth grade history where you learned about civil civil rights. I can't remember on civil rights. is like or like government or something. Yeah, I don't remember when we learned about Rosa Parks, but it's when we started learning that that I realized what it was like. I guess I always kind of knew. In-Person: Where you learned about civil civil rights? I can't remember what civil as I or like government or something? Yeah. I don't remember when we learned about Rosa Parks, but it's when we started learning that that I f realised what it was. Like, I guess I always kinda knew but I'd never fully grasped at it. the difference and you know, how serious it was during that time. So King was extremely young when he began publicly speaking. He attended Morehouse College in Atlanta, and Morehouse wasn't simply where he earned a degree. It is where his thinking about race, religion, justice, and social change developed. His father had attended Morehouse too, and eventually Martin's son, Martin Luther King the Third, would attend as well. That's four generations of connections to the institution when you include the families. bordered Morehouse Legacy. That's crazy. See I don't know. I can't r remember where My I can't remember where my mom went to college or my dad. and they didn't really pressure me to follow in the footsteps like some families, you know, where it's like we're Yale, we went to Yale, third generation needs to go to Yale, like w I'm fourth generation, fifth gener like, you know, those big like And you didn't have any pressure of of where to my mom went to call I think my dad did like a semester at college. susan: Yeah My mom when I call I think my dad did like a semester at college but like chat tech But my mom went to Idaho for college. My family wasn't really... You weren't pressured to follow in anyone's footsteps. Yeah. Could you imagine that kind of pressure? I can't imagine it. To be able to have that? In-Person: You weren't like pressured to like follow in anyone's footsteps of of anything. Could you imagine that kind of pressure? I can't imagine it. To to be able to have that. I I don't know what I would do if I had to live up to the expectations of going to Yale or Harvard because it's been in my family for four generations. Like that would be I I might go crazy. Okay. susan: I had to live up to the expectations of going to Yale or Harvard because it's been in my family for four generations. Yeah. That would be. I might go crazy. OK. In-Person: So Atlanta like we said, was deeply segregated, but it also became an important center of black education, business, religion, and political organizing. King had access to an intellectual community that helped shape him, and Atlanta's black churches became enormously important to the civil rights movement. The Baptist church wasn't just the place where King preached, it was part of his identity. Like he'd grown up in that church. His dad and grandfather were both a preacher in that church, like and so when he started to preach there, that that's when he became, you know, really in tuned with it. Yeah. susan: Yeah That's when he became really in tune with it. Yeah. In-Person: Now let's talk about one of the most famous moments in American history. Do you know what that is? The Civil Rights movement. And Martin Hewitt, yeah, but Martin Luther King Jr., like when you hear Martin Luther King Jr. what a dream speech I have a dream. Yeah. Yeah. susan: Now, let's talk about one of the most famous moments in American history. You know what that is? The Civil Rights Movement? And Martin Luther, yeah, Martin Luther King Jr. Like, when you hear Martin Luther King Jr. I have a dream speech? I have a dream! yeah? Yeah. In-Person: The I have a dream speech wasn't delivered in Atlanta. susan: speech wasn't delivered in Atlanta. In-Person: I don't know if you know that. No, it was in D C. Yeah, it was in Washington D C during the march on Washington in nineteen sixty three. However, the man who had delivered that speech had been shaped by Atlanta. So like a lot of people susan: It in Alabama or something. No, it was in DC. Yeah. It was in Washington DC during the March on Washington in 1963. the man who delivered that speech had been shaped by Atlanta. like a lot of people when In-Person: when they susan: they In-Person: hear Martin Luther King Junior, they're like, he made I Have a Dream speech in Washington on the March and that's kind of what you hear. You don't really learn like his roots. Like his roots are in Atlanta. Atlanta shaped him. Go, Georgia. Woo you know? What a great place to live, you know. I feel like susan: Here Martin Luther King Jr. They're like, he made I have a dream speech in Washington on the March and that's kind of What you hear you don't really learn like his roots Like his roots are in Atlanta. Yeah Atlanta shaped him go Georgia. Whoo, you know, what a great place to live In-Person: It just goes to show like Georgia can be good, even though I'm not the biggest fan of Georgia. It it does have its good parts. And it brings out some good people. It's it's I know you love the South. susan: I love the South In-Person: You'll always love the South. I'm not susan: North Georgia is very beautiful. In-Person: beautiful. Yeah, I know. I'm not the biggest fan of the South. I'd rather go west. The only bad thing is Utah doesn't have a have a baseball team. If it had a baseball team might be susan: I just don't see the pullout worst. In-Person: Hi. susan: Don't see it. In-Person: Okay. Well, maybe we'll live there for a year and you'll see how you feel. See if I get you there. Probably won't. The furthest I'll probably get you is Texas. Would you live in Texas or no? I don't know. I mean it's like the South. Yeah. It's not too bad off off the South Path. susan: Would you live in Texas or no? I don't know. I mean it's like this house. Yeah. It's not too bad off the south path. In-Person: Okay. So after the I Had a Dream speech, he returned to Atlanta and that's how Atlanta became one of the major centers of the civil rights movement because he did his speech and he came back home and people followed. susan: Okay, so after the I had a dream speech he returned to Atlanta and that's how Atlanta became one of the major centers of the Civil Rights Movement because he did his speech and he came back home and people followed. You people wanted to hear him. People wanted to... He inspired people. Yep, he inspired a lot of people. In-Person: You know, people wanted to hear him. People wanted to inspire a lot of people. And in nineteen fifty seven, King and other civil rights leaders helped establish the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the SCLC. Its headquarters eventually became Atlanta. That meant Atlanta wasn't just King's hometown. It became one of the places where the movement was being organized. Campaigns were planned, speeches were written, strategy was discussed, people traveled in and out of the city. Atlanta became part of the machinery behind the movement. Again, I don't know where this was in Atlanta. I don't know it said Auburn. Sweet Auburn. I don't know where that is now. I don't know if it's still called that. But it would be really cool if you could go to Atlanta and they still had some of these places labeled as historical sites. They might. I they have more on the Liz Ring Drive and stuff like susan: Yeah, no, I mean they have Martin Luther King Drive and stuff like that In-Person: that. Yeah. But I think there's you know how they have like George Washington's home or or whoever's home? You know how like they have Elvis Presley's home that you can tour and stuff and it's like a historical site. So it can't be torn down. susan: Yeah In-Person: I'm curious if any of these places no, I haven't looked it up. I could look it up and find out real quick, but I'll probably do it afterwards. you know, if some of these places are still historic sites. Hi if they were considered historic sites and they were saved and they weren't knocked down or anything. But I I don't know why I have a feeling that they probably did, especially this building. But also maybe they didn't have a building. It was just a they just established like a I guess a community of people. I don't know if it was where they like like campaigns were planned. I don't know if it was an actual place. it sounds like it was an actual place, which is why I'm curious if it's still considered a historical site. So Atlanta liked to call itself the city too busy to hate. But that slogan didn't mean Atlanta was free from racism. Segregation still existed. Racial in inequality existed and black Atlanteans Yeah. Atlantean Atlanteans. I think that's how you say it. Still fought for equal treatment. susan: Still fought for equal treatment So was Atlanta actually different from the rest of the south or was it just better at presenting itself that way? In-Person: So was Atlanta actually different from the rest of the South or was it just better at presenting itself that way? susan: I Must have been I mean there were still things but it was it was the start Yeah In-Person: I mean there were still things but it was it was the start. Like it's it was helping susan: Well, I mean, had Martin Luther King Jr. born here. In-Person: me But however that was just born here. Well yeah. And he was doing all of the you know, speech writing here, the strategy here and and all that. However, that's just maybe just like a section of Atlanta. That's not Atlanta whole. Yeah. It's a small I don't know how big sweet Sweet Auburn was, but susan: So... Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's lots of parts of Atlanta. mean, you got... In-Person: You got midtown, you got downtown, you got Buckhead. Yeah, so I don't I don't know how big this place was, but it probably susan: got Midtown, got Downtown, you got Buckhead. Yeah, so I don't know how big this place was, it probably In-Person: was just putting a facade just trying to trying to act like it was good, but it really wasn't. So by the late nineteen sixties, King's message had expanded. susan: was just putting a facade, just trying to trying to act like it was good, but it really wasn't. So by the late 1960s, King's message had expanded. In-Person: He wasn't only talking about segregation, he was increasingly talking about poverty, economic inequalities, workers' rights, the Vietnam War, housing, economic justice. This eventually led to the poor people's campaign. And then came Memphis. King traveled to Memphis in 1968 to support striking sanitation workers. On April 3, 1968, he delivered his famous I've Been to the Mountaintop speech. The next day, he was assassinated, and he was only 39 years old. Could you imagine having lived your life for thirty nine years and you and what you did in that thirty-nine years would go on forever and be remembered for forever? susan: Could you imagine having lived your life for 39 years and you and what you did in that 39 years would go on forever and be remembered for forever? He was quite the man. In-Person: Quite the man. And susan: And it doesn't it feels when you're taught about Martin Luther King Jr. What do you think? You think he's No, I knew he was young. I knew he young still. In-Person: it and it doesn't it feels when you're taught about Martin Luther King Junior, what do you think you think he's older? No, I knew he was young. I s I knew he was young still. susan: I remember learning that when we were school. Well, for me. In-Person: Well, for me, when I when I heard about I thought, you know, he they probably told us when he was born and when he died and I could have done the math and they probably said how old he was. But like the pictures and stuff, because the picture quality and everything like that, it just he seemed older than how old he really was. Like he had this maturity about himself. susan: They probably told us when he was born and when he died and they had done the math and they probably said how old he was. But like the pictures and stuff, because the picture quality and everything like that, it's just, he seemed older than how old he really was. Like he had this maturity about himself. In-Person: And susan: And... In-Person: so he died in nineteen sixty eight. So do you know how old he was when he gave his I Have a Dream speech? susan: So he died in 1968. So do you know how old he was when he gave his I have a dream speech? Was it like a few years before? In-Person: Mm. susan: 35. Younger? Dirty? In-Person: He was it was it was in nineteen sixty three and he died in nineteen sixty eight. So he was thirty four. He was thirty four years old when he gave that speech. susan: 34. In-Person: That's wild. susan: I can imagine being I mean your brother is pretty close to that age. Could you imagine your brother giving a speech that would then go for generations on generations on generations? In-Person: I mean your brother is pretty close to that age. Could you imagine your brother giving a speech that would then go for generations on generations on generations? susan: no it's just wild to think that someone at 34 years old had the knowledge that he had and the yeah In-Person: it's just wild to think that someone at thirty four years old had the knowledge that he had and had the had the what is it? The the motivation and the feeling and confidence to stand up for what he believed in and what he believed other people should have and their rights. Like that's that's crazy. Well God God works through Yeah. It it they works for a lot of people that you don't feel think are anything. susan: God works through. It works for a lot of people that you don't feel or anything. And then they become something because God works through them. In-Person: Mm-hmm. Really truly. And so after his assassination, King's body was brought back to Atlanta. His funeral was held at his Baptist church, and thousands have gathered. His body was carried through Atlanta in a simple wooden farm wagon pulled by mules. He was eventually laid to rest at the Martin Luther King Jr. Center of Novellist. susan: And so after his assassination, King's body was brought back to Atlanta. His funeral was held at his Baptist church and thousands of gathered. His body was carried through Atlanta in a simple wooden farm wagon pulled by mules. He was eventually laid to rest at the Martin Luther King Jr. Center of Noblest? In-Person: Mm mm what is that word? Yeah, I think that's what that is. Social change. I don't know where that is, but it it he's like on top of water. I think it's in Atlanta. So see, see? Yeah, it's in Atlanta. Yeah, and he's he's on water. Who is that with him? Curiososity. So he was born in Atlanta, he grew up in Atlanta, he found his voice in Atlanta, and he organized in Atlanta. And after his death, Atlanta became the place where his legacy was preserved. So have a few questions, you know, just to get your mind thinking, but susan: Probably family members. He was born in Atlanta, he grew up in Atlanta, he found his voice in Atlanta, and he organized in Atlanta. And after his death, Atlanta became the place where his legacy was preserved. So, I have a few questions, you know, just to get your mind thinking, but... Atlanta In-Person: Again, Atlanta was able susan: was able... In-Person: if you look at Atlanta today and the people that you feel like it produces today, it's a whole different thought. When you think of people down in Atlanta, you kinda think wrong side of the tracks, you know? But here it is susan: You know But here it is Here's someone it it it brought out an amazing person. Yeah That did amazing work and helped Move along Like In-Person: Here's someone it it it brought out an amazing person that did amazing work and helped move along. susan: I said God works in mysterious ways through People that you wouldn't expect In-Person: serious ways. And again, not that you know, he got rid of it or anything, but he he did really put a push it to to get it to where where it could thrive. Yeah. And it's we're still trying to to thrive in day. So susan: You know, he got rid of it or anything, but he did really push it to get it to where it could thrive. Yeah. And it's, we're still trying to thrive. So, I'm ask you some questions. Okay. Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. would recognize Atlanta today? In-Person: Gonna ask you some questions. Do you think Martin Luther King Jr. would recognize Atlanta today? susan: Reckon I like this like physically or just like the culture Probably disappointed Yeah Just what everything that's going on in the In-Person: Do you think it would be magically or just how what like the culture? The culture. Do you think he would be amazed, disappointed? How do how do you disappointed? You think so? Yeah. What makes you feel like he would be disappointed? Just what everything going on in the world. susan: The way people are treated in this country all together. In-Person: Yeah. Okay. What do you think his biggest accompliment accomplishment actually was? susan: Okay, what do you think his biggest accomplishment actually was? His biggest accomplishment was inspiring. movement to help give people rights, the deserved rights. In-Person: movement to give people rights. No rights. I I wouldn't have to agree that. Okay, so why do you think Atlanta became such an important city in the civil rights movement? susan: because it's a big part of the south and I feel like the south was so I find it crazy that it started in the south well the thing is is Georgia was not as bad In-Person: 'Cause it's a big part of the South. And I f feel like the South was so I I find it crazy that it started in the South when the South was Georgia was not as bad. susan: slave like in the Civil War they didn't they didn't really it was why before they decided to participate In-Person: like in the Civil War they didn't they didn't really it was a while before they decided to participate. So Well okay so take us back to the Civil War. Who susan: So I think that has something to do with it too. In-Person: who kept slaves longer, the North or the South? When when that f when that war happened? Before Abraham Lincoln. I well, they were fighting each other. The north and the south were fighting each other, but who who was the one who kept the slaves the longest? susan: The south was fighting too. Well, they were fighting each other. north and south were fighting each other, but who was the one who kept the slaves the longest? I'd say people in the South. In-Person: 'Cause I think Yeah. 'Cause the South was the one who who like the northern states started to abolish in the late eighteenth century. And then that's when the war broke out because they were abolishing and the South didn't want to do that and so, you know, that that became a whole thing. Yeah. And that's how that kinda was one of the reasons why they s they got to war with each other. susan: The northern states started to abolish in the late 18th century. And then that's when the war broke out because they were abolishing and the south didn't want to do that. that became a whole thing. And that's how that kind of was one of the reasons why they got into a war with each other. So I find it interesting that Atlanta... In-Person: So I find it interesting that Atlanta was such an important city for the s civil rights movement to happen in the South where it was it was so hard to even get away from slavery to begin with because the South was so dead set on wanting it. So for it to happen in the South that the movement kinda s made its susan: It was so hard to even get away from slavery to begin with because the South was so dead set on wanting it. for it to happen in the South, that the movement kind of made its light, its ignition lit was from the South. I think that shows great. In-Person: light it its ignition lit was from the South. I think that shows great like growth. Yeah. Well, not growth, but that it's susan: growth yeah well not growth but that it's In-Person: I I can't think of the word that I'm trying to find. Just that it it seems like not hypocritical, but like You know what I mean? susan: Well, mean, people were treated so much worse in the South, so I feel like it drove the push harder for people to rise up. In-Person: So if you could sit down with Martin sorry, if you could sit down with Martin Luther King Junior for one hour, what would you ask him? susan: just what inspired him to be such an example for people. Inspire him with his confidence to do all things that he did. In-Person: probably ask him what made you even think to get up and talk to people. Yeah. Like w was there was there a feeling? Was Did you have a did did you really have like I have a dream, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like when you were asleep, did like you really have a dream about you know you know, maybe he felt that God gave him a a dream while he was sleeping that foretold what he should do, kind of thing, you know? That a revelation of some kind for himself of, you know susan: Sleeping that foretold what he should do kind of thing, you know a revelation of some kind. Yeah That made him realize this is what I need to do like what was the moment? Really truly that he was like this is this is what I need to do That's what I would want to what In-Person: that made him realize this is what I need to do like what was the moment really truly that he was like this is this is what I need to do. That's what I would wanna know. What what where was the moment and you decided that this And what happened in that moment to make you Yeah make that decision? That's my question. susan: What was the moment that you decided that this is? Yeah that decision. That's my question. That'd be a really good question to ask you. So when you live somewhere like Georgia, history isn't necessarily somewhere far away. Sometimes it's the street you're driving down, the church you're passing, or the neighborhood you walk through every day. And that is the history. In-Person: So when you live somewhere like Georgia, history isn't necessarily somewhere far away. Sometimes it's the street you're driving down, the church you're passing, or the neighborhood you walk through every day. And that is the history on Martin Luther King Jr. in Atlanta. susan: Refresher for some people Yeah In-Person: Well, it was a refresher for me because I forgot how young he was. I mean, especially as someone who is gonna turn thirty next year, like I'm only nine years away from that. And I could not imagine four years from now going and giving a speech in front of everyone to try to inspire people to look past susan: to look past a skin tone, a religion, anything. I could not imagine having that courage to do that. In-Person: a skin tone, a religion, anything. Like I could not imagine having that courage to do that. So All right, that's what I had. Well that was a good episode. I hope you enjoyed it. I I enjoyed it. So thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time. susan: a good episode. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next time.