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Talks to the delightful Luke Molloy about his choice of The Rings of Akhaten · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Right rest.
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  Now you're live doo-doo-doo-doo-doo way, come
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  on, Joe. Well, wake up and let the
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  clothes all cling to your bones. Wake up, wake up, wake up.
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  Welcome back to. I'm start with a blunt penknife.
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  With me, Joe food and me, mr. Luke Malloy, how are you?
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  Joe Jon delightful. You changing to Interlink
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  Malloy. Amazing that you did that very
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  quickly, that sounds great. I'm delightful, I'm here on a
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  Saturday night. I'm talking about Doctor Who
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  with you? Yes.
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  And what episode I have you chosen, Joe?
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  Well, why do we gave any fucking Clues?
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  And that's a lovely voice. By the way, I'll II for yours
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  was delightfully. On both of us were completely in
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  two. Yes, that's always high.
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  We talked about this episode. I've got a question for you.
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  Yeah I'm gonna hold you to toss now young man.
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  Okay. How old are you?
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  By the way? 26, I'm so sorry.
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  I said you look 12. I'm really lost on Gallifrey.
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  Yes, that's my podcast. Where Have You Been?
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  Yeah, we've been, we've both been moving house and saw.
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  An admin, very boring stuff. I think it also doesn't help.
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  The Doctor Who's quite quiet, isn't it?
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  So yeah, right buyer, we're chipping you in charge, we don't
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  hear nothing. You got lesser incentives and
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  sort of squeeze things in, but we'll be back next week.
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  I think, is this going out this week, Joe, this will be going
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  out very soon, actually. Yeah, so we'll be back this week
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  with a bigger battle episode of Vengeance on various forces,
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  revelation of the Daleks, I, we haven't recorded yet.
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  I have no idea which one wins, you know what, as well?
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  I love both of those stories. That would be a gradual.
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  I listened to one of your, my other office moving in.
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  We put on an episode, a Christmas special episode that
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  you did, where you was choosing, random stories and you, and your
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  guests will just go giving your opinion on random stories.
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  Yeah. The randomizer, what I thought
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  everybody was incredible in that except my of Wrath, which Edna
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  fuck all to say about anything, but he didn't like the tenth
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  planet, remember, right? Because I I'm not big on the
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  10th funny but, and Iva. Yeah, I know.
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  Well, he's wrong. I would like to do another
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  randomizer episode, actually and get you all.
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  Thank you. Don't know what I was going now.
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  It's pushing for an invite. Yeah, I could sense it and it
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  what? I remember it being a really
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  good episode, it just took a fair bit of editing.
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  Any any, any episode that takes that inputs will get a fabulous
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  quiz at the end and I every time I got so I write I jumped out
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  the chair with excitement. Yeah, we need to bring quizzes
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  back again. I think it's just it's just a
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  laziness thing but this this battle episode and I've not told
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  you off camera. What it is it has got a big
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  surprise in it. That's got a big as my God.
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  You've not in Eric's Award of yeah it's just can't say
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  anything. You dug him up.
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  He's got one of his still with us and Erik is a warm July right
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  now. I was watching a special feature
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  and he was on the TV. When Rachel walked in the other
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  day, he's my other half and she was like Ice-T doesn't look well
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  that's like Rachel. It's Eric's award are The Vedas.
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  Well, I've honestly no these are nice gentle tone to his voice
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  for someone. He loves killing characters.
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  So please you stop issei. What I was about to say that
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  because that could have been the finger.
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  Got be cancelled. So, thank you.
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  But listen, we are here today to talk about the rings of akhaten
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  or a carton or I've heard it's a it's not a carton Luke, I don't
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  think this episode is very popular with anyone but your me.
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  Yeah, it's very strange, actually.
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  So I've just, I've got the Doctor Who first 50 years, pull
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  up and let people do their research.
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  You know, this, this is the lowest rated Matt Smith episode,
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  which is a crime. Crime.
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  I mean are you sure? But let's kill Hitler and some
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  other bollocks. I'm a huge.
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  Matt Swift fan across all the services and Eva but there are a
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  lot worse episode to do exactly in my opinion.
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  So if you get very annoyed, if you ever listen to Hansel blunt
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  penknife and get annoyed with me, I suggest you listen to my
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  town called Mercy episode. That's going out shortly.
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  You know, where I have nothing, but praise for Matt Smith, Karen
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  Gillan and Steven Moffat. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, right. Yeah.
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  You were seven. Fountain on?
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  Yeah, I know. Yeah, I realize have an i and I
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  think is pushing against a lot of walks, even Market does
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  elsewhere, which is what I really like it.
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  Yeah, it's like back to. So, it's Back to Basics in a
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  way, isn't it after Series 6 and stuff?
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  But yeah, this is sat between the dominators and the Space
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  Museum and I like the space very soon as well.
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  But I think what I want to take a bit further because above the
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  rings of acted on this list is Mega gloss.
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  The Kings demons. Oh my God, this sensor is who's
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  choosing so actually stories over there.
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  Exactly the same. All right, well, actually, I'm
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  that's how wonder why people hate this?
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  But I shall put this out to Twitter, you know, and quite a
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  few people told me why they hated this episode.
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  Okay, I did see this go out. So in fact, there was a very
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  contentious conversation between Jason Thompson and somebody else
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  or for all my god. I've started World War 3 over
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  the rings of accent. But I do remember watching this
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  when it went out. Just spoke about this off offer,
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  but I remember watching this video right now and thinking,
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  oh, what a solid good episode and I'm going on, Twitter are
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  very optimistic, very happy as a seventeen-year-old.
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  I've been absolutely like a gas that the reaction.
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  Did you learn nothing from Helen Rana who went on to Gallifrey
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  base after episodes went out and started reading the reviews.
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  Yeah. I've always got afraid base
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  because I have the same reaction and honest to God the victory.
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  Although the poison it was coming out of that, head side
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  that side, I was like 11, that bad and I had a bit of a, I
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  thought Clara was very dull when the bells of Saint John.
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  There's just nothing to her and then I watch this and I thought
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  this is a character with a lot of potential.
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  She's very sweet and she's kind of variegated other.
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  I actually think this is one of the few times where they Ace her
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  character in terms of writing and performance.
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  Yeah, I think I agree especially 7 be like if we're talking like
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  not annoying Clara because she she is weird because I do like
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  the later versions even though it's basically a different
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  character. I but in 7B, especially when
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  she's a bit 2D it's the Neil cross episodes that flesh out
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  the most. I think this one that better
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  than hide that I think this is her best of the series and this
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  probably digs into To like a family history as well.
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  And so yeah, I don't I really don't see.
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  Matt why? And, and I think of it often
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  like a really exciting location with lots of aliens and yeah, I
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  know, you know, it is a bit camp and a bit silly, but news flash
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  Doctor Who's been camping silly for quite some time, but I
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  didn't think it was though. I mean I can sort of see points
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  now but at the time I just I didn't think it was count and
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  silly. No, do you think I'm coming
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  easily. Yeah.
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  Slightly walk outside fast. Like maybe got filter on.
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  You can't seek a silly but obviously you can.
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  Yeah I said I mean I'll get into it when we watched it but
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  there's a lot of stuff. A lot of like conveniences and
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  stupid things that happen throughout this episode that
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  would annoy in any other episode.
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  I don't know what it is about this one where I wouldn't change
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  it. I wouldn't change anything about
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  it. I think this is one of the The
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  few Steven Moffat episodes that really made me feel something
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  and there's something extraordinary that happens just
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  after Matt. Smith's, brilliant speech, at
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  the end of this with Smith and Coleman's performances which
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  I'll talk about when we get there.
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  But the sort of how delicately handled the emotion is towards
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  the end of this episode. I think it's masterful.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's it's a classic. I Sick Mafia era and it's at its
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  best, really? And we'll get into all the leaf
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  stuff. I don't see why people have got
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  a problem with the leaf. It baffles me so much, because
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  we have, we basically have a leaf in every episode of Doctor
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  Who to resolve the plot. I think, you know what?
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  Well, I'm going to ask you about your armor off now.
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  This is the, the Doctor Who commentary and I'm nervous, how
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  should I know? You could probably if you looked
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  very closely to find a decision or something that happened that
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  brought the two of you together. Yeah.
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  And I love stuff like that. I love moments and the how that
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  affects like your entire life and stuff.
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  So there's the whole thing with the leaf does appeal to me.
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  Excuse me. I'm but I'm actually asking you
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  can you think of the okay, well I suppose you got a bit of a
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  cheat Because we were put into you the holes together we use.
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  So we were opposite each other so that's almost fate is there
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  but I deny you couldn't miss each other a lot.
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  You obviously chose to go to the Loo at one point and then there
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  you saw is perfect. Yeah we I mean we live in
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  literally opposite sides of the hallway.
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  What would there have been a moment?
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  I don't know. I love.
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  Ah, I like the idea that it is but obviously it's a series of
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  decisions and things coming together.
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  And that's what they're saying in.
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  This is like some random thing happened.
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  And it brought two people to go - like an Android Invasion for
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  god sakes, you know. Yeah.
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  I think actually before. So I went to Leeds University
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  but I was quite set on going to York and then changed my mind.
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  So that side that would be down there.
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  So it maybe it was the brochure or something like that.
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  But your mum or just the day or the, the lecture that was in
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  your birthday that didn't appeal for your.
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  So, you know, tiny, Insist, we need help.
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  We need to find what that thing was right, because then that is
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  sentimental currency. That's worth a fortune on a
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  curtain. Yeah man.
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  Anyway, we've got up and I'm a diversion for even started.
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  What I'll do is I will a lot of people answered that.
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  Twitter question, and we will dig into that, but let's do that
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  after we've won. Yeah, let's do it at the end.
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  So our import our opinions on the most important thing here.
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  Yes. Okay.
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  All right. So we start then I'm ready.
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  Well, what what are you counters in?
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  Okay, great 21. Here we got leaves blowing
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  leaves humming all day. There's like a like the jazzy
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  music here as well. When he falls into the road.
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  Do we know what it is? No.
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  Are we didn't get that much research and good job.
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  That's a quiz question. Question of how this the the
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  stalker element? Yes, a bit / V in it.
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  I don't know. I like this thing.
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  I like you. Like doctor being a bit pervy.
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  Okay. No, actually, I think.
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  Is it is a bit with and it is a bit Sinister, and the doctor
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  shouldn't be all good. So I quite like it and I don't
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  think you'd get a coastal tenant doing this.
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  It's quite a Matt Smith thing, isn't it?
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  Yeah, it is. And this whole thing about sort
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  of seeing Clara at various stages of her life, Moffitt did
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  that in the go, in the fireplace with brunette, you obviously did
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  it with Amy Pond in the eleventh hour is.
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  Yeah, it's a way of abbreviating getting to know that person and
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  their history, you know? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Okay, this is this is quite bulky dialogue, but II like, Oh,
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  I like that the theme of it, you know.
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  It is. It's very pretty, you are so
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  sorry. It's like that because that is
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  very pretty. So, as a moment yeah, no wonder
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  Jenna Coleman turned out slow. But I did, you know, is that the
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  shock of the mother's death was so traumatic that when he came
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  back in the Time of the Doctor, he looked like a completely
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  different person. Person.
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  Yeah very good. Just shut up Joe.
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  Alright, this is strange isn't it in retrospect?
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  Because you can't see the series 9 Clara growing up like this but
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  in 7B, this is very much like her origin.
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  Yeah. What if I think what happened is
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  in series a they basically said this character isn't working
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  Yeah, especially the page one rewrite.
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  So we get control, fully control freak, Clara do it seriously.
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  And when she comes out with that, in deep breath, I remember
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  being like, what it's rain, where were you?
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  A control freak and then we get risk-taker Clara and series 9,
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  don't we? Yeah.
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  But that said, that one makes sense.
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  Naturally I suppose from Theory. Oh yeah.
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  I think that, you know, Cara was Clara.
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  Sorry. Clara, I've had a bit too much
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  June already. You know how she was splintered?
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  Yes. Jumped into that, wibbly wobbly.
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  Oh, she came out a different character.
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  Think each season, we're just watching a different Multiverse
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  of Clara. My, oh yeah, she's changing each
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  time. I can't, we'll send some, the
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  fact that Steven Moffat car. Remember how he wrote it CID,
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  like all this stalking? They, she's not going to make
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  sure my doors and windows are well boat.
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  It's a night. It's just, I don't know.
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  It just adds a little bit more Edge to the doctor, even if it's
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  maybe a bit weird, but it cost me at least is about, you know,
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  should know, the skirt line is too far.
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  That's not this episode. It's fine.
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  Very strange, very stiff. It's a strange thing.
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  But and I will you know, I will still comment on thing.
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  I do like about this here and the overly sexualized.
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  Dogs are I did just like you told Ade view like Matt Smith
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  and Clara in 7B as Boyfriend, the girlfriend like nothing
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  serious, but just the boy for the good that sort of our it's
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  played the whole time. Well, I'll tell you what I do
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  much, thank because, when he turns up naked in Time of the
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  Doctor, she ain't never seen that.
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  Before she ever that, that's the new Splinter isn't it?
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  Okay. I did it with skip.
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  Past the the gravestone of a mum.
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  He died on yes. The transmission Dave Rose,
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  there's theories that her mum died in the author on a tack.
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  Oh I know that's what they should have.
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  They should have put a in there. Yeah, it would have been quite
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  cool. Can I just say this?
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  I think the Capaldi version is even better but this console
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  room. I think it's the best new series
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  console room. Yeah, I'm always torn.
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  I do really like Matt Smith, first.
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  One. I know people think it's a bit
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  gimmicky and by, but I like how that chrome and glass one.
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  Yeah, the love that. You know, it's late.
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  But I think this probably is hands down.
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  Probably subjectively the best console room of all time.
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  It's It's really this. There's like tons of practical
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  Lighting in there. There's lots of nooks and
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  crannies to film in. I thought, every where the
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  camera goes. It feels like a different room.
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  Yeah, it's it's got so much space and by the time, capacity
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  comes in and he said, walking along the top and you circle
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  around and you get to lay in the direct and it just looks
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  stunning. It is this taking its cue from
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  the end of the world? Yes.
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  Second episode for Clara. Yes.
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  He's that crazy Place full of wacky aliens.
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  She's Of going I want to go somewhere also a bit like rose.
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  Did the difference is is Rose was you know shocked and had a
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  hell of a lot of Clara takes all this in US Fried in this
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  episode. Well that the other difference
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  is Rose was introduced that for an entire new audience.
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  Where's at this point we're all used to and yeah.
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  So the companion has to sort of take it easier that shot, I
• 18:30
  mean, come on that shot of Akutan there, but there are on
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  Twitter this So it looks cheap. What, what I think this is the
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  most beautiful world best planet in all of dr.
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  Raza Doctor Who would get down on his hands and knees and weep
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  for a visual like that. Oh my God, it's just stunning,
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  it's believable. You see that bit over there?
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  I think that's the all away. So sorry, I'll help myself.
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  Okay, so what do you think about the whole sort of well building
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  that goes on here? Yeah, I mean it's quick and it's
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  quite cheap, but I think dr. Like the World building itself,
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  but I think it doctor who doesn't do alien worlds that
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  often that, it's almost always a treat when it happens.
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  I think that buys it a lot in my book because I can't think of
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  another time, really apart from the end of the world and the web
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  planet that I get vibes like this.
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  Well, where it's really exhausting, yeah, which proper
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  explicitly and then Think it I mean, the, you know, the masks
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  in our great and stuff, but it's Doctor Who I didn't want, I
• 19:43
  absolutely loved. You see the Tardis set of in
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  that little Nook in the market. Yeah, similar thing in snake
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  dance. They do the similar thing in
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  turn left, it's very snake dance, isn't it?
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  And I just like the, that's a sort of it when I go traveling.
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  I like finding these weird bazaars and things like that,
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  because we're very excited. Yeah, these monsters that are
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  the alien. See, like lists off now.
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  I quite like A fast, the keyboard, the hooloovoo, the
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  lyric Rush, what my God, my keyboard, hang on, the num
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  locks, there you go, that's almost breaks.
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  Oh, I love his confidence, it on and he mentioned Susan here.
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  Doesn't it as well? Well, yeah, so I used to love
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  this and stuff and be every episode has a different
• 20:32
  reference to like the, an old doctor.
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  So it starts Here and then like you get the, the had some cold
• 20:39
  war. You get a metal base 3 and hide.
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  I think Jenny says it's our, this is just a reference in
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  itself to base your time and then you get Tegan in in Crimson
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  Horror. So every episode like references
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  are a doctor which was quite nice in the build-up to the
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  50th. What is that strange blue orb
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  that? She's don't know, but I love it.
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  I want to try it, don't you? Yeah, I'll try anything me.
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  Oh my God. You see that?
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  Hey you behind there? History.
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  The one with the long arms. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I don't think he would.
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  I don't think it was that because it was very slim.
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  I think about it. Sorry Rob.
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  I love be smoking to see she pipe in the background.
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  There may be in them. Aliens over there and I love
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  this. I really like this is exactly if
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  I was hoping the time. Oh, look how he tickles.
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  Her chin is gorgeous, you know. It just has this like, Wonder
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  lost energy, doesn't it? I could said I even though I can
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  like recognize that that's probably a BBC set and these
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  are, you know, people in masks, I can buy it so much.
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  Like look, there, you've got things going on to the right
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  there. We've come at, you got it.
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  Got, then we'll smoking the pipe up.
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  I love it. It's Lots going.
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  I compared this summer. Like the Beast below which I
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  think does Of cheap I think they had like a similar sort of
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  markets team there but I felt like a where else but yeah, it's
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  empty, isn't it? The peaceful a this is all
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  vibrant and colorful and full of life?
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  Yes. Yeah, I think it looks amazing.
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  I want to know how my God, these ones here, right with the lights
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  on their faces. Yeah.
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  No funny because, you know, when they go to the where the she's
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  singing merry galel singing and they're obviously super imposing
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  these people, you know, a hundred times to make it look
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  around you just See that those lit up faces there there there.
• 22:38
  It's actually proposed it so many times.
• 22:41
  It's fabulous. I'm sure Paul.
• 22:43
  I've never paused it in like looked out.
• 22:45
  I saw what to do that. I won't do it now.
• 22:50
  As she gets sick lie gets like 10 minutes now and she's on her
• 22:53
  own. The doctor just pisses off and
• 22:56
  she gets 10 minutes to sort of explain why she's going to be a
• 23:00
  nice companion by taking a child.
• 23:03
  What she's going to do in that Rising isnt.
• 23:04
  She I've seeking out a character from that location getting close
• 23:08
  to them helping them out. Yeah, I don't know what the
• 23:11
  doctors did and this time he's just like he's just being
• 23:16
  basically stalking her to make sure she's not.
• 23:19
  Just seen the aliens 49. He's popped in for a little
• 23:21
  while Clara. Oh hey she is my God.
• 23:25
  I know I think some people have a lot of objection to this
• 23:27
  episode just because of this little girl you know who let's
• 23:30
  be honest is not the best actress or a singer in the
• 23:32
  world. I think she's good but she's
• 23:34
  lovely Island. She must be like 10.
• 23:39
  Yeah. Need I remind you, this is the
• 23:41
  half season the game as Angie and Artie.
• 23:43
  Well exactly I can think of a lot worse.
• 23:47
  Chowder. Next year, we could imagine what
• 23:48
  that From in the forest of the night.
• 23:51
  Geez, Louise. Now, I'll tell you, Miracle all
• 23:54
  over them any day. Yeah, I mean, she feels like a
• 23:58
  character that's it. Don't forget it.
• 24:00
  She sings. Well that's fun loves the long
• 24:02
  song. She sings better than we did at
• 24:04
  the beginning of this episode that's for sure.
• 24:08
  Did you ever hear that version of the long song that Emily cook
• 24:10
  put together all the fans singing I did all that deal for
• 24:15
  that was lovely. I was Pete Rock down ones nose.
• 24:18
  Hmm. Awesome.
• 24:19
  Fabulous things going on there as well, so she supposed to sing
• 24:23
  forever until she died. The idea is, the song goes on
• 24:27
  forever. Isn't it?
• 24:28
  Otherwise Granville away? No, it doesn't.
• 24:30
  She come back every Like 50 years, or something sir to sing,
• 24:35
  but then it won't be her with it actually 50s.
• 24:38
  Not much of a job, I do. But I suppose, this is a problem
• 24:40
  with the story is that it very much feels like it's being made
• 24:45
  up as it goes along somehow, it manages to like, field career.
• 24:49
  And in my head I feel like if you kind of look at the nuts and
• 24:52
  bolts of it, it's been really well for fruit.
• 24:54
  But because we sort of go from one location to another where we
• 24:57
  were another things revealed you're right.
• 24:59
  It's got this sort of improvised feel.
• 25:01
  Yeah. Yeah, slightly.
• 25:03
  These robot the whispery voices. They look just like the ones
• 25:08
  that have underworld see thing. Yeah, you know, with the masks
• 25:13
  on. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:15
  I've got three red eyes though. Not quite as creepy.
• 25:18
  Those I really like the vigil, it's a shame.
• 25:21
  How the don't do anything, because I think the design and
• 25:24
  the way they walk and you the whisper that's got its got legs
• 25:28
  for a monster. I really like how as story
• 25:33
  progresses the threat gets bigger, reminds me of the war
• 25:38
  games. Obviously you start with the
• 25:48
  people in the second world war setting, their the villains, and
• 25:51
  then you get like the Warchief and then you get the warlord and
• 25:55
  then you get the timers. And as the story progresses the
• 25:59
  the villains get Bigger and bigger bigger in here.
• 26:00
  You start with the vigil, then you get grandfather, and then
• 26:04
  you get a whole fucking planet. Yeah.
• 26:06
  Basically. Grandfather's alarm clock is
• 26:08
  that it's the, it's the thing in the Box.
• 26:11
  Let the makeup on grandfather is fantastic.
• 26:14
  Yeah, I figured that. That annoys people doesn't it
• 26:17
  that that wasn't the villain because it's, alright, I think
• 26:20
  some people wanted that to be a cone Ian for some reason.
• 26:24
  Do they look like I've never thought of that ever?
• 26:27
  Now that you know I read out to you later But it does actually
• 26:31
  sort of look like what doesn't it?
• 26:33
  Hmm. Can I just say the idea of
• 26:36
  sentimental currency, I think is delightful.
• 26:40
  I think that's such a great idea.
• 26:41
  Yes, I sell, it's almost not done enough it in this episode,
• 26:46
  it's that you could base properly the episode of armor
• 26:49
  and we genuinely keep things that have a lot of meaning like
• 26:54
  sentimental. You don't we, yeah, we just see
• 26:57
  what if that was our currency nowadays, I'll be a rich.
• 26:59
  Umm, and things around me right now, Loosely Montage to the
• 27:05
  back, there are things around me, but I won't bore you with
• 27:11
  the books and pulls out a dildo. It's the Tardis.
• 27:31
  Honestly we want to talk about that.
• 27:36
  Okay, so what is pretty small? Why is it all this?
• 27:43
  Not like Clara is it because she's this space-time event, or
• 27:47
  because she's the hybrid little part of the hybrid, there's you
• 27:52
  could factor into many different things.
• 27:54
  I think it's probably meant to be that real oak on forgot that
• 27:58
  Ploy even existed. The hybrid, it's a strange sort
• 28:03
  of story because it never comes to anything and that's not like
• 28:08
  moth, is it? He know any of that happens.
• 28:10
  A lot in seven though. Series 7.
• 28:12
  I feel like he's teasing story arcs but then his whole point of
• 28:17
  Series 7 was to be Standalone so it keeps doing little things but
• 28:21
  then pull himself back babies. That's it.
• 28:23
  That's that's his trick. This year is I'm going to make
• 28:25
  you think this is important is actually nothing.
• 28:27
  Yeah I mean there's the light bulbs in Isn't that much otaku?
• 28:31
  Mercy, never light bulbs are flickering.
• 28:33
  And yeah, like, that was like I love my father was nailed on but
• 28:38
  then obviously nothing I was going to get into in a minute
• 28:41
  because she says about getting scones in the Lake District, but
• 28:45
  there was a big Lake District conspiracy.
• 28:47
  At the time, they went on to BBC Radio Cumbria because they'd
• 28:51
  mentioned it three times in four episodes of Doctor Who and it
• 28:55
  net. The Lake District of Columbia.
• 28:56
  Never be mentioned in Doctor. Who before, or after, I thank
• 29:00
  my. Was there a conspiracy?
• 29:01
  No but I don't know in my head I was thinking like oh maybe the
• 29:05
  name of the doctors set in Windermere.
• 29:08
  I don't know but because bells of Saint John.
• 29:12
  He's in a monastery and Cumbria and then she said something
• 29:15
  about going to the scones in Lake District in this, and then
• 29:18
  in hide, she mentions Carlisle and then that was it.
• 29:21
  So, if this comes off a bit like, little teasers of themes
• 29:25
  and also, this is at the point when we watched dr.
• 29:29
  Moffitt Sahay with like trying to find every little pixel thing
• 29:33
  as well is that in series one in this exercise year like we
• 29:38
  didn't know what we were going to get and obviously bad wolf
• 29:41
  was teased For That season. We're at a point now where the
• 29:43
  people right in the show know the fans are looking for this
• 29:46
  stuff. Yeah.
• 29:47
  And Moffat is just playful enough to have some fun with
• 29:50
  that. Yeah, in love sir.
• 29:53
  Is that massive Arena where I can see what you need that
• 29:56
  delightful? Yeah, this is fellow.
• 29:59
  Rag with these weird sort of Carnival lips paid on and he's
• 30:03
  in about 12 places as well. Yes, yeah.
• 30:06
  JLo, like I like the idea of the being, like, flatterfit is,
• 30:14
  right? I know it's stupid but the idea
• 30:16
  of you literally reaching a point on the earth for you could
• 30:19
  step off and then I don't know for and that's what this looks
• 30:22
  like. It looks like you could just
• 30:23
  step off our concern and for I had to know that feel so alien
• 30:28
  and wonderful. The enough jeans, you know,
• 30:31
  before to just been in that state where all of the earth.
• 30:36
  Oh, here she goes. Come on, Mary kalau.
• 30:40
  You don't get it Wrong. Mary, yeah, you're gonna wake up
• 30:42
  grandfather and then there's going to be a bloody angry
• 30:44
  Planet coming out, as look, these visuals.
• 30:48
  Also like the, you know, how alien it is.
• 30:51
  It's not just the aliens and the CGI, the idea of she's singing
• 30:55
  to then keep someone at rest and the sentiment of currency that
• 30:59
  so It did really gone all out to try and do something really
• 31:03
  different and I just think in terms I'll go back to those
• 31:06
  cheap thing again. They're get they've given us a
• 31:08
  real sense of scale. We've been to a Marketplace
• 31:11
  we're in an arena. Now we're seeing like a whole
• 31:14
  whole other planets like this has a scale to it.
• 31:17
  Yeah. It's still talk to, who is never
• 31:20
  good doctor, who is never gonna have the skate.
• 31:23
  The the visual Splendor of something like the Mandalorian.
• 31:25
  It's just never going to happen. I don't know.
• 31:27
  I don't still want it to. It was spoiling it looses Roost
• 31:31
  on the I like the fact that William Hartnell and Carolyn
• 31:33
  Ford at one point were marching down that market, you know,
• 31:37
  having a job. Yes.
• 31:37
  Yeah. But someone could do a lovely
• 31:42
  heart work if that you know I would love together.
• 31:46
  So please do that please. Don't know some very creative
• 31:48
  people that listen To this thing.
• 31:49
  Yeah. That would be so lovely to see.
• 31:52
  Okay. So what to superimpose them into
• 31:54
  a picture? This bit with like that's me for
• 31:59
  the glasses on. And he's, you know, if telling
• 32:02
  Clara about the culture of it, I think this is brilliant.
• 32:05
  This is like Doctor, Who is most like this is what he does.
• 32:08
  He comes to planets, and he just gets involved and he explores it
• 32:12
  and he looks so doctor. It's unbelievable.
• 32:15
  It's fantastic. And, you know, they kind of
• 32:17
  losses in 7B I feel like he dumped evolving to their series
• 32:21
  of sort of ticks and quirks, but here, it's spawn.
• 32:24
  And during The Bitter Love, The Bitter feels much doctors to me.
• 32:28
  It's where he starts singing. A really shit.
• 32:30
  I hear ya like, like, I don't know if this was a Disney movie
• 32:39
  burst into song and maybe the best person there but he's
• 32:41
  Doctor Who and he's a bit shit. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:45
  It's it's just great and it and it's got so much time to
• 32:48
  Breathe. I mean she's been single for
• 32:50
  like two minutes though. Roar like everyone's just
• 32:53
  watching it. It feels like you are there on
• 32:57
  the planet because nothing's really happened yet until right
• 33:00
  now. Oh wow.
• 33:02
  Look at this guy in the red robes, he's loving it.
• 33:04
  He always reminds me of rumor from Red Dwarf.
• 33:06
  I just got could never shake it every time you're a total but
• 33:10
  it's make head or some of these ideas are great.
• 33:14
  That one eye, dude, style tentacles, Coming out of these.
• 33:19
  Yeah, some of the, the CGI on the eyes, for some of the it's
• 33:23
  just to make it look a bit more reels.
• 33:24
  Nice, I really, really appreciate the effort they've
• 33:28
  gone to like and they made a big splash at.
• 33:30
  I remember the confidential made a splash of that sometime.
• 33:32
  This is the most amount of aliens we've ever done for a
• 33:34
  doctor who story. Yeah.
• 33:37
  What's that? Possibly could be ever.
• 33:39
  He's off. She's not, she's fluent Florida.
• 33:42
  Flying away. Like chi in never walk away.
• 33:52
  Okay, so now they got off to a wanker.
• 33:54
  This is for the girl. The spice boy, that's the kind
• 33:56
  of ever seen in my life. It's been there.
• 33:58
  The whole known for their probably, the one effect that is
• 34:04
  my favorite. It's so silly.
• 34:09
  So, yeah. I mean this like X me but it
• 34:14
  doesn't spoil my joy. Yeah, the fact that he won't
• 34:18
  give a sonic screwdriver way when the Tardis like she pops.
• 34:21
  Them out is a bit annoying. Like, there's not even a line,
• 34:26
  you know, to say to explain why. Yeah, that is true.
• 34:30
  It makes Clara give like her. Most sentimental room to rent a
• 34:35
  moped when he could have done it with a sonic screwdriver.
• 34:39
  Why does she give the ring and not the leaf?
• 34:42
  She's saving that for later. Oh she asks, right so annoyed.
• 34:45
  Gallifrey base. You've got a big pumpkin.
• 34:47
  It to take down and show you? Do you know what?
• 34:49
  It's not that bad though, is it? Look at it.
• 34:53
  Eat your heart out. Star Wars Doctor Who's on a
• 34:56
  moped in space. I would, I don't want.
• 35:00
  This is the standard I want 4.0 effects though, it would feel
• 35:04
  almost wrong. If we had Star Wars level
• 35:06
  effects whenever we come, how have we come to a point where we
• 35:10
  are criticizing a Doctor Who for looking cheap when it has this
• 35:14
  much visual Splendor. Yeah, I know.
• 35:17
  Then tell me when is when is, how does he looks ever been?
• 35:21
  It's never been. The issue is, it's just never
• 35:23
  been the issue. I think the reason that some of
• 35:28
  these shows like Star Wars and and stuff like that looks good.
• 35:31
  It's because they don't try as much as dr.
• 35:33
  A, you know, a doctor who is constantly pushing the bar of
• 35:38
  what it can do, especially on the BBC budget.
• 35:41
  But what is what is it that matters?
• 35:43
  Yeah, watch out for. We try to imagine Nation the
• 35:46
  creativity, the characterization, the emotion.
• 35:49
  And this has got all of that. Sort of special effects.
• 35:53
  Yeah, I've never cared for special effects.
• 35:55
  Yeah but they all good. Look at that.
• 35:57
  Look at that planet. There's yeah I know if any
• 35:59
  waiting around in the back and this is a fantastic say I think
• 36:04
  as well and a bit you know, when he gets up he smashes the glass
• 36:08
  in slow motion. Yeah if this is a great-looking
• 36:12
  monster, I can see why people are but sad.
• 36:16
  The vigil that I think the visual got bit more about them.
• 36:20
  But then, just as least is a reason for application with the
• 36:23
  whisper men in name of the doctor yell there.
• 36:26
  Kill. Come on.
• 36:26
  What cool. But what the hell were they all
• 36:28
  about? How it kind of fits together?
• 36:32
  Like a little puzzle, you know? Yeah.
• 36:35
  Okay. I do see people having their bit
• 36:37
  of a whinge about Matt Smith, waving the screwdriver about and
• 36:40
  he does a lot in this episode's. Yeah, but it's another thing is,
• 36:44
  like I said, but should annoy me but it doesn't actually.
• 36:48
  I quite like it when he says the sex.
• 36:50
  Really heavy door, a setting up that joke in Day of the Doctor
• 36:55
  where John Hurt goes. If it's my putting up shelves.
• 36:59
  Why do you keep waving screwdrivers about?
• 37:01
  Yeah, I love it. I love it.
• 37:06
  I dunno. What I do think that in terms of
• 37:09
  like sentimentality and the color palette and all that,
• 37:14
  there's something there is something a little Disney ish
• 37:16
  about this, but I got a massive Disney fan me.
• 37:21
  It doesn't feel childish though, and I'm not saying this knee is
• 37:24
  the, but like it doesn't feel childish.
• 37:28
  It still feels ashamed that like a family audience.
• 37:32
  Whereas, I think the moment at the end where she offers the
• 37:37
  leaf, but one of the most mature moments of this season.
• 37:40
  It's yeah, no, I agree. I don't know why people for all
• 37:45
  gets you. I just don't know why people
• 37:47
  focus on the leaf so much like what you think that's what
• 37:52
  people's problem is. The fact that the leaves, think
• 37:54
  I think at least a big following this for people that people
• 37:57
  didn't like the Frog on the chair.
• 37:59
  What the fuck. That I know that frog was
• 38:00
  amazing. Well, yeah, the front of the
• 38:02
  chair is good. I mean, that's the most probably
• 38:04
  the most Doctor Who he thing that's come out of Jody's time.
• 38:08
  I think that idea of of of our universe, be the frog on a
• 38:11
  chair. Hi, taking a Daleks down.
• 38:13
  On with a microwave. That was pretty good as well.
• 38:16
  Yeah, true. Okay what's occurring?
• 38:21
  Yeah. That's right.
• 38:22
  We're stop watching now. We've we should be watching
• 38:24
  today. We room is still so good.
• 38:26
  Why is he singing? He's waking up mate.
• 38:30
  That's probably a key Series 5, Matt Smith but you know and
• 38:34
  we're actually where are we with 2/3 through this now like it
• 38:39
  moves a good lick? Yeah, it's just That first bit
• 38:44
  just has time to breathe. So you just on the world, you I
• 38:48
  don't feel like there's a, there's an episode where you
• 38:50
  feel as on an alien world as a concern for Better or For Worse,
• 38:54
  for some people. But are you sure the doctor's
• 38:57
  daughter that bit, where more 4 goes into the ball, going to see
• 39:06
  it just on the edge of cracking laughing as the half.
• 39:09
  So he dies, I think as well. A lot of people have bought into
• 39:12
  this. Rusty Davis idea and anger or
• 39:15
  love, Rusty Davison. What did we talk to?
• 39:17
  And he's going to do all of, you know, all we can go to the
• 39:20
  planet Zog where you know, there's no human characters.
• 39:24
  You know, you should always be kind of grounded in the Earth.
• 39:27
  Yeah, I loved it when we went off to the planet of forces and
• 39:31
  saw the butterfly people and the Ants and all that, you know.
• 39:34
  Yeah. I I agree with that though.
• 39:36
  I agree that it should be ground, it should be dark, but
• 39:39
  you should also be reacted and tried to do different things.
• 39:44
  We hadn't beat, we haven't done an alien planet like this
• 39:47
  forever, you know, hey, this one sticks out because basically,
• 39:51
  it's, we knew who we have. This is the Alien Planet
• 39:55
  episode. I think they're reluctant to do
• 39:57
  it because they don't think they can match.
• 40:00
  What other shows can do. Yeah.
• 40:01
  And again, I play it safe and, you know, do a lot on Earth as a
• 40:06
  gray and Williams fun. But you are that, that sort of
• 40:10
  makes sense that this, this will be enough.
• 40:13
  I'll get massive G William Vives is a little bit over the top.
• 40:18
  It's very colorful is really exotic.
• 40:21
  Yeah, but I kind of got the money to do, what, great
• 40:24
  Williams. Okay, he had it all up here.
• 40:27
  But yeah, we knew he was doing, I think yeah.
• 40:30
  I think you did. He's a very underrated.
• 40:32
  It's one of those producers that I think because he's not alive
• 40:35
  and he can't do interviews and prevention's.
• 40:37
  The stuff is so gets forgotten about.
• 40:40
  But it is a, I think that's been re-evaluated I can't wait for
• 40:44
  the key to time. Box sets come out and have fun
• 40:46
  to re-evaluate that because I love the keys.
• 40:48
  It's a tie that might be my favorite season of classic.
• 40:51
  Oh, he's time. I like, it's one of mine.
• 40:53
  Definitely, one of my, yeah, the comedy is probably the.
• 40:56
  Well it's probably the best for comedy between a doctor who
• 40:59
  companion witty lines and the cause of science.
• 41:02
  We should capture that creature. So sorry we're talking about
• 41:06
  Rings. Yes we've just missed a
• 41:09
  beautiful speech between Matt Smith, former legal.
• 41:11
  Oh well He tells her that all the atoms in the universe of
• 41:15
  coalesced to make her and there will only be one.
• 41:18
  Merry galel, I'll give you this. All right by Mike Smith okay
• 41:22
  because he doesn't convince me the doctor at 90% of the time
• 41:25
  but when they give him a good speech like that fabulous beach
• 41:28
  in Vincent and the doctor when he says to Amy about all the
• 41:32
  parts of good stuff and the bad stuff that's amazing.
• 41:35
  The speech when he regenerates, you know, It's I think, I think
• 41:39
  he turns any speech in school. He's by far the best doctor for
• 41:43
  speeches and he get some good ones, but I genuinely think this
• 41:47
  is his best one, the one he gets in this.
• 41:50
  It's, it's a strange one because it's a on paper.
• 41:54
  It's the most stupid think it's just, you know, what he does,
• 41:59
  but a lot of other actors. Wouldn't do he fucking goes for
• 42:03
  hide though? That's like my he goes.
• 42:05
  I ever commit to this 100%. Or I look a bit of yappy.
• 42:09
  Dogs will be going. You know?
• 42:10
  Take it all baby. Yeah, yeah, that there's got to
• 42:15
  be a convention out there. Whether they read the speech, I
• 42:19
  want to hear that your colleague Baker doing it.
• 42:22
  Yeah, he's not got a clue. What's going on?
• 42:27
  There's like, take it all baby. It's know.
• 42:33
  It's the thing is this pizza. It's a load of nonsense, isn't
• 42:37
  it? It's rambling about memories and
• 42:38
  Doctor, who'll or and everything.
• 42:40
  But then Matt Smith makes it all.
• 42:42
  So we incredible. You makes it the most quotable
• 42:45
  finger. But most times when I just by
• 42:47
  how old he is, and what he's experienced, you know, and he
• 42:51
  talks about just like in survival ways like how the city
• 42:54
  is made of Song and people made of this and that and you talked
• 42:57
  about all these places on, right?
• 42:58
  Well the rest is seasoned. So fucking boring while we're
• 43:01
  going to those places. Amazing.
• 43:04
  It's yeah. I mean, Russell is very good at,
• 43:06
  you know, doing them sentences that you think, or I'd love to
• 43:09
  go see that part in this and he says, all this, and it's stuff
• 43:12
  that's already happened to. I think I want to go and watch
• 43:15
  like the Mind rather now because he says about being in the
• 43:18
  universe of a modern madman and stuff and you just you want to
• 43:21
  go back and see the episodes. I mean, again, this is like
• 43:25
  nine, just that one line about the universe of a Madman.
• 43:29
  He just the way it emphasizes, every word of that speech.
• 43:32
  Uh, yeah. I do you think you think is give
• 43:34
  it 100% And then the tears start coming down his eyes and then
• 43:39
  director gets in on it as well. And we start, panning out
• 43:42
  upwards, don't we? Yeah, frustrating to Camp.
• 43:47
  It's an incredible idea what that it's just.
• 43:50
  Yeah. Just shouldn't be quite humble
• 43:52
  but it is like sometimes I'll just be making a cup of tea and
• 43:55
  I'll just shout make parasite God's Blaze, but I don't think
• 44:00
  it's any less. Like what he's saying is, I've
• 44:03
  experienced all these things if you want this emotion and bloody
• 44:07
  take it from me. Because I've seen it all, it's
• 44:10
  no more over the top of that bit in the Silence of the library
• 44:13
  where he's like oh you know I'm in every book going.
• 44:16
  Look me up, you know, look me up but he read it all baby.
• 44:32
  Awesome. You know, you sell said
• 44:36
  something salacious, do it. There's a really good lie there
• 44:40
  and he's, I've seen bigger. She's like Ivy and he goes, no,
• 44:43
  it's my mom. You know what I think is a dart,
• 44:47
  a crying shame. Neil Carlson, come back and do
• 44:49
  more II. Listen, me across my favorite.
• 44:52
  So he said, fine writer. I think it was the reaction to
• 44:55
  this episode that did it because then, you know, you go down.
• 44:58
  Well, this episode like as much as you and I loved every None of
• 45:02
  it. I don't think it's.
• 45:04
  It's considered, you know? No, I don't get it.
• 45:07
  I'd honestly thought until, you know, we'll go through the
• 45:09
  comments at the end, but I honestly thought this it out a
• 45:12
  reappraisal by people didn't like it.
• 45:14
  What does it look like? That's all positive comments in
• 45:17
  that thread. Do that I thought there would
• 45:19
  be. Yeah.
• 45:20
  Okay, I'm interested is when we get there, it can't just be me,
• 45:24
  read them all out, you know, I'm after ask you to get it up on so
• 45:27
  you can as well, I can get it, I have heard that rumor.
• 45:35
  Here is, I've seen bigger jochen a child today.
• 45:45
  So now he's off on the face bike.
• 45:48
  Was he thinking the Tardis? I can't.
• 45:49
  No, no. She's off on the space by.
• 45:51
  He's a he's going to confront grandfather.
• 45:54
  He session I will have as well. He goes right back to that
• 45:57
  Stadium, doesn't he? He doesn't go anywhere.
• 46:01
  He just walks around the corner disease.
• 46:07
  Oh no! She well sometimes you've got to
• 46:15
  because you've got a kid and then yeah okay I'm going to drop
• 46:19
  now the bit I think is extraordinary about the
• 46:23
  performances here because what you have are two very
• 46:27
  contrasting Styles. Matt Smith This speech and it
• 46:31
  literally choose it up and spits it out in the most incredibly
• 46:35
  kind of emotional and over-the-top way.
• 46:38
  And I think it's phenomenally good.
• 46:41
  And she comes in and does Her speech with the leaf and she
• 46:45
  under places. Yeah, delicately I think it's
• 46:49
  Jenna colors best performers in dogs.
• 46:51
  Oh, that's but that, but of all the it honestly, like I thought
• 46:56
  I changed when you don't feel much for Clara, Throughout her
• 47:00
  rum surprised. She's got the leaf in her hand.
• 47:02
  She says it's the most importantly, for the most
• 47:06
  importantly, the acting is, is, I mean, I've say, when Capaldi
• 47:12
  comes along with Capaldi and Coleman, you probably got the
• 47:15
  strongest actors in the new series that played the doctor
• 47:21
  potentially. I don't think they're capture us
• 47:25
  particularly well, I sort of struggle and people say Compile,
• 47:30
  these the best access for the doctor.
• 47:32
  I think it's very easy one to just because I think when he
• 47:36
  finds out he's a fantastic actor, y'all get I think he's a
• 47:39
  great actor but when people say he's the best asks for the
• 47:41
  doctor, like it's a given, I don't necessarily agree with
• 47:44
  that. I think, once he finds his feet,
• 47:47
  he's very, very, very good. But I think he gets, he makes
• 47:51
  wrong choices. And so he say, along with the
• 47:54
  righted, love it makes her own choices and then he makes wrong
• 47:57
  choices annoyed. But then in 10 days, This is the
• 47:59
  fusion of just a section. I don't know what goes on.
• 48:02
  No, oh, of course he fucks River Song.
• 48:06
  Danny that I was him out perfectly honestly.
• 48:10
  I mean, Matt Smith is just talking to in real life.
• 48:15
  And he's just getting the plan as well, you know, because it
• 48:17
  looks like a big jack-o'-lantern.
• 48:19
  Yes, I think none of that. But that gets across to the
• 48:22
  kids. What this is about, you know, I
• 48:26
  think I get like you said. It's just, it's just another
• 48:28
  level of scale. We're just upping the stakes
• 48:30
  again, but like I said, she is a big evil Planet, isn't it?
• 48:34
  Yeah, brother. A big hungry Planet.
• 48:37
  I mean, this people don't like this episode.
• 48:41
  I mean, the speech is Iconic, though.
• 48:43
  Is that? Everyone knows?
• 48:44
  Is it? I don't see how you could have a
• 48:46
  speech, this iconic, and the episode be so low down the list.
• 48:50
  I just, as surprised as me, I'll actually do for me.
• 48:53
  If there's a, if there's a good scene and a Bad episode, he
• 48:57
  usually gets a few points but I kill the moon.
• 48:59
  Yeah, I mean, there's no good scenes in the forest of the
• 49:02
  night. So, no, that is I really love
• 49:05
  the the visual of silhouette in them up against the planet as
• 49:09
  well. That's really striking is God,
• 49:11
  this is even more striking after Clara.
• 49:13
  Does Her speech and the Is kind of broken and on these on the
• 49:16
  floor, like one leg looking down at him.
• 49:20
  But I did see, just with the music.
• 49:22
  Swelling and look at this, this little the desktop pictures
• 49:25
  couldn't lay there. Yeah.
• 49:29
  I will walk away from the last, great time War, I marked the
• 49:32
  passing of the time Lords. I saw the birth fill in the
• 49:34
  build-up to the 50th, though, as well.
• 49:36
  This was just Tangles this because this is you know you
• 49:39
  were at the time you don't, this is just what you wanted
• 49:42
  references in and build off a day and it was like, oh my God
• 49:47
  yeah you just walk it gives you a grabbing onto anything on the
• 49:51
  lead up to the fiftieth because we're like this is important if
• 49:55
  this is Wayside I was universe is freeze and Creations burn
• 49:58
  Things you wouldn't believe, okay?
• 50:01
  Is that little bit Pretenders? Secret knowledge ever be told
• 50:06
  every spoken knowledge that vague parasite God's Blaze
• 50:11
  welcome on the he does no secrets that can never be told,
• 50:16
  you know, I told him in that case, told her to keep that to
• 50:19
  himself. All right.
• 50:22
  Take it all baby. Oh my God.
• 50:25
  Yeah, every to do that speech. Every one of them.
• 50:29
  Yeah. Cory.
• 50:30
  Oh my God. II think he's definitely thought
• 50:36
  it you know the ones I know have done it.
• 50:38
  I'm sure my gun is done it and bake has done it.
• 50:41
  I want to hear the day for cut, though.
• 50:43
  It's you either time in, then it's on that whole speech.
• 50:45
  And then right? Then she went wake up.
• 50:52
  Oh no, people moan about the gravity, but like if we're going
• 50:56
  to be Nick picked a about science Syria, who just?
• 51:00
  I mean, I've got a Physics degree and I am not asked about
• 51:04
  Out traffic. It's a not Moon cracking, you
• 51:07
  know a bit. It's just it's just not
• 51:10
  important. Is it, it's an alien world.
• 51:11
  So you can just say, you know, what happens when you know you
• 51:15
  adhere to science, you get something as that says dreariest
• 51:19
  after I got a Star Trooper costume.
• 51:22
  Oh I'd say the only complaint I had on initial transmission was
• 51:26
  I was annoyed that she could drive the moped on her own.
• 51:29
  It's my only complaint I do really yeah literally
• 51:34
  Ridiculous. I want to believe that the
• 51:36
  doctor would choose. Someone call enough to be able
• 51:38
  to drive a space moped without tuition.
• 51:40
  Yeah. Oh, here we go.
• 51:45
  Can I let you in on a little secret?
• 51:47
  Yeah, I know. I could never get serious on
• 51:49
  Mike somewhere in my phone, right?
• 51:52
  I recorded. This is why I did it.
• 51:54
  I must been an emotional day. I recorded me during the Clara
• 51:58
  speech. It's not my phone.
• 52:00
  I'm going to, I'm going to put it out.
• 52:02
  Yes. Please Release even better than
• 52:07
  Jenna Coleman seriously but II sort of you the Belle st.
• 52:12
  John and rings of akhaten is not a tea party but they are
• 52:15
  related. Aren't they?
• 52:16
  Because they're both introducing Clara.
• 52:19
  The leaf is brought in at the other bells of Saint John is
• 52:21
  like a thing and then this is this is basically her let go of
• 52:25
  the past and after this she travels with the doctor But, you
• 52:29
  know, you know why this touches me as much as it does.
• 52:32
  I'm not, I wasn't planning on getting serious, but I'm gonna
• 52:35
  get serious for a second. I lost my mom a few years ago.
• 52:39
  And so, the stuff she's saying about days that would never
• 52:42
  lived and a future that never was and that really touches me
• 52:46
  because that's exactly how I feel about my mom.
• 52:49
  You know, that's really nice that they put it into words so
• 52:53
  well and it's poetic, you know, it's a really poetic way.
• 52:59
  So, I just love it when the mafia does poet.
• 53:01
  Poetic resolutions. This is probably my favorite.
• 53:06
  We and I agree. I think a lot of people
• 53:09
  descriptive like yeah, that rather this than another one of
• 53:13
  those love conquers, all endings, you know, you know like
• 53:17
  the end and she get where the doctor runs around some
• 53:19
  Machinery, press a couple of buttons and then it's done.
• 53:23
  How could always fail some great height and you know that's ways.
• 53:27
  This one is your own Congress. Hey, white people, fixate on
• 53:34
  like a leaf when that's it's just a, they have no soul.
• 53:43
  Yeah, I agree. Are you listening out there,
• 53:45
  everybody? Okay.
• 53:48
  Do what I do? You know, I think we've been
• 53:50
  positive enough for out. This find enough reasons, people
• 53:53
  may go back and watch this and re-evaluate a little bit.
• 53:56
  I hope so. I mean, it's one of them I did.
• 53:59
  Holes to pick everywhere. I think we totally bypassed the
• 54:03
  never before. Mentioned secret song that opens
• 54:05
  a secret door to get the other pyramid.
• 54:07
  I mean, I still bollocks, but it's because you're on an alien
• 54:11
  world. You just run with it.
• 54:12
  It's but I think, you know, and a lot of people do this in
• 54:15
  Jodie, Whittaker era. No.
• 54:17
  You ain't immune. And a lot of people go looking
• 54:20
  for these problems sometimes. Yes.
• 54:22
  You know, and sometimes just roll with it.
• 54:24
  I think if you don't like the doctor or the era or that is go,
• 54:29
  you will always find the really bad things because it's I do do
• 54:33
  it with thy actually to I do in the mafia.
• 54:35
  I'm I'll wash it, right? That's another one for his went.
• 54:38
  You know, when you really like an era of love, the doctor ever,
• 54:42
  you just don't care. They have no effect on your
• 54:44
  server. It's, I mean, I absolutely adore
• 54:47
  the Chase and time and the Rani, you know.
• 54:49
  Yeah, I'm telling you now there's a few flaws in there.
• 54:53
  Well, the chase is one. That's been reappraise, doesn't
• 54:55
  it? I mean you don't really find
• 54:56
  someone who says they don't like the chase.
• 54:58
  Well, This must marvelous has been reprise.
• 55:01
  Yeah, everyone seems like it, huh.
• 55:04
  I mean, talk about when Doctor Who production values were up
• 55:06
  there. Hi, hey.
• 55:10
  I was going on. So, I've got so busy, talking to
• 55:12
  you off, either. He came to the ring happened.
• 55:18
  Yeah, things like that. And the sun's been the fears.
• 55:23
  I think that's why people don't like the gravity thing.
• 55:26
  I will next time, Cold War. What's wrong?
• 55:29
  No, how do you know what I mean? I shouldn't be saying mean
• 55:32
  things because we lost David Warner this week.
• 55:34
  Yeah, but always that dreary. Yeah, it's true.
• 55:38
  It's, you know, I really don't like about it.
• 55:39
  You don't. The ice Warrior kill anyone.
• 55:42
  It's written by Mark Gatiss, it's not the best but it's not
• 55:48
  take him out the suit. That's that's their you sp.
• 55:51
  Yeah, I kinda get it as it sort of different today.
• 55:55
  The issue is the suit looks so sick and the the other things
• 55:59
  just a seizure terrible do it. Yeah.
• 56:03
  Series 10 when she was amazing, she's class that the Read on
• 56:10
  Wiki before. We started this, there's a nice
• 56:12
  boys out of it's shell on. I could send somewhere and I
• 56:15
  don't know if this is true, but I might go back and watch it
• 56:19
  again because I didn't know that.
• 56:22
  Well, look before we explore Twitter and people's rather than
• 56:27
  saying opinions. Sorry, everybody listening.
• 56:31
  We need to detail three reasons. I thought.
• 56:35
  Oh yeah, back and forth. You won me one.
• 56:38
  Why? The rings of akhaten is a solely
• 56:41
  undervalued story, solely on the value of because it's the
• 56:45
  best-looking Alien Planet we've ever had in doctor.
• 56:48
  Hey, that's number one. A bold claim that about second
• 56:52
  acts ever written. What's that expression in the
• 56:56
  Galaxy? That is a proper gap.
• 57:00
  In my knowledge that okay, what my first is, I think that I'm
• 57:08
  going to take both these out. So, you kind of have either one
• 57:10
  of these, the regulars are at their high.
• 57:16
  At this point in this is this the best of Matt Smith and Jenna
• 57:19
  Coleman. I think in this half season, and
• 57:22
  they're both given characterization that they can
• 57:26
  get their teeth into and really explore.
• 57:28
  I think they're both charismatic and I cannot take my eyes off
• 57:32
  them. Right.
• 57:34
  Okay. Well, I I need to sort of cheat
• 57:37
  a little bit and take a bit of that one because This is
• 57:40
  famously what I said on the podcast, the episode I would
• 57:43
  choose if I had 45 minutes left to live.
• 57:46
  It's all what people spit out there t right there, boss, Matt
• 57:54
  sniffing. This is everything.
• 57:57
  I want the doctors to be in 45 minutes.
• 57:59
  I think it's, I always feel a bit wrong with saying that
• 58:03
  because it's not one of the big ones, but I think it is my
• 58:05
  favorite doctor before. It's that there is, especially
• 58:07
  in the new series cuz It gets to play every be that I think it's
• 58:11
  like Sly adventurous so unpredictable funny,
• 58:16
  knowledgeable loud, you know, xplory defeated flurry and he's
• 58:22
  like dazzling. You know.
• 58:24
  It's just every beat the doctor can be should be in.
• 58:29
  Naturally gets to perform of this 45 minutes.
• 58:33
  Yeah. I think it's, I think it's my
• 58:35
  favorite doctor faults of all time.
• 58:37
  That's wow. That's extraordinary.
• 58:39
  Someone Shiva stop wanking. No, no shocks that
• 58:54
  I thought you were, okay, I'm going to make a punt for the
• 59:05
  production value of this thing which I think.
• 59:09
  Has massive massive ambition and reaches maybe two-thirds of it.
• 59:15
  But the amount of effort the prospective Prosthetics the CGI,
• 59:21
  the sets, I think they pour a lot of money into this one and I
• 59:27
  just always think there's something of visual interest to
• 59:29
  see all throughout the entire episode.
• 59:31
  Is a really pretty episode. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 59:34
  I think that they've really tried.
• 59:37
  You got this. Just really try.
• 59:39
  Try to bring it to life this it looks great.
• 59:42
  I still really ended on the Matt Smith Fox.
• 59:44
  It's such a bold statement so we're you guys I'm Erica how
• 59:47
  feel also well yeah I think I was going to say the long song
• 59:52
  really in general. It's quite it's my one cool.
• 59:55
  It's quite a banger itself and oh, what a bangle.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah, like abandoned you hey, you me, cool bangers.
• 1:00:06
  Very different things. But I think I like that, it ties
• 1:00:15
  into this isn't just an alien planet, but that it's a proper
• 1:00:19
  alien culture, and world and society.
• 1:00:21
  And its all seem really based around this song.
• 1:00:24
  It's quite weird, quite Opera to, and that it's really catchy.
• 1:00:29
  I mean, you can't, you will definitely go around tonight.
• 1:00:34
  Once this podcast is finished and your head will just be low
• 1:00:37
  weight Because it's just the way song.
• 1:00:42
  It ever got a What I Hear ever again Bunga.
• 1:00:47
  Oh God. That was my, the long song with
• 1:00:50
  literally a lullaby without and without oil, let's keep going.
• 1:00:57
  Then surely I think we should celebrate their for Neil cross
• 1:01:03
  for having the nerve for writing the piece of dialogue.
• 1:01:06
  Oh my stars. Yes.
• 1:01:08
  Oh, how did we not talk about that?
• 1:01:09
  Has never been heard before or since with good with.
• 1:01:12
  No, that's not my third thing. Of course, it's not my third
• 1:01:14
  thing is this should have been closed last words as she flew
• 1:01:18
  off in the diner. Yeah, it probably should have
• 1:01:22
  done to, you know. Okay so I'm going to say for my
• 1:01:26
  third thing, I think the score. So I've mentioned every level of
• 1:01:30
  a production now really apart from the direction but I think
• 1:01:35
  the score for this is and that kind of ties into the long song
• 1:01:38
  as well. But It has a very lovely child
• 1:01:42
  like school to it that runs through.
• 1:01:45
  I think, especially with the scenes with Miracle, ow Marigold
• 1:01:49
  I think is very praised for his early work.
• 1:01:52
  If Doctor Who yeah Latter-Day stuff, people don't really re
• 1:01:56
  very much, but actually, when he was on form right to the end I
• 1:02:01
  think he delivered extraordinary work.
• 1:02:03
  Yeah, I think the early stuff it's like every single one is
• 1:02:08
  great, isn't it? Crashed in it so original.
• 1:02:11
  Yeah, I'm memorable and everything and then he's
• 1:02:14
  obviously, always trying to do something different.
• 1:02:17
  When it comes off you get like you akka turns and yet you
• 1:02:21
  haven't sent scores and stuff. But there's a there's a couple
• 1:02:23
  that just go under the radar thing.
• 1:02:25
  So people people don't think he's as good.
• 1:02:27
  He's always brought, he's always good.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah. I think that would like to give
• 1:02:31
  me a cross a bit of a coup that off as well though, because I
• 1:02:35
  think he's the best. So, he Stephen writer and it's
• 1:02:38
  dialogues. Really.
• 1:02:39
  Good. If you see me, seemingly gets
• 1:02:41
  the doctor and and Clara actually probably better than
• 1:02:45
  most of the others and Yeah, yeah, I just wish she came back.
• 1:02:52
  It's maybe a sports is plotting. Doesn't seem to Great like this
• 1:02:57
  Stone which wishy-washy stuff in the rings of accent, but the
• 1:03:01
  dialogue, the back and forth to Matt Smith and Clara the way
• 1:03:03
  they bombed some of the jokes. It's just good and different.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, big farm is witty and you, you are my Sabe Fox.
• 1:03:11
  Oh, I love a little sentimental stuff either me to at all and
• 1:03:14
  all the stuff all the time is, right.
• 1:03:16
  He Davis lent into it and some of those Times in early sort of
• 1:03:19
  Matt Smith's time with Amy Pond. I love it that speech at the end
• 1:03:23
  of the engine Takes Manhattan where she's talking about all
• 1:03:26
  the adventures that she's had. Yeah, he's beautiful.
• 1:03:29
  And that's a schmaltzy is box. Whoever got yeah, give me soft.
• 1:03:33
  I love song. Mac to me so well.
• 1:03:35
  Okay, should we take to social media?
• 1:03:37
  Oh yes, please. I have to say, okay, what do you
• 1:03:40
  got to offer as well? All right, let's do one apiece.
• 1:03:43
  Okay, so I'm going to say, oh, Mark datuk is a very sexy.
• 1:03:48
  And I was just like that out loud.
• 1:03:51
  He says, are still bear a grudge against the episode because this
• 1:03:55
  guy didn't turn out to be a Draconian but otherwise I'd
• 1:03:58
  rather enjoy it. Oh yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Look at the picture. You know what?
• 1:04:00
  He's right. It doesn't I could correct that.
• 1:04:02
  That is my because I've never thought it but it does not look
• 1:04:05
  like one will come in and who've you got.
• 1:04:09
  Okay, I've got Dave Rennie. He says maybe it's just me but
• 1:04:15
  I've always found this one. Very hard to follow.
• 1:04:17
  I applaud the Ambition of the episode but the visuals don't
• 1:04:20
  always come off suddenly what we love you, but we think you're
• 1:04:24
  wrong. Love the underworld like gods.
• 1:04:27
  That you said that, I've never thought that either.
• 1:04:30
  It's got an original idea. These days bought, the whole
• 1:04:34
  Leaf thing is a load of old swaddled survey.
• 1:04:38
  The most important Leaf in human history.
• 1:04:40
  Dave honestly. Okay, I've got someone whose
• 1:04:45
  name here is so long. I've actually got go into their
• 1:04:48
  To see what it is. Frankenstein cannot be found in
• 1:04:50
  the ocean. Goodbye one intriguing, Twitter
• 1:04:54
  name is he says, fantastic visuals.
• 1:04:57
  Belting performance from Matt Smith, but somehow managed to be
• 1:05:00
  lackluster and that unbearably cringey barking alien.
• 1:05:04
  Still my Dori. Dori, what's wrong with him?
• 1:05:08
  Honestly, Frankenstein Tardis translation circuit.
• 1:05:11
  Anyone. One of the few stories, I don't
• 1:05:13
  like that sounded like They were a fan and it started off so
• 1:05:21
  positive. Fantastic visuals.
• 1:05:24
  Belting performance, one of the few stories I don't like.
• 1:05:38
  It's one of the more unusual stories which is no bad thing.
• 1:05:41
  As one of the best things about the show is its ability to do
• 1:05:43
  wildly different episodes for me.
• 1:05:46
  This is Doctor Who as rock opera.
• 1:05:48
  Well either rocket. Oh yeah with one of the best
• 1:05:51
  doctor speeches but the whole infinite possibilities Leaf,
• 1:05:55
  still bothers me, sort of the rock where you know when people
• 1:05:58
  sound like they're smashing up a kitchen and like screaming their
• 1:06:01
  heads off. Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  Imagine that version of the long song you know please do get
• 1:06:09
  called in distress you know. He has form.
• 1:06:15
  Okay. Oh God here we go.
• 1:06:17
  Fraser Gregory's. Got a comment and it's free
• 1:06:20
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• 1:06:22
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• 1:06:26
  Much-loved really are people on glue?
• 1:06:29
  This is great. Yeah, I'm off.
• 1:06:31
  It gives Clara some backstory and depth Marvel at how Clara
• 1:06:35
  honestly thinks this is a date, but the doctor doesn't realize
• 1:06:38
  be amazed that the array of alien creatures.
• 1:06:40
  Paraded before us the end of the world, via the Cantina in Star
• 1:06:45
  Wars, love Saves the Day in a very timely wine.
• 1:06:48
  Why with the possibilities of days to come being more precious
• 1:06:52
  than living in the past? Hmm maybe there's a moral, their
• 1:06:55
  fandom Smith is superb, Coleman is rising to the task.
• 1:06:59
  Our Arc is front and center and love Clara calling out for the
• 1:07:02
  dr. Stoker Enos at the end they're
• 1:07:04
  still wanting to come back for a second date bitch.
• 1:07:07
  But obviously the big talking point is the long song wowzers
• 1:07:11
  Marigold Nails it when he wants to do it doesn't it?
• 1:07:14
  This is a firm favourite of mine.
• 1:07:16
  He's got a done in three. Two.
• 1:07:18
  Tweet. Oh, and I was just like we have,
• 1:07:20
  you got the wrong person on the podcast.
• 1:07:22
  It's just, it's just an infinitely better job than me.
• 1:07:25
  You also know as well, as I literally spend my entire
• 1:07:27
  podcast like time, disagreeing with him.
• 1:07:31
  And I agree with every word he said there.
• 1:07:33
  I mean, I'm glad he picked up on a date thing because I get that
• 1:07:36
  Vibe all the way 37b. Yeah, end of the world.
• 1:07:40
  What do you say towards the end before the ones, from, before
• 1:07:43
  the long term? But so the arc is front and
• 1:07:47
  center, he likes Are calling out on the doctor being a stalker.
• 1:07:50
  Oh yeah, no, you make some very good points.
• 1:07:53
  Don't tell anyone but he does your turn.
• 1:07:57
  It's well to counteract that we've got Bernhard at burner
• 1:08:00
  JKD, one of the least good pieces of any fiction across any
• 1:08:04
  media I've ever watched. Well bird.
• 1:08:09
  We respect your opinion. He must be a cold war fun.
• 1:08:13
  I'll bet you see a big loss of dominators as well.
• 1:08:16
  No, it's thank you very much. Okay, lit, roundels.
• 1:08:22
  Our man. Have you seen this guy?
• 1:08:24
  What Hoy, honestly. It's gonna get him to come on
• 1:08:26
  this. You don't lie, and I'm quite
• 1:08:28
  convinced him yet, but tell him how good is cool.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah, yeah. Good lookin man.
• 1:08:35
  No. No, tell him how good it is.
• 1:08:36
  Coming on this thing. Oh no.
• 1:08:39
  I just gave up on this very handsome.
• 1:08:42
  Okay. First Doctor Who episode to make
• 1:08:44
  me want to turn off? Oh retract!
• 1:08:48
  Retract honestly I shall be having a good.
• 1:08:50
  Look at the picture. Second thoughts about I lowered,
• 1:08:53
  the self-satisfied series. Be Clara Coleman and Smith.
• 1:08:56
  Brought out the worst in each other looks very cheap.
• 1:08:59
  Story, doesn't interest me? Yes, Yuck, we've seen places.
• 1:09:03
  Plus we get another one of those die speeches.
• 1:09:05
  That every other actor is forced to repeat a conventions.
• 1:09:08
  Which other doctor could, you see people in that speech off or
• 1:09:11
  not Colin Baker, not of the, it's not Neil cross his fault
• 1:09:15
  that it's wheeled out every convention though.
• 1:09:20
  So someone said something about, I love saves the day and and by
• 1:09:22
  they think it is love safe today.
• 1:09:24
  It's more subtle than that. It's a lot more nicer, death The
• 1:09:33
  the previous one, what he said about living like it's much more
• 1:09:38
  important for the days that is coming to live in the past.
• 1:09:41
  That's the theme of the episode. That's, it's not as it's not
• 1:09:46
  just a leaf, I thought, once me up, well it's not just a frog,
• 1:09:51
  is it? It's a signal Universe, you know
• 1:09:54
  people getting so obsessed about the details although I will just
• 1:09:58
  say very briefly. We are obviously taking the mick
• 1:10:01
  He a people's opinions here. All opinions are perfectly.
• 1:10:04
  Oh yeah, yeah. Except it, they don't matter of
• 1:10:08
  ours. Okay, well you've got to do
• 1:10:11
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• 1:10:15
  of the most hated, seriously, I quite enjoy this.
• 1:10:19
  One Clara is good. I like the music.
• 1:10:23
  It looks amazing too. Okay, it's not the best but
• 1:10:26
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• 1:10:28
  Well, did, that's the sort of thing I thought would The
• 1:10:31
  general reaction that okay, it's not my cup of tea.
• 1:10:35
  But Christ, this worse, I mean I think I think what waiting for
• 1:10:40
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• 1:10:43
  isn't it? Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  It's this is that luck with. You did love monsters last time.
• 1:10:47
  That's exactly the same. Yeah, we need to do more.
• 1:10:51
  What have one can we do that everyone hates that?
• 1:10:53
  We love? What will find that?
• 1:10:55
  They've got the pole? Brendan A Jones, says massively
• 1:10:58
  improved in my estimation on watching for flight for
• 1:11:01
  entireties upcoming season. Seven be run.
• 1:11:04
  A real showcase for Jenna's Talent.
• 1:11:06
  My question, always got For you. You ready?
• 1:11:09
  Yeah, it is Eve of you think grandfather or a cotton was a
• 1:11:12
  returning villain or Monster and if so which oh no, I never never
• 1:11:18
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• 1:11:21
  There's nothing in it. Really, is that the suggest that
• 1:11:23
  they would return, they would have to go back to our concern,
• 1:11:26
  I suppose maybe grandfather, like the sun, just vanishes,
• 1:11:30
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• 1:11:32
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• 1:11:34
  No, they're not going to have willing heart will turn up in
• 1:11:37
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• 1:11:40
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• 1:11:44
  have been a clip of him on a concern.
• 1:11:47
  Because the poor Patrick shouting, that weird California
• 1:11:49
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• 1:11:53
  Hello, put those together, you know, he's got fantastic work
• 1:11:55
  out there on YouTube. Is it, what's his name?
• 1:11:59
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• 1:12:01
  Yeah, it's fantastic. He does.
• 1:12:04
  Okay. Also, she actually, yes, go.
• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:14
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• 1:12:17
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• 1:12:20
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• 1:12:24
  bringing so many aliens together.
• 1:12:26
  Essentially, for a sit-down single film.
• 1:12:29
  While the doctor yells are giant.
• 1:12:31
  Pumpkin, about the wickedness of religion.
• 1:12:33
  Interesting. Okay, I've got a great one here.
• 1:12:36
  The guys called Baby. Al's bagels and lox.
• 1:12:39
  And he says, there's just one draft and a guest score from
• 1:12:43
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• 1:12:45
  It's just one draft and a guest score from Peter.
• 1:12:48
  Gabriel away from absolute genius at me.
• 1:12:52
  It's already tedious. I so I got it.
• 1:12:56
  This little bits in it. It could be streamed a bit but
• 1:12:59
  then I quite doctor. You should never be perfect.
• 1:13:02
  So it does. So there's a bit of me that
• 1:13:06
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• 1:13:09
  my experience of it but I'll always find an imperfection
• 1:13:12
  somewhere. Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Yeah. Go ahead DW SSG.
• 1:13:18
  Love this episode. Yes.
• 1:13:19
  The plot disappears into silliness.
• 1:13:21
  So I'll finish, but there's lots to like, Matt Smith is
• 1:13:24
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• 1:13:27
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• 1:13:29
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• 1:13:31
  of 37. The my opinion knowing but
• 1:13:35
  there's a question, another question for you ready?
• 1:13:37
  Yeah. Steven.
• 1:13:38
  Alex, are we gonna do? He's just like Freddy Krueger.
• 1:13:40
  He's always coming at me. He's always going to be off my
• 1:13:43
  opinion. Does a midseason Oddball episode
• 1:13:46
  really War of the doctor bursting into tears and going,
• 1:13:49
  emotionally stratospheric. I mean, it doesn't really matter
• 1:13:55
  if it's very, surely, should always be aiming to do the most
• 1:14:00
  A biggest and best thing with dr.
• 1:14:03
  If you got given an episode of Doctor Who to, right?
• 1:14:05
  You're not just going to go. Well this is MIT.
• 1:14:07
  It's Airy so I'll just do it after you go is fucking balls to
• 1:14:11
  the wall as you could. He be having so much sex.
• 1:14:13
  I'll tell you what. Honestly, it was the sort of
• 1:14:17
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• 1:14:20
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• 1:14:24
  Is it like it's a midseason? Yeah, he's really sat down
• 1:14:27
  again. This is only mid series.
• 1:14:29
  All Cornell wasn't when he It down on top.
• 1:14:31
  Top human nature from his book. It didn't go.
• 1:14:33
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• 1:14:35
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• 1:14:38
  gonna be the, the finale of all Doctor, Who, and Steven Moffat
• 1:14:43
  was like, I'm going to sit down and write blink, you watch it.
• 1:14:46
  I'm going to knock those all those little fuckers out of the
• 1:14:48
  park, okay. Yes.
• 1:14:52
  That Joe short says, I checked out the series by this point.
• 1:14:56
  As I didn't like anyone in it. Oh my God.
• 1:15:00
  Well Joe, I understand, I do I mean, I don't know how if you
• 1:15:07
  don't like anyone in it, that suggests didn't like Matt Smith
• 1:15:10
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• 1:15:14
  That is true. That is true.
• 1:15:15
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• 1:15:19
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• 1:15:22
  They're okay. Well, I've got a question for
• 1:15:24
  you again from Simon heart. The love of my life, is this a
• 1:15:27
  story where even Doctor Who's much bigger?
• 1:15:30
  Budget. Now, can't quite match.
• 1:15:33
  The writing. Can they pull the visuals off?
• 1:15:36
  I actually think the right in is not asking for huge amounts.
• 1:15:43
  I think it's an episode where they've gone, we want to try our
• 1:15:47
  best to make this, this episode look absolutely amazing.
• 1:15:51
  I think they could compromise certain aspects of this quite
• 1:15:55
  easily, I think. But they've obviously gone Balls
• 1:15:58
  to the walls to try and make it a Big alien planet thing.
• 1:16:04
  I tell you think you should ever restrict Doctor Who really,
• 1:16:08
  especially modern Doctor, Who all Classic Series in Little
• 1:16:11
  Pirate Planet. Le is like, yeah, we're gonna
• 1:16:12
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• 1:16:19
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• 1:16:22
  like the Bob Baker episodes, you know, there they were always
• 1:16:25
  renowned for may be aiming too high but then It's going to
• 1:16:31
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• 1:16:33
  Is different Vibes, different episodes every week.
• 1:16:37
  That's the beauty of doctor. I don't think you should ever
• 1:16:39
  restrict it because of money. Be ambitious in the writing and
• 1:16:42
  the production. Yeah.
• 1:16:44
  You're gonna fall on your face. Well, you're gonna do it.
• 1:16:46
  Don't to fans are very forgiving or apparently, not, and there's
• 1:16:51
  Nathan bottomley chipped in at the end of that, by the way and
• 1:16:53
  said, no, they can't really, but I'm not sorry.
• 1:16:54
  They try it which I think it's a great answer.
• 1:16:58
  Yeah. okay, if we got What did God say?
• 1:17:09
  That begins with an ex Eric streets toss?
• 1:17:12
  Wrists toss Curtis. Here we go.
• 1:17:15
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• 1:17:17
  I recently watched again and enjoyed it.
• 1:17:20
  Some great visuals, not one monster, but three, nice bits of
• 1:17:24
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• 1:17:27
  much like the Beast Below in construction.
• 1:17:29
  He did say that this is the companions episode.
• 1:17:33
  Clara saves the day, like a me, I Under if the dislike stems
• 1:17:37
  from being otherworldly, and it is the human companion that safe
• 1:17:41
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• 1:17:44
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• 1:17:52
  Hello. We're Planet Savage.
• 1:17:55
  It is especially interesting and it is different change.
• 1:17:57
  I don't think it looks bad at all.
• 1:18:00
  Maybe I'm just a lives. He is visually interesting.
• 1:18:02
  So yes, it goes on to say, I also think this goes back to the
• 1:18:08
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• 1:18:12
  Gretel escaping from the gingerbread house appearance. /
• 1:18:15
  reality, the trapping children eating children, / childhood,
• 1:18:20
  memories the which being tricked into the okay?
• 1:18:23
  He's lost me a bit Saucy. Yeah, I agree with the fairy
• 1:18:27
  tale and and the episodes of Series 7 there.
• 1:18:31
  By far, my favorite are the ones that bring that back.
• 1:18:34
  So this and the snowman are probably my two.
• 1:18:36
  Six and risto skirt is I applaud you.
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  children. Are there really?
• 1:18:47
  I don't get that bit. So it's okay if they're on the
• 1:18:51
  menu. Okay.
• 1:18:53
  Jason Thompson has to say should be great, some intriguing ideas
• 1:18:56
  but it bugs the hell out of me that they seem to forget what
• 1:18:58
  spaces are you only to give them some context, right?
• 1:19:01
  Because he knows his science, this is a guy who had a nervous
• 1:19:04
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• 1:19:07
  It became famous on a forum because he went so insane.
• 1:19:09
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• 1:19:14
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• 1:19:17
  with hair flapping in the wind, indeed.
• 1:19:20
  And what happens if you get rid of something, the thing you're
• 1:19:24
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• 1:19:32
  So because kill the Moon, is our moon that one really W meal, I
• 1:19:38
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• 1:19:40
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• 1:19:43
  I think if you make that any other Moon it you can buy it
• 1:19:47
  honestly, but you make it a smooth and they're trying to but
• 1:19:50
  that human element again, though they said well, yeah, that that
• 1:19:53
  says, let's make it reliable, but this, you can just go well
• 1:19:56
  with it. Honestly, it's that could send
• 1:19:59
  physics. That's literally how I explain
• 1:20:01
  it in my jacket out physics. This base physics, as Terry
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• 1:20:08
  Me gonna come at me now and say that space.
• 1:20:10
  Physics is like an oxymoron. Also see does also say, the
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• 1:20:20
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  Come on, yes, I've got Shaney, he's just reply with a picture
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  Ladies not a word spoken The Fabulous.
• 1:20:43
  Peter Kaminsky says, I really love it too, especially the
• 1:20:47
  design of it. I know it's cheesy as hell but
• 1:20:50
  the leaf speech gets me every time.
• 1:20:53
  Yes got pro-lifer, we're Pro leaf on this point.
• 1:21:02
  Very Pete Lambert says, well it's a gift for Back to the
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  Future. ER but says it's leave.
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  You idiots make like a tree and leave.
• 1:21:13
  You sound like a damn fool. It's because I said I liked it.
• 1:21:19
  Yeah we'll also give you some context.
• 1:21:20
  This is the only episode of Doctor Who that he has never
• 1:21:23
  seen. Oh, right.
• 1:21:25
  Pop that night. And then when he came over and
• 1:21:27
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• 1:21:33
  How could you resist? What should it do you resist?
• 1:21:37
  I've never seen. Can you hear me?
• 1:21:39
  Have, you know, that's my one. I've never seen though.
• 1:21:42
  Attacked, well, I tapped Out. Join series 12 and then I sort
• 1:21:45
  of watched a few and that's just the one that seemingly evaded.
• 1:21:49
  I've just got no interest to go and put it on my watch.
• 1:21:52
  It was a commentary on that are make you watch it.
• 1:21:56
  Yeah, the issue. If we did a commentary, I can't
• 1:21:59
  watch got no free, watch it. And then yeah again, yeah.
• 1:22:04
  Well look, I think we've Covered the length and breadth of Akutan
• 1:22:09
  in some depth there. Yes.
• 1:22:11
  Do you feel as if you have? It's sponged your soul and it
• 1:22:15
  given enough reasons as to why people should like this.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah, so I've always got too much to say, Joy another
• 1:22:21
  shocking comments. I've said this is the best
• 1:22:24
  doctor performance of all time. On the night this readout.
• 1:22:27
  It's just amazing. Because hang on, wait, I need to
• 1:22:30
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• 1:22:32
  shocking. Okay, okay.
• 1:22:35
  On the night. This I watched it four times and
• 1:22:39
  in in the 24-hour period, from what it was out, I'd watched it
• 1:22:42
  seven times. I loved it.
• 1:22:45
  How come just now as I said, what how many times have you
• 1:22:49
  seen it now? Oh fuck.
• 1:22:51
  Countless countless. Countless your, and you could
• 1:22:53
  quote this back to back. No, actually I sugar.
• 1:22:57
  It's, you know, sometimes when you watch stuff so much that you
• 1:23:00
  love you just not even mentally taking note of the quotes or
• 1:23:05
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• 1:23:12
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• 1:23:15
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• 1:23:20
  monsters, probably 80 or 90%. That's because I had to like
• 1:23:24
  study the transcript so I can Your reference to every joke in
• 1:23:28
  that story that I wrote. Well, thank you very much for
• 1:23:33
  coming on tonight. This was, I was so excited about
• 1:23:36
  doing this one because it's blind and I knew we were going
• 1:23:40
  to be positive about it, and that's a wonderful thing to do,
• 1:23:43
  so, thank you. Thank you.
• 1:23:44
  I loved it. It's great being back on again.
• 1:23:47
  It's great. What we are going to do and what
• 1:23:49
  we said we were going to do in the past.
• 1:23:50
  Now I got a feeling, I want to find a classic Who Now does not
• 1:23:54
  love that you and I Of and we will do the same thing but you
• 1:23:58
  and I and your podcast co-host are planning on dip diving into
• 1:24:04
  Mafia again. Are we were gonna do flesh and
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  as fast as 30 way we should definitely get around to that.
• 1:24:13
  Yeah. If you could scare Chris on, I
• 1:24:15
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  Otherwise, he could have been here with us.
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  I would actually like to do on that.
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  I'm not too keen on because I feel like I've done to sort of
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  That love you quatre. Just throw some at me now.
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  Let's not keen on. I loved it.
• 1:24:35
  My people. People are very patient and I
• 1:24:36
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  I hate the doctor's daughter. Are you still listening?
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  I hate the doctor's daughter hater, but everyone hates that.
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  hate? Hey Kenny, this is a very Pro Jo
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  Dee kah kah. So I found all those people that
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• 1:25:12
  stackable the and I still, I still watch them still like
• 1:25:16
  them, but I feel like that might just be a waste of everybody's
• 1:25:19
  time if I'm just in, tell me a Capaldi because I've hardly
• 1:25:23
  touched on the foliage. Yeah, this is I think it is.
• 1:25:26
  No, I really don't like the woman who lived but that I died.
• 1:25:29
  So boring I just can't even. I'm not a big fan of the zygon
• 1:25:32
  two-parter either. The caretaker crap.
• 1:25:39
  Okay, there we go. Oh yeah, because all I have
• 1:25:44
  mixed feelings about that one. Yeah.
• 1:25:46
  It's a horrible episode. Kurtik.
• 1:25:48
  Okay. Well I'm looking forward to
• 1:25:50
  hearing why book in a day for that so that just leaves me to
• 1:25:55
  say until next time. Yes, I forgot.