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  Speaker 1: Is the Gold Reform. Thanks to Stephen Good to be back,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks also to James McPherson for filling in for
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  Speaker 1: me so brilliantly. Tonight packed show including a Chinese woman
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  Speaker 1: charge today for foreign interference here for the Chinese Communists.
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  Speaker 1: Also tonight, more warnings that the Albanezi government's Green Revolution
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  Speaker 1: is falling apart and costing us even more than predicted.
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  Speaker 1: Plus Donald Trump buzz into the fake race scandal over
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney's advert Jenes, and a new biography accuses Prince
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  Speaker 1: Harry of giving his uncle Andrew a bloody knows. But first,
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  Speaker 1: and most importantly, yesterday's antis Israel protest and the Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Harbor Bridge was a national shame, a sign of moral decline,
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  Speaker 1: and you can judge it by this. This video of
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  Speaker 1: yesterday's march of an iconic symbol of our country has
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  Speaker 1: been run and celebrated on the Kuds news network, which
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  Speaker 1: has been linked to the Hamas terrorist regime and Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: So here we have Hamas sympathizers celebrating. So I am
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  Speaker 1: not buying claims today by politicians like the new South
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  Speaker 1: Wales labor premier that this was just a protest by
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  Speaker 1: ninety thousand people in a good cause.
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  Speaker 2: We appreciated that people were going to that demonstration for
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  Speaker 2: legitimate purposes.
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  Speaker 3: And they had a genuine desire to protest in those circumstances,
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  Speaker 3: and we were trying to find a way through.
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  Speaker 1: Legitimate purpose. Let's check who was there and what they said.
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  Speaker 1: At the start of the march. Holding the big banner
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  Speaker 1: were politicians like labury Or Milsey, Stephen Lawrence, Federal Labor
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  Speaker 1: MP At Husick, former Labor Premier Bob Karr, and Sydney
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  Speaker 1: mayor Clovermore. Now, Karr actually posted this photograph himself of
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  Speaker 1: all then standing in front of a big picture of
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  Speaker 1: Iran's supreme leader Aotola Hamani, who leads in Islam's fascist
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  Speaker 1: regime that has bombed Israel and funded terrorist groups like Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: Now behind those guys were and the Lord mayor were
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  Speaker 1: mass people flying the jihadest flag that's used by terrorist
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  Speaker 1: groups like the Islamic State and the green flag of Hamas,
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  Speaker 1: which started this war with Israel by slaughtering twelve hundred
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  Speaker 1: Jews and kidnapping one hundred and fifty one of them,
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  Speaker 1: about twenty of whom are still kept alive in tunnels
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  Speaker 1: under Gaza. One protest that held a sign likening Israel
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  Speaker 1: to the Nazi regime, while others chanted for the death
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  Speaker 1: of Israeli soldiers. There was also more talk of war
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  Speaker 1: against Israel. At that march. A leader of the Hiszbotaria
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  Speaker 1: and islam extreme scroup that's banned in Britain was on
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  Speaker 1: the bridge gloating of what they saw as support for
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  Speaker 1: Hamasa's war on Israel.
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  Speaker 4: One of the most important moments that we see capture
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  Speaker 4: here today is the unity of the Muslims, tens of
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  Speaker 4: thousands of them walking on this bridge for the first
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  Speaker 4: time ever in this country, in the most iconic location
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  Speaker 4: in this country, working together, chanting for a freakiness scene
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  Speaker 4: on an Islamic basis, on the basis that our blood
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  Speaker 4: and their blood is wine. Our struggle and their struggle
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  Speaker 4: is wine, Our war and their war is one.
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  Speaker 1: They were also chanced by some protesters for all Jews
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  Speaker 1: to leave Israel, because, after all, Hamasa's aim is the
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  Speaker 1: total destruction of Israel. So is all that what the
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales premiere meant by protests having legitimate concerns
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  Speaker 1: those protesters now, most obviously, of course, these ninety thousand
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  Speaker 1: people didn't give a damn that they were causing massive
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  Speaker 1: traffic problems for tens of thousands of other It'sustralians by
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  Speaker 1: blocking a major transport link. That kind of protesting is
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  Speaker 1: actually bullying and shame on the judge or refused the
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  Speaker 1: police request to banned the marches from the bridge and go.
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  Speaker 1: You know, protests say in a park. You've got to ask, now,
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  Speaker 1: how many other protesters can now block the bridge for
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  Speaker 1: their cause. I don't know. Did the judge think that
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  Speaker 1: these protesters, these particular ones, deserved that privilege. Now, some
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  Speaker 1: prominent pro Palestine organizers, Tasnim Sannak, actually wanted the Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Harbor Bridge for this protest because she said it's a
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  Speaker 1: symbol of Australian colonialism that needs to be torn down. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this protest did attract haters of the West, generally US
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  Speaker 1: in particular, which is why some protesters another anti Israel
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  Speaker 1: protests in Melbourne this time that also yesterday demanded austral
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  Speaker 1: be abolished and also burned our flag. Now, of course
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  Speaker 1: there were people that the protests who did I guess
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  Speaker 1: mean well, just wanted the war to stop, just wanted
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  Speaker 1: starvation in Gaza to stop. But again I make two points. First,
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  Speaker 1: good intentions are no excuse for evil outcomes. Now, Protests
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  Speaker 1: like this, in fact, just encourage Hamas to keep fighting,
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  Speaker 1: when the suffering in Gaza would actually end instantly if
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  Speaker 1: Hamas surrendered today. Even Arab nations were last week demanding
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  Speaker 1: Hamas give up its weapons for free the hostages. Now,
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  Speaker 1: some protests yesterday's march may have called for that too,
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  Speaker 1: but I did not hear them. This march was overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 1: anti Israel, and Amas is taking courage from the support
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  Speaker 1: it's now getting from protests like this and left wing politicians.
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  Speaker 1: It was being slaughtered by Israel in this war, but
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  Speaker 1: it's now pulled out of peace talks, actually pulled out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes that I said it would keep on fighting. Sutil
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  Speaker 1: have got an independent Palatinian state, which, of course it
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  Speaker 1: expects the control in which the Australian government may well
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  Speaker 1: recognize in September a new terrorist state. Now, the second
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  Speaker 1: point I want to make about these well meaning protesters
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  Speaker 1: is this, why are they so keen to believe that
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  Speaker 1: the Jews are genocidal and deliberately starving two million Gazans
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  Speaker 1: to death? How many are actually being fooled by Hamas
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  Speaker 1: propaganda in cause I'm going to show you a harrowing image.
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  Speaker 1: A week ago a little more, newspapers here and around
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  Speaker 1: the world ran this shocking picture of a one year
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  Speaker 1: old in Gaza, claiming it showed how Israel was deliberately
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  Speaker 1: starving Palatinians by stopping food supplies. The Prime Minister himself
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  Speaker 1: was sucked in.
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  Speaker 5: That boy isn't challenging Israel's right to existence, and nor
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  Speaker 5: are the many who continue to suffer from the unavailability
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  Speaker 5: of food and mortar.
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  Speaker 1: Now since turned out that another photo from that shoot
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  Speaker 1: of that boy that wasn't published shows the poor child
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  Speaker 1: with another boy, believed to be his three year old brother,
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  Speaker 1: who actually looks well fed. So you may well ask
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  Speaker 1: why is one child skeletal and the other not well?
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  Speaker 1: As The New York Times was forced to admit that
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  Speaker 1: one year old had a pre existing medical condition, in fact, several,
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  Speaker 1: including apparently spina bifida. And again and again, there are
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  Speaker 1: curious details in stories of the supposed famine that Hamas
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  Speaker 1: promotes to demonize Israel. Here, for instance, is a recent
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  Speaker 1: photo from Gaza, where journalists operate only with Hamasa's permission.
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  Speaker 1: A photo of a man grieving over another we're told
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  Speaker 1: died of starvation, but how come the grieving man looks
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  Speaker 1: well fed. Did the dead man actually dive of something
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  Speaker 1: else like cancer? Who knows? Yesterday we also had this
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  Speaker 1: ambulance chief of Gaza damning Israel religionally shooting starving people,
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  Speaker 1: but he himself looks well fed too, as does this
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  Speaker 1: Palestinian in Gaza, also ranting against Israel yesterday, as does
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  Speaker 1: this Gazan man complaining about the airdrops of food now
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  Speaker 1: being organized by the Israelis, saying real men would bring
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  Speaker 1: the food in by land. But there is one indisputable
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  Speaker 1: footage of deliberate starvation in Gaza. The thing is, it
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  Speaker 1: shows the starvation of this man, a Jewish musician who
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  Speaker 1: was kidnapped by Hamas, and a warning the footage I'm
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  Speaker 1: about to show is distressing. This poor hostage was filmed
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  Speaker 1: just days ago, digging. He said his own grave in
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  Speaker 1: footage that his family wanted the world to see. The
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  Speaker 1: terrorists holding him still underground in Gaza claim this hostage
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  Speaker 1: has just been fed what they themselves have to eat,
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  Speaker 1: which is plainly false. Because this still from that video
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  Speaker 1: of a terrorist holding out his arm to the hostage
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  Speaker 1: seems actually very beefy, nothing like the poor hostage's skinny arms.
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  Speaker 1: So no Hamas is deliberately starving Jewish hostages to death,
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  Speaker 1: just like the Nazis did in Auschwitz. But who on
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  Speaker 1: the Harbor bridge yesterday protested about that flagrant torturing of
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  Speaker 1: a Jew? But be clear, I'm certainly not denying there
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  Speaker 1: is hunger in pockets of Gaza. But I have to ask,
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  Speaker 1: did the protests actually think wonder whose fault that really was?
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  Speaker 1: Did anyone in the bridge ask themselves that question before
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  Speaker 1: marching in protests against Israel? You see, Israel claims that
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  Speaker 1: Gaza was sent enough food in the first three months
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  Speaker 1: of this year to feed nearly two million people for
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  Speaker 1: six months by World Food Program standards. So where did
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  Speaker 1: it all go? Well? Israel, says, Hamas actually steals much
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  Speaker 1: of the food sent in by the United Nations and
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  Speaker 1: resells it at a huge profit to fund its war machine. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: the UN's own figures show eighty five percent of the
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  Speaker 1: food that's trunted delivering Gaza since May nineteen was intercepted,
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  Speaker 1: either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors
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  Speaker 1: like Hamas. Indeed, just yesterday a Prohamas telegram channel posted
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  Speaker 1: this video of another terrorist group in Gaza firing mortars
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  Speaker 1: still at Israeli troops, right next to bags of Israeli
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  Speaker 1: aid which are being almost used like sand bags. Have
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  Speaker 1: got so much of it. That's why Israel pause food's
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  Speaker 1: deliveries while it worked out an alternative delivery now done
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  Speaker 1: by the US Bat Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, one that kept
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  Speaker 1: the aid out of Amasa's hands. Well, her Mass was
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  Speaker 1: furious at that, and it warned palatinis was strictly forbidden
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  Speaker 1: to deal with, work for or provide any form of
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  Speaker 1: assistance or cover to the American organization. And it is
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  Speaker 1: now accused by Israel of killing Gazans trying to get
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  Speaker 1: to the food sites, but meanwhile blaming Israel's army for
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  Speaker 1: those deaths. Now that said Israel does also admit firing
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  Speaker 1: at crowds that threatened its soldiers near Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites.
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  Speaker 1: But it would also be of no surprise to me
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  Speaker 1: if a Mass has meanwhile making the hunger worse by
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  Speaker 1: refusing to release aid. It's stolen, and that's because her
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  Speaker 1: Mass has made it clear that it thinks dead Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: are great for demonizing Israel, and so that's why it
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  Speaker 1: uses civilians as human shields, fights from hospitals and refuses
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  Speaker 1: the build any public bombshelters to protect the people. It's
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  Speaker 1: also why it won't surrender now, figuring that the more
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  Speaker 1: the Palestinians suffer, the more the world will actually hate Israel,
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  Speaker 1: which AMAS wants to destroy. And this horrific propaganda works.
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  Speaker 1: Just look yesterday's protests that just made a Muss so
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  Speaker 1: very happy. Let me stick for a minute with this
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  Speaker 1: food drops by the Gazan human Humanitarian Foundation, because there
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  Speaker 1: are so many lies told about that too. Like Israel,
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  Speaker 1: i've seen many reports using the aid apparently as bait,
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  Speaker 1: and then shooting dead the Palestinians who come for it.
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  Speaker 1: The UN and a Muss claim that fourteen hundred Palestinians
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  Speaker 1: have been shot dead going for this gaz Of Humanitarian
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  Speaker 1: Foundation aid, with the UN blaming Israeli soldiers for most
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  Speaker 1: of it. As that happens. Andrew Fox, a research fellow
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  Speaker 1: that Henry Jackson's Society and a retired major in the
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  Speaker 1: British Army, actually went to one of these food drops
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza just last week to see for himself the
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  Speaker 1: chaos but also the good being done. He's written a
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  Speaker 1: great well balanced theirsay on what he saw, and he
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  Speaker 1: joins me now from Surrey in the Kingdom. Andrew Fox,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: the allegation is that Israel is deliberately starving Palaestinis to
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  Speaker 1: death and shooting people that come looking for the aid
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  Speaker 1: that it does provide.
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  Speaker 6: What is the truth here, Well, first of all, there's
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  Speaker 6: no deliberate starvation. It would be extremely foolish to not
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  Speaker 6: expect to see some instances of starvation in a war zone.
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  Speaker 6: There's a reason the four horsemen of the Apocalypse of
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  Speaker 6: what they are pastils, famine, death, and war. These things
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  Speaker 6: all go hand in hand. But the idea that there
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  Speaker 6: is a liberate starvation strategy is just ridiculous. On average,
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  Speaker 6: three thousand calories per person per day have gone into
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  Speaker 6: Gaza during the war, and that's in spite of some
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  Speaker 6: of the pauses in some of the kind of halts on.
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  Speaker 1: Aid that Israel is imposed.
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  Speaker 6: On average, there's more than enough to feed the average
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  Speaker 6: adult human has gone in during the war. Now, why
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  Speaker 6: aren't people receiving it. Of course, the UN have allowed
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  Speaker 6: their AID convoys to be hijacked a her mass have
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  Speaker 6: been stockpiling aid, And the way it has generally worked
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  Speaker 6: out is if you are an affluent garden, if you're
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  Speaker 6: connected to one of the clans or connected to Harmas,
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  Speaker 6: then you're well fed. If you are a poor lower
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  Speaker 6: caste guardsen, then you are almost certainly going hungry because
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  Speaker 6: you can't afford the inflated food prices. In terms of
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  Speaker 6: queuing up and shooting people, yes, the Israelis have used
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  Speaker 6: They've used live fire to try and do crowd control,
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  Speaker 6: which you know, is something I'm not comfortable with as
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  Speaker 6: a former soldier. That feels slightly slightly reckless to me.
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  Speaker 6: But the idea that they're baiting them and then mowing
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  Speaker 6: them down in drove is just ridiculous and there's absolutely
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  Speaker 6: no evidence to support that. Yes, there have been some
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  Speaker 6: incidences where gardens have strayed off the pathways and have
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  Speaker 6: been given warning shots and then you know, more fatal shots,
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  Speaker 6: but these are rare instances. The UN figures you mentioned
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  Speaker 6: are just her Masses figures. They just take her Masses
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  Speaker 6: figures and repeat them with a very tiny asterisk saying
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  Speaker 6: these figures are unconfirmed and clearly the guys of Health
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  Speaker 6: Ministry numbers cannot be trusted.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you went to see one of the Gas and
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  Speaker 1: Humanitarian Foundation AID drops last week, What did you see?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it was extremely chaotic. You're in the heats,
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  Speaker 6: You're in an area that is absolutely destroyed. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's unbelievable the extent to which the buildings in that
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  Speaker 6: part of Raffa have been destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: It it's one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 6: The heat is there that the crowds of people come
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  Speaker 6: swarming down and I saw you played some of my
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  Speaker 6: footage there. It's like nothing I've ever seen, just to
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  Speaker 6: see of humanity descending on the AID picking through it.
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  Speaker 6: They're bartering, they're trading. We saw young men who were
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  Speaker 6: quite affluent. Clearly they had sharp haircuts, nice trainers. They
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  Speaker 6: were at the side. They weren't really interested in the AID,
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  Speaker 6: they were just observing. We saw people with knives, some
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  Speaker 6: of them are using them for box cutting. But again
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  Speaker 6: some of these, you know, these groups were at the
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  Speaker 6: side and weren't particularly interested in the AID. So there's
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  Speaker 6: definitely nefarious influence from militant groups. Bit her Mass or
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  Speaker 6: one of the other groups. The biggest concern for me
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  Speaker 6: is what happens to the aid once it actually leaves
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  Speaker 6: the secure site. People can get hold hold of it there,
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  Speaker 6: they can get enough for a meal, they can take
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  Speaker 6: it away. My concern is that there's not enough security
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  Speaker 6: to stop it being intercepted once they get back to
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  Speaker 6: their attents. And I know that the guys a Humanitarian
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  Speaker 6: Foundation are actually working on ways to make this system better.
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  Speaker 6: It's a new system, it's still got teething problems, and
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  Speaker 6: they're working through it and they're making huge strides from
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  Speaker 6: what I could see.
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  Speaker 1: You've written at the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid their aid
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  Speaker 1: drops end with the men there that you've described, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them, who knows, they could be mass operatives
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. They're told to leave while women and children
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  Speaker 1: and then asked to stay behind to get the last
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  Speaker 1: aid that's being held back just for them. What's that
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  Speaker 1: all about?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So in previous in previous iterations of distributions, they
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  Speaker 6: were finding that the men took everything and left nothing
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  Speaker 6: for the week the elderly, women and children. So this
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  Speaker 6: was actually a new thing. It was the second time
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  Speaker 6: of trying it. First time it didn't go well. This
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  Speaker 6: time it went really well, and it was really great
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  Speaker 6: to see. So the men picked through the sort of
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  Speaker 6: the being bulk of the aid. They reserved five percent
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  Speaker 6: of it, and then once the men we were cleared
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  Speaker 6: out of the distribution area, they were able to hand
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  Speaker 6: out that food to the women and children. It was
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  Speaker 6: actually really quite heartwarming to see that we are poor
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  Speaker 6: with the American staff and the local civilians. There was smiles,
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  Speaker 6: there was waving, They were really happy to see them.
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  Speaker 6: They were just delighted to be getting this food. And
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  Speaker 6: it couldn't have been further from the idea that the
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  Speaker 6: Israelis were just bringing people there to mow them downe.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an operation of course of the UN
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  Speaker 1: has condemned and refuses to cooperate with and Hamas has
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  Speaker 1: tried to stop Palestinians from actually using Andrew Fox. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much, indeed for your eyewitness account. Really appreciated.
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  Speaker 1: A wonderful essay. By the way, thank you so much. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's turn to Canberra. The Albanize government it's just sinking
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  Speaker 1: deeper into the financial mess that it's created and it's
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  Speaker 1: making us pay. It won the election after spending billions
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: on bribes like paying off student debts, and it's now
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  Speaker 1: desperate for more taxes. Big surprise, and more taxes is
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  Speaker 1: now on the agenda for a so called productivity summit
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  Speaker 1: in two weeks time. The talk of wealth tax or
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  Speaker 1: maybe a new five percent cash flow tax on business,
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  Speaker 1: lots of other proposals being floated for more money, No
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  Speaker 1: talk of just cutting spending instead, And the second sign
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  Speaker 1: of trouble the governor now ramping up spending on its
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  Speaker 1: disastrous green schemes, with the Productivity Commission today issuing a
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  Speaker 1: bizarre report warning that the government's drive to slash our emissions,
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  Speaker 1: that that zero is in strife, big surprise, and will
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  Speaker 1: cost even more than first thought, which I've warned about
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  Speaker 1: all along. Now I say this report is bizarre because
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  Speaker 1: nowhere in its eighty three pages there's a Productivity Commission
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  Speaker 1: tell us what getting to next zero is actually going
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  Speaker 1: to cost the country, And nowhere doesn't say what the
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  Speaker 1: gain is for all this, what all this spending will
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  Speaker 1: do to make the climate better, And no it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mention nuclear power. What a sad contrast to the report
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  Speaker 1: issued last week by five climate experts appointed by the
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  Speaker 1: US Department of Energy, who say that global warning is
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  Speaker 1: a problem. Yes, but predictions of temperature rise has been
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  Speaker 1: exaggerated by a lot, and any good from warming, like
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  Speaker 1: more crops, more plant growth, have been overlooked. And it
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  Speaker 1: concludes that models and experience suggests that the coman oxide
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  Speaker 1: induced warming may be less damaging economically than commonly believed,
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  Speaker 1: and excessively aggressive mitigation policies could prove more detrimental than beneficial.
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  Speaker 1: In short, and he gained from spending trillions to lower
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  Speaker 1: the temperature is not worth the pain, but our government
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  Speaker 1: won't even consider that. Joining me now as the panel
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  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President, Steve Conroy, former Labor
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  Speaker 1: senator and Cabinet minister Michael The Productivity Summit, it's now
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  Speaker 1: being called an economic roundtable because it's actually really more
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: about raising taxes and raising productivity. Business leaders say they
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: are worried. Are they right to be?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely right, but they've got themselves to the blame.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Quite frankly, Andrew, I mean, you know, I was around
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in the days when we had great employee leaders like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Ian McLaughlin and Andrew Hay Some of these Pool Haull
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: of Andrew Robb who the National Farmers Federation, who were
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: prepared to make enemies by arguing hard for their constituencies.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I'm afraid the Business Council of Australia, as I've said
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: over the years, don't have a lot of influence at all.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: They have very little influence in the Liberal Party these days,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and the business groups generally have been pretty insipid and
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: pretty weak, and they get trodden over and they'll be
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: trodden over again in a couple of weeks time. They
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: don't particularly have an agenda of their own. They get
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: drowned by these social causes that they want to get
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: involved with, and they're just not taken seriously as seriously
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: as the leaders were thirty years ago. So they'll be
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in for drubbing. And as you say, increased taxes must
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: be on the agenda because labor can't cut their spending
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and they seem to have no agenda whatsoever to slash
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: regulation in this country as a means of increasing productivity.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Andrew see you've it's all the talk and all the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: papers being presented or the a CTU that's got I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think four delegates going. Why has it all been about
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: raising taxes and nothing at all about cunning spending.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: Well, first of becass I growth almost everything. Michael just said.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: The business community in this country is sadly lost its way.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: It's got a bunch of Liberal Party hacks. They're identifiable
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Liberal Party hacks in charge of it's so it's not
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: it isn't taken seriously. Michael is completely right in terms
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: of the debate. I mean, it's there for them to
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: present their arguments if they want to advocate those things.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: Nobody is stopping them. And it's no surprise to the Act.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: You're putting a number of issues on the table. The
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: Productivity Commission, who you've just on one hand lorded, in
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: the other hand criticized, They've they've put their ideas on
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: the table. So nobody's stopping the business community putting its
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: ideas on the table. It's just that they're you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: they're silent and ineffective. Michael is absolutely right. They could
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: be championing their position. I wouldn't necessarily agree with them,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: but they're just almost silent.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Look, that's true, But I'm also talking about the you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the speakers selected by the government, et cetera, et cetera.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: The biases all towards this, and I don't know why
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the government is an interested in cutting spending as well
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: ideas on that. Meanwhile, the government is cutting, doubling down
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Michael on its net zero crusade, despite that report by
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: top climate experts in the US warning the pain may
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: not be worth the gain. But you've got liberal leaders
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: as at least, she still doesn't dare say that the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: net zero crusade is crazy, even though she did today
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: worry about the costs.
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: This year is the share cost of building the renewable
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: energy infrastructure is skyrocketing.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: When labor talks, you pay. When labor talks, you pay.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I think she lacks a little punched through there, a
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: little cut through. That's just sloganeering. But how dangerous is
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the governance that zero push really? Michael? And should the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: liberals be tougher and say, look, net zero is a problem.
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: No.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I think Susan is absolutely right. Remember this, Andrew, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: this has been written about in the Australia today. Most
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: people support net zero as an objective. The problem is,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: as you've pointed out, no one has the foggiest idea
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: of how much it's going to cost. So the challenge
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: for the opposition federally is to produce the cost of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: net zero and once they do that, sooner or later,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the country will come to know this generation of Australians
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: as the selfish generation who spent unbridled amounts, unlimited amounts
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of money, massively indebted the nation. I mean debt is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a percentage of GDP goes from thirty four to thirty
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: seven percent over the next four years, increases three hundre billion,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: including the sixteen billion for student debt relief which we've borrowed.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: This generation will be known as the selfish generation who's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: spent like drunken sailors and indebted our children and our grandchildren.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And no one seemed to be worried about debt. Trump's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not worried about debt, Britain's not worried about debt. Australia
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: should take the lead and be worried about debt because
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: it will impoverish future generations. That's the challenge for the opposition.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So I think Susan Lee is absolutely right when she says,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you know, labor increases spending, you'll end up paying. May
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: not be us because we just keep spending like drunken sailors,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: but our children and their children will suffer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Andrew, it's Stephen, what do you think about this zero
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: crusade of the government's doubling down on something that looks
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: almost impossible. Now everyone's warning you're behind, You're behind. It's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: just throwing more money at it. We've seen all those
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: green hydrogen programs. It's been, you know, supporting collapse. Do
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you think that perhaps it's time that labor had to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: think about whether the pain is worth the game, that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it told us the costs and it told us the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: benefit of what it's trying to do.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Look, I mean, I think you've made some interesting points, Andrew,
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: and the report from the US I could take more
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: seriously if they weren't all Donald Trump style appointees, which
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: unfortunately the.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: US people no one want for the Obama and I
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: want to keep their job.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, no one who wants to keep their job
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: in the US knows now knows. You know, if you're
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: the weather guys who said Trump made up the where
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: the hurricane is going, you sacked if you produce labor
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: labor statistics that disagree with the presidents ay by the government,
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: So I would take them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think any are by the government's serious point.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That's a homin and attacks on reputable scientists. Can you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: just ask us the question, answer the question, do you
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: think labor should to Michaels your crusade?
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: Well, yes, it's running behind because the opposition have found
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: clever ways to use environmental laws to stop the roll
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: out of the grid, no question. That is a correct statement.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: So cost go up if it takes longer, no question,
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: very clever tactics. But it's impossible to take Susan Leigh
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: and frankly what Michael was just saying, seriously, debt, you
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: were offering this training public to build nuclear reactors on
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: the public netburpose of up to six hundred billion dollars.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It is impossible to just not answering the question. You
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: do possible attacking the liberals instead. I asked you about labor,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you end up talking about the liberals.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Well, I said, that's running behind, Michael Stephen, I said,
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: it was running behind Conroy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I know, But I asked you whether they
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: should reconsider it, and you just attack the liberals instead.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Michael Kroger Stephen many thanks for your time. After the break,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Please charge a Chinese woman here with foreign interference to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Chinese communists. I am shocked because then the Prime Minister
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: say that China was now our friend, a nae thing
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of the disgraceful anti Israel protests yesterday. This is what
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the Albaneza governments helped to unleash with its own attacks
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on Israel. And now the government's actually considering effectively rewarding
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a mass by recognizing a Palestinian state, even though half
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that state, Gaza, is run by terrorists AMAS, and the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: other half, the West Bank, is run by extremists who
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: haven't held an election in twenty years. The Prime Minister
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: has asked about that just today gave no serious answer.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: A mass are a terrorist organization, they should have no
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: role to play in a future Palestinian state.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Or very well, Prime Minister, but who's going to stop
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a mass from controlling Gaza when you recognize it shooting
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: its opponents there? If Israel isn't allowed to fight a
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: muss which soldiers will be sent to force them out?
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Ours joining me is the country's top foreign affairs writer,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan of the Australian newspaper. Greg, great to see you, look,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: as you've written in the Australian Palacinians have been offered
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: their own state four times by Israel. Their leaders have
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: turned them down each time, basically because they want Israel
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: as well. They just want their country, They want Israel.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So I offer it again now.
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, it's great to be with you and welcome back.
• 29:38
  Speaker 10: The nation has pined, and you know it's been unhappy
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: in your absence. Don't go away again. You've had enough holidays.
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: Now for the next ten years, just forget all value
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: with you everywhere. Look this business of the Palestinian state,
• 29:57
  Speaker 10: absolutely right. It is both a brd and morally repugnant.
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: The Soviet Bloc recognized a Palestinian state way back in
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: something like the nineteen eighties or the nineteen nineties, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: guess what, no Palestinian state has come about. So that
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: demonstrates the proposition that merely recognizing a Palestinian state won't
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: produce one. But it's also morally absurd or morally offensive
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: for two reasons. One is it clearly rewards Hummas. Hummas
• 30:27
  Speaker 10: would regard this as a very successful operation. Now true,
• 30:31
  Speaker 10: tens of thousands of Gazans have died, but Hummas is
• 30:34
  Speaker 10: quite happy about that. It has isolated Israel more effectively
• 30:38
  Speaker 10: than any previous Palestinian movement has, and it has separated
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: Israel's traditional allies like Britain and Australia from Israel, so
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: it would be as happy as Larry now. I think
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: Netnyahu has pursued poor policies in Gaza, morally poor as
• 30:56
  Speaker 10: well as politically poor, but recognizing a Palestinian state rewards hummus.
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: And then finally, it's also morally absurd because a state
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: is recognized when it comes into being. The reason the
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: Palestinians have rejected a state on four occasions is because
• 31:19
  Speaker 10: they or the mechanism by which they rejected it was
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: to make completely unreasonable demands. So, for example, the right
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: of return, which is that every descendant or relative of
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: any Arab whoever lived in Greater Israel, Gaza or the
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: West Bank has the right to live in Israel proper.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: That's millions and millions of people. The Palestinians make that
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: demand knowing that no Israeli government from the far left
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: to the right or anywhere else could ever countenance such
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: a proposition. They do that because they don't want to
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: face up to what having their own state would mean.
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: It would mean an end of claims on Israel. It
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: would mean an end of hostility on Israel. It would
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: mean the end of anti Semitism in their official teaching.
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: It would almost certainly mean that whoever made that peace
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: agreement would get assassinated by the Islamist extremists whom they've cultivated.
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: It would mean that they would become the enemies of
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: Iran and the other sponsors of Palestinian terrorism. So they
• 32:19
  Speaker 10: are much happier just to have this go on forever
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: and ever and ever, in the hope that one day
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: they will demoralize Israel. A lot of Israelis will go
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: and leave overseas. They'll have a superior birth rate the Palestinians,
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: and they'll eventually outnumber the Israelis and so on. So
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: one way that you get to peace in a situation
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: like that is to have decades of normalization. You convince
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: the recalcitrant side that merely constant refusal won't get them anywhere,
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: like you've had in Northern Ireland. Decades of normalization will
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: lead to peace. You don't get there by these grand gestures,
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: and they are morally obtuse. We've got a war raging
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: in the only reason I.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Think Hamas would agree now to the Palestian state who
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: are rejected, well, the only reason in a degree now
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to a palace Inian state that is rejected before, because
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: that would allow them to survive this war and stay
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in control of Gaza. I mean, the whole thing is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: so preposterous. Just quickly today, the Australian Federal Police announced
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: that it arrested a Chinese woman for alleged foreign interference
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party's Public Security Bureau.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Here's the police.
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: The AFP has alleged the woman, who was also an
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: Australian permanent resident, was tasked by China's Public Security Bureau
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: to covertly gather information about the Canberra branch of the
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: Guan yin Sta, a Buddhist association. We allege the activity
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: what's a support intelligence objectives of the China's Public Security Bureau.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: This is the first time the AFP has charged a
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: person with foreign interference that allegedly involves targeting members of
• 34:02
  Speaker 11: the Australian community.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: The AFP says more arrests are expected and it's warned
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: against foreign actors trying to intimidate and potentially repatriate members
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of our diaspora communities repatriot back to China.
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: To take that to me, how serious is this? Very serious?
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: Andrew three quick points. It shows how absurd Twiggy Forest
• 34:24
  Speaker 10: was to claim that we have no reason to be
• 34:27
  Speaker 10: suspicious of Hijinping's China. It is a good development in
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: a way in that it shows the organs of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: Australian state protecting ethnic Chinese Australians from the Chinese state.
• 34:40
  Speaker 10: That's a very good thing. And it confirms what everybody
• 34:43
  Speaker 10: who follows intelligence matters knows that the main state which
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: seeks espionage, cyber attack, foreign interference within Australia is the
• 34:52
  Speaker 10: People's Republic of China. And the Albanesi government won't any
• 34:56
  Speaker 10: longer talk honestly to the Australian people about this subject.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Strange actions from somewhere from a country that Albanize. Recently
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: on radio called a friend, Greg Sheridan, thank you for
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: your time. After the break of Gens company pulls a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: controversial ad with Sidney Sweeney that's been called racist. But
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: now Donald Trump weighs in. Now even Donald Trump is
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: brought into a ludicrous so called scandal in the left's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: race war. It all started an actress Sydney Sweeney shot
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this ad for American Eagle jeans, playing on the word jeans.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Genes with the J and jeans with the.
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: G jeans are passed on from parents to aspring, often
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: determining treats like her color, personality, and even eye color.
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: My gens are blue.
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: Sidney's tweeny Taspbury Keynes.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Now a pretty white actress. Playing games of the word
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: jeans has caused an in the brains of some of
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: the left, who have accused Sweeney and American Eagle of racism, eugenics,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: white supremacism, even being Nazis are some grifter influences of
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: color immediately claimed they were victims. It's just so bleeding.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: I keep thinking that people just are not gonna believe
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: us until we're hung out there.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: American Eagle has now removed this ad from social media
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and replaced with a safer one that doesn't joke about
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: jeans with the G. But now here comes President Trump,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: thrilled to hear the latest attack on Sweeney that she's
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a Republican. If Sydney Sweeney is a registered Republican, I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: think her head is fantastic.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, thank you very much.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody joined me is Lisa Godard for the Foreign Correspondent,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: founder of Adoni Media, and Sidney Trevoura, an author and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: senior lecturer in history, A champion College Stephen American Egles
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: now pulled his ad from social media accounts. Is that
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: in admission it was racist? No, not at all.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: They were just being bullied and as usual in these
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: sorts of companies, you have cowards often running them, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: they just took the path of least resistance. Having said that,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the very fact that the ad went to wear in
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: the first place is a sign of a shift that's
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: taking place, and Trump's victory in twenty twenty four has
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: created a permission structure for a lot of people to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: push back against woke. When you go to the White
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: House website, there is a whole page saying cuts to
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: woke programs and they detail six billion dollars of cuts
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to programs DEI in education racist grants that they are
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: chopping completely. America is changing. Peak woke has happened. The
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: fact that this ad went to wear in the first
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: place is significant, and we're going to see a lot
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: more pushback against woke and a lot of it has
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to do with the fact that Trump is in the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: White House now and not Carmala Harris.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Lisa, do you think the Sydney Sweeney ad, in fact,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: should have played around with saying that she's got good genes?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: As in ge n Ees.
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: It says the left can't appreciate good wordplays. What I
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: suggest here, basically, I was very happy. At least we're
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: seeing the left actually saying she's an actress and they're
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: identifying her as a woman. So I think, hey, there's
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: wins there for us on that side. And imagine what
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: has happened here. Some very well paid marketing people have
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: sat around a boardroom table and thought, how can we
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: gain worldwide attention with this ad?
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: What can we do? Let's press this hot button, let's
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: do this wordplay. They'll jump on it. And of course
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: they've done that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: They've made up of sixty five million dollars in media
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: coverage and there's over four million hits on the website.
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: From a marketing perspective, this is sheer genius.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Oh and they've sold a bunch of jeans on on
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the back of it. I mean, this is one controversy
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you should welcome it's just a surprise. They pulled the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: initial ad. Anyway tomorrow dentity politics another ridiculous war, this
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: time right here. Last August, Stephen, the Federal Court judge
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: made an astonishing decision. You can change sex, you can
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: take some drugs, have some bits of your body cut off,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: and then a man can really be a woman. But
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: he said that meant a female only networking app called Giggle,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: meant to be a safe space just for natural women,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: had broken the law by telling a transgender active it's
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: called roxand Tickle. She couldn't join up. Now, sal Grove,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the woman running the Giggle site, it's been closed. Now
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: today's start to appeal against that decision in the High Court.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: How important is this case.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: This is a very important case because it has to
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: do with what is real and what is not. In
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the UK, their Supreme Court recently defined woman as used
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: in the Equality Act as biological sex. So a woman
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: is biological is a biological category, not a made up
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: category called gender, which can be anything any wants it
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: to be. Now, this is important because this has to
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: do with the well being and the rights of women,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: girls to be able to access girls women's only bathrooms,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and toilets, also girls to play on sports teams. This
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: goes a long way, and it has to be said
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: that the trans movement is a very political movement, and
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: it is an ideological movement that is out to undo
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: real reality what a man is, what a woman is,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and it is a movement that is ultimately an abyss
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of delusion. And I would also say misogyny because it
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: is going to totally erase the category of women from society.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what's happening. This is a very important case, Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of it? I mean I find
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  Speaker 1: a defensive that the court is actually, you know, justing
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  Speaker 1: on things. She's got a role. May think it's got
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  Speaker 1: a role in saying who you can associate with in
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  Speaker 1: a voluntary club. I mean, it's weird. What do you
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  Speaker 1: make of it?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think it's wrong.
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  Speaker 12: You've got one woman here who is trying to do
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  Speaker 12: the right thing and trying to create a space, a
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  Speaker 12: safe space for women, and now she's out there a
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  Speaker 12: million dollars and she's raising all of that money for
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  Speaker 12: this next fight.
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  Speaker 9: All through crowdfunding.
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  Speaker 12: The other side, it's all being done pro bono, so
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  Speaker 12: sel Gravor I heard her the other week saying it's
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  Speaker 12: just about broken her. Like she's been put through financial hell,
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  Speaker 12: she's been put through legal hell now and it's going
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  Speaker 12: to come down to the highest court in this country
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  Speaker 12: to finally make a decision around really what is a
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  Speaker 12: woman so that people like me and my daughter and
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  Speaker 12: all of the other females in this country can feel
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  Speaker 12: safe going into all of those places that Stephen just described.
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  Speaker 9: But to the fact that you've got one.
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  Speaker 12: Woman now having to shoulder this fight, when, like Stephen said,
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  Speaker 12: in the UK, they've already made that decision. And what
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  Speaker 12: really makes me upset is the Labor government could with
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  Speaker 12: the stroke of a pen, introduce legislation where they can
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  Speaker 12: again recognize the biological definition of a man and a woman,
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  Speaker 12: and Sol Grover would not be going through this.
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  Speaker 1: Look you make a good point there. Look sorry to
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  Speaker 1: this evening's sessions a bit short. More time next week,
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Trevera and Lisa god To thank you very much
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  Speaker 1: to you both. After the break, A new book accuses
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  Speaker 1: Prince Harry a punching Prince Andrew on the nose Prince
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  Speaker 1: Harry in another scandal. The book is dishing the dirt
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  Speaker 1: on him like he's been dishing on others, so he
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  Speaker 1: can hardly complain this time. Andrew Lowney has a historian,
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  Speaker 1: very noted royal biographer. He's written a book entitled The
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  Speaker 1: Right called entitled The Rise and Fall of the House
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  Speaker 1: of York is about the disgrace Prince Andrew and In it,
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  Speaker 1: he claims that Prince Andrew told Harry his marriage to
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  Speaker 1: Mega Markel would not last more than a month and
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  Speaker 1: Mark was just an opportunity. He should have checked that
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  Speaker 1: background better. But more explosives that this book claims that
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  Speaker 1: Harry allegedly called Andrew a coward for saying something behind
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  Speaker 1: his back and punched him in the nose. Join Me
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  Speaker 1: from London is writer, broadcast and commentator. It's crack. It's
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  Speaker 1: so great to see you again. Harry and Andrew have
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  Speaker 1: both denied the story. Does that mean it's untrue?
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't mean that it's untrue, but it doesn't also
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  Speaker 8: necessarily mean that it's true. We really don't know what
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  Speaker 8: to believe. I mean often we often rely on royal
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  Speaker 8: biographers and historians to tell us what really goes on
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  Speaker 8: behind the scenes in the royal household. We know that
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  Speaker 8: Prince Andrew and print har are two of the most
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  Speaker 8: popular members of the royal family, and I will not
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  Speaker 8: be surprised if some of the claims made by Prince
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  Speaker 8: Andrew about his suspicions regarding Meganmarkle turned out to be true.
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  Speaker 8: We do know rather infamously that King Charles said that
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  Speaker 8: Prince Harry was cat whipped over Megan Markele, and this
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  Speaker 8: is something that many royal biographers and many royal journalists
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  Speaker 8: have actually confirmed. So we do know that there was
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  Speaker 8: a sense within the royal family, at least consistently from
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  Speaker 8: William to the King to I suspect now Prince Andrew,
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  Speaker 8: that they were quite unsure about Meghan and her motivations,
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  Speaker 8: especially because their courtship was rather short in the grand
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  Speaker 8: scheme of things. I mean, William dated Catherine for ten
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  Speaker 8: years to make sure that she was a right foot
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  Speaker 8: and that she was actually a good fit for the
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  Speaker 8: lifestyle that she was going to be into. But it
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  Speaker 8: didn't seem to be the case with Meghan, which many
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  Speaker 8: have suspected was the reason behind Mexet and her unhappiness
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  Speaker 8: and her lack of feeling like she was supported. So again,
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  Speaker 8: we don't really know anyway.
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  Speaker 1: To know this.
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  Speaker 8: We know that these kinds of books sell regardless of
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  Speaker 8: whether they're truth or fiction. But what we do know
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  Speaker 8: is we've been hearing quite consistent reports about many male
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  Speaker 8: members of the royal family's feelings about Harry and Meghan's relationship,
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  Speaker 8: their courtship, and their speed with which they decided to
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  Speaker 8: go down the Aisland enter the firm as working royals.
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  Speaker 1: I got to say, though, Andrew Lawney, judging by his
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  Speaker 1: book on the Duke of Windsor and it's Nazi leanings,
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  Speaker 1: is a very good researcher, so I'll look forward to
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  Speaker 1: what he says when I talked to him later this week.
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  Speaker 1: It's there an extraordinary story in the Daily Telegraph that
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  Speaker 1: the British government, its Technology secretary, is flagged videos with
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  Speaker 1: supposedly concerning narratives, at least that's what they claim about
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  Speaker 1: illegal immigrants. It's dubbed them into social media giants, including TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: warning that these videos or allegedly exacerbating tensions on the streets.
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  Speaker 1: What's this about secret censorship again?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's even worse than you think. And to
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  Speaker 8: butcher us what you've just mentioned. The Home Office now
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  Speaker 8: has set up a new task force to look up
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  Speaker 8: anti migrant sentiment online that they fear could be sparing
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  Speaker 8: the kinds of protests that we're seeing, which first started
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  Speaker 8: outside the Epping hotel where it was discovered that two
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: asylum seeking men has sexually assaulted a young girl, and
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  Speaker 8: this is basically proliferated across the country. You have swords
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  Speaker 8: of the thirty thousand, predominantly male, young asylum seekers that
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  Speaker 8: have basically been shipped into communities, into neighborhoods are either
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  Speaker 8: living in hotels or or competing with limited housing stock
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  Speaker 8: because the government is basically renting out housing for these
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  Speaker 8: asylums and offering landlords are higher or above market rates,
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  Speaker 8: so basically they're not incentivized to rent to anyone but
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  Speaker 8: the government who are trying to house these migrants or
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  Speaker 8: asylum seekers. And to make matters worse, now it seems
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  Speaker 8: that you can't complain about it because if you protest,
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  Speaker 8: which is your actual right to do in britainy still
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  Speaker 8: have free speech. You may forfile of the free speech
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  Speaker 8: czars online that are being empowered by the Home Office
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  Speaker 8: because they don't want people to make sure of their
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  Speaker 8: dissatisfaction of having strange men either from god knows where,
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  Speaker 8: either outside of the kids' schools or in parks, or
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  Speaker 8: in some horrible scenarios which we're seeing being charged with
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  Speaker 8: attempting to abduct ten year old children. I mean, this
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  Speaker 8: is the nature of what we're seeing. I'm not even exaggerating.
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  Speaker 8: You cannot complain if you don't want strange men, from
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  Speaker 8: strange unvetted men predominantly living in hotels or taking up
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  Speaker 8: private housing stock because the government can't get a group
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  Speaker 8: of the asylum system, and these small boats crossing the channel.
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  Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary to me. So, I mean, if Britain's
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  Speaker 1: had been told, look, the price of accepting more and
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  Speaker 1: more illegal immigrants, what is it now, twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 1: this year alone so far? Is that Britain's lose their
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: free speech. What do you think Britain's would say to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that potential deal, if they'd been asked.
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  Speaker 8: It would feel like a dystopian novel. I mean, Kirstarmer's
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: whole election pledged for last summer when he won election
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  Speaker 8: was He's going to smash the gangs. So far, the
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  Speaker 8: gang seemed to be.
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  Speaker 1: Doing better than ever.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if he was being cheeky when he
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  Speaker 8: meant smashed the gangs, he meant something a bit more inappropriate, because,
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  Speaker 8: so far as I'm concerned, the gang seemed to be
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  Speaker 8: his best friend. Because the only people that seem to
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: be benefiting, I mean, the average runded revenue for many
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: of these people smuggling gangs is estimated to be over
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  Speaker 8: a million pounds a month, so they don't seem to
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: be doing two badly for themselves. And the crisis seems
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  Speaker 8: to be worsening, and people are being basically bullied to
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  Speaker 8: be silent because we're now seeing police, instead of solving
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  Speaker 8: crimes like burglaries, are turning up people's houses to ask
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: them why they tweeted things. I mean, in the most
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: extreme case of Lucy Connolly, she's serving thirty one months
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  Speaker 8: for a tweet she deleted about half an hour later.
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  Speaker 8: So it really is a disturbing nightmare come to life.
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  Speaker 1: Look, the whole thing is really weird esther, and it
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  Speaker 1: seems to me that it would have been easier had
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  Speaker 1: the government simply stopped the legal immigrants coming into Britain
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  Speaker 1: in the first place. I mean, how hard is it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a giant moat I thought that could be
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  Speaker 1: of some use to the country. But there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Esther Cracker. Always great to talk to you. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for your time. Well that's it for me,
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  Speaker 1: the first show back, so thank you very much for
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: your company. Coming up next is Sherry Markson for me.
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  Speaker 1: Good night,