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All Summer Long Conversations With The Beach Boys From Surfin To Smile From David Beard · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: you're so close to the story as it is, and
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  Speaker 1: yet there are many times in the story you're going,
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  Speaker 1: I had something today that happened. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: know about it. How do you develop that personality as
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  Speaker 1: a storyteller?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think familiarity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really, you know, becoming so, well, two things
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  Speaker 3: in this particular case is, one, it's become, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it just starts with a genuine love of music.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know, being able to get to know
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  Speaker 2: these guys over a course of 32.
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  Speaker 3: Years, it just ends up being something that you're so
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  Speaker 3: familiar with that.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of communicating to the reader what it's like
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  Speaker 2: to communicate, A, that you always hear kind of the phrase,
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  Speaker 2: they're human, they put their pants on. If you're talking
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  Speaker 2: about somebody who's really well-known or something, they put their
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  Speaker 2: pants on one leg at a time.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's more about really.
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  Speaker 2: As well as I.
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  Speaker 3: Was comfortable sitting with them, even if it was by
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  Speaker 3: phone or actually sitting in the room with them or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was or doing a Zoom, that the idea
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  Speaker 3: of I wanted the reader to be able.
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  Speaker 2: To experience just kind of.
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  Speaker 3: The warmth and just the general sitting with them just
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  Speaker 3: like you would with a buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Just sitting down and conversing about something in a way that.
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  Speaker 3: That everybody can relate to because everyone is sent with
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  Speaker 3: a friend.
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  Speaker 1: Is it weird, though, that so many generations know who
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  Speaker 1: the Beach Boys are? I mean, when I first discovered them, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I must have been a preteen, and they're still with
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  Speaker 1: me today. Do they know that in 50 to 100 years,
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  Speaker 1: we're still going to be talking about the Beach Boys?
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  Speaker 1: Or does that even cross their mind? It's one of
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  Speaker 1: those things where it's like, don't even bring it up.
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  Speaker 1: We know it. There's no reason to harp on it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I, I think that's, I think that's something that
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  Speaker 3: has finally settled in with them. Uh, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: at what point genuine, I, you know, if you go
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  Speaker 3: back and before I ever even met them, I, I
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  Speaker 3: saw interviews that you can watch on YouTube or whatever, where,
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's their 20th anniversary where it's 1981 or, uh,
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  Speaker 3: their 1986 when they went to Hawaii and did the
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  Speaker 3: special cause it was their 25th anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of through the years and these interviews
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  Speaker 2: that they go, you know, we didn't really think that
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  Speaker 2: we'd be talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: Once you get, once you get to that point where
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  Speaker 3: it's like the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, more recently it's the 60th anniversary of Pet Sounds.
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  Speaker 3: But once you hit these 50, um, I think it
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  Speaker 3: kind of dawned on all of them when they did
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  Speaker 3: the 2012 reunion tour that this was something that was
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  Speaker 3: enduring and just wasn't going away. And they decided, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to get back together and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do a tour for the fans because there's a demand
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  Speaker 3: for it. The people want to see us. They want
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  Speaker 3: us to.
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  Speaker 2: Perform our music together. They want us to be together.
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  Speaker 3: And and so, you know, when you get to 2015,
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  Speaker 3: 2016 and you have the 50th anniversaries of all these pinnacle,
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  Speaker 3: you know, really significant musical releases that that really did
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  Speaker 3: change everything in the music industry. I mean, that's what's
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  Speaker 3: amazing is they did what they did better than anybody else. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that the Beatles only tried to do
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  Speaker 2: a Beach Boy thing once, and they did it back
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  Speaker 2: in the USSR.
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  Speaker 3: But not even the Beatles, they would be influenced, and
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  Speaker 3: you would hear the effects.
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  Speaker 2: Of Pet Sounds on.
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  Speaker 3: Revolver when Paul recorded Here, There, and Everywhere, where he
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  Speaker 3: was trying to kind of emulate that harmonic blend and
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  Speaker 3: that wistful.
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  Speaker 2: Execution.
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  Speaker 3: So it's interesting that– but Brian, I think it took
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  Speaker 3: Brian a long time. I think the other guys were
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  Speaker 3: more in tune with our music means something. We've really
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  Speaker 3: created something special here. I think it took Brian longer
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  Speaker 3: to really understand that because– When you go back to
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  Speaker 3: the 60s and you get to 1968 when he releases
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  Speaker 3: the Friends album and it's not well-received, or Smiley Smile
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  Speaker 3: instead of Smile and it's not well-received, he begins to
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  Speaker 3: question whether or not what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that matters to him was music.
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  Speaker 3: So if his music isn't being received well, and of
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  Speaker 3: course that's subjectively.
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  Speaker 2: received.
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  Speaker 3: By how well something does on the music chart, not
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  Speaker 3: versus is this really good music or not, but the chart.
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  Speaker 3: So then he begins to measure himself as a man.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think, you know, the Friends album was
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  Speaker 3: a very important album to him. Love You was a
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  Speaker 3: very important album to him. And those are not like
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  Speaker 3: accessible chart-topping records. So, you know, when you go through that,
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  Speaker 3: Part of your mind is kind of in this thought
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  Speaker 3: process of I'm not appreciated. And so later on in life,
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  Speaker 3: when David Leaf finally does the Radio City musical event
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  Speaker 3: for Brian, that was on, I think, TNT. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have all these incredible guest stars, the Billy Joel,
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  Speaker 3: the Paul Simon, the Elton John, you know, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just incredible. And that's when he, from what I understand
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  Speaker 3: from David Leaf, is that's when Brian finally figured out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, really finally understood.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, look at all these people.
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  Speaker 3: Who showed up for me who are playing my on
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  Speaker 3: stage and kind of turn the corner for him where
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  Speaker 3: he finally got it. And that's brilliant. wild to me
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  Speaker 3: that the guy who created Pet Sounds and changed the
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  Speaker 3: industry would question anything at any given time and not
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  Speaker 3: really realize how important his work is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I always thought that John Lennon was so heavily
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  Speaker 1: inspired and taken over by Pet Sounds that he expected
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  Speaker 1: that to be what Yoko Ono was going to explore
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  Speaker 1: with all the different things that she would do inside
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  Speaker 1: that studio. And every time that I've heard those old recordings,
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  Speaker 1: I go, that's just, that's Brian. They're copying Brian. That's
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  Speaker 1: Pet Sounds. And, and I just felt like the Beatles
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  Speaker 1: knew who they were and they did everything to try
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  Speaker 1: to emulate them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I, well, it was, it was, it's just one
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  Speaker 3: of those inescapable beauties about the time, that time of
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  Speaker 3: music where.
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  Speaker 2: Gary Griffin, who's.
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  Speaker 3: Been in Brian's band, the Beach Boys band, the Jan
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  Speaker 3: and Dean band currently touring with Al. I was out
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  Speaker 3: at his studio and, In California, he's in Ohio now,
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  Speaker 3: but at the time, we were working on a project together,
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  Speaker 3: and I told him at some point we were talking.
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  Speaker 3: I said, you know, I was born in 65, and
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  Speaker 3: he said, 65?
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  Speaker 2: He goes, bearded. He couldn't call me bearded. He goes, bearded,
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  Speaker 2: I have to show you something.
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  Speaker 3: So he walked me over to his 45 collection that
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  Speaker 3: he had in an adjoining room with picture sleeves of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff. And he immediately took out
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  Speaker 3: like a paperback writer picture sleeve. And he was telling me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it was just the most amazing time in
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  Speaker 3: music where every day when you went to sleep at night,
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  Speaker 3: you knew the next day when you woke up and
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  Speaker 3: turned on the radio, you were going to hear something
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  Speaker 3: better than the day before.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. No, I give you that. I
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  Speaker 1: give you, Hey, speaking of better than the day before
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  Speaker 1: you were probably there when they played the amp. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, I think that in my heart, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really believe in the bowl or the amp right there
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  Speaker 1: in Ballantyne. And I know people around the world are
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  Speaker 1: not going to understand what we're talking about. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to make this really super local. What was it
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  Speaker 1: like for them to be at the amp? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I do believe that is that, that to me is, was,
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  Speaker 1: is a real community driven place to have live music,
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  Speaker 1: but the damn beach boys were there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they definitely had a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Mike was just coming off of a surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he was just not... You could tell
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  Speaker 2: he was a little tender, shall we say. So he
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  Speaker 2: was kind of... But that was backstage, and it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: the joy that I've watched and I, it's certainly, that
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  Speaker 3: was true when they were at the amp, when he
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  Speaker 3: takes the stage and that, that trade-off of the music
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  Speaker 3: being performed, the audience receiving it and the audience kind
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  Speaker 3: of in it, you know, there's, it's not that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've always been fascinated by the, the marriage between the
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  Speaker 3: audience and the performer and the, and it's truly what
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  Speaker 3: is a concert because you're in concert with the, the
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  Speaker 3: audience is in concert with the performer and the performer
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  Speaker 3: is in concert with the audience. And, um, that is
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  Speaker 3: when he just immediately comes alive. He's, he's like, there's
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  Speaker 3: another button that goes off and you can see it.
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  Speaker 2: Um, joy just resonates on, you know, on his face.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and, and, And it was interesting because Stamos was there. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when Stamos walks out on the stage and
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  Speaker 3: the wind was blowing through his hair, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I think his hair is more popular than he is.
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  Speaker 2: But he comes, he came.
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  Speaker 3: On stage and, you know, and all the women, you know,
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  Speaker 3: out there lit right up.
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  Speaker 2: And so it just, it really, the evening. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: was funny. I didn't even know the amp was there.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Wow. And so when I saw that
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  Speaker 2: they were coming there, I was like, what? There's a
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  Speaker 2: stage in Ballantyne?
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  Speaker 3: What? And it really is a nice, intimate outdoor venue.
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  Speaker 3: It really has a really good vibe and energy to it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So now, I laugh like a child, though, when
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  Speaker 1: you openly spoke about Jan and Dean and the way
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  Speaker 1: of being on skateboards. Why, of my entire, entire life here,
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  Speaker 1: have I never even thought about Jan and Dean being
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  Speaker 1: on skateboards? But yet, I could see it. And that's
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  Speaker 1: kudos to your writing. And Steve Binder, and to be
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  Speaker 1: able to share that story, because... Once again, that's material
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  Speaker 1: that I could use as a jock on the air.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I love about what you do here.
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  Speaker 1: You do it in a way that it's like I
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  Speaker 1: can get some– well, it's like you were saying with
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  Speaker 1: the Beatles. Every day is going to be a new day.
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  Speaker 1: With this book, every page is a new way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks. As you know, it was– I was talking
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  Speaker 2: about 50th anniversary. Yeah. Kind of after they did that
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  Speaker 2: reunion tour, I.
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  Speaker 3: Started, you know, that's 2012 going into 2013. And that
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  Speaker 3: was like everything was 50th anniversary. I'd look back and go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's the 50th anniversary of their Surfing USA album. And
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  Speaker 3: that's in 2013, 1963. And it was kind of forward, forward, forward.
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  Speaker 3: So when I got to 2014, I started looking at, OK,
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  Speaker 3: so what happened in 1964?
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  Speaker 2: And I got I just looked at the Tammy show.
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  Speaker 3: And around that same time it had come out on
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  Speaker 3: Blu-ray with bonus with with like director's commentary and stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I just was like, oh, what a what a
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  Speaker 2: great time to kind of cover this. And Steve was
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  Speaker 2: available and and talking.
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  Speaker 3: So it was great to talk to the director and
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  Speaker 3: to talk to those who, you know, the performers. And
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  Speaker 3: and it's funny because when you think about something. Like
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  Speaker 3: when I watched that film, it's the most– for my money,
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  Speaker 3: one of the most important historical musical films ever because
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  Speaker 3: of who's in it. And then in our mind's eye,
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  Speaker 3: before we ask questions, this is what's so.
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  Speaker 2: Funny to me. I'm thinking, oh– man, the Beach Boys
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  Speaker 2: must have just thought it was so.
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  Speaker 3: Cool to watch James Brown or Marvin Gaye or.
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  Speaker 2: You know, whoever was on the bill.
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  Speaker 3: And it's funny when you, then I'm talking to Al
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  Speaker 3: Jardine and he says, I didn't get to see anybody.
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  Speaker 2: They had me in the, they had us sequestered in
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  Speaker 2: our room backstage.
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  Speaker 3: So it's those little types of things where we imagine
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  Speaker 3: something a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: And then when we're, Then when.
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  Speaker 3: We have the perspective of the individuals, in some cases,
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  Speaker 3: we do know historically that the Rolling Stones were the
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  Speaker 3: last act, and they did watch James Brown from the
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  Speaker 3: side of the wings, and then they didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: go on. But then we also know that's a great
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  Speaker 3: informed music and music history because of them observing James Brown,
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  Speaker 3: Mick Jagger would go on to establish and work on
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  Speaker 3: his stage routines. And it was really rooted off of
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  Speaker 3: what he observed in James Brown. So, um, those are,
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  Speaker 3: those are really interesting moments. And I love the, just
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  Speaker 3: that whole thing is just so historical. Terry Gardner, the
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  Speaker 3: actress is a go-go dancer. I mean, so it's just,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, I love that stuff. But again, just these
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  Speaker 3: little morsels of, uh, information that kind of round out
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  Speaker 3: this really great, big, um, you know, something in.
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  Speaker 2: Music history that will never happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And, and that's why it's so, that's why I'm, I'm
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  Speaker 3: so glad that I got to speak to all these
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  Speaker 3: different people to kind of help, uh, pull it together
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  Speaker 3: and collect it and curate it in such a way that, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's in one spot and similar to what
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  Speaker 3: you've said, I've had other people tell me Man, I really.
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  Speaker 2: Wish this book had existed when I discovered the Beach Boys.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. We'll be right back with music
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  Speaker 1: historian David Beard. The name of the book, All Summer Long.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to be blown away by the Beach Boys,
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  Speaker 1: Jan and Dean, and so much more. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with music historian David Beard. You even given us the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity about what it's like to be in the studio
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  Speaker 1: with them. And one of them was to create the organ,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys ended up using water bottles. And I thought,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: my God, you will never just go onto Google and
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  Speaker 1: go searching for something like this. You have to trip
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  Speaker 1: across it in a book and go, for the love
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  Speaker 1: of God, no wonder I love this band.
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  Speaker 2: They were, you know, that's really their.
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  Speaker 3: At times, that's what I love about the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's so interesting when you listen to something and what
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  Speaker 3: you kind of pick up just by your ear. But
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  Speaker 3: then when you understand the level of the ambition that
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  Speaker 3: went with their natural love for music and inventiveness, right?
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  Speaker 2: So you have ambition to do something, but having an idea.
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  Speaker 3: About what you want to do And then, and this
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  Speaker 3: is what, what, why Brian Wilson was so brilliant, uh,
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  Speaker 3: was that he, he knew he had ideas about what
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  Speaker 3: he wanted to do, but then he was, he was
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  Speaker 3: fortune favored him in such a way that he had
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  Speaker 3: access to what he needed.
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  Speaker 2: Like you were talking about Jan and Dean doing sidewalk surfing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they didn't have, um, So this is like
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  Speaker 3: innovation slash ambition. So you have the ambition to do
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  Speaker 3: a song about skateboarding. Well, there's no skateboarding sound.
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  Speaker 2: Effects in the music library. So, OK, what do we do?
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  Speaker 3: Well, grab a microphone. I'm going to run alongside you
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  Speaker 3: while you're on the skateboard.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 3: But again, it's like innovation. And it's and it's such
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  Speaker 3: that that's a really simple example. Like, how do we
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  Speaker 3: how do we get the skateboard sound? But in the
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  Speaker 3: event like where you get the pep sounds and and
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Brian wants a song lyrically, the lyrics are about crying
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: and he wants the music. to also have that feeling
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: where he's got a cello and string instruments and he has,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: so the ambition is there to create that. And he's
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: innovative enough and understands how he feels inside and actually
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: can communicate that to a professional musician and say, I
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: want you to kind of pull back right there and
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: let that.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I i want to feel the string cry.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah you know that's that to me is that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: that is like a level similar to sidewalk surfing it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: this it's this visual and that's what they were great
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: at arrow is they had this you go back to
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: four Oh nine, right? Yes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: They're in the street and they record the car engine
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: at the car and they rev it up and they
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: record it. And that's, I, I wish it's funny because
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: when I listened to surfing USA, if only they had
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: a way to record a big waves, you know, coming down,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: but they never did that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Which is funny.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: But, um, There's just such innovation, and I think that's
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: another part of, you know, the Beatles only ever did that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I think, on Good Morning, Good Morning off the Sgt.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Pepper album. They chicken clucking, you know. I think, didn't they?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Didn't they have like a chicken, like a.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Knowing them, they probably did because they were all about
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: whatever we could get, man. If you could put a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: penny on there and have it spin round and round,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: they're going to record it. They were all about everything.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Record it, record it, get it down, get it down.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: We'll figure out a place to put it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just, it was such a, that's, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: you know, in that time frame, they're going from four
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: track to eight track. And what the Beach Boys were
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: so great at was they, and that's funny, Jan and
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Dean wanted to be in the Beach Boys because there
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: was two of them, and then they would have to
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: double their vocals.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I get it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: But with the Beach Boys, you had, you know, where
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: you have Brian beginning to, so they had to get
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the tracks down, which took most of the tracks, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: then they couldn't, they had to record their.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Vocals live most of the time.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Which is, which is another phenomenal thing about them that
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: they had five guys singing and they had to, they
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: had to get it right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: They, they couldn't make the mistake.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: And Brian got so picky with them that if one
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: made a mistake, he'd say, okay, stop, we're going to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: start again.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And, and he'd kind of demanded, uh, the best out
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I love the part in the book where Al Jardine
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: says they just got back from tour and they're singing, um,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Is it You're So Good to Me?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's it, where they're.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Going, na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And that was.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Brian's, no, maybe Girl Don't Tell Me. It's Brian's song
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: where he's doing a, sounding like the Beatles. And Al
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Jardine comes back. He said, we're so exhausted from touring.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: We come back.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Brian's having us repeat these. I just said I he
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: said I was so wiped out. I just fell on
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the floor laughing because I couldn't.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't, you know, keep going.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But by the way, it was a chicken. And John
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Lennon had it inside his mind. What he wanted to
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: do was use that chicken to. to go to the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: next song. And I thought that was very fascinating because
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: what happens is that, I mean, as it is, Sgt. Pepper,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: it's one song after another after another. It's almost like
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: John said, you've got to listen to the entire album
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to get the full experience. But yeah, but see, the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: thing about it is, once again, this goes back to
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Pet Sounds, what we were talking about. they were using
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: all different types of pet sounds in that Beatles song. And,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: and right away that, that automatically takes me to the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Beach Boys. I'm going, you're copying them. You're doing exactly.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, it's like you're, you're trying to be
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: inventive in a way that's already been invented.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: And, and it's, and it's, that's one of the beautiful, uh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: things about that period of time and the, uh, where
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: really innovative and ambitious recording artists are influenced, you know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: having a positive.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Effect on one another.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Because, man, you go back and Brian, who knows if
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Pet Sounds would have happened the way that it did.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: If not for him listening to Rubber Soul and going, ooh.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. See the connection? There's always got to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: be a connection. Well, I mean, so then what happens
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: in a situation? Because you and I both know what
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: program directors and consultants are all about. When you've got
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: somebody like Murray who isn't coming in the room and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Mike Love just basically said he takes his eye off
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the situation and he puts it on the solution. I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: thought that was very leadership quality from Mike Love. When
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Murray didn't come into the room, he was like, let's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: do it. We're going to do it without him. And
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I just looked up to Mike even more on that.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, get the job done. Let's go.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Well, yes.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Because Mike wasn't really the studio rap like Brian was.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, right, right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Mike's ambition was to come in, write lyrics where required,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Execute the vocals, understand what Brian wanted, and, you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and kind of get right to it and work hard
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: at it. and then go, you know? So, because he
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: is Brian kind of create, Brian was kind of like the, uh,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: if you can, you know, we're coming up on Halloween,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: if you can kind.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Of, Brian was more like the, uh, the, uh, what
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: is it? The witch over the boiling pot of water.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: You know, the, you know, the inventor and, and the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: other guys were supplemental, uh, you know, voices. And in
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of the cases, Mike would come in and,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I know stories. Mike wrote Good Vibrations in the car.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: His wife, you know, he dictated it. When it came
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to California Girls, they got to the studio and Brian
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: had this incredible track.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And Mike went out in the hall with a tablet
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: and went to work.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: So it's, you know, things went so fast back in
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: those days, comparatively speaking.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And, you know, 12 albums in four years by the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Beach Boys.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: That's an insane pace.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: That's an addiction.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And the Beatles were quite productive, too, in that period.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Again, that's why I think it's just incredible that, A,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: they had all these different types of ideas. that either
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: would influence each other and all the, you know, we've just,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: we're really just talking about the two, these two groups,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: but there's the stones, there's, uh, the love and spoonful,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: the mamas and papas.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: There's so many other groups that, that were around that were,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you know, a part of this incredible movement.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Um, you know, even in folk music with Peter, Paul
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and Mary and, you know, there's just so much, uh, Oh, um,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: The Letterman. And it goes as far back to Brian's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: childhood when he would listen to George and Ira Gershwin
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: over at his grandparents' house.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: There's just so much. That's why I love that this
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: book starts with their childhood.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And it's really weird because I interview these people.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And then they keep passing away. When I started this book,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Brian was still alive.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Mike's sister Maureen just passed earlier this year, and she's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: in the first chapter. And, you know, you just don't
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: know when those things are going to happen. And so
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: now it makes, you know, there's a part of me
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that had a funny feeling about it when Brian passed
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: before the book came out. And then my book came out.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Oddly enough, out of my control, the publisher didn't know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: The book comes out on the one-year anniversary of Brian's passing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Really funny. wild um um you know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Um but you know um i i was just kind
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of it's it's kind of like what does this mean
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: am i doing the right thing is it okay to
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: put these out there and and i think it goes
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: back to the quote from carnie wilson on the back
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: of the book yes which is beach boys touch many
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: people's lives david beard touched them and that that is
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: when i when she sent that to me And this
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: is after this is after her father died that she
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: sent me that quote. I just I was absolutely. I mean,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it's if she believes that and then that added a
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: perspective to my understanding of the relationship that I have
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: with them, because that's not something I ever would have thought.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, I mean, look at the transition that I've
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: seen with you just in the past 20 years in
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the way that you shared the story of the Beach Boys.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: You were with the Beach Boys. I trusted your word.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: First of all, how did you even get us to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: even trust you? I don't know, but that's the magic
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of you. And then all of a sudden you went
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: into the historian of the band. Now you're the archaeologist
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: of the band. Now you're saying they're not here, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: let me share with you what I just dug up.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, you dug up the story about we three Kings.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I had no clue that they recorded that orchestra without
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: them being in the studio. That inspires me because I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: am a studio guy. I do like to produce in
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the studio, but I don't know if I could have
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: done the orchestra without them there and still had a vision,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: but you bring that story forward. That's what I expect
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: from you.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's, uh, But that just goes back to the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: familiarity of them. As you probably experienced, when you research something,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: you can have a set of questions. And this is
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: what I experienced early on back in 93, through the
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: first handful of years that I was doing Endless Summer Quarterly,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: is I'd have my batch of questions ready. And regardless
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: of what they would say to me they would answer
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the question i would ask them and then i would
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: no matter what they would say i'd still ask them
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the next.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Question that i had yep and so i wasn't really.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Listening to them and and so once the beatles anthology
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: came out that changed the way that i asked questions
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Because the Beatles anthology, in that moment where they're talking
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: about when they went and saw Elvis, somehow the interviewer
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: starts asking him about, do you remember Priscilla's dress? And
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I'm like, and I remember watching that and thinking, what
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: a horrible question.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You're talking, they went to Elvis's house. Why are you
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: asking about Priscilla's dress? But then they get to George.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And George says, I don't remember that. I would just
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: remember I was looking for the reefer.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And had the interviewer, I'm sure there was, you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: anybody can read any Beatles book and know that the
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Beatles were, they started getting high a lot during the
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: filming itself. And you could very easily have asked George,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you know, at that time, I know you were smoking
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of dope. But then what happens if you
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: do that, You then are pinning the person down.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: And so the softball question of talking about a dress
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: opens the door to anywhere their minds may take them.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: And that was an informed moment for me. It just
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: ended up being.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: A, oh, look where that went.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: It started over here and look where it went.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: So after the Beatles anthology, I started asking questions differently.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: A little bit more opened ended. And then, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: whenever anybody's.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Ever interviewed Brian Wilson, I will say there should be
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: a course for any person who wants to become an
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: interviewer called the Brian Wilson school. If you think you're
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: going to, I mean, the number of times I like
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: interviewed him and it was like, I like the first
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: time I interviewed him, I had these long questions ready.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, I'm going to talk to Brian Wilson.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And they were yes or no questions.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And I'd ask, I'd have this long winded question and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: he'd go, yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's him. That's him. But you know what I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: did with my conversation is that it was with his wife.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: They were together. And what I did was I wanted
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: him to know that I recognized her as a person
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and that she was part of that conversation. And he
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: respected that, that it wasn't just about him. And that's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: what I loved about him is that he was the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: atmosphere of all things moving around him. And it was,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it was like, okay, so what, what, what are, what
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: am I hearing through my earphones? What's going on that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I can bring in for the quote? Because I'm sure
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: he's been asked the same fricking 10 questions over and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: over again. But if you really listen, you're going to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: get something that somebody else hasn't done. And that's what
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I loved about having a conversation with him.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He, um, He ended up being a joy over
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: the years.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Because once you do tap into his language of.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: The way that he talks through music.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: That music is his love, that's his communicative tool.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: As you saw in the book, I got some really
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: great stuff from him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: The big moment for me was.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Sitting in Tony Asher's backyard with Tony.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Now, this is 2005, so Pet Sounds.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Came out in 66.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there with Tony Asher in 2005, and I
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: say to him, You wrote the lyrics to most of
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the songs on Pet Sounds.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: People always say that they feel they know Brian.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Isn't it fair to say that they would know you, too,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: because you wrote the words?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: And he paused. He said, nobody's ever asked me that before.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, how is that possible?
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you know. And then I love that I
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: that Brian was open to me asking him that question. Yeah.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And that he and I think it I think it
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: really balanced an understanding of what Pet Sounds truly is.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: That it was two guys who sat.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: With each other and talked about relationships. And Tony was
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: just breaking up. He was just in a relationship that
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: was breaking up. So it brings out it actually it
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't take anything away from Brian or the Beach Boys.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: What it does is it supplements really what the album
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: is all about.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this cover because I grew up with
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the Beach Boys on 8-track tape. I didn't do the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: 45s because that wasn't my generation. They were my 8-track
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: tape band. When I looked at this cover, when it arrived,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and thank you so much for sharing it with me,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: instantly I went to my 8-tracks. Were you emulating that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: era in putting this book cover together? Because I want
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: people to be able to feel their own moment when
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: they put their hands on this cover. There's something about
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: this cover that that we all have a story, a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: personal story that we'll all be able to share.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very, uh, purposeful.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: So, you know, what I didn't want to do is
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to, so I had all my Beach
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Boys books. I went through all the different books that
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I had looked at the titles and, you.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Know, the idea is that, from my publisher how it
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: was explained to me is you really want.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: To have like a hit song title so that people
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: see this title they know who it's about immediately yep
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: so all summer long is in one of those albums
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: that i fell in love with i listen to it
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: every summer um and and the music and and it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: kind of right in the middle of the period that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: the book covers and i just thought well That's perfect
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: because it has the Piet Mondrian style.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He was a Dutch painter.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: And if you go back to the 60s, that style
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: of the colored blocks with the images was used on
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: just about everybody's record.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: And that was another piece of it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I was like, I want to visually convey this time frame.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: And then it worked beautifully because I said, okay, we
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: can do three images. I can do early images that
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: shows David Marks because I felt he contributed. I wanted
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: to be able to visually, right when you look at
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the cover, convey the timeframe that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: It is because then the lower image shows the six
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Beach Boys where David's no longer there.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Al and Bruce are there. Yep.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: So that was kind of the visual emphasis that I
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: wanted to be made, that they transitioned some personnel.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: But this is what.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: You're going to be reading about from this period to
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: this period in this book. And then uniquely, I discovered
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: this after the fact. This is one of those weird coincidences.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: It turns out Pete Mondrian– And I have the same birthday.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I found that out afterwards. I said, oh, my God,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: what are the chances that I wanted that design by
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that guy? It's just so weird.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: It's just such a weird– well, kind of serendipitous and
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: kind of a happy coincidence. But, yeah, it's just– I
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: wanted it to, and you know, a beautiful thing about it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know this. Um, I thought it was going
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to be a dust jacket.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I, you know, because that was kind of my understanding.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: I had this, my first book that I'm doing and
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I thought it would be a dust jacket.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: So when it showed up and it was mailed.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: To me and I took it out of the box
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: for the first time and held it, I was like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Oh my.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: God, this is cool.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: This is cool. Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, it was it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: It it's it's quite it's been a interesting journey because
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I just I, you know, through the years of doing
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: all these interviews and pulling this history together. When I,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: you know, for for 30, you know, until the last
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: five years, I didn't even putting a book out was.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Not even in my mind.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Really something I was thinking about but what happened was
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: I think I write about this in my introduction and
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the acknowledgements in the back I had more and more
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: industry professionals who worked with them asking me when are
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: you going to do a book and it was really
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: the words of Winston Simone when he said to me
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: your work is culturally significant and it was those two
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: words that where.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I kind of sat back and went he's right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you, David?
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Because I want them to really tap into your experience
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: on this and that you're not an outsider that happened
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to be listening to some songs on the radio, that
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you've been a physically part of this entire story. You
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: are a part of this story, a big page of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: this story. And that's what I want listeners to really
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: jump into that. This isn't just somebody who's doing a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: fly by night book.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Um, Well, the kind of the place to find me,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I guess, would be if you go to Facebook or
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the magazine website or Facebook.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Facebook has Endless Summer Quarterly page. And we have an.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Endless Summer Quarterly group there.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You can follow us on socials. We have an Instagram account.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But ESPN.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: E-S-Q-U-A-R-T-E-R-L-Y dot com. That's the magazine website. You can go there,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: and there's an editor's page, and you can kind of read.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: uh a little bit about me and and that i
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: think there's there's all sorts of uh articles floating around
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: uh the saturday evening post just did a story.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Which i'm totally so over the moon about i can't
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: believe it that that that that that I just was,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: I was like a little bummed that Norman Rockwell's not
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: here anymore because I wanted him to do a painting
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: called freedom from surf.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, but, um, it's just been amazing.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And, and I, I'm, I'm happy to, to tell you
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and share that, uh, I've just finished my second book.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, what did you know? What is this one based on?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Or can you talk about it? Is it too early?
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Uh, well, I can tell you it's going to be
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: called do it again.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Um, conversations with the beach boys from smiley smile to
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: 15 big ones.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So it's picking up right where the first book left off.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Let's see. Yeah. Somebody's somebody from Hulu and Netflix are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: going to be knocking on your door going, can we,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: can we have the rights to this so that we
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: can put together some sort of a biopic on this?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Because I mean, it's so genuine.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: No, thank you. Yeah. Thank you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, and Dennis Dyke and drummer of the smithereens, who
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: is my host on four of my book signings during
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the summer. He's doing the foreword for the second book.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, see, you're right on it. So we need a
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: book of time so we can talk about that. Do
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you have, what is it, 2027 for release, or what
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: are you doing?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And then it's hopefully going to be at least.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: A four-book series.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Really? Oh, that's awesome.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I've got that much material.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: So it's going to, like, the next one will pick up,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: you know, this next one's ending.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: At 15 big ones.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: The next one will pick up with Love You, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: that will go to... whatever point the one after that will.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Pick up after that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So much.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: It's just, um, and it's so easy to put together,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's different than, than actually writing a
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: whole book because all I'm really, um, you know, I'm
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: writing the chapter introductions.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Um, and then I'm getting out of the way because.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I, I, they, you know, people don't need to Fans
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: of the Beach Boys or this music, they don't– reading
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: my story, that will.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Be down the line. I do have a book that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to write about my experiences with them. That's cool.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: My View from the Shore, Life with the Beach Boys.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. I love it. I love it. You got
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to come back to this show, dude. You got to
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: come back. I mean, come on now. I would love to. Yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: we've got to because I like breaking stuff down and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you're not afraid to break things down and let us
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: really on the inside of the sleeve. And to me,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. Listeners get something very special
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: from you by reading your words and then to hear
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: your voice. Now they really get to put it together.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope everyone that– I would say that if
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: you love the Beach Boys, you'll– or the genre of music,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: there's just so much there that you're going to just–
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it's going to be– it's going to fill in a
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: lot of gaps that you're not going to find on
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Google or anywhere else. And then– There's there's an intimate
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: quality to these conversations that you're just not going to
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: find anywhere else. And that's and that's that's because I
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: had the honor and the privilege of, you know, talking
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: to these guys over, you know, over three decades and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and that the trust in those relationships that that's that's
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: what I think. people will hopefully get is that the,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: you know, the comfortable, the level of comfortable, uh, conversation
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: that takes place is, uh, I haven't seen anywhere else.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: All right, man, you have a brilliant day. Please hug
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: your wife. Happy anniversary. I mean, you guys are getting
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: up there in the years that Lee and I are
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: getting up in the years. So, and, and you're, you're
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: beautiful boy. Oh my God. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, you
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: are the perfect father. I swear to God, dude.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Thank you.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: You are. So, man, I can't wait to talk with
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you again. We all need to get together for dinner again,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a big old anniversary dinner or something.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I'd love to get together, buddy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, you be brilliant today, okay, sir?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: All right, you too.