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The Kenny Report | 2 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 4: The immigration debate as the Albanesi Labor government announces our
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Speaker 4: permanent intake will remain at the same level for next year.
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Speaker 4: Israel absurdly accused of genocide again. We'll share the observations
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Speaker 4: of an Australian who was just in Gaza. I'll talk
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Speaker 4: to an Iranian Australian academic about Iran's global terrorism that
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Speaker 4: we've experienced here in Australia as well. And the three
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Speaker 4: Scottish brothers who rode from South America to Australia. Yep,
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Speaker 4: they rode and they will join me live also Tim Blair,
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Speaker 4: Susi O'Brien and Stephen Senner Tiempe.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 4: The government's new deal with the tiny Pacific nation of
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Speaker 4: Nuru is quite extraordinary for many reasons. This deal is
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Speaker 4: good for Australia because it's a way for us to
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Speaker 4: get rid of the hundreds of non citizens in our
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Speaker 4: country who are criminals but who the government's been unable
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Speaker 4: to keep in detention or deport.
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Speaker 3: As you know, these.
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Speaker 4: People were freed on Labour's watch because of a high
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Speaker 4: court decision, and many of them have reoffended in our
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Speaker 4: community since being freed.
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Speaker 3: But this is a bad deal for NHRU. Now I've
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Speaker 3: been to Naru.
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Speaker 4: I've worked hard to get there ten years ago because
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Speaker 4: I wanted to assess the horrible claims from the Labor Party,
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Speaker 4: the ABC and various activists that Australia was mistreating asylum
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Speaker 4: seekers in the room.
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Speaker 3: I traveled all over the.
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Speaker 4: Island, visiting asylum seekers in their houses and visiting others
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Speaker 4: in the detention center. And they were suffering from being
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Speaker 4: stuck in limbo, for sure, But the claims of them
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Speaker 4: being mistreated were of course just not true. But at
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Speaker 4: the time the left was relentless and vicious and it's
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Speaker 4: position to the Pacific Solution and Australia sending people to Neru.
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Speaker 3: One of the critics was this book.
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Speaker 5: Arrive in freedom loving Australia only to be locked up
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Speaker 5: sent away to Nahru for processing. You can't have it
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Speaker 5: both ways. You can't say the regime of Saddam Hussein
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Speaker 5: and the Taliban were so evil and yet we will
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Speaker 5: persecute the victims.
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Speaker 1: Of those very same regimes.
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Speaker 3: YEP.
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Speaker 4: That was Anthony Alberanezi listen to why he thought the
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Speaker 4: Coalition was sending people.
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Speaker 5: To Naru to promote fear, to promote hatred, to vilify
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Speaker 5: some of the most vulnerable people in the global community.
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Speaker 4: That's the current Prime minister on sending people to Naharu,
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Speaker 4: the same Prime minister who's now done a deal to
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Speaker 4: send more people to Naharu, who used to say that
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Speaker 4: Nahru as an option was disgraceful.
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Speaker 5: Of course, Naharu is not a signatory to the nineteen
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Speaker 5: fifty one Convention. One of the reasons why it's been chosen.
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Speaker 5: Kids being locked up behind barbed wire, taken essentially to
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Speaker 5: a prison camp on Naharu is just unacceptable in two
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Speaker 5: thousand and six, regardless of the origin, the religion, the race,
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Speaker 5: the gender, the color of those kids, it is simply unacceptable.
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Speaker 4: But now he's changed his mind or does he stand
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Speaker 4: for because now Albanezi is going to send up to
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Speaker 4: three one hundred and fifty people criminals they are to
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Speaker 4: this tiny island nation. There are less than twelve thousand
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Speaker 4: people living on Naru, living in little villages around its coastline,
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Speaker 4: so two or three hundred criminals could have quite an impact.
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Speaker 4: That's why I say this is a bad deal for NARU,
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Speaker 4: although the Australian money will be welcome. Yet the silence
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Speaker 4: is overwhelming now, isn't it from most of the media
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Speaker 4: and the usual activists and politicians who were so vocal
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Speaker 4: about the Pacific Solution and NHRU when the Coalition was
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Speaker 4: in power. And as for the details of this four
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Speaker 4: hundred million dollar plus deal, the PM suddenly doesn't have
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Speaker 4: much to say about NIRU.
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Speaker 6: It's four hundred upfront and then seventy million a year
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Speaker 6: for how long?
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Speaker 7: No does go on for?
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Speaker 5: Well, there's a range of arrangements in place. Some of
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Speaker 5: those are government to government and no doub when.
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Speaker 6: Is it in like does it just keep going or
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Speaker 6: is it a timeframe?
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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, Patricia.
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Speaker 5: And it's an arrangement between our government and the No
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Speaker 5: run government.
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Speaker 6: But will you make the details of the payments clear
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Speaker 6: for how long they get seventy million a year?
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Speaker 5: It's an arrangement government in the No run government.
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Speaker 3: Silence.
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Speaker 4: We don't need to know so much for open and
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Speaker 4: transparent government. There will now be a Senate inquiry looking
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Speaker 4: into the deal tomorrow night. Look albanezi owes a clear
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Speaker 4: apology to the nation and to the former coalition government,
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Speaker 4: by the way, because he was toxic about this process. Previously,
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Speaker 4: he made outrageous claims about how immoral it was.
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Speaker 3: To send people to NHRU.
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Speaker 4: He didn't just smear the government, he smeared our country's
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Speaker 4: reputation globally over NARU, as I just show.
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Speaker 3: So if he has.
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Speaker 4: Now been apprized of the facts and realized he was wrong,
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Speaker 4: he really should apologize for all the bile.
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Speaker 3: He previously spread. It would be the decent thing to
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Speaker 3: do now.
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Speaker 4: Just on immigration issues, the government was quick to demonize
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Speaker 4: the anti immigration protests held around the country on Sunday,
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Speaker 4: as I showed you last night in that interview I
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Speaker 4: just showed you on the ABC Anthony Albanez. He tarred
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Speaker 4: all the protesters with the extremists and the neo Nazis
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Speaker 4: who tried to hijack those protests.
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Speaker 5: But what we have here is neo Nazi has been
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Speaker 5: given a platform. That's what we saw on the weekend,
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Speaker 5: and the tone, of course of much of the rallies
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Speaker 5: was unfortunate, it is the best way that he could
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Speaker 5: put it, but hateful in some of the extreme example.
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Speaker 4: Nonetheless, the Prime Minister did seem sensitive about the issue
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Speaker 4: of immigration.
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Speaker 3: Numbers during the election.
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Speaker 4: The election campaign, he promised to reduce our immigration intake,
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Speaker 4: recognizing of course the pressures here on housing, infrastructure and all.
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Speaker 3: The rest of it. So on the ABC yesterday he
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Speaker 3: offered this reassurance.
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Speaker 5: Like our our net overseas migration is foury It fell
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Speaker 5: substantially in twenty and twenty four. Of course there were
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Speaker 5: going to be an increased number after the lockdown of
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Speaker 5: our entire continent that occurred during COVID.
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Speaker 6: To these people, we're getting the numbers.
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Speaker 5: Down, well, we are getting the numbers down, getting the
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Speaker 5: numbers down.
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Speaker 8: Yet.
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Speaker 4: The first thing today the Immigration Minister Tony Burke announced
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Speaker 4: the permanent migration intake for the coming year and it
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Speaker 4: will be set at one hundred and eighty five thousand
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Speaker 4: and people, exactly the same number as last year.
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Speaker 3: Now we don't know what will happen with net migration numbers.
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Speaker 4: There are a number of factors that feed into that,
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Speaker 4: including how many people leave the country, and that does
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Speaker 4: appear to be coming down from record levels last year.
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Speaker 4: But when a government promises to cut migration and then
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Speaker 4: keeps permanent migration numbers at exactly the same level, it
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Speaker 4: could be accused of breaking yet another election promise, or
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Speaker 4: it might even be another case of talking bs and
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Speaker 4: watch out, you're going to hear the Prime Minister swear again.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 5: Cutting power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 5: by twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 5: A better future with real plants. To address is the
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Speaker 5: cost of living.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 5: The cheapest form of new energy is renewables, but I
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Speaker 5: like bullshit people. We have a plan to build one
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Speaker 5: point two million homes by the end of the.
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Speaker 1: Decade, but I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 9: My labor team will work every day to bring Australians together.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 5: You just need your Medicare card, not your credit card.
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Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 5: We are getting the numbers down, but I like bullshit people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're adding to the list now, aren't we. Aren't we?
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Speaker 4: What's real and what's bs? It's getting harder and harder
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Speaker 4: to tell, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 4: Apparently there is an organization that calls itself the International
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Speaker 4: Association of Genocide Scholars, and they have today issued a
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Speaker 4: statement claiming Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. Of course,
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Speaker 4: they wouldn't know what's going on in Gaza, no doubt.
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Speaker 4: They base their claims on information pushed out out of
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Speaker 4: Gaza by hum Us and repeated gormlessly by the media
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Speaker 4: and the United Nations. Let me give you a recent
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Speaker 4: example of this. Here's our own ABC News. On the weekend, more.
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Speaker 10: Than two hundred and forty Palestinians working in the media
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Speaker 10: have been killed since October twenty twenty three, according to
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Speaker 10: Garzas Health Authorities.
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Speaker 4: Gaza's health authorities, in other words, humm Us. They relay
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Speaker 4: information that comes from humm Us, the same organization that kidnaps, torches, rapes, murders,
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Speaker 4: and then defiles the corpses of men, women, and children,
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Speaker 4: the same organizations still holding hostages, and the ABC quotes
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Speaker 4: their claims as fat just sickening, sure, but obviously misleading.
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Speaker 4: Obviously you cannot trust a single word that humm Us
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Speaker 4: says anyway. Based on this sort of misinformation, this mob
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Speaker 4: of genocide scholars reckons Israel is committing genocide in Gaza
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Speaker 4: now and the ABC, Yes, your taxes at work again.
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Speaker 4: The ABC reports this prominently. It even led radio bulletins today.
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Speaker 4: The daily diatribe against Israel, the daily demonization of Israel,
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Speaker 4: and the daily repetition of talking points from Hamas' propaganda
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Speaker 4: units as recited by so called Gazan authorities or the un.
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Speaker 4: I keep coming back to the simple, undeniable fact that
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Speaker 4: the only reason anyone is alive in Gaza now is
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Speaker 4: because Israel has been ensuring water, food, medical supplies, and
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Speaker 4: power has gone into Gaza over the past twenty three months.
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Speaker 4: That's just the reality, and it puts the lie to
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Speaker 4: all the slurs about genocide and deliberate starvation and targeting civilians. Look,
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Speaker 4: if the situation is anywhere near as bad as these
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Speaker 4: bodies claim, why doesn't Egypt just open its border with Gaza.
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Speaker 4: It could let aid In and Palestinians out. But it
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Speaker 4: does nothing of the kind.
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Speaker 3: Of course, Now.
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Speaker 4: It's better to demonize Israel with ridiculous claims of genocide
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Speaker 4: made by an Islamist terrorist organization in Humas that is
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Speaker 4: openly committed to you guessed it, genocide of the Jewish
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Speaker 4: population of Israel. If the anti Israeli narrative run by
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Speaker 4: the UN and the media was not so putrid, it
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Speaker 4: would be hilarious for its absurdity. Anyway, we got a
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Speaker 4: good insight last night on Shari Markson's program when she
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Speaker 4: spoke to Australian actor and social media influencer Nate Buzolik,
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Speaker 4: who had just returned from visiting a Gazan Aid distribution center.
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Speaker 11: No one reached out to me, no one gave me permission.
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Speaker 11: I've been chasing down GHF and different organizations to try
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Speaker 11: and see it with my own eyes, understanding how committed
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Speaker 11: the Palestinian narrative is about starvation. So what I saw
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Speaker 11: was these exact opposite.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we keep being told about starvation, even accusations of
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Speaker 4: deliberate starvation.
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Speaker 3: Here is more of what Nate saw.
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Speaker 11: What I did see and the conversations I had with
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Speaker 11: people were the absolute opposite of what the world is
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Speaker 11: trying to present, particularly Hamas, about this starvation crisis. I
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Speaker 11: saw healthy people. I didn't see anyone who was emaciated.
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Speaker 11: These people were not starving. The people I spoke to
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Speaker 11: were not starving. And you know, I spoke to one woman.
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Speaker 11: Obviously I wasn't allowed to film these people from risk
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Speaker 11: of what Hummusk would potentially do to them, but during
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Speaker 11: my conversation with.
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Speaker 2: Her, I asked her a simple question.
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Speaker 3: I said, what is the source of your.
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Speaker 11: Suffering here in Gaza?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to lead her into the answer of Hamas.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to answer.
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Speaker 11: It for herself. And the answer me was shocking. She
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Speaker 11: said it's the men. She didn't say Humas, she just
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Speaker 11: said it's the men. The men in Gaza take everything
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Speaker 11: and we as the women, get absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 4: Nate is a committed Christian and a strong advocate for Israel.
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Speaker 3: He is honest and upfront about his.
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Speaker 4: Perspective, and he since posted this vision from the aid center.
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Speaker 2: So what you've seen behind me is women lining up.
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Speaker 2: You know this is not easy.
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Speaker 11: It's not easy for them to have to come to
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Speaker 11: a distribution site to collect aid. My heart breaks for
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Speaker 11: the children that I have seen today and the obvious
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Speaker 11: situation that they find themselves in. But it reminds me
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Speaker 11: of what Hamas has done to these people.
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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm good.
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Speaker 3: How are you?
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Speaker 11: You come every day twice? Can you tell me a
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Speaker 11: little bit about the situation that you've been experiencing here
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Speaker 11: in Gaza over the last twenty two months?
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Speaker 7: Yes, of course, please.
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Speaker 11: Men the men take everything. The women are the victims
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Speaker 11: in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nate, they're in Gaza. Good on him for getting
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Speaker 3: in there.
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Speaker 4: Most of the information that most of the public is
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Speaker 4: being fed is coming from journalists and activists who pretend
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Speaker 4: to be objective but are actually antagonistic towards Israel and
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Speaker 4: sympathetic to what they think is the Palestinian cause.
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Speaker 3: But sadly they have no.
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Speaker 4: Comprehension of Hummas and the Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 3: That's the reality of.
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Speaker 4: This war, in the grotesque world of Hamas and the
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Speaker 4: death cult of Islamist extremism. The deaths of Palestinians are
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Speaker 4: worthwhile if they help to demonize Israel and weaken for
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Speaker 4: support for Israel across the world. Much of the media
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Speaker 4: and many politicians help out in this demonization process.
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Speaker 3: The truth will win out.
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Speaker 4: Reality will be exposed eventually, and all strength to Nate
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Speaker 4: Bezolich for doing his best to get it out there sooner.
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Speaker 4: We are looking to catch up with the shadow Immigration Minister,
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Speaker 4: Paul scar He's been caught away to a division in Canberra.
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Speaker 4: So let's go now to the Daily Telegraph's Tim Blair.
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Speaker 4: It joins us from Western Victoria. Good to speak to you, Tim.
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Speaker 4: We haven't caught up for a while because you've been
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Speaker 4: in the US, the US talking about demonization. The US
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Speaker 4: has been demonized a bit of late. People have been
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Speaker 4: saying that the left have been saying you shouldn't go there,
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Speaker 4: don't holiday in Trump's America.
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Speaker 3: It's a horrible place to be. How did you fare
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Speaker 3: in the wilds of the US.
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Speaker 12: Well, I was actually promised by multiple articles in the
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Speaker 12: nine newspapers and elsewhere the ABC that a miracle is
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Speaker 12: actually difficult to get into, that I might be turned
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Speaker 12: away or join people in some sort of you know, gulags.
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Speaker 12: But as it happens, it's very easy to get in
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Speaker 12: the United States. It's as easy as it's ever been.
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Speaker 12: And during three weeks there in multiple states, I didn't
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Speaker 12: hear Donald Trump mentioned once. It's not as much of
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Speaker 12: an issue over there. It's barely an issue over there
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Speaker 12: because Trump is actually doing very well. People are very
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Speaker 12: satisfied with the accomplishments made by ICE, the immigration police
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Speaker 12: or authorities, and things are trending up. But you know,
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Speaker 12: I've just written this article, as you point out, as
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Speaker 12: the graphic showed for the Daily Telegraph, and I've got
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Speaker 12: you know, there are any number of lefties jump online
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Speaker 12: and say you know, no, no, it's not true.
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Speaker 2: You know that.
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Speaker 12: America is a terrible place. You can't get in there,
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Speaker 12: and if you do get in, you'll be beaten up
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Speaker 12: or whatever. And I'm the guy who's just been there, kids,
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Speaker 12: I can tell you it's not as bad as everyone
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Speaker 12: is pretending that it is.
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Speaker 3: Look, it's fantastic.
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Speaker 4: I've got to say that I've been to the States
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Speaker 4: I don't know, five or six times in the last
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Speaker 4: ten years, and a lot earlier this year, and especially
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Speaker 4: since the emergence of Trump.
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Speaker 3: Of course, there was.
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Speaker 4: All the years of campaigning, then there was the four
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Speaker 4: years of his first presidency, then the four years when
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Speaker 4: he seems to be living in Joe Biden's and now
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Speaker 4: he's back in power, traveling around the States, speaking to
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Speaker 4: ordinary people, mainstream Americans, in all sorts of different environments,
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Speaker 4: in a lot of different states. I was shocked at
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Speaker 4: how little there was any reference to Trump. They're just
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Speaker 4: getting on with life, getting on with their own lives,
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Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem to loom particularly high in their consciousness.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, And I think it would profit a lot of
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Speaker 12: people who are against Trump in Australia to go over
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Speaker 12: there and have a look. I mean, I've got friends
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Speaker 12: on the left who have refused to go there to
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Speaker 12: the US because they're frightened of a civil war. That's
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Speaker 12: how intense they believe feeling is over there, and it
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Speaker 12: just isn't the case. And this is you know, I've
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Speaker 12: been to Democrat and Republican areas in the US, you know,
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Speaker 12: Chicago to Tennessee, and there is nowhere near the level
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Speaker 12: of passion that people who are addicted to news from
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Speaker 12: the US might imagine that there is. It's much more peaceable,
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Speaker 12: it's incredibly Actually, it's a lovely place to be doing
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Speaker 12: any kind of summer. And as I say, people would
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Speaker 12: profit massively personally by going there and having a look
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Speaker 12: for themselves.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to say.
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Speaker 4: My wife was in the US just a couple of
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Speaker 4: weeks ago, and she was facetiming me and whatever when
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Speaker 4: she's going for morning walks around the middle of DC. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 4: I'm reading about a crime crisis. Perhaps you should be
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Speaker 4: staying home, but she said it was wonderful.
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Speaker 3: People are out and about and all very good. Now
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Speaker 3: I've got to bring it back home and the climate debate.
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Speaker 3: Our mate Chris Bowen has been in.
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Speaker 4: The media surprisingly did a long interview with The Australian
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Speaker 4: to get double down on his and all his green
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Speaker 4: energy ambitions. And have a look at this little post
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Speaker 4: that he's chucked up there on Instagram today.
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Speaker 5: I'm very proud that the Arnich factory is here in
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Speaker 5: our community in hunting Wood and did you know that
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Speaker 5: it's powered by nine thousand solar panels on.
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Speaker 2: The roof and from today with.
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Speaker 5: These wonderful batteries as well, because Arnoch has done what
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Speaker 5: so many Australian households are doing and put in batteries
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Speaker 5: because old power through the night as.
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Speaker 1: Well today getting on with the job.
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Speaker 5: Renewable energy is the cheapest, fund reliable form of energy
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Speaker 5: what donas Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well done on It's no doubt that's when your tim
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Speaker 4: TAM's go up. That's why no one seems to mention
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Speaker 4: the ridiculous additional cost of having to duplicate all of
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Speaker 4: your energy needs.
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Speaker 12: Why do they keep lying like it's just straight out
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Speaker 12: lying to say that renewable energy is the cheapest form
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Speaker 12: of energy. I noticed in the clips you're above playing
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Speaker 12: before of the Prime Minister that there's a little qualification
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Speaker 12: that you put in there that it's the cheapest form
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Speaker 12: of new energy.
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Speaker 3: Ah.
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Speaker 12: Yes, nice little fudge on that one.
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Speaker 2: Not reliable energy exactly.
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Speaker 4: Just quickly though, there's talk of Australia might miss out
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Speaker 4: on getting the Climate Summer, the COP twenty six or
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Speaker 4: seven or whatever it is that they want to run
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Speaker 4: in another they this is good news surely if Turkey
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Speaker 4: does this instead of us, because it's just got a
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Speaker 4: taxpayer cost taxpayers another one hundred million dollars for another
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Speaker 4: useless talk fest.
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Speaker 12: Look, no one more than me would would like the
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Speaker 12: Australian tax player to get a break here. But on
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Speaker 12: the other hand, to be very selfish about it, Chris,
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Speaker 12: I've made a substantial living out of observing people being
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Speaker 12: stupid at close quarters. And I'm not going to miss
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Speaker 12: for the whole world the opportunity to have a climate
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Speaker 12: festival right here in our own country.
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Speaker 8: We are, right, Chris, But.
21:22
Speaker 12: This is my retirement package, man, I can so much
21:25
Speaker 12: on this.
21:28
Speaker 4: I've always thought it would be great to fund to
21:30
Speaker 4: turn up at a COP with a camera crew and
21:33
Speaker 4: just interview some of the nutters there. If it's in
21:36
Speaker 4: Austract we'll do the.
21:38
Speaker 3: Show out of Adelaide for the whole cop process and
21:42
Speaker 3: sign me up.
21:43
Speaker 12: I'll be there for the Daily, I'll be there for
21:44
Speaker 12: Sky all.
21:45
Speaker 3: The ways your mind.
21:46
Speaker 4: We've got to undercut Turkey and make sure it comes
21:48
Speaker 4: here no matter what it costs. Thanks for joining us, Tim,
21:51
Speaker 4: Tim Blair that you can read his stuff in the
21:53
Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph and we'll have him catch up with him
21:55
Speaker 4: on Thursday as well. I want to go back to
21:57
Speaker 4: Camber now we can catch up with the Shadow Immigration
21:59
Speaker 4: Minister Paul scar who joins us now.
22:01
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. Paul.
22:02
Speaker 4: The the alb and Easy Labor government promised it would
22:05
Speaker 4: reduce immigration into this country, but announcing today that the
22:09
Speaker 4: permanent migration rate for the coming year will be exactly
22:13
Speaker 4: the same as last year one hundred and eighty five
22:16
Speaker 4: thousand people. Is that too high and at what level
22:20
Speaker 4: would the coalition set it?
22:23
Speaker 13: Well, I think Chris, the question is what is a
22:25
Speaker 13: sustainable long term level. And when we're talking about immigration,
22:29
Speaker 13: we've got a bear in mind. We've got the permanent
22:31
Speaker 13: migration intake which is set, as you said, for this
22:35
Speaker 13: year at one hundred and eighty five thousand. Then you've
22:37
Speaker 13: got net overseas migration and that net.
22:42
Speaker 3: Let me jump in temporary holders, Yeah, let me jump
22:45
Speaker 3: in from Yeah.
22:45
Speaker 4: We know that's a different figure, and in some ways
22:47
Speaker 4: the more important figure and other factors come in how
22:50
Speaker 4: many students we let in, how many people leave.
22:53
Speaker 3: Et cetera, exactly. But we have a rock solid.
22:55
Speaker 4: Figure now of one hundred and eighty five in permanent migration.
22:59
Speaker 4: Does the coal support that number or would you suggest
23:02
Speaker 4: it needs to be lower now? And at what rate
23:06
Speaker 4: should it be now?
23:08
Speaker 13: Well, Chris, at the last selection, we took policies which
23:11
Speaker 13: provided a calibration or recalibration of our permanent migration intake
23:18
Speaker 13: for this year in the next two years, and those
23:21
Speaker 13: rates were less than what the government has announced this
23:24
Speaker 13: year for the permanent migration intake. We're looking at our
23:27
Speaker 13: policies and we'll be looking to come up with a
23:29
Speaker 13: series of figures that make sense.
23:32
Speaker 3: What was that number in future? What was that number
23:34
Speaker 3: for this year and do you stand by it?
23:37
Speaker 13: Well, the number we had was one hundred and forty
23:40
Speaker 13: thousand and then increasing back to one hundred and sixty thousand.
23:43
Speaker 13: So the question is, when you're looking at the permanent
23:46
Speaker 13: migration intake, you've got to bear in mind the fifty
23:49
Speaker 13: percent of approximately fifty percent of the people who are
23:53
Speaker 13: applying for these permanent visas or getting granted these permanent
23:56
Speaker 13: visas actually already reside in the country. So I think,
24:00
Speaker 13: I really do think the net overseas migration figure is
24:04
Speaker 13: the most important figure when we look at it. Sure,
24:07
Speaker 13: but this is where the government has been widely, wildly
24:10
Speaker 13: off track in terms of its full casts.
24:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been nowhere near, nowhere near what they promised.
24:15
Speaker 4: But you're saying now your figure of permanent migration would
24:18
Speaker 4: be forty five thousand people a year lower than what
24:21
Speaker 4: the government announced today. You will be one forty what
24:24
Speaker 4: I've gone for one eighty five.
24:25
Speaker 13: What I'm saying is, those were the policies we took
24:29
Speaker 13: to the last election.
24:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, everything's up, we can use that. Yeah all right,
24:34
Speaker 3: but you can't.
24:35
Speaker 13: Those are the policies we took to the last week.
24:36
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but let's have a conversation in this country.
24:39
Speaker 4: We kept the whole conversation of this country have to
24:42
Speaker 4: stop for the next two years while the Liberal Party
24:45
Speaker 4: and the NETS do a review of every policy.
24:47
Speaker 3: You've got to actually stand for something now.
24:49
Speaker 4: So it was one forty, but apparently you're saying you
24:52
Speaker 4: don't now tell us what you.
24:53
Speaker 3: Say about NIRU.
24:55
Speaker 4: The government now the Labor government now saying it will
24:57
Speaker 4: deport criminal non citizens to Nharu.
25:00
Speaker 3: Does the coalition support that.
25:03
Speaker 13: We support the arrangement which has been proposed in relation
25:06
Speaker 13: to NARU. And when we support that arrangement, we note
25:11
Speaker 13: that the federal government has made appalling mistakes in terms
25:15
Speaker 13: of the management of this n ZYQ cohort. And we've
25:18
Speaker 13: seen a failure by the government to apply for any
25:21
Speaker 13: preventative detention orders under legislation that was passed by the
25:25
Speaker 13: Parliament with the intention that we're giving the government the
25:28
Speaker 13: power to apply for preventative detention orders, community security orders,
25:33
Speaker 13: community safety orders, and the government simply hasn't made one
25:36
Speaker 13: single application.
25:38
Speaker 3: At least you support the move our policy.
25:41
Speaker 4: At least you support the move now, being you're not
25:43
Speaker 4: a hypocritical Labor who have opposed NU all along and
25:47
Speaker 4: now jump on board. Thanks for joining us, Paul, I
25:49
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Paul scar there the shadow Immigration Minister. First
25:53
Speaker 4: time I've interviewed him. But I tell you what I
25:55
Speaker 4: know about you. But I'm already starting to get very,
25:58
Speaker 4: very tired of the opposition and saying everything's under the review.
26:01
Speaker 3: They don't have any policies.
26:03
Speaker 4: Their policy was a permanent migration in take of one
26:06
Speaker 4: forty thousand people this year. Now they're not even sticking
26:10
Speaker 4: by that, even though the government's gone for one eighty five.
26:12
Speaker 4: What do we have to How long do we have
26:13
Speaker 4: to wait so they actually take a stand on something,
26:16
Speaker 4: have a policy.
26:18
Speaker 3: I think the time is now. We've got to take
26:20
Speaker 3: a break. On the other side, we're going to catch.
26:21
Speaker 4: Up with these three Scottish brothers who rode from South
26:24
Speaker 4: Americus to Australia.
26:26
Speaker 3: Fair thinkhm the whole way. They'll join me live. Well,
26:34
Speaker 3: how about this for a challenge.
26:35
Speaker 4: Three Scottish brothers have set a record completing the first
26:39
Speaker 4: unsupported row across the Pacific Ocean. You and Jamie and
26:44
Speaker 4: Lachlan MacLean spent one hundred and thirty nine days at sea,
26:48
Speaker 4: traveling fourteen thousand kilometers from Leemla in Peru to Cairns
26:54
Speaker 4: in North Queensland. Of course, raising more than a million
26:56
Speaker 4: dollars along the way for clean water projects in Madagascar.
27:00
Speaker 4: As you can imagine, it wasn't all smooth sailing or rowing.
27:04
Speaker 3: That is, you is having a.
27:06
Speaker 14: Shower was shut up in my eyes cantaxy like it's
27:11
Speaker 14: right in my eyes.
27:13
Speaker 3: Ah, amazing stuff.
27:16
Speaker 4: They powered on though, and here's the moment they finally
27:19
Speaker 4: spotted Terra firma.
27:21
Speaker 14: We've been at c now for one hundred and thirty
27:25
Speaker 14: nine days and nights.
27:30
Speaker 2: And well, I have a look over that voice.
27:37
Speaker 8: That is a straight.
27:44
Speaker 3: That's Australia.
27:45
Speaker 8: How do we feel boys?
27:47
Speaker 10: Well, special moment, Oh my god son, finally saying into land,
27:52
Speaker 10: not into the sea.
27:53
Speaker 15: Give me a pizza, pizza and a beer, please, pizza.
28:00
Speaker 4: Well, you and Jamie and Lachlan joined me live in
28:02
Speaker 4: the studio, and did you get your pizza and beer?
28:05
Speaker 14: We've got the pizza, We've got the beer. We just
28:07
Speaker 14: keep doing rounds with them. It's been great.
28:09
Speaker 3: How you and I can I start at the end here?
28:12
Speaker 4: Just tell me what it felt like actually getting on
28:15
Speaker 4: to land after this, knowing that you completed this.
28:17
Speaker 2: It's pretty wobbly, to be honest.
28:19
Speaker 10: You still got your sea legs and these boats are
28:22
Speaker 10: so small and really sugly, and as soon as you
28:23
Speaker 10: stand on something firm, I think your body is like compensating,
28:26
Speaker 10: so you're just like swaying around as if you've had
28:29
Speaker 10: too many beers.
28:29
Speaker 8: But it's what an amazing moment.
28:32
Speaker 10: I mean it's such a huge amount of time to
28:34
Speaker 10: spend at sea, but a long time in the training
28:36
Speaker 10: as well.
28:37
Speaker 8: Yeah.
28:37
Speaker 10: To finally get there, stand on land with all our
28:39
Speaker 10: friends and family there, Wow, what an amazing moment.
28:42
Speaker 3: So I go back to the start then, Lachlan, Why.
28:46
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, so the mission with this project is
28:49
Speaker 16: trying to raise a million pounds for two million Aussie
28:52
Speaker 16: dollars for clean water projects.
28:54
Speaker 4: Now let me jump in there. That's a great, great
28:56
Speaker 4: aim and you're raising the money, but there's there's a
28:59
Speaker 4: million different Why raise money?
29:01
Speaker 3: Why rolling across the Pacific?
29:03
Speaker 2: Yeah?
29:03
Speaker 16: I mean so it was following on five years ago
29:05
Speaker 16: we did an Atlantic crossing YEP, and we raised a
29:08
Speaker 16: decent amount of money for clean water projects. And then
29:11
Speaker 16: off the back of that we went out to Madagascar.
29:13
Speaker 16: We saw those projects and you know, we decided we
29:16
Speaker 16: had to do something else. And we knew that, you know,
29:19
Speaker 16: going across the big ocean, we'd be able to raise
29:21
Speaker 16: some money.
29:21
Speaker 2: So we looked at a world atlas, you.
29:23
Speaker 16: Know, biggest ocean out there, the Pacific, So do the
29:26
Speaker 16: biggest thing we could to raise as much money as
29:28
Speaker 16: we could.
29:29
Speaker 4: Now, it's an incredible journey and you're obviously well prepared.
29:32
Speaker 4: I heard you doing radio interviews from the middle of
29:35
Speaker 4: the Pacific, so you got your solar panels there, but.
29:38
Speaker 3: No touching of land.
29:39
Speaker 4: Were you able to replunce supplies at any stage along
29:42
Speaker 4: the journey.
29:42
Speaker 8: Jot, No, not at all.
29:43
Speaker 14: I mean it's it's NonStop and it's completely unsupported. So
29:46
Speaker 14: once you leave, that's you until you touch land again.
29:50
Speaker 4: So you had a lot of de hydridded foods, I presume,
29:52
Speaker 4: and were you catching fish along the way.
29:54
Speaker 14: Yeah, so it's like space food. You know, it's freeze
29:57
Speaker 14: dried rations, a lot of which we made back home
29:59
Speaker 14: in Scotland.
30:00
Speaker 8: So so hoom cooks freeze dried rations.
30:01
Speaker 14: You had boiling water and that rehydrates it, and then
30:04
Speaker 14: we supplemented that with a few fish.
30:06
Speaker 8: You in court a massive wahoo.
30:08
Speaker 14: That was the size of him, and then we I mean, yeah,
30:11
Speaker 14: then we kind of over index on wahoo for days and.
30:14
Speaker 3: You're actually wronging.
30:15
Speaker 4: There's someone on Dick like twenty four to seven the
30:18
Speaker 4: whole journey Europe.
30:19
Speaker 10: That's right, Yeah, NonStop, So we tended to do two
30:23
Speaker 10: on on the oars and then one resting as a
30:25
Speaker 10: rotation during the day, and then when it got to
30:28
Speaker 10: kind of nighttime, so from about about eight pm through
30:31
Speaker 10: to about five thirty in the morning it just be
30:33
Speaker 10: one person and wid split the night.
30:35
Speaker 8: Third.
30:36
Speaker 4: Now, it's pretty dangerous out there, and I know you
30:39
Speaker 4: were hoping to finish in Sydney. The reason you finished
30:42
Speaker 4: in keynsas because various cyclones of well, they kept pushing
30:44
Speaker 4: you further and further north. Lachlan tell us about the
30:48
Speaker 4: hiious moments on the trip.
30:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:50
Speaker 16: I mean, so we got caught up in an anticyclone
30:52
Speaker 16: about two thirds of the way through and I was
30:55
Speaker 16: actually swept.
30:55
Speaker 2: Overboard in that storm.
30:57
Speaker 3: Were you tathered?
30:58
Speaker 2: I was caathered?
30:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:59
Speaker 2: So it was at the start of a night shift.
31:01
Speaker 16: I was about to get into the cabin to go
31:04
Speaker 16: for a sleep, and yeah, this big rogue wave came
31:07
Speaker 16: in from the side, twenty foot wave and just totally
31:09
Speaker 16: nailed me, took took me over.
31:11
Speaker 2: I was trailing behind the boat.
31:13
Speaker 16: You unfortunately was up so what happened and just reacted
31:15
Speaker 16: really quickly and managed to get me back on board.
31:18
Speaker 2: But so that was that was pretty scary.
31:20
Speaker 16: We we had another cyclone that we had to avoid
31:23
Speaker 16: towards the end, so we were we were hoping to
31:25
Speaker 16: be here, you know, like a month ago, but because
31:29
Speaker 16: of that cyclone, we had to go up around New Caledonia.
31:32
Speaker 16: It kind of put put another five hundred miles on
31:34
Speaker 16: the clock. And yeah, we had to avoid that cyclone.
31:37
Speaker 16: Hunker and yeah, shelter from the storm for a bit
31:40
Speaker 16: as well.
31:40
Speaker 4: Incredible and apart from female company, what did you miss
31:43
Speaker 4: the most?
31:44
Speaker 14: I mean, yeah, there's the pizza, there's a beer, warm showers, beds.
31:49
Speaker 8: With clean sheets. We've done all that, thankfully.
31:52
Speaker 14: Everything we missed everything, fruit, fresh fruit, veg, home everything.
31:56
Speaker 3: Now I've got two brothers. I don't know how the
31:59
Speaker 3: hell will the three of us.
32:00
Speaker 4: We've got one hundred and thirty nine days hed, the
32:03
Speaker 4: arguments go, who who won the debates?
32:06
Speaker 10: To be honest, being three, it's pretty good because you
32:09
Speaker 10: always if if there's a decision to be made, you
32:12
Speaker 10: just like, you know, it's a majority rule and you
32:14
Speaker 10: go with that. And we're pretty good at you know,
32:16
Speaker 10: in that environment, you've just got to kind of make
32:18
Speaker 10: the decision and move on and even if you don't
32:19
Speaker 10: agree with it, it's kind of it's the safest thing
32:22
Speaker 10: just to kind of move.
32:24
Speaker 8: On and not hold any grudges.
32:25
Speaker 2: So we're pretty good.
32:26
Speaker 10: We had the old brotherly kind of tiff, but mostly
32:29
Speaker 10: it was it was all smooth sailing.
32:31
Speaker 4: And do you follow a soccer team or something back
32:33
Speaker 4: in Scotland?
32:34
Speaker 3: Did you arrive to any news?
32:36
Speaker 8: Nothing? I mean missed out on Scottish rugby team.
32:38
Speaker 14: They were actually playing Fiji as we were in past
32:41
Speaker 14: but we could stop.
32:42
Speaker 8: Yeah, so we listened to it on the radio, but
32:44
Speaker 8: that was about it.
32:45
Speaker 4: Well, you got to get into the Gussie rules while
32:46
Speaker 4: you're here, and they had like tries against Collingwood.
32:48
Speaker 3: On the Thursday night. Tell us what's next?
32:51
Speaker 4: Obviously a bit of our and our in Australia and
32:54
Speaker 4: will deserve. But do you have plans for another adventure,
32:57
Speaker 4: another fundraising adventure?
32:59
Speaker 2: Yeah?
33:00
Speaker 16: I mean so we're kind of about eighty seven percent
33:03
Speaker 16: of the way with our fundraising target of two million
33:06
Speaker 16: Aussie dollars right, So the focus now is, you know,
33:08
Speaker 16: to hit that target razed.
33:10
Speaker 2: We've got three hundred dollars to go, We've.
33:11
Speaker 4: Got the we've got the website up there on the
33:14
Speaker 4: screen for anybody if you want to jump on and
33:15
Speaker 4: help out.
33:16
Speaker 16: Yeah, and Adam McLain brothers on social media and yeah.
33:20
Speaker 16: So once we hit that kind of going into the
33:22
Speaker 16: new year, I think we'll be going out to Madagascar
33:24
Speaker 16: and actually visiting some of the real projects and bring
33:27
Speaker 16: it to life. You know, so many people from around
33:29
Speaker 16: the world have supported so we want to kind of
33:31
Speaker 16: show where that money is going and the impact is having.
33:33
Speaker 16: And then the boat's going to get shipped back to
33:35
Speaker 16: Scotland and we'll be holding onto it.
33:37
Speaker 2: We will spend some time.
33:38
Speaker 16: On land, you know, otherwise I don't thin any of
33:40
Speaker 16: us will have a girlfriend by the end of it,
33:42
Speaker 16: and then you know there might be some rowing rowing
33:44
Speaker 16: to come.
33:45
Speaker 4: Great staff, well, fantastic to meet you and congratulations on
33:49
Speaker 4: the adventure.
33:50
Speaker 3: It's a feat in itself, but.
33:51
Speaker 4: Obviously the work you're doing for METAGESCA along the way
33:54
Speaker 4: is brilliant. You and Jamie and Laughlin, thanks so much.
33:57
Speaker 4: We're going to take a break, guys. On the other
33:59
Speaker 4: side of it, I'm going to catch up with the
34:00
Speaker 4: Iranian Australian academic who's got to talk about Iran's global
34:05
Speaker 4: terrorism and how it's affected us here in Australia.
34:07
Speaker 8: Don't go wait.
34:12
Speaker 3: This time.
34:12
Speaker 4: Last week, as you'll recall, the country was reeling after
34:15
Speaker 4: revelations from ASIO that Iran was behind anti Semitic terrorist
34:19
Speaker 4: attacks in Australia. The Islamic Republic of Iran and its
34:23
Speaker 4: Revolutionary Guards Court was linked to the Adas Synagogue fire
34:27
Speaker 4: in Melbourne in December last year and the fire bombing
34:31
Speaker 4: of Akosher Delhi in Sydney's Bondai the previous month. The
34:35
Speaker 4: Albanezi government had been urged to list the Revolutionary Guards
34:39
Speaker 4: Corps as a terrorist group and expelled the ambassador for
34:42
Speaker 4: the past couple of years, and then it did just
34:45
Speaker 4: that last week. Doctor Saba Vesefi was forced to flee
34:50
Speaker 4: Iran in twenty ten. She's a journalistic and academic expert
34:54
Speaker 4: on state violence at the University of Sydney and she
34:58
Speaker 4: joins me in the studio.
35:00
Speaker 3: Great to have you on the show.
35:01
Speaker 4: Saba tell us about this news when it was first announced.
35:06
Speaker 4: Presumably this wouldn't have surprised you, the role of Iran's
35:09
Speaker 4: revolutionarygard in these attacks in Australia.
35:12
Speaker 17: I think whenever we are examining any kind of dehumanization
35:19
Speaker 17: by the Islamic state in Iran, we need to acknowledge
35:23
Speaker 17: that we are referring to theocratic, totalitarian and fundamentalist regime
35:29
Speaker 17: that systematically and historically they have destroyed all human and
35:38
Speaker 17: moral values in order to sustain their power. But what
35:42
Speaker 17: is shocking why some of the Western politicians chose to
35:48
Speaker 17: appease them rather than challenge them and subvert them.
35:51
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of appeasing of Iran over many years.
35:54
Speaker 4: We could talk about Barack Obama and Joe Biden, but
35:56
Speaker 4: other countries, and I think Australia has been very slow
35:59
Speaker 4: to actor. And when we knew Iran was behind the
36:02
Speaker 4: October the seventh Hamas attacks and when around was attacking Israel,
36:06
Speaker 4: we still had our government not taking any action against Iran.
36:09
Speaker 4: But why would Iran want to commit any Semitic attacks
36:14
Speaker 4: in Australia? Why would they want to stir up any
36:16
Speaker 4: Semitism in this country?
36:20
Speaker 17: The state sponsored terrorist attack plots which happened in Australia,
36:28
Speaker 17: they are not isolated cases.
36:30
Speaker 7: They are part of the.
36:31
Speaker 17: Regime, border less of state terrorism machinery. It has been
36:37
Speaker 17: well documented that the Islamica state in Iran has carried
36:42
Speaker 17: out over three hundred and sixty assassinations. Assassinations plot attack
36:48
Speaker 17: and the most important case for example happening in Argentina.
36:53
Speaker 7: Then they which is very well known, to.
37:00
Speaker 17: Bombing attack in Amah which they killed over.
37:04
Speaker 4: I think at has been shocking examples and other cases
37:08
Speaker 4: of dissidence being assassinated. But why a deliberate attempt to
37:12
Speaker 4: stir up anti Jew hatred in Australia.
37:18
Speaker 17: It is not limited to Jews, it's their pattern of behavior.
37:23
Speaker 17: They annihilate and they eliminate and they silence all people
37:29
Speaker 17: who oppose them. But if getting back to the historical fact,
37:34
Speaker 17: the founder of Islamic Revolution, ruh La Homine.
37:38
Speaker 7: Is hatred from Israel.
37:42
Speaker 17: Began even before the victory of Islamic Revolution because Israel
37:47
Speaker 17: was supporting the Shah right.
37:49
Speaker 7: That's why.
37:50
Speaker 17: And I think Hominy was a professional manipulator and Makievel and.
37:59
Speaker 7: You know, just person with this extreme obsession to.
38:03
Speaker 17: Become a global Shia leader, which that obsession motivated him
38:10
Speaker 17: to exhaust all the avenues and all the side And
38:14
Speaker 17: if you have a look at the facts existing fact
38:18
Speaker 17: how he exploited everyone.
38:19
Speaker 7: I think all the states across the world.
38:23
Speaker 17: During Iran Iraq war, he got weapons from Israel and
38:28
Speaker 17: then he constructed terrorists has Bulah in Lebanon in order
38:34
Speaker 17: to expand his wings of influence and interference.
38:40
Speaker 7: Among or Muslim world.
38:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stretched to sonny groups too with Hamas.
38:46
Speaker 4: But how much seifer would the Middle East be if
38:50
Speaker 4: Iran stopped exploring terrorism through his Bala through the three Hamas.
38:58
Speaker 17: Yeah, I was going to give you some example how
39:01
Speaker 17: they are colluding with their proxies like Hamas as a
39:06
Speaker 17: terrorist organization.
39:10
Speaker 7: Hisbel law in Lebanon because.
39:12
Speaker 17: During the war between Iran and Iraq, when Iranians were
39:16
Speaker 17: under the rocket of Iraq while the Palestinian leaders supported
39:20
Speaker 17: Iraq while the regime got the weapon from Israel, and
39:25
Speaker 17: then they sent Homeni sent all the forces and sources
39:29
Speaker 17: to Hezbola in Lebanon to support them in their fight
39:33
Speaker 17: with Israel. However, anti Semitism after Romany during the leadership
39:41
Speaker 17: of the second on elected Supreme Leader in Iran become
39:44
Speaker 17: more visible because Homony Ali Homene is referring to historical
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Speaker 17: claim that Jews did not capitulate to profit of Islam Mohammad,
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Speaker 17: therefore they are most dangerous enemy of Islam and Muslim
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Speaker 17: them and they funded all the argument about to propagate
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Speaker 17: the idea that all the Jews are corrupt globe by
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Speaker 17: corrupt and deceptive.
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Speaker 3: She's shocking and dangerous.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and another danger that can tread.
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Speaker 17: It can be considered as a serious threat for Jews
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Speaker 17: because how many considered all the Jews categories all the
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Speaker 17: Jews who are living in Israel as a Zionist. That's
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Speaker 17: why he keep calling the abolition of Israel and annihilation
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Speaker 17: all the Jews in Israel.
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Speaker 3: Shocking stuff.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for your insights, Saba, You've lived it and you
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Speaker 4: continue to deliver it.
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Speaker 3: As an Iranian Australian, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Stop the Saba of the SETI who's academic at the
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Speaker 4: University of Sydney.
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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break. On the other side
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Speaker 3: of that, we'll catch up.
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Speaker 4: With Susio Brian and Stephen Senny Tiampire has lots to
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Speaker 4: talk about, including this immigration debate and Labour's permanent rate.
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Speaker 4: Let's get to our Tuesday panel now with Suzio O'Brien,
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Speaker 4: whose News Corps National Education Editor and Radio two Double
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Speaker 4: C Breakfast hosts Steven Senna, Tiempo and Camera.
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Speaker 3: Thanks both for joining us.
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Speaker 4: Let's start on the serious issue of the national migration debate, Susie.
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Speaker 4: You know, Labour keeps saying they're going to reduce migration.
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Speaker 4: I know a lot of numbers matter here, especially the
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Speaker 4: net migration numbers that got up to over half a million.
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Speaker 4: Going back a couple of years, Labor has led in
41:27
Speaker 4: about a million people in net terms over a two
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Speaker 4: year period.
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Speaker 3: But they're telling us today that they'll.
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Speaker 4: Keep the permanent migration intake at one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 4: five thousand, the same number it was last year.
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Speaker 3: That's not going to go down too well with people,
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Speaker 3: is it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 18: It certainly flies in the face of the undertakings that
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Speaker 18: they were making about a year ago. And in the
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Speaker 18: last twelve months we've had four hundred and forty six
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Speaker 18: thousand net migration into this country. And I think people
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Speaker 18: are saying, you know, we don't want to buy into
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Speaker 18: some of the racist rhetoric, and we need migrants, a
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Speaker 18: lot of them to do jobs that bussies don't want
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Speaker 18: to do, and half of them are international students.
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Speaker 6: But there has to be a.
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Speaker 18: Balance, and I feel like a lot of people feel
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Speaker 18: that this is out of balance at the moment and
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Speaker 18: the government's doing nothing about it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and Stephen, I'm always a pro migration
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Speaker 4: and I'm a bit of a big Australia guy too,
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Speaker 4: but it's got to be controlled, it's got to be organized,
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Speaker 4: and your numbers need to be realistic. And there's just
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Speaker 4: a sense that, well, the numbers have been record numbers
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years and there's no.
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Speaker 3: Evidence that Labour's doing anything to hauld them in.
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Speaker 15: Stephen, Well, Chris, with a name like Senatiempo, I think
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Speaker 15: you'd imagine that I'm actually pro migration. But it's as
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Speaker 15: you say, it's got to be managed and it's got
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Speaker 15: to be a sensible intake. But I think the problem
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Speaker 15: we've got now is we've got a government that largely
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Speaker 15: ran an election campaign on scare campaigns lies.
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Speaker 2: This was one of them.
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Speaker 15: We're going to reduce the permanent migration rate. They're now
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Speaker 15: not going to do that, but it's become a Ponzi
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Speaker 15: scheme for them. I mean, they can't afford not to
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Speaker 15: bring these people into the country because it's the only
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Speaker 15: thing propping up GDP and making Jim Chalmers figures look good.
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Speaker 15: But when you got Tony Burke as the Immigration Minister,
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Speaker 15: one of the main beneficiaries of importing labor voters in
43:09
Speaker 15: his part of Western Sydney. It's a two pronged approach
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Speaker 15: now where they just cannot afford not to bring these
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Speaker 15: people into the country because it's propping up their vote
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Speaker 15: and propping up their economic credentials, so to speak.
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Speaker 4: Now, the trouble is that the extremists poisoned this debate
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Speaker 4: and they are now enable the left then to sort
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Speaker 4: of discredit the debate and say anyone who wants to
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Speaker 4: talk about reduced or managed migration is in bed with
43:31
Speaker 4: the extremists. And one of the clowns, one of the
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Speaker 4: neo Nazi extremists, who was out and about on the weekend,
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Speaker 4: actually heckled the Victorian premier just into Allen today.
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Speaker 3: His name is Thomas Sewell, have a look, why don't.
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Speaker 2: You think Australia should have the right to protest?
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Speaker 5: They just don't get your.
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Speaker 2: Hands on it.
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Speaker 3: He just said to Alan, why don't you think of me?
43:55
Speaker 3: You don't have a white you don't have a hands
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 7: I just said, Alan, why do not Australians to the
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Speaker 7: right to protest?
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Speaker 2: Why do nott Australians of the right to protest? Why
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Speaker 2: do you want to ban us for protesting.
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Speaker 17: Shouldn't we have the right to speak in our own country?
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Speaker 3: You cowed? Shouldn't we have the right to speak in
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Speaker 3: our countins?
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Speaker 8: Now?
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Speaker 4: I don't like to give the guy any publicity, but
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Speaker 4: I needed to mention it because there's so much news
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Speaker 4: coverage of it today I didn't want to ignore it.
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Speaker 4: He's now facing charges over alleged allegations of an incident
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Speaker 4: that occurred after the protests on Sunday, So.
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Speaker 3: We'll let the courts deal with that.
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Speaker 4: But it's important we just put those extremists to one
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Speaker 4: side and the rest of us have a sensible debate
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Speaker 4: about immigration and the issues around it. So let's move
44:37
Speaker 4: on to another issue. This is a good one for you, Susie.
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Speaker 4: Our old mate, Nicholas Reese, the Lord Mayor of Melbourne,
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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars of rate payers money
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Speaker 4: to educate sex workers about financial management. Now, you know,
44:51
Speaker 4: if there's one thing a prostitute, no, I think it's
44:54
Speaker 4: how to turn a buck.
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Speaker 3: Surely they've worked that out.
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Speaker 18: I would think most of the sex workers would say,
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Speaker 18: just give us the money, right, they give us the education. Really, however,
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Speaker 18: I mean this just goes to show what a joke
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Speaker 18: this council is. Even counselors who are elected are saying
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Speaker 18: we need to rain in some of this outrageous grant spending.
45:17
Speaker 18: Last year they gave two hundred thousand dollars to an
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Speaker 18: indigenous group to make up their mind about the voice, Like,
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Speaker 18: come on, and you know the counsel itself is twenty
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Speaker 18: five million dollars in the like losing money, and so
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Speaker 18: I can't really be affording to propping up the financial
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Speaker 18: literacy of sex workers or anyone else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just to.
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Speaker 4: Waste the money, and they always waste other people's money. Steven,
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Speaker 4: I've got to get your thoughts on this really troubling
45:46
Speaker 4: story and difficult story in New South Wales where a
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Speaker 4: convicted sex offender who was supposed to send thirty years
45:53
Speaker 4: in jail was suffering a terminal illness and has been
45:58
Speaker 4: given I suppose the writings access to voluntary assisted.
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Speaker 3: Dying in custody.
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Speaker 4: A lot of people saying he should have had to
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Speaker 4: endure a painful death.
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Speaker 3: I suppose what's your view on that.
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Speaker 15: Look, I'm philosophically opposed to assisted dying or ethan asia
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Speaker 15: as we used to call it, in the old days.
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Speaker 15: So I guess you know I approach that from this position,
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Speaker 15: But you know, I mean, surely, if we are going
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Speaker 15: to offer voluntary assisted dying to people, it should be
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Speaker 15: law of binding citizens. And I'm not suggesting he should
46:29
Speaker 15: die a painful death. I mean, we've got to be humane.
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Speaker 15: But palliative care has come a long way in the
46:35
Speaker 15: last twenty or thirty years. I mean, surely he could
46:37
Speaker 15: have seen out his days rather than effectively be given
46:42
Speaker 15: a discount on any sentence.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just such a difficult one, but you would
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Speaker 4: have thought. You would have thought he's got to have access.
46:49
Speaker 4: People who are prisoners are going to get access to
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Speaker 4: the same medical.
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Speaker 3: Care that anyone else would. But I can understand the debate.
46:56
Speaker 4: Let me finish on a lighter note, although in essence
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Speaker 4: it's quite troubling. You were just referring to SUSI to
47:02
Speaker 4: broken promises from this government. But the Prime Minister was
47:06
Speaker 4: in your states on Friday in Balleradi.
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Speaker 3: He said he doesn't do bs. Let's have a look
47:11
Speaker 3: at how he's going.
47:13
Speaker 1: But I like bullshit.
47:14
Speaker 5: People cutting power bills by two hundred and seventy five
47:18
Speaker 5: dollars by twenty twenty five.
47:21
Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
47:23
Speaker 5: A better future with real plants. To address is the
47:27
Speaker 5: cost of living, but I like bullshit people. The cheapest
47:30
Speaker 5: form of new energy is renewables.
47:33
Speaker 1: But I like bullshit people.
47:35
Speaker 5: We have a plan to build one point two million
47:38
Speaker 5: homes by the end of the.
47:39
Speaker 1: Decade, but I want bullshit people.
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Speaker 9: My labor team will work every day to bring Australians together.
47:48
Speaker 1: But I want bullshit people.
47:50
Speaker 5: You just need your Medicare card, not your credit card.
47:54
Speaker 1: But I want bullshit people.
47:56
Speaker 5: We are getting the numbers down, but I likete bullshit people.
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Speaker 3: I can't tell you. We haven't got much time left,
48:03
Speaker 3: so I just need.
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Speaker 4: A quick score out of ten for each of you
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Speaker 4: on the BS meter.
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Speaker 18: Susie, Well, I would say he's bullshitting when he says
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Speaker 18: he's not bullshiting, like absolutely eight out of ten for bullshit.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Stephen, Yeah, pardon my friends, but I've never seen
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Speaker 15: a bigger load of bullshit my life.
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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us, Steven and Susan will
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Speaker 4: see you.
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Speaker 2: See you next week.
48:27
Speaker 4: I think I think it's a phrase he never should
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Speaker 4: have up in that one, and we'll make sure he
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Speaker 4: remembers it now. I've got some feedback from some of
48:33
Speaker 4: you who saw those clips last night. Linda says, I
48:35
Speaker 4: can't understand how Albou gets away with all his lying.
48:38
Speaker 4: He needs to be held accountable for it. That's what
48:40
Speaker 4: we'll try and do. And Douglas says there was enough
48:43
Speaker 4: bs from Albow and Ballarat to fertilize the whole farming district.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, thanks for joining me. I won't be here tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: I've got to have a night off. Danika de Giorgio
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Speaker 3: will be here coming up next. Peter Quedlin