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7-24-26 Hour 1 Where are Nuggets ranked to start season · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: We are officially a week away from training camp.
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  Speaker 2: We will be there, Jesse.
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  Speaker 1: This is confirmed, right, We will be broadcasting next Friday
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  Speaker 1: from Dove Valley. That's Chris start yep, and we will
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  Speaker 1: see this new version. It's funny, I said, it's not
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  Speaker 1: really new. We'll see another version of the Denver Broncos as.
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  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this and you guys tell
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  Speaker 1: me this. You know, it's really weird. We have four
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  Speaker 1: major sports teams in this town that all play right
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  Speaker 1: next door to each other downtown Denver, and we're one
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  Speaker 1: of the few markets in the country that has the
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  Speaker 1: privilege of four major sports teams playing.
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  Speaker 2: In the same city.
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  Speaker 1: One team is the worst in their respective league, although
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  Speaker 1: more watchable than I think any of the previous three
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  Speaker 1: years in the Rockies, but they aren't going to carry
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: you over through this point in the calendar. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: Rockies are not going to say she eight your sports appetite.
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  Speaker 1: And this is right around the time I start to
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  Speaker 1: get that football itch, starting to think to myself, Man,
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  Speaker 1: in a month week zero, college football's coming, think I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: But three teams are all in championship contention in an
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  Speaker 1: entire offseason has gone by for each of them, and
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  Speaker 1: none of them have had really a fun off season.
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  Speaker 1: Most have dealt with departures more than acquisitions.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it.
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  Speaker 1: The Nuggets have dealt with the departures of Tim Hardaway
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  Speaker 1: Junior and Yonas Valanciunas with little to no acquisition outside
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  Speaker 1: of what Marvin Bagley. The Avs have dealt with departures
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  Speaker 1: of Val Nachushkin and Jack Dury in the addition of
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  Speaker 1: Jaden Schwartz. The Broncos have dealt with the departure of
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  Speaker 1: John Franklin Myers and the acquisition of Jalen Moadel. But
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been for a team that traditionally is in
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  Speaker 1: a championship window. That's when you start to make big moves.
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  Speaker 1: This has not been a big move off season for
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  Speaker 1: any of the teams. It's been, dare I say, kind
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  Speaker 1: of boring. And is that what's made this feel kind
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  Speaker 1: of long, this this gap in our calendar getting to
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  Speaker 1: training camp. Is that what it's been that we haven't
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  Speaker 1: had the fun sort of Hey, look at all the
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  Speaker 1: new things that we got in our run for a championship.
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  Speaker 2: That hasn't been happening. It's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Mark can I start here. Please, what the hell are
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  Speaker 3: you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I think it makes perfect, perfect sense. What's confusing about it?
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  Speaker 1: He's saying the off seasons for three teams here in
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  Speaker 1: this town that are all this close seemingly to winning championships,
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  Speaker 1: there's been no acquisition phase.
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  Speaker 3: Let any of them. Let me, Brett, let me let
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  Speaker 3: me try to relate to vic what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: because I think I get it. In my entire life.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been on a shopping spree. Now. My said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you just about a new car. It's not
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  Speaker 3: a shopping spree, idiot, It's because I needed a car.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you added things to the car, Like
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  Speaker 2: what added some accouterments to the car? You showed me.
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  Speaker 2: That's a spree.
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  Speaker 3: I put a new badge on it, I go on.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like I put you know, ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: worth of you know, racing wheels on it or something.
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  Speaker 3: I put a badge on it. Anyway, do you remember
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  Speaker 3: that TV show Supermarket Sweep?
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that show.
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  Speaker 3: My sister was on that show. She was on it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she did, as a contestant.
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  Speaker 2: She sucked.
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  Speaker 3: I think I forget Anyway, I've never been on a
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  Speaker 3: shopping spree. But I think what you're talking about is
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  Speaker 3: if you want that pep, you want that zip, you
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  Speaker 3: want that zoop zazz in the off season, it'd be
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  Speaker 3: better if your team had the ability to go to
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  Speaker 3: the st and buy the high end mustard.
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  Speaker 1: Well, isn't that what's happened throughout the course of industry
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  Speaker 1: instead of instead of like me drinking Mick Ultra, Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm on an all Heineken diet, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I'm on the Ultras now that's all
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  Speaker 3: I do. I'm on the Tommy Norris diet. See So,
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  Speaker 3: but I see what you're saying. You want if you
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  Speaker 3: want to be zippy and peppy and excited, you would
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  Speaker 3: want them to go and get a bunch of good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: If your team is good and you fall barely short
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  Speaker 1: of a championship, wouldn't you traditionally think that your team
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  Speaker 1: is going to be buying things in the offseason. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that typically where you'd go. You'd be like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we fall short. We need to add things to get better.
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  Speaker 1: And I think for each team here in town, they've
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  Speaker 1: kind of just like stayed the same or lost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're you know, you're in a salary cap sport,
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  Speaker 2: and you can't really add things. You can switch things,
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  Speaker 2: trade things, and not really add things beyond the salary cap.
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  Speaker 2: The Broncos, I think they understand that's a really good
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  Speaker 2: team that got bad luck in the most important game
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  Speaker 2: of the season. The Avs are a really good team
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  Speaker 2: that for some reason disappeared for a week in the
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  Speaker 2: most important juncture of the season. They're still a very
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  Speaker 2: good team. The Nuggets are a very good team that
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  Speaker 2: right now, financially, because of the restrictions, they can't do much.
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  Speaker 2: I think we know the answers to all three of
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  Speaker 2: those questions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's what I guess I'm I'm trying to get to.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is a new thing that's been
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  Speaker 1: happening in sports, because my whole at least childhood's if
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  Speaker 1: your team was good, you went out and got more
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  Speaker 1: good stuff because you were in a window to win.
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  Speaker 1: So you're like, all right, I'm gonna go keep buying
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  Speaker 1: and keep buying. I think maybe sports are changing now,
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  Speaker 1: and it's because of some of the reasons you mentioned, Vick.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll give you an example. Here's what I saw
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  Speaker 1: on ESPN dot com this morning, and off the top
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  Speaker 1: of your head, they have the NBA post off season
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  Speaker 1: power rankings.
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  Speaker 2: Where are the Nuggets?
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  Speaker 3: Give me an uh eleven? Let me think, think, No,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta be there's gotta be top ten, Yeah, gotta
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  Speaker 3: be top seventh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's your list. At number one, they have the
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder. At number two, they have the Spurs.
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  Speaker 1: At number three, is the defending champion New York Knicks.
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  Speaker 1: At number four is the Nuggets.
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  Speaker 3: Wow? That really that shocks me. That surprises me too,
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  Speaker 3: because what should be happening is people not really believing
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  Speaker 3: because they don't have Peyton Watson re signed and so
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  Speaker 3: on and so forth. But it's easy to recognize if
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  Speaker 3: this team is healthy, then this team can contend.
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  Speaker 1: And can I give you just a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: on this the three teams above them that they see
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  Speaker 1: as better than the Nuggets, and I think the Nuggets
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  Speaker 1: being at four is is unexpected. I'll say, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: with you, guys, I feel like seven to eight feels
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  Speaker 1: more appropriate. But here's Oklahoma City Thunder. Notable additions, nothing
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  Speaker 1: notable departures. Isaiah Joe, Aaron Wiggins, Lou Door Spurs notable
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  Speaker 1: additions Tobias Harris, notable departures none, The Knicks notable additions
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  Speaker 1: Andre Drummond, notable departures Mitchell Robinson. The Nuggets notable additions
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  Speaker 1: they have Tias Jones on here who was already on
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  Speaker 1: the thing. Notable departures, Hardaway and Valencionas all of these
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  Speaker 1: teams seemingly had more guys leave than come in, and
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  Speaker 1: the Nuggets being at four. I was thinking about this earlier.
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  Speaker 1: We've come up with a number of different reasons as
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  Speaker 1: to why the Nuggets having gotten back to twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three form. Right, It's injuries, It's maybe a lack of
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  Speaker 1: depth on the roster, It's a bunch of things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you've got to figure in hunger in
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  Speaker 3: there a little bit. You know, you've got to figure
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  Speaker 3: in attitude a little bit. I think it's a combination
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  Speaker 3: of things that all go together.
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  Speaker 1: Is this making it too easy? If I told you,
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  Speaker 1: if if I said the number one reason why the
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  Speaker 1: Nuggets haven't been back to the NBA Finals since twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty three is that Jamal Murray hasn't played well in
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  Speaker 1: the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: Is that Is that fair?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, It's not the only thing no do healthy in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: Right, in case you haven't been keeping up on current events,
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon has been hurt. Your power forward has not
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  Speaker 3: been able to play.
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  Speaker 1: There have been teams in the NBA Finals have won
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  Speaker 1: championships with hurt players.
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  Speaker 3: No, not like this, bro On, hang on, hang on?
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Can I make this?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely? Can? Can I make the case? Can I make
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  Speaker 3: whatever case you make? You're going to be a dumb case.
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  Speaker 3: I will put a hook in your face.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if this team is one right now.
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  Speaker 1: If Jamal Murray shoots thirty five percent from the floor,
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  Speaker 1: you aren't winning a playoff series.
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  Speaker 2: You're starting power forward misses most of the playoffs or
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  Speaker 2: misses the ball of the season and is in and
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  Speaker 2: out of the lineup. Your starting power forward your third
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  Speaker 2: best player, right, any team's third best player that misses that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of time, you're not winning a check. If one
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  Speaker 3: of your starting guards can't leap, you did not can't lose.
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  Speaker 3: You did not lose the Minnesota Timbolo series because Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Gordon was hurt, because so is Anthony Edwards and Dante
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  Speaker 3: deeven chance.
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  Speaker 2: You said though winning championships. New York Knicks won a
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  Speaker 2: championship because they were healthy at the right time. The
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  Speaker 2: year before that, Oklahoma City won a championship.
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  Speaker 3: They were healthy.
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  Speaker 2: The year before that, the Dinver Nuggets won a championship.
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  Speaker 3: They are healthy. The year before that.
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  Speaker 2: The Milwaukee who wasn't the year before that Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I miss Boston Celtics.
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  Speaker 3: They are Boston Celtics in Boston and Milwaukee before that. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I can go on and on and on here.
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  Speaker 2: These teams that have won championships recently have been healthy
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs stretch and in the most important games.
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  Speaker 2: That is the number one factor. Number one. That's that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also telling you Jamal Murray and the way that
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  Speaker 1: he's played the last three postseasons has not been to
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  Speaker 1: a standard that I think, even if healthy, the Nuggets
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  Speaker 1: would make the Chick.
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  Speaker 3: I don't disagree the most important fact.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: You want to you want to put that on the
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  Speaker 1: tippy top of the totem pole, then then fine, But
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  Speaker 1: that is a major thing. And what I can't square
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  Speaker 1: with that is, and this is what's weird, Jamal Murray
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  Speaker 1: did everything that was asked of him last year. Do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when he was pretty much called out at
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  Speaker 1: the end of last season about being in shape when
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  Speaker 1: the season starts and not working your way into it
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  Speaker 1: as the season goes along. Jamal Murray has erased a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic narrative that we have used and Nuggets fans have
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  Speaker 1: used in seemingly this entire Yokachra, which is he's never
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  Speaker 1: had an All Star teammate or an All NBA teammate.
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  Speaker 1: He raised both of those immediately last year. Why because
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  Speaker 1: he had the best year of his career, and yet
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  Speaker 1: when the postseason came around, Jamal shop thirty five percent
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  Speaker 1: from the floor, Like that's I just think it's an
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  Speaker 1: impossibility to win that way.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's more of an impossibility having your third
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  Speaker 2: best player and not play Give me a give me
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  Speaker 2: a team. Over the last eight years, eight different NBA champions.
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  Speaker 2: Name a team of those eight champions who won that
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  Speaker 2: championship despite not having their third best player. I challenge you,
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  Speaker 2: it's a challenge. Didn't Jadab miss some time?
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  Speaker 4: Not?
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  Speaker 2: No, they didn't last year and they didn't win this year.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what happened?
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  Speaker 3: They didn't win.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's I don't. I can't do it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't go through each one.
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  Speaker 3: I know the guys do it.
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  Speaker 1: Guys missed games in the postseason, Okay, maybe not the
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  Speaker 1: entire thing.
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  Speaker 2: You can't miss that many games with your third best
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  Speaker 2: player expect to win the championships.
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  Speaker 3: It's not possible.
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  Speaker 2: It's not possible. Everybody and everybody wants to dream and pretend. Well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody has to pick it up a notch. Do the
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  Speaker 2: Knicks win without Anenobi?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: The Knicks win without Anenoby?
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  Speaker 3: They absolutely do not.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Let's say Check gets hurt on their OKC run,
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  Speaker 2: do they win?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: Celtics. Who if Derek White gets hurt anywhere along that ride,
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  Speaker 2: do they win?
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: I can go all the way up and down the list.
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  Speaker 2: The most important factor is availability.
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  Speaker 3: I think what we're saying here since Vick and I
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  Speaker 3: seem to be on the same page. Look, I don't
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  Speaker 3: disagree with any of that either. And health is important, okay, fact,
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  Speaker 3: how good of a defender is there in Gordon Perry?
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  Speaker 3: You don't think You don't think missing that factor has
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  Speaker 3: something to do with it.
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  Speaker 2: One begets the other one begets. When you're when you
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  Speaker 2: when you don't have a fundamental piece of your core,
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  Speaker 2: they can gang up on another piece. You don't mean
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  Speaker 2: to tell me. For all you people chiming in, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not being an apologist. I've been as hard on the
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets as anybody. I'm the one who challenged their toughness
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  Speaker 2: after Jade mcgangils. In fact, I was playing golf with
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  Speaker 2: a couple of my friends yesterday and we reckon back
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  Speaker 2: to the to the Minnesota series. One of the guys
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  Speaker 2: is a huge Minnesota fan, and he said, man, when
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  Speaker 2: your team didn't respond to Jaden mcdangles and what he said,
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  Speaker 2: and all the Minnesota fans, he even admitted this to me.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, all of us in Minnesota are like, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe he just said that. He's just ruined the
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  Speaker 2: series for us, And when they didn't respond to what
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  Speaker 2: he said, he said, oh, well this series is over. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I get all that.
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  Speaker 2: I get all that, but you don't mean Jamal Murray
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  Speaker 2: has a better series and a better opportunity to score
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  Speaker 2: in that series. If everybody's healthy. That's the truth. That
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  Speaker 2: is true. Yeah, that's true, that's the true. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what else to tell you people. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: wants to say it's just a dumb excuse.
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  Speaker 3: It's not an excuse. I've got factual evidence.
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  Speaker 2: I just asked you all to go back eight years,
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  Speaker 2: eight different champions. Find me a champion that won an
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  Speaker 2: NBA Championship without its third best player. You can't. But
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  Speaker 2: Google search health is the most important fact.
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  Speaker 3: Let me let me do it for you. Speak speak
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  Speaker 3: looking for something on the Google.
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  Speaker 2: This is bread typing and five to nine O three
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  Speaker 2: writes exactly what I'm thinking, Kane, or don't overlook the
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  Speaker 2: fact that without Gordon, Murray wasn't nearly as free as
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  Speaker 2: he is with Gordon on the floor. And that accounts
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  Speaker 2: for everybody, not everybody, you know, when you have that
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  Speaker 2: extra weapon on the floor and Peyton Watson, it frees
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  Speaker 2: everybody else up. It's just human nature. I think it
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  Speaker 2: shows not as good unless all three of us are
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  Speaker 2: on it. Correct, correct when one of us is missing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Moser. He can't handle the pressure
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  Speaker 2: when one of us is missing.
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  Speaker 3: You're the Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Dante DiVincenzo was a starter for the Bucks in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: When they won, he was out for the entire postseason.
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  Speaker 2: Was he the third best player? I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they had what Chris Middleton, Bobby on.
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  Speaker 3: Holiday? Yeah, he was not the third best fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Chris STAPs porzingis for the Celtics in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't miss the entire postseason.
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  Speaker 3: He was in and out.
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  Speaker 2: They had he missed. He missed multiple games during the finals.
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  Speaker 3: They had a hold on a second Yannis Middleton Holiday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, they had Brook Bobby Porters. He's probably their.
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  Speaker 2: Fourth best starter, their fourth best.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, listen, look, I'm just giving you what what the
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  Speaker 3: results are.
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  Speaker 2: I I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna die in this syl then you know what
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not dying.
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  Speaker 3: I'm agreeing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like that the Nuggets underperformed.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Was I disappointed in the way the Nuggets reacted to
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  Speaker 2: being challenged publicly? Yes? Do I believe the Nuggets were
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  Speaker 2: also hurt by the fact that their third best player
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  Speaker 2: was out, of course, and that was the most important
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  Speaker 2: of those three factors. That's all. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: They all go hand in hand, they all work together.
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  Speaker 2: But number one is health. Number one is health.
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  Speaker 3: Who's the third best player on Boston when they won, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum.
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  Speaker 2: What have been against Derek Why? You can argue a Horford.
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  Speaker 2: You can argue again Drew Holliday. I mean they had
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes. That team was loaded.
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  Speaker 3: Porzingis only played three games in that finals and only
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  Speaker 3: twenty minutes apiece.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to have had three. I mean, listen, man,
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  Speaker 2: three games in that finals against it was Dallas. That
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  Speaker 2: was the year that Luca made it. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I don't disagree that injuries are a huge factor this,
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  Speaker 1: I will always I will also tell you that Jamal
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  Speaker 1: shooting it was thirty five percent last year, was forty
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: percent the year before that from the floor is also
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a big factor, because there is no denying this. When
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets did win, yes they were healthy, but Jamal
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Murray was every bit as important.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: To the team.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: He was, Yes he was, he was arguably an MVP.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: And yes, somebody says you're victual. What if they don't
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: have Gordon healthy next postseason, then then they're black, they'relack,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Then you're done.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not here telling you that he's magically going to
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: be healthy. I'm just giving you the obvious.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: If this team in.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: A razor's edge sport where you're up against the cap
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: at every position, if you don't have your starting five
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: healthy in the stretch run, you're not winning. If you've
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: use everybody, If you've got a left.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Winger who can't move, a center whose knee is blowed up,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you got another winger with a broken miss, you got
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: two defensemen with these and a third with a V
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and then another winger in the bottom six that's got
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: a that. I mean, these things add up, Brett, and
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: again Vic is right. The margins are so thin at
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that level, especially in like a West final like the Avs.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure, but certainly in a postseason against a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: tough opponent that's got your number in Minnesota. Now, it still.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Doesn't excuse injuries are a factor, and obviously you can't.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: It still ticks me off that even with those injuries,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: nobody did anything about. Jade McDaniel kissed me off to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that will And I've said this on this radio show
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: every day. I think for the last forty five days.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: That will tick me off for the rest of my life.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Three five.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Incidentally, we were on them really hard where they didn't.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, damn right, we were rightfully so, because you know why,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: you know why. Let's say I had this conversation. Let's
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: say the very first play, Jaden mcdangall goes up for
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a layup and somebody pops him in the face.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, just a hard foul.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He gets hurt, bloody. I'm not I'm not calling for
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: violence like all the Minnesota faith will think I was.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, send your message, like he said, is what
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: do you think the rest of the Do you think
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the rest of the NBA would say, Oh.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: My god, I can't believe they did that.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: How do you think the rest of the league would
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: have responded to that, would have accepted it, How would
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: they have responded every other fan base and every other team,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: They would have said, exactly what you're thinking right now. Well,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: the kid deserved it after what he said, right, So
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: if everybody would have responded that way, sorry Nuggets. Sorry,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: taking the high road was dumb.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can listen to us anywhere in the world
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in the altitude sports radio ap in his power. But
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the will Height Law Firm injury lawyer's gonna will Hepewinds
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: dot com. That's will Heightwinds dot com.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's frustrating to me. Okay, that's what
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you. It's frustrating. You frustrate me. I don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: frustrate you. You frustrate me.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I beg to differ.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Mostly just walked out in the middle of the break
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: by the way, said I got to it'll stop.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Stop for a second.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Let me set this store. I don't I don't care
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: about what you did. I have some responses for this,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: this text line.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: So what do you have to say?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you don't get anything.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you're gonna if you're gonna be a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: negative Nancy rude all day, then you don't get anything
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: from me.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You get'll be nice.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Tell me what happened. No, no, you don't get it.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: You don't get it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Now I'll tell them.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: No, I don't want to.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I pulled into the parking lot today and I thought that,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: oh my god, are we on remote? That I missed something?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Because I did not wreckon. I didn't see Brett's car
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and there's a rear. Oh his car is here. But
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: there's a reason I didn't recognize his car, and Vic,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: that's because it's really clean.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I gave it a wash, that's all. It is, going
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: about twice a year.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: He was still round before and now it's blue. The
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: silver wheels are actually silver, and I'm like, I've never
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: seen your car. I mean, I didn't recognize it. I'm
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: as long as you're in the trust tree. Yeah, can
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I give you this?
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Because we've had like every Friday off and for some reason,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Fridays and now I feel like Saturdays.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I woke up at my usual four to fifteen am
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: for no reason, right, the usual old man waking up
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: early for no reason, just sitting there going wind my up.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? For two hours? I went downstairs
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and watched the final episodes of Hawk with Will Ferrell,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: thinking that it was Saturday morning. You were watching your
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Saturday Morning cartoons. I'm sitting there watching television and then
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: my alarm goes off on my phone and I'm like,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: why is my alarm going off? It's Saturday.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Friday. I got a ride show. I love that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I had no idea where I was. And you know
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: who I blame for that, you people for making me
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: take Fridays off. And now for some reason, my body
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: felt it was a Saturday. Okay, that's this depth to
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: day you do your car. Anyway, his car, his rig
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: looks really good. Except the tires on that rig.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I don't care are they look and they're they're like
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: so great, they're almost white. They're just awful. So I
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: have this and I went out and I took care
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of his tires during the break.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Would you put some of that back?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: The wet look black? Yeah?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: The the thank you told him wet look.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: He says, I got something for your car, and I go, Moser,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I don't care about my car, but my car is
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: just it's literally in the literal sense, a vehicle to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: get me from Meaby, that's all last thing.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: The reason I'm here, the reason I have that is
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: because Katie nixt door. She bought this cute little ninety
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: nine Honted which is virtually perfect.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of detail.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Anyway, everything was. Everything about the car is great, except
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the tires again, were so graty. It looked almost you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of detail. I said, I'm gonna take care
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of your tires for you. I happened to have a
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: lot of your tires and a lot of detail well,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: mother truckers a lot of detail. During the next break,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: it's done. You go look in the next break and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: look at your car and tell me if it ain't better.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And if you say you don't care, I'm gonna slap
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: in the face.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I can. I'll preemptively say I don't care.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: What do you have next?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You guys done?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I've been done. I'm done.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: That was neat.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Nos, I've been done. Thanks for that update.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Well, don't say I never did nothing for you, because
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: if you were here, I'd do your.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Car too good. I'm gonna go spit on your car.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Jesus gone. All right.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: A couple a couple of texts I want to read
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: because I again I I shouldn't get fired up. This
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: is a debate show, opinion show, and entertainment show, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: we have fun at the end of the day's fun.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But I get fired up over some of these. So
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: we're talking about now gets didn't win, they were injured,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: they didn't respond when they had to. Guy writes it
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and says, man, you guys make a lot of excuses
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for the nuggets. Gordon was hurt all year, and then
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you he was broke. They rode this season with prayers
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: and hope instead of good play. Instead of good play,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: they were the fifty four games. They were the third
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: best team in the Western Conference instead of good play.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Behind the defending champions and the team that went to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the final.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Can I make his argument better than he made it?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Can I try to make it better than he made it? Yeah?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: When the Broncos losing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: The AFC Championship game because Bonnicks breaks his ankle the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: week beforehand, I think that's a lot more stomachable because
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, you were here, but you're losing
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: your quarterback and it's your quarterback. Here's what I think
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: people get tired of with the Nuggets, and I totally
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: get this. Yes, they're a fifty four win team. I'll
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: call it a little fraudulent because they won twelve straight
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, little fraudulent? Is that fair?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: A little bit? Okay? Fair?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Secondly, they've been.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Hurt every offseat or every postseason since they won the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: the entire thing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I think people are tired of that, and that they
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: weren't hurt the postseason after the championship there.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That's true, but the last two years remember you take okay,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: see to seven games. But Porter's got one shoulder, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Gordon's hurt and he's got the hamstring.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm just tired of it. It doesn't make it
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: not right that Texter. You could be tired of it,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and you could say play better, Okay, play better without
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: your third best player. Hey, just go play better.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But but Vic, it's it's the same thing that happens
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for oft injured players. You remember when the first reaction
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to Joel Embiid's injuries was sympathy and then it became
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: all right, dude, figure it out, Like players don't play.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's just that fatigue is setting in of like,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to keep hearing even if it's true
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that the injuries are the thing holding us back.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's what he's saying now. I want to
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: go back to the other argument I made, and I'm
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: tired of answering these questions. And Sean since to the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: show a lot, and I love the back and forth
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: with Sean. And I said when the when the Nuggets
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: failed to respond to McDaniel's public call out, that series
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: was over at that point. In my opinion, that's so
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: too Sean says, I'm sorry, you're wrong. Nuggets played bad
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: defense and they continue to play bad defense. Even if
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: they had punched him in the face, the outcome would
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: not have changed. They were too beat up and defense
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: lacked all season. I one hundred disagree with you. Their
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: defense was fine in that series. Defensively, look at the numbers.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: They couldn't score the ball, But defensive emotion. I don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: know how many times I have to say this emotion
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: is part of sports. When you take emotion away from sports,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you can go go play AI, go do your abs,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: go do all that, go play video games. Let me
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: sneeze real quick. Okay, it went away. So that emotional
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: charge when that happened, when you get publicly called out
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: and you do nothing about it, I believe that did
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: more inside than you think, for sure. And if you
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: don't see that, and my I follow by saying, have
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you ever played team sports? Because in team sports that
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: stuff matters.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And even we could get every single Nuggets player on
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the show today and they could say, you're a moron.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: We had nothing to do with it, and I would
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: still disagree with them.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: I would disagree to my dying day.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Sure, that's just you know what that was to me, Vick,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: That's one of those nobody does anything. Then everybody's kind
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: of looking around the room and everybody else like you're
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: gonna do something, or you're gonna say something, or you
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: can I mean, it was kind of like and then
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: when nobody responded, I think then they're like, ah, crap,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: we should have responded.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Should have and it can't be joker two four nine
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: six Nuggets not responding to McDaniels was the equivalent of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: someone cheap shotting McKinnon car and then Gabra Manson not
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: responding for their teammate.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, most it's it's like when Austin Matthews took the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: knee on knee and nobody from Toronto didn'ty that. Oh
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: my god, like you you knew, Oh the least are done. Okay,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So they are doing.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: And their coach was asked about it at the time, Greig
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Barrubi And what did he say? What anybody? He's like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. You're gonna have to ask everybody
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: inside that this.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Second that happened, everybody in hockey said, oh, Toronto's not
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: doing anything.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, got it. Two months of past two months
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of past more than two months since Jade McDaniels made
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: those comments. I want you guys just clear your mind
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: for a second. In the history of sports, motionure, do
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: you ever remember a player challenging another team like that
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: in a critical situation.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: And not having in having that team the other team
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: not respond nor in all your sports time, have you
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: ever in your life heard somebody publicly challenge and thereby
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: humiliate another team.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Like that with his words. No, ever, No, I'm fifty
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: seven years old. I've been around a long time.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I've never heard anything like it, Not like that.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's been trash talk anything.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: There's been trash talk, there's been this and that. But
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I've never heard a guy basically say this guy sucks
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and that guy sucks and he can't defend and the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: ain't nobody you know. I mean, By Jesus Lord, all
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: due respect.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: To Sean who says, quit playing the fake tough guy acting.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a fake Listen, look at me. I'm not tough.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: This is not I'm talking about team sports and emotion
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and things that are necessary in the course of competition.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It's not a fake tough guy act. No, it's the truth.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah it is. You know, when lou Dort kept trying
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: to take the legs out of Joker, finally Joker does
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: his own thing, right. I don't know. I just it
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: can't be him all the time. That's that's what it
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: can't be. I mean, look there, there's nobody in the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: league who's gonna really truly screw with Joker period. His
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: reputation now is if you really, if you really do,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen to you?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's on site, You're it's.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Gonna happen right now. And he he's a machine that
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: only moves forward. So unless you want seven foot of strong,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: angry serbian in your face, ready to jack your world up,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna do it anymore. I'm telling you. That
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: shot on Morse, that shot on Morris was a shot
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: heard around the world. Ain't no change.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: The way people approached him, absolute range.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: The way he was, and so is that nobody ain't no,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: ain't nobody jacks with him anymore.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: You can't let somebody publicly assault your team by calling
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you all soft in camp.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You can't do that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: What's to stop another guy from doing that? Next time?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: They play nothing.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And that's why I look, I would be more than
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: welcome to bring a Westbrook type back, like I'm more
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: than welcome because this has happened repeatedly. It happened with
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: with Dort that you mentioned Mojes. But the fact that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that stuff happens and there is no response drives me nuts,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Like this is your star?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Why I think there's no response by the Nuggets?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: What is it? Yeah, Vick, I don't. I can't put
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: my finger on that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Here's one thing that's for sure. It's not because they
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: don't respect Joker or something like that. That's not the case,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: because maybe that's that's been made about some other players before,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Like you know, when a quarterback gets sacked and the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman don't help them up, it's like, oh, they
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: don't like their quarterback, that's.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Why they did that. We know that's not the case.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: You ask anybody about Joker, they they are more than
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: effusive with their praise. I don't know what it is,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and I don't just as a competitor. You know, most
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: we saw it, and I go back to this, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it was around the same timeframe when mccarr took that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: sort of cheap hit Kulac immediately jumped on him and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: was like, that's not something that you do around here,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: not to that guy. You might be able to do
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: that to some fourth line or you aren't doing it
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to him, not him, And that's what if that happened
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to you know, I don't know. If Tias Jones was
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: on the floor and lou Dort did that to Tias Jones,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: maybe there's not some big kerfuffle afterwards because it's not joker.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: But it can't be the number one guy on your team.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It can't.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't know the reason for it. I have
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: no idea, but that's got to change.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: A lot of people say it's because they're soft. I
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: don't agree with that either, because that's the same team
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that won a championship, and you can't be soft to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: win a championship. It's the same core that won a championship.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Trust me, that ain't soft.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: That's tough. You want a hockey Why didn't they? I
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: need to know why. I don't know, respond vic, I
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: don't know. Hockey is easy to see. Football is tough
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: because if you retaliate even the slightest you're getting a
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: penalty and you may get kicked out of the game
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: like that, right, Hockey allows for protection, not like it
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: used to where you had Donnie Brooks and all that
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. But hockey still allows for that, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's probably built into the fabric of the game,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: the long term fabric of the game, more than any
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: other sport, I suppose, and baseball. Look the Greg Maddock story,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the Greg Maddick story of where he's just a rookie
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: and he's gonna get sent down if he doesn't get
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: to win. He's gonna get sent down, right, And who
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't somebody Oh when Andre Dawson got hit in the
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: head by was it Eric Shaw of the of the Padres.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: So Dawson gets beamed at the plate and Maddox is like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I got to win this game. Er, I'm getting sent down,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: but I've I've got to I've got to plug the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: next guy in the head, that's all. And you know
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: what he did. He plugged the next guy period, end
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: of story.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: This is a good answer. I like this answer. From
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: nine to seven zero. They wanted to respond with skill.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: They were looking past the Wolves, didn't want us stoop
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to their level. When McDaniels did was something an inferior
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: player does to try and mentally interfere with better players.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Except the Nuggets simply weren't good enough to stand on that.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And McDaniels was, I think that there's something there. They felt, well,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna let this guy talk us into this
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: ridiculous wrestling match. We're better than they are, but they weren't. Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And that's where I think. Sometimes emotion helps get emotional,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: get emotional. That helps, it doesn't hurt.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: We were talking about Westbrook. One thing I do know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Russ would have had a field day.
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• 35:19
  Speaker 3: All Right?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: So I heard some audio from Good Morning Football. Mantitao's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: on that show.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Who's the guy that's on there with a man bun
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: all the time?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Who's that a wrestler guy? I don't know what his
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: name is. Why these wrestlers all over these shows? He's
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: a wrestler.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: He's like a No, he's like a WWE wrestler guy,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: And he's a host.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah wait what Yeah, he's a I don't know. I mean,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: are man buns still a thing? Are people still doing
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the bun?
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding. I'm not even ashamed to say it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: If I had hair that was thick and wavy like
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: some Jason, I would totally do it man bun. Oh,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I absolutely would.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Well, most you do a lip stack, you do a
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: lip sun.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: You got a lip bun? Were you to talk about
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: other people's?
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have the same thing as you, except I
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: don't have all the other No.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: No, I have a full beard, so of course I'm
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: want to have hair under my lip because it's all
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: over my face.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is the most mos with a
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: soul past?
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: What do I have right now? At a guy with
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a man bun?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you took it off because you could tolerate. I
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: would tolerate our thoughts on that. Yeah, I would man
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: bun the hell out of my hair, totally would.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Now, no disrespect to Good Morning Football and the people
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: on the show, because I think Jamie Ardol is pretty good.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: But that show was at its peak with like Burlison
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: and Kay Adams and Kyle Kyle Brandt is that his name, Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: those guys, Peter Schrager like that was a good show.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I like that one. It's changed so much. Seth Rawlins
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: and he's a lot of people have chimed in saying
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: he's really good.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I haven't. I've never watched it, so I it's.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: On the same time we're on the only time.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: The only time I've seen him a clip of Good
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Morning Football with him is when he got into the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: fake fight with Kyle Brandt at like the Super Bowl
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Remember that where it's like he threw something
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: at him or the Draft, I think it was whatever.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And Titao's on that show now and he had there
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: were time about the Broncos and he said this about
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: bo Nicks.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: It starts and ends with bow Knicks.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: When I watched bow Knicks last year, I saw well,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: when I watched the Denver Broncos offense in general, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: saw a different type of offense run by Champagne that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I know Sean payn doesn't want to do.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And that's an offense that stresses at defense horizontally.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Knowingly, Champagne, he wants to throw that ball down the field.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Bow Knicks needs to throw that thing down the.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Field because if he can't throw that ball down the field,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: that forces those safeties to respect the deep game and
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: back those boys up. I didn't see defenses respect the
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: deep ball that much, so they brought those safeties in.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: So here's my beef. And this is something that people
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: say about Bonnicks all the time.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And this is I think clearly an example of you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: didn't watch the Broncos. You don't watch these games. Bo
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Nick drew the ball down the field a lot. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: would say at times, like almost too much. I thought
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: he pushed the ball downfield. No, well it's man, I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: can't count the amount of times that it's like third
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and twos and fourth and ones and it's a forty
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: yard pass downfield.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why are you going? Why there were now,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, like the Jets game, the Giants game where
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: it's just dank, dink, dk dank and then all of
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a sudden they open.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: A lot of the offense is like that, and I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: think that's what people see is that, look, man, we
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: were driven nuts by the bubble screens and stuff like that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: That was part of it too, But that's what I'm saying.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: The lack of stuff that he didn't do, I think
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: last year, in really the first two years, they didn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: attack the intermediate very much. They didn't attack the middle
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: very much. And that's my beefp He pushed the ball
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: downfield plenty. It wasn't always successful the.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: First eight games of his rookie year. No, he did not. Well,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: he was a baby, understood. I'm just saying that he
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: was under tight wraps for a lot of that rookie season.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: In the Wickersham article, Sean Payton actually said, don't go.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Over the middle.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: We don't want to turn it over for him. Over
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the middle means turnovers.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Correct, Well, that's where that's where all of the players are,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and the turnovers central there. I don't think there's anything
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: wrong with wanting to build good habits in your rookie
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: quarterback from day one. There's nothing wrong with that. It's
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: just the people who think that the Broncos don't go
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: vertical are wrong because they're not watching. And number two,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: maybe they think they should go more vertical, and that's fine. Too,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and now you have a weapon that can certainly help
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you in that regard. Hell, you got a weapon that
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: can do it that you never play, so Marvin Mams.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: But but he's Bonix is better at it for sure,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and does it more often than he did the year before.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Now, I will say this, if they change the wording
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't bow Knicks doesn't throw the ball downfield,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that is incorrect, factually incorrect. If they said bow Knicks
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't throw the ball downfield very well, that's I think fair.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Here's the numbers from last year. By the way, this
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: is out of thirty qualified quarterbacks. It's attempts of fifteen
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: or more air yards out of thirty that qualified for
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: this stat In completion percentage fifteen or more air yards,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: bow Knicks was at thirty six point seven, that's twenty
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: fourth out of thirty. In passer rating, he's seventy nine
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: point eight, that's twenty first out of thirty. And in
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: interceptions he had six that was tied for the second
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: most in the league. If you want to say he's
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not very effective at it, totally fine. Now what are
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the reasons for that? Is it because he just doesn't
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: do that very well? Is it because maybe he didn't
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: have the ball kind of wide receivers that were very
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: adept at that either.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Can I give you a big reason. Sure, a lot
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of those downfield plays come off play action, and if
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the opposing defense really doesn't respect your run game like
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: some others, it's harder to get receivers loose.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: That's fair, totally fair. All I'm saying is the narrative
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: out there that bo Nicks. You guys, remember when he
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: first got here what the question was with him? Does
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he have the arm to throw the ball deep?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Remember that?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, because they never let him do it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I think it's very fair to say he has the arm.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: If he has the deep, the question is does he
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: have the accuracy? You were just going through the numbers
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: right there. Well, I mean the answer is the answer
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: he's a pro quarterback. The answer is yes. But the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: question then becomes, okay, enough to your liking enough to
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: win it all. I think the answer to that is
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: also yes. But again, you've got to take your shots.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: You've got to take your stabs at it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You have, by the way, you know what an under
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: the radar theme of this training camp maybe. And I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: don't know if we've talked about it. Are we sure
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that Jared s Didham is going to be the number
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: two quarterback? Because I keep hearing a lot of Sam
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Ellinger making a move at that position.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Really do me a favor? As I heard Rajen Vick
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: talking about that, Rajen.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Vick, sorry, Rajen coach yesterday and they've talked about this
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: multiple times. Let's save that for a couple of minutes,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: because I have a question that's along those lines with
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Jared Stidham and Sam.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Is it Ellinger? Ellinger? I don't know Ellinger any think
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I always struggle with a hard G or soft.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: G, and I just don't know.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Because you ain't no G.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: You really don't care that I saw him in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Animal bol do you no?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Please relay that story again about how you went there
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and you saw my brother there.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I met up with your brother and his lovely wife
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: and we had a great time. End of story.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Was quick. What, oh my god, I do you would
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: be I don't know why you do this? You know it?
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: You you know this too.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: If you and me were to get in a fight
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that's lasting ten seconds, and if you would like.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: To beat up on the ground an elderly person.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Go right ahead, now, Brett, if you try to engage
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: with me, I'd run, and I know you have no
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: cardio correct.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And run a long time.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: But most comes over once in a while and he
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: tries to put me like in a choke hold, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, if you really wanted this to go, how
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: do you think this ends?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: You'd have to you, well, I don't fight fair. You'd
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: have to get Victor in the first fifty feet because
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: beyond that hegone. You understand that right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Now, the second vict takes off, the fight's over because
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not chasing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Either, well, because you know you're you're this close to
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: another hand me blowing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I literally grabbed my hamstring as I thought about chasing Vic.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. My hand was right here, and I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: was like, this thing would pop, no doubt about it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, finish your thought. And I got one more thing
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: before we.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Get the now go because I was gonna go to
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the break, So whatever you gonna.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Say, Vic, Brett went out to the parking lot to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: take a look.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: That is tires that you lost, yep, and they look wet,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: they look good.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Right, you can't have this perfectly cleaned car with shiny
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: chrome and I can finally see your friggin wheels for
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: the first time in three years, and then not say
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: the wet look on your tires adds to the overall picture.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Moser, are you the kind of guy that cleans his
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: tires on a consistent basis?
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: He is, well, yeah, not, ay moj not once in
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Straw pole straw mother truck and pole like mother truck,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and that it's not boy. I think I'm gonna win
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: this one, but we'll find out. Do you put the
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: nice shiny stuff on your tires after you wash the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: car or not? Three oh three, five oh four oh
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: nine two five? Are you like Brett where you just
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: say you know what? That tire can be as gray
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: as the day is long in the winter time?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Does Brett come off as a guy who consistently washes.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Or do I mean? Do you do you treat your
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: tires after you wash your car? Three oh three? Or
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: do you not? Three oh three five, four oh nine
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: two five.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I have never owned a car. I don't own shot
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: off cars.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: You know what, Brett's that bulicle saving I own cars
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: that drive. Do you know how much that bulicle Saber
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: would have, you know, good, that would have looked. That's
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: not again, not a show off car. Three oh three
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: the house you put them five.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Is a show off like a Corvette or something like that.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: It's something that's supposed to look nice, and you say, okay,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: how about this.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: It's a car that you go do you want to
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: come see my car?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I've never had one, never one to. If I had
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: an eighty eight Chevy Cavalier all right with a paint peeling,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't do the tires. I just drive it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: It's just a beater. I'm just gonna drive. It's a
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen Ford Explorer with this close two hundred thousand
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: miles high. I do not anything, but it looked. You
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: can't believe how good it looked. When I drove in
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the lot, I didn't recognize it. That's how clean it
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: is compared to the filth that you typically drive around in.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: I usually keep my cars clean.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Got the Infinity, I keep clean. I keep the Vespa
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: especially clean, because you can't drive around with the dirty Vespa.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: That's true. That's a big deal. That's a big That's
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: what I do like.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Nobody likes a dirty hog.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, keep that hog nice and clean. I
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: do enjoy when I visit my daughters or they visit me,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the first thing I do is clean out their cars. Yep,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and I enjoy that process. Clean mine out. Mine's a disaster.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Before my daughter went back to Before my daughter went
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: back to college and her little Toyota camera, I'm like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: we're we're we're doing this, and I actually got I
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: have little portable steam cleaner thing. I actually made her
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: doer seats.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: So wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Cleaned it all up, shined at the best I possibly
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: could you know, twenty year old twenty year old girls? Man,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: hang on, I know how to abuse a car? Oh
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: good god?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Do you guys know?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: This is like the shopping cart at a grocery store.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Test is like if you put your card away, you're
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a good human or something, or if you don't, you're
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a bad um. It's a very simple test for organization.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: This will tell you if you're an organized person or not,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: which I am not. I'm not organized.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not really organized either.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: But if you make a left turn like I do,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and things in your car crash on the right side
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: of your car.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You're disorganized. And that's what happens.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Every time I turn, and if I take a hard turn,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: there are stuff crashing.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: There are times I'll have like three coffee cups back
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: here to my right behind the passenger seat, and if
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: you forget about them right it turned like I'm like,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: oh my god.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I have no joke.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Probably fifteen hats sitting in my front seat right now,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: because when I do I get my car, I take
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: him off and drop him.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite. I gotta share this real quick. My
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: favorite car story. My former producer from Channel four, Eric Christiansen.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: He still works there. People we parked, We used to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: park at Channel four across the street in an apartment
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: complex that they gave us parking spots. One day, ten
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: o'clock whirls around, we do the news, we all leave,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: We go to our cars. He knocks on my window, goes, hey,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I need a ride. I go, what's going on? He goes,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: my car's out of gas? I go, how is your
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: car out of Guess he parked his car earlier that day,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: left it running.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: The entire day.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, can't say I've ever done that.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Jared, I want to know. Is the Jared
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Stidham a story, actually a story.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: We'll get to it next.