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Ocean Conservation Career Is Not A Straight Path...and that's okay · How To Protect The Ocean

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  If you're thinking of
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  becoming a marine biologist,
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  marine conservationist, do
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  you know how you're gonna
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  plan out your ocean conservation career?
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  Do you know how easy or
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  hard it is to attain a career
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  in ocean conservation?
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  Well, we're gonna talk
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  about it on today's episode
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  of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast
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  because this is something
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  that I'm gonna ask you questions
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  because this is something
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  that we don't really talk about.
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  And I did a
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  presentation earlier last week
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  where I talked to some high school kids
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  and I asked them the same question.
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  It was really interesting to
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  hear some of their answers.
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  So we're gonna talk
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  about that on this episode.
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  Let's start the show.
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  Hey everybody, welcome back to another
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  exciting episode of the How
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  to Protect the Ocean podcast.
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  I'm your host Andrew Lewin.
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  And this is the podcast where you find
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  out what's happening with the ocean,
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  how you can speak up for the ocean,
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  and what you can do to live for a better
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  ocean by taking action.
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  On today's episode, we are going to be
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  talking about ocean conservation careers.
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  Your ocean conservation career.
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  If you're listening to this episode,
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  you're probably thinking out.
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  At some point, you want to
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  work in ocean conservation.
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  That could include marine biology, marine
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  conservation, that
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  could include genetics,
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  that could include, you know, a lot of
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  different science biology,
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  that could include
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  oceanography, physics, chemistry,
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  it could include a whole slew of things,
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  business management,
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  entrepreneurship, anything.
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  Ocean conservation career
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  really comes down to anything.
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  But there are certain things that you
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  have to ask yourself
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  when you are considering.
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  This is a lot for high school students,
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  high school students, a
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  lot for university students
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  or recent graduates, whether you have a
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  graduate degree or undergraduate degree,
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  or even just people who are
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  trying to pivot mid-career,
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  someone who's pivoted a
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  number of times during my career.
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  You want to make sure that you understand
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  how you can benefit the
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  field of ocean conservation
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  and how you can say, "Hey, I'm going to
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  have an ocean
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  conservation career because I have,
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  I bring this skill set or this experience
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  that can benefit what's needed."
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  And I'm going to say
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  it's not always science.
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  It's not always, we don't necessarily
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  need more marine biologists.
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  And I think that encapsulates a lot
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  because I've spoken to a lot
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  of people who are mid-career,
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  like, "Hey, I want to do
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  what marine biologists do.
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  I want to get into ocean conservation and
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  protect sharks or protect the ocean.
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  So I'm going to go back
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  for a four-year degree."
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  Well, look, that's great.
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  And if you have the money to do it, and
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  that's really what you want to do,
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  go ahead, go back to school, mid-career,
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  whatever you want to
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  do, and do your thing.
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  And work your butt off because you
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  probably know what
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  you want at this point.
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  And that could be a marine biology career
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  and you can excel at it.
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  And I think I applaud you.
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  But you don't always have
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  to do something in science.
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  If you come from a banking background or
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  economic background
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  or business background,
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  you can benefit it in many different ways
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  and probably succeed
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  financially at it quite a bit.
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  You know, I think we look at the scale of
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  where ocean conservation pay is.
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  And that's what a lot of people say.
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  It's like when I grew up and I'm like,
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  "Yeah, I want to be a marine biologist."
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  Like, "Can you make money as a marine
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  biologist?" And the short
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  answer is, "Yes, you can."
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  But you have to, it depends on the job
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  that you're working, right?
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  Like a lot of the people, when we talk
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  about marine biology, we think about
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  working on the ocean or in the ocean.
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  Scuba diving, snorkeling, you know,
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  putting down broths, putting down
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  cameras, you know, ROV work.
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  Those are the fun things you see on
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  National Geographic and Shark Week and
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  all that kind of stuff.
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  And that happens. Like we see tagging
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  studies, we see ROV
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  studies, we see drone studies,
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  we see all these cool fancy tech studies.
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  And then when you just get down and we go
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  do scuba diving or snorkeling and
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  trailing behind a boat,
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  it's pretty cool stuff. You
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  get to do pretty cool stuff.
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  But then on the other hand, we also do
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  like water quality marine,
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  like taking water samples,
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  you know, getting into some pretty bad
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  water if you have to and taking samples.
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  Like so there's a lot of different things
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  that you can do and there's different
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  sectors that you can go in.
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  And there's different types of jobs
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  within the field of ocean conservation.
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  You can have a variety of different ocean
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  conservation careers within the ocean
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  conservation career if you get my drift.
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  But the thing that you have to ask is
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  really two things that
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  you have to ask yourself.
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  You have to ask yourself,
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  how much do I want to get paid?
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  The second thing is to support the
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  lifestyle that I lead.
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  So you want to make sure you get enough
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  financially and then enough to have a
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  good lifestyle that you want.
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  Those two come hand in hand and it's not
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  always asked when kids or adults are
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  asked are saying, hey, I want to go into
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  marine biology or ocean conservation.
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  I was like, great.
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  What's your lifestyle going to be like?
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  What do you want as your lifestyle?
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  Do you truly understand the lifestyle?
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  Because when I was a high school kid, you
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  couldn't tell me anything.
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  Nothing was going to stop me
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  from being a marine biologist.
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  Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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  Even when people are like, yeah, well,
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  the pay is not that bad because I always
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  thought I'm just going to figure it out.
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  I'm just going to
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  figure out and get some pay.
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  And I'll be honest. I had some decent pay
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  when I worked for the government.
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  I had some decent pay when I
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  worked for a private consultant.
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  I had some decent pay when
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  you work for a nonprofit.
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  You may not be getting like a huge pay
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  depending on the level you're working at.
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  If you're looking more on the
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  administrative side as a manager or even
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  like an executive director, you can get
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  paid a lot of money.
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  You can get paid a good amount of money
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  to have a pretty comfortable life and not
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  have to worry about bills.
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  But if you're working in the field all
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  the time as a technician, like a field
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  technician, having a lot of fun out in
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  the ocean all the time or on a river or
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  on a lake or whatever,
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  you really have to like it.
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  You may not get paid as much. You may get
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  paid a decent wage depending on what
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  entity you're working for.
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  But you're not going to be
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  paying getting paid a ton.
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  And it's surprising for a lot of people
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  and depending on where you are, it's
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  surprising that you get
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  paid so low in certain places.
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  But it all depends on how much money that
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  company or how much funding that
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  organization or
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  department is going to get.
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  And you're really you either benefit or
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  you don't benefit off of that.
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  And some people will go from job to job,
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  not necessarily because they don't can't
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  find a full time position, but maybe the
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  funding doesn't allow for it.
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  So especially in the nonprofit
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  organization, everything is based on
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  funding. So if the organization runs out
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  of funding or there's an end date to that
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  funding, you'll often see job ads that
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  are saying, hey, yeah, like, you know,
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  this is a two year position or this is a
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  one year position or this is a six month
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  position or this is a
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  three year position.
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  You just may not be able to get it right
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  away, you know, and get more experience
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  and move on to the next nonprofit
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  organization until
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  hopefully you find a full time job.
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  But even then, some of the pays are not
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  the greatest, especially when it comes to
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  science, which I find surprising because
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  that's what a lot of that are based on a
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  lot of these organizations are based on.
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  But communications marketing operations
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  executive director, all those kinds of
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  those kind of jobs
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  typically pay pretty well.
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  I applied to one job that had the posting
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  was like over it was a communication job.
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  It was over $100,000. That's Canadian.
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  Like it was like $115,000. There's
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  another communication job.
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  There was like 130 to $150,000.
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  Those are like communication director
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  positions or senior communications
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  director positions. Those are pretty big,
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  you know, but program
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  officers and things like that.
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  Those tend to be lower on the totem pole
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  when you're talking about nonprofit
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  organization or if you're talking about
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  government, it's a little it's a little
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  higher depending on the government.
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  And if they're actually hiring these
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  days, but, you know, they they tend to
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  have like specific positions. I know the
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  Canadian government is unionized. So they
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  have they actually just post, you know,
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  exactly what everybody's making depending
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  on how many years they've worked in that
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  position as well as what position they're
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  working, like what level they are.
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  They're at like Biola, just one, Biola,
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  just two physical scientists, one, three,
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  six, or five, it goes up to five, four,
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  five so that you can tell how much the
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  higher the number, the more they get
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  paid, the more responsibility they have.
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  So more administrative they have. Now, I
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  know some people who've gotten into that
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  level and they're like, Oh, yeah, no, I
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  don't actually like this kind of role. I
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  want to go back down and do the fun
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  stuff, but earn, try and like get your,
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  get the biggest bang
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  for the buck, so to speak.
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  Right. So you try and maximize the amount
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  of money you can get without having to do
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  too many boring office things. So as
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  someone would tell me
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  in the, in the industry.
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  So it all depends on your preference and
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  what you want to make and how much you
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  want to make and how much life. But if
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  you're planning it out and you want to
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  look at the jobs, you got to plan it out.
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  You got to be like, look, I want to make
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  I want to make a good amount of money to
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  support my lifestyle. And that could be
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  having a family that could be having a
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  house or an apartment or move around a
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  little bit with your partner.
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  If you have a partner or not having a
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  partner, it all depends on the lifestyle
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  that you want to live. And they're all
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  doable within the construct of the ocean
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  conservation career.
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  You just have to do the research and
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  speak to people who have different types
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  of careers. There are people who go into
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  the field for like six weeks at a time,
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  seven weeks at a time. There are people
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  who go for like over,
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  over three months at a time.
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  You know, they're away from whoever their
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  loved ones, whether it's a family,
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  whether, you know, it's like an extended
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  family or friends or whatever, or it's
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  like a close to their family, their,
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  their kids, their, their partner.
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  It all depends, right? It all depends on
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  the job that you have the other. Some
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  people have like a nine to five and they
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  go to work and they come home every day.
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  They get to participate in all their kids
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  activities and all that kind of stuff.
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  And they love it. And
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  that's, and that's great too.
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  Whatever the lifestyle is and whatever
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  the money is those you have to know what
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  that is that will allow you to dictate
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  kind of life. But what you can't predict
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  and this happens to a lot of people is
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  the decisions that come in life that will
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  make you pivot,
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  whether you like it or not.
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  So when that can be positive, some that
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  can be negative, right? All depends on
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  the human psyche. It all depends on the
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  person and the situations are all unique.
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  But there are certain times in certain
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  situations where you
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  have to make a decision.
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  And it's sometimes the personal decision.
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  Sometimes it's a business decision or a
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  career decision, but it will affect you.
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  And it really just depends. You have no
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  idea what will happen.
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  And some of it, they'll be hard decisions
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  to make at the time. And then you'll
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  figure out whether you want, like whether
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  you agreed with that
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  decision or not after that.
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  And I'll tell you mine. And this is what
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  I told that this great nine girls school
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  that I was at or this girl school that I
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  was at that I presented in
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  front of great nine kids.
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  And we discussed my career and I didn't
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  want to just tell them about living. I
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  worked for government and I worked for a
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  private consultant. I went back to
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  government and I worked here and I worked
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  in the US and I worked there.
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  I could talk about the fun times and all
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  that kind of stuff. But I want to talk
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  about the decision making because like
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  when we think about marine biology,
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  especially like I knew when I was 14, I
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  want to be a marine biologist.
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  And that's all I ever wanted to be. So as
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  I grew up, then I met podcasting, but I'm
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  still in marine biology, podcasting. But
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  as I kind of grew up through my high
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  school, that's all I was thinking. I was
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  like, I'm going to go to university. I'm
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  going to get an undergraduate degree.
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  Then I'm going to go to grad school and
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  get a master's and I'm going to get a PhD
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  and then I'm going to work either as a
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  professor or some research.
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  And I'm going to travel around the world
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  and do research on every animal that I
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  want to do. And I would have full control
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  over that. And that's fine dream. That
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  could happen. That could
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  happen. It could happen.
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  Doesn't happen often, but it could
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  happen. But what I didn't expect is that
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  at the end of my university career, which
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  I by the end, I had no idea what I wanted
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  to do in marine biology.
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  I met the love of my life who ended up
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  becoming my wife. But what I didn't
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  realize is that when I like when I grew
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  up, I was going to travel the world.
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  When she grew up, she was going to stay
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  here in Ontario to be close to family
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  because her lifestyle was raise a family,
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  be close to family so family
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  can help and be a part of that.
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  So I met my wife, fell in love. We both
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  fell in love. And I'm like, OK, like,
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  hey, I'm going down to Louisiana and I'm
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  going to be on a boat
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  for like eight months.
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  Now come back every couple of months.
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  Like, OK, we'll just figure out from
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  there. And I fell more in love and more
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  in love. And we both fell more in love with each other.
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  And then I came home and I said, hey, I'm
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  going to do a master's. I got offered a
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  master's, but it's not here in Ontario.
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  It's out in Halifax. So we got to move.
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  Can we move to Halifax
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  together? So we moved to Halifax.
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  I said, I'll give you two. Give me two
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  years there. I'll get my master's and
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  then we'll come back here and we'll and
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  we'll start working on our family and get
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  married and start working on our family.
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  You know, we were set for like this is as
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  soon as we met, like we knew we were
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  going to get married like that. This is
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  my one always has been always will be.
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  And we came back after two years. I got
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  off your PhD and I rejected it because
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  I'm like, I got to go back to Ontario. I
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  promise my wife. I go back to Ontario.
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  Got married and, you know, we, you know,
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  we started to have kids and, you know,
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  that one thing led to another. We the
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  kids are starting to grow up.
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  And, you know, I had to do different jobs
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  for marine biology and find jobs within
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  Ontario and started a podcast and all
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  this kind of stuff. And I don't regret
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  any of it at the time.
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  I didn't love it all the time because I
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  didn't love all the jobs that I had. But
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  I don't regret it because now my my kids
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  know their grandparents and their uncles
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  and my sister-in-law and like the aunts
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  and cousins and stuff.
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  And they love it. Right. We had a great
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  life. We're having a great life. And so
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  I, you know, that was the choice that I
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  had to face. That was the
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  big pivot that I had to face.
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  It changed the course of my career from
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  thinking that I'd be on the East Coast or
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  West Coast of Canada or the U.S. or even
• 1:13:33
  just travel around the world and doing
• 1:13:34
  marine biology stuff as much of a dream
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  of that was I came back to
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  Ontario where there's no ocean.
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  There's the Great Lakes, the Sweetwater
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  Ocean, but there's no ocean. And and I
• 1:13:44
  had a career here, which is very
• 1:13:46
  different from a lot of my colleagues and
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  friends that are in
• 1:13:49
  that are in this industry.
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  But that's the decision that I made.
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  That's the adaptation I had to make. I
• 1:13:53
  didn't expect it to happen. And there are
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  a lot of people who have
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  different decisions to make.
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  So there are some people who have taken,
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  you know, they've taken the academic
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  route. They've decided to go to
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  undergraduate, graduate, master's, PhD,
• 1:14:05
  and then become a professor.
• 1:14:06
  And when they become a professor, they've
• 1:14:07
  reached their dream like this is amazing.
• 1:14:09
  And they realize, I actually don't like
• 1:14:12
  this job. And you're
• 1:14:14
  like, oh, what do I do?
• 1:14:15
  You know, some people move, especially to
• 1:14:18
  be a professor someplace and they don't
• 1:14:20
  love it. Let's say it happens to
• 1:14:22
  everybody, but there's some people who
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  don't. And I've had I've
• 1:14:24
  had friends who have had that.
• 1:14:26
  And then they had to figure out what to
• 1:14:27
  do after that. They had to figure out
• 1:14:29
  where to go and what to do. Did they move
• 1:14:32
  from that place? Do they stay as a
• 1:14:33
  professor there and maybe not like it as
• 1:14:35
  much and be miserable? Or can they figure
• 1:14:37
  out if they're going to be happy?
• 1:14:38
  It's been it's very difficult the time
• 1:14:41
  and whatever decision they make, that's
• 1:14:43
  the decision to make is not right or
• 1:14:44
  wrong. It's just a
• 1:14:45
  decision they decide to make.
• 1:14:47
  But these these little pivot moments are
• 1:14:50
  extremely important and they happen more
• 1:14:53
  than you think, especially at 40. I
• 1:14:56
  reached 40 and I
• 1:14:58
  pivoted a couple of times.
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  And I know a lot of people who have put I
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  know some people who had a career in one
• 1:15:03
  thing, decided to become a teacher in
• 1:15:05
  another started their teaching, you know,
• 1:15:08
  practice at like 40 years old.
• 1:15:11
  Like there's so many different ways you
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  can. Some people became cops or fire men
• 1:15:15
  or women or people like it's all
• 1:15:18
  different things that you can do. But 40
• 1:15:20
  seems to be that age where people pivot.
• 1:15:21
  I don't know if it's the beginning of the
• 1:15:22
  mid life crisis, but it's that that's
• 1:15:26
  just the pivot that
• 1:15:27
  I've seen people make.
• 1:15:28
  So it doesn't necessarily mean you're
• 1:15:30
  going to be in the same job all the time.
• 1:15:32
  There's probably not going to be the same
• 1:15:33
  job all the time, especially the way jobs
• 1:15:34
  are going these days. And and it's not
• 1:15:36
  necessarily that you are going to have
• 1:15:38
  the path that you think you're going to
• 1:15:39
  have. That's going to
• 1:15:40
  meander quite a bit.
• 1:15:41
  I co-host a podcast called the Beyond
• 1:15:43
  Jaws podcast with Dr. David Ebert. And we
• 1:15:45
  interview shark scientists and
• 1:15:47
  practitioners and conservationists all
• 1:15:50
  the time. Like every couple of weeks we
• 1:15:51
  put out an episode and we
• 1:15:52
  talk about their career.
• 1:15:53
  And when we talk about their career, a
• 1:15:56
  lot of times it meanders, they go in and
• 1:15:58
  out of studying sharks. So they'll study
• 1:16:00
  other fish or they'll say something
• 1:16:01
  completely different or they'll go
• 1:16:03
  somewhere completely different.
• 1:16:04
  Or they'll get out of the industry
• 1:16:05
  altogether just to make some money and
• 1:16:06
  then come back and they and they do that.
• 1:16:08
  And they proudly mentioned that because
• 1:16:10
  when you see their bit, a lot of these
• 1:16:11
  people are very well published and
• 1:16:13
  they're they're very well known.
• 1:16:15
  But people don't know about the
• 1:16:16
  intricacies of their career because
• 1:16:18
  they've just never heard it before. They
• 1:16:20
  don't know because all their reading is
• 1:16:21
  their papers. So we have them on a podcast again.
• 1:16:22
  We have them on a podcast to get to hear
• 1:16:23
  it. They're like, oh, OK, so so and so
• 1:16:25
  had this wonderful career, but it was in
• 1:16:27
  and out a little bit. It wasn't perfect.
• 1:16:30
  OK, mine doesn't have to be either. Your
• 1:16:32
  career does not your ocean conservation
• 1:16:34
  career does not have to be perfect.
• 1:16:37
  Let me repeat that your ocean
• 1:16:39
  conservation career does not have to be
• 1:16:40
  perfect. It's not a straight path. It's
• 1:16:43
  going to meander a bunch and you have to
• 1:16:45
  really you have to accept that.
• 1:16:47
  And maybe even like just just kind of
• 1:16:51
  know that it's coming. Anticipate the
• 1:16:54
  meanderness. That's a word. I don't know.
• 1:16:56
  But like you have to learn that because
• 1:16:58
  if you don't and you expect to be
• 1:17:00
  straight and something happens, you're
• 1:17:01
  going to think your career is a failure.
• 1:17:03
  And I would say as a coach, I always tell
• 1:17:05
  my kids like my my players fail, fail
• 1:17:08
  often, fail fast, fail often and learn
• 1:17:12
  from those mistakes or learn from those
• 1:17:14
  decisions and then get better and be
• 1:17:16
  better and you'll be stronger in the end.
• 1:17:17
  So the whole point of this podcast is
• 1:17:21
  having an ocean conservation career will
• 1:17:23
  make you stronger, will make you better
• 1:17:24
  as a person, but it won't be a straight
• 1:17:26
  path. It will meander. Be ready for it,
• 1:17:29
  anticipate it and enjoy the heck out of
• 1:17:31
  the process because it's a fun process.
• 1:17:33
  There's ups and downs and it's a great
• 1:17:35
  story and tell your story. Come on this
• 1:17:37
  podcast. Tell your story. Go on the
• 1:17:39
  Beyond Jobs podcast. Tell your story. We
• 1:17:41
  always want to hear people's stories
• 1:17:42
  because we want to share the experiences
• 1:17:44
  so that when people go through
• 1:17:45
  themselves, they're not alone.
• 1:17:46
  You're not alone. So many people had
• 1:17:49
  different types of stories. So I want to
• 1:17:51
  just mention that to you because I think
• 1:17:52
  it's really important that we share that,
• 1:17:54
  you know, ocean conservation careers are
• 1:17:57
  not a straight path.
• 1:17:58
  And I want you to know that. So for me to
• 1:18:00
  you, you're welcome. Enjoy the process.
• 1:18:05
  If you ever need help, reach out. I'm
• 1:18:06
  always there to help you out. You can DM
• 1:18:08
  me at how to protect the ocean. You can
• 1:18:10
  also go over to our YouTube channel and
• 1:18:12
  subscribe and hit that notification
• 1:18:14
  button to see all different types of episodes.
• 1:18:15
  As I mentioned the last episode, I'm
• 1:18:18
  doing things a little differently lately.
• 1:18:19
  I'm recording the raw audio podcast first
• 1:18:22
  and then I'm recording a more of a
• 1:18:24
  cleaned up version, more succinct version
• 1:18:26
  because YouTubers don't have the
• 1:18:27
  multitasking ability that audio
• 1:18:30
  podcasters do because the way the apps
• 1:18:32
  and the way the platform is.
• 1:18:33
  So they tend to watch more. So they tend
• 1:18:36
  to be a little less time and a little bit
• 1:18:38
  more edited or not edited, but just
• 1:18:40
  succinct and yeah, and we'll just see you
• 1:18:43
  soon. Those edited. This is the last non
• 1:18:45
  edited video for a while.
• 1:18:46
  I'll be editing more videos in a little
• 1:18:48
  bit, but they'll be coming out for a
• 1:18:51
  bunch. But I just I just want to get this
• 1:18:53
  off my chest because I think it's really important.
• 1:18:53
  I found that the kids that I taught last
• 1:18:57
  last week that I presented in front of,
• 1:18:59
  they really enjoyed it. They really took
• 1:19:00
  it to heart. And a lot of the questions
• 1:19:03
  that came out were about confidence. It's
• 1:19:04
  like, how did how confident were you
• 1:19:06
  every time? Like, do you ever question
• 1:19:07
  the path you were taking? And my answer
• 1:19:08
  to that was yes, yes, I did every single
• 1:19:11
  day. I still do. And I'm still
• 1:19:12
  questioning it because you never know if
• 1:19:14
  you're taking the right path, but there
• 1:19:15
  is no right path. Your path is the right
• 1:19:17
  path. So, you know, own that. Okay. So anyway, that's it for today's episode. If you want to get a hold of that, I'm going to be doing a video on how to do it.
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  I can't really just I can just say that, or what it looks like. This video has an
• 1:19:36
  awesome feature on it, but the mph method
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  page, hearingcentered hosting
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  Thank you so much for joining me on
• 1:19:39
  today's episode of the how
• 1:19:40
  to protect the ocean podcast
• 1:19:41
  I'm your host Andrew Lewin from the true
• 1:19:43
  north strong and free. Have a great day.
• 1:19:45
  We'll talk to you next
• 1:19:45
  time and happy conservation