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Ep. 325: In the Center of Your Mind with Ted Nugent · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: So the atmosphere is good, you like, I mean beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be better. Should have had a fire going.
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  Speaker 1: We're good Phil, you got the machine on the jeans on.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing. Fires in Texas technology. Oh, Phil records everything
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  Speaker 1: to Phil could make the worst. Phil could destroy career.
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  Speaker 1: He can make the best of us seem like the
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  Speaker 1: worst seem like, but he won't. That's the beauty in
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  Speaker 1: the long game here. We need that part about Billy
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  Speaker 1: Joel and that intro beautiful. I'm dying to know about
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  Speaker 1: Billy Joel. Hired guns, the stars can really the lure
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  Speaker 1: to prick world is is overwhelming. Once you get catered
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  Speaker 1: to and you have people's service and you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to order your own room service, and they know how
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  Speaker 1: much cream you want in your cough, all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden you go, hey, give me some of that. Just
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  Speaker 1: sit back here and indulge and get bored and then
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  Speaker 1: end up getting high and then drooling and dying or
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  Speaker 1: just becoming a prick. So there's an indulgent pathway too.
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  Speaker 1: There's a self inflicting indulgence curse in the world of celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: They should all bow hunt because the deer don't give
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  Speaker 1: a ship how many platinum albums I got. It's really
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  Speaker 1: boils down to that. That's awesome. As you can hear,
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we're joined today. We're in Texas, joined
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  Speaker 1: today by Mr Ted Nugent as we call in Michigan
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  Speaker 1: uncle Ted uncle Ted. This is not we gotta do
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  Speaker 1: a few things up top. I want just to set
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  Speaker 1: stage here. This is not the first time you would
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  Speaker 1: know this. This is not the first time you and
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  Speaker 1: I were in the same room together. Well only because
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  Speaker 1: of this reason, because I am a two time alum
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  Speaker 1: of the Whiplash Bash, then no wonder you glow. The
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  Speaker 1: spirit emanates from your very skeleton. The most memorable, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the most memorable Whiplash Bash I went to is memorable
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  Speaker 1: to me because you throughout into the crowd a bag
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  Speaker 1: of venison, jerky, metish jerk. My friend, my late friend,
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  Speaker 1: very close friend of mine that I graduated from high
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  Speaker 1: school with, Eric Kern, caught a piece of jerky. Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: He and I a real nugent fan. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: when you could catch you Jernky, that's a legitimate nugent
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  Speaker 1: fash shared you know, maybe I'm making that up. He
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  Speaker 1: wand up with the chunk of the jersey. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: pick it off the floor, you're stealing from somebody. No,
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  Speaker 1: he recovered the jerky that you might not remember. That
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  Speaker 1: night you had the Uh your opening act for that
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  Speaker 1: Whiplash bash was the band Jackal I do remember with
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  Speaker 1: the chainsaw and they had that very popular lumberjack song
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  Speaker 1: with a chainsaw solo had to be huge in Michigan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he came out. There was full frontal nudity on his part. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He came out, did the chainsaw solo? You shot your bow? Ye?
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  Speaker 1: Then here's what this gets especially good. Interesting it was
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  Speaker 1: either that year or the year before. But then you
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  Speaker 1: went on to get arrested in Ohio for shooting your
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  Speaker 1: bow and city limits in a flaming arrow, which I
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  Speaker 1: had done. And you got arrested, but you got reprimanded. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got arrested. I was taking away in handcuffs. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great story. Details of this story or fashion, because
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  Speaker 1: I have to say this is public speaking of the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Your well better than that, because you should know, because
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  Speaker 1: not just I want you to tell the archery story
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  Speaker 1: just says a teaser like the just how you got
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  Speaker 1: in trouble in Ohio, but another like I can't. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a few years and we were always like me
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  Speaker 1: or my brothers. And someone was at the Whiplash Bash
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  Speaker 1: during the height of the Whiplash Bash days. This is
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  Speaker 1: like early nineties. Ye have phenomenal concerts. So they saw
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  Speaker 1: it one time where you went to you were shooting
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  Speaker 1: your bow on stage and went to shoot I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was a white buffalo, giant white buffalo, missed it
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  Speaker 1: and then got on your knees and bowed to it.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't follow up with the hart shot. But
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  Speaker 1: then you, yeah, surely after that we were appalled to
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  Speaker 1: hear that you then traveled out of your home state
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  Speaker 1: into Ohio or they didn't have the same reverence for
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  Speaker 1: the stage antics and you got busted for shooting your
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  Speaker 1: bow like discharging a weapon within city. Was an open
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  Speaker 1: flame thing, which which I'm surprised you didn't arrest my
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  Speaker 1: road manager. He was an open flame um. The stories
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  Speaker 1: behind each one of these instants are fascinating because I
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  Speaker 1: would shoot my born arrow on stage, typically a flaming arrow,
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  Speaker 1: at various targets all the way back with the Amboy
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  Speaker 1: Dukes in the nineteen sixties, and as much as the
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  Speaker 1: mystical flight of the arrow mystifies in the environment of
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  Speaker 1: outrageous cacophony and sonic bombasted, screaming and tall, skinny guys
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  Speaker 1: with loyal class, I mean, the environment is so centrally overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: And then this guy that just saying wang dangee pun
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  Speaker 1: dang comes out with a flaming arrow and shoots a
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  Speaker 1: skull off the amps. I mean, if you want an
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  Speaker 1: archery demonstration that imprints, I'm your daddy. But in this
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  Speaker 1: in this series of events, I would shoot a flaming
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  Speaker 1: arrow on stage at a giant buffalo silhouette or various
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  Speaker 1: three D targets. And in the Kalamazoo event, well, let's
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  Speaker 1: go to the Northern Michigan one where I missed the buffalo.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm up on stage. You guys can only imagine
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  Speaker 1: the energy level and the the excitement within me because
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  Speaker 1: I love this music and you can't casually play my music,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't casually ride a buffalo, and you can't
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  Speaker 1: casually shoot flaming arrows on stage in front of twenty
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  Speaker 1: thousand people. It's all dangerously intense, and I have to
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  Speaker 1: manage my psyche like when you're about to touch off
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  Speaker 1: a shot, the breathing sight, acquisition the halfway eggxhale, and
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  Speaker 1: then boom. That's a calming moment in an otherwise excitable endeavor.
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  Speaker 1: Magnify that to a dangerous, life threatening level. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what I go through every night on stage. Because I
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  Speaker 1: loved the bow and arrow. I do have target panic.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was up there in northern Michigan at
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  Speaker 1: the at the Castle, I think it was called up
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  Speaker 1: near Charlavoy, where I missed the buffalo, I got a
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  Speaker 1: stage bow that comes back at about forty pounds because
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  Speaker 1: I'm only twenty ft from the target and I gotta
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  Speaker 1: come back without too much stress. Well, my assistant had
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  Speaker 1: shot had dry fired my stage bow and it came apart.
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  Speaker 1: So he handed me my hunting bow and I'm shooting
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  Speaker 1: thirty four inch arrows because they're on fire, and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden he has me a bow and it's
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  Speaker 1: not the right bow. So my mind's going, Holy Mother
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  Speaker 1: of God, I've got to be a good archer because
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  Speaker 1: it's the whack master Mr Ted, Mr here. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my psyche goes it's the rug bow.
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  Speaker 1: Um but I said, well, improvised it happ and overcome,
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  Speaker 1: so I drew it back, and of course that bow
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  Speaker 1: is not sighted in for a twenty yard TWT shot
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  Speaker 1: at a silhouette and I shot right over him. But
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  Speaker 1: I did grab a second arrow and I shot him
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  Speaker 1: through the heart. And then I thought, I think I
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  Speaker 1: grabbed a third arrow when shot my assistant through the heart.
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  Speaker 1: But the flaming arrow, and in Cincinnati was fascinating because
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  Speaker 1: I had shot a flaming arrow there dozens of times
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  Speaker 1: over the years. No problem, no, no open flame ordinance.
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  Speaker 1: But the backstory is celebratory. So the new fire chief,
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  Speaker 1: a Democrat, liberal guy, an animal rights guy, brings in
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  Speaker 1: his guys and um arrest me, handcuffed me for shooting
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  Speaker 1: that flaming arrow. Totally under control. We have wet towels,
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  Speaker 1: we have fire extinguishers. Believe me, I'm prepared for everything,
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  Speaker 1: especially dangerous possibilities. So they take me to jail, I
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  Speaker 1: handcuffed behind. After the show, yeah, right after they let
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  Speaker 1: us finish, because you know what happened. It wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: the brothers were very much like it, and they actually
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  Speaker 1: looked like those guys because the cops were piste off.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't want to arrest me, but they had to
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  Speaker 1: follow because there was an open flame ordinance I was
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  Speaker 1: virtually unaware of because of my history of shooting flaming
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  Speaker 1: arrows in this facility. I'm pleading ignorance, no whatever. So
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  Speaker 1: they took me to jail. Well, I go before the
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  Speaker 1: judge and he's another prick, and he sentenced me to jail,
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  Speaker 1: and I got a concert the next night, play every night.
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  Speaker 1: I do concerts every night. Sentences you to jail that
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  Speaker 1: without bond, and put me in a cage. So here's
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  Speaker 1: the here's the beauty of Ted news why I love
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  Speaker 1: Ted nugent Um. Then if you could speak on his back,
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  Speaker 1: which I do on an hourly basis, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: intimately and knowledgeably. Um. The sheriff came to that cell
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  Speaker 1: and forced that jail keeper to let me out, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, over my dead body, will I have Ted
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  Speaker 1: Nwton spend a minute in my jail for all you
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  Speaker 1: do for clean and sober promotion and law and order promotion,
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  Speaker 1: and whenever a cop gets injured in the line of duty,
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  Speaker 1: I'm always there raised money for their families. I have
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  Speaker 1: this history going back to when I was a late teenager.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been a law and order guy. So he said,
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  Speaker 1: over my dead body with Ted Nuton's spend any time
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  Speaker 1: in jail, and he cut me loose. And then the
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  Speaker 1: attorneys went into it and they examined all the evidence,
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  Speaker 1: and the charges were thrown out. My record was quashed.
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  Speaker 1: But that was a great experience. Where you get a
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  Speaker 1: guy that doesn't like flaming arrows, or the guy that
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  Speaker 1: shoots flaming arrows, especially if he carries a gun and
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  Speaker 1: kills innocent animals, you know that mindlessness. He in a
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  Speaker 1: political position can abuse that power. He did. And a
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  Speaker 1: guy who knew good over evil and right over wrong
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  Speaker 1: regardless of some statute. I'll give you an offshoot here.
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  Speaker 1: So a deer has caught an offense and a coyote
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  Speaker 1: has already eaten half of his ass, and he's struggling
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  Speaker 1: and traumatized and suffering. I'm going to call somebody. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna call somebody. It's illegal for me to shoot
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  Speaker 1: that dear. In order'm gona do. I'm gonna shoot that dear.
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  Speaker 1: I break the law. I break immoral laws if it's
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  Speaker 1: an imral law and an unjust law, especially as a cop.
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  Speaker 1: If it's an oath violating law, I'm not obeying it.
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  Speaker 1: So in these instances there is a higher level of
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  Speaker 1: right over wrong. I happened to have mutual confidence. Did
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  Speaker 1: I know what that level is? And that that sheriff
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  Speaker 1: did for example, when we turn this when when that
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  Speaker 1: dispatching a deer suffering a suffering deer is a certain
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  Speaker 1: moral plane, and firing flame and arrows on stage is
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  Speaker 1: a different moral plane. After after twenty years of doing so, yep,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think there is a parallel where I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna take you on a journey to exciting parallel to
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  Speaker 1: the center of your mind. Yeah, this is I wrote it,
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  Speaker 1: and it come along if you can. What a great song. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: we're reviewing that song last night because I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to I was I was I was giving sort of
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  Speaker 1: I was giving me crean sort of a crash course
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  Speaker 1: and all things nugent, and I was inviting I was
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  Speaker 1: inviting her to reconcile your your life long advocacy for
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  Speaker 1: abstemiousness deposed with the lyrics have come along if you can,
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  Speaker 1: to the center of your mind, which one might think
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  Speaker 1: was a call to do halluciness great, What a great story.
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  Speaker 1: You want the story? It's a phenomenal and it's just
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  Speaker 1: a juxtaposition. And I can latch the two in a
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  Speaker 1: seamless joint. Please makes fiery arrows? How my friends have
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  Speaker 1: always been? How could nugent be abstemious if he's inviting
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  Speaker 1: people to go to the center of their mind. There
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  Speaker 1: was a movie called Journey to the Center of the Earth.
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  Speaker 1: And when you're a songwriter, especially when you're a teenager,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of grasp on colloquialisms and terms and maybe
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  Speaker 1: movie statements or other song titles. And when you're a
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  Speaker 1: bow hunter, your your your radar is more expansive than
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  Speaker 1: the average hippie you collaborate with. So when when Steve
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  Speaker 1: Farr a T shirt, which was a collaborative hippie I
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  Speaker 1: was collaborating with um, he was stoned. I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea because when I was growing up it was bows
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  Speaker 1: and arrows, stalking the Rouge River, learning chuck Berry music
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  Speaker 1: and girls. I had no idea why the cheshire cat
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  Speaker 1: was grinning in Alice in Wonderland and that that was
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  Speaker 1: a bong. Are you guys lost? Okay, good, We're in
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  Speaker 1: a good arena here. I had no idea. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know what marijuana was. I performed at you of d
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  Speaker 1: and Catholic Central Pool, Partisan SA cops, and the beating
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  Speaker 1: was pre hippies with the bretum was Jobe Gillis kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff um and and I had no idea what
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  Speaker 1: dope was. So when Steve Farmer roe Journey in the
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  Speaker 1: Center of the Mind, I went, that's a great plan
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  Speaker 1: words of that movie title, and I think a person
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  Speaker 1: probably should sit back once in a while, like I
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  Speaker 1: do every year season and examine where he's going in life,
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  Speaker 1: and review his mindset and his dreams and his goals.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't surprise anybody here, I suspect or anybody else that
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  Speaker 1: has a brain. So I went along, come along if
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  Speaker 1: you care, come along if you dare, take a ride
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  Speaker 1: to the So, yeah, made perfect sense. I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea there was a chemical warfare component to that until
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  Speaker 1: I caught Steve drooling and eventually throwing up and stumbling,
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  Speaker 1: which solidified my hatred for chemical warfare upon oneself. I
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  Speaker 1: hate it. I hate people that intentionally destroy their level
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  Speaker 1: of awareness and intentionally slither into the liability column instead
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  Speaker 1: of the asset column. That's what drugs and alcohol due
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  Speaker 1: to you case close Keith Richard's notwithstanding great guy. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I developed a hatred for that, witnessing my fellow
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  Speaker 1: musicians who I so revered and so pursued a united
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  Speaker 1: dream of musical adventure and creativity until they started puking
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  Speaker 1: and dying, and I just and again it goes back
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  Speaker 1: to my bow hunting nobody drunk or stoned kills the
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  Speaker 1: deer of the bone arrow virtually impossibly named Rick. You
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  Speaker 1: must you must hunt South Texas because they're really dumb
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  Speaker 1: deer down there. Um. The point is is that I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea when they when they showed me the
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  Speaker 1: cover of Journey The Center of the Mind, I saw this.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was blown glass. You know how you
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  Speaker 1: make vazes and little Yeah, I had no idea what
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  Speaker 1: they were. Have you been asked this question for thousands
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  Speaker 1: of times? I had no idea what they were because
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  Speaker 1: I was so into my organic cravings for guitar music,
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting and girls. What a that's the what do
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  Speaker 1: they call that down in uh Louisiana? The trinity for
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  Speaker 1: the food? Yes, that's the trinity for my American dream?
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  Speaker 1: What is it? Again? It's as the Pope's hat as
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  Speaker 1: the garlic, so with yeah, that's a freesome. That would
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  Speaker 1: be the I do have a freesome. She's upstairs, um,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, that was my goal I had. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: happy that I never understood or pursued the puke lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: I just I it's ruined everybody's lives. I read recently
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  Speaker 1: that you have I think you had said this somewhere
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  Speaker 1: that you have taken to having a little red wine now,
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  Speaker 1: and I do. I absolutely since I met Shamayne um
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  Speaker 1: and whine after a modicum of research, it's good for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually good for you and my my son's, my
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  Speaker 1: my brother, my sister, and my friends and my band crew.
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  Speaker 1: They drink beers and they have a sun Downer and
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  Speaker 1: they have what Sammy Hagar's got is whatever that stuff is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And as long as we can communicate and that and
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  Speaker 1: the drool and the stumbling doesn't occur, you can do
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  Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. I have friends that smoke dope,
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  Speaker 1: and I've got friends that I got to stop smoking dope.
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  Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen. His first call after rehab was to
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  Speaker 1: me to thank me for constantly pounding on him that
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  Speaker 1: you're ruining your life. You've got this gift, you're ruining it,
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  Speaker 1: You're ruining the people around you. And I'm hard core.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed that about me, but
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  Speaker 1: I've helped people get clean and sober by showing them
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  Speaker 1: that you want fun, you want crazy, I'm the bar.
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  Speaker 1: I've set the bar for funding crazy without outside stimuli.
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  Speaker 1: It's inside of me. God gave us whatever we need
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  Speaker 1: to do whatever we want every day, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: come in a bottle. It comes from the guts, comes
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  Speaker 1: from the spirit. And I've always promoted that. So if
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  Speaker 1: you go to my Facebook and witness the number of
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  Speaker 1: people that I've impacted to become clean and sober and
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  Speaker 1: to pursue sobriety, I'm very very proud of that. Okay, Clay,
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  Speaker 1: flaming arrows, go ahead, and then I gotta do the
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  Speaker 1: stuff I gotta do, gonna come back. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: come back in hard. We're going way back into our conversation.
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  Speaker 1: But I have a real functional question I could go
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  Speaker 1: there about how do you shoot? What what? What? What
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  Speaker 1: do you use to make a flaming arrow? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: had to pursue that with the people at Eastern arrows
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  Speaker 1: because I was hired one time to shoot the opening
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  Speaker 1: arrow um like the Olympic archer did for the International
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  Speaker 1: Olympics one time. Remember that awesome? I mean you actually
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  Speaker 1: shot the Olympic arrow I did in the Michigan Olympics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they hired me. So I didn't because when i
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  Speaker 1: shot my flaming arrows on stage, i'd get a full
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  Speaker 1: length back then it was cedar arrows and I'd have
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  Speaker 1: to get full length or for it. Yeah, but we'd
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  Speaker 1: wrap it in in uh cotton and rillo pads and
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  Speaker 1: soaking in lighter fluid, and the I hold the bow
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  Speaker 1: in the arrow and my brother John, God rest his soul,
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  Speaker 1: got some stories I could tell you. It's just I've
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  Speaker 1: had so much fun I'm almost guilty. Um, And they'd
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  Speaker 1: like this flaming arrow and wed I had. I shot
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  Speaker 1: a vulture one time from my Yamaha with my forty
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  Speaker 1: four magnet. I shot the vulture and the taxing rooms
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  Speaker 1: mountited it. It's all illegal so far. I hope there's
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  Speaker 1: statutes of limitations on this podcast. And we had that
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  Speaker 1: vulture mounted with wings spread out. We put a back
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  Speaker 1: late on. You don't know how cool that would look
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  Speaker 1: with some smoke on stage. How rock and roll is that?
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  Speaker 1: And my brother would set up those uh styrofoam heads
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  Speaker 1: that ladies put their wigs on overnight, and we'd we'd
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  Speaker 1: put like a skeleton look to it, and he would
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: put lighter fluid inside it, and we'd get some kind
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of feathers in various methods and stick him out of
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: the skull. So it was really graphic. And that's that
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: kind of rock and roll imagery that like the heavy
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: metal guys used. And I draw that arrow back, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I'd have to shoot it fast. It was all with
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the re curves and longbows, and I'd shoot that skull off.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: The appened the fultu and people didn't know whether that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the ship to go blinding. Guys got a ball arrow.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: It was awesome, but eventually the flame wouldn't go out. No,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: But eventually when I did it, and I prowled the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: stage more in an extent more than a moment or two,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that had to keep going. And I think I might
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: have some of those arrows here, but Easton made me
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: some forty injures that they put a little cone on
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: to reduce the air flowing onto the flames. So it
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: would last longer. That's how they did. They made the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Olympic arrow for the International Olympics, and they made me
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those, and so it would have a
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: little comb to protect the flame from the wind drift.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And again we a rapid with billow pads and and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: cotton and dowser. It was. It's so graphic because that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I talk mystical flight of the arrow, which why I've
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: always used big feathers, white feathers, and I always used
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: white arrows like Ben Pearson, Howard Hill, Fred bare The
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: always shot white arrows because the archery is the arch,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and you should witness the arch and instinctive shooting. You
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: have to you have to imprint those arches. Part of
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the white arrow was visual, yes, and so with the flaming.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So you're speaking to cow because Cayl Phill uses old
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: timmy bows, Yeah, I do too. I was so powerful,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, shoot traditional archery. I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: mean what I've been hunting with you. Yeah, I mean
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I come in and out of it. But thin the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: more you shoot instinctive old I won't call him traditional
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: because I'm it doesn't matter what kind of bows in
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: my hand I'm purely traditional wind Son spirit stealth, higher
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: level of technical tactical awareness. But the more you shoot
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: an old fashioned instinctive, the next time you shoot your compound,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you'll be the best shot you've ever been with a compound,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: because there's something about that muscle memory and under a
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: full tension without the reduction, and getting that string to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: roll off those fingers right about here. There's no Joe
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Biden about here. It's true. It's true. Here you're saying
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you're clear in your mind center as you pull back
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: your your irritation. Believe me, when I head towards my
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: bow rack, the irritations are gone. By the way, the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: ultimate use of the term irritations that my spirit irritates
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: their demons skull really really quick. We're getting some beard,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: rub I bet you why. That's cool. It's like organic
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: about that. Can I jump to the uh my high
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: school when we were talking about the sobriety. Yeah, yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that's great. Okay, So here's the plan. Here's the plan.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You do that. You do that, I'm gonna do some
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: things I need to do. We're gonna come back. We're
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: not getting to the agendas. Nothing so far needs to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: be edited, We're gonna come back, and I'm gonna refer
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to a a what I took to be in a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: previous conversation, a crossbow gesture you made, Yes I did,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and hold it. We're gonna come back. But if cal
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: has another near a Nugent near miss yeah, so it
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: almost got you. High school like pep rally, okay, And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: somebody had selected a Ted Nugent song and I look
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: over look over at a teacher of mine. It's kind
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of shaking her head. And we listened toed probably like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the height of the era in the high school locker room, uh,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: weight lifting room and all that stuff. Football right, And
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't like Ted Nugim. She's
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like one time he came and spoke here. So apparently
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you had a hunt in Montana and somebody, yes I did,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: to speaking at her high school with the Rocky Mountain
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Oolk Foundation in Missoula. So hell Gate High School, Missoula, Montana,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and the whole the whole speech was like thousands I've done.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I do it all the time, being clean and sober,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: being the best that you can be. God, Family, Country, Constitution,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: build of Rights, ten Commandments, Golden Rule, law and order,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: putting your heart and soul into being the best that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you can be. That mantra actually pisces off horrible people.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So you were looking at the horrible person. That's not
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: what made the person mad. It sounds like he came
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in a little hot and delivered the ten Commandments, Uh, God, Country,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: freedom with a lot of cussing to I might have
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: said the word ship. And if God knows, by the way,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: when I when I said the word ship, I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: eleven children died that day. How about this? Her priorities
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: are askew I made. I was voted the number one
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: DARE officer in the United States of America Drug Resistance education.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And you gotta know your crowd not not no, you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: have to be honest. I don't really give a damn
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: about my crowd. I'm gonna be honest. If my crowd
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: has a problem with it, they're bad people. How's that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: there's a generous I swear. So if she had a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: problem from listen to this dog. If you have a
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: problem with something, Ted says, you're a bad person, let
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: me let me let me make sure you understand that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: But so the the presentations about being clean and sober,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and she focused on the word ship, which which connected
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: me closer to those children that she is incapable of.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: She could not have saved a child's life to get
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: off substance abuse. I did you have a problem with Ted?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Nu just says you're a bad person, your priorities are askew,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and you're not accomplishing anything meaningful each ship and die.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: How's that? A teacher? Teachers? She also ran the Key Club,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in which I was an officer. So you want to
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: let her slide a little by the way that last
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: statement I made, he is part of Howard slide. But
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: that's the punchline of the of the your story. She
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was upset with him for customers. There more we made
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: really interesting to me. It was that was like the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: first time that that somebody she then had to explain
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to me, because I was like truth, was like bullshit.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: This guy Wango tangoes clean, sober living guy, I'm like bullshit.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And and so she had to explain to me the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: abstinence decide better Ted than Dad, and I just stuff
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. Yeah, it was like it was so probably
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: seventeen the thought of that being associated with rock and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: roll in any sort of way. It was just like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: two ships passing in the night, like not not the
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: same thing. So that was pretty eye opening experience. You know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: if I'm anything, I'm an eye opener um because I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: don't play status quo games. In fact, I stomp it
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: every day of my life. If anything, status quo is
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: not good for you, um any, especially in the world
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of what we've seen, our education plummet too, and she
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: is an indication of that. She's a manifestation of that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: cultural deprivation where their priorities are askew. Instead of trying
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to save children from the the peer pressure lie, she's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: cautious about her presentation, which means that children don't believe her.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And if she was involved with something positive, I salute
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: all her positive moves. But when it comes to the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: street dangers of substance abuse running a muck, you better
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: have a hard core son of a bitch delivering that message,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: because if it's somebody adjusting to tie and being cautious
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: about what they say, the kids will laugh in their
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: face and probably smoke more dope here that Yeah, here
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: we go. Uh. This year's TRC piece, sweep Snakes, has
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: already started now here's the deal of the entry period
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: runs through April. This is the this is the We've
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: done us a bunch of times. Now. The grand prize
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: is a turkey hunt trip with me in Michigan. That's
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: not there because he's said, come on, people are attention
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for one second, they're gonna be I heard that. Come on,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So three night, two day hunt you and a buddy
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: in southwestern Michigan. Go to www dot t r cp
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: dot org slash sweep Steaks by April at midnight. All
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: donations we'll support t r CPS mission to guarantee all
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Americans quality places the hunting fish. See official rules for
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: details on how to enter without making a donation. That's
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: always like a little legal thing. If I was gonna
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: become an attorney, and I used to think maybe I would,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I would focus on raffle and sweep steaks. The law
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that's the most bullshit ridden world. Yes, like you you're
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: really your a little kid, and you like have to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: buy like the Captain Crunch to enter to win, like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a in your box top and then you or or
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you don't need to buy Captain Crunch, you just write
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a letter. It's sweep stakes law is a horrible regardless
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of donations. Okay, so so go there if you if
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you wanna learn how to enter to win the hunt
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: without actually doing anything to support the organization. There's a
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: way around this. All go to the official rules regardless
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of donation status. There is a limit of five hundred
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: entries per person for the entire interviewer. Now I'd like
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to get into here's the thing. There's two things. I'm
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: at a torn here because I would like to talk
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: about how much we raised through this annual event, but
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that would make people feel like they had a low
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: chance of winning. So I'm not gonna talk about it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: But it's important people that enter every year, four or
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: five people interviewear. In fact, on May we're doing last
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: year's winners are meeting me and Yanni on the farm
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to hunt turkeys on May. I'm flying there on May
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: ten for last year's winners, but we're talking about the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: next group of winners. Uh oh. Also another announcement, Billings
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Live Show is May three, Alberta Beart Theater, Billings, Montana
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: me eatter Live uh Alberta Beart b ai R. Go
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to their website to get tickets. Tickets are live now
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: disclaimer not in Alberta, not in Alberta, Billings, Montana. Yeah,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Michael Hunter, the chef up in Canada that he got
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: excited when he saw that, but then he read more
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: carefully realized it wasn't in Canada at Alberta. Get Alberta
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and Girls right Alberta Beart Theater, Billings, Montana, May three event. Uh,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: cow will be there. Get your tickets now. Uh. The
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Land Access Initiative, when are we running the auction house
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of odys. It's gonna be middle of April, so right
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: around April fift Okay, so uh, we're doing two things
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: right now. We're we're soliciting submissions for the Land Access Initiative.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: How long is they're hunting and fishing for America? Yeah?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: So if you know, like the ifect spot for a
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: boat launch, I keep throwing that example on easement from
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: through private to public, anything that provides more access to
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing for America. If you have good ideas
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: where we could implement this, go to the meat eater
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: dot com. Underneath conservation there's our Land Access Initiative and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you can submit a project or property. This can be individuals,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: this can be UM state and federal agencies. If it
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: provides more access, we're gonna take a hard look at it,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: hopefully raise a bunch of money. We're gonna throw in
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money of our own. Last year we
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: raised over seventy tho dollars, sorry, two years ago, over
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: seventy thou dollars for our first project, which was Shiloh Pond,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: which was uh public use area that was threatened of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: going away forever. And now it belongs to the town
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: ship of Kingsfield Main and is open to public access
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: in perpetuity. You can fish it, hunt it. Good for you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: That's a beautiful There's a lot of that out there here.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Another quick point. I think we had the bumps some stuff,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but I ain't to raised this point Clay. If you
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: listen to Clay's show, Bear Grease, you've heard his the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Jerry like I think I told you about Jerry Clowd.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: You you need to prove to me that you knew
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: about Jerry clarr before I told you about Jerry Clowds.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You when you said that to me context we did
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the episode. Let me back up and we're gonna get
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: back to our guess. People are from with the Grand
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Old Opry. Between acts at the Grand Old Opry, there's
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a guy Jerry Cloward used to get up and tell
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like coon hunting stories at the Grand Old Opry. That's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a grand I listening to Jerry Clower. Yeah, and I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I told I think I said, if you like coon
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: hun you are to listen to Jerry Cloward. And then
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Clay did a whole episode in Jerry Clower and Credit
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: in which he neglected, not only to Steve is really
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: upset he neglected. I don't think he even brings up
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the fact that I grew up listen Jerry Clark, or
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that you should have interviewed me, because I could quote
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: any Jerry Clark story. I think Phil edited that part out. No,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you did mention Jerry Clowd to me, but that wouldn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: have been the claim that that was the first you
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: were the person that introduced me to Jerry Clower would
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: be inaccurate. So but but now that you say that,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I do remember you mentioned in that one time to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: me you did mention Jerry Clowd. And and the Jerry
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Clowd episode which will have already come out now some
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: people would have heard it on Bargrease it. It came
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: on super quick, and so Steve I just didn't have time.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I actually thought about texting you to see if he
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: even knew who he was, because but he literally didn't
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: have time for text so fast. Yeah, when you hear
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the episode, you'll hear me make some assumptions about people
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: who know who Jerry Cloud is and you would not
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: fit into that assumption. Is it Cloud or Clower? He was.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: He was a Southern comedian and he wouldn't tell His
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: thing was he wouldn't tell a story that he wouldn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: stand up from his church to tell. So he would
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he would have he would have clashed because Jerry Clowd
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you would use no profanity as a comedian, but would
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: tell these wonderful coon hunting stories. Now here's how I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: know him. My my mom was from the suburbs of Chicago,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: like which is now a suburb but was then farm country.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: She was a w g N, the radio station w
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: g N. She like, she had country music radio stays
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and they covered the sports, so they covered she was
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: clubs cubs, right. She would like when she moved up
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to Michigan, you know, she'd be out there wrapping aluminum
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: foil around the antenna and shipped to try to listen
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to w g N. Clower used to now and then
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: go on w g N to tell a story. So
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that's my whole connection to Cloud. Yeah, respect the Houston,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the South. One last thing that we're back to our
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: guess this is a burning question. I was questioning why
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: when you put a radio collar on a mountain, lion
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever, why you have it pull its location every
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: thirteen hours? And I said, that's weird. Why would you
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: not like it? Seems like most people be like, oh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't do it every twelve hours. What's the magic
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: of every thirteen hours? Heffelfinger and a bunch of other
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: people rolled in to explain. Jim Heffelfinger says, the reason
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: radio collars are set to record the location every thirteen hours,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: so they are collecting locations every clock hour in the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: twenty four hour cycle. I'll go on and not following
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: if you set it for noon and midnight only. If
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you set it for noon and midnights on a twenty
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: four hour cycle, you only know where they are at
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: noon or midnight, and you probably only find out where
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: they like to bed down if you set it for
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: thirteen hours. You get a location at one pm one day,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: then two am, then three pm, then four am. After
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a month, you have locations for every hour on the clock.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Then you take all those data points and analyze what
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you're doing at any time during the twenty four hour
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: cycle you're interested in. With turkeys, we often collect every
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: hour during daylight hours and then pull one point at
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: eleven fifty nine pm to get the nightly roost location. Now,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Fred Bear, No, actually I've I've got a quick before
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: we get too far away from public education and Ted Nugent,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I've got a public education, which is I do? Yeah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I've got some Ted story that's true. I wasn't even
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: gonna bring us up. And I'm afraid to now that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I heard you obliterate Cal's teacher. So I went to
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: dedicator life to public education. Okay, So I went to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Evergreen High School in Vancouver, Washington. Uh. My first week
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of high school, this teacher, I'll mention his name in
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a SEC rolls in that I think I do. He
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: rolls in, you know, he goes to a v room,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: rolls in an old TV in a VCR, starts telling
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Hi a story about how he used to be a
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: songwriter in Los Angeles. His name was Randy Kate. Does
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that name ring any bells? And he sticks in a
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: VHS state. I think it was probably my second day
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: of high school and we watched the video for a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: song called Tied Up in Love, which he says he
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: co wrote. Could be Okay, I don't know if I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: attribute that name to that song, but if he says so,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Okay, he
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: was really proud of it piece, and just give it
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, a great piece of music with Brian Howe,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: God Rest his soul, who I hired for that album
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Penetrator in the eighties and uh and uh, Brian just
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: here passed away here a couple of years ago. Just
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a great, great British singer who ended up singing lead
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: for Bad Company for two years and wrote there some
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of their biggest songs. Um. But that song was on
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the Penetrator album and it's it's a well known song
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and it's a killer song. But he did it on keyboards,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: which I don't care for, and I do it on guitar,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: which I really care for. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, want to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: say that forever stuff? Who who doesn't have a Ted
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Nugent start around for seing does I got, I got it,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I got I gotta tell what it'll be so short,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: so ted I grew up. You know, I'm in the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: nineties was kind of my peak time of damn taking
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: in taking outdoor media. My dad was a big bow hunter,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: so we watched all the Arkansas and so my dad's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: really good friend, John mesco he they loved you guys.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: John had a zebra striped jeep Ted Nugent style zebra
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: stripe jeep, and he had he also had this is
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: my dad's best friend, and you know, kind of like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: a second dad to me. And he also had the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Oneida Eagle whack Master stripe. So I mean we were
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: we were big into all that and and there really
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: is a lot of stories. I've been around a long time.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I got a big mouth. I celebrate my life. I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: celebrate the American dream. I celebrate all the good stuff
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and condemn all the bad stuff. I'm I'm what the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Founding Fathers wanted all Americans to be. You can laugh
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: all you want, engaged, engage, they want they wanted us
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to be engaged. I'm engaged, and I'm considered radical because
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm engaged. I'm considered radical because I spot like cockroaches
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: who abuse power. Well, did you mind your own business?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: America is my business. Freedom is my business. So everybody's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: got a story. And if you follow me around anywhere,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: whether it's Whole Foods and the pierced nipple, guys come
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: out and want to talk about venison and ten millimeters
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: or the Starbucks where you wouldn't think it was Ted
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Nugent country. In Mill Valley, California, the purple haired gal
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: wants to know what kind of guns you should buy
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: her grandma. My confidence level is dangerous, but I'm humbled
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: by deer. So everybody does have a Ted Nugent story,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: because unless you've been living under a rock, you had
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: to have witnessed me raise hell or have fun, or
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: be a smartass, or just live a fire breathing freedom lifestyle.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: So it is I think a universal truism that I've
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: left a vapor trail because I'm engaged. I'm hardcore engaged.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: They call him Kim trail these days, accept minor not
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: toxic um. So when um for like, Okay, I grew
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: up in Michigan and I graduated high school and it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: like and why and whanting to come talk to you.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: One of the primary the reasons you've had relevance to
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: me my whole life is uh, what you meant two
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: guys like me at that juncture, like at that time
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: in our life, particularly when it came to sort of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a crescendo in the Fred Bear era where it was
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: like we liked Um. We all my friends I would
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: grow up hunting Um and Austin. Here is this person
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: from our area who celebrated that area and just really
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: in a popular way, really spoke to a thing that
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: we cared a lot about, and it was like finding
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: uh representation at that time and just to help people
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: understand sort of like how that like permeated culture, that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: culture in that era is. I remember one day I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: was driving and I was driving out for the opening
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: day archery season and I was hunting this I was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: hunting the area of Manaseee National Forest, which you know
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: well it was a little place on the White River,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and it was probably an hour before daylight listening to
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: FM radio. Fred came on and the guys like, hey, man,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like I know what's going on right now with a
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: lot of you out there and here's something for you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And then sort of the pre morning darkness and it
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: hit as I was going down to two tracks through
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Manassee National Forest, He's like, you'll know what it means
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: and would roll fred Bear. I'm talking like mainstream FM
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: radio and he picked he picked his moment with like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he knew you know, it was just like it was.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: If it wasn't for me, he wouldn't have known. Probably
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: probably in that case that he was like a rock
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and roll like a disc jockey. You know. That was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: back when like FM read like had like live people
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: sitting there making selections. But it was, um, it was
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: like it was deeply impactful at that time. I want
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: but what I want to do is how like talk
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: about how you got tangled up an archery and what
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the connection to Fred Bear, like who Fred Bear was
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and what was going on in bow hunting at that time.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that you know, the first archery season
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and you mentioned the first guy to legally kill a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: deer the bow in Wisconsin. George Yea, Like, how did you, like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: how did you get tangled up in that world and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: how did you become into Fred Bear? Well, first of all,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: and why did he take you seriously? You know, let
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: me out maximize the spotlight on your anecdot out of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: hearing the fread Bear song on a rock and roll
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: radio station, celebrating You're very pulse at that moment, and
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: how I've heard is it tens of thousands of those
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: stories probably, And I have trained the otherwise anti hunting
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: media rock and roll dopers to celebrate conservation because of
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: that song, which was organic and spontaneous and uncontrollable. When
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: that song happened, as anything in life. I was born
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: in Detroit along the Rouge River in Detroit, which was
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: a wildlife paradise. The pheasanisant quail. It's just, oh my god.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I my essence was learning to slither onto a covey
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of quail like a pointing dog. And how that happened.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Dad was already a follower of fred Bear when I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: was born forty eight. He already had a bow. I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: got his bow in the other room there, and we
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: would go north every October, including October I was ten
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: months old, and and hunt the Mandaesee National Forest and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: up a near standish and hillman hawks and up around
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: uh Manistee, and I think every kid back then had
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: a Daisy red Rider BB gun episode homemade sling shots.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Everybody made homemade sling shots. Um, everybody made a homemade
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: bow and arrow. I mean where I was in Detroit,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: but everybody made a bow and arrow. Go down to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the Rouge River and cut down a sapling and flex
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it for and get a bailing twine and bend it
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and cut some other ones and try to get them
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: straight and shoot those arrows. I think it's as primal
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: a calling as exists. It's probably projectile management, slash sex.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: You need to propagate and you need to protect and feed.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's as raw as your breath. And because my
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: dad was a bow hunter, and because of that era,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: following World War Two, my god, what a positive, glowing,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: good over evil universal celebration where we crushed the Nazis
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: because the g I s had freedom to come home
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: to which made their warrior spirit more dangerous, more wonderful,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: and the work ethic, the community, the pride of accomplishment,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and the forced pride of accomplishment by by my dad.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: What a son of a bit. It was a paid
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: to the ask growing up, but boy did it pan out.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Was a veteran, Yes, World War two Korea, US Army
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Cavalry jewel sergeant, and he never stopped I could anyhow,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: So the discipline of gun safety, the discipline of instead
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of bumbling into cova quail, but learning to walk slower.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And this looks like perfect oail habitat. I think I'll
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: get down on the ground now and see if there's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: any quail over there, and then I would literally snake
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and learn the lessons that your teacher missed that cause
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and effect without due respect, she she missed out on it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: She never slithered up on a cover your quail. I'm
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: sure she had lessons and cause and effect, but nothing
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: more emphatic at that mushy brained youth of mind, your
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: mushy brained, and you're picking up on information. If your
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: parents nurture and discipline you to pick up in information
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: because you can't make the same mistake twice or will
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: knock your block off. You ever heard that term before
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: goes with nose to the grindstone and all that kind
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: of stuff that I think is illegal. Now, So my
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: discipline by my dad and the natural reward words of discipline,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: hitting that pheasant before it flushed and on occasion hid
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it when it did flush. I mean, that was so gratifying,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: so so hallelujah of a moment. I take that quail
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: home I killed, and my dad showed me how to
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: pluck it and sometimes skin it and filet it and
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: gut it and cook it. What incredible lessons for life
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: itself and the gratification factor of going from a homemade
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: bow and shooting the occasional chipmunk to actually getting a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: fiberglass bare bow with real arrows. Are you kidding me?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Because we didn't have any money. We we lower a
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: middle class but frugal and prioritized, which means that you're
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: better than rich people. But you essentially went from a
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: red rider be begun to at that point overnight. No,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: not really, not really. I was so and remained so
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: engrossed in the mystical flight of the arrow that I
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: have sniper rifles and when I have to kill more animals,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I pull them out. But I am so at seventy
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: three point five years, I'm more titillated than I was
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: as that kid, which is a gift because I've been
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: cleaning sober, so my my central radar still real touchy.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I consider my entire life to be a purple rimmed dick,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and the slightest breeze, the slightest breeze, come to attention,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: how am I doing so? Anyhow? So anyhow I am.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I am raw and pure because I've been cleaning sober,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I have no tainting um. And so in that era,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: we'd go north. Here, I'll try not to cry. We'd
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: go north and stop and grailing as this little boy.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And here's this kind of dull yellow cinder block shack.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: That Nell's Grumley, Nell's Grumley, no original bowyer of Fred
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Bear that left Detroit and went to Grayling and forty
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: eight me whatever the year was, Bear archery, little shaft.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe the size of this room were those guys making.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Those guys were added in those years, Yeah, like producing
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: both to sell because they saw hunting with the bow
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and arrow by Saxon Pope and Art Young at the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Detroit Theater that that documented the Issy education phenomena as
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Roy weatherby God bless him, developing long range ballistic capability
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: beyond the thirty thirty am small missmall. That's exciting. I
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: love it. I lived at my surprise. I didn't have
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: surgery and my eyeballs to put crosshairs in there. I
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: love crosshairs now, I love trigger squeeze, and I love
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the ballet of marksmanship. I get to train with delta
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: force and shoot thousand yards stuff and it it's so
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: challenge and fulfilling. But we'd stopped at this little shack,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and I didn't know because it started when I was
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: a year old. But by the time I was four
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: or five, and I'm already cruising the Rouge River with
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: homemade bows and narrows, so I'm already naturally fascinated by projectiles.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I made my own sling shots and I was murdered.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I think I had the songbird Grand Slam. By the
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: time I was seven, I had a blind right next
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to the bird feeder. I learned early productive, highly productive.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: We're gonna kill birds. Let's go by the bird feeder. Um.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: But we'd meet this tall, lanky, funny gentleman, easy going,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: slow guy, and eventually I'm going that's Fred Bear. That's
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the guy in True magazine with a polar Bear. I
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: met him where at at this little bar archery shack nine,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: probably as early as fifty two fifty three, um, and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: events just going in there. My dad would stop and
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: visit with him. But but this is you're not even
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: touching professional music land about this pome No, I'm playing guitar. Well,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: by the time I was six, I was beating on
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: a guitar. So the bow and arrow outdoor fascination. And again,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you don't start quail when you're four or five. At
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the time I was six or seven, I never played
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: ball or I played a little hockey in the Rouge
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: River and I did little league stuff. But I couldn't
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: wait to get to the river with my bone arrow
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: and my sling shot. So now I'm getting to be
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: seven or eight years old and I'm actually following my
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: dad in the National forest with a bow and arrow. Um.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously I couldn't kill anything, but it was an imprinting lifestyle. Well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: now I'm realizing this guy were stopping at the Gradling
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: restaurant having cherry pie and chocolate milk with that's Fred Bear.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: That's like my bow hunting Chuck Berry and I get
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: to hang with him and every year. Eventually my dad,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: who went from working for mybll on Lasher and Grand River.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I remember all this stuff, um, and to go to
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Miller's feed store. Explain what mob bell was, the original
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: A T and T the phone company military. Yeah, just
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: just after the crank phone, and now we can dial them.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I go way back, man Um, So the crank to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: dial phone. It played a role in my fascination with
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: going from homemade bows to the to the fiberglass recurve
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to meeting Fred Bare. And of course when you had
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: two seater arrows back then with real fletching, Yeah, hung
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: out of an arsenal. It's like a high capacity quiver
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: back then. And here's Fred Bare with a wall full
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: of arrows, and he's he's experimenting with his lathe with
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: his lamination, the gooey glass and the fiberglass and the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: wood layers. He invented the the layering of those components too,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: for improved cast of his artistic recurves, his beautiful pieces
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: of wood craftsmanship. And he was such a fun guy,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: funny guy, smartass. As I grew older, I realized he's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: funny guy. And then my dad went from working for
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the phone company to represent the Utah Home Swedish Steel
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Company UM and their especialty was rolled tempered blue spring
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: steel bear razor insert and he negotiated with Fred and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: so now that the steel company from Sweden that my
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: dad represented now made the bleeder blades for the famous
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: bear razorheads, and now they had a business connection, and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: so they would hunt the quarter sections up there after,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the timbering company denuded northern Michigan, and that
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: habitat that grew up from the over harvesting Noptember, the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: total harvesting Noptember perfect wildlife habitat. Everything, all wildlife benefited
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: from this new accessible I mean beautiful. So these lessons
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: are these lessons are going into my brain in spite
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: of the anti education system. And so by the time
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I'm uh fourteen, I'm like gaga that we're gonna stop
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: at Fred Bear's place. And it was still just a shack.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I think he'd expanded it by that time. So he
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: we eat cherry pie and chocolate milk at the gray
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Lean restaurant with Fred Bear. And now I'm really shooting.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to kill stuff with my bone arrow. Then
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: my dad got transferred to Illinois Schaumburg, where it was
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: all pheasant country and there was no deer back then,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: but a lot of small game and sixty five, my
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: band had just won the Michigan Battle of the Bands.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: We opened up for the Supremes at the brand new
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Cobo Hall. I was on my way and I got
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: yanked out of my damn it. So I started the
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Ambo Dukes the day I landed in Chicago, in in
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Schaumburg Um and that's when the amboy Do started. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: then when I graduated in sixty seven, I immediately went
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: back and went up to say hello to Fred. And
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: now it's not a shock. It's the largest archery company
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: on the planet with this huge museum. It was I
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: was like, awesome, But I'm starting to look a little hippie,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: like got long hair, and I'm amboy Dukes are just
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: breathing rhythm and blues, rock and roll fire, just the intensity,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: and shoot flaming arrows on stage. And this is a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: great You'll you'll love this part. I know you probably
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: love all these parts. I love all these parts. So
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: now I go up and reintroduced myself to Fred. But
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking like a hippie. I had bell
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: bottoms on and you know, patchwork leather jacket and forty
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: four magnum in my belt and a pocket full of speedloaders.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Nobody saw that. But boy, I wasn't a hippie um,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and he was a little off. And I remember you
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: telling you it's a great as your dad's children. We
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: had a conversation, but I could tell it was a
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: little uncomfortable, and I was really let down. You know.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Did you know the why it was uncomfortable for him
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: because of the Yeah, but then he would have been
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: like in his fifties or yes, when he just started
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: going on adventure hunt like when when you were when
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: you were this hippie coming. He was probably in his fifties.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: So many erration real disdained for anything hippie um that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I agreed with, even though I'm in the swirl of
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: that world and they were nice hippies and my band
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: were hippies, um, not not many of them. They eventually
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: became hippie UM. But I was still militantly anti substance
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: abuse because I had already witnessed it turned virtuosos into
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: celebrity and idiots. So my dad's discipline, instead of me
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: being a rebel, I went on his advice makes sense
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: to benefit the quality of my music. I re rehearsed
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: and rehearsed, and our music was so powerful. I mean,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: listen to the opening journey the Center of Mine, not
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: anybody else that Gregor Raymond bass guitar. Holy God, what
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a gifted young man, sixteen years old playing stuff that
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Bob Babbitt and James Jamerson of the infamous Motown Funk
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Brothers would come and watch the amboy Duke because Greg's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: bass play was so out of this world sixteen year
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: old kid, and the world's most revered bass players for
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Motown would come and watch Greg. So I'm going all
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: over the place here, but coless and so the word
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I got. I went back and visited Fred again, and
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that was sixty seven again, and sixty eight when I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: started hunting irons. I'm hunting the maneste alshal Forrest, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: this time he was so happy to see me and
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: hugged me and shook my hand and asked me how
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the bow hunt is going. I hear you're a successful musician,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and um, he goes, you know, uh. I talked to
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: some of my buddies and they said that you always
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: promote bow hunting, and that you shoot bows and arrows
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: on stage, and that you're all about being clean and sober.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: So I guess I'll give me a second shot. Yeah,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: when I think rightly, So, I think you should be
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: suspicious of a of a cultural segment that is is
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: at least suspicious and all too often negative. Um. But
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: so we became just the best of friends because I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: like that he goes. When when young people come to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: my museum, they always asked me if I know Ted Dogen. Yes,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I have gotten going that music to hear guys. You
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: guys found like a symbio. You guys hit on like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: a symbiotic relations Yeah. Uniquely, uniquely, uh, collision of planets. Um,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: much to the benefit of both planets. Because I've never
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: gone on a radio or promoted tour without it turning
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: into a bow hunting promotion. I've never done gone and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: done an interview to promote a new record without it
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: turning into the celebration of the mystical flight of the era.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: And being clean and sober, that's why my guitar playing
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: is so sexy. I mean literally, it sounds cute, but
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: it's true. And so we became friends, and he started
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: inviting me to Grouse Haven over there in Rose City,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: his annual event, and it was have an unearthed too,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: And then I ended up playing bass for Chuck Burry
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: and bow Didley. So now I'm playing base for Chuck
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Barry bow Didley. I'm bow hunting with Fred Bear and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Parnelly Jones, driving me around the ind and the Mustang.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Where else can I go? And you said, Chuck Barry
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: was was your that's who are you playing guitar? To be? Like?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Of course that hap to be just on nine monumental? Right?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Whoa I need to um? As a young uppity, borderline,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: out of control energized guy, I had to like embrace
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: these moments. So as I pulled up to Fred Bear's camp, um,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I had to take a deep breath and go all right,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: sponge hang with Fred. I didn't even bow hunt much
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: because Fred didn't bow hunt much. And I'd stay at
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: their fireplace with him and try not to be too
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  Speaker 1: much of a stalker, but try to absorb all his
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: wisdom in his uh, his touch. And I did. And
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: then the last time, UH was October of eighty seven.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Him and we walked the lanes at Grouse Haven. He
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: had his oxygen tank that he carried with him, and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: he uh went on and on about how all the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: sporting goods shows. He goes to that anybody under forty,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: all they want to know is if they know if
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: he knows ted nugent. And of course that my ego
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: is like soaring in the stratosphere. Not really, but my
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: appreciation for that, my natural activities of celebrating archery, bow hunting, conservation,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: clean and sober did it. It ended up elevating to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: where my hero appreciated and thanked me for it. He said,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I've heard people in the industry will condemn you because
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: you're whack him and stack him. But the young people,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: young people know that that means you're having fun. I mean,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: we're only killing harvest semanthics. Really does this ring any bells?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: So he said, keep doing what you're doing. He goes,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you're impacting a demographic that we desperately need the impact,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and nobody in the industry can or even knows it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Gives a bunch of stuff. Sure, and every leader of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: every conservation organization is so cautious and dare you know what,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: children it just stodgy. Can I ask you a question specifically,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: stop me if because I feel like Fred has such
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: a reputation in the industry as being this like father
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: figure of archery, which I understand. I feel like most people,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: probably much younger than me, wouldn't We wouldn't have They
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have hardly been alive when he was here. What
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: was fred Bear really like? Like you're sitting around a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: camp fire with him rather than going hunting with him?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Like what what did he embody? What kind of wisdom
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: did he have? What was he like? That was so
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: impressive because you know, everybody, it's kind of like we've
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: decided he's a legend, and so all of us admire
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: him as a legend. We know he was a pioneer
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: with making bows, but it's like there's other untold story
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: that I don't really know that well of like why
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: was he such a great guy? Well, I can go
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: all the way back to the first encounters as a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: little boy, Um, just positive, funny, friendly, a gentleman, uh engaging,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: he talked with my dad, and of course I was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: just a little kids. I was only getting the peripherer.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: And I guess he was an accomplished, a very accomplished
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: bow hunter. Well, his his his accomplishments in marketing and
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: the technology of laminations and the upgrading of the capability
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: of the modern bows that he pioneered, particularly the laminations
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in those beautiful recurves. So around the campfire between him
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and Bob Munger, his partner, and then Dick mak who
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: was his financer back in sixty sixty two who just
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: passed away at ninety n Dick mack on us last
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: year and we kept in touch. I'm this young uppity
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: rock and roll maniac hanging out with these this these
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: old guard pioneers of bow hunt. And I referenced Roy
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: weatherby expanding ballistic capabilities, which is awesome. But some guys
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Ben Pearson, Roy Case Wisconsin, Um, certainly Doug Walker in
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: California Western bow Hunter, and Fred bare was the daddy
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: of them all, Um, and there's others. But they knew
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: as we know, and we love shooting him at long range.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Takes a real discipline to make that long range shot,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: no matter how plighted in your gun, is that moment
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: of truth, that trigger drop. It's special moment long range
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: short range. Now you you magnify that by what a million.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: When you've got to be so close those deer can
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: see your nose hair is moving, and you have to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: execute a shot under the most challenging of conditions. God
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: made these animals not to let us do that, so
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: we have to really call upon the spirit within to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: earn full draw. That's what Fred and Roy Case I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: can't mention his name enough, and those Ben Pearson, Howard Hill,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: those guys, that's what they saw was missing in the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: advancement of long range shooting. That long range shooting as
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: good as it is, which is perfect, I think it's perfect,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: but it's the longer the range, the more the disconnect.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: And that's good. You got you gotta kill the animals,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta harvest the surplus. Venison at a thousand yards
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: is just as good as well, is just as good
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: as venison at ten yards, but probably not because psychologically,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's more delicious because you had to do
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: you had to make such You're intimate. You're so intimate.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: It's so that's why I call everything I do the
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Spirit of the wild. My song is Spirit of the Wild,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: my show is Spirit of the Wild, my my podcast
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: is Spirit Campfire. I learned early on that my disdain
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: for the drooling, stumbling dopers and drunks um was at
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: its most apparent and inescapable hunting with a bone arrow.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned about slithering in out of covey
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: of quail. My whole, clean and sober battle cry is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: that are you making a conscientious step or you're bumbling?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Make a conscientious step slow. Like Fred and so many
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: people I've heard you said, you hunt more of your
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: eyes than your feet. Your rewards are more meaningful. In fact,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you're not going to be rewarded if you're stumbling. But
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: if you take a conscientious step, stalking, stealth, situational awareness, um,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the rewards are ultimate backstraps or at least getting close.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I'd literally were be able to slither up on a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: covey of quail within inches of this circle. I've witnessed
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the circle of quail before they explode. Um. That stays
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: with you forever. So what Fred spread on that those
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: years that he entrepreneurial marketing, promotional brilliance was his be
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: a two season hunter. Remember that campaign there one guy
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: in the orange and the other guy with the cameo
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: bow and a gun. Beautiful boy. There's a harmonial, harmonious
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: message that the industry, could you is more of? And
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: on seven we walked down the trails, and he thanked
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: me and said keep doing what you're doing. Um, ignore
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: the critics because they criticize me because I put a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: match stick on my bow when I won the state
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: UH three D championship. It was one of the first
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: yes because he had target panic. Um, he says, that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't have nothing to do with anything. The critics criticized.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Nonsense in consequential, counterproductive nonsense, he says. When you say
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: whack him and stack him, all that really means is
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you're having fun. If you can get a bag limit
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: of blue gills, that would be whacking and stacking. Find
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: fault with that right Well, to every right there, Steve, Yes,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I understand your point so so, but the thing is
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: it it comes to you use the word crescendo. I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: have a lot of crescendos. My whole life is a crescendo.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: In fact, I don't hire your music unless I can
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: see the foreheads, and there the veins on their foreheads
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: pop every song I want. I want James Brown, I
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: don't want Simon and garfuncle. Um. Being that as it may,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: so seven October, intimate communication around the campfire, So to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: your inquiry, just just a ship kicker just and he
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: would talk about the polar bear hunt, he would talk
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: about his elephant hunt. He would talk about promoting the Uh,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: the poison pods on the arrows are aware of that? Man,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: you know what as of a few days ago, Oh,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: just learned about it. Well I knew about it. But
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: we had a we had a story. We work on
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: this series. Um these close call things where people tell
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: close calls in the wild, and a guy had a
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: great had a We heard about a guy that actually
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: jabbed himself with that sound billy down in Mississippi, maybe
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: because it's still legal down there. So we so explain that. Yeah,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: but can you people aren't aware of this? Yeah, well,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Fred like by people, I mean, I wasn't aware that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that was that you can still use it as a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: fred into that as a promoter of conservation, which I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: salute you. By the way, we got all the important
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: stuff done before the microphones are turned on. We salute you.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: We congratulate you, Steve Rinella, for promoting the sport that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: is the tip of our quality of life. Spear. You
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: do a great job. It doesn't surprise me you come
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: from Michigan because of the history and the passion that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: comes from those deer camps in Michigan. And I salute
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you and applaud you and appreciate your dedication because ultimately
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: you promote conservation and hands on environmental air, soil and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: water upgrade through wildlife habitat, safeguarding and enhancement. That's what
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: you've done. Thank you. That's what I do, and that's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: what Fred Bear thank me for. But when we're so,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about around the campfire to hear it from
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: fred Bear promoting the use of I forget the term
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of that that poison powder, that he would take a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: balloon uh neck and pull it back and put a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: little this poison on the arrow. Because as all know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: one of your best shows when you made a bad
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: shot in that elk and those other guys found it.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: You can't hunt without making a bad shot unless well,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: then again, Mrs Nugent defies that she's never lost an
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: animal because she waits for the shot, and so do we.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: But even when we wait for the shot, humans flinch. Well,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: nothing hurts more well, outside of the loss of a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: loved one or the abusive power by people you vote
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: to adhere to their constitutional oath. But equal to those
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: heartbreaks when you make a bad shot, and sometimes it's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's treacherous trying to get over what two more
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: inches to the left. I'd had him, and now I
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: got a gutty arrow. And you can recover them if
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: you wait most of the time. But when you don't,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: it's you can almost not get over it. You lose
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: an animal. You just feel that's that reasoning predator thing.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: That cougar doesn't care. Weren't as many DearS. Possibly it
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit, but you and I do give
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: a shit. And so I've I've lost a great many
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I've lost because I haven't so much I've lost, you know,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I haven't lost many. I didn't lose any of this
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: last season. I made a couple of bad shots, but
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: I recovered him. Um So to be around a campfire
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: with the bow hunting guy, and he laments the pain
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: in the acid losing an animal, And there's a system
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: by which you will never lose an animal. This poison,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: behind the little balloon neck, behind the broadhead. He was
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: all for it, but the public perception of the bow
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: hunting master indicating in any way that he might need
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: poison or the broadhead isn't deadly? Is an image you'll
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: never get over. I didn't know that. This is all
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: news to me. I didn't know that Fred Bear. I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: didn't know this ever became a thing that Fred Bar
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: was involved in, or that he got criticism for it. Oh.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: He he was the main promoter thereof Um, what was
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: this going? In fact? Watch the Fred What what years
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: was it that there was a discuss three sixty four?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Watched the cape buffalo hunt on the Fred Bear films,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: And watch that arrow go in the narrator, that great narrator,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and at a forty yard shot you can see the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: arrow going. And Fred had put some talcum powder on
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: the arrow so we get better. Witness the flight with
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: poison and so you can make any kind of hit
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: as long as you get it into the bloodstream. That
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: animals going to die. And did Fred Bear kill some
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: cape buffalo without it? Yeah? Did he kill his elephant
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: without it? Yeah? Uh? Did he kill a lot of
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: stuff without it? Yet? But he wanted he wanted to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: eliminate losing game. Do you feel like there's a line
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: for you between using something like poison and certain technologies
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: that might increase kill rate? Well, there it's not really
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: a fine line. I think it's a glaring chasm, which
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they call it chasm. It should
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: be chasim. I don't know any friends named Carly except Chasm.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I go off on tan, which makes me interesting if
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: nothing else, site pins, mechanical release, AIGs, um let off, cams,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: um sent reducing products. It's still your hands, your stealth,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: no matter what kind of upgraded advancement and hunting technology.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: It's still you, your brain, your stealth capabilities. Luck, huge luck.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: But it's shot placement, no matter how good. The Remington
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: mushroom deadly is mushroom in the woods is so I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: gotta hit him right, I mean bull eut hit with
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: a three forty weather be through the guts is still
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: going to run off though. That's a pretty powerful route.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I love that round because it seems like you're very
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: much in tech kind of the raw. Organic technology is
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: not taken that away. In technology is not taken away.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't I don't attribute traditional archery to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: somebody with an old fashioned bow. I am truly traditional.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: What is tradition applying ones maximum effort to a clean kill,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and if you want pure archery. I think Mr left
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: hand's got to grab the bow and Mr Right Hand's
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have to knock that arrow and draw it back.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: It's as pure as is, but it's it enhances the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: deadliness of your endeavor, which is a moral um consideration. Uh.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I still shoot my recurves in my log bows. But
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, Holy god, I couldn't miss
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: squirrel running on a power line. Bang got him. I
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: couldn't miss the purity of youth and the hand I purity.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: You see samurai guys, and you see Um Tim Wells
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: often and some of the other guys, and Fred and
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Howard Howard Hill guy couldn't miss. So the guy that
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: can't miss is he cheating? Should we ban him? Well,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: in Colorado, you can't use a scope on your rifle.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Well you can with your muzzleoader. Well you can help
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: with a muzzleloader, but not very accurately. We need to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: reduce your accuracy. How stupid is that? And in some
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: states there where you couldn't use um lit pins. What
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: if it's dark inside the blind but it's still legal
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: shooting hours really, so you can hunt, but you but
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: you may have to make a bad hit. Because I'm
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this technology. Shut the fuck up. Um, you
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: know you know what they're driving at. Yeah, they're driving efficacy.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: When we're talking upstairs, and you were like you were
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: hand gesturing the No matter what you've over the years,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: pins release whatever, You're like, I still hold this thing
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: in this hand. I pull it back. And then you
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: made a rifle gesture or a or a crossbow gesture.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: So does that in your mind? What does that mean?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I wrote an extensive piece on it. Did I love crossbows?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: It was? I believe The title was I love crossbows,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: but not for me? Yep, And that summarizes it. Um.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: A bunch of my buddies hunt with crossbows for a
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: number of reasons. It's it's easier get him in the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: woods more. I'm all for it. So far I'm with you,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: And then so many I can't draw my bow back
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: because it's seventy pounds. I kill everything with fifty pounds.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Shamaine kills everything with thirty pounds. Will Debes Zebra elk Kudu,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: dirty pound bow, and Hoyt of White Archery killed everything
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  Speaker 1: that walks the earth with a thirty five pound re
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  Speaker 1: curve shooting zoo wiki two blades and m A twos
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  Speaker 1: and bare razor heads, that knife broadhead. I've killed Kate
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo with sixty pounds using a two blade broadhead. You
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  Speaker 1: get in between the ribs and quite honestly, every almost
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: everybody's overboard. If you're lifting your bow up, it's too
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  Speaker 1: much drawway and you don't need it. It's stealth shot
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  Speaker 1: placement and the right broadhead. And I used rage, and
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  Speaker 1: I used the ship there the shank, and I use
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  Speaker 1: the schwacker, and I try them all. I'm always trying
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  Speaker 1: every broadhead, but I when I want to. When it
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: all comes down to it, the two blade is the deadliest.
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  Speaker 1: It cuts through everything. The point being is that if
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you want to use a crossbow, hell, I'll buy you
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: one if it'll get you out in the woods and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: buy a license and enhance the the the economy because
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go food groceries, restaurants, gas, lodgings. You're probably
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: gonna buy a food plot materials, so anything to get
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: anything for recruitment and retention. I'm for this side of
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: grenade launchers here. You know I'm not gonna I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you should necessarily go into a hurder deer with
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  Speaker 1: a rent a car. But do do you agree with
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  Speaker 1: archery only seasons? I believe that the statistics have proven
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  Speaker 1: that the human cry that the crossbow will reduce archery
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  Speaker 1: season opportunities has proven to be false. Um, So I believe,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, a crossbow is not a damn gun. Now,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: are there a hundred yard capable crossbows? Yes, there are,
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  Speaker 1: and all of them will blow up at some point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not my hunch. I know all these guys,
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  Speaker 1: I know dozens of guys with archery shops and all
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  Speaker 1: these maniac high tension hundred yard crossbows. They will all
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  Speaker 1: blow up at some point because it's too much tension
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  Speaker 1: on the components, which again is fine to each his own.
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  Speaker 1: But crossbows shoot arrows, bolts, So it's it's it's not firearms.
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  Speaker 1: There there are some of the old school I love
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  Speaker 1: some of them, some not so much. Um, well, it's
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a it's across gun. Really, I don't smell any gunpowder.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: It's not across gun. It's across bow. And I think
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  Speaker 1: technologically it dates pre longbows. If i'm maybe you would
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: know that, I don't know that. Um, I think it
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  Speaker 1: pre dates longbows. That's I've seen that claim here and there,
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  Speaker 1: but meaningless. That's meaningless. It shoots an arrow, and people
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  Speaker 1: that are trying those hundred yards shots are are learning
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  Speaker 1: they shouldn't because it's just not going to get there
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  Speaker 1: in time, even with a rifle. Every better be good
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  Speaker 1: at long range because that animals got to be calm.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: He can't know you're there, and you've got to be
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: super accurate. But the real conflict comes from stags like
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  Speaker 1: Idaho love him, but they banned lighted knucks. Well, they
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: didn't allow lighted knocks from the get go and expandable broadheads.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I know, so I lighted knock would be like, uh
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  Speaker 1: when when it's released off the string, the knock glows
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  Speaker 1: and flight. It helps you find your arrow, doesn't help
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  Speaker 1: you kill anything and mechanical. But the point is the
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  Speaker 1: mechanical broadhead is the most popular broadhead on the planet Earth.
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  Speaker 1: So you're telling all those hunters you're not welcome to Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: It can't have anything to do with killability. You can't
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with ethics. I don't. It's just
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: an arbitrary, punitive, stupid statement by some Elita's prick and
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  Speaker 1: I told him that when I did a speech out there,
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  Speaker 1: they wanted me to help them in legalized wolf und
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  Speaker 1: And I roamed the stage and I went, I'm so
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  Speaker 1: proud to be here, and I had a whole love
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Idaho wow rugged individuals of outdoorsmen that that mountain man
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: is still alive. And well then I paused, and I said,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: why should I help you open a wolf season? I know,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I know why you because they're they're they're hurting your
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  Speaker 1: big game herds. But why should I help you. I'm
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: not even allowed you. You won't even let me hunt
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  Speaker 1: it here? And there was silence. I go, because I
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  Speaker 1: have a lighted knock, You're not gonna let me hunt.
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  Speaker 1: My wife shoots a thirty pound bow kills everything that moves,
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  Speaker 1: but she's not welcome in your state. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: it would be that her lighted knock is not I
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  Speaker 1: think know the lower poundies too, was against the law.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, nonsense, the found I agree on the lighted
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  Speaker 1: knock thing. I agree on that I think anything that
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  Speaker 1: allows recovery should be allowed. But this conversation is not
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  Speaker 1: about lighted knocks or expandable broadheads. Right, We're talking about
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: where where do you draw the line at regulation and
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  Speaker 1: where where is it appropriate? And and really we want
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  Speaker 1: to know this from you. I think that delighted knocks,
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  Speaker 1: in my experience, can give you a false, uh confirmation
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  Speaker 1: of impact. So when I'm judging that the arrows here
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  Speaker 1: and the knocks upstairs, just like when you're shooting at
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  Speaker 1: a target, right, you see the knock you don't see.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's a personal reason of mine that would
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  Speaker 1: you outlaw them based on that? You know, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about that that much because
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: let's let's say, let's say the lighted knock gives you
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  Speaker 1: a false impression of where the arrow hits. So does
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  Speaker 1: a regular knock, yes, absolutely knocks. Yeah. But the but
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  Speaker 1: the real issue is they're saying this is an archery season,
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  Speaker 1: which they have said, Okay, an archery season is a
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  Speaker 1: more traditional hunt. They're banning electronics. I mean, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: So that's not I don't think it's an issue. They
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: sat down and debated. They said anything that's electronic that's
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: on a bow gives you advantage, or that's the assumption
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: that gives you advantage. But nobody was in the room
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  Speaker 1: to challenge that's where I come yet? Okay, do you go? Okay,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: let me ask you this. I also want to argue
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: about c w D, but uh, we might have to argue.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I gotta ask. Let's talk about this
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  Speaker 1: for second. I think Dr Fauci would like to be
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  Speaker 1: in on that conversation. Go ahead, I mean, do you
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  Speaker 1: have sympathies to the people that are are regulating a
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  Speaker 1: giant population? And it always defaults to um the weakest
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  Speaker 1: link in the chain, right if we don't have a
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  Speaker 1: thirty five pound minimum, is somebody going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: k our bow and a field point they're already doing
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  Speaker 1: in the field point, they're already doing that. Um. No,
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  Speaker 1: I have no sympathy form whatsoever. But do you like Okay,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. There's a couple things going on that
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: that I that I want that you need to speak that.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to get your opinion on one of the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: things you're doing when you control technology, when you control
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the end like technology coming in, is your sort of
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: stop thinking of it as fair like fair chase and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: think of it as um what was what the guy
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: that proposed an alternative to talk about fair chase fair share? Okay,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: certain technologies are meant to just to control efficacy. So
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: if someone were to come in and say, a state
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: were to come in and say, we're not going to
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: allow people to use drones two um for for hunting purposes,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: they might say, because right now we're operating on this
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: thing where we have success rates with ELK, which means
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: shiploads people can hunt. ELK can have the opportunity to hunt. Ok.
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  Speaker 1: If technology were to come in and create a situation
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  Speaker 1: where success rates were so high, you're gonna have less
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: and less opportunity for people to go out because we're like,
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  Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna kill a hundred ELK and
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: you have ten percent success rates, you're allowing people thousand
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: individuals to hunt. If it winds up being that through
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  Speaker 1: the use of drones, thermal vision, let's say there's no limitation,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: so you can hunt at night, you can use thermal
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  Speaker 1: to hunt at night, you can scout with a drone.
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  Speaker 1: Uh no no no, no, no no no, And you
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: wind up that success rates are now you got eleven
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  Speaker 1: guys that are gonna hunt, when it used to be no,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: you got guys or whatever. I lost track of my
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: own metaphor but I think that there's there's looking at
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  Speaker 1: it like you're sort of trying to prescribe at X,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: which is so hard and confusing to do. You're trying
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: to prescribe ethics, or you're looking at being like, how
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: do we maintain a static situation that we've had for
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: a long time without telling people things that they've historically
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: done they can't do anymore, which is in my mind
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  Speaker 1: like where I always draw a line. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: to see people's traditional use practices interrupted. It winds up
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: being that you have to look ahead and think about
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: the impacts of technology. You used to not be able
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: to hunt it, Knight because you couldn't see, well that
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: we've crossed that bridge, because all these assumptions and proposals
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: and hypotheticals go all the way back to trajectory compensating
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: scopes to uh let off compounds and well, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: ruin our archery season. We're gonna start losing opportunities. Since
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: those hypotheticals were proposed, Not only haven't we reduced archery opportunities,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: they've continued to expand. And let's just talk about the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: elk form. Well, if I may, i'd like to be
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  Speaker 1: the tzar of hunting regulations, and I am on my land.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I don't want to. I want to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: be able to do that, but nationally I should because
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: I think we I think if we got a room together,
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  Speaker 1: we would not only have unif universal agreement on my proposals,
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  Speaker 1: but the person who would disagree with it would would
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: present themselves as a slabbery and idiot. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the first proposal would shooting hours. You can only hunt
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: when you see them, except for hogs or maybe other
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: depredation consideration. Shooting our thing because they have, yes, weird daylight.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Weird daylight, when can you see you even with waterfall?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: What should shooting hours be when you can see them?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: So I think we would get everybody in the room
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  Speaker 1: to agree that we're not going to open a night
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: elk season. And if and if someone does propose that,
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  Speaker 1: that means you haven't provide had had enough tags to
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  Speaker 1: responsibly harvest the surplus, which is the condition in Colorado
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: in some areas, which is the condition in New Mexico
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: in some areas. We unfortunately, those who propose further restrictions
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: are either lying or woefully unqualified to manage x herd
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: or ex population. For example, I'm gonna go back to
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: the conversation you were having earlier before we went back
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: to our guests, um the mountain lion telemetry enough already
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: they did was a halfbacker? Was that his name? Back
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: in the ninete fifties. Where do we need to study
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: where mountain lions are anymore? They're under harvested. We need
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: to kill more mountain lions. And the methodology of hounds
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: and and and heard identification mountain lion population identification is
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: it's like a concluded it's all concluded. Colorado read those
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: studies every day. So please doing don't charge my taxes
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  Speaker 1: for that, because I know U. S d A hunters
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: that are slaughtering cougars and bears year round using hounds
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: and bait. Where we, the people who own this resource,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: are not allowed to hunt in the spring or use
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: hounds in bait. I dare anybody that that is a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: legitimate thing. But that's a state issue. California when they
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  Speaker 1: stopped when Colorado, when California band they used to kill
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: about three d four hundred lions a year, Well now
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: they pay the state to kill three four After we've
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: compensated the alpaca ranchers, and after and after we relocated
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: them three times. I know the hunters, I know the
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: USDA hunters. Why is there a U. S d A hunting?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Why does that exist? So they're they're allowed to clean
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: up the inadequacy of But yeah, but nobody wants to
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: see Uncle Tad creeping in the basket off they why
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: why would you have Okay, if it was on VHS,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: I'd watch it again, like you run the you run
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: the risk of throwing out the baby with the bath water.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: So if we have us DA hunters, like we have,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: what's what's the it's a okay, like aphis Wildlife Services.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: They ran the new Tria eradication program at Chesapeake Bay. Okay,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: new Tria are not cougars. I know. But you said,
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  Speaker 1: why would we have U. S d A hunters? That's
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: who did that. They do all kinds of Kyle work
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: for sheet producers. Believe me, I know these guys. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the point it was just that it gets abused
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: now and then. But like again, man, I feel like
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: you run the risk of like sort of trashing on
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the whole system because of certain areas of abuse that
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: often aren't their fault, the coopering, It's never their fault.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: The cougar thing is the fault of is the fault
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: of stupid people of putting the cougar thing, is the
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: fault of having like state referendums where you put to
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: voters like idiotic wildlife management decisions, Michigan doves, Michigan sandhill crane,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Well, I would address it that
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  Speaker 1: that typically the between the media, the bureaucracies, and our
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: own hunting organizations. Let's go right to the horror stories.
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  Speaker 1: Of horror stories, there are eight states in the United
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  Speaker 1: States of America where we the people are not allowed
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: to hunt during the rut on our farms on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Stare anybody. But that's the manifestation of that cultural dishonesty.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: But that's not elitism. That's very old like not being
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: able to buy booze. You know you you should be
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: in you should be in church, like that's coming from
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: a completely different direction. But that's not like urban liberals.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: I think it is. Well exactly in Pennsylvania, it's the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: it's the agricultural community, that's the farmers. What we need.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: We need a day of rest, had at all spring
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: and summer to rest after dark arrest. But I consider
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  Speaker 1: it indecent, I consider irresponsible, and same with minimum drawwaye
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: and lighted knocks and expandable broadheads. It's not like it's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: experimenting with expandable broadheads anymore. I mean, it's a deadly,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: deadly tool that's been proven irrefutably conclusively. How dare you
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: ban all those people from your state? So the point,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: the real point of this, is that the sporting families
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: of this country, just like the voting families of this country,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: are dangerously apathetic. They're not involved, they're not raping. When
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: I did that speech in Idaho, I guarantee if we
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  Speaker 1: took a vote in that room that night, they would
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: I legalized lighted knox and SSU, expandable broadheads and eliminating
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: minimum drawways. This ties into the apathy, okay, Idaho until
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: they really started screwing it up here in the last
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: couple of years. Independent Phishing Game Commission. They are mandated
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: two have a public process for every regulation change, and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: our guys don't show up to and our guys do
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: not show up to the process. I have spoken interviewed
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Phishing Game commissioners on major rule changes where they've gotten
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: as low as six hunter survey's returned on things that
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: people are screaming up and down about. But they will
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: not go online. They will not fill out the mailer
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: that they're paying for through their license dollars and send
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: it back in. I give you, Joey. That is a
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  Speaker 1: direct result of of Americans that are so spoiled and
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: so disengaged. Well, the point is, once you cast your vote,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: whether your person gets in or not, your job then
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: begins to hold them accountable absolutely and due to a
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: ship job of it. No dodo dodo, dodo dodo. So
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: regarding regulations, Um, but I gotta hold off on sex,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: like I gotta clarify thing, Like I feel like we're
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: at risk confusing two issues here. What well, sorry expandable broadheads,
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  Speaker 1: And like, let's say let's take the drawway thing. That's
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: not them thinking it works too good. That's not them
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: saying you can't use thermal vision to hunt ELK. That's
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, we don't think it works good enough.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I feel. When you get into that,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, if you don't think it works
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: good enough, and it's not that effective. I don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: It's your business absolutely, like minimal people will probably find
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: out on their own. Like you could man, you could
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: also say it's illegal to be very loud while hunting
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: because it just doesn't work. That's the point. So I like,
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  Speaker 1: I agree that, like that, like the draw length thing,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: you're the draw sorry drawway, and one's dictating rout length.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: But I think there's an overall arrowweight. There's also an
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: overall um firearm weight. So minimum calibers in Africa three
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: seventy five is if I can't kill a lion with
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: a seven mag I did so. Yeah, it's it's arbitrary,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: punitive and capricious, dictated by people who don't know. Some
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: of these people dictating these policies wouldn't know a cock
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: pheasant from a terror dactyle. Just again, the worst example
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: is Michigan ribis in the sky. How immoral of a regulation?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Virtually immoral to kill a ribby in the sky and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: not to be allowed to eat it. Yeah, it's it's
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: in let's tell people what they're what they're getting at
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: the Michigan has recovered popular like like most of the country,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: like most like most of the country Western missip that's
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: who's declared recovered. Like they can a state level management
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: of Saint okranes. So in Michigan they they do not
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: have a sandhill crane season. They give out depredation permits
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: for sandhill cranes. But they're trying to like they're trying
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: to control what your motivations are. Come now, that's what
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: they would do. Unbelievable that tell you. So you can
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: get a depredation permit to kill a sandhill crane, but
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: you doesn't eat it once you do, because if you
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: eat it, it might be well did you kill it
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: to eat it or did you kill it because it
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: was depredation. That is so a similar thing in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: My brain rejects the very premise. It's the It is
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: a it is a migratory game bird. It is delicious.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: It's known as ribby in the sky. Anybody who forbids
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: me to eat that is a bad person, is an
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: immoral person. If you support immorality, your immoral and the
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: morning dove, well it's a songbird. No it's not. It's
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: the number one game hunted species on planet Earth. You
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: can't call it a song bird. I told the guys
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: that d and I said, your liars. We would hunt
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: as kids. We would hunt morning doves in Michigan out
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: of protest. I still do. We had. We would go
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: up and down. Good for you if you're if you
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: live in the area and you're familiar with M one twenty,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: we would work the power lines along M one twenty
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: through twin light a, Michigan, and we would go in
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: the woods, find a morning dove, perchas on the power line,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: cleap up to the edge of shoot and we would
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: do it. And it was like completely encouraged and ordained
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: by our father because he felt that it was an
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: act of civil disobedience. Beautiful because you could not hunt
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: mourning doves, beautiful the most harvested bird in America, harvested
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the most harvested game ail America. You were not allowed
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: to in Michigan because of I think it was like
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: some public referendum. Yes, because the public does. It was
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: a sign of love. It's just unbelievable, and that's why
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I invited and still today you can hunt does in Michigan.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: I invited the Attorney General to my Michigan cabin and
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: I had boxes of shotgun shows on the table with
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: pictures of doves, a dove and quail load. And I'm
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: cooking up this nice slab of meat on the grill
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: and it was a sandhill crane. And I go arrest me,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: arrest me, and make the case to the jury that
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: I'm doing something bad and that this is a songbird
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: on the shotgun show box. I dare you so, I'm
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a hell raiser because I go with truth, logic,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: common sense, and science, which makes me radical instead of lies.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Said you. It's like the deer stuck in defense which
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I've come upon, or deer hit by cars. I've come
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: upon them all my life, and people are squawking and crying.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: What do we do? What do we do? He gets
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the bag and shoot the deer in the head and
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: take the wraps off. Everybody else want the backstraps because
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: if you don't, I'm taking them. That is so moral,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: that is so righteous, it is so purely the correct
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: thing to do, and it's against the law. I'm rosa parks.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: That's a black ass, and that's a bus seat. I'm
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: sitting down, eat me c W d c W talking
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: about scams. Should I share I share your loathing. I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: share your loathing of the animal rights world and animal
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: rights community. No, no, I don't think we're on the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: same page on bureaucrats, okay, because there's a lot of stuff,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of like, well, you're young, you'll you'll learn that.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: It's not like you can say if I hear the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: word beercrat, like, oh, we're all supposed to agree that
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: bereaucrats are bad, or we're all supposed to agree that
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: lobbyists are horrible. But uh, there's a lot of places,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are lobbying on behalf
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: of things that I think are good. They're very really
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: bad at it though, because you still can't hunt on
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Sundays in h stage, So what are they lobbying for?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: You still can't hunt cougars and bears? You just took
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. Who else Ventcilvania. They
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: a guy called me, he goes, hey, they gave us
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: two sundays. They're not what do they give you the
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: right to eating bear arms? Well, I got constitutional carry.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: I was born with constitutional carry. I don't need government
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: paperwork for my god given rights. We've been brainwashed that
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: we're waiting for a handout from the bureaucrats. That's why
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: I hate bureaucrats. Are there some good ones? I think four? Um?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: But no, okay, but let's go to c w D.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I I want to I want to hit the beuacrat
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: appointment like I think that they're they're probably some um uh.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: I feel that stranglehold is one of the best songs
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: ever ever done. I can hardly stand it. But when
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I hear when I hear that someone has a radio
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: collar on a mountain line, I perk up because I
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: think that information is valuable. When you hear that someone's
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: got a radio connor mountain line, you might ask, like,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: who's paying? It's gonna come around to bite me in
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: the ass somehow, Yeah, I do, because there's it's just like, uh,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: the grants are our tax dollars are raped in pillage
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: by so called grants. And we already know everything we
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: need to know about mountain lions. Now, if there was
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: any indication, any real indicator that there's a mountain lion
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: population anywhere that needed to be monitoring, I'd be the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: first to make a donation for radio telemetry and finding
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: out what what benefit that for whatever reason, decreasing mountain
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: lion population except guess what, there are no decreasing mountain
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: lion population and there haven't been. But what about I
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: don't want to let's get a CD I was gonna say,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I don't want to. I want to have last word.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, telemetry data might tell us that
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: we have expanding an increasing mountain lion popular there already
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: has so cut it out, already saved the tax dollars.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Give me my money back. You want an everything about
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: mountain lions, call me, no charge mountain more sand amount
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: bar George. Expect a call from a guy named Bart George,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: who at this moment has collars online out but he
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: should pay for his own collay. The lions are bringing
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the wild to people who refuse to believe it's there, right,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Those are the mountain lions that are eating the outpack
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: as coming into people's backyards, and and God love them
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: for it. Like that's the real uncontrolled wild sandwiched on
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: the Alex Curtsy. Don't need radio telemetry to determine that
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: these people watch the mountain lions cross their backyards. In Pennsylvania,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: you need security cameras above your garage, and in Michigan
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: they'll tell you there are no mountain lions foot in
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: real It's a model line and it fail camera lion,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Son of a bitch c w Because I want to
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: get to I want to talk about wolves. Love wolves,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: love mountain lions, love them all, c w D. I
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: feel as though I feel as though we disagree on
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: on this um. So I admit it exists. Okay, give
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: me your speel and like help let me. I'm gonna
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: start by the question. Let's say I went and got
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of seats. This is something I used to
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: want to do, but I feel like I get in
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: trouble for traveling around with it. I went and got
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: ten c w D positive deer, okay, And I made
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: a burger. I ground it all up, made a burger,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: and I traveled here with it. And I made this
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: burger and fried it up in your kitchen and offered
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: you the burger. Would you eat it or not eat it?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: I would eat it, you would eat it. Now I'll
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: talk because my rule is I'll only talk about c
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: w D with people who would eat the burger. Well,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I only argue with c WBS people who would eat
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: the Burger, and I love your presumptuous uh scenario, because
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: good luck finding ten deer with c w D. They're
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: they're claiming they're looking for c w D, wasting our
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: tax dollars, wiping out entire herds in private ownership or
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: in in the wild, and they come across. Well, if
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: you are spending gazillions of dollars looking for something, here's
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: a little tip from the old guitar player, you're gonna
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: find it. Has any hunting seats since nineteen sixty seven
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: over there in Colorado, and they variation of crushed felt jacobs.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I understand what it is. And there's the scrapies that
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: really wiped out this sheep world in North America that
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: was bigger than the cattle world, um except for scrapies
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: coming in. I understand the origins. I understand the epidemiology.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: There has been no dear season that has been reduced
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: because of chronic wasting disease, but there have been dear
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: seasons reduced, which again I'm using the term dear season
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: to reference the vitality of a herd got it um
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: because as you as you regulate based on sustained yield
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: and opportunities to mitigate agriculture destruction, highway destruction, dangerous conditions,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: other overpopulation maladies. Um, you've got other diseases like episodic
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: hemorrhagic disease that have wiped out that great numbers. And
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: was what what state was it? Last year? North Dakota
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: had go because because refund But that was the h
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: D and w D has never happened with the w D.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: I know it exists, but there's no evidence exists. And
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: even though they go not trying to find it that
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the chronic wasting disease in servage is transmissible to humans
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: or cattle or dogs or sheep. So there there's a
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: then that goes my back my hatred for bureaucracies. The
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: bureaucracies have ran with the what if, the but the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: what if it's super scary? Didn't but didn't, but but
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: then what if we're super scary? Just think of Ted
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: opened up with his machine gun downtown. It ain't happen.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: But unless I can run into a bunch of recidimistic assholes, imagine,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I want to do you think it's a thread, He's
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: like got his knife out a finger nail. Okay, I
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: have a nuanced perspective about this, and it's so nuanced.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: It's got me in trouble with with a very dear
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, who's the friend who's well, this got
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: me in trouble, Doug, because I have a friend who
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: is listen like c w D ground zero where he's
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: in southwestern Wisconsin. Okay, yeah, so it's a pretty calm
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: for him. Two neighbors his place to have to be like,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: there's a dear dying of c w D. They have
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: a shipload of deer on the ground. He's not gonna
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: argue they got a lot of deer on the ground
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: he has. I mean that they have a lot of
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: living in extremely high density appeared and they're currently killing
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of deer and they're killing big because I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: know it came to a peak about eight years ago. Well,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: they still just give me one second. So your buddy
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: is like hysterical about c w H. In other words,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: he just misses it like much like I do. No,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: let me just give me a second, okay, because I'm
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: trying to lay out like various ways of approaching cw D,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: and I want to get to where I approach it.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I want to get to how I approach it, and
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get to how you approach it. So
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: his concern, he's concerned that about two things. He's concerned
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: about the idea of human transmission. And if you're and
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: if like that idea doesn't bother you, it's probably because
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: you don't like to eat dear meat. Okay, if it
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't like worry you, except that it doesn't bother me.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: And that's all I do is eat dear meat. Ok
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: So we'll hold you there. His concern is that he
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: feels that you would hit a point where there's a
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: population level impact. Now when I have gone and I've
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: said and it has gotten got mean text messages from it.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: This even prompted us to find there's an app you
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: can get that makes your text messages not sound agitated.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: I will never implement, And it was a joke that
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: that Doug needs to get this app. He was upset
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: with me one time for saying, um that if if
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for the human transmission possibility, I wouldn't be
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: sitting around fretting about it. And he's like, well, what
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: about population level impacts? So you got to take it like,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: here's a person that's very schooled and lives it on
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: his family farm, like lives CWD on his family farm,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: and is very concerned about He hates the what if
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: scenario about human transmission, and he's concerned about disease and
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: dear because he likes see healthy hurts, so he has
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: concerned about long term impacts and what the like this
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: outrageous prevalence is gonna mean that they confirmed numerous cases
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: on his ground, many many on his ground, and they're
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: they're only increasing and increasing. Like he can go tell
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: you every year, how many he's sent in, how many posities,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: how many sent it? How many positives? Like when when
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: the numbers, the numbers that he's sending in, does he
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: have tags to kill more? Dear? So he's sending in
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: more than the average hunter that kills one or two
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: a year. He you know, I I I can't answer
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: that specifically. Cow might be able too. But he has
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: very detailed records of what he's submitted and what his
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: results are been. And for a long time he was
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: watching it all around him, and then recently it's started
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: to be that he's getting multiple This year, he's getting
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: deer on his place to come back positive. He doesn't
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: like that ship. The big change ted is not so
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: much Doug himself, but the program that he's running on
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: the farm. Used to be pretty restrictive group wise, harvest wise,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: very much, and now greater harvest and and more hunters involved.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: To Doug used to like, I hate to be talking.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: I wish you Doug was here. I love you, Doug.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Well he would play the guitar with you and a
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: heart I should have so. So Doug's worry about the dogs.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: It's his family farm has been in his family since
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: I don't you know, hundred years. Um, He's like, hates
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: to see this ship, okay, like he hates to see
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: the disease. He's worried about what's gonna mean for the
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: future deer season. He remembers being a kid and you
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: would run home and tell your mom dad if saw
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: a deer track. Shame with me in Michigan. And he
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: loves deer. He I mean, the guy has the most
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: legitimate claim in the world to love and dear love
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: and deer hunting, loving the land. He's worried, sick about CWT.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Huge part of our quality of life, no doubt about it.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: So he he like I disappointed him by expressing that
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the population level impact, primarily because
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: it seems that these places that have c w D
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: are magically also the places that have shiploads of deer.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm not in the future enough to see where
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: it plays out that we get to the point of
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: having that we lose dear herds because of prevalence. But
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: it's not to me in my view, it's not unreasonable
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: to think that if you want up with with always
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: fatal disease, that every time a deer gets it, it
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: dies from it um and you had somehow magically we
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: got to some point where we had one percent transmission
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: or one infection rates, that I would be like, is
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: that what does that mean for the dear population? Let
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: me let me inject here for a moment that you
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: claim and I hear the claim all the time, and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I dismiss it that it's it's fatal. The vast majority
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: is it is it of them that have been discovered
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: to have c w D. C w D didn't kill him,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: somebody else killed him. And God knows how many we've
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: killed and eaten that do have that, and many I
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: kill hundreds every year, and I don't check them for
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: seat up. And I have a high fence in Michigan,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: so we have to turn in heads and we haven't
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: had any at all, uh positive c w D. But
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: here's I gotta comment on that. There's too many instances,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: particularly in Wisconsin, where the DNR comes in and confiscates
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: a deer head and it's tested positive. Well, let me
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: see the results. No, just tested positive. Let me see
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: the results. Dr Fauci. Why why won't you share the
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: evidence with the p Why won't you share the evidence
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: with the deer farmer? They just arbitrarily decrease something trust
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: with verification there there. The history of the c w
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: D conflict is rife with examples of where the bureaucrats
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: may claim. For example, here in Texas, Texas products of
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: wildlife have killed eighties six thousand deer for looking for
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: c w D. So who's the biggest threat to Texas
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: deer herd c w D or the state? The state
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: is the biggest threat. Yeah, those are the conflicts that exist.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: And to your point, and I suspect I represent a
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: spirit in this room, and I often say it when
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: I recover a deer on spirit of the wild television.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: What would our lives be without this critter? What a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: huge part of our lives. It's not our kids, and
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: that's not our spouse, and it's not our job, but
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: close what it represents to us as a as a
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: as a as a as a living thing, as as
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: a source of our whether literal or historical food, clothing, shelter, medicine, tools, weapons,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: but mostly something that happens when you approach that dead animal.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: And it's almost like uh a Disney movie, like uh,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Spirit World. It's so moving. Did you killed this thing?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: But you didn't really kill it. You accepted it because
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: you dedicated yourself to to kill it cleanly. It's more
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: of a gift than an accomplishment, I think, am I
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: speaking for you guys. It's it's moving. That's why often
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: also expressed, and I suspect you guys do as well.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Pity the human population that has never felt this. I
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: I and I'm going to expand and thank you for
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: allowing me. But we taught God, family, country, God given
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: individual freedoms, safe street, the neighborhoods, law and order. But
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: we in the year two, for all the advancements and
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: all the concrete and all the electricity. We're living the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: original primal scream when we go out there, even before
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: we kill it. But then when we finally kill it,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: it's it can be if you approach it with the
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: right attitude. And that's where Fred Baer comes in. Pursuing
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: game with the right attitude, um will cleanse the soul.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: There really is no world. I made a joke earlier.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: It's not a joke. But when we're out there and
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: we come to full draw, there is no Joe Biden.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden represents the real evil force, he said, just
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: a bad bad man, a power abusing criminal, both violating,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: bad bad man. I'd ask you more about that, but
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: that's but but yeah, but believe that a criticism him
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: in his intersection with C W D would be welcome.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: It is because because he represents the most abusive of bureaucracies.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that when you look at all the
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: money wasted studying it and looking forward and killing all
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: these herds, and and that that more wasteful money. That's
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: another bureaucratic condemnation. But what but where has heard a
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: dear heard? I can't point to a spot, and but
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think I don't know anybody that is pointing
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: to a spot it could have changed right now. Like
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: there could be areas maybe cal could speak in on this.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: There may be areas where there has been a population
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: level impact. My understanding is generally it is a what
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: if scenario. I hate those what I don't like This
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: reason the reason I want to spend money on studying
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: c w D as I am acutely and very personally
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: concerned about what it would mean for my lifestyle if
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: it turned out that there were people contracting a prion
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: disease from eating infected dear me. Like of all the
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: ship the government does, of all the ship they spend
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: money on UM, and I'm not gonna stop that. I
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: would like a little bit of that money to go
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: towards answering a question that I'm very interested in. But
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: we've and I'm very interested in that question. That scares
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: the ship out of me. It doesn't scare me at
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: all because of all the money they've already spent and
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: they haven't found the relationship. UM. They even have people
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: who went to a fire department fundraiser and they had
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: a hundred of them in eighties. Some submitted they've been
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: testing those people for ten years. I know those studies,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: and again they ate or some ship like that ching
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: ching ching, just torch our tax dollars, which is all
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: the government really does. Yeah, but but here's my a guy, like,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: it's not out of the question though, because stuff like
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: that has happened before. Here's my question though. There's the
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: question Wisconsin, c w D. Right, you turn in your
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: your head or your or your lymph nodes and they say, yep,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: you have a positive test result. And you say, well,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: show me the test results. What what do you mean
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: and and what would you do with those? Do you
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: just want to see like I would like to get
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: a confirmation that they're not lying to me, because they're
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: so good at lying to me. I mean, what you
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: call when you call a morning dove a song bird,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: that's a lie. When you say you can't eat a
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: rib by in the sky, that's just immoral. So they're
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: capable of runaway lies. How about what a perfect setting
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: in March of two that we're discussing c w D
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: in the whirlwind scam of masks and and a vaccine
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: that isn't a vaccine, but vaccine stage you from stuff.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: This experimental shot jeopardizes you. But you can be mad
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: about but it's you could be mad about COVID shutdowns,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm mad. I was mad at everybody about COVID
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: shutdown that matter than me. Steve was a pouting pouting
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: for two years. I didn't pot dismissed it. But the
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: question how does that become? How does that become? Like
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: you could be mad about COVID, But how does that
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: become you don't want information about We've got the information.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: We already got it. We's been around since nineteen sixties seven.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: I graduated high school in nineteen sixty seven. All they
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: do is keep burning tax dollars and coming up with
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: the same stuff. I really believe that the c w
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: D scam doesn't exist. Yes, does the weaponize Wuhan virus exists? Yes,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: we paid for it. How dare we pay for the
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: communist Chinese the weaponization of a virus? If that doesn't
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: scare the living ship out of you that our bureaucrats
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: and our government is capable of that that treason, then
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: how can you possibly trust those in charge of CWD
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars? How about this Colorado five million dollar
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: grant for someone to come up with a system by
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: which we can mitigate human and bearer conflicts. Are you
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? I'm gonna get tyro Wango Tango, and
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: I can fix it opened the season and use hounds
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: in bait and don't bury them in holes in the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: ground anymore by hiring the U. S D a hunter,
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: which by Buddy would be piste off if he ended it,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: because he's living the dream at our expense, because it's
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: immoral what they're doing. I believe that the glaring inescapable
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: evidence for us to distrust bureaucrats has never been more profound,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: and it is right now, And I'm afraid after studying
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: it as extensively as I have, and I suspect you
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: as well. I respect your studies and I respect your concerns,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: but the jury is not still out. The jury is in,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get krutz Felt jacobs from chronic
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: wasting disease positive animals and will never know because we're
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: killing them and eating them. And how many examples are there?
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: Can you count them on one hand where they've actually
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: witnessed a deer with the c w D symptoms and
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: went and killed that one to test it has there
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: been ten of them, twenty of them, hundred of them.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: I would say probably thousands a thousand examples. So my
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: point is is that the bureaucrats mankind given a hint
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: of power, they will abuse it. And I believe c
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: W DAY as a manifest c w D as a
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: manifestation of that right in line with this whole weaponized
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: WOU hand virus. It's not a vaccine. And hydroxa chloric
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: quin and iver mecton is a treatment that has been
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: incredibly successful. And I ton I person hydrox chloric quin
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: and iver mecton, put him on a ventilator. You're guilty
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: of murder. Well, my buddy Dirt thinks if you take
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: a brass rod and rub it around in your nostril,
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: it beats code. I'm not mad at I'm not mad
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: about him. Now kl's up on c w D. You
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: do have the ability to see the results, like you right,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: you pull the tiresol glands out, you can you can
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: go do independent testing that they have it. But now
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: what Yeah, but the it, like you said it like
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: it does exist. And the fact of the matter is
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: is like it came from somewhere. This is knowledge. Do
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: you believe you're in our experience of pretty experienced. But
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: this is how things hampfray. You take a biological thing
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: and you put it in another biological thing, You shake
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: it up, you pour that cocktail out, and eventually that
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: cocktail changes the The discovery in sixty seven in Colorado, UM,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I don't believe was the initiation of the condition. I
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: don't think that's when it started. I think they found
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: it then, even though we the Colorado Division of Wildlife
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was called at the time. UM, there
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: is an awful lot of evidence that they manipulated the
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: conditions and actually injected deer with uh scrapies. Now, I
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if, in all fairness, man, you see that
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: as being when it was first identified the same way
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: like lime disease was first identified the Lime Connecticut, right
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: like that, No one says it was created, maybe someone does,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: in all fairness, it was identified there, right, And so
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: since then since ninety seven, again that's a long ast
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: time I've done. All that was a research facility, yep. Yeah,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: government bureaucrats, what are they doing? What are you? Why
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: are you doing that? UM? That goes to the telemetry
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: stuff and again, I'm all for that original telemetry because,
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: um are whether it's passenger pigeons, so I don't think
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: we we killed them. That was a colonization bird. That
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: there's virus spread. Don't you wish you were around for
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: passenger pigeons? Funny, Um, I believe me. I make up
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: for it with starlings and yeah. But anyhow, UM, I'm
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: at the point in my life after being engaged and
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: being in the swirling dust of the arena, UM that
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: I am sitting here today with all the confidence in
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: the world. I'm sure you recognize government virtually untrustworthy. Virtually
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: I can give you examples in every stage where what
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: they do is virtually proven to be immoral, dishonest, and
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: counter to science. In our conservation lifestyle, population dynamics, habitat
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: carrying capacity, sustained yield, productivity, that's not mysterious. The jury
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: is not still out on that. And again when we
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: initiated manage land dear permits in Texas prior to the
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: initiation of that policy, where landowners determine our own bag limit,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: because somebody downtown certainly doesn't know what my dear heard
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: looks like. They don't know what kind of environment patrol,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: what kind of supplemental food plots I put in leap
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: leave me alone? And in so many Exotics and Texas
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: the flourishing condition of access deer which are hands off
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: by any government agency. Landowners are the best stewards of
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: such condition. And I believe that that would exist in
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: every state if we could get past the blind edience
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: from the brainwashing since World War Two, where people go, well,
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: I don't have a gun permit. You don't need a
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: gun permit. Do you have a Do you have a
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: First Amendment permit? Is there a building where you don't
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: have a first Is there a place? And is there
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: a piece of ground in America? You don't have a
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: First Amendment? No, you have a First Amendment. You were
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: born with it. I don't need paperwork. Same for Second Amendment.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: But when I say that publicly, go well, you don't
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: think everybody should have a gun? I go, know, everybody
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: will never have a gun. But I don't believe that
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: rapists and murders and carjackers and stabbers and shooters and
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: child molesters should ever be let out of the cage.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: And if you stop let them out of the cage,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: by the very function of our failed court system. We
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: would reduce violent crime by not my number, the FBI
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: uniform crime report number. All this exploding violent crime, it's engineered.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: It's a direct result of their intentions. Well, it's gun crime, No,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's a guy who shot people. You add
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: in a cage, you let him out. What do you
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna do? It doesn't matter. Availabilit Where do
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: at the gun? I don't know where can't you get
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: a gun? The regulated harvest, though, is the thing that
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: intrigues me. I got a little sister who's a cop,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: who's married to cop in in Denver. And I can
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: talk the other stuff a bunch too. But what I'm
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: saying hits home for you. Oh absolutely, and I'll yeah anyway, Um,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: regulated harvest here on the spirit of the wild ranch
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: is or let's call it Texas because my system is
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: widespread private property. Yeah, but you don't. You have a
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: fence around this place, and animals can't get out of
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: right or come into right by law. Right. So that's
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: because we have exotics, right. So you have a different
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: system here. Note there are mld with no fences. Large
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: landowners didn't know their habitat no fence. And again, believe
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: me when I tell you, And it's hard to comprehend
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: for Montana and wild Alaska hunters, believe me. I hunted
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: no fence in Alaska, and I hunted no fence and
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: all across Canada, in Montana, Wyoma, in Colorado. You know what,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: defence plays zero role. It's ex habitat that will support
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: X productivity. The same exists in the Mannistee National Forest.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: Now can they go further to get away? But how
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: far can you shoot your bowl? The fence plays no
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: role whatsoever in the harvest. What does? What role doesn't play?
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: It keeps exotics from running into bureau um. What it
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: does is it allows me to not shoot that three
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: year old and that the neighbor won't shoot that three
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: or That was the foundation of high fence hunting? Is that?
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: And and I'm all I My first deer killed November
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: was a huge button buck. I took it to the taxidermist.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: I go, yeah, my first killing goes you're in the
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: mouth this, I go, yeah, it's a buck. Feel it's
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: on the it's on the wall, that's how that's how you. Yes,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: it's on my cabin, my cabin wallchan in Michigan. And
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: you know what's next to it a yearlyan dough that
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: was my first bowl kill. If that's not the purest
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: trophy celebration available to us, I don't know what would be.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: I'll get back to harvest. You gotta dig in on this, Yeah,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: so I mean it has I'll agree with you that
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with with the harvest.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: But you also, like set up your aquarium walls, so
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: to speak, you have an area of operation to which
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: you are god, the captain of your own. But I'm
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: also got on my acre Michigan swamp no fence, same there.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: There is nothing I do on this high fence that
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: I am not mandated to do on the no fence.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing changes but for regulated harvest on your tepen acres,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: Like you decide one day that just shoot every buck
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: that came through prior to the red Can't do that,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: shouldn't do that, could right that those animals aren't gonna
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: then well your travel and and this connects to CWD.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: Oh we're talking about regulated high US now obviously, but
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: it's reference, it's it's it's it's reference to that though,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: because in where c w D is the most dangerous
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: possibility is in under harvested herds. And you could see
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: that almost in every instance I think where they're the uh,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: the population is, if not out of control, certainly overpopulated.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: That being said, in Michigan, I harass the D and
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: R bureaucrats because they love a slaughtered deer on the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: roads and no corn grows, no beans grow, their deer everywhere.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: I got four tagsres Well, that's your responsible and who
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: can dictate that I let the public on my land? Nobody?
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: So I pushed and pushed and I brought him. I
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: almost had a graham by the aigle. Come you got
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: you look at it? Where's the corn? Come over here?
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: You know, like like a school kid for you know,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes? Um, And I said I need a hundred
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: dough tags. Well you can't do that, And I go,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: you can't not do that, And they ran into a
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: dead end brick wall of a we the people guy,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: living science versus their presumptive regulations, Like in order to
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: properly manage your property, you needed to remove that that
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: many doughs, and I do you the only had to
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: do it right, That's what? Okay, but but they resisted.
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: They resisted. I go, well, that's great, I'll do it.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, we're filming this, and they offered me
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: three dough tags. There's no corn. He gobbled everything up there.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: You can see the brows line. I'm harder than them,
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm more knowledgeable than them. So I harassed him.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: I said, I'll be sure to do a ted Nugent
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: Spirit of the Wild TV show and show you your
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: immorality and that you you you disdain the sciences, sustained
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: yield and have that Karen Cabet, there will be a
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: great show. What's your name again? I'll make sure feature
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: you and I um and I got at the time.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: The governor was a was a good guy, and I said,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: this is what's going on. I said, they're anti hunting,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: their anti nature, they're anti healthy environment, they're anti freedom.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: So I finally got my dough tags, and I'm able
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 1: to harvest a lot of doughs now because I do
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: have a hunting family. Were able to take enough bucks.
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  Speaker 1: But does it really matter whether Shamaine shoots too and
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: Toby shoots too and Rockell shoots too, or or we
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: just harvest ten But do you do you disagree with
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: sort of the like the foundational American principle that wildlife
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  Speaker 1: belongs to the American people. Absolutely, I'm one of those.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those people. Yeah. Absolutely, So here's one
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  Speaker 1: for you. So on a high fence by law in
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: Texas and wherever you find him. Uh, you have to
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  Speaker 1: happen because you have the exotics. And even though the
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: floods come and the fences come down, and next thing
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a kudu down down, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is awesome. Um or the zebras around and that was
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yes, it's awesome. Who doesn't want
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: to kill a zebra on opening day of deer season?
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: By the way, they're delicious. And there's a whole another
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: subject to be scrutinized. When I post pictures of zebras
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: and kudu and elephants. People, well, I could see hunting
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  Speaker 1: for food, but not just to kill stuff. I go,
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  Speaker 1: give me the name of somebody that does that. Share
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: with us your last experience with someone who just kills
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: stuff to kill stuff? What's got a name? Person doesn't
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: exist unless they let him out of jail for doing that,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: and they go, why would anybody shoot a zebra, it's
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: it's deer with stripes. It's delicious, it's a it's the
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: there there food on the hoof. But I stage controversy
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: outside connotation with whackam stack hum doesn't lead people to
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  Speaker 1: the plate. Do you really do you think? Do you
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: think the guy in the tie at the Safari Club
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  Speaker 1: International Banquet that says, you know, we need to harvest
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: inadequate supply avaentable talking like that, do you think he's
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: ever inspired any young person to ever buy a hunting license?
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: Because my excitement level with whackingham stacking has cost thousands
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: of young people to put down the crack pipe and arrow.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: And so I just missed that out of hand. You
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: couldn't be more wrong. It's exactly what my excitement level
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: does with fun terms like whack them and stack them.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: He was the back let me just say intense defense
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: from the VHS. He talked about backstraps, backstrap fever. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was the original guy that was talking about food.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I mean, it's not the original
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  Speaker 1: guy that talked about food. But you hear what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: ted uh Um. I remember someone expressing something similar to uh,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: I wish I coud remember it's a famous quote expressing
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: something similar to what Ted expressed is he was like,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: without great love, there can not be disappointment, okay, or
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: some things such as that. Right, So I like Ted
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  Speaker 1: occupying the position you occupied. I remember one time, I
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to name who said this. I remember one
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  Speaker 1: time someone being like grossly disappointed with Nugent because they
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: were watching the Spirit of the Wild and it was
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: a date stamp and Ted was hunting in Texas on
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: October one, and they were infuriated that how could the
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 1: motor city man man? Uh, how could he? That's Michigan's
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: opening day of deer seasons. Why would Ted not be
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: in Michigan? And he was like, I'm tired of he's
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: It's our opening day and he's in Texas? Like you
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: like you can't win, Patty, patty, petty, just saying you've occupied,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: You've occupied that thing. Now to say to to say
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  Speaker 1: something like and I can I see how it's received
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  Speaker 1: to throw out like whack them and stack them. At
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: least people be like what is getting whacked and where
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: is it getting stacked? Do you have you ever in
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: your life? Later late in bed and thought, you know,
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: I stand by what I was saying, but I should
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  Speaker 1: have said it differently. Never if I if I need
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: to explain what whack and stack means, I'm gonna call
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: N one and get you some fucking help. Um. You
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: know what the most, the most, the thing that shook
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: me up the most is when you pointed out catching
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: the limit of blue girls, because yeah, you stay until
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: you get your limit, you stack, yeah, you know, and
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: that and and to go back and smell the it's
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit of historical revision to go back to
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: the nineties and and and criticize a statement because back
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: then when he was when he was in trouble with
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: my friend for missing mission. You know, I'm just saying,
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: i'm i'm i'm I'm defending the Whackham and Stackham statement
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: because today, in a world where you know, maybe the
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: more you know it would be, you wouldn't say that
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: as much in some circles. Okay, he was coming out
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: of a time when we were trying to make hunting
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: relevant and fun and exciting, and it introduced that, so
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: it accomplished I would say, a pretty significant purpose during
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: that time. There's kinds of things I see in the
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: hunting worlds all kinds of things I see like I
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: see it, and I'm like, I agree with it. I've
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: done it too. Um, there's nothing to be ashamed of.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: But now they're just like just just come on, alright,
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 1: let's put about like just think for a minute about
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: the ram the possible ramifications of of like what you're
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: doing right, Like to have that got a bear, I'm
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: gonna put a baseball hat on him. I'm gonna set
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: him up in the car seat, and I'm gona put
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: a cigarette in his mouth. Right, the bear is dead.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: The bear is dead. You killed the bear. Legally, you're
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 1: allowed to transport the bear. I wouldn't question any I like,
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: I support everyone's right to hunt bears. You know where
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: we have a population that that warrant that that can
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: support honey, which I support your ability to transport your
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 1: wildlife as you see fit, top your car, back your
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: car on the hood. I support. I don't think there
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: should be a law saying one shouldn't put a bear
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: in a thing. If someone said there's a law against
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: dressing dead bears up, I would be very incredulous of
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: like how you're gonna enforce that what exactly it means.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: But does that mean that it's smart to put a
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: baseball hat on a bear and a cigarette in his
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 1: mouth to drive around downtown. I believe that it's so
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 1: inconsequ so inconsequential that we're wasting our breath discussion, and
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a totally valid point. But I do
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 1: look now. Then I'm like, among my own brothers and sisters,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: I looked now, and then I'm like, man, it's just creating,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: Like it's just creating problems where there aren't any. You're
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: creating a dialogue that isn't necessary to create about whether
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: or not you should be able to put hats on
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: bears and cigarette in the mouth. You know, if you
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: look at the industry now, you watch all the different shows,
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: whether it's pig Man or Tim Wells or or fred
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: Eichler or some of my favorite shows, and you see
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: the ads by huge hunting corporations whack them and stack them,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: educated them that they better have energy, they better promote
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: this sport with energy and enthusiasm and fun, because if
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: it's not fun, ain't nobody gonna go. And I epitomize
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 1: that if if, if you may that I've never been inhibited.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: I have fun with it. What is the difference between
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: whacking and stacking and harvesting and butchering? Period? And you
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: already gained your double middle face? And how petty can
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: you be? And it's the same embarrassing depth of pettiness
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: that I was. Why wasn't ten noogion in Michigan and
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: October one? Oh shut the fuck up, listen. That was
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: my response at the time. That was my response at
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: the time, And it's become something of a joke. However,
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: I was just pointing out, Hey, I was setting the
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: stage to be that a person in your situation is
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: just inherently gonna have people pecking at you. Let her
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 1: rip peck away it again, I'll try to summarize it
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: like this, and it's it's conclusive and the definition of summary.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: Families with terminally ill sons and daughters five six seven
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: year old little boys and girls. For whatever reason, I
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: think I know the reasons, because of my enthusiasm, because
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: of my energy on spirit of the while for thirty
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: three years I've been doing this. That little boy making
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: Lynn six years old, going to die of cancer in
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: six months his last week question in life was to
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: go hunt with Ted Nugent. So guys that are more polite,
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: guys that won't welcome and stack um people that won't
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: put a cigarette in the bear's mouth, making Lynn doesn't
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: even know the exist a cigarette the bear's mouth. Next bear,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: I kill him going to But my point is these
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: little boys and girls, their families. Is there a more
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: demanding vetting procedure? Whether you deserve to take my little
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: boy on his last hunt, then a family at that emotional,
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: horrible time in their lives to call the whack master.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: If I qualify for that, my critics can kiss my ass.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: And I've done it dozens of times. If I have
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: earned that, I'm untouchable. How about that? How about Chris
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: Chris Campbell, Navy seal who went to save Marcus Latroell
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: and the chopped the chopper crashed his will and testamon
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: was that he wants Ted Newton to play Fred Bare
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 1: at his funeral. Critics bring it and here's the ultimate,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: this will leave you hurt. So Marcus called me and said,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: Chris's family would like you to play Fred Bare when
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: his remains come home. When and where got my guitar?
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: And aunt got a buddy with the jet getting ready
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: to go on to go to Norfolk, and Marcus called
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: back and said, you've been disinvited by President Barack Obama.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: He won't allow you there. So the president, the commander
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: in chief, who I am diametrically opposed to on every issue,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: every breath the man takes. That's his stand to say
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 1: fuck you to a Navy seal who died for our
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: country by declining that dead seals request and disinviting Ted
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: Nugent to play fred Bear at the return of his remains.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: I'm the good guy. My critics are bad guys. That happened,
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. So I did a private one
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 1: for his family at a different time. But how low
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: can you go? If you're the commander in chief of
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: the United States of America and a dead seal has
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: a request and you decline it because you don't like
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: the guy involved with the request, How beautiful am I?
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: I can hardly stand me. I'm so fucking good if
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: that kind of evil is that against me? That's why
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: my confidence cup runneth over. Because that little kid's family
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: thinks I'm okay to fulfill his They're dying son's request,
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: and that Navy seal wants me to play that song.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised my feet touched the ground. It's a blessing,
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: it's a gift. I'm humbled by it. I'm honored beyond words.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: But those indicators in my life make people who are
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: upset with me for not being in Michigan October one.
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: The so stupid, it's hysterical. My priorities have obviously been
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: well aimed. That fred Bear said keep doing what you're doing.
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: That the family of a dying child thinks I qualify
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: to fulfill the dying request, and a Navy seal's family
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: wants me to play that fred Bear song as funeral.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, is there is there other more powerful indicators
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: in life? Can you name any I can't, Or that
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: my my own family relations ship, or that you're here
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: to do an interview with me. I qualified for the
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: Mediator podcast. UM, I have enough UM and it is UM.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: And I know I'm controversial because in a world gone berserk,
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: good is controversial. Well, I gotta tell you, you know,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: there's a long period of my life where I had
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: it was outside all the time, ingested very very little
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: hunting media or media of any sort. And uh, you know,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: Clay and I were talking on the right over here
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 1: to the ramps this morning. I'm like, where we know
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: Ted Nugent from? Essentially right? So, um, and I have
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: one article I was always always aware of of Ted Nugent.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: But you're like rocker fame, stardom guy, And truly I
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: didn't give you, you know, like you see with people
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: on TV. Was like, I don't know if this guy's
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: what he actually is, but I'm sure, I'm sure there's
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: a good paycheck there. And uh, I pick up magazine
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: off the back of my buddy's toilet, started going through
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: it and I'm reading about it was like an opening
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: day type of scene of l counting and it's one
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: of your articles, and man, I'm I'm there, I'm you're
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the Woods coming alive and the Elker bugling.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: It's dark. You're not in him yet, but you know
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And I'm guiding out. I'm a
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: full time Elk guy at at this point, right, And
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm living it. I'm there. And then the
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 1: reveal starts happening and and you're like, you know, like
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: a turn in my stand and I'm like, oh, guy's
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: hunting out of a stand. Huh, okay, sure, still there,
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: still painting the scene. And then you're on I think
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: you even described like a feeder going off or you're
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: described over a feeder, but I would okay, well it's
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 1: a long time ago, so um there's like how the
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: ages have progressed anyway. But you were in a high
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: fence place and I was just like, nope, this guy no,
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, not legitet not, No, this is right
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: and perfect and you know it's it's truly only come
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: to now where I'm like, oh, this guy has You
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: can't ignore the passion that this man has. And they're
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: none of my bullshit meters are going off on when
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: you talk about the animals and the outside and and
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: the wise. But I mean, that's a big span of
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: time from that article where I'm like, oh, this guy
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: isn't doing it the way I do it, so he
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: must not be. But I do do it the way
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: you do it. I hunted Alaska seventy seven, got a moose,
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: got a bear, got a cariboo. I hunted the Sudan
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 1: as the last white guy to get out of the
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: Sudan alive. There's no fences. Are hunted all across the world,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: No fences are hunted all Manistee National Forest. I hunted
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: wild everywhere. I've hunted everywhere, no fences. But sometimes I
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: hunt in the fence some people's lands in the fence.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 1: My land is in defence because I want to hunt
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: Oryx and Alla dad in black buck. And it says real.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: It's even far more difficult than no fence Sudan, or
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: no no fence Zimbabwe, or quite honestly, no fence Illinois,
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 1: especially no fed South Texas. You want dumb retired animals
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: to go down to South Texas and make the sound
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: of a corn feeder going off. And I'm all for that,
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: because I like to kill stuff with my bow and arrow.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 1: I like to get close. I've done it all and
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: I will continue to do it all. I still my
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: Michigan ground. I have a high fence in Michigan, but
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: my acres is all wild, wild ground. And I'll give
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: you a bow and arrow, and if you can kill
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: a deer in my ground, you can have it. Good luck.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: They're the smartest animals in the world. And here on
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: this prop pretty you get your bow and arrow. You
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: can have whatever you kill, and you ain't gonna kill
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: Shit's the smartest, spookiest animals. You better be co Chiefe
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: meets Natty Bumpo, because these these animals are spookier than
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: my Michigan swamp animals. These animals are so tuned in.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 1: So I hunt for the hunt, and all my hunts
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: are the hunt. Now do I desire a dumb deer?
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: I deserve a dumb deer. I need a dumb deer
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: after a few weeks a hunt. And if you want that,
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: go to Illinois next to one of those forest preserves.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: Those are wild deer. There's no fences, but they're dumb Kansas.
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: Some dumb deer. Um, Ohio, some dumb deer compared to
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: my Michigan deer. Um. My first white tail in Wyoming
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: up there near the Devil's Tower. God, that was the
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: easiest deer I've ever killed in my life. A hundred
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: yards away. They don't even care if you're there. I've
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: never seen a deer like that in my life. And
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to go back because I'm sicking, tired
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 1: of white tails and snorts. Um. So I've done it.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: All back when I was hunting Alaska every year every
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: year from seventy seven and the wilds of Africa, still
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 1: hunting with a bow and arrow. I didn't film any
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: of that because there was no outdoor TV and I
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: didn't even have any idea. I just wanted to go hunting,
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 1: so I I do hunt the way you hunt. Yeah,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: I guess. My My point though, is that at that
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: that point of reading the article, I thought you and
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: I were quite a post and it just takes a
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: long because of the high fence to come full circle. Well,
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: because I also had this image of like, guy's got
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: this big lifestyle that's far outside of hunting, right, touring,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: rock and roll, awesome, all the things that you think
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: about stuff you can you connect with him and you
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: see some of the positions he's got. Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 1: taken a hell of a long time. Well. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: I've always I have never doubted um, even in the
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: areas where you've said things and I'm like, man, I
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: wish you wouldn't have said it that way. Uh, Like
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: I agree with the sentiment. I suppose you wouldn't have
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: expressed it that way. It's it's always been where I
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  Speaker 1: have always known and felt that we were in large
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 1: measure talking about the same things. I mean, I've known
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 1: since those days in the late eighties early nineties that
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: you uh did find that like that, that that that
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: sentence that you've said many times, like the spirit of
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: the wild, of that phrase of spirit of wild, that
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: you felt that spirituality and and promoted it and connected
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 1: with it. Finally, I've never doubted that ship. I've never
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  Speaker 1: doubted that. It's just yeah, at times I have because
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 1: of the role you're in. At times I've just been
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 1: let something that's that's happening here that I can maybe
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: I could say, is that you guys, it's interesting sitting
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 1: here with Steve Rinella and Ted Dugent because you your
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: passion for hunting and the way you articulated in the
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: excitement and all the things that you did years ago
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: that formulated stuff. I think you've had a big influence
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: on Steve Rinella absolutely who who I mean, a very
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 1: positive influence on the way like talking about the spirit
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: of the wild when in his own words, Steve talks
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: about the exact same thing, I think, and you learned
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: to play I never learned to play a guitar when
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. You learned to play guitar at
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: first he learned how play was Red Bear. Yeah. It's
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: just like did you just let me? Let me make no,
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: I never never touched. We need to hear him place.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: We need to hear him play Fred Bear. But you,
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: but but so. Steve Ronnella is the guy that came
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: on the scene, you know, ten fifteen years ago, that
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: brought a new academic intellect will kind of draw into
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: hunting that a whole bunch of people have been like, man,
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: we never heard anybody talking about hunting like that. And
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: it was an appeal. It was the same thing you did.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: It really was. What he did was the same thing
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 1: that you did. And it's it's interesting to see y'all
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: sitting together because probably nine of stuff y'all would probably
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 1: agree on. And the messaging and the frequency of the
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 1: messaging is slightly different. And I feel like what Ted's
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: position is is, Hey, we are what we are. There's
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: no reason to lean any direction to try to accommodate anybody.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: And like there's this like stance of just this is
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: who we are. You've come in in in in a
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: way that we all deeply respect, have have catered the
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 1: message of hunting and like probably a broader way. So
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 1: here's my question. Here's my question. It's not perfect, but
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: um so my question is, you know, I think, well,
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 1: my assessment is that I think there's a place where
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: you you stand and say, hey, this is just who
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 1: we are. We whack them and stack them, it's just
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: kind of what we do, and that's what we've been
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: doing for you know, thousands of years, and that's just
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: who we are as humans. We're not changing. And then
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 1: but then there's also the side of the equation where
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 1: we you know, cater would be the wrong word, but
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: where we make our message more appealing to a broader audience.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying a marriage? What are
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: the reasons you guys scoop closer in. One of the
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 1: reasons that you're uncomfortable with some of my deliveries and
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 1: you were uncomfortable with some of my deliveries is because
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 1: before there was the term political correctness, political correctness was
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: beginning to happen, and in the hunting Second Amendment community,
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 1: our so called leaders were afraid of their own shadow.
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: In Outdoor Life magazine, they would actually say, don't wear
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 1: a camouflage in public and don't bring up the hunting
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 1: and makeing people uncomfortable. It's just the total opposite approach
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: you should take. But but I like I spent my hope.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: My whole career has been talking about hunting. My whole
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: career is identifying as a hunter. I've never done anything
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 1: other than talk about professionally and otherwise. I've never done
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: anything other than hunt since before I was supposed to,
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: before I was legally allowed to do it, to now
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: and talk about hunting. However, at times like I have
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 1: strong opinions about how I like to explain it or
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: not how I have strong opinions about how to explain
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 1: it so that people are most likely to get what
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying and get on board with what my program is.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: And a salute to you if here should do a
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: great job at that. The whole concept of meat eater,
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 1: it galvanizes the entire process of the hunt. That the
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: fruit is sustenance. So I'm not I'm not sitting there
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 1: being like oh no, nor no, don't show that that's
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: dirty and naughty. That's not it. I'm like, listen, there's
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: a lot to be proud of here. Um, I just
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: have opinions about how I like to and you do
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: a fine job. I support you do it long before
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: me and I and I don't even like to be
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 1: in here. I don't even like to be in your
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: acting Like there's sort of like you're what you've done,
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 1: what I've done, and and juxtaposed at all, you've been
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: there long before me. I'm just like, as as a point,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: we've talked to a couple of areas c w D
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: and whacking, I'm stacking as a point where I'm like,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like dead man. I just I wish you thought
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: about this a little differently, but I thought I thought
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: about it a lot, and I'm not going to think
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: about it differently because I think that I think the
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: best remedy against denial um propaganda, against hunting propaganda, against
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: venison propaganda against us a self ancient lifestyle, which is
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: what we embody and what you promote beautifully. I think
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: I promoted more effectively because I'm uninhibited and that that
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: you'll never well, I was gonna I was gonna say,
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: you will never address the outside demographic, but you have.
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: You've lured in and outside demographic a lot because there
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: was an establishment of field to table prior to meet
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: eare and you you maximize that delivery in a or
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: in a perfect way. But there's more to Here's the thing, Krens,
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: give me the wrap it up. Let me let me
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 1: just say one night, that'll be the day. Look at
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 1: it like this for a second, thoughts. Let's say you're
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 1: addressing the American public. I do everything. That's what people
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 1: came to this podcast to hear. Let's say one's addressing
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: the American public, and their interest is that they want
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: to be able to continue, um, they want to be
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: able to continue their lifestyle of honey, and they want
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: to make sure that there is a lot of wild
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: animals around Okay, And they come to the American public
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 1: and they're like, Hey, in the back of my head,
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to preserve my lifestyle, preserves something that I
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: feel is beautiful and right, which is hunting, hunting, fishing, trapping.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: Like these things that are like right, traditionally used practices
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: need to be defended. And I have like promoted, not defended, preserved, defended, promoted,
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 1: preserved whatever. And I have one minute to speak to
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: him about it. I might be more inclined to take
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: my minute and say something like, um, there's there's a
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: system that works very well, and we fine tuned it
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 1: in this country where we have biologists and others that
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: count population levels and determine the long term that are
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 1: that are tasked with guaranteeing the long term viability of
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 1: these species, and they determine that they set regular elations
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: by which we abide. This is not a free for all.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: We're not driving game animals to extinction. Quite the opposite.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: The things that are thriving most in this country are
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: the things that have hunters interest. Your minutes up, by
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: the way, that was your minute. That was awesome. But
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: like I would tend to take an approach like that, well,
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 1: you need to do more. You need to do more homework.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 1: Did you see I'm serious? Don't like it? You need
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: to do more homework. Did you see my v H
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: one Hunting special? You didn't see it? Did you? Did
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: you see my MTV? Don't? I didn't see this stuff?
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: Did you see him? Because I articulated that profoundly. I
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 1: never said that you didn't articulate, well, good, but you said,
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: given a minute, you do it your system. You did
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 1: it good. But guess who's done it better, longer, and
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 1: to thousands of times more people than you have in
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 1: all across Europe, all across When was the last time
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: you're on Tucker Carlson explaining sustained yield wildlife abitat Well,
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: my point is I'm not I'm I got, I got.
• 2:42:00
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you well, I'm gonna get you on
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 1: because you a great job. But my point is is
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 1: that the point you just made is the exact point
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 1: I have. I'm not saying you don't have the point
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 1: he's just saying, but the real I just think we
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: don't say it different. We say it exactly the same.
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: But when you go like, well, here's what we do
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: is we whack them then stack them, I don't know
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: what that's so oversimplification that example. It may not being
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: in Michigan October first, grossfully, and he's not. He's not
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 1: criticizing you for that. If it's the thing that people
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: here and misinterpret, all I can tell you is that
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 1: my my vapor trail of recruitment and retention ed unparalleled, beau.
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: And you know why, because I'm uppity, I'm believable, I
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: know my science. I mailed to articulate my science and
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 1: then and bellowship because I'm just typically an uppidea guy.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 1: I'm very much alive, but that uppidness and aliveness is
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 1: the contagious factor. That's what draws them in. And here's
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 1: an example. And again I'm not bragging. I know what
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: I do. And again the dear will home humble me
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 1: immensely later on, as as will Mrs Nugent. But when
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: I go to a shot show, okay, you can promote,
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: with all due respect, I haven't been there lately with you,
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: and I mean this with respect. You can promote Steve
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 1: or No at two o'clock at the X booth, Michael
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: Waddell two pm. You can promote all the biggest names
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: in our industry callahan, I will. I will stop to
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: tie my shoe and have more people around me than
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: all of you guys put together. Not at a rock
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: and roll event, at a hunting event. Touch, that's no
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 1: contest for me. And no it's not anecdotal. It's universal,
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 1: zero contest for me. St And and when I met
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: I've got the highest votes ever for twenty eight years
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 1: on the Border Directors of the n r A except
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: for Troute Aston. Why because I'm absolute and I embellish.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 1: I don't intentionally embellish, it's just the way I talk.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's more exciting. It's more Wang Dang sweet Puntang
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 1: than Billy joel um. So. So my point is by
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 1: by point is is that yes, I concur a slightly
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: different approach. My my upedness passion is so contagious and
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: so and they know that I'm not trying to hide anything,
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 1: and neither of you. Again, I can't. I can't salute
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 1: your style enough. It's awesome. The whole meat eater concept
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: is perfect, but so is hitting the demographic that will
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: never ever watch your show, and I've caused them in
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 1: many instances. I don't know the numbers, but I know
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 1: it's meaningful to buy a bone arrow and to buy
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 1: a hunting license and to join us. So I would
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 1: if that is your like, if that is your measure,
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 1: I measure is there another measure? I'm saying, if that
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: is one's measure, undeniably, I would never ever ever come
• 2:45:36
  Speaker 1: here and suggest anything other than that you are the
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 1: most impactful of live human being today in the world
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: of hunting. There is no like, There's not even a
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 1: second place. Because I take advantage of every public opportunity
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: to promote it with passion and rock and roll embellishment.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: That is the only where it comes to mind. And
• 2:46:02
  Speaker 1: so the people who are like when I did the
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan thing, and he'll tell you that the response
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: about the the the vapor trail of the tractor and
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: the disk of the plow. No one had ever heard
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: that before. No one had ever known that in order
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 1: to grow tofu you gotta kill everything and anything that
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 1: might slither back into that tofu field. We're gonna call
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: man saddle, We're gonna poison the ship out of him. Um,
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: So your Tofu salad is more deadly for your friends
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 1: of wildlife services. Yes, You're Tofu salad is more deadly
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 1: than if ted Nugent traded his bone arrowin for an
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 1: a ten ward hog. You can't kill more stuff than
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 1: the growing of vegetables and wine. It's the it's the
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 1: definitive genocide of anything threatening those agricultural products. No one
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 1: has ever even mentioned that before, because I'm the only
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 1: guy in the public visibility that actually runs a tractor
• 2:46:50
  Speaker 1: and likes the seagulls and the crows following me. And
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: I know that I'm slaughtering everything so I can grow
• 2:46:57
  Speaker 1: let us or whatever crop I'm growing. So it's that
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: boots on the ground, understanding the communication needs of conservation
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: to a distant, disconnected demographic. And I've drawn them in.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 1: Um do I piss some people off? Yeah, mostly people
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 1: in the industry that don't get it, that will never
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 1: recruit anybody. It's literally like I'm saving kids from the
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: Whitewater rapids and the swimming coach is angry and Cal's
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 1: English teacher in Missoula, Montana. Yes, yes, he saved the children.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: But did you see that speed? Would have made my
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: mama man too? But I made my mama man. Actually,
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: my mama love this ship. So my my point is
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 1: that I'm a spirited, unafraid, unapologetic absolutist, and I do
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 1: PG thirteen because I speak to a lot of young
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: organizations on Spirit of the Wild. I know that I
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: have a presidented, youthful demographic, even though one of the
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 1: oldest guys on there on TV because of my exuberance,
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: because of my I'm unafraid, And you didn't adjust your
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: style because you felt that you had to reach an
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: expanded demographic. I think it's really you. I didn't. I don't.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: I never Yeah, I never imagine making a style. I
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: was just like, there's a thing I cared about, and
• 2:48:30
  Speaker 1: that's how I cared about it. That's what I'm saying,
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 1: the same thing my motivation completely. I could care less
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 1: whether I make people happy or angry. This is what
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 1: I believe and this is how I present it and
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 1: it I'm not for everybody. You're not for everybody, But
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 1: thank god we're both in the same team. Are there?
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 1: Are there? What are you afraid of? Nothing? Nothing at all,
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: not even just you don't feel You don't feel like
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 1: a weekly daily like a fear of something, nothing, never anything.
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 1: It's because I've carved out this unbelievable dream. Only look
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 1: at what I live. I mean, I live on paradise
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 1: here in my mission. Gotta come to Michigan, my swamp.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 1: I have a fan. I have the largest fin east
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 1: of the Mississippi. It's a unique wet lade um. And
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 1: the biologists come because I got the mitchell Sadder butterfly
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 1: that's thriving. It's almost extinct everywhere else. And the Christmas
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 1: tree fern, which they claimed the Mitchell Satter butterfly needs
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 1: to propagate and they all the biologists go, you know
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 1: why you're fin is so healthy because you must kill
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of deer. Yep. So I know what sustained
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 1: yield is. I know what happened at Karen Capacity. I'm
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: the first guy to bring those terms into the public arena,
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 1: as the first guy to do that. Nobody from s
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 1: c I ever did that. But not only that, but
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 1: they're not allowed in the public arena because they're too stodgy.
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: Um so, so I I've carved out a dream where
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm really not afraid of anything. Um. You funk
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 1: with me, you lose um and I I live this independent, cocky, confident, righteous,
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 1: do good lifestyle. And it's so simple. That's why my
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 1: music is so raw. And I mean, I have a
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 1: new record coming out next month. Is just he had
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: a record come out last year, just like was it
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 1: just pre covid He had a record coming out. Music
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: made me do it? Monster saw this new record? Holy god,
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: you want a riot? Um So, yeah, I'm old, but
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: I'm healthy. Uh, and I live perfect life. It's just
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 1: I want for nothing, guys. One last question, go nuts.
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 1: There are many concerns, but if you have advice for outdoorsman.
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 1: Let's even say outdoorsmen and outdoors women. Yes, would What
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 1: would you like? What is the piece of advice you
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 1: have for people that want to preserve a lifestyle? Well,
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 1: every problem in American can be traced down two conservatives
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 1: not engaging And again, what's what's conservative? Values? God, family, country, constitution,
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 1: bill of rights, that work, ethic, that entrepreneurial spirit, that
• 2:51:28
  Speaker 1: man in the arena, law and order. All those things
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  Speaker 1: I just mentioned are not only the foundational values that
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  Speaker 1: made this the greatest quality of life in the history
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  Speaker 1: the world, but they're also very controversial today. All the
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  Speaker 1: best things about America are considered controversial. So we've discovered
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  Speaker 1: through our Hunter National organization to people go to Hunter
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  Speaker 1: Nation dot org they can see the statistics. We bought
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  Speaker 1: the list of every license hunter in America back in
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  Speaker 1: when we saw an outsider campaigning for the presidency against
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  Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible, power abusing, criminal Clinton organization, and when
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  Speaker 1: what we discovered was so heartbreaking that in every state
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  Speaker 1: there's an enormous and consequential percentage of licensed hunters that
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  Speaker 1: are not registered to vote and that have never registered
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  Speaker 1: to vote. But they're also the loudest squawkers about infringements
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  Speaker 1: on Second Amendment rights, UM regulations, hunting regulation, hunting, fishing,
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  Speaker 1: and trapping, which I've always used the Big three, hunting, fishing,
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  Speaker 1: and trapping. They're all critical is central conservation UH and
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  Speaker 1: endeavors that an embarrassing percentage of licensed hunters don't vote.
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  Speaker 1: We got Michigan, Wisconsin passage over of licensed hunters and
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  Speaker 1: Texas have never registered to vote. How could that be true?
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  Speaker 1: How can that be true? Wisconsin, Michigan fifty some percent,
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania mission Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, the Big three, even though Texas
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  Speaker 1: is more powerful and more UH are inclusive then those
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  Speaker 1: three states inten I campaign um maniacally in Missigan, Wisconsin,
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to basically inspire slash scold what I consider to
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  Speaker 1: be the most defined conservative demographic, A license hunter, all
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  Speaker 1: those basic traditional family values are they embody the hunting lifestyle,
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  Speaker 1: the hunting family. And we got them to register and
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  Speaker 1: vote in and we won. Though as a five or
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  Speaker 1: one C three I can endorse a candidate, and I
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  Speaker 1: never did. But when you mentioned God, family, and country,
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  Speaker 1: you know who that doesn't include. And all across this country,
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  Speaker 1: every state has an embarrassing percentage of license hunters that
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  Speaker 1: are not engaged. And again I'm controversial because I've always
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  Speaker 1: been engaged when I see stupid regulations. I protest when
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  Speaker 1: I see Scott County Park and Brown County Park no
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  Speaker 1: hunting allowed, and it looks like a moonscape and it's
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  Speaker 1: all dirt and ribby deer. We attended UH meetings with
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  Speaker 1: the bureaucrats and we opened up bow hunting in those
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  Speaker 1: states and their vegetation. The habitat came back, and the
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  Speaker 1: diversity came back, and revenues are generated and family hoars
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  Speaker 1: of recreation were generated. And it didn't happen just by
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  Speaker 1: buying a hunting license. Now, it happened by lobbying and
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  Speaker 1: by showing up at these committee hearings and raising hell
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  Speaker 1: and identifying the embarrassment of environmental destruction when you don't
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  Speaker 1: harvest responsibly. And so I've seen how just speaking up
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  Speaker 1: can change stupid into good. Um. And that's what that's
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  Speaker 1: what I've always been involved with. When I see regulations
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  Speaker 1: like in Michigan, even if you had to concealed weapons permit,
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  Speaker 1: which don't need Ultimately, you don't need a permit from
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  Speaker 1: anybody to carry a gun. God gave you the right
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  Speaker 1: to keep bear arms. But even if you had a permit,
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  Speaker 1: which I did back in the sixties and seventies, you
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  Speaker 1: couldn't carry a pistol when you're bow hunting. How do
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  Speaker 1: you square that? Since when does self defense have anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with recreational concerns? And so I lobbied against that.
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  Speaker 1: There were eleven counties in Michigan you couldn't hunt on Sundays.
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  Speaker 1: My brain didn't know what to do with this information.
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  Speaker 1: Sant just insane, which it is, So I lobby and
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  Speaker 1: got those counties legalized. Steve, did you know you must know?
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  Speaker 1: In Michigan until nineteen seventy five the government said you
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  Speaker 1: can't climb a tree and hunt. What have you gotta be?
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  Speaker 1: There's a man in charge of my tree climbing. I
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  Speaker 1: want to meet this guy. I'm gonna hire Mike Tyson.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever anybody does something stupid, I'm saying, Mike, give that
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  Speaker 1: guy one in the throat. Would you just punch him?
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  Speaker 1: Because how insane regulating somebody out of a tree? How
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing is that? So so yeah, i've i've I like that.
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  Speaker 1: You uh, you work within the system often yet by
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  Speaker 1: expanding the system to a fluid common sense. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you but you, uh, half of you rebels against it,
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  Speaker 1: behalf of you is very willing to engage in it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think to get the change you're after, You're like,
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  Speaker 1: there's a civil disc you have, you have like a
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  Speaker 1: strong civil disobedience vein, Well make it legal. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: then you also have a policy vein. And I think, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate rebellion is engagement. And again this is an experiment.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing that glues them together. And I think
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  Speaker 1: they're one and the same in actual practice. And so
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  Speaker 1: when I see stupid, I attack it and I spotlight
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  Speaker 1: what makes it stupid, so that people who have accepted
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  Speaker 1: stupid finally goes, yeah, that is stupid. You know. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Cal spends a good part of his uh personal and
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  Speaker 1: professional life cajoling people into engagement. Yes, sometimes it takes advocacy,
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  Speaker 1: and all you hear is talk about hunting and politics
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  Speaker 1: out of it. It is politics. What the hell you doing?
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  Speaker 1: What is more political than hunting regulations? It's so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's driven me crazy. And that's where you hear the
• 2:57:14
  Speaker 1: squawking within the industry and Nugent's radical hello of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm radical. How dare I experiment self government? That's the
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  Speaker 1: most radical thing in the history of the human experience.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really swinging over to this uncle Ted Moniker, You
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  Speaker 1: Michiganders have, We've got a lot in common. Ted, Well, Ted,
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  Speaker 1: you would love his podcast for real. It's information. You
• 2:57:39
  Speaker 1: don't find me how to access all these things? And
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 1: now in my spirit, uh campfire, you should witness it's
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 1: all over the map. It's guitar playing, and it's social stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's silly stuff, it's hardcore stuff. It's condemnation of power
• 2:57:54
  Speaker 1: abusers and illegitimacy that infests our government. But it's also fun, outrageous, defiant, uninhibited, irreverent,
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  Speaker 1: all of my favorite things. Your reverence important. We need
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  Speaker 1: to We need a media episode with you two in Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, how about this? Let me leave you with
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  Speaker 1: this another one. That's what I gotta leave you with.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give us so I don't have to argue
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people? Can you right now give us
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  Speaker 1: the verbal okay? Is are you legally allowed to say that?
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  Speaker 1: We can close the episode with Fred Bear absolute? In fact,
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  Speaker 1: some some annoying person is not going to give us
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  Speaker 1: I think you should open it at least with that
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  Speaker 1: opening core. That's the altim we recently used it. We
• 2:58:37
  Speaker 1: do a trivia show and the thing we recently used
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  Speaker 1: it a clip on the trivia show. I would use
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  Speaker 1: every all of it. But I have a song on
• 2:58:44
  Speaker 1: the new record called American Campfire and a song called
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 1: a song called Winter Spring Summer Fall that I'll play
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  Speaker 1: it for you, um that it's just beautiful. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever heard my instrumental sunrise? Oh what if that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: capture our You're getting to their location and waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the life to come alive around us. That only I
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  Speaker 1: could have written that, and it was spontaneous. I got
• 2:59:09
  Speaker 1: Michael LUTs and Ann Arbor had a new recording device.
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  Speaker 1: I go, well, I got my six string Fender base here,
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  Speaker 1: um here, put a mike in here, let's do this
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  Speaker 1: Take one. I made that song out of no that's
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  Speaker 1: how fred Bare happened. Take one. I showed it to
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  Speaker 1: my guys in between sobbing and we recorded it take one.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I use that stuff. Use Sunrise. It's a beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It's I'm the only guy who's created really outdoorsy music.
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  Speaker 1: That's who else? What other song is outdoors Don't give
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  Speaker 1: me This, and there's out Doorsy and then there's a
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  Speaker 1: doors and balls Sunrise. Sunrise is a beautiful it's a
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  Speaker 1: it's symphonic and winter spring, summer far. I have a
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  Speaker 1: song on my last a couple of albums ago called
• 2:59:59
  Speaker 1: earth Tones that it's just just orchestrated Amboy Duke's Hibernation Migration.
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  Speaker 1: Check out the song Migration on the first Amboy Dukes
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful instrumental, orchestrated, symphonic, you know, crescendo, here comes
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  Speaker 1: the elk. I I unleashed that in my music. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very very proud of that. Alright, this is great, deadly
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  Speaker 1: you people deserve me. You are special people. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I've always said, if you're not having fun with me,
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