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Credlin | 13 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show, YEP. Steve Price in
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Speaker 2: for Peter tonight and I'll be back with our regular
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Speaker 2: Friday night show tomorrow. What's coming up on Kredlin tonight? Though?
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Speaker 2: Ever heard of Chris Bowen's latest green grab. It's called
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Speaker 2: Seabam of all things. He introduced a review called that
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Basically a carbon tariff of on
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Speaker 2: imported goods from countries not doing enough to reduce carbon emissions,
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Speaker 2: countries like the US. Maybe we'll talk to The Australian's
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Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd on what that would do to our tariff
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Speaker 2: war with the US. Donald Trump, speaking of the US,
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Speaker 2: his pace of delivering election promises is absolutely breathtaking. Today
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Speaker 2: he revealed that he had been on the phone with Russias,
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin and Ukraine Zelenski and he's determined to broke
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Speaker 2: a peace deal on the Bloody conflict. He has been negotiating.
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Speaker 2: He's got a team assembled. It looks likely they're going
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Speaker 2: to head to Saudi Arabia and Malcolm Davis from Asby
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Speaker 2: will join us to ascertain exactly what that all means,
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Speaker 2: and the outrageous Bankstown Hospital nurses death threat. The social
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Speaker 2: media rant has many developments still to come. As we
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Speaker 2: go to air tonight we'll have all the updates, plus finally,
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Speaker 2: weekly pro Palestinian rallies in Melbourne. They're going to be
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Speaker 2: cut to one a month. They should be stopped all together,
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Speaker 2: I would have thought. Jewish State political leader David Southwick
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Speaker 2: joins us as well, and speaking of President Trump, he
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Speaker 2: says Americans are going to go back to plastic straws,
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Speaker 2: ditching useless paper ones. I wonder what our panel will
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Speaker 2: make of that. We'll get onto that later in the program.
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Speaker 2: But first up, the current two weeks sitting of the
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Speaker 2: Federal Parliament, as we know, wrapped up today and we
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Speaker 2: might have seen the last question time for this Albanesi
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Speaker 2: government as we head to an election. Only the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: of course, in his closest advisors had know the likely date,
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Speaker 2: and even they might not have yet decided on the day.
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Speaker 2: And potential interest rate cuts next Tuesday could have a
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Speaker 2: big influence on when it happens. But it seemed to
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Speaker 2: me there were politicians in Camberra today who were heading home.
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Speaker 2: They were glad to go. Many of them thought they
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Speaker 2: would not be back until after the election. Now, however,
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Speaker 2: at least three things this week that happened point I
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Speaker 2: think to an election earlier rather than later, and at
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Speaker 2: least one of those events would indicate that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister is stealing himself for the worst possible outcome for
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Speaker 2: US Australians. A minority labor government being forced into a
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Speaker 2: horse trading compromise between Labor, the Teals and the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what a horror show that'd be. And
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Speaker 2: there they were Tuesday night, all the Teals plus the
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Speaker 2: Independence like New South Wales Dye Lee, who apparently was
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Speaker 2: a last minute invite. She told Laura Jays on Sky
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Speaker 2: Today that in credibly, all it was was some bizarre
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Speaker 2: cocktail party.
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Speaker 3: I thought, you know, there was going to be some
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Speaker 3: kind of conversation, just hello, have some you know. I
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Speaker 3: had a glass of mineral water, had some you know,
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Speaker 3: Little Nibly's finger food. But got to see the lodge,
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Speaker 3: which is great. It was the first time to be
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Speaker 3: in the lodge for me and to hear about the
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Speaker 3: history of the lodge and there.
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Speaker 4: So there was no minority government, nothing, zilch.
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Speaker 2: Bizarre. Now, obviously the Prime Minister was never going to
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Speaker 2: drop the election date to this little team of potential
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Speaker 2: election stalemate busting crossbenches, But there is no doubt this
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Speaker 2: was soft diplomacy at its best. Show off the lodgely
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Speaker 2: revealed she had never been there before and they actually
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Speaker 2: got a history lesson. That was hint number one. Then
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Speaker 2: yesterday two more signposts that we might be closer to
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Speaker 2: an election than we think to finding out when we
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Speaker 2: get to vote. Now we had the bizarre site of
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister yesterday standing in front of the marginal
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Speaker 2: of the regional airport of Marimbila with a bunch of
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Speaker 2: labor backbenches, the Transport Minister, I think, announcing that if
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Speaker 2: the troubled airline REX and its receivers, if they can't
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Speaker 2: find a buyer, we the taxpayer, might all end up
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Speaker 2: owning an airline. That'd be the first time since Quantis
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Speaker 2: got sold. Now, why is this a potential election hint? Well,
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Speaker 2: what better way to hit the Nationals and the Libs
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Speaker 2: over the head than with the idea that their regional
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Speaker 2: airports and the planes that might land in them might
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Speaker 2: start going dark. If Albo, the champion of the Bush
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Speaker 2: doesn't step in and save all those voters links to
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Speaker 2: capital cities around the nation. How kind of him.
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Speaker 5: REX is an incredibly important airline. Now we want to see.
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Speaker 2: The acquisition of Rex.
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Speaker 5: The Australias are looking at that, but we want to
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Speaker 5: also declare that we simply aren't going to allow these
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Speaker 5: communities to be left with no aviation access.
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Speaker 2: And this is all about the election. Governments have no
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Speaker 2: place using taxpayers money to become airline operators and I
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Speaker 2: strongly believe it will never happen. But it's a handy
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Speaker 2: promise to make in the shadow of polling day and
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Speaker 2: talking taking taxpayers money and lots of it. Hint number three.
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Speaker 2: It involves two point two billion dollars, a big chunk
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Speaker 2: of change. And what's that for. Well, it's going to
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Speaker 2: be poured into Melbourne's underground train line. Costed and I
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Speaker 2: use that word loosely costed at an eye watering thirty
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Speaker 2: four point five billion dollars to connect two suburbs with
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Speaker 2: a twenty six kilometer long tunnel. Now, Canberra has been
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Speaker 2: stalling on tipping this money into the project for years
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Speaker 2: because Infrastructure Australia was not satisfied with the business case.
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Speaker 2: But again there are federal seats along the passage of
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Speaker 2: that underground train that labour wants to hang on to.
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Speaker 2: You ask why suddenly has it changed that the money
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Speaker 2: suddenly now available. Well, Infrastructure Minister Catherine King said yesterday
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Speaker 2: the hold up was over the department and that's now
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Speaker 2: they're satisfied that it can work.
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Speaker 6: Two point two, which was the election commitment we made
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Speaker 6: Infrastructure Australia and my department have now provided me with
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Speaker 6: advice on the assessment of the project proposal report, which
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Speaker 6: is pretty routine. That's what I do, and that's now
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Speaker 6: been released.
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Speaker 2: And she went further promising another fund more funding, a
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Speaker 2: whopping eleven point five billion was being considered. Now the
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Speaker 2: Lupe Victorian state government welcome the funding. With this amazing quote,
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Speaker 2: the Suburban rail Loop Minister some un called Harriet Shing
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Speaker 2: is calling the te train tunnel a housing project, not
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Speaker 2: a train tunnel a housing project. She called it Australia's
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Speaker 2: largest housing project. I mean, seriously, the justification for that,
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Speaker 2: we're wild claim build this tunnel and stations above it.
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Speaker 2: Developers will suddenly build houses. Great, but when will anyone
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Speaker 2: be able to catch one of these trains to their
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Speaker 2: new house above the station twenty thirty five. If you're
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Speaker 2: lucky ten years from now. Seriously, there we have it.
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Speaker 2: Ducks in a row, with more to come. Independents seduced,
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Speaker 2: regional voters promised planes, and Victorians handed two thousand, one
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars for a train line. Most people in
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Speaker 2: Australia will never use. I smell an election. I reckon.
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Speaker 2: It's just around the corner, It's said to Camber. Now
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Speaker 2: for tonight's political headlines with Sky News political reporter Reubenspago.
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Speaker 4: Traide Minister is denying claims Australia's exports are killing the
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Speaker 4: United States metal market. A Trump advisor is taking issue
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Speaker 4: with an uptick in aluminium trade under the Biden administration.
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Speaker 4: Don Farrells's Australia has done nothing that conflicts with any
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Speaker 4: current arrangements.
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Speaker 7: We will do our level best to present in the
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Speaker 7: best possible way, our case for ensuring that we're not
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Speaker 7: subject to these tariftsed.
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Speaker 4: The Minister is hoping to soon meet his American counterpart.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition is calling for the Prime Minister to hold
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Speaker 4: face to face talks with Donald Trump. Jackie Lamby is
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Speaker 4: also offering some advice.
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Speaker 8: US has no their submarines have no communications without US.
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Speaker 8: We could shut that down tomorrow. Why isn't he saying
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Speaker 8: listen mate, I've also got these things going on. Don't
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Speaker 8: play with me. But right now the best thing he
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Speaker 8: could be doing is getting onto those other countries out
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Speaker 8: there and going we need to stand together.
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Speaker 4: Chinese jets have released flares near an Australian aircraft. The
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Speaker 4: incident took place over the South China Sea.
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Speaker 9: Clearly, our defense forces are going to interact with each other,
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Speaker 9: we know that. But what's really important is that when
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Speaker 9: they do, they do so in a manner which is
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Speaker 9: safe and professional, and this wasn't.
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Speaker 4: Australia has raised the issue with Chinese diplomats in Canberra
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Speaker 4: and in Beijing. At the same time, Defense has picked
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Speaker 4: up a Chinese task group off the north coast of Australia.
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Speaker 4: On Tuesday, a Chinese frigate transited the Tourist Strait.
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Speaker 9: I've ordered a deployment of both Navy and Air Force
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Speaker 9: assets to make sure that we are shadowing this to
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Speaker 9: have a clear understanding of what's going on.
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Speaker 4: Ruben Spargo, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Let's stay in Canberra We're joined now by scott News
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Speaker 2: political reporter Cam Red and great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Camp I mentioned at the start of the program it
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Speaker 2: has a feeling in Parliament House there tonight, does it
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Speaker 2: not that no one might be back until after an election?
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Speaker 10: Now, no one wants to be back, Steve. We've got
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Speaker 10: a budget scheduled apparently for about six weeks time. There's
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Speaker 10: not a lot of feeling within the building at the
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Speaker 10: moment that that is going to happen. You've laid out
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Speaker 10: the case that all signs are pointing to an election soon.
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Speaker 10: I don't think we'll be calling it this weekend, but look,
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Speaker 10: the go bag is packed, We're all ready to go.
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Speaker 10: It'll be a critical day next week, on Tuesday, when
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Speaker 10: the Reserve Bank delivers that rate decision. Steve, there's been
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Speaker 10: some tempering of a lot of the hopes that this
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Speaker 10: was a locked in rate cut. I don't think it's
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Speaker 10: one hundred percent anymore. We've seen inflation tick up in
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Speaker 10: the US, there's this uncertainty around tariff, so plenty of
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Speaker 10: things weighing on Michelle Bullock's mind. But once that decision
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Speaker 10: is made on Tuesday, then really all bets are off.
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Speaker 10: I think it could really be called pretty much any
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Speaker 10: day from then. And look, Steve, why would you come
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Speaker 10: back and do a budget. It's sort of now or
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Speaker 10: I guess not now or never, but you feel I
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Speaker 10: could strike while the iron's hot for the PM.
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Speaker 2: Cam am I overstating that little get together at the
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Speaker 2: large em in the Tills all went down there. Diley
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Speaker 2: was on this morning on Sky saying, well, she was
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Speaker 2: the last minute invite. You'd have to think, even though
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Speaker 2: there was no discussion of an early election, that that
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Speaker 2: is sort of soft diplomacy I'd call it. And I
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Speaker 2: think the Tills were quite delighted that they got the invite.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, Well, there could all be critical Steve.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we've been crunching the numbers and trying to
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Speaker 2: cut it each way, and how these things could fall
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Speaker 2: if we do end up in minority government discussions. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister knows what this is like very well.
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Speaker 2: He was there in twenty ten with those protracted negotiations
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Speaker 2: Julia Gillard ultimately getting over the line with the help
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Speaker 2: of a few independents. The differences I suppose in this
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Speaker 2: case there could be multiple paths to forming a minority
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Speaker 2: government and it could be the situation where the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and the Opposition leader are genuinely competing with the
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Speaker 2: independence because we're expecting it to be a fairly large
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Speaker 2: pool of them and maybe even growing the cross bench
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Speaker 2: at the end of the election. And that means that
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Speaker 2: there could be genuine discussions on both sides and it
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Speaker 2: could come down to a couple potentially tials, potentially other
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Speaker 2: independence like a dial leg, like a g in Klaire,
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Speaker 2: like a Bob Catter, like and Andrew wilk who ultimately
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Speaker 2: gets the government over the line or the opposition over
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Speaker 2: the line.
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Speaker 10: There's a lot of unknown Steve, particularly if those two
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Speaker 10: major parties end up basically neck and neck, that's when
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Speaker 10: it's going to really be in the trenches of negotiation.
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Speaker 10: So I don't think you are overstating it. Those meetings,
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Speaker 10: the FaceTime with the PM, they all count when it
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Speaker 10: comes down to a decision time if the independents have
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Speaker 10: to make one.
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Speaker 2: Kase Samaras from Redbridge did some analysis on the seats.
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Speaker 2: His poll out today or his analysis says, well, he
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Speaker 2: thinks that the Prime Minister is set to lose at
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Speaker 2: least eight to ten seats. I think that's underestimating it,
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Speaker 2: to be honest, And eight to ten is not nearly
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Speaker 2: enough that Peter Dutton needs. He needs more, like you know,
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Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen to even get if he is going to
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Speaker 2: get majority, he needs that. But I get a feeling
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Speaker 2: it's going to be more than eight or ten. I mean,
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Speaker 2: particularly when you look at that result that we had
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Speaker 2: in Victoria last weekend and late today. It shows a
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Speaker 2: seventeen percent swing against the Labor Party in the seat
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Speaker 2: of Werribee, which was a former federal seat that Julia
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Speaker 2: Gillard held.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Laylor, is that one or Lawler, I should say,
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Speaker 10: And that's put a number of Labor MPs on noticed
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Speaker 10: Pede Steve, I should say, sorry, it's been a long day, Steve.
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Speaker 10: In some of those other out of suburban seats in Melbourne,
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Speaker 10: you look at the likes of Hawk and even Gorton
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Speaker 10: where Brendan O'Connor is retiring, in some of those other
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Speaker 10: seats in that outer suburban ring, six seven eight percent
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Speaker 10: margins a lot of them, but that result in Werriby
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Speaker 10: has really shocked them, I think, Steve. To be honest,
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Speaker 10: it's so close to call right now, it's hard to
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Speaker 10: put a specific number on it, but I do think that,
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Speaker 10: like what Cosumara suggests, if Labor is losing between eight
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Speaker 10: and ten seats, even if it's a little more, you
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Speaker 10: could see both major parties on that sixty nine to
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Speaker 10: seventy seat range. You need seventy six to form government.
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Speaker 10: So on the coalition's best night, their best night, win
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Speaker 10: a couple of tual seats, win back some Green seats
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Speaker 10: in Queensland, maybe a few things go better than expected
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Speaker 10: in New South Wales and Victoria. That's when they're knocking
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Speaker 10: on the door of a majority government. Some of the
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Speaker 10: people in the coalition tell me that they think they
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Speaker 10: can get three independents, so the likes of Diely, Bob
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Speaker 10: Catter and potentially someone like an Andrew g Maybe in
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Speaker 10: a best case scenario a legal a spender, so three
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Speaker 10: at best four. That means if they can get to
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Speaker 10: seventy three or seventy two seats, they're in with a shot.
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Speaker 10: Anything less than that. Many in the coalition think it
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Speaker 10: might be a bridge too far. But all signs at
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Speaker 10: the moment Steve point to a really tricky negotiation period
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Speaker 10: if neither side, neither major party can get much above
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Speaker 10: seventy one or seventy two seats.
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Speaker 2: That's when things get really tricky. Cam. Just finally as
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Speaker 2: you sit there to are they still trying to ram
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Speaker 2: legislation through the Senate? The bells a ring a short
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Speaker 2: time ago.
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Speaker 10: I think they've actually knocked off, Steve, from what I
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Speaker 10: can see the slates next to me that would show
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Speaker 10: the houses of Parliament are clean. So it appears they
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Speaker 10: might well have knocked off for the day. Everyone's came
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Speaker 10: to get out here. They've all got flights to catch.
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Speaker 10: No one wants to be here for a budget, so
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Speaker 10: that might well be it stayed between now in election time.
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Speaker 10: Could just be it. They could be done and while
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Speaker 10: we're all waiting now.
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Speaker 2: Lonely week for you next week Cam riddan, Thank you
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Speaker 2: very much mate. I'll catch up with you shortly. Parliament
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Speaker 2: House emptying out now. Talking about politics, Labor government is
15:22
Speaker 2: still trying to work out a carve out deal on
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Speaker 2: the US steel and aluminum tariffs. This is going to
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Speaker 2: take quite a while. It's not going to happen quickly.
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Speaker 2: Tariff's not you in for another month. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: is being urged to rule out implementing a carbon border
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Speaker 2: tariff now a preliminary recommendation from a review into carbon leakage.
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Speaker 2: This was launched in twenty twenty three. It's a little complicated.
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Speaker 2: But for more on this, I'm joined by Environment Editor
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Speaker 2: Environment Editor of the Australian, Graham. Lloyd Graham, Great to
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Speaker 2: see you again. What is a carbon leakage package and
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Speaker 2: how might it impact on this argument we're now having
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Speaker 2: with the Americans on tap tariffs.
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Speaker 11: Well, good evening, Steve. Look, it's something that only the
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Speaker 11: Europeans could think of when we look at tariffs. Really,
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Speaker 11: the thing that's been hanging over us for the past
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Speaker 11: few years has been the potential for Europe to impose
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Speaker 11: a carbon penalty for countries that don't have climate policies
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Speaker 11: as strong as theirs. Of course that's been overtaken by
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Speaker 11: President Trump has got a broad trade war going on.
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Speaker 11: But in effect, a carbon tariff is there to protect
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Speaker 11: industries that have to spend money to reduce their emissions
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Speaker 11: and not be penalized by countries that don't have the
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Speaker 11: same sort of policies. So the danger in things like
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Speaker 11: the safeguard mechanism and what have you that the federal
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Speaker 11: government has introduced is that it increases costs for local
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Speaker 11: producers and then others in China and elsewhere that don't
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Speaker 11: have those costs and just swarm in their market. The
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Speaker 11: European approach is to tax it so it makes everything equal.
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Speaker 11: But of course this is just a bureaucratic nightmare and
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Speaker 11: Australia really needs to be on the side of free
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Speaker 11: trade and no tariffs.
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Speaker 2: This smelly thing's been hanging around since twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Our old mate Chris Bowen has sort of put it
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Speaker 2: and seems to have put it aside or put at
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Speaker 2: the bottom of a draw, but it does sit there.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is there any country that we impoured from that?
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Speaker 2: I mean, we wouldn't be able to buy anything from
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Speaker 2: China without putting a tariff on it, would we, because
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Speaker 2: they're not doing what the European countries are doing or
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Speaker 2: what the standard that we would demand.
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Speaker 11: That's right, And the sort of the prison through which
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Speaker 11: we've seen it is, well, we won't get access to
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Speaker 11: European markets if we don't do something that pleases then
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Speaker 11: and then on the other side, well we're going to
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Speaker 11: cop it from elsewhere. So it's a bit of a mess.
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Speaker 11: And the fact that there has been no final report
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Speaker 11: or can iteration of this, I think suggests how tricky
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Speaker 11: it is for the government to consider and implement. It's
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Speaker 11: still going to be copying lobbying from the big trade
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Speaker 11: exposed industries that's steel, that's aluminium, that are facing penalties
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Speaker 11: in the US now, and I think it's the taxpayer
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Speaker 11: that's going to end up out of pocket and eventually
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Speaker 11: the industries will probably pack up.
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Speaker 2: I think Graham new and I smell that the worm
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Speaker 2: sort of turning on all of this green energy stuff.
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Speaker 2: I note this out for the Clean Energy Council. They've
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Speaker 2: been talking up the fact that they're nine billion dollars
18:36
Speaker 2: worth of renewable projects were green lit for construction, but
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Speaker 2: if you dig a little deeper there, we actually find
18:43
Speaker 2: out that the capacity is still running well behind on
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Speaker 2: what's needed to get to that target of twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: We're never going to get to the target, are we.
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Speaker 11: Well. It doesn't like it, Steve. I think you look
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Speaker 11: at today's announcement and they're making a big deal of
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Speaker 11: the fact that a large number of projects reached a
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Speaker 11: commitment in the last period, but before that there was
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Speaker 11: a drought and extended drought, so Effectively, we have to
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Speaker 11: have that level of projects approved every month or every
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Speaker 11: quarter for the going into the future, and that's just
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Speaker 11: not going to happen. I think, as you have indicated,
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Speaker 11: the worm is turning. We're seeing the big investors in
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Speaker 11: superannuation funds, Mccrorybank and others. They're really taking a close
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Speaker 11: look at their exposure to this sector and they're closing
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Speaker 11: their wallets. They can see what's happening in the US,
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Speaker 11: and I think it's not going to please the government's
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Speaker 11: ambitions when it comes to meeting climate targets.
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Speaker 2: Graham Grek to catch up. Thank you very much mate,
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Speaker 2: Now coming up after the break. Good today mark the
19:48
Speaker 2: start at the end of the war in Ukraine. We
19:51
Speaker 2: had Donald Trump now talking about sitting down and meeting
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Speaker 2: with Vladimir Putin. Plus, is it time we rethink how
19:58
Speaker 2: we hand out citizenship in this country. The Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has hinted as such. More on that coming up.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Steve Price sitting in for Peter kream
20:12
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump. He seems to have a rolling media
20:14
Speaker 2: conference in the Oval office where he just spouts out
20:17
Speaker 2: all sorts of policies day after day after day. It's
20:20
Speaker 2: an extraordinary effort. What he's done so far and in
20:24
Speaker 2: the few weeks that he's been back in the White
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Speaker 2: House is unbelievable. Today it was all about war, particularly
20:30
Speaker 2: the Ukraine Russian War. Now there is some predicting that
20:34
Speaker 2: it could come to an end sooner rather than later.
20:36
Speaker 2: We learned today that President Trump and his Russian counterpart,
20:39
Speaker 2: who had a long telephone conversation. It went for more
20:42
Speaker 2: than an hour. Apparently they're going to now commence peace talks.
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Speaker 2: They're going to have an upcoming meeting, we're told in
20:49
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. Now, of course everyone would like to end
20:53
Speaker 2: that war. I mean, I like the common way, the
20:55
Speaker 2: language that Donald Trump uses. He says, we've got to
20:57
Speaker 2: finish this. Millions of people have been killed. It's a
21:00
Speaker 2: flat land, you can't hide anywhere, and it's brutal. And
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Speaker 2: he said he's seen pictures that no one wants to see.
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Speaker 2: But of course the devil's in the detail. Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: has tempered some of those expectations around Ukraine and particularly
21:13
Speaker 2: about it joining NATO. President Zelenski is going to have
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Speaker 2: to make some concessions. You would think, join me now
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Speaker 2: to discuss this and an incident with the Australian military
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Speaker 2: in China. Is senior analyst at the Australians Strategic Policy Institute,
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Davis. Good see you again. WI learn this morning
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Speaker 2: that two key concessions probably would have to be Ukraine
21:35
Speaker 2: would have to be told it can't join NATO and
21:39
Speaker 2: there could be some sort of change in the Ukraine border.
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Speaker 2: Is Zelenski going to wear either of those?
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Speaker 12: Well, those are sort of concessions that they should not
21:49
Speaker 12: be asked to make. Essentially, the first one basically means
21:53
Speaker 12: that Ukraine has no security guarantees from the West in
21:57
Speaker 12: the face of future Russian aggression, and the second one
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Speaker 12: basically means Russia is rewarded for its aggression since twenty
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Speaker 12: twenty two. So what that will do is give Russia
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Speaker 12: time to rearm and regroup its military capability so that
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Speaker 12: in a year or two it can launch the war
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Speaker 12: again and without any sort of security assistance from NATO.
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Speaker 12: With the Trump administration blocking the ability of European states
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Speaker 12: to assist Ukraine, Ukraine is at the mercy of Russia.
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Speaker 12: So this is a really bad deal, not just for
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Speaker 12: Ukraine but also for European security, which.
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Speaker 2: I saw Alexander Danner, a former foreign minister, on with
22:39
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny before US tonight and he prosecuted the argument
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Speaker 2: that perhaps the Americans could put up their own guarantees
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Speaker 2: to Zelenski, that America would be their protector rather than
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Speaker 2: wide at NATO.
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Speaker 12: Is that a possibility No, I mean, it's very clear
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Speaker 12: coming out of the Trump administration that America is washing
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Speaker 12: its hands of Ukraine, basically pulling the rug out from
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Speaker 12: under them, and so the Ukrainians now face, as I said,
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Speaker 12: the prospect that any deal that is made effectively delivering
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Speaker 12: peace in our time will be a temporary measure at best,
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Speaker 12: just like it was in Munich in nineteen thirty eight,
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Speaker 12: and essentially give the Russians time to rearm and regroup,
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Speaker 12: and the Russians can then launch the war again when
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Speaker 12: it's a time of their choosing. But worse, what it
23:29
Speaker 12: does is it sends the signal to Moscow that the
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Speaker 12: US no longer has a willingness to support NATO. And
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Speaker 12: hegxf basically made that clear in his statement at NATO
23:42
Speaker 12: today where he said the US is no longer the
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Speaker 12: primary security guaranteur of NATO, so that will only embolden
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Speaker 12: Putin to be more aggressive and more provocative, potentially directly
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Speaker 12: attack NATO itself, so as was the case in Munich
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Speaker 12: in nineteen thirty eight, in twenty twenty five, another deal
24:00
Speaker 12: is being done that could sow the seeds of a
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Speaker 12: wider war.
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Speaker 2: Malcom back in our area. We heard late this afternoon
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Speaker 2: out of Canberra that there was a worrying incident with
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Speaker 2: the Chinese military. Now this is up in the team
24:16
Speaker 2: or straight had a Chinese fighter jet letting off flares
24:20
Speaker 2: right near one of our aircraft. The ADF is also
24:24
Speaker 2: monitoring three Chinese warships separately to that, which have been
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Speaker 2: observed operating near our northeast coast. The jet incident near China.
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Speaker 2: At first that seemed very dangerous and there was remarks
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Speaker 2: from Richard Miles on Sky today that went very close
24:43
Speaker 2: to that aircraft exactly.
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Speaker 12: That Chinese fighter at J sixteen was within thirty meters
24:51
Speaker 12: of our Poseidon Maritime Patrol aircraft. It released flares and
24:55
Speaker 12: if those flares had gone into the intakes of the
24:58
Speaker 12: PATES engines, it could have exploded the fuel in the aircraft,
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Speaker 12: destroying the aircraft and killing all on board and a
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Speaker 12: PA usually has between twelve and sixteen people on board,
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Speaker 12: So that Chinese fighter aircraft put the lives of those
25:15
Speaker 12: Australian citizens, those Australian servicemen and women at direct risk,
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Speaker 12: and it did it deliberately because there is no way
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Speaker 12: that that Chinese pilot would have accidentally released those flares.
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Speaker 12: That pilot knew exactly what they were doing, and it
25:30
Speaker 12: was an attempt to intimidate Australia through a direct action
25:35
Speaker 12: against our military.
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Speaker 2: What about these three naval vessels from China that have
25:41
Speaker 2: been sailing through the team or Sea and are off
25:44
Speaker 2: the north eastern coast of Australia. That's not unusual, but
25:48
Speaker 2: obviously we need to keep an eye.
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Speaker 3: On them.
25:51
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 12: I mean, they're operating within our maritime approaches and I
25:57
Speaker 12: think that it's only natural and sense that we keep
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Speaker 12: an eye on these ships. One of them is a
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Speaker 12: ren high class cruiser Type fifty five, which is the
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Speaker 12: world's most powerful warship in the sense that it has
26:10
Speaker 12: the largest number of vertical launch system rocket cells missile
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Speaker 12: cells in its design, so it is very heavily armed.
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Speaker 12: It's operating very close to Australia in terms of its
26:21
Speaker 12: ability to gather intelligence.
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Speaker 2: And support operations, and so I think.
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Speaker 12: It's quite sensible for the Australian Defense Force to deploy
26:28
Speaker 12: air and naval assets just to keep an eye on
26:30
Speaker 12: that flotilla of ships to make sure that they don't
26:34
Speaker 12: come any closer, particularly that they don't intrude into our
26:37
Speaker 12: territorial waters which extend out to twelve nautical miles.
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Speaker 2: Malcolm al is good to catch up with you. Thanks
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Speaker 2: a lot, I'll talk to you again soon. Let's go
26:46
Speaker 2: straight back to camera now. Look, much of the day
26:49
Speaker 2: has been dominated from the fallout from that appalling anti
26:53
Speaker 2: semitic video of those two New South Wales nurses who've
26:56
Speaker 2: now been banned, as I understand it, from working in
26:59
Speaker 2: the helsist in New South Wales for life. The Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Peter Dutton was asked this morning about one of
27:06
Speaker 2: the nurses. This is Ahmad Rashad Nada, who came to
27:11
Speaker 2: Australia from Afghanistan. He was only twelve years old at
27:13
Speaker 2: the time. This is what Peter Dutton had to say.
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Speaker 13: It's a worry, it's an outrage and we've got big
27:20
Speaker 13: problems in this country when somebody like that can become
27:23
Speaker 13: an Australian citizen. So there needs to be a proper
27:25
Speaker 13: process in place to understand how this individual became an
27:30
Speaker 13: Australian citizen and where the failing in the system originated,
27:33
Speaker 13: and how we can make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Speaker 2: It's just such a dreadful situation what occurred over the
27:40
Speaker 2: last two days. Joining me now, I think he's still
27:42
Speaker 2: in Canberra, LMP Senator James McGrath. You haven't managed to
27:46
Speaker 2: escape the National Capitol yet, Senator, No.
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Speaker 14: I haven't.
27:52
Speaker 15: I'll be on the first chopper out of here tomorrow morning.
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Speaker 2: There's a Senate up for the session going back tonight.
28:01
Speaker 2: No more bills to ram through.
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Speaker 15: No, we sat last night till just after eleven o'clock
28:09
Speaker 15: and this afternoon all things finish at about six pm.
28:13
Speaker 15: So we're not here next week. For those that are interested,
28:16
Speaker 15: I'll be at the Chinchilla Watermelon Festival on Saturday. But
28:20
Speaker 15: in a week's time we're going to come back for estimates.
28:23
Speaker 15: But there are rumors in this building that there could
28:27
Speaker 15: be an early election called for March twenty nine, So
28:30
Speaker 15: let's see what happens.
28:33
Speaker 2: What you reckon? I mean, do you think you'll see
28:35
Speaker 2: a budget handed down by this government, or will they
28:38
Speaker 2: hopefully see a Reserve Bank interest rate cut next week
28:42
Speaker 2: Tuesday and then run to the polls.
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Speaker 15: I think the Prime Minister is just doing a massive
28:49
Speaker 15: wibblewobble at the moment because he's so weak. We've got
28:52
Speaker 15: a prime minister who probably wants to call election but
28:55
Speaker 15: doesn't know if he should. He doesn't know what the
28:57
Speaker 15: Reserve Bank's going to do, Do you have a budget
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Speaker 15: or not?
29:02
Speaker 2: He's sort of he's just racked by indecision.
29:05
Speaker 15: So your guest will be as good as mine anyone
29:08
Speaker 15: who is watching this program, because the Prime Minister is
29:11
Speaker 15: fundamentally a weak person. My bet, if you're going to
29:15
Speaker 15: put a gun to my head, is that they will
29:17
Speaker 15: have a budget because they're going to try and bribe
29:20
Speaker 15: Australians to forget about the cost of living crisis. And
29:24
Speaker 15: we'll have an election sometime in May. But whatever date
29:27
Speaker 15: it is, bring it on because we've got to get
29:29
Speaker 15: rid of them, and we've got to bring in Peter
29:30
Speaker 15: Dutton and we've got to have a strong prime minister
29:32
Speaker 15: who's going to protect our country from a national security perspective,
29:36
Speaker 15: but also to get us back on track.
29:38
Speaker 2: Economically, I'll get out of those bribes in a moment.
29:42
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Rex Airlines. But
29:43
Speaker 2: before we do, this idea from Peter Dutton that he
29:46
Speaker 2: floated this morning that we need to be tougher about
29:49
Speaker 2: who actually gets citizenship in this country. So this nurse
29:53
Speaker 2: was twelve. Family presumably brought the boy to Australia from Afghanistan,
29:59
Speaker 2: and some years later he gets citizenship. It's pretty hard
30:04
Speaker 2: to make it tougher for people to get citizenship in
30:08
Speaker 2: that circumstance, isn't it. How would you know? I mean,
30:11
Speaker 2: if you'd asked this nurse, presumably if he held radical views,
30:15
Speaker 2: he'd probably say no.
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Speaker 15: What Peter said is we should have a conversation about
30:22
Speaker 15: the issue, and we should have a conversation about the
30:26
Speaker 15: processes that allow someone to become a citizen in Australia.
30:31
Speaker 15: We welcome people. We are a country of migrants. We
30:34
Speaker 15: welcome people who come here and share our values and
30:37
Speaker 15: our beliefs, who want their dream to be the Australian dream.
30:42
Speaker 15: And that is a good thing. But we also got
30:44
Speaker 15: to make sure that we have a government who are
30:46
Speaker 15: going to be tough and stand up for those people
30:49
Speaker 15: here and protect them. And what we're seeing at the
30:51
Speaker 15: moment with the weak Prime Minister and what we're seeing
30:54
Speaker 15: with the shifting of the ministers last year in terms
30:58
Speaker 15: of their failure to protec ex Australia is a failure
31:02
Speaker 15: of process and a failure of leadership. Remember Peter Dutton
31:06
Speaker 15: for police officer from Queensland, someone who serve the country's
31:09
Speaker 15: defense minister but also as Immigration Minister, and I served
31:13
Speaker 15: under him as Assistant Immigration Minister. This is someone who
31:17
Speaker 15: deported people who offended Australia or offended in Australia. And
31:22
Speaker 15: that's what Peter is talking about.
31:26
Speaker 2: What about this idea that suddenly the taxpayers of Australia
31:29
Speaker 2: are going to own a regional airline. I mean, I
31:31
Speaker 2: know Queensland lies on a lot of these wrecks roots,
31:34
Speaker 2: some of them not serviced by quantas. Are we really
31:39
Speaker 2: going back to the days where we're going to run planes?
31:45
Speaker 15: Well, the people who I represent are in rural, regional
31:49
Speaker 15: and remote Queensland in particular. I want to make sure
31:52
Speaker 15: they've got planes that are reliable and affordable. But the
31:57
Speaker 15: message this sends is that the government where at the
32:00
Speaker 15: behest of the TWU. Whoever want to take over an airline.
32:04
Speaker 15: I mean, what message does that send to other people
32:07
Speaker 15: who may wish to buy recks and take over those routes.
32:11
Speaker 15: What message does that send to There are forty three
32:14
Speaker 15: other regional airlines in Australia. What message does it seem
32:17
Speaker 15: to them that the government are suddenly going to run
32:20
Speaker 15: an airline courtesy of the taxpayer. This is just dumb
32:24
Speaker 15: economics from a government to have given us a cost
32:27
Speaker 15: of living crisis and like to spend taxpayers money because
32:31
Speaker 15: they know it's not their own.
32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a crazy idea. James McGrath, enjoy your one
32:37
Speaker 2: week break and who knows you might not be back
32:40
Speaker 2: there at all, but we'll find out. Thank you very
32:42
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight after the break. Finally a
32:45
Speaker 2: pri from Melbourne, after what is it seventy one months
32:48
Speaker 2: or something, Pro Palestinian protesters finally agreeing that their protests
32:53
Speaker 2: are now not going to be weekly, but they'll be
32:56
Speaker 2: monthly coming up. David Southwick will join us. Welcome back
33:04
Speaker 2: to Steve Price with you now Pro Palestinian activists. If
33:07
Speaker 2: you don't live in Melbourne, they've been holding weekly protests
33:10
Speaker 2: through the Melbourne CBD. I think it's been pretty bad
33:12
Speaker 2: in Sydney as well, but not as bad as Melbourne.
33:14
Speaker 2: Now they've made an announcement today, I mean seriously, would
33:17
Speaker 2: you take them seriously anyway? They're going to switch to
33:20
Speaker 2: monthly demonstrations after this weekend. Now this week, as I said,
33:25
Speaker 2: would be the seventy first consecutive Sunday rally and their
33:29
Speaker 2: speculation perhaps that dwindling numbers have led to that decision.
33:33
Speaker 2: I tell you who'll be happy? Business people in the
33:36
Speaker 2: CBD joining me now to discuss this and more. Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Jewish MP David Southwick could to see you.
33:42
Speaker 2: Great to be with this, d Finally they've given up,
33:44
Speaker 2: but will at last?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, these protesters have been hijacking the city for
33:50
Speaker 16: seventy one weeks. Many of the small businesses have he said,
33:52
Speaker 16: have been impacted severely. The city has not been the
33:55
Speaker 16: same as it ever has been and the cost of
33:59
Speaker 16: this so I had a briefing the other day that
34:01
Speaker 16: we had some eighteen thousand police shifts that had been.
34:07
Speaker 2: Putting a dollar cost on that.
34:09
Speaker 16: That's eighteen thousand police, which is a whole police force
34:12
Speaker 16: of sixteen thousand, so more than every single one of
34:14
Speaker 16: those you've had trams that have been canceled during the protests.
34:19
Speaker 16: So just the cost to taxpayer of all of that,
34:21
Speaker 16: let alone the economic impact of those businesses. And I'll
34:24
Speaker 16: tell you what, many of our community have not been
34:26
Speaker 16: able to go into the city, the Jewish community. So
34:29
Speaker 16: we hope it holds. But we've already heard some of
34:31
Speaker 16: these protests say if the seafire doesn't hold, they will
34:35
Speaker 16: be back to a weekly protest. And the government actually
34:38
Speaker 16: needs to act sure. We want to be able to
34:40
Speaker 16: give people opportunity protest, but not obstructing people any one
34:43
Speaker 16: weekend businesses and of course week in, week out.
34:46
Speaker 2: So Jasida Allens refused the Victorian premier to adopt the
34:49
Speaker 2: New South Wales model of protests permits that's worked in
34:53
Speaker 2: New South Wales. There was a protest propellers didnting protests
34:57
Speaker 2: up there designed to go past a synagogue and Christopher Men's.
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Speaker 2: The Premier or the police ministrutor said that's not going
35:05
Speaker 2: to happen, So they went another way. Why don't we
35:07
Speaker 2: bring in a permit system here? Well, we need in
35:09
Speaker 2: this friguther of speech arguments rubbish.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, look again, protest in a park, protest on the
35:14
Speaker 16: steps of Parliament, State Library. But when you're through traffic,
35:17
Speaker 16: in the front of businesses, obstructing people's lives, restricting their freedoms.
35:22
Speaker 16: Now we need move on laws as well. And those
35:25
Speaker 16: people that come in week in, week out and break
35:27
Speaker 16: the law, they shouldn't be able to come back into
35:29
Speaker 16: the city. We need strong the laws. And absolutely what
35:33
Speaker 16: we have now is clearly not working.
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Speaker 2: Jewish people has been saying they've been afraid to come
35:36
Speaker 2: into the city at the weekend. Is that real? Is
35:38
Speaker 2: that true? Absolutely? It is, absolutely it is.
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Speaker 16: And the thing is that many of these protesters that
35:43
Speaker 16: are in the streets then hop on the train on
35:45
Speaker 16: the way home and if they identify somebody that's Jewish,
35:48
Speaker 16: they get a mouthful as well. So this is intimidation,
35:51
Speaker 16: it's bullying, it's harassment, it's hate, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Got to stop general anti semitism. I mean, we saw
35:57
Speaker 2: that disgraceful situation in New South Wales two days ago
36:01
Speaker 2: where these two nurses have been caught on social media
36:06
Speaker 2: talking about harming patients in Bankstown Hospital if they were Jewish.
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Speaker 2: It's just beyond anything we've seen. I mean, you've experienced
36:16
Speaker 2: your own synagogue being firebombed. You've experienced rampi d anti
36:20
Speaker 2: semitism in Melbourne. I think it's almost gone to a
36:24
Speaker 2: worse level in Sydney where you've got daycare centers and
36:28
Speaker 2: people's places being dorged with red paint. How'd we get here?
36:33
Speaker 16: I don't know, beyond belief that this kind of thing
36:37
Speaker 16: would ever happen. When you finally think it's got to
36:39
Speaker 16: its lowest level, than we hear about the so called nurses.
36:43
Speaker 16: I mean, really, I can't even call them that.
36:47
Speaker 2: I know.
36:47
Speaker 16: And certainly in the medical profession, many doctors that are
36:50
Speaker 16: Jewish have had to hide their identity because people have
36:54
Speaker 16: said to them that we won't be treated by a Jew. Really,
36:58
Speaker 16: we have had all kinds of of situations where many
37:01
Speaker 16: of our community have been scared and there certainly have
37:05
Speaker 16: good reason now in terms of going into hospitals to
37:07
Speaker 16: be treated in fear that they've found to be Jewish
37:10
Speaker 16: and on records potentially they would be identified as such.
37:13
Speaker 16: Where I think governments across the nation need to ensure
37:19
Speaker 16: that the community are safe in hospitals, in schools in
37:22
Speaker 16: all of these areas and needs more than education, and
37:25
Speaker 16: needs consequences, and needs action and governments have failed.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. We saw what happened straight after October seven, and
37:32
Speaker 2: it should have been nipped in the bud then, but
37:34
Speaker 2: it wasn't, and there was not strong condemnation. I don't
37:37
Speaker 2: believe strong enough condemnation from the Prime Minister. He stood
37:41
Speaker 2: up in question time today and tried to justify what
37:43
Speaker 2: he said at the time, but it wasn't strong enough.
37:45
Speaker 2: The local premier, just cinder Allen's not been strong enough.
37:49
Speaker 2: Is it weakness of political leadership at the top that's
37:52
Speaker 2: allowed this to fester or is there something else going on? Oh?
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, there is the vile hate that people spew. We've
38:02
Speaker 16: had protesters, if you call them that, worse than that.
38:05
Speaker 16: These activists that are talking about wanting to build tunnels
38:09
Speaker 16: like they did in Guards. They hear in Melbourne and
38:11
Speaker 16: outside the American US Embassy on Independence Day and they're
38:16
Speaker 16: still on the streets. You've got all kinds of these
38:21
Speaker 16: activist extremists that are trying to recruit if you're like,
38:26
Speaker 16: and nothing's been happening to them. We hear all kinds
38:29
Speaker 16: of investigations and the police say that they don't have
38:32
Speaker 16: enough powers, and the government says the police need to
38:34
Speaker 16: do more. Everyone's abdicating their responsibility. But at the end
38:37
Speaker 16: of the day, governments need to lead the government's lockdown
38:40
Speaker 16: Victoria and the longest longest lockdowns anywhere, and told police
38:46
Speaker 16: what needed to happen when they believed that Victorians were
38:49
Speaker 16: at risk. Well, now we have a Jewish community that
38:52
Speaker 16: are at risk. Where's the leadership, where's the laws and
38:56
Speaker 16: where's the action.
38:58
Speaker 2: Do you have confidence that have peeded upward in an
39:00
Speaker 2: election that he would be stronger.
39:03
Speaker 16: There is no question Peter Dutton is doing what he's
39:07
Speaker 16: doing because it's conviction. It's not votes what to Cinda Allen,
39:12
Speaker 16: Anthony Albanesi and the rest of the Labor Party are
39:15
Speaker 16: doing it. It's all vote getting looking at parts of
39:18
Speaker 16: Sydney where they can recruit votes and build votes win seats.
39:22
Speaker 16: But I think most Victorians see through that, and most
39:26
Speaker 16: Victorians living in regional Australia and wherever it is, they
39:29
Speaker 16: just say that this is un Australian what's happening right now?
39:32
Speaker 16: And I think ultimately these guys will be found out.
39:36
Speaker 16: Albanese will be found out and so will just Cinder Ellen.
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Speaker 2: You're a high profile Jewish politician and you've kept your
39:43
Speaker 2: profile high deliberately because you feel strongly that you need
39:46
Speaker 2: to speak out and defend your community. Do you feel
39:49
Speaker 2: frightened at times?
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Speaker 16: No, and well because I don't let it get to me.
39:55
Speaker 16: I know it's there, but it makes me fight harder.
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Speaker 16: And you talk about the synagogue that was firebombed, talking
40:03
Speaker 16: to many of those from that synagogue, their response they
40:07
Speaker 16: could go and hide in a shell. Their response is
40:10
Speaker 16: they going to build a bigger synagogue, a better synagogue,
40:14
Speaker 16: and embrace war community, both both the Jewish community and
40:18
Speaker 16: outside the community, because they won't let hate win. And
40:21
Speaker 16: that's where we need to be. We need to fight
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Speaker 16: these buggers. We can't let them win. And that's why
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Speaker 16: each and every day I wake up positive with my
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Speaker 16: job that we will overcome these haters and we have
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Speaker 16: to not just for the Jewish community, but for all Australians.
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Speaker 2: We should point out Sky Thursday Night next week with
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Speaker 2: Sherry Markson's got a seminar on anti Semitism, which I
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Speaker 2: think is yeah, absolutely, I saw that. Great to see
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Speaker 2: you again, great to see them again. Coming up after
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Speaker 2: the break, Donald Trump accuses judges of being political amid
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Speaker 2: growing legal opposition for his efforts to crack down on
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Speaker 2: government waste. Plus, as the Gaza cease fire is still
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Speaker 2: hanging in the balance, Israel reveals that can distance which
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Speaker 2: will ensure it holds. Welcome back to Steve Price, with
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Speaker 2: you panel time now Skette News contributed Kosher Gada and
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Speaker 2: the past chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby. Great to see you both again, President Trump.
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Speaker 2: I mean a day doesn't go past where he doesn't
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Speaker 2: surprise and shock. We're all just in awe of how
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Speaker 2: much he's doing as quickly as he is doing it now.
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Speaker 2: He's come out today sitting there in the Oval Office
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Speaker 2: claiming negotiations to end the war in Ukraine will kick off.
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Speaker 2: Quote immediately he had a phone call with Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 2: has said to have gone something over an hour. Kosher,
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to the political implications of those negotiations in
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Speaker 2: the US. Would the people who voted for Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: be happy that he's pushing this as quickly as he is?
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Speaker 2: Very much so?
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Speaker 17: Where to be with is Steve So The American people
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Speaker 17: have long actually been very tired of the way the
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Speaker 17: previous administration was involving the United States in this war.
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Speaker 17: It does not mean that they condone the actions of
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Speaker 17: an aggressive state or Vladimir Putin's actions against the sovereign nation,
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Speaker 17: but it does mean that they do not want the
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Speaker 17: US to be mired more and more into a war
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Speaker 17: in which millions of people are dying, billions of dollars
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Speaker 17: are being spent, and there's no end in sight. And
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Speaker 17: they just never felt that the previous administration was showing
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Speaker 17: any effectiveness to do anything, even an imperfect deal. So
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Speaker 17: to your point of Trump just coming out swinging, and
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Speaker 17: there's so much action action, action, it is very popular
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Speaker 17: the attempt to have some sort of negotiation here to
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Speaker 17: end this war, whatever that may look like, and people
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Speaker 17: trust that he is somebody willing and able to do that,
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Speaker 17: and his approval ratings are the highest they've ever been.
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Speaker 17: This is what he campaigned on. So the time is
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Speaker 17: now and strike while the iron's hot.
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Speaker 2: Marca. We had Malcolm Divis from Espie on the program
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Speaker 2: a little earlier, and he was trying to prosecute the
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Speaker 2: case that if don't Trump, lets Putin hang on to
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Speaker 2: any Ukraine territory and convinces or tries to convince Zelensky
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Speaker 2: that he's not going to be a member of NATO,
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Speaker 2: that that would give more power to Putin to reboot
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Speaker 2: his forces and come back a year later. What do
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Speaker 2: you make of that side?
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Speaker 1: I saw Malcolm's interviewer. I think he's a little bit pessimistic.
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Speaker 1: Depends on the US security guarantee given instead of NATO membership.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why Sweden and Finland join NATO so
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Speaker 1: they won't be invaded by Russia, two previously neutral states.
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Speaker 1: So that you can understand why NATO membership for Ukrainians
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Speaker 1: who have been invaded and have had this city's bombed
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Speaker 1: every night might be valuable.
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Speaker 14: Depends on what the Donald does with the guarantee.
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Speaker 1: And as for giving up land, well, Vladimir Putin's ruined
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Speaker 1: nearly all of that Russian speaking land in the donbas If.
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Speaker 14: I was a Lenski, I'd let him have it.
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Speaker 1: The key question is will they swap land they've got
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Speaker 1: land round cursed in Russia the Ukrainians for the areas
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Speaker 1: around the Azov Sea, which would enable Ukraine to resume
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Speaker 1: its coast and its trade.
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Speaker 2: Kosher. President Trump said that all the hostages not released
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Speaker 2: by mid day on Saturday, then quote, all hell will
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Speaker 2: break loose. What do we think that might entail.
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Speaker 17: You know, that's classic Trump where he'll put out sort
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Speaker 17: of broad brush statements. However, people you know, maybe if
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Speaker 17: they don't take him literally, they should take him seriously.
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Speaker 2: Often it's been in the reverse.
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Speaker 17: I don't think it's going to suggest anything, you know,
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Speaker 17: massively kinetic in that region. But he's basically flexing. And
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Speaker 17: I do think that TAMAS is on their back foot
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Speaker 17: or they certainly believe that there is some bite behind
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Speaker 17: that bark from Trump, and I would expect to see
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Speaker 17: some sort of show of the hostage exchange happen because
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Speaker 17: otherwise there are a whole range of options, and as
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Speaker 17: Trump has said, anything is on the table.
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Speaker 2: The President's also made it pretty clear he's not happy
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Speaker 2: with the US court system. Have a look at what
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Speaker 2: he's had to say about some of the judges.
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Speaker 18: It seems hard to believe that judges want to try
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Speaker 18: and stop us from looking for corruption, especially when we
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Speaker 18: found hundreds of millions of dollars worth much more than
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Speaker 18: that in just a short period of time. We want
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Speaker 18: to weed out the corruption, and it seems hard to
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Speaker 18: believe that a judge could say.
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Speaker 2: We don't want you to do that. Michael Danby. If
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Speaker 2: only we could have someone in this country who decided
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Speaker 2: to go through and find out where money was being wasted,
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Speaker 2: how good would that be?
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Speaker 14: It would be true, tremendous idea, I hope.
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Speaker 2: See although most.
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Speaker 1: People, as Kosher said, support this in the United States
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Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly popular for cutting back the bureaucracy, that we
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Speaker 1: don't sacrifice the good along with the bad. There's a
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Speaker 1: program with their overseas aid budget to help people with
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Speaker 1: AIDS in Africa up that should be preserved and all
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Speaker 1: of the bad stuff can be diced by you on
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Speaker 1: Musk as much as he said, well, they just to
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Speaker 1: come back to Hamas, I think if they don't release
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Speaker 1: those three on the weekend, the Donald will unleash the
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Speaker 1: Israelis and he may unleash himself and I would I
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Speaker 1: think their sponsors in Iran would start to feel very
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Speaker 1: nervous if Hamas is so crazy that they don't release
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Speaker 1: those three that are due on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that comment all hell will break loose.
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Speaker 2: I mean that is a loose statement, isn't it, Kosher.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's unlikely to send US troops in there, because,
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Speaker 2: as you said, his supporters, the people who voted for
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Speaker 2: him want America not to be the global policeman and
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Speaker 2: want them out of those conflicts.
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Speaker 17: Yes, he's got a whole range of tools. There's foreign
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Speaker 17: ade that either directly or indirectly launders through and ends
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Speaker 17: up in their hands. There's all these lobbying money from
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Speaker 17: Qatara coming in where a lot of Hamas leadership lives
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Speaker 17: very happily, and we certainly have eyes on that. So
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Speaker 17: there's all sorts of economic levers, there's diplomatic leavers, there's
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Speaker 17: other pressure, there's other negotiations. So he is definitely the
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Speaker 17: consummate deal maker, I think, as the whole world knows,
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Speaker 17: and I think he would pursue any one of those
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Speaker 17: tactics before getting into something more militaristic in nature. But again,
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Speaker 17: he will love to say that all that's are on
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Speaker 17: the table, all options are on the table, and I
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Speaker 17: do believe that they will expect that.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of the start there in camera
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Speaker 2: Makla mean, do you think that Parliament's up and gone
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Speaker 2: and that we won't have now another sitting, that the
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Speaker 2: election diet's probably going to come pretty quickly.
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Speaker 14: I still think it's cypuled the twelfth safety.
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Speaker 1: I think an election is going to come pretty quickly,
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Speaker 1: but Jim Chalmers will be pretty mad that he doesn't
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Speaker 1: get to do a budget if it's that early. I
47:53
Speaker 1: think the government is in real trouble and so is
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Speaker 1: the Great Political Party. Given this the stide election results
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Speaker 1: here in Victory, that's the third time the Greens have
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Speaker 1: been nearly knocked out and I'd be hoping that they'd
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Speaker 1: lose their three representations of three seats that they've got
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Speaker 1: in Brisbane at the next election. And Adam Banch most
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Speaker 1: people don't understand this. Steve, a large part of Paran
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Speaker 1: that slung so heavily against the Greens is in his
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Speaker 1: newly rested seat of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Michael Danbi Kosher Gata great to have
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Speaker 2: you with us, Thank you very much. That's it for tonight.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I'll be back tomorrow night at the
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Speaker 2: normal time. There's going to be a vote of confidence
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Speaker 2: in the Victorian Police Commissioner Shane Patten. Now that result
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Speaker 2: will come out at four o'clock tomorrow. Will have those details.
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Speaker 2: Andrew's up next