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Sports Betting Mailbag Part 1 · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman, in chief Content officer of the
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  Speaker 1: Action Network. I am joined as I am every single
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  Speaker 1: podcast by my bff, my companion, my compadre, professional better
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  Speaker 1: world traveler, broadcasting from the balcony of his luxury hotel
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  Speaker 1: in Mexico for god knows how many weeks in a row. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Simon Hunter, it's going to be back. I actually want
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  Speaker 1: the Belize for a couple of days, so I'm finally
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  Speaker 1: back at my hotel where I can trust the WiFi.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to do a live show from the beach,
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  Speaker 1: failed miserably. There was a mariachi band. Chad was kind
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  Speaker 1: of mad at me for the first time in three years.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm back up on the balcony with even prettier view.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you went to Belieze. What when did
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  Speaker 1: that happen? Because last time we spoke last week, you
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  Speaker 1: had been to Cuba. There was someone who was in Cuba,
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  Speaker 1: Cuban native, very big fan of Chad Melman gone to
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  Speaker 1: the effort to get black market books written by Chad Melman.
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  Speaker 1: Then you were in Mexico. Now you went to Belieze
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  Speaker 1: and you've come back. I've never been to Believes. I've
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  Speaker 1: heard of the word believes, but I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: the hell of it meant or where it was. So
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  Speaker 1: apparently it's right below the uptan of Mexico. I got
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  Speaker 1: another pro here who is local, just like crazy in
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  Speaker 1: the sense that he gambles, like you know, like how
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  Speaker 1: stuck he is, how he can gamble on anything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: stucky sort of the one name Phenomenon, who is the
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  Speaker 1: heart and soul of the Action Network. Yes, so again,
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  Speaker 1: the minute I meet this guy, he comes to my hotel,
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  Speaker 1: we're walking up to the pool. He goes, I bet
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  Speaker 1: you I can get the closer to the number how
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  Speaker 1: many people in this pool? I got which one to bet?
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  Speaker 1: He goes a thousand pastos, like all right, and of
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  Speaker 1: course I nailed it. I went with eleven because I've
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  Speaker 1: been here so I know the pool was cold, so
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  Speaker 1: most people just go in the ocean. Because he went
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  Speaker 1: with like thirty and there was like ten people in there.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go. Inside information. But yeah. He basically
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  Speaker 1: he's from Plia, which right across like I took a
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  Speaker 1: ferry over to his place, and he's exactly what you
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  Speaker 1: would think of a millionaire would be in Mexico. He's
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  Speaker 1: got like a villa on the coast, made there seven
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  Speaker 1: right on the beach, beautiful cars. We took one of
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  Speaker 1: his cars on the Belize took one second getting into
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  Speaker 1: Belize and then five hours getting back into Mexico because
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  Speaker 1: they were like, let's go up with this gringo and
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  Speaker 1: this Mexicano guy in a nice like lambeau driving through
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  Speaker 1: Belize to Mexico. But I can't get over how beautiful
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  Speaker 1: this whole area is, Like it's paradise. It's been a
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  Speaker 1: crazy trip. But because I'm like missing America a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know how much learm keep going because
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  Speaker 1: I missed Chick fil A. There's a lot to unpack here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I will tell I mean, if we want
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  Speaker 1: a crazy story, I went on a little trip to
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  Speaker 1: go swim with whale sharks. One of the craziest things
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  Speaker 1: I ever experienced because they're so big, but they move
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  Speaker 1: like like a floating ghost. I'm gonna describe it and
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  Speaker 1: they're like you can touch them and swim with them,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, that was broy the coolest part
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  Speaker 1: of this trip. How do mel in Mexico people get
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  Speaker 1: on down here? It's pretty sweet. So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this is a great transition into what we want this
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  Speaker 1: podcast to be about and what we want the Thursday
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  Speaker 1: podcast to be about, because we get so many questions
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  Speaker 1: sent to us by listeners and we love it. We
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  Speaker 1: as we say feedback as a gift. We love the
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  Speaker 1: reviews and the ratings in Spotify and Apple, but we
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  Speaker 1: also love interacting with our listeners on Twitter and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times here in the football seas it's just
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  Speaker 1: hard to answer all the questions, especially questions that are
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  Speaker 1: really detailed, and often questions lead to more questions, and
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to sort of unpack all of that in
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  Speaker 1: a sort of d M exchange on Twitter. So what
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to do for the next two episodes is
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  Speaker 1: answer as many of the sort of more frequent questions
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  Speaker 1: as we can that we would get throughout football season
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  Speaker 1: and that we've been getting since football season ended. Matt Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: producer Extraordinaire, put out an all call for people to
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  Speaker 1: send us questions. We are super excited to go through
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  Speaker 1: the list of everything you've discussed, everything you've asked, to
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  Speaker 1: be able to answer as many of those as possible.
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  Speaker 1: In this special two parter, we're going to cover everything
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  Speaker 1: from Simon's background, how a guy goes from doing what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing to now vacationing for months on end
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  Speaker 1: in Cosmel, Mexico, to the books we recommend, how to
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  Speaker 1: create smart habits, how to avoid bad habits, some great
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  Speaker 1: stories about the biggest bets we've ever had, the worst
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  Speaker 1: beats we've ever had, moments that have turned our stomach.
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  Speaker 1: All of that we're gonna talk about it in the
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  Speaker 1: next two episodes. So first off, Simon, it's funny because
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  Speaker 1: you know you've been a part of the Action Network
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  Speaker 1: lore for this is the third season, and look, the
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  Speaker 1: audience for our podcast has doubled from what it was
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  Speaker 1: in September through what ended in January, and that was
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  Speaker 1: eight x what it was when we weren't part of
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  Speaker 1: the volume. So a lot of people don't know the
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  Speaker 1: history here. They don't know the sort of creation story
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  Speaker 1: of Simon Hunter. How the fund did you end up
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast? We talked a lot about you being
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  Speaker 1: from England, explain that and when you when you came
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  Speaker 1: to the US. Well, I was actually born in the
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  Speaker 1: Port of Miami, so my dad is American, my mom
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  Speaker 1: is from England, and basically my dad met my mom
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  Speaker 1: or anning on when he was playing rugby. So I
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  Speaker 1: think it was one of those deals where like we
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  Speaker 1: just didn't have money. I don't really know the whole deal,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe my mom just missed England, but we're just
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  Speaker 1: back a fourth a lot. We moved to, like up
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  Speaker 1: to New Jersey like mid nineties, and my home where
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  Speaker 1: my family lives, like where I'm from in England's Burnley,
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  Speaker 1: which is like it's like forty five minutes north of Manchester,
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  Speaker 1: which any British person would know, so it's it's north.
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  Speaker 1: Burnley is as blue collar as you can get. It's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely miserable weather, but it's like the best people. It's
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  Speaker 1: very funny, hard working and if you're an American, like
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  Speaker 1: if you talk with an American accent, you might as
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  Speaker 1: well be Brad Pitt in Burnley because everyone there, once
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  Speaker 1: they realize you're not Australian, they realize you're American, they
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  Speaker 1: go crazy because no American would ever go to Burnley.
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  Speaker 1: So our biggest claim to fame is we're in the
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  Speaker 1: Premier League. Like we were, we made it up to
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  Speaker 1: the top level. So but where I'm from on the
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  Speaker 1: map because no, no American unless they watch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Premier League. No it is Burnley. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: name people know. So we moved here before nine eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I knew American football. I didn't really get it until
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  Speaker 1: I played it. I do see it as an advantage,
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  Speaker 1: Like I know it doesn't matter if you play a sport,
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  Speaker 1: but learning about how much of sport mentally football is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people understand enough. Everyone's really good athletes,
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  Speaker 1: Like every single person on the field are the best
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  Speaker 1: athletes in the world. It's the A three, the guy
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  Speaker 1: who's the smartest football player ever. That's the difference. I
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  Speaker 1: played until end of high school and I went to
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  Speaker 1: college and I basically got a summer job where I
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be putting volleyball nuts in and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to drink like any kid would that's
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  Speaker 1: under twenty one. And a girl told me her family
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  Speaker 1: was having a party down the beach, so I go there.
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  Speaker 1: I meet this guy. He's talking to me about some
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  Speaker 1: show called Shore. Party gives me like an address. I
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  Speaker 1: go there the next morning. It was this old rink
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  Speaker 1: key hotel motel in Seaside Park. I get in there
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  Speaker 1: and there's like camera equipment and stuff flying back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought it was like a porno set. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what the hell have I signed up for?
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  Speaker 1: I still up this form and this woman said, telling
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  Speaker 1: me what I'm doing again, I'm nineteen at this point.
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  Speaker 1: It turned out that was the first season of Jersey Shore.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that show might have had at the employees.
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  Speaker 1: And then MTV bought the rights and I'll never forget that.
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  Speaker 1: I was back at school. I told this girl about it.
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  Speaker 1: She was a sorority. See. I told her on Monday morning,
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  Speaker 1: like just casually told her the show was gonna air
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday on MTV. Her sorority. She said, they could
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  Speaker 1: not stop talking about that show. So that was like,
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  Speaker 1: again you meet the right person, you capause the situation.
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  Speaker 1: And then I got an email and I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you want to come to Miami for the next season.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm about it. So again the production
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  Speaker 1: companies called four nine five Production. That was like a
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing. Where it was like, you know, I was
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  Speaker 1: nineteen and I was gonna be going to Miami to
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  Speaker 1: do a TV show. So I basically did that for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years, and then Polid got a spinoff show.
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  Speaker 1: He's a character from the show that was in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: Go out to Las Vegas. Hold on, let me cut
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  Speaker 1: you off for a second. You came up from college,
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  Speaker 1: dropped no, no, dropped up to do the show, go
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  Speaker 1: to Miami. But I remember thinking I can come back
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  Speaker 1: and finish this, like whenever it is, like, I might
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  Speaker 1: as well go check this out see if I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Which it's funny looking back, I hated it because it's
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  Speaker 1: reality TVs. Twelve hours a day, seven days a week.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, usually get one day off, but it's like
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  Speaker 1: literally do a twelve and a half hour shift and
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  Speaker 1: the next group comes in and they do a twelve hours.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's reality TV. It's seven So being young,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to have fun. I mean I just
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  Speaker 1: remember like not feeling like cool as ship but like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I work on that show, kind of feel like anyone
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  Speaker 1: would like. I was just really proud and like it
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  Speaker 1: was a good feeling. Now Flashboard when I'm in Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: I was burned out. I was sick of TV. I
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  Speaker 1: was sick of the hours. I had a bunch of money,
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  Speaker 1: but I wasn't doing anything with it because I was
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  Speaker 1: just working all the time and all my friends were
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  Speaker 1: graduating college at this point, you know, social media is
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  Speaker 1: everyone's like, You're like, what have I done? Like I
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  Speaker 1: should have just been partying and having fun with like
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  Speaker 1: people in my age. Instead I'm working with like a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of ex convicts and like crazy people and the
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  Speaker 1: reality TV world. But at that point, I had worked
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  Speaker 1: my wa up, so I was feeling pretty good. And
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  Speaker 1: I've met a man named Robert who everyone calls Big Bob.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Chad my media mentor Bob is my sports
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  Speaker 1: family mentor. When I met him, I'll never forget to
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  Speaker 1: where sitting at this crow. It was just really fun
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  Speaker 1: when you brought up the sports bet and he goes,
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  Speaker 1: you do it, and I go, yeah, but I lose.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever I win, I lose eventually, Like even if I
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  Speaker 1: had want two bucks on I bet, I'm losing it
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  Speaker 1: the next day. Um, because I've been betting probably since
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  Speaker 1: like I was fifteen sixteen, with like you know, illegal
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  Speaker 1: sports books in Jersey, like whatever you're doing books that
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  Speaker 1: with people that you have to give your drivers like
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  Speaker 1: before you can make a bet. So it's definitely a
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  Speaker 1: little scary as like a young kid doing that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Like when I met him, it took probably another month
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  Speaker 1: of me getting to know him for him to really
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  Speaker 1: like I want to bring me in and kind of
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  Speaker 1: bring me into the world of sports betting, like to
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  Speaker 1: be our runner. And he basically showed me just how
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  Speaker 1: to build a model. And his was different, I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that much. Where it's like his is algebra. I
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  Speaker 1: do calculus for my not like it's just like his
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  Speaker 1: was very basic. He basically goes off of a lot
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  Speaker 1: of word of mouth and he's just an old school guy,
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  Speaker 1: like he does college football. It's just very different. I
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  Speaker 1: was never into college football. I was with the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: and he asked me about what's what I want to do,
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  Speaker 1: and I said NFL. So he hit me with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of a little weird test like when I always
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  Speaker 1: tell people, which is like to me, it was just
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  Speaker 1: a very smart test by him because at this point
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  Speaker 1: I was like twenty three and a half, two and
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  Speaker 1: a half, Like, I was just very like young and dumb,
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  Speaker 1: and he sent me out with his girl to try
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  Speaker 1: to get her to sleep with me, to see my loyalty,
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  Speaker 1: like see how loyal I was. And this was like
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  Speaker 1: early days. I probably been running for him for like
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  Speaker 1: a month. I'm super loyal, and I'm also like, this
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  Speaker 1: is like a six year old man's girlfriend. I was
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  Speaker 1: like in my twenties and like, I'm not into this late.
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  Speaker 1: Like she was good looking too, but it was just
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  Speaker 1: a weird, weird thing for me. So basically, once I
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  Speaker 1: passed that, he kind of really stepped it up and
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  Speaker 1: like he started giving me big bets, like big money,
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  Speaker 1: and that's like that's when I started making money because again,
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  Speaker 1: like every bed I would make. That's why I try
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  Speaker 1: to tell people like and we'll talk about it later.
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  Speaker 1: People want to get into this life. I've had zero
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  Speaker 1: dollars in my bank account. I don't even know man
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  Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen times, and I'm talking like swings of a
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  Speaker 1: hundred k, like going up a hundred k, losing it all.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to get into this, you need to
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  Speaker 1: be with a group or just support system. Because I
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  Speaker 1: kept getting back by running like I'd run guys bets
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  Speaker 1: they'd hit, they'd break me off the cut once I
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  Speaker 1: get the bank, but I can start betting their bets
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  Speaker 1: again to get my bankbolled back because they'll in a
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  Speaker 1: model again. We'll talk about all this. It's the hardest part.
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  Speaker 1: Like it took me years to make the model right
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  Speaker 1: where it could hit like these big dogs, like we
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  Speaker 1: talked about all the time, these money lines and really
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  Speaker 1: show me when there's five, four or three points of
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  Speaker 1: line value. Like once you get the model right, it's
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  Speaker 1: I mean people saw it like we've we've had three seasons,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't gone below and we've had really good runs
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs and and super Bowls, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: that's what the model is all about. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: just keep getting information. So like again super Bowl, why
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  Speaker 1: it's so good at it? There's more information than the
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  Speaker 1: time I have I can put into one game. It's
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  Speaker 1: such an advantage. So I know it's a long wait
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  Speaker 1: answer to it. It's a lot to unpack. So you're
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  Speaker 1: in Vegas, you're rolling at a table, you meet Bob,
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  Speaker 1: you start talking sports betting. Not really, it was more
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  Speaker 1: like he was really into the whole TV thing because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get why the hell I hated it. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: sounds cool a ship, Like you're young, you're traveling all around,
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  Speaker 1: you're living for free. I just told him it's cool.
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  Speaker 1: But after four, like three and a half years, it's like, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: I just like I don't want to be doing this.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's that's when he brought up the whole
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  Speaker 1: runner thing, and so you go to be a runner
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  Speaker 1: for him. You are running for him having these wild swings.
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  Speaker 1: How long did it take you to develop a model
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  Speaker 1: that made you feel good about your numbers? And Bob
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  Speaker 1: invested confidence in you that you knew what you were doing?
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  Speaker 1: Is it better? Basically, there was this other pro It
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  Speaker 1: was the NFL guy, and he pretty much been doing
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  Speaker 1: it for fifteen years. So that was gonna be one
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  Speaker 1: of those things where I was gonna be a runner
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  Speaker 1: for Bob and this guy, and I'd eventually moved on
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  Speaker 1: to a different syndicate because I just wanted to eventually
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  Speaker 1: to run my own numbers and b a guy up
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  Speaker 1: top and have people below me. So I got lucky
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  Speaker 1: where this guy started selling picks, which is like a
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  Speaker 1: big no no. And what I do, like, if you
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  Speaker 1: have paying customers, you can't be selling picks to other
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  Speaker 1: people and and just going underneath what your group has
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  Speaker 1: set up for you just because you want to make
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  Speaker 1: extra money on aside and do things like that. That's
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  Speaker 1: why I like Jack. You tell your early days. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know if I could do this show. People
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  Speaker 1: would be shocked at how much paperwork there are with
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  Speaker 1: sports betting, but you pretty much signed your life with
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  Speaker 1: non disclosures. I mean, it's a really tricky thing to
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  Speaker 1: be because people just want to be anonymous. Pros just
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  Speaker 1: want to be anonymous. That's the biggest thing. It's like
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  Speaker 1: people don't get it because I don't want to dash
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  Speaker 1: sports books here because we have sponsorships, and I mean
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: we both work for a media company and actually networked
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: at that stuff with sports books, but we're not friends.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: I'm of professional sports better. They are sports books that
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: will leave it at that. So it is tricky you
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: answer the question, I would say it was the Carolina
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Denver super Bowl. Keep peytmon, and I mean, people are
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: gonna remember you just had like eat a noodle eating
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: look at that arm. So at that point I was
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I've been losing I'll be honest, and I kind of
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: had a really good run. The second half again, kept grinding,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: kept tweaking the system. That's why I like people that
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: want to get into this. I'm living a good life.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: This is a great view. They didn't see me putting
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: in a hundred hour weeks. So basically that carolinat Denver one,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I had a decent amount of money on it, Like
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I finally got a six figure bank roll of my
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: own money. No one else has no loan out my
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: own money. Got a big hit with Bob like he
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: was about it. And the guy who was giving out
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: the other the other pro that worked for our group,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: he hit it to like no worries. But I think
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Bob was more like, Okay, I can get rid of
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: this guy. But he just left that area and did
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: whatever in life. And I was able to step into
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a job that those guys don't get until they're like forty.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I'm with an established syndicate. Like a lot of these
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: pros you would never believe because they're just the regular people.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: But they've been doing this stuff for twenty thirty years.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: And there's a couple of us young guys in here,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: but a lot of them are runners for eight years.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And I was able to just in two and a half,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I mean two years, turned from a runner into an
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: actual betting pro. And then I would say I really
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: hit my stride that Eagles run, like I'm an egospan.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: You could be like, oh, you're just betting with your heart,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: but it was more just that I kept getting good
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: value in that line and I kept betting big on it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Um again, We'll talk later about our biggest bet. That's
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: probably mine, but um, I would say that was really
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: when Bob was like, all right, you can go do
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell you want. Like he left, I moved
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: back from biggest back to Jersey and like what was
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: they legalized the chat you know the exact um number.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So it's again my life. I will talk about people
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: want to how to get into this. It's like you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: have to really work hard. I know it sounds cool,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: but like even this year, me Chad we went on
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a little we went on a bat rock that was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: mainly on me. I just was not like my head
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: just wasn't in it. I was putting in I mean
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: ninety hours easily in a week, phone calls, online, like
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I was sleeping maybe four hours a night, three hours
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: a night, and then just work, just grinding, and eventually
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it's snap and I got it right and I got
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: my numbers back to where they should be, and it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: was like, that's that's why you This is why I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: love this job. It's like it's very result oriented. Every
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: every weekend, I get my results back from my test
• 18:01
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• 18:03
  Speaker 1: want to bash people in the media, but it pisses
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: me off. And some people think they can roll out
• 18:06
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• 18:09
  Speaker 1: like I work so f and hard on just one sport,
• 18:13
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• 18:17
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• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned, um, the Eagles run that was the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: playoffs of two thousand and eighteen was actually the year
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that the month that actual network launched, And just to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: close the circle so people can understand, I think it
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: was heading into the football season of two thousand nineteen,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you would DM me on Twitter and said, hey, you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: want to connect and the professional sports. Better than trying
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to engage like we do, try to DM and respond
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to as many people as we possibly can. You reached
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: out to me, I responded, we spoke. It was easy
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: to tell in ten minutes. You just had a great character.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: There was warmth you. I liked your accent, like you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: just sounded like a dude wh would be good to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: get stories from. Right, So you started coming on the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: podcast for like ten minutes, and then all of a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: sudden you're the coast of the podcast, in the superstar
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: of the show, and now nobody even wants to ask
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: me a question about my story career, which is so
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: much more impressive than yours. But no one gives a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: fun So whatever. Chad Milman is proud of himself. You know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it is on the new toy. Eventually, Chad, they build
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you up to tear you down. So that's what I'm
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: excited for that future and everyone just eventually hates me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: When you're great, they hate. Yeah, you mentioned go back
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to the Eagles, right, You mentioned the value on the
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Eagles during that playoff runt. I remember when the Eagles
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: opened as five point dogs against the Patriots or whatever,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: it was six and a half. All the money was
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: coming in on the Eagles. Every bookmaker was saying, wise,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: guys love the Eagles. Wise guys, love the Eagles. We
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: all made a killing on it because everybody was betting
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Eagles moneyline. Everybody's betting the Eagles dogs. When you think
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: about the largest this is another question from fans, the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: largest sports betting wager you've ever made? What's yours? I'll
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: tell people mine. Yeah, it was that that Patriots Eagles
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: super Bowl. I mean, but again it's kind of skewed
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: because technically it was this this past super Bowl. But
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it's different because my bank rolls so much bigger now,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: like Chad's finally giving me a fair amount of money
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for this job, and like from clients, and just years
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and years and years of betting, like I have so
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: much money where that Eagles run, I had money, But
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: literally what I did was I took half my money.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: So say I was up you know at the time,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of money for me to semi five k,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: which was the time, a ton of money for me.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I pretty much took half of it and I put
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it on the Eagles, I think against Atlanta we were
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you were three or three and a half. So I
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: put like sevent of it on that. And then on
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: money line it is literally took the exact same money
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: went to like three other casinos, Like left that casino
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: with the three of the casinos put it up, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: it did the exact same thing like on the Eagles
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: another So again I'm not taking any money back. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: just rolled it over. At this point, it hits obviously
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: against the Vikings at home another home Dog, and like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you just said, it when't at some books they opened
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: six and a half six. I bet as much as
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I could, and then they brought it back down. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: believe four and a half. I bet as much as
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I could. Again, so this is I did not bet
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the money line for the Super Bowl. I only did
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: bet spread. Again. I went all in, like I knew
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: if I won this bet, I could move back to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. That was my whole kind of mentality with it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So that was the first time really too where like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: clients had actually reached out to me, and people were
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: just fired up because it was like, you know, not
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that I was some young punk kid, but like not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that they didn't trust me or like me. They were
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: just like, um, you know, looking at me, slaying it
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. They're like they kind of thought
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Bob was just like too much of seeing himself and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: me and giving me a job I did deserve at
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the time, which I agree with them. I did not
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: deserve a job that was good at the time. But luckily,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: again it's a result business, and I kept getting in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the right results and I drove a chat. I literally
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: have not, like I'm so do. I hate saying it
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: every time, but I have not lost Super Bowl since
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I've become a professional. I've hit every Super Bowl spread
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: since I've been a professional. So it's like I obviously
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I'm lucky, but it's like time, skill, work, ethics. So
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: for the Eagles one that run, it was amazing because
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I was my favorite team, but it was also one
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: of those that Vegas they just kept hanging in shitty
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: lines like that Patriots. I made that Patriots minus three.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I thought the Patriots, we're gonna win, So I just
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: kept taking the spread number. You know, little did I
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: know the Eagles We're gonna win by eight points. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: but I would love to hear Chad the biggest bet. Well,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you didn't give me a number. You said it was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: your biggest bet, but you didn't give me a number.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Give me a range high five figures, low, six figures. No, no,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know when the dust settled like that. Yeah, dude,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I kept rolling it over because
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: again I was in my late twenties at the time.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It was. It was a wild feeling, especially just knowing
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I could come back to New Jersey and that was
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that was probably the best feeling. Mine was not definitely
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like very low four figures, a couple grand and it
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't even that strategic. It was totally by accident in
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that it was also one of the first. It was
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the first March that Action Network existed. We were in Vegas,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: we were at the West Gate. They were just figuring
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: out how to do like in game or like betting
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: through their app, and so you had to like go
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: deposit cash at the cage and then once you had
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: done that, you could log into the app and it
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was deposited into your account and you could bet in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the app. So I deposited money in the cage, and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: then I wanted to bet on Loyola against Miami and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in the first round, and I put a few hundred
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: down and on Loyola. The bet didn't register. It just
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: kept spinning. So I logged out, did it again, it
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: kept spinning, logged out, did it again, It kept spinning.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden I had a substantial amount,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: like you know, two or three grand on it. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: then there was a loudspeaker announcement if you're trying to
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: bet in the app and it spins but doesn't register,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: don't worry, your bet has been ticketed. I'm like, well, funck,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: now I'm invested three time three x what I want
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it to be on that game. And the line was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: too long at the cage to go avoid it, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: so I just let it ride. And if everybody remembers,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Miami and Loyal end up winning that game because Miami
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: like had a flukish play at the end and an
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: out of bounce play. So I ended up winning the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: bat And like the rest of the weekend was gravy.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: It was like I'm that umbc against Virginia sixteen and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: a one, and uh it was. It was a beautiful,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: beautiful weekend. Couldn't have had more fun again, not four
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: grand I will tell you my worst loss came this year, Simon,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this year, and it was a game you and I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: believed in so hard. San Diego Kansas City, uh No,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Thursday Night, right. I remember being a stand alone just
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: because it made it that much worse. It was a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: stand alone and we loved I'm not San Diego. We
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: loved l A Chargers, and we went all in on
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: him again on the spread. I loved him so much
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: that when they were down early at like two and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a half, when they were losing, when they were losing,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say because I remember the line got
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: up to like seven at one point when they were
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: down to the Chiefs but yeah, that's because I started
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: getting nervous because as the game went on, it became
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: less and less apparent. Right they were making all these
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: calls where Brandon Staley was like, it didn't matter what
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it was, he was going forward on fourth down and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter how close to the goal line they
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: were going for it. And of course they ended up
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: losing that game and not covering, and it was heartbreaking.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I mean the worst part of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the Npro is Chad story right there. I can tell
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you every bad boss I've ever had, I can't. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: can maybe only tell you about ten great wins. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: think that's like a human survivor instinct where it's like
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you just you remember the bad ones, not really good ones.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: But that was probably one of my worst beat last
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: year just because yeah, if you just kicked one of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: those skill goals, there was never gonna be overtime. Like
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they were up I believe ten, with like four minutes
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to go, and that was that was the meltdown of miltdowns.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But again because of that game though, it got me
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: off the Chargers, which saved me a lot of money
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: going forward, because like, from that point on, I was
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: out on that team. Well, was that your biggest loss
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of the year. I know that losses ever because the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Colts was like a big six figure loss. Remember the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: tightening game that was by Faun That took me like
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: three winning weeks to get that money back. Like that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: was that wasn't really hurt because I was all in
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on it. I mean I think I had Colts win.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: It opened like two and a half too, and then
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: by kick off just from the fans of the show
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: and like other pros like betting with us. I mean,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it might have been like minus two Colts, Like we
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: moved at four and a half, five point something crazy
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: like that, and they were one up. I believe they're
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: up fourteen, about to drive to go up twenty one
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: nothing And I don't know if it was a pick
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: or a fumble, but whatever happened, I just put the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: entire game. That was brutal, but at the same time,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it was like when really really awful things like that happened.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: As a better I know it always is going to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: balance back out. Yeah, I was raged betting um the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: next two weeks, but it worked out luckily. Like I was,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I had pretty much started riding the forty nine who
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: were on a crazy run than this season, so I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: would say they're one of the teams that definitely stayed
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my ass last season getting money back. All Right, that
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: is it for part one. We've covered so much ground
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and there is so much more to come. We will
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: be back with Part two, answering more questions, going deeper
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: into the life, habits, and all that other good stuff
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of professional betters. This has been the Favorites podcast from
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the Volume Podcast Network for producer Matt Mitchell, for professional
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: better Simon Hunter. I am Chad Billman. Download us at Spotify,
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• 29:56
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