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“See you on the other side.” (Pre-election special!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: This is our last pod before Election Day, so we've
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  Speaker 1: got the whole crew here to talk about Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: and Donald Trump's closing arguments and strategies, offer some final thoughts,
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  Speaker 1: and answer a few of your questions. Then, at the
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  Speaker 1: end of today's show, you'll hear some conversations we had
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we could.
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  Speaker 4: We could be live on video or we could self-medicate
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  Speaker 4: throughout the night, but we couldn't do both and we
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  Speaker 4: made our choice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my commentary is going to range from mediocre jokes
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  Speaker 3: to disinformation and I might not remember any of it.
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  Speaker 3: So get ready.
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  Speaker 1: College towns vote late.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next Pod Save America will come out
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  Speaker 1: on the Wednesday after the election, November 4th. Hopefully the
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  Speaker 1: is next week. All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 1: We head into the final few days of the race
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  Speaker 1: in the midst of the country's worst COVID outbreak yet.
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  Speaker 1: And both candidates are responding with slightly different closing arguments.
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  Speaker 1: Here are a few clips of Donald Trump from his
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  Speaker 1: very crowded office. maskless rallies.
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  Speaker 5: Many of our greatest companies and labs are coming out
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  Speaker 5: very quickly with the vaccines.
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  Speaker 4: They're doing great. Very shortly, very quickly. It's going to
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  Speaker 4: be delivered fast. That will quickly end the pandemic.
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  Speaker 6: It's ending anyway.
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  Speaker 3: We're rounding the turn.
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  Speaker 5: You know, some people said I get a call from
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  Speaker 5: all the experts, right? Guys that ran for president six, seven,
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  Speaker 5: eight times. Never got past the first round, but they're
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  Speaker 5: calling me up. Sir, you shouldn't be speaking about Hunter.
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  Speaker 5: You shouldn't be saying bad things about Biden because nobody cares.
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  Speaker 7: I disagree.
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  Speaker 4: You know, maybe that's why I'm here and they're not.
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  Speaker 5: But they say, They say, talk about your economic success.
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  Speaker 5: Talk about 33.1%, the greatest in history. Now, look, if
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  Speaker 5: I do, I mean, how many times can I say it?
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  Speaker 5: I'll say it five or six times during the speech.
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  Speaker 4: 33.1.
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  Speaker 5: All Biden does is talks about COVID, right? He doesn't
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  Speaker 5: call it the China virus.
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  Speaker 4: You know why?
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  Speaker 5: Because China hasn't paid off.
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  Speaker 2: He can't use that term.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's COVID.
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  Speaker 2: You turn on the news.
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  Speaker 4: COVID, COVID. You know when they're going to stop talking
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  Speaker 4: about it so much? November 4th, you're right. November 4th.
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  Speaker 1: So at the very end of the 2016 campaign, Trump
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  Speaker 1: was relatively, emphasis on relatively, disciplined in terms of message.
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  Speaker 1: Hillary was corrupt. He was the one who would take
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  Speaker 1: on the Clintons and the entire political establishment on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of forgotten Americans. What's the message this time around? Is
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  Speaker 1: there something we're missing here? Dan, you want to take
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  Speaker 1: a cut at this?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there's something we're missing.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hedge my bets in case this goes
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  Speaker 2: horribly wrong. I don't know. I mean, like he, it
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  Speaker 2: is an example. We've talked about this before, but it
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  Speaker 2: is an example of just how bad a messenger Trump is.
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  Speaker 2: He gets this GDP number. It is deceptive and it
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  Speaker 2: actually speaks to the problems he created in the economy.
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  Speaker 2: But the headline is greatest GDP growth in history. And
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  Speaker 2: he can't find the time to actually talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's basically his closing message, and he has one,
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  Speaker 2: is I'm the victim, here's my grievances, and here are
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  Speaker 2: some things I would like to see on Tucker Carlson tonight.
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  Speaker 2: That's fully what his message is, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, what did you think of Trump's closing message? He's
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  Speaker 1: really into the laptop. He's really into the laptop. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if he can explain the scandal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it ranges from adverb abuse to Bobulinski fantasies. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I mean, it seems like even Tucker Carlson
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  Speaker 3: is tired of the Hunter Biden thing. controversy, whatever it
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  Speaker 3: is exactly. It kind of reminds me of the early
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  Speaker 3: days of Benghazi when they were still trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: out what the scandal actually would be before they settled
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  Speaker 3: on talking points. So yeah, look, I'm with Dan. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to sound cocky, but I'm not picking up
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  Speaker 3: a message that says this guy will fight for me.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: How much of Trump's challenge is a message problem and
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  Speaker 1: how much is a COVID problem?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to say because it's like, There's two
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  Speaker 4: ways that Trump could have gone in the homestretch of
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  Speaker 4: this campaign. One could have been to kind of fight
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  Speaker 4: inside of democratic politics, become more serious about COVID after
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  Speaker 4: he had COVID, drive some kind of message around a
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  Speaker 4: second term agenda. But the fact that they don't have
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  Speaker 4: that second term agenda, it's like, how do you... It's.
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  Speaker 1: They forgot the second term agenda.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's one little thing they forgot in the campaign.
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  Speaker 4: It's connected, right? Because one of the biggest questions people
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  Speaker 4: have is, what are you going to do to end
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  Speaker 4: the pandemic and revive the economy? Mark Meadows goes on
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  Speaker 4: television this week and says, right after the election, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to roll out our plan. We have all kinds
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  Speaker 4: of plans in the works. You have the promise of
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  Speaker 4: a health care plan if the Supreme Court repeals Obamacare.
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  Speaker 4: Then you say, oh, after the election, all the therapeutics
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  Speaker 4: are going to come. So there's this sort of like
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  Speaker 4: wag the dog like Hollywood promise of like all these
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  Speaker 4: wonderful things that are going to happen after the election,
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  Speaker 4: but that's not a second term agenda. And so they
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  Speaker 4: resort to the Hunter Biden stuff. So it's like his
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  Speaker 4: choice was, do I fight this inside of democratic politics
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  Speaker 4: and make an actual argument in the homestretch? Or do
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  Speaker 4: I abandon all premise of that and just go to
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  Speaker 4: misinformation and distraction and propaganda? And that's the choice he made.
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  Speaker 4: It may work because his actual substantive argument that he
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  Speaker 4: would need to be making inside of ordinary politics is
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  Speaker 4: so terrible that in the midst of a COVID pandemic,
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  Speaker 4: in the midst of an economic depression. So he just
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  Speaker 4: made his choice. I don't think we know right now.
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  Speaker 4: None of us want to believe it can work, but
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  Speaker 4: it could work.
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  Speaker 1: Every so often there are tweets from Donald Trump, ostensibly
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  Speaker 1: from Donald Trump, that say, you know, I'm not your
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  Speaker 1: typical politician. I never was, but I'm fighting for you.
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  Speaker 1: And there are these like form written tweets that the
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  Speaker 1: campaign must send out. That you can tell is the
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  Speaker 1: message that they wanted in the homestretch. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: their advertising is closer to a message that actually works.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: He is so far off message. Like if you tell
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  Speaker 1: me that Donald Trump could win, I won't argue with you.
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  Speaker 1: If you tell me that, you know, Donald Trump's campaign
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  Speaker 1: for the last four years has been finding and registering
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  Speaker 1: non-college white voters to turn out in droves on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: I won't argue with you there either. If you tell
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  Speaker 1: me he's been good in the homestretch with his closing message,
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  Speaker 1: I think you're full of shit. Like, that I will argue. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is, it is absolutely insane what he's doing,
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  Speaker 1: that he's going from state to state, most of which
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  Speaker 1: have Horrible COVID outbreaks. And he's talking about Hunter Biden.
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  Speaker 1: He spent a day on Miles Taylor, who turns out
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  Speaker 1: to be anonymous.
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  Speaker 5: Literally.
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  Speaker 4: Literally anonymous.
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  Speaker 3: Literally anonymous. Still anonymous.
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  Speaker 4: Still anonymous.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump administration official who, you know, wrote the op
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  Speaker 1: ed and then wrote the book and a big fucking hero.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: My reaction was, what a stupid story. And then Trump
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  Speaker 1: talked about it for like a full day.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it. One last change research poll and say
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  Speaker 3: open ended. Who is Miles Taylor? Did he work in government?
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  Speaker 3: Was he on tool time? ID this guy. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: how this goes.
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  Speaker 1: We should put up a picture of Miles Taylor and
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  Speaker 1: a picture of Tony Bobulinski and see if anyone can
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  Speaker 1: guess who's who. He's attacking Rick Snyder, the former governor
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  Speaker 1: of Michigan, for endorsing Joe Biden. He is fucking off
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  Speaker 1: the rails. If he wins this thing, it will be insane.
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  Speaker 1: in spite of anything he has said in the last
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. I do feel confident saying that.
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  Speaker 4: Who is the Republican politician who ran for president and lost,
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  Speaker 4: and who called and had a private conversation with Trump
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  Speaker 4: to try to give him some helpful advice? And Trump's response,
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  Speaker 4: who is it?
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  Speaker 1: My first reaction to that was, it must have been
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  Speaker 1: Chris Christie, but I don't think they're on speaking terms
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  Speaker 1: anymore because he almost killed him.
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  Speaker 4: Chris Christie got out of the hospital barely survived a
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  Speaker 4: run-in with Donald Trump to vote for Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: So that's Donald Trump. I don't think it's... And also
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  Speaker 1: the Hunter thing just does not seem to be breaking
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  Speaker 1: through in any kind of way because there's a great
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  Speaker 1: Politico story about how everyone in the MAGA universe... Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: you were touching on this. They can't even keep the
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  Speaker 1: story straight. Seb Gorka was interviewing Steve Bannon and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: Steve wins the bombshell. And Steve's like, it's out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I wondered this morning... I was up way too early
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  Speaker 3: and I wandered over into some of the darker corners
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  Speaker 3: of the MAGA internet. And the place they've gotten to
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  Speaker 3: on the Hunter Biden story is so gross. It is
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  Speaker 3: so irrelevant. It is so far from anything anyone would
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  Speaker 3: give a shit about when it comes to Joe Biden himself.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like character assassination. It's about revenge. It's just
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  Speaker 3: the most vindictive, cruel thing. like baseless garbage. It's, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's offensive. It's embarrassing. It's Rudy Giuliani just being drunk
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  Speaker 3: and on live TV all day long. That's all that's happening.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting though. You know, I think we have a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of a memory hole around 2016, which is, um,
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  Speaker 4: we remember it as like the emails as the ultimate
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  Speaker 4: thing that brought down Hillary Clinton. But we, I like,
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  Speaker 4: Even going back and looking, you forget just how much
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  Speaker 4: shit Trump was trying to throw against the wall in
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  Speaker 4: the closing days. And he's doing it again now. There's
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  Speaker 4: a reason it's not as effective with Joe Biden. But
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  Speaker 4: it's also just, again, he would help himself so much
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  Speaker 4: with a positive agenda before he gets to the improv, misinformation,
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  Speaker 4: propaganda portion of the rally. But that's all gone. That's
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  Speaker 4: all gone. He just gets up there and he starts
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  Speaker 4: riffing about Hunter Biden and how COVID is a hoax.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, we talked about this in our Change poll, right,
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  Speaker 1: that we saw like, I mean, and Brian Boitler has
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  Speaker 1: a good piece on this on Crooked, like the word
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  Speaker 1: cloud of Trump and Clinton at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: 2016 race for Clinton, it was just email was the
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  Speaker 1: biggest word in the whole word cloud, right? And when
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: we did the word cloud in the change poll, and
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  Speaker 1: then CNN did one too, you know, for Biden, you
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  Speaker 1: can see sort of corrupt and sun popping up there.
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  Speaker 1: but it's all from Trump voters entirely. So it's smaller.
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  Speaker 1: And you also see words like presidential, empathetic, caring, competent, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think right now for Trump voters, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you talk to them, they'll probably tell you all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy shit about Hunter Biden. You know, we've
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  Speaker 1: had volunteers. We've talked about this before. They contact Trump
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  Speaker 1: voters and they talk about pedophilia and all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: really dark stuff. So like it's breaking through to the
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Trump people, but it does seem, Dan, like he's given
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  Speaker 1: up on persuading Trump swing voters a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that he has actually given that up.
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  Speaker 2: I just think he's wrong about what swing voters care
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  Speaker 2: about because he lives fully inside the Fox News universe.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: We've talked about this with Fox before. When he watches Fox,
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  Speaker 2: he thinks he's looking out the window at what America
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  Speaker 2: looks like and he's really just looking in the mirror.
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  Speaker 2: It has become this self-actualization of propaganda where the people
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  Speaker 2: who are hearing it and saying it have all become one.
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  Speaker 2: I think there is a way to look at this
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  Speaker 2: and say that Donald Trump Because he has not been
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  Speaker 2: able to truly penetrate the Hunter Biden message or all
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  Speaker 2: this other sort of right-wing marginalia, as I say, that
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  Speaker 2: somehow our institutions have resurrected themselves in 2016 or the
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  Speaker 2: right-wing media machine has weakened. I actually don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: the case. It's just the context is different. We have
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  Speaker 2: one singular issue that is affecting everyone's life in the pandemic.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot escape it. It dominates everything. You can't leave
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  Speaker 2: your home. It's affected your kid's school. It's affected your work.
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  Speaker 2: It's affected your Thanksgiving plans. And there's nothing that Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump or Fox News or Sean Hannity or Rudy Giuliani
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  Speaker 2: can do to change that. And Trump's problem is he
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  Speaker 2: refuses to address the reality he's dealing with. Like he
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  Speaker 2: needs a– you can't run a campaign that ignores the
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  Speaker 2: biggest issue in the country. And even– like and that's
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  Speaker 2: what Trump does on his best day. On his worst day,
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  Speaker 2: he ridicules the biggest issue facing the country. Like just
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  Speaker 2: today– Right.
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  Speaker 1: He complains about it.
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  Speaker 2: Just today as we were talking about this in one
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  Speaker 2: of his– many super spreader rallies he's doing today. He
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  Speaker 2: makes fun of Laura Ingram for wearing a mask. She
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  Speaker 2: is at the event and wearing a mask.
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  Speaker 1: I miss that.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're politically correct for wearing it. So two problems
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  Speaker 2: with that.
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  Speaker 7: One.
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  Speaker 3: Incredible.
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  Speaker 2: One, you are doing large, unsocially distanced, largely unmasked crowd
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  Speaker 2: events in the middle of a huge coronavirus spike. You
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  Speaker 2: are making fun of masks. You're ridiculing someone for wearing
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: a mask. It is also noteworthy, the person wearing a
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: mask is one of the primary faces of a network
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  Speaker 2: that has spread a massive amount of misinformation about masks.
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  Speaker 2: So it is very clear that at least people like
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: Laura Ingraham are in on the grift, right? They know
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  Speaker 2: that the idea is to say, masks aren't good for you,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm going to protect myself. I don't care if
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: you get killed.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there was an incredibly telling quote from a
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  Speaker 1: former senior administration official in Politico. They said, if you
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  Speaker 1: think COVID is a big deal, then you're not voting
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  Speaker 1: for the president. That's how they see the race.
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  Speaker 9: Or you're dead.
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  Speaker 4: Or you're fucking dead.
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  Speaker 3: Glad they granted anonymity for that sharp insight. What a
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  Speaker 3: fucking genius.
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  Speaker 10: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Nailed it on background politico. Thanks for that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's their plan, right? Like, if you think
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  Speaker 1: COVID's a big deal, you're voting for Joe Biden. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't, then we got your vote.
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  Speaker 2: Look, if you think gravity's a big deal, you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to jump out a window. Like, that's the.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Can I make a quick pitch, which is Dan's idea of...
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  Speaker 3: When you sort of like you live within your own
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  Speaker 3: constructed universe and you think something's a big deal when
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  Speaker 3: no one else outside of it does. I think we
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  Speaker 3: should call it getting strassled.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's when you bite on a pitch, you report it
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  Speaker 3: out and you think you just had the biggest blockbuster
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  Speaker 3: scoop in the world about Bob Bobulinski or whatever the
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  Speaker 3: guy's name was. But you got strassled because no one
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  Speaker 3: else cares. The news side of your own Wall Street Journal,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Kim Strassel, undercut your whole story. John liked that pitch
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  Speaker 3: so much he left.
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  Speaker 7: He left.
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  Speaker 4: John just left.
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  Speaker 3: John just left.
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  Speaker 4: Quick, now, before he comes back. Sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I let Leo out of the office because Emily came out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care about polls. I don't care about polls.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you do.
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  Speaker 7: I do.
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  Speaker 11: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I really do.
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about Joe Biden. His message has basically
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  Speaker 1: been the same since the primary. Here is a closing
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  Speaker 1: ad that the campaign released this week.
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  Speaker 12: I started this campaign saying we're in the battle for
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  Speaker 12: the soul of the nation.
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  Speaker 6: I believe that even more deeply today. Who we are.
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  Speaker 6: What we stand for. And maybe most importantly, who we
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  Speaker 6: are going to be.
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  Speaker 11: It's all at stake.
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  Speaker 6: Characters on the ballot. The character of the country.
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  Speaker 12: And this is our opportunity to leave the dark, angry
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  Speaker 12: politics of the past four years behind us. To choose
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  Speaker 12: hope over fear. Unity over division. Science over fiction. I
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  Speaker 12: believe it's time to unite the country, to come together
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  Speaker 12: as a nation. But I can't do it without you.
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  Speaker 12: So I'm asking for your vote. We need to remember,
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  Speaker 12: this is the United States of America. And there's never
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  Speaker 12: been anything we've been unable to do when we've done
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  Speaker 12: it together.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, why do you think that's worked for Biden so far?
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  Speaker 2: The primary reason is that it is truly authentic to him.
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  Speaker 2: He's not trying to be anything... he isn't or anything
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't before. And because it's authentic to him, it
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  Speaker 2: comes out that way.
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  Speaker 4: And I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that message could be very effective in a more
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  Speaker 2: normal time, but it is even more effective in the
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  Speaker 2: moment we were in, where empathy and competence and hope
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  Speaker 2: for something better just stands so just feel so much
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  Speaker 2: more important than it would like in a time that
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  Speaker 2: felt more normal, like 2016. I know it seems crazy
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  Speaker 2: that 2016 was normal, but compared to this, anything is normal.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the thing that is interesting, and I've
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  Speaker 2: been trying to do sort of a audit of the
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  Speaker 2: things that I've gotten right and wrong in this election.
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  Speaker 2: And We talked throughout the primary about the best way
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  Speaker 2: to beat Donald Trump was to have the strongest contrast
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  Speaker 2: with him, right? To be changed to his status quo.
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  Speaker 2: And because that is our lived experience working for Barack Obama.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a fear because Joe Biden was also
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  Speaker 2: a white man in his 70s who was someone who
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  Speaker 2: had spent nearly a half century within the political system
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  Speaker 2: that he would not represent change in the way you
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  Speaker 2: would need to defeat Trump, that he would be There
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be enough contrast. But ultimately, when you sort of–
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  Speaker 2: and this really hit me during the second debate is
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Donald Trump may be of the same
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  Speaker 2: generation and the same gender and the same race. But
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  Speaker 2: they are the two– potentially the two most different people
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  Speaker 2: you could possibly find, right? Joe Biden is decent where
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  Speaker 2: Trump is indecent. Joe Biden is a unifier where Trump
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  Speaker 2: is divisive. Joe Biden is serious and competent, where Trump
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  Speaker 2: is unserious and dangerous. And I think that– and the
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  Speaker 2: Biden campaign, to their great credit, never diverged from that.
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  Speaker 2: They never did anything that put the– they had to
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  Speaker 2: take a lot of lumps in the primary. They never
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  Speaker 2: did a single thing that took them away from who
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is and what he could do. And I
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  Speaker 2: think– like Blake said, we don't know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 2: but it is a message that has been incredibly effective
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  Speaker 2: because it's been so incredibly authentic.
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  Speaker 1: Lovett, did we underestimate the potency of Biden's message in
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  Speaker 1: the primary? Or do you think the context changed because
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  Speaker 1: of the pandemic and the recession?
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  Speaker 4: I think, I think, yes. I think another thing happened, too,
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  Speaker 4: which is that Biden did an excellent job.
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  Speaker 7: Job.
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  Speaker 4: The campaign did an excellent job addressing those concerns. I
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  Speaker 4: think in the primary, we talked about this a lot,
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  Speaker 4: that there's this pool of voters we need to appeal
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  Speaker 4: to that are looking for normalcy, whatever that means. And
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  Speaker 4: they're independents, they're moderates, they're suburban voters, they're the kind
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  Speaker 4: of people that gave us the midterms And at the
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  Speaker 4: same time, there is this progressive base and this big
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  Speaker 4: pool of marginal voters or non-voters for whom normal is
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  Speaker 4: a crisis and are looking for genuine change, who are very,
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  Speaker 4: very skeptical of politics, who are skeptical of politicians. And
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  Speaker 4: what has been striking to me is how Biden has
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  Speaker 4: on issues that take off on social media that rile
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  Speaker 4: cable news, right? Terms like defund the police, questions about
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  Speaker 4: whether or not he'd be willing to denounce violence in protests.
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  Speaker 4: He was consistent in making sure he appealed to those
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  Speaker 4: kind of moderates and those independents that he needed. But
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  Speaker 4: on the policy front, he puts AOC and John Kerry
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  Speaker 4: together to figure out a consensus climate policy that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: exactly embrace the Green New Deal, but goes incredibly far
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  Speaker 4: and embraces some of the goals that people like Jay
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  Speaker 4: Inslee had in the primary. He calls upon Elizabeth Warren
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  Speaker 4: to help develop the economic policy. He He works with
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  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders to get his buy-in on a health care
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  Speaker 4: plan that's not Medicare for all, but has a public
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  Speaker 4: option and is more robust than what he offered in
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  Speaker 4: the primary. So there was this really, I think, smart
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  Speaker 4: effort to appeal to both of those big groups at once,
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  Speaker 4: you know, one on policy, one on rhetoric. And I
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  Speaker 4: think it was really effective. So I think it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: that those concerns were wrong. It was that they did
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  Speaker 4: an exquisite job of addressing them and threading a really,
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  Speaker 4: you walking a really fine line over the past six months.
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  Speaker 11: Tommy, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Look, if the Biden campaign wins by one vote, I
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  Speaker 3: think they deserve all the credit in the world and
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I will celebrate them in perpetuity. Anyone who suggests they
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  Speaker 3: knew how this campaign was going to end when it
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  Speaker 3: started is a fucking liar. We're in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: a historic pandemic. No one predicted this. No one planned
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  Speaker 3: for this. I think the one thing that's probably true
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  Speaker 3: out of the primary is Voters weren't looking for a
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  Speaker 3: revolution or necessarily for inspiration. They were looking for an
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  Speaker 3: alternative who they thought could win. And they may have
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  Speaker 3: chosen wisely. We'll find out. But I mean, that was
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  Speaker 3: the driving issue during the primary was whatever electability meant.
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  Speaker 3: They thought Joe Biden was it. The polls suggest he's
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  Speaker 3: running ahead. We'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: I will just say on message. I remember in the primary,
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  Speaker 1: I was drawn to Elizabeth Warren's message because I think
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  Speaker 1: you know, am a fan of economic populism, partly because
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  Speaker 1: I believe that inequality is an enormous challenge in this country.
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  Speaker 1: But I remember when we've had, we used to have
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  Speaker 1: discussions about Warren's message and we would say, I do
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  Speaker 1: think there's something a little bigger necessary. Like she talks
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  Speaker 1: about economics a lot, but the country's going through something bigger.
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  Speaker 1: And Right there all along, it really was Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: talking about this is a battle for the soul of
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  Speaker 1: the country. And Dan, we've talked a lot about is
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  Speaker 1: it a referendum or is it a choice? And of course,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it's easy to say that it's just a referendum on
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which this election has become, but that the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic candidate should also strive to make it a choice
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  Speaker 1: as well. And Joe Biden actually from the beginning laid
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  Speaker 1: out that it was a choice. That it was a
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  Speaker 1: choice between the type of country that Donald Trump represents
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  Speaker 1: and where he was taking us and sort of the
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  Speaker 1: better angels of our nature and the better angels of
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  Speaker 1: our history. And by talking about a battle for the
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  Speaker 1: soul of the nation, it actually was right. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: do think that the pandemic made that a much sharper message.
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  Speaker 1: And I also, by the way, think it made it
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  Speaker 1: a sharper message because the crisis we went through as
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  Speaker 1: a country is a crisis where a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: were dying and a lot of people were suffering. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden knows suffering and knows tragedy more than most
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  Speaker 1: people in public life. And I think we like sort
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of underestimate the potency of his message because it is
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  Speaker 1: so rooted in his own family's experience. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people out there grieving right now and have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, gone through a lot of loss. And I
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  Speaker 1: think Joe Biden's empathy is, like you said, Dan, it
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  Speaker 1: stands in stark contrast to Donald Trump. But it also just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes... the moment just works out. The man
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  Speaker 1: meets the moment.
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  Speaker 4: Would you say hope in history rhyme, John?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, well, like Tommy was saying too,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone could have predicted that, but suddenly
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  Speaker 1: we're in a pandemic and the guy running against Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump is someone who's experienced a lot of loss in
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  Speaker 1: his life and is a really good, decent human being.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: And so it matches up pretty well. All right, let's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: talk about the closing strategies from both campaigns. Joe Biden's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: trying to win with a rather conventional strategy of persuading
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  Speaker 1: and turning out the most voters in states that add
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  Speaker 1: up to 270 electoral votes. Donald Trump is trying to
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  Speaker 1: win by doing everything he can to prevent people from
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  Speaker 1: voting in the states that add up to 270 electoral votes.
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  Speaker 1: The New York Times describes the Trump playbook in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: which may be the most pivotal state of all, as, quote,
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  Speaker 1: a three-pronged strategy. that would effectively suppress mail-in votes in
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  Speaker 1: the state, moving to stop the processing of absentee votes
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  Speaker 1: before Election Day, pushing to limit how late mail-in ballots
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  Speaker 1: can be accepted, and intimidating Pennsylvanians trying to vote early.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump campaign is shopping around for right-wing judges to
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  Speaker 1: help them suppress the votes in other states as well.
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  Speaker 1: On Thursday, the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that
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  Speaker 1: mail-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by 8 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: on Election Day, even though months ago the Minnesota Secretary
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  Speaker 1: of State had extended the deadline to November 10th, so
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: long as the ballots were postmarked by Election Day. The
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: court has ordered all ballots arriving after November 3rd to
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  Speaker 1: be segregated in case the ruling is appealed. First question, Tommy,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: what do we do about this?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think the only thing we can do
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  Speaker 3: is do another volunteer shift, tell people to vote early
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  Speaker 3: in person or to take their ballots and put them
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: in a drop box. Do not put them in the mail.
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  Speaker 3: It is way, way too late to put any ballots
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  Speaker 3: in the mail. But just, you know, we shift our
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  Speaker 3: messaging accordingly. I do think the thing that people just
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: need to really get here is how disgusting this is.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Trump and all the Republicans are lying about wanting an
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  Speaker 3: outcome on election night. That is not their motivation here.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, they're taking steps in Pennsylvania to slow down
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  Speaker 3: the counting process by refusing to let certain boards of
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  Speaker 3: election like open the ballots and prepare them to be counted.
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  Speaker 3: What they want to do is lay a pretext to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: invalidate a bunch of vote by mail ballots because that's
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: what they think Democrats are overwhelmingly voting by mail, right?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: It is a really dirty, dirty game. And it's something
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: we need to remember no matter who wins. If Joe
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Biden pulls this out, we need to take a whole
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  Speaker 3: bunch of steps to prevent voter suppression like this from
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: ever happening again, because it's absolutely disgusting. And then on
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  Speaker 3: top of that, they're slowing down the entire postal service
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  Speaker 3: on purpose because, you know, they don't want vote by
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  Speaker 3: mail ballots to show up to begin with. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's just, it is like, it's mind bogglingly brazen and
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  Speaker 3: happening in the open.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, what's the right way to talk about this for Democrats?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: What's the, what's the right way to message all this
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: in the homestretch? Because You know, you and I talked
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: about this last pod, but there's a lot of alarm, understandably,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: out there. But, you know, I also we don't want
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to sort of scare people into thinking that their votes
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: won't count and that it's not.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we have to talk about this from a
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: language of empowerment. Voting is an expression of our political power.
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  Speaker 2: We control what is going to happen here.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Not Brett Kavanaugh, not Donald Trump, not some MAGA election
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: official in Erie County. There are more people in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: battleground states in this country. who support Joe Biden and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: support Donald Trump. If they turn out and vote, we
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  Speaker 2: will win. And I think we have to do two things.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: We should not dismiss what is happening here because we
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: should use it to motivate us to work even harder
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: over the next few days, but we should file it
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  Speaker 2: away for afterwards. Because as soon as this is election number,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: whether Joe Biden wins by a little or wins by
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a giant fucking margin, we have to fix the system
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in this country. And so the presumption is on counting
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: all of the ballots from as many eligible voters as possible, right?
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  Speaker 2: As opposed to the opposite where now the burden is
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on you to prove you're an eligible voter before you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: get your vote counted. And- I appreciate the New York
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Times for reporting on this and the way you talked
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: about it, but talk about fucking normalizing anti-democratic chicanery. They
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: have two strategies. The Democrats want to get people to vote.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: The Republicans are doing shit that would receive a sternly
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: worded statement from the State Department if it happened in
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: another country. You're trying to steal an election. That is
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: what you're trying to do. One side is trying to
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: win fair and square, and one side is trying to
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  Speaker 2: steal it. They are a bunch of fucking yahoos who
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: represent a minority of voters, so I don't think they're
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: going to be able to steal it. But let's not
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: treat it as if it's a political strategy like he's
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: trying to close on healthcare.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You see a lot of these headlines– because we won
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a few cases, and it'll say, victory for Democrats, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: a court says that ballots can count. Like, victory for
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Democrats that people's votes get to count? That's a victory
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: for Democrats?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's... I do not think political reporters are comfortable
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: covering news that is actually not politics. This isn't politics.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: There is a big group of people who are pursuing politics.
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  Speaker 4: The reporters are part of that group. Democrats are part
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: of that group. Voters are part of that group. These
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: people are outside of politics trying to stop politics. That's
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: what we're talking about here. And so whenever it is
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: covered inside of a political argument, it's another sign of
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: how the press has been victimized by Trump because they
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: don't have the language or they're not willing to use
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: the language to describe it honestly, because it means admitting
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: that there's one campaign that is both inside of and
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: for democratic politics and democracy generally. And there's one that
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: just isn't. And this whole campaign and strategy relies on
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: being outside of it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: It's very similar to how climate change is covered in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: this country. Which is one side is for science and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: saving the planet and one side isn't. But you have
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: to treat that as two sides of the same coin
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  Speaker 2: instead of one side being right and one side being
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: absolutely dangerously fucking wrong.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: And it is sort of like these, you know, you
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: make the point about we need to think about voting
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: rights after this election. But like this is why I
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: think like win or lose, the fact that we are
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: so anxious, the fact that we are so nervous, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: fact that Trump can win is a sign of just
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: how much like There's anti-democratic forces set against democratic forces.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: We don't know how it's going to turn out. Our
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: job after this election, regardless, it's about voter suppression. It's
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: about figuring out how to counter misinformation and propaganda. And
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: that's true regardless of the outcome.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But it's not just Pennsylvania. The people of Florida overwhelmingly
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: voted to re-enfranchise formerly incarcerated people But then the Republican
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Party in Florida put in place what is clearly a
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: poll tax to prevent them from voting and then made
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: it almost impossible to figure out how much you owe
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: so that you could pay those fines. These are like
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: so brazen, so anti-democratic, so un-American actions by these people that, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we just we can't we cannot forget it
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  Speaker 3: is all I'm trying to say.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: And they packed two courts to do it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They packed the Florida Supreme Court and then they rigged
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the U.S. Supreme Court to make sure that their poll
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: tax stayed in place.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: If Joe Biden wins, I do not want to hear
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the fucking pundits and older Democratic strategists talking to the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: pundits and talking to the reporters being like these Democrats
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: pretty extreme with their court reform. Like we have fucking
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: right wing maniacs on courts right now invalidating ballots. And
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you're going to tell us that like that court reform
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: is extreme.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: No.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: And look, you know. Part of the challenge here, too,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: is that a whole group of Republicans don't believe there's
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: any political price for being against democracy.
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: No, of course not.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Brian Schatz about this. You know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the Biden campaign, Democrats generally, they're campaigning on health care.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: They're campaigning on sort of, you know, meat and potatoes,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: like basic issues. And they should. That's the issues that
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: they think that they can win on. But there's a real,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, we need to be honest after this election
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: that democracy as a campaign issue, right, is treated like
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: a process. It's treated like a sideshow. And we have
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: to figure out how to have a conversation, a political
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: conversation that resonates people about the importance of democratic institutions
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: in and of themselves.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I just, I think that posture is important here. Like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I saw people being like, well, this Pennsylvania thing. That's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: why we just got to win one of the Sunbelt
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: states and call it like, yeah, I hope we win
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the Sunbelt states too. And I think we have a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: good chance, but like, you know, let's not throw away
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania just because it could take till Friday. And just
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: because on election night, you know, Donald Trump could be
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: up 10 to 15 points in Pennsylvania because they haven't
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: started counting the mail-in ballots yet. We're going to sit
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and we're going to wait. We're going to count the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: ballots and the winner is going to be the winner. John,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like we just got to be, I just disagree with you.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I read a great op-ed by David Gerget in the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Hill who suggested that counting all the votes is divisive.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And I think that you should really maybe tone down
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the rhetoric and maybe just go to the red hen
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with Stephen Miller and kind of.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Work this out.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I do have faith that most reporters get this at
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: this point. I also, by the way, like I thinking
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: about our change research poll, how like 90% of voters
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: who want to vote in this election are paying close
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: attention to the news. And so I do have faith
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that like people who want to vote are going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: figure out how to vote, to make sure they go
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to their Dropbox or go in person if they can't. Obviously,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I am worried about the people who have already put
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: their ballots in the mail with a couple days left
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and mail delays getting them there. But everyone should know
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that a lot of state parties, a lot of organizations
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: are doing everything they can, digital advertising, talking to as
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: many people as possible to let people know that they
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: should not be putting their ballots in the mail. They
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: should be dropping them off at a Dropbox or at
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: their county election office or at their or show up
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: on election day. And everyone who's listening, you should tell
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: everyone in your life the same thing. We just got
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to spread the word. But fortunately, people are very, very
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: engaged in this election and are paying attention.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And for all we know, these idiots could disenfranchise a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: bunch of Republicans, right? I mean, this could cut both ways.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: It is immoral. It is terrible. Just count the votes.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Republicans should get to vote too.
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Let's take some questions.
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: Questions.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Anonymous, so I assume this is Miles Taylor, asks....
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: By the way, earlier I said Tool Time. I obviously
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: meant Home Improvement. Tool Time was the show within Home Improvement.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: That was very meta.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Tommy, I knew what you meant. I knew exactly what
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: you meant, Tommy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: We all got it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I'm a JTT guy.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I know you live inside the Tim Allen extended universe.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Dude, Tim Allen's comedy, for me, just doesn't get any better,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: you know?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: This is a man's kitchen.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's been canceled by now.
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: This is a.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Man's kitchen because I use a chainsaw to cut a
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: potato like a man.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the question is, the question from Miles Taylor is,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: do you think there was any media lessons learned from 2016?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Can I ask, did Jordan Waller just like send Tommy
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a message to say he got the tool time thing
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: wrong and had to fix it? Like, what happened there?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. It's not true. Do you think
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Jordan watched?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Jordan was definitely not alive.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: No, but I bet she Googled it for sure. There's
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: no one alive other than me maybe who remembers that.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Have they learned lessons?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I think they have. I think we need to give
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: the media some credit for learning some lessons. If you
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: look back at the hysterical media coverage at the end
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: of 2016, it was way worse. That was in part
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: because Jim Comey was helping the New York Times put
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: on its front page totally alarmist allegations that the email
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: scandal had been reopened by the FBI. But there was
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: also the Drudge Report. People were running with all the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: email stories. I do think the way that the Hunter
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Biden story controversy has been handled by the mainstream press
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: has been markedly different than last time. Am I wrong?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Dan, I would love to hear Dan's, Dan's retort to this.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've learned some lessons.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly more fact checking, uh, that's, you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: like the, the presence of someone like Daniel Dale coming
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on CNN and going line by line through Trump's lies
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: is very helpful. Anchors themselves are doing it more. Jake
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Tapper has very aggressively done this multiple occasions. Others, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: others have done it as well. There have been more
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: really good interviews with Trump, like the ones Savannah Guthrie did,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: where you push back aggressively against it and you treat
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: it seriously. One of the problems in 2016 was Hillary
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: was treated as if she was president throughout the entire
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: campaign and given that level of scrutiny, and Trump was
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: treated as a sideshow who could never be president. So
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the media establishment did not care enough about what he did.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Not to say that there wasn't a lot of bad
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: coverage of him, but it just wasn't treated with the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: same seriousness as Clinton was. I am skeptical that this
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: will stick around forever. There's a tendency to really adjust
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to what happened in political coverage, adjust to what happened
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in previous election, then get right back into the stupid
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: cycle afterwards. But I'm actually– less concerned in the long
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: run about how the press handles this than how Facebook
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: handles it, right? And Facebook has clearly learned zero fucking
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: lessons and it's gotten worse over time.
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: It's terrible.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And like that, like we can feel great about the,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like it's easy for us to say, wasn't that great
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that Kim Strassel had that stupid fucking totally fake thing
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and then the Wall Street Journal behind their paywall came
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: back and said it wasn't true. Like that's all happening
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: within the universe of people who follow politics incredibly closely.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: We're not paying enough attention to still what is happening
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: on Facebook and what that is doing to absolutely shift
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: people's belief, you know, spread conspiracy theory, spread misinformation and
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: totally fuck up our politics. And that is to me
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the much bigger challenge than how the group of very
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Twitter savvy, cable news friendly media people handle this election.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, what do you do? What do you
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: do when the head of Facebook's editorial board is Dan Bongino,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: No, I'm trying to be better about like not classifying
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the media as one group because I think there are
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a handful of the usual suspects who have learned zero
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: lessons and we all know who they are. I'm not
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: going to name them all here. Name them.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Give me five of them.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I think they are now a much smaller group and
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a much smaller portion of the larger political press. And
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think by and large, the political coverage has been
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: quite good and responsible for this, uh, for this election.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Um, all right.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Paul and Ria from Australia ask, there's so much focus
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: on where candidates go or don't go in the last
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: weeks of the campaign. Why isn't this an antiquated approach
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to what drives turnout and engagement in a digital world?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Or is there evidence that it makes a difference? I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: don't have an answer to this question. Dan, what do
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you think? I feel like you might know this.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It does still make a difference. In a normal world,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you would go, you'd have a big rally, you would
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: sign everyone in, you'd recruit a bunch of volunteers. What
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: we would often do in 2012 is you would have
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: an early vote rally that is near an early vote location,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and then people would leave en masse to go vote
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: at that early vote location. It's different here, but it
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: still matters because you're getting more press coverage when you go.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: You're becoming more a part of the conversation there. It
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: has more impact than just doing a Zoom event. We
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: sort of saw the sort of perils of a purely
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Zoom style of regional campaigning early in this campaign when
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Biden was doing like a Florida senior's town hall via Zoom.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: And he would do it, but it would have no
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: impact in Florida. But there were still something that, I mean,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's antiquated, obviously, about An airplane landing in Florida, all
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the television networks being there to film Joe Biden or
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris getting off that plane, putting it on the news.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: People talk about it more. So it has– like it's
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: not a– the game changer is everything, but it has impact.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: And the more coverage you get, the more people who
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: would not otherwise vote may be reminded to do so
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: in the way that ensures the vote gets counted. So
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I think it is certainly worth doing.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, Trump gets to capture the data from everyone
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: who comes to his rallies. That's the upside. The flip
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: side is one out of 20 dies from COVID.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: But do you see that cap study that showed that
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: half of Trump rallies have led to a spike in
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: coronavirus cases in that community?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Did I see that cap study? Pause there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Of course I saw that cap study, Dan. Do you
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: say that? Did I say that because Jesse Lee also
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: DM'd it to you?
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Alex Wall sends me something, I retweet it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: It does seem though this year that the super spreader
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: rallies may be counterproductive. And we don't know right now.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Regardless of how many people Trump leaves on the battlefield,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: the press coverage has always been a mix between what
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: he says and also the fact that they are dangerous
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: and irresponsible events.
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: Totally.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: And the polling is very clear on that, too, that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: people even even Trump supporters oppose doing these rallies.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: They think it's crazy.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: They do.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So Tiffany asks in the final days, how much sleep
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: are the campaign managers getting? And Amelia asked something similar.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: What are these last few days look like for campaign staffers?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Tommy is someone who was out in Iowa sleeping on
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: an air mattress. driving around a truck that you abandoned
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: in the state.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: What is it like in those last few days on
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a campaign as a staffer?
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, what a normal campaign would be like
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: is you would, you know, your bag call time would
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: be at what, 5 a.m.? You'd drive to the airport
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: at 6. You'd get on the plane to go to
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: your first event. You'd eat while on the ground. You'd
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: watch the event. You'd get back on the plane. You'd
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: eat in the plane. You'd land somewhere else. You'd eat
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: again on the ground. You'd eat again on the plane.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Then you'd fly somewhere else. And then you'd drink with
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: some reporters who you mostly hate until one in the morning.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And then there'd be another bad call at around 5 a.m.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And you send a lot of emails in between. It sucks.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: It really sucks.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: No, actually, Tommy, as you were just saying all that,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I miss being on a campaign.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It's so horrible.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I kind of miss that. I miss it a little bit.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I'm eating like that. That's how I'm eating. That's how
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I'm eating right now.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a similar question. Jenny asks... Where were
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you and what were you all doing on election night
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: 2008 and 2012? Let's start with 2008.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Love it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Where were you in 2008?
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I was just watching the returns as a Hillary right-hand voter.
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: You and Lady Linda Rothschild.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: No, I will tell you, though, my honest feeling... On
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: election night was I had I did sincerely have conflicted
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: feelings about it because we had been part I was
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: part of the Hillary campaign. And I remember over the
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: course of that night, all the ambivalence sort of went away. Like,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I remember feeling it in real time, like, oh, my God,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: this is happening. This is so exciting. And then I
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: remember walking from my house to the White House because
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: I was in D.C.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Because it's where I lived.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: And just being outside with everybody outside of the White House,
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: just hectoring George W. Bush, the previous worst president in history,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: while he watched Returns himself. And I always remember being
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: outside of the White House on that night.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I remember we were in, the three of us were
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in the Chicago headquarters in the Obama campaign. And I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: remember the moment. that it happened because they called Ohio.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: And when they called Ohio, that's when we really knew it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: And I was sitting next to you, Tommy, and we
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: just like looked over at each other like, holy shit,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: did this just happen?
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: We won?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I don't remember being happy. I remember being like, what
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: do you mean they called Ohio? What are you talking about? Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: No, we were confused.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: This didn't happen. And we got on some weird tram
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: and went down to the park and then watched him speak.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: The Grand Park, yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: And then went to some club until like five in
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: the morning. We were all like, fucking walking pale zombies.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And I don't remember after that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Very drunk, very drunk. And 2012 wasn't as, 2012 wasn't
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: quite as celebratory, though it was pretty celebratory. We were
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: like in a hotel room in Chicago, remember?
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I was burning Benghazi documents. I don't know that. That's right.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: You were burning Benghazi documents. Dan and I were in
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a hotel in Chicago.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I was, both times in 08 and 12,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I was in the quote unquote boiler room where everyone sits.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: for 15 hours in a room, sort of like people
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: from the field staff, the legal staff, and you just
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: get data the whole time. And it's incredibly exhausting. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: it's like 10 times worse than just scrolling Twitter because
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you'll get a call that's, and I remember very famously
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: in 2012, getting this call that said, turnout is way
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: down in Cuyahoga County where Cleveland is. Way down in
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the Cleveland precincts. And we are like very concerned. I
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: have to call Obama and tell him he's got to
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: put a suit on and start doing Cleveland satellite hits.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And in between calling him and leaving a message and
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: waiting for him to call me back, we find out
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that the turnout was not down. So for 40 minutes,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: we were in an absolute panic that maybe we had–
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: because you lose Ohio, we thought we were going to lose.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Total panic. Only to discover it's not that turnout was
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: down in Cleveland. It's that it was so high that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: they couldn't keep up with the numbers. And so we
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: were just getting our reports low. And then the other thing,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and this is, I think, relevant to election night in
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: some ways for us this time, is the moment that
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: we knew we were going to win in 2012 was
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: when the polls closed in Florida. Because if you remember,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and I think we've been reminded of this by some
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of these tweets that show what the polling averages were.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: The Obama was down in the polling averages to Romney
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: up until the very end, because both the Washington post
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: ABC poll and the Gallup tracking poll were giant pieces
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: of shit that were fucking everything up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: And there was so much last polling.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: So it was skewing everything. And we were so, we
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: were confident based on our data, we were going to win.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And we were like looking at our model and we
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: were trying to tell reporters, we had a gazillion conversations
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: with the idiots at Gallup trying to say, you're doing
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: this wrong. You're doing it wrong. And they very arrogantly
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: told us they were not. They then abandoned their entire
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: polling model. two days after the election, and I'm not
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: still bitter about it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Wow, that is a small and old grievance. I let
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: none of them go. But then when.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Florida came in and they dumped the early vote in
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: and we saw what the margins were, they'd matched our
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: model within a point. We knew we were going to
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: win at that point. But Fabs, you remember we ended,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: because Romney would not concede, that speech was so late.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: And we went back at the end of the night
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: with Plouffe and a bunch of other people to Axelrod's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: hotel room for our party. But all the.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Bars were closed. Men's shit got wild.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: But it was so.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Hacks on tap, you know? Hacks on tap late night.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: It was so late at night. There was nothing on tap.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: The kegs were kicked because they stopped serving booze in Chicago.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: And someone, it was neither you nor I... Tried to
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: convince the manager of the hotel that because we were
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: friends with Rahm, the mayor of the city, we should
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: be able to get booze. But it did not work.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: That's smart.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Bobulinski at the bar over here.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Can I read you.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Guys something crazy? I just saw Trump is apparently going
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: to watch election returns from the White House with Pence.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: But at Mar-a-Lago, they're hosting an event for 400 people
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: to watch returns. So if you want to pay a
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: ton of money... Go to Mar-a-Lago.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Of course he's not going to watch it at Mar-a-Lago
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: because he's going to be in the White House barricading
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: himself inside the White House in case he loses.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: He's making a pillow fort.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: This question is from Robert Pfeiffer, who I can only
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: assume is a relative of yours, Dan. How much CBD
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: oil is the maximum safe amount to consume in one night?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny you've asked that because that is
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: my relative. That's my brother. Yeah, I confirmed by text
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: this morning that was his question. Yes.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Thanks for a great question. Thanks for a great question.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: I did not know that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know if science has an answer, but we're
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: interested in you. Look, 2020 is all about untested medical
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: experiments on yourself. That is what this year has been about.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: And so keep us posted. Put it in the Lancet,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I'd say infinity.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're fine. Don't worry about it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Final question for you guys. For four years, we have
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: been out of the prediction business. We are not getting
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: back into it now.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Don't worry.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But in these final days, what is worrying you? What
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: is making you feel hopeful? Let's all start with worrying
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: so then we can all end on a high note.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Voter suppression.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Who wants to go first? Tommy says voter suppression.
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: It's the system. I am not worried that Donald Trump
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: has some magic trick up his sleeve, or he has
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: some closing message, or that Joe Biden's going to do
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: something to cost him this race. My concern is that
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: America has a completely fucked up, perverted political system that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: could collapse under this. That's the thing that keeps me
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: up at night.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I feel. I think our goal has
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: been to make sure that every does their part, donates, volunteers, votes.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I think everyone, no one is taking.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: It for granted.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Everybody is pulling out all the stops. And so what
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: stands in our way, it's not the sophisticated message or
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: argument for a second term by Donald Trump. It's the
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: anti-democratic forces we've been talking about, and they're very strong.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And at this moment, we don't know if democracy is
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: strong enough to overcome them. And that is what makes
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: me nervous.
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: And if we do lose, there will be so much hand-wringing,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: so much guilt, and so much shame. Because even that
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: is easier, I think, than facing just how unfair and
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: rigged this election was. And notions of legitimacy are always
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: grounded in the law and the process. But there is
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: legitimacy inside of the kind of campaign a person chooses
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: to run. And Donald Trump is not running a legitimate campaign.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about all that. I still have a little
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: bit of fear about the potential surge of, you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Trump voters who did not cast a ballot in 16
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that the campaign has registered since then showing up in
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: big numbers at the polls. I never underestimate Trump turnout. And,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I also, we have a number of voters,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: groups of voters who, who feel more comfortable voting in
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: person and not by mail and not early voting, especially
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: voters in the black community and the Latino community, young voters.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And a lot of this is like really hoping that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: they all turn out on election day. And I know
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that the campaign and other organizations are like intensely involved
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: in making sure that they turn out those voters and
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: help those voters turn out on election day. But you
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: could see the combination of a Trump surge with his
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: voters and a little less turnout among ours on election
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: day causing issues. But that's just a little something that
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: keeps me up at night. What's making everyone feel hopeful?
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Early vote. I mean, I share your concern that you
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: could see a big surge of Trump voters on Election Day,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: but a vote banked is a vote banked. And we're
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: also broken and burned by 2016 that we don't sort
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: of reflect on that fundamental point. And then if you
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: look at the early vote numbers in places like Florida,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: they're at 72 or 75 percent of their statewide totals
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: for 2016. Of those votes, like a quarter of them
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: are people who didn't vote in Florida in 2016. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: the data nerds have been able to figure out that
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Biden has like a nine point advantage among those people.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: So Democrats are voting early because we do vote by
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: mail and we are more motivated. But also among new voters,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: you're seeing suggestions that Democrats are doing well there as well.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: All of it could change, but it is hopeful.
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: Dan?
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I have to admit, I don't know whether it's the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: anxiety or the fact that I've been getting up at
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: three in the morning only to wake up to a
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: text from you with a state poll of middling quality
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: sent to me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I always send high quality polls.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: No way, man.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: You're a survey monkey stand. Trafalgar over here.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I never give you a Trafalgar poll. Nate Cohn or bust.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: But I've been, like in the last few days, I've
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: been getting... like it's been sort of like the whole
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: thing's been sort of emotional. Like I just spoke to, uh,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I just was speaking to the crooked media political meeting
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: and I got kind of choked up doing it. I
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: spoke at a staff call for the North Carolina, uh,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: field staff and got choked up and it is like,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: it didn't, I don't like, we do not know what's
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: going to happen. Donald Trump could still win this election.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: But if you think about where, where we were the
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: day after the election, 2016, And what has happened since
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: is that it didn't have to be this way. There
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: was an alternative scenario where people just checked out and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: they said, fuck this. If politics is this broken, that
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: this guy can be elected president with fewer votes, then
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I'm out, right? And the exact opposite thing happened. And
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: we've had this incredible privilege to see this back when
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: we could leave our homes and we would travel to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: do Positive America stuff, is that people became engaged like
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: never before, right? It started with the Women's March and
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: then people going to the airports and like the amount
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: of activism that people who have put so much on
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: the line and given so much of themselves to try
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: to take this country back to try to fix what
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: happened in 2016 is.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: It's like it.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's very inspiring and it is very hopeful in the
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: long run. And the fact that people kept doing it right.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: This is not a time where people have extra money
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: or extra time. People are working, are struggling in this
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: pandemic and they are still working their asses off. I mean,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I talked to a volunteer of, a votes of America
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: volunteer the other day, who is a first generation immigrant
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: cannot vote in this election and has been working his
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: ass off in Miami Dade County for months now. And
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, that is something that like for all the
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: darkness in America and in our politics, like that is
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: really fucking hopeful. And it's not something we've ever really
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: seen in a very, very long time.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: Well said. Love it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I was thinking about what we were worried
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: about at the beginning, right, in the early days of 2017.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: And I remember we had a lot of conversations about
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: whether or not our institutions would hold up. And I
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: think the jury is still out. And I think we
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: had a lot of conversations about the harm that Trump
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: could do and our fear that there would be a crisis.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: And that crisis happened. The crisis that we feared happened.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: And it cost us dearly. But at the same time,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: there was, especially after the Women's March, the protest against
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: the Muslim ban, there was this fear, right, that That
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: this coalition would be exhausted and that the kind of powerlessness,
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: the disenfranchisement that comes in facing a kind of, you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: improv authoritarian like Trump would exhaust people. That maybe they
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: would have protested at the beginning, but by the time
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: we got to 2018 or by the time we got
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: to 2020, that people would have given up, that they
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: would have been exhausted, that they would have run out
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: of steam. Or that just the stakes and the fear
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: and the anxiety and just disagreement would drive a rift
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: inside of the Democratic coalition. That happens when you face
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: an authoritarian like this. That happens when you face right-wing nationalists.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: And we head into this election with an incredibly united
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: coalition that runs all the way from the right of
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: our party- To AOC.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: And Bernie Sanders.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: AOC and Bernie to John Kasich and Cindy McCain and
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: the Lincoln Project. And everyone is under one big tent
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: and everyone has behaved.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: It's an extraordinary thing.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Everyone has behaved.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: And, you know, look, we will have, we will decide
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: what we think of the Lincoln Project come Wednesday.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: But it's like, it's sort of like a messy, silly coalition, right?
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: There's parts of it that make you roll your eyes
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: and all that. But like, By and large, everyone has
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: behaved and just sort of driven towards the same goal together.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: People have argued at times, but in the background, everyone's
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: been like, I want to be careful here because this
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: is the real threat, Donald Trump, and we got to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: sort of get together and focus on that.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: And that's extraordinary. That's an extraordinary moment in history. That's
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: never happened before. This has never happened before. We've never
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: faced a threat like this before, and we've never responded
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: like this before. And so I think a lot of
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: the uncertainty comes from that, but I think we should
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: be incredibly hopeful in what we built and what we
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: did together because- As Dan said, it just didn't have
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: to go this way.
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And I just, I mean, that all makes me hopeful too.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And I want to give a special shout out to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: all of the Vote Save America volunteers and everyone who
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: has volunteered and donated over the last four years. You know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: you guys have raised $ 42 million as of a few
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: days ago, over $ 42 million. Almost 300,000 people signed up
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: to adopt a state. 4,000 have joined the volunteer community here.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: More than 8 million calls made, 6 million texts, 600,000
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: unregistered voters have been contacted through our program. Two and
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: a half million total unregistered voters contracted through all of
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: VSA registration efforts. 27,000 poll workers recruited, 1,700 voter protection lawyers.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, that is a credit to all
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: of you. It is a credit to our unbelievable, fantastic
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: team at Crooked Media. Um, every single person who works
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: at this company, um, has, has been part of that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and made that happen. And, you know, you guys are
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: about to hear, um, some, some of the, from some
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of these volunteers, uh, and some interviews we did the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: other day, but like, you know, I had the chance
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: to talk to two of them and they, you know,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: one was 13 and one was 18. And I do think,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the, one of the many, many
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: reasons I want us to win on Tuesday is so
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of the young people who are involved right now,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: still believe that politics is worth it, that you can
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: make a difference, that organizing works, that activism works, and
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: that you can still hold on to that belief and
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: that we're not cynical about the ability to change this country.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: That to me is one of the most important things
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: about this election because that will sustain us for a long,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: long time. And you guys should all know that no
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: matter what happens on Tuesday, we will be here because
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden wins or Joe Biden loses. We're going to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: have a lot of fucking work to do. Probably going
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: to have a little more work to do if he loses.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: But we're going to have a lot of work to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: do if he wins, too. This fight does not end
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: with this election. Everyone should take a breath. Everyone should
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: hopefully relax and not think about politics for a little bit.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: But all of the forces that gave rise to Donald
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Trump are still going to be here the day after
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the election, even if we win. And we're going to
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: have a lot of work to do. So I hope
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: everyone who got involved And is organizing, is volunteering, sticks
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: with us and sticks with this fight.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: To quote someone cooler than us, we're not going back
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: to brunch. Now, that's because there's still a raging pandemic
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: and thousands of people are dying.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: But we're also going to have to keep working. We're
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: not going back to brunch with plexiglass dividers.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Too expensive.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Plexiglass is too expensive.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Too expensive.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Too expensive. All right. You will hear from some of
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: our fantastic volunteers and you will hear from us right
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: before polls close on election day on our live stream, cricket.com
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: slash election. And then we will have a full pod
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday. We'll see you on the other side.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: Holy shit.
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: My name is Enrique Roselle. I'm from Miami, Florida. I'm
• 59:39
  Speaker 11: a first-generation immigrant, and I've been volunteering with ballot curing
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: with the Miami-Dade Dems. I've been doing phone banks, text banks.
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: I've also been poll observing in front of one of
• 59:50
  Speaker 11: our local poll places, which has been really, really interesting.
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: So I've been trying to dip my toes into whatever
• 59:54
  Speaker 11: I can to help out and get as involved as possible.
• 59:58
  Speaker 11: First of all, I want to say, as a first-generation immigrant,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 11: things have been rough with my family growing up, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: there's always been this image that I had you know,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 11: of America and what I grew up hoping that America
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: was and thinking that America was and knowing that America
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: was and could be. And I think like, you know,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 11: I just didn't see that in the last four years,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: but starting off, I remember in 2016, I was 20.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: I had never been involved politically in a campaign. And
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: I remember the day of election day, I was so
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 11: full of nerves. I went home and I couldn't really
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 11: turn on the news and watch it all unfold, you know,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: with the electoral college. So I got home late from
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 11: work and instead of watching it, I just went straight
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 11: to sleep. And I remember at like three or four
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 11: in the morning, it was super late. My dad, so
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: my dad is also, he's high risk. I mean, he's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 11: obese and he's got diabetes. And the first time we
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: were ever able to have healthcare was with the Affordable
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 11: Care Act, with Obamacare. And I remember when Trump won
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 11: at like three or four in the morning, my dad
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 11: came into my room and woke me up. And I remember,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 11: I remember clear as day. He was like, Trump won.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 11: I don't know what's going to happen with my healthcare.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 11: I don't know if we're going to be able to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 11: get my weight loss surgery. I don't know what's going
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: to happen now. And he was so scared. And I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 11: don't see my dad scared very often. And that feeling
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: of hopelessness, you know, and that feeling of like just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: not being able to help my family and not being
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: able to understand what was going to happen in the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 11: future was, you know, really devastating. And I was really scared,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 11: you know, to start phone banking and stuff like I'm
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 11: sure a lot of people were because it's scary. I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: was like, am I even prepared, you know, to answer questions?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 11: Am I, you know, do I have the knowledge to help?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 11: You know, even with the training, sometimes it's a little
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: bit scary. I remember the first time that I was
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 11: ballot curing, I was going through and I was getting
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: a lot of voicemails, getting a lot of voicemails. And
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 11: I was on a Zoom call with a lot of people.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 11: And then somebody had a Spanish speaker and nobody in
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: the Zoom call except for me knew how to speak Spanish.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 11: And that's something that I really was so happy to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: be able to help with because my Spanish isn't perfect either.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 11: You know, I'm an immigrant here. So I live in Miami.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: I speak English most of the time.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: So my Spanish is a little choppy sometimes. But being
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 11: able to use my background and use my heritage and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 11: be able to help somebody who you know, another Hispanic person,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 11: make sure that their vote gets counted, you know, was really,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: really nice. So I remember hopping on the call with
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 11: this voter and helping her through the entire process of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: getting her ballot cured. And that's when I was like,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: totally hooked. I was like, I have to keep doing this.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 11: This is so great. So I really believe in Joe
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: Biden's plan. And I think that Joe Biden has a
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: great plan and the compassion that he displays, you know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 11: just the way that he handles everything. I think that's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 11: what I always thought America could be growing up, you know,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 11: and I really want to just live it in America again.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 11: where I feel proud and happy wearing the American flag.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: I remember growing up, my sisters and I would be
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 11: so excited for the 4th of July and to wear
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: the American flag and to go celebrate and look at
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 11: the fireworks. And that sentiment just hasn't been here the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 11: last four years. And I think that Joe Biden, and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 11: I think that with Joe Biden's plan, we can get
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: back to that America where I look at the flag
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: and I'm proud of what it means and what it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: stands for.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, Enrique.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Mr.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: Pfeiffer.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Man, I got to tell you, listening to you talk
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: was so inspirational and made me feel just so humbled
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: by everything you're doing. It is truly, you're incredibly impressive.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: The work you're doing is so critical. And I just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: wanted to say thank you.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 11: No, it means so much. I had no idea you
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 11: were going to be here. I thought it was somebody
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: named Kyle. This is so great. I mean, no, thank
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 11: you for all that you do. Like I said, I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 11: wouldn't be doing half of this if it wasn't for,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 11: for vote, save America. And, and I, you know, I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 11: listened to you guys, you know, and, and I love,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 11: you know, it just makes me feel a lot better,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 11: you know, about everything that's going on in the world.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: And I just love what you all are doing. And
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: it's really inspired me to, to keep doing this. You know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 11: I had always wanted to get involved politically, but if
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: it wasn't for your podcast, I probably would never have
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 11: found the avenue to, to get started. So I really
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 11: appreciate all your work and, and everything that you guys do.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, that, that means the world to her. And
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I just, I just want you, I know you're going
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: to work your ass off over these last few days here.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: You've been working your ass off for us a lot, but,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Take a moment and just reflect for a little bit
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: on what you're doing. Because this is one of the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: most important moments in American history. This is where we're
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: going to make a decision on where this country goes.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: And the fact that you have stepped up in this
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: moment when your friends, your family, your community need you
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: so much and you work your ass off to do this,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: like this, which is what you're doing is so inspiring.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I think because of your work and the volunteers all
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: across this country, I believe, as nervous as I am,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: but I know we all feel this way. We're all
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: freaking out. We're looking at it. what various Nates tell
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: us on Twitter about the polls. But if we keep
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: doing what we're doing, if more people do what you've
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: been doing all this time and we keep doing that
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: work for the next few days, I think you're right.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to wake up. I don't know
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: if it'll be Wednesday morning or Thursday morning, but we'll
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: wake up and we will be and we will set
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: this country in a much better direction. And the message
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: I've been trying to give everyone is we have to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: work through up until the moment the polls close on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: But that's just the beginning, because if we win this election,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: then the real work begins of fixing this democracy and
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: undoing the damage that Trump has done. But you're already there.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: You're already preparing to do that work. So I'm just
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: so grateful to you and humbled by what you're doing
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: and the idea that our podcast could have played the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: tiniest role in getting you more involved in politics is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: the entire reason why we started this thing. So thank
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: you so much.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 11: Definitely. No, it was, it was a, it was great
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 11: talking to you. Seriously. It was, it was awesome. Um,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 11: and I can't wait to, you know, keep listening, tell
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 11: everybody else. I say, hi, love them. They're great. Be safe.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 11: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 14: So my name is Mallory Zumbach.
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  Speaker 10: Uh, I'm based in Portland, Oregon. Um, My adopted state
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  Speaker 10: is Michigan. So that's been my primary focus, although also
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 10: helping out with other battleground states wherever I can. So
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  Speaker 10: my son just turned four a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 10: and that means that he was born a few weeks
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 10: before the 2016 election.
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  Speaker 4: So I during.
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  Speaker 10: That election cycle was very much like distracted by the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 10: fact that I was about to have my first child
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  Speaker 10: and not really.
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  Speaker 14: Do any volunteering.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think I donated like very minor amounts
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 10: of money to that campaign. And so, of course, at
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 10: the time, I lived in New York City and could
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: not actually stay awake for the election results that night.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: So woke up the next morning, it was just like, what?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 10: Like went to bed and it seemed fine. Woke up
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: and found out that Trump won. And that was just devastating.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 10: And I think just having this new little baby, it
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 10: was sort of like, what have I done? I brought
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: this child into this world where this person got elected.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 10: And that has haunted me literally ever since. And so
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 10: I think with everything that's been going on with COVID
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 10: and with Black Lives Matter and the issues with the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: police that we've been having and stuff, I was really
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 10: feeling sort of down about the fact that like, here
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 10: I am, the single mom, sort of stuck at home
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 10: with my four-year-old and like, what can I do?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 14: And then a friend, like a colleague from an old
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 14: job posted about Adopt-A-State.
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  Speaker 10: And I was like, oh, bam, this is perfect because,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: you know, I've always sort of lived in places. I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 10: grew up in Texas where it was very red when
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 10: I last was able to vote there. And then I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 10: lived in New York where it was always very blue.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 10: And now I'm in Oregon, also very much a blue state.
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  Speaker 10: And so I was like, that seems like a way
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: that I can really proactively help out in a manner
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 10: that will make you know, actual tangible change to help
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 10: out in the state that is this true battleground state.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 10: And I have a, I work in the music industry
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: and one of the catalogs that I represent is based
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: in Michigan. And I have several friends who went to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: college there and still have ties there. So I sort
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: of have these like small ties to it, but Michigan
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: just sort of jumped out at me as an option.
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  Speaker 14: So that's how I came to the whole BSA crew.
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  Speaker 15: I actually, um, had a text bank exchange with a
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  Speaker 15: woman in Michigan and she, um, thought that she couldn't
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 15: vote because she was a convicted felon.
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  Speaker 14: She had served her time and she had done her
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  Speaker 14: parole work and everything.
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  Speaker 9: And, um, I was.
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  Speaker 10: Actually able to like help her realize that she could
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 10: be re-enfranchised. So that was huge. I mean, I feel
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 10: like I have a great, at least one or two
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 10: like incredible interactions, pretty much every phone or text bank, um,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 10: I mean, I have never volunteered for a political campaign before.
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  Speaker 14: Anything in my life.
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  Speaker 10: Um, and now I'm like helping people, you know, in
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 10: real time with how to vote, how to track their ballot.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 14: So that's, that's been great.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 10: Um, we should all be really proud of the work
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: that we've done so far, but we can't stop yet.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 10: We have to keep going. And, um, I like, I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 10: used to run half marathons and there's like this concept
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 10: in distance running, um, it's called like having great kick.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: Like that's what makes the difference between a really good
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: marathoner and a great marathoner is somebody who can go
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 10: that incredibly far distance and then turn around and like,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 10: just pull.
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  Speaker 14: It out right at the end. That's what, you know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 14: helps people win races.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 14: So I think we're in that phase right now.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 10: Like we've, we've been running and running and we're tired
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 10: and we really just want to be able to go
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: home and take the nap that we want to take after.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: Our races run.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 14: But like, We can't do that yet.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: We have to dig down deep and find that last
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: bit of push, that kick, and really just give it
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 10: our all as we go through the tape, so to speak.
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  Speaker 14: So I know that we're going to be in it
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 14: to win it, for lack of a better phrase. in
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 14: these last few get out the vote days.
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  Speaker 4: Hi Mallory. Thank you so much. Thank you so much
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: for volunteering so much. Thank you for having such a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: great attitude too in these final days. Cause I know
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: that I am struggling with, to have a good attitude
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: right now. Not that I have a bad attitude. I'm,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: you know, equal parts fearful and hopeful, but I just
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: think it's a good reminder that we need to run
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  Speaker 4: through the tape, you know? Now, I've never seen tape
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: and I've never run toward it, but I'm glad that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: you have and I understand the metaphor.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
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  Speaker 14: I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not that best
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 14: of a writer.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Mallory, thank you for everything that you're doing, for
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: being a super volunteer. We're so grateful. Thanks for adopting Michigan.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: We've got to get Gary Peters back in the Senate.
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  Speaker 16: Gary gang.
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  Speaker 9: I'm all about it. Team Gary.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: The Gary gang. Got to get the Gary. The whole
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: Gary gang is doing a lot. We've got to win Michigan.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: All right. So thank you. Absolutely.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 14: Thank you so much. So nice of you to say thanks.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 14: And you guys are so inspiring.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 9: This is great.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 14: What you've done here is amazing. I'm so impressed by
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 14: all of it. So thank you.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: So my name is Autumn. I'm originally from Alabama, but
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: I live in Massachusetts. I've been living here the past
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: couple of years and I adopted Pennsylvania. So I've been
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: doing a lot of phone banking and texting and writing
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: letters and all of that kind of thing for both
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: down ballot races as well as for the presidential race.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: So I am, I'm an autistic woman and we, especially
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: those of us who are late diagnosed, we tend to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 8: struggle with comorbidities like depression and anxiety disorders, OCD, PTSD,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: things like that. So access to quality mental health care
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: is really, really important for my wellbeing. And I'm lucky
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 8: enough now to have that access, but most of my life,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: I didn't have that access. And I really had to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: basically gamble with tens of thousands of dollars in student
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: loan debt and move across the country, thousands of miles
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: away from my friends and family, from everyone that I know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: just to get a damn therapist. So I know that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: there are so many other people who don't have that option,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: who don't have the option to move across the country
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: for health care. And I know that there are so
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: many people who don't have the privileges that I've had
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: that have allowed me to get here in the first place.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: So many undiagnosed autistic people or misdiagnosed autistic people, particularly
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: Black and Indigenous people, end up in prison or worse,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: effectively for lack of access to good quality care. mental
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: health care. All of that said, fixing all of this
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: starts with getting Donald Trump out of office and And
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: phone banking, it can increase turnout by as much as 3.8
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: percentage points. So, you know, that's all I need to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: know to sort of like push through those anxieties and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: all of the things that make you reluctant to actually
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: like take that jump and get into volunteering. There's so
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: much that's rewarding about it. A lot of it is difficult,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: I'll be honest. You know, there's some days where you
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: kind of have to push through, but.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: Always, even on those days, there's always something that, um,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: that I can get really excited about. It's whether it's
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: even just the people, the community that we're volunteering with
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: has been so incredible, um, to be a part of
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 8: and the conversations with voters. That's the other big thing.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: You Do it even though you don't want to. Do
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: it even though you're tired. I mean, if you are
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: able-bodied and capable of it, then do it. There's no
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: reason not to because we need a landslide. And the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: way that we do that is if we all push
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: for those extra percentage points, we need to get every
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: single one. That means texting. It means phone calls. It
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: means talking to all of your friends. You have to.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 16: Get involved.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 17: Do it now.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 16: Go sign up for a shift.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Autumn. Hi.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 16: Hi, John Logan.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: Good to see you. Thank you so much for all
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: that you're doing and the volunteering that you're doing. Thanks
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: for telling your story. Thanks for being here. Thanks for
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: pushing other people to volunteer. Thanks for adopting Pennsylvania. How
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: are you feeling? Where's your head at?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 16: I'm feeling good.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: I'm feeling my head is at I can't think too
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: much or too hard about anything until November 4th. So
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: that's where my head is.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: How are you?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 16: Where is your head?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: Me?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 11: Oh, what?
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: It's, um, I'm embracing, I'm embracing the anxiety because I'm
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: trying to remember that this feeling doesn't matter.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Dread, dread is a fear of an outcome, but that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: the outcome is worse, right? If things go terribly, this
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: dread is nothing. And if things go well, this dread
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: is forgotten. So it doesn't really matter. You know, anxiety
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: is just your body caring, right?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I mean.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: It's your stomach wanting to win.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: It's 100% the thing that really drives me. It's just,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: I got to do something. I got to do something
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: with all this anxiety.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: What has it been like as someone who is neuroatypical
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: making calls?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 8: It was a journey just getting to the point where
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: I would do it.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 16: It's a lot.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: I'll be, I'll be square with you.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: Um, it's.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: Definitely, um, something that I had to really, really push
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: myself to do, but it's also, it's interesting because, um, it's.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 16: Really a lot like sales.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: I did work in customer service for a long time and, um,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: did a lot of like, I sold, um, mainly sold
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: discount cards at a bookstore. So that is surprisingly a
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: lot like phone banking. And that actually gave me a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: lot of the tools that I needed to be able
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: to do it.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: I like that. I like that trying to elect Joe
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Biden and prevent America from descending into a kind of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: you know, neo-autocratic, shambolic, failed state is a bit like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: getting people to.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Buy gift cards. I think that's nice.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: Discount cards.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Discount cards.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 9: Very small, but it's getting different.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: No, it matters. It's a big difference. You still have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: to get your credit card out, you know?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Well, Autumn, it was so nice to meet you. Thank
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: you so much for what you're doing. Thank you for volunteering.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Let's go win this thing.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: Yes, let's do it.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 16: Thank you for having me.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: And thank you for everything that you have all been
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: doing and for gifting us with this amazing community that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: we now have.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: Hi, Andrew. He, him, his on Hocum land in Phoenix, Arizona. Sam, he, him,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: same thing.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 17: We work in the entertainment industry, which has been annihilated
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 17: by the pandemic. And so we are in the unique
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 17: position of being fully unemployed right now and had the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 17: mobility to commit to full-time volunteering. And I feel like
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 17: a big reason to volunteer is for all of the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 17: people who actually can't and would like to be volunteering.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 9: We've known how.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 17: Important this election is, even as it's gotten more important
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 17: every day. And so as soon as we realized we
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 17: actually could clear out the space to really go hard.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: We knew we had to. And you can draw a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: direct line from what we do or anyone that works
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: in entertainment or hospitality to how this administration has handled
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: the pandemic. So you literally can say, if I do this,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: it is going to mean I can work sooner. I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: can return to a life that could possibly offer me
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 9: a paycheck. And also it's selfish. I'm a remarkably anxious
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: person and I don't want to wake up on November
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 9: fourth and feel like I could have done more. I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: want to wake up and say like, I am X
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 9: amount more broke because I spent a chunk of my
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: savings going to a swing stay. I want to wake
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: up and think I'm tired and my lower lumbar is
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: an intense pain because I walked so much. I'd rather
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: feel that than what I felt in 2016. That is
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: for sure. We have been in Phoenix for about a month,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: bouncing between Tempe, Mesa, all around. And we have been canvassing.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: We have been phoning folks. We've been doing all sorts
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: of other things. I think the most moving thing for
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: me is that humans are so hungry to talk to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: other humans. It's how we're wired. And in fact, canvassing
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: is like what we actually are made to do as
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: humans because we are social creatures with a social brain.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: And it is so rewarding to talk to people who
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 9: don't know where to go, who don't know that the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: election is on the third and not the fifth, who
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: are genuinely undecided. And the highlight for me is, which
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 9: is both an uphill battle for us in the future,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: but critical right now, is everyone is getting terrible information.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: Anyone who is undecided right now, it is because they
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 9: do not have clear information. So a lot of our
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 9: work is just saying, hey, here's what we know about that.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: And having that real connection with humans has been so
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: moving and worthwhile. I would also add.
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  Speaker 17: That just being in Arizona, it has really, I think
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 17: one of the more awful things that's happened in the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 17: last four years is that Democrats and Republicans have become
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 17: like cartoon versions of themselves. And like the bias is
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 17: so real. Like you look at some and you assume
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 17: certain things. And we're in Arizona, which neither of us
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 17: are from Arizona. We've never spent time in Arizona. And
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 17: we're pretty much always wrong if we're making a guess
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 17: about like someone's values or how someone's going to vote. And,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 17: you know, being in we're in Maricopa County, we're in
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 17: the biggest swing district in the country. and seeing the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 17: move of Republicans for Biden, seeing the move of Mormons
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 17: for Biden. It's just like a vision of frankly, like
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 17: how democracy works and like how many people care about
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 17: this election that I think we certainly have never seen
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 17: living in New York and Los Angeles. And it has
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 17: frankly given us a lot of faith in human beings
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 17: to not just be garbage. We also, we saw Kamala
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 17: speak yesterday, which is one of the cool things about
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 17: being a volunteer. It's like sometimes the candidates are around
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 17: and she said, I think I'm paraphrasing, but she said
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 17: that democracy is only as strong as our willingness to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 17: fight for it. And feeling that with our bodies right now,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 17: like feeling that intersecting with people from everywhere, right? people
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 17: of all ages intersecting with people who are actually willing
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 17: to unite around a thing, seeing that physically, like actually
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 17: participating in that, I think no matter what happens with
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 17: the election is like enough to power us through for
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 17: a little while. And I don't believe in like shaming
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 17: people into volunteering, but I do really like wish that
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 17: everyone can participate in this as an act of joy,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 17: because that really is what it feels like.
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  Speaker 11: Hi.
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  Speaker 4: How are you guys?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: I was just listening to you all morning. You were
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: giving me additional anxiety.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for all the work you're doing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: And thank you for all the incredibly lovely moving reasons
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: you're doing it. I especially liked, uh, faith in human
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: beings to not be garbage. That, that really resonated with me.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 17: Like, why is that like, not like, shouldn't that be everywhere?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you would think that that would be, um,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: you know, a good reason for all of us to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: do something. Listen, I just, you know, we just wanted to,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: first of all, hear your voices, get people on the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: podcast itself who have done so much work and who, like,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: obviously I have no idea if Joe Biden is going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: to win or not, nor does anyone, as evidenced by
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: John and Dan's just dripping anxiety on the most recent podcast.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: But if we do win, I think it's going to
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: be because a lot of people stepped up and worked
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: their asses off and gave like so much of themselves
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: and their time and their money to this cause. So
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: we just wanted to say, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: Wow. Oh my God.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: Thank you all.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 9: Thanks for all the work you're doing.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
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  Speaker 17: We know so many people who are volunteering because of
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 17: the work that you're doing.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 9: So we really, it means a lot.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks for connecting. It means the world to me. It
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: means the world to John and John and Dan and
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: our whole team. And so just thank you.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: Yes, my name is Salvatore Bizzaro. I am originally from Italy.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 7: I came when I was 15 and a half. I'm
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: an immigrant to the United States, and I really care
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: about the immigrants and what they can contribute to the
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 7: United States. I am making phone calls in Florida to
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: the Latin population of Florida. Not only in Miami-Dade County,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: but also in Central Florida and some calls in Northern Florida.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: But mostly concentrated on Miami and the Sarasota, Tampa area
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 7: and Orlando as well. I always do things, you know,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: I always volunteer to try to elect Democrats. And since
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: I vote in Florida, I decided that was a very
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 7: pivotal state and needed me reaching some Latino communities. I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: have spoken mostly with Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Venezuelans, and Cubans.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: The most rewarding part is when I ask them whether
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: they can ask two or three more people to vote
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: for Biden, you know, to vote on the Democratic ticket.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: And I got an answer from one family. I said, well,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: in my household, four people voted for Biden. And then
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: I got another answer in Miami-Dade County. This woman said, well,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 7: We have a family of 10 people in two households,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: and we all voted for Biden. And the most rewarding
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: one was one yesterday from Miami-Dade County as well, when
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 7: this woman told me that 20 people voted for Biden
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: in her family. So those are the most rewarding ones.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: I get some pretty bad calls as well, you know.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 7: You have to be very vigilant because we know how
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: Republicans might steal elections. We have seen that in the
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: past and it's much more of an effort now. So
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: don't be afraid to make phone calls. Even if you
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 7: get one person to vote for Biden, it's a good deal.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, Mr.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Bizarro, this is Tommy Vitor. Hi, Tommy.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: Nice to meet you.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, too.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: I see you on TV all the time. All my
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 7: favorite TV programs.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to say thank you so much for
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: everything you're doing for the Vote Save America program, for Adopt-A-State,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: and also for letting GC work with us. He's basically
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: single-handedly propped up the company as every other sponsor is.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Slowly fired us during a pandemic. He was the only
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: person on the planet that was able to bring in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: new sponsors and actually help us continue to build out
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: this team that allowed us to have this whole Vote
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Safe America program. So we owe you a hundred times over.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: Listen, if he had not worked for you and had,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: for example, accepted a job from Rush Limbaugh, I told him,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 7: it's up to you to do whatever you want to do,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: but don't ever call me again. But he would not,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: you know, he didn't accept the job. That was before you.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: I was listening to your stories earlier and the story
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: about calling a house where 10 or 20 people tell
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: you that their family voted for Biden is like, it's
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: music to my ear. It's the only thing that's calming
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: my anxiety today.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 7: Well, that's good. I make about 100, 150 calls a day.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: That's incredible. And are they all going to Florida?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they're all going to Florida.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: God, that's amazing.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: That is such important work. Again, I still have no
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: idea if Biden is going to win. But I think
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: if he does, the difference this year is people like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: you making that many calls. And it just wasn't happening
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: in 2016. There just wasn't that energy. Right.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: I'm very afraid that I wake up after the same
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: way that I did in 2016. But I'm hoping a
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: little bit more this time.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 7: I'm more hopeful.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: We're all, I think, we're all scared, but I've just
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: been amazed at how many people are channeling that fear
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: into work and enthusiasm and something really good. I'll let
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: you get back to all the calls, but thank you
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: again and have a great day.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: Yes, thank you very much. Thanks.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 16: My name is Maddie. I'm from the middle of nowhere, Georgia.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 13: I have volunteered in my adopted state of Pennsylvania, but
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 13: I've also been volunteering a lot in my home state
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 13: of Georgia because it's a very competitive state here. I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 13: have been doing a lot of phone banking and text
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 13: banking in Pennsylvania. It's been for Biden and for down-ballot candidates.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 13: And then here in Georgia, I have been doing work
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 13: for John Ossoff in his Senate campaign. I decided to
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 13: volunteer because this is my first election ever. I just
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 13: turned 18 last month and I voted for the first
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 13: time last week, which was really exciting.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 16: And I decided to.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 13: Get involved because this election is the most important of
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 13: our lifetimes.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 16: As we can see, You know, elections have consequences.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 13: We just saw Amy Coney Barrett get put on the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 13: Supreme Court for her entire life. You know, that's a
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 13: 40-year conservative Supreme Court. So four more years of Trump
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 13: in the White House would be disastrous to my entire generation.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 13: I think for me, the most rewarding part is the
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 13: voters who are voting for Biden, the people who just
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 13: became citizens, and this is their first time being able
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 13: to vote. The people who ask questions hey, I want
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 13: to volunteer. I think my favorite conversation I ever had
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 13: was with a woman in Pennsylvania. She was 78 years old,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 13: I believe. And she said that she had voted in
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 13: every election since, I think it was like the early 60s,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 13: she said. And she told me, she was like, how
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 13: old are you? You know, you seem pretty young. And
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 13: I told her that this was my first election. And
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 13: she said that it made her so happy to see
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 13: all of these people getting out there.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 16: And she even asked me how to become a.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 13: Poll worker in Pennsylvania, because even though she was 78
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 13: and at risk, she felt that this election was just
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 13: too important that she was willing to go and help
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 13: people cast their vote because she just believed that democracy
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: is important. And she's very excited to be voting for
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 13: Joe Biden and all the Democrats. And that call just
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 13: gave me hope because I feel there's a lot of
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 13: uncertainty around this election in this year. But women like
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 13: her and all the voters that I've talked to that
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 13: have been like, yes, I'm voting for Biden.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 16: I'm so excited. Let's go.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 13: Those calls, just one person can make the whole difference
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 13: in this election. It's so rewarding to just connect with
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 13: people and to the volunteers, I just want to say
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 13: thank you. I know that's really cliche, but one volunteer
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 13: reaches one more voter, reaches five people. It's like the diffusion,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 13: the six degrees of separation or whatever it is. Talk
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 13: to the people immediately in your life. If they've voted,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 13: see if they want to volunteer. See if they want
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 13: to adopt state and help out people in that state.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 13: Just talk to people. Talk to them in person if
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 13: you can. If not, try to avoid just... Social media
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 13: is good, but I really think that we could all
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 13: just spend a little bit of time not screaming on Twitter.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 16: Just up until the election... I would like to see
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 16: some just humanity.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 13: Let's all just be positive and optimistic and go into
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 13: this election that no matter what the outcome is on
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 13: November 4th, we will know that we did everything that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 13: we can do.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: Hey, Maddie.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Hi.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 9: Hi.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you. And look, I
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: currently have 538 up on the screen. And then on
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: my other screen here, I've just been scrolling Twitter. So
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: despite all that, just listening to you give those answers
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: to Elijah has been the most inspiring part of my day.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: And I know you talked about callers giving you hope,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: but you give me hope.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Especially the fact that you are 18 years old and
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: and dedicating so much time to doing this i was
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: not doing that at 18 years old i wasn't i
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't really politically active until college but um you feeling
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: good about georgia kind of um.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 16: So the senate debate was last night i'm not sure
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 16: if you saw.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: John ossoff was amazing yes i.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 13: Woke up this morning and saw him destroy david purdue
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 13: which was amazing Absolutely.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: Amazing.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that John Ossoff had it in him.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 16: Oh, he has it in him. One of my friends
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 16: actually saw him last week in.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 13: Athens on the University of Georgia campus and said that
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 13: he was a phenomenal speaker.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 16: And he really is. And his ads are also really good, too.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 16: They're everywhere. So I feel kind of good.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 13: I don't know if we'll flip both our seats being realistic,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 13: but I think if we can flip Purdue's seat, that would.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 16: Be really rewarding.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know either, but Georgia would be
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: so sweet to win. Like, I mean, just especially after,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: you know, in 18, I was like so excited about Stacey,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and her campaign and then have talked to
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: her since then. And just the sheer amount of work
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: that all of you have done in Georgia to energize people,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: register people, like turn into a purple state, maybe turn
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: into a blue state. It is very inspiring. And the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: fact that no matter what happens on Tuesday, Georgia is
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: going to be a competitive state for, um, for the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: future for good is just, it's just amazing. So, um, well, anyway,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I just, I just wanted to say, thanks. Like, I
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: hope that you are incredibly proud of the work that
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: you've been doing. And I hope that whatever happens on Tuesday,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: that you stay engaged and active in politics because you know,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: the world needs you and you should also know and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: feel good about what you've done so far because at
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: a moment when the country was in danger and democracy
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: was in danger, like you stepped up and you did
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: your part and you'll be able to say that for
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life. And that's, that's something pretty special. Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: So keep up the good work and, uh, you know, let's, uh,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: let's run through the tape, you know?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 16: Thank you so much for all of this.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 18: My name is Herschel Doby. I'm living and volunteering in Arizona.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 18: I'm only 13. I can't vote in this election or
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 18: the next one. So why am I making thousands of
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 18: calls to voters? One, I listened to Jon Favreau's podcast,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 18: The Wilderness. Two, he introduced me to an amazing local candidate,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 18: Christine Marsh. And three, no matter how many Marvel movies
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 18: I watch, There's just no such thing as superheroes. So
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 18: there's just normal people doing the right thing. And right now,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 18: the right thing is to help people vote. As a volunteer,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 18: I've talked to so many people who hear discouraging messages
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 18: about voting. It won't count.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 18: But the truth is encouraging. Your vote will count. It
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 18: does matter. How you choose to vote today has the
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 18: potential to give us all a better future. And being
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 18: able to give people that information and help them know
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 18: what they need to do, it feels really good. I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 18: talked to this one man a few days ago. He
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 18: hadn't heard of any of the candidates I was talking about.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 18: I was actually phone banking for some state Senate candidates.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 18: So I stayed on the line while he looked through
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 18: all of their websites. And he just kept on telling me,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 18: I like these people. I think I'm going to vote
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 18: for them. I went through all my talking points. I
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 18: told him about text updates, everything. And just afterwards, it
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 18: felt like he knew everything he needed to know to
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 18: go vote. I'm only 13, so I don't have social media.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 18: But if any of you find yourselves freaking out or
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 18: doom scrolling on Twitter, just take a deep breath and
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 18: remember to focus on the important thing. And that is
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 18: having one-on-one conversations with real people. A tweet isn't going
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 18: to change someone's mind. A like isn't going to make
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 18: people vote. But what will help is giving people the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 18: information and encouragement they need to make the right choice
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 18: come election day.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: Hey, man.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: How's it going?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 14: It's going well.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 18: I'm kind of tired, but I could not be more energized, honestly. Jittery,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 18: bordering on freaking out, but still energized.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I will say that just
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: listening to your advice... Right now, that is like advice
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: for me too. I need to just have some more
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: one-on-one conversations instead of doom scrolling through Twitter because I'm
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: on a roller coaster of emotion right now. How are
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: the calls today? How are the phones?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 18: I have not had a shift yet today. I have
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 18: a four to six one for Christine, but phone banking
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  Speaker 18: during the week has been so much better than than
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  Speaker 18: on the weekends.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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  Speaker 18: I think it's because a bunch of big organizations like
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  Speaker 18: VSA are just absolutely bulldozing all these states with calls,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 18: but calling on like a weekday night, I've had like
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 18: a 10, 15% contact rate.
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  Speaker 9: So it's been nice.
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about Arizona?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 18: I feel really good. I've been calling a lot of
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  Speaker 18: persuasion lists and like for every two diehard Trump supporters
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  Speaker 18: I get, I also get a lot of people who
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 18: are like, Oh yeah, I'm going to vote for him or,
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  Speaker 18: Oh yeah, I like Mark Kelly. It's cool that he's
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 18: an astronaut.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. I feel pretty good about Arizona too. I
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  Speaker 1: have ever since we did that episode in the wilderness
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  Speaker 1: when we did Southwest and we talked to Christine Marsh,
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  Speaker 1: I've been, I've been bullish on that state. So I'm
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: glad you're on a team AZ. I just wanted to say,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: and I know, you know, I've said this before, but
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to thank you for doing this and,
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  Speaker 1: and not just for volunteering. I mean, I know you
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: said that, uh, They're no such thing as superheroes, but
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  Speaker 1: you're pretty close, man. I have to tell you, for
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  Speaker 1: a 13-year-old to be, you are well beyond your years.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: And you have a wisdom and a way to inspire
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: people that most 20, 30, 40, 50-year-olds don't have. And
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: so I really, the future is bright for you. And
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: I hope that whatever happens on Tuesday, you stay involved
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: and engaged in politics because We need you. And when
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I say we, I mean everyone who cares about politics
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: and the country. So please stay involved and please stay
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: engaged because it is rare to find people as talented
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: and hopeful and inspiring and just as dedicated as you are.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: So we're really grateful for.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: You, man.
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  Speaker 18: Thank you. I'm grateful to you for inspiring me and
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 18: getting me into this.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to do whatever I can. Five more days, man.
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  Speaker 11: Bring it home.
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  Speaker 18: Five more days.
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  Speaker 6: Oh God.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: All right, buddy. I'll let you get back to your life.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 18: This was a lot of fun.
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