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GLAM AU PAIR, 23, PLOTS STAB DEATH OF BOSS’ WIFE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, did a glamorous au pair just twenty
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Speaker 2: three scheme an elaborate murder plot where her boss turned
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Speaker 2: lover's wife is found stabbed dead? And just how did
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Speaker 2: a complete stranger who happens to be a bondage and
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Speaker 2: disciplined fetishist end up shot dead on the floor beside
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Speaker 2: the wife. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime
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Speaker 2: Stories and I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: This morning. At seven nine am, we received a cell
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Speaker 3: phone nine one one call that was an open line
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Speaker 3: hang up. That call was captured and noted, and thirteen
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Speaker 3: minutes later, at eight oh two am, we received a
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Speaker 3: cell phone nine one one call from the very same
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Speaker 3: cell phone, and two persons communicated with our nine one
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Speaker 3: one call taker, the husband of this home, who I
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Speaker 3: am not going to identify beyond identifying him as a husband,
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Speaker 3: and the pair who resides in this home, who I
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Speaker 3: AM not going to identify beyond describing her as an
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Speaker 3: O pair. At that eight h two nine one one
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Speaker 3: cell phone call, the husband and the O pair communicate
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Speaker 3: with the nine one one call taker. The husband tells
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Speaker 3: the nine one one call taker that he just shot
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Speaker 3: a man inside of his home, and the husband tells
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Speaker 3: the nine one one call taker that the man who
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Speaker 3: he had just shot had stabbed his life.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I got so many questions just based on what
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Speaker 2: I just heard.
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Speaker 1: So how did this loving.
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Speaker 2: And faithful wife that we know of end up stabbed
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Speaker 2: dead in the family home? And then a complete stranger
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Speaker 2: who happens to be into bondage and discipline? What's he
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Speaker 2: doing in the home and he's dead? Now another thing
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Speaker 2: I find highly curious. And let me just go straight
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Speaker 2: out to Barry Golden for a senior inspector for the
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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service, old owner of Golden Consulting Investigations. Barry,
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Speaker 2: when you've got a double homicide, typically sheriffs and you
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Speaker 2: were just hearing the Chief of the Fairfax County Police,
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Speaker 2: Kevin Davis speaking. Normally they give you more information and
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Speaker 2: you rarely hear them say the husband who I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to name, and the au pair who I'm not
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Speaker 2: going to name.
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Speaker 1: That just makes me want to know who are they
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Speaker 1: more than ever.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, we now know that the husband was a
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Speaker 4: federal law enforcement officer and a person trained. So when
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Speaker 4: that person finds out that an unknown male is in
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Speaker 4: his house. Okay, you're a trained law enforcement officer. If
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Speaker 4: you're like most law enforcement officers, wherever you go, you
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Speaker 4: take your firearm with you and you go back to
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Speaker 4: the house, You're gonna wonder who is this guy? Is
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Speaker 4: he robbing? Is he doing something to my wife? So
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions that I have. What
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Speaker 4: happened in those seconds when he arrives back at the
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Speaker 4: house and then goes upstairs, what did he hear? What
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Speaker 4: was going on where there's screams? And then what happens
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Speaker 4: when he gets to the door. A lot of those
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Speaker 4: answers right now haven't really been filled in. We kind
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Speaker 4: of jump from he arrives at the house too, he's
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Speaker 4: in the bedroom.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Barry Golden, you're perfect for these questions with me
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Speaker 2: an all star panel. I'm going to get to everybody
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Speaker 2: in just one moment. Barry Golden a for senior Inspective
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Speaker 2: with the US Marshall Service. And let me tell you something.
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Speaker 2: You want something done, you call the US Marshals. They
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Speaker 2: will find your guy no matter where they are or woman.
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Speaker 1: Barry.
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Speaker 2: But another question I'm asking is why is LA law
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Speaker 2: enforcement withholding the name not only the husband, but the
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Speaker 2: twenty three year old of pair.
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Speaker 4: Well, at that point in time when that Chief of
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Speaker 4: police gives that statement, that's probably early on that same day,
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Speaker 4: an hour hours right after the incident. So they want
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Speaker 4: to keep some of that information close to their chest.
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Speaker 5: Right now.
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Speaker 4: It's early in the investigation, so they don't want to
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Speaker 4: identify everybody at that point in time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, Okay, I will accept that right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will accept that. I think you're right about that.
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Speaker 2: They didn't really understand what was happening or what they
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Speaker 2: had hold of.
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Speaker 1: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to more from Chief Kevin Davis, Fairfax County.
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Speaker 3: The first nine to one one call came from me
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Speaker 3: what we now know to be the O pair celphone.
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Speaker 3: One call was an open mic, nothing distortable on that
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Speaker 3: call was a quick hang up. We noted that call.
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Speaker 3: Thirteen minutes later from the scene nine one one from
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Speaker 3: the same cell phone, a nine one one call was
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Speaker 3: made and on the phone was first CEO pair communicating
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Speaker 3: with us, and then she apparently handed the phone to
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Speaker 3: the husband. The husband communicated with us, and that's when
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Speaker 3: the husband told us that he shot and killed a
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Speaker 3: man inside of his home. And that's when the husband
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Speaker 3: told us that the man who he shot and killed
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Speaker 3: was stabbing his wife.
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Speaker 2: Oh Man Alexis Tereshchak joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 2: This is very complex, so I just want to take
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Speaker 2: it one step at a time. So the husband comes home,
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, he goes in the home. As Barry
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Speaker 2: Golden pointed out, something led him to pull his weapon,
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Speaker 2: to draw his weapon.
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Speaker 1: But there were two nine one one calls.
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Speaker 2: The first one nobody said anything and then hung up,
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Speaker 2: and then there was a second nine one one call.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: That's exactly right. There was a nimal one call and
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Speaker 6: it had an open line, which meant that the operator
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Speaker 6: could hear, but nobody was communicating the saying, you know,
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Speaker 6: please come help me. There's been a break in. Somebody's
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Speaker 6: being shot or murdered. So they immediately that I will
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Speaker 6: automatically send the police officers. The operator will send the
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Speaker 6: police officer to the home and open nine on one
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Speaker 6: call is very suspicious. Thirteen minutes later, they get a
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Speaker 6: second call and it is from the O pair's phone,
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Speaker 6: and this is where the husband has said I have
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Speaker 6: shot somebody because they were stabbing my wife.
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Speaker 1: Oh, sister Rastchuk is joining us some crime online dot com.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the area I've got
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Speaker 2: Fairfax County. I looked at an aerial shot and some
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Speaker 2: other information. It looks like it's pretty swank.
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Speaker 6: This is a very nice area. It's in northern Virginia.
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Speaker 6: It's the suburb of Washington, d C. Excellent schools, large home,
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Speaker 6: a quiet neighborhood, not at all known for crime that
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Speaker 6: you know is known a little bit north of there
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Speaker 6: in Washington, d C. Fairfax's news is a very safe,
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Speaker 6: very family oriented area.
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Speaker 1: Very wealthy too, you know.
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Speaker 2: To Amanda Rieman joining us from this jurisdiction. Amanda, you
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Speaker 2: can find her at Acrieman dot law R I E
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Speaker 2: M A n Amanda.
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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking about the area.
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Speaker 2: I don't care necessarily from where the victim heils. But
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Speaker 2: when you've got a really upscale, high priced neighborhood like this,
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you see the homes in that neighborhood,
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Speaker 2: they're mega mansions. This is where the politicians and a
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Speaker 2: lot of our rich people live that have to go
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Speaker 2: into d C to work. The reason that is important
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Speaker 2: to me right now, is because it lowers my suspect pool.
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Speaker 2: If there's anything amiss about the husband's story, then I've
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Speaker 2: got to think of a suspect pool in an.
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Speaker 1: Enclave like that, a lot less suspects.
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Speaker 2: You don't have people selling crack on the street, you
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Speaker 2: don't have protesters out in front of the house, you
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Speaker 2: don't have a homeless camp one block away. It really
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Speaker 2: reduces the number of potential suspects if the husband's story
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Speaker 2: doesn't pan out. He's also a father, by the way,
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Speaker 2: hence the O pair. What about the neighborhood.
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Speaker 7: So the neighborhood in Fairfax, Virginia is Northern Virginia. NOVA
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Speaker 7: is the abbreviation for it. Nova kids, NOVA parents. They're
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Speaker 7: all a little upscale. And the reason why is because
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Speaker 7: jobs are close to DC. It borders our nation's capital,
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Speaker 7: and the nation's capital pays a lot more money than
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Speaker 7: other areas in Virginia, whether that's Southwest Virginia or the
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Speaker 7: south and so because of this higher income, you end
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Speaker 7: up having people who can afford nice things. They can
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Speaker 7: afford a living nanny, an all pair who is living
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Speaker 7: with them, who is taking care of their four year
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Speaker 7: old child. And so this is something that probably shocked
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Speaker 7: the neighborhood. It probably said chills up people's spine because
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Speaker 7: these neighbors that they've known, perhaps there's never even been
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Speaker 7: an each OA issue or a trash can that's not
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Speaker 7: been drug back to the garage. So something like this
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Speaker 7: is not only shocking to the neighborhood, shocking to the area,
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Speaker 7: but shocking for this specific venue and that career the
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Speaker 7: people in this you know area, there's a lot of
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Speaker 7: government workers, as the husband was employed, there's some clearances,
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Speaker 7: there's a lot of threshold you've got to get through
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Speaker 7: to be able to get to that caliber of job
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Speaker 7: clearance and that caliber of housing and name. It is
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Speaker 7: very very out of character for that area as well as.
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Speaker 5: The Commonwealth.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist, trauma specialist, author of The
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Speaker 2: Path to Self Love and World Domination. Doctor Heidi Green,
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Speaker 2: lying on the floor beside Mommy is a bondage fetishist.
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Speaker 2: Now explain to everybody that may not have handled BDSM
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Speaker 2: murders like a few of us have, what is BDSM.
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Speaker 5: BDSM is essentially a type of erotic roleplay and the
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Speaker 5: people that engage in this sort of activity are mixing
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Speaker 5: pleasure and pain.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what what does b DSM stand for? Bondage, discipline, satoh,
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Speaker 2: massissistic is my understanding?
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Speaker 1: What do those four words mean in your world? Doctor?
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Speaker 5: So the bondage is pretty self explanatory. This is where
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Speaker 5: participants are literally tying each other up. Could be with ropes,
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Speaker 5: could be with tape, but there's this element of restricting
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Speaker 5: one of the participants. And when we have the discipline
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Speaker 5: also sometimes called domination, we're looking at activities where one
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Speaker 5: person is playing the role of a more submissive character
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Speaker 5: and the other person is delivering domination or discipline to
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Speaker 5: that person in the submissive spot. Now, when we're talking
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Speaker 5: about sadism and masochism, we're looking at the difference between sadism,
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Speaker 5: which is finding enjoyment from inflicting pain onto another person,
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Speaker 5: and really specifically here we're talking about getting sexual pleasure
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Speaker 5: out of inflicting pain on a partner, and then on
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Speaker 5: the flip side, the masochism, that's where the individual is
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Speaker 5: getting sexual pleasure out of receiving pain.
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Speaker 2: Guys, as much as I would just love to talk
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Speaker 2: about b DSM more, I want to get back to
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Speaker 2: the double murdyrs. Take a listen to Chief Kevin Davis,
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Speaker 2: Fairfax County.
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Speaker 8: The one caller that called nine one one told us
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Speaker 8: that there was a man inside the home shot and
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Speaker 8: there was a woman inside the home who had been stabbed.
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Speaker 3: Our patrol authors responded immediately. They found a man shot
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Speaker 3: inside the home who was deceased. The woman was still alive.
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Speaker 3: The woman who had been stabbed was still alive. She
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Speaker 3: was transported to a local hospital and she died at
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Speaker 3: the hospital. So a man was shot and killed inside
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Speaker 3: the home, a woman was stabbed and she died from
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Speaker 3: her stab wounds that occurred inside the home as well.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, doctor Jan Gorniac, a renowned forensic pathologist,
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Speaker 2: former medical examiner in Clark County.
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Speaker 1: That's Vegas.
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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business for the medical examiner in Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gorniac, thank you for being.
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Speaker 9: With us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how these two murders went down. First
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Speaker 2: of all, you've got the fetishist, as he's being called.
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Speaker 1: He's got a name, Joseph Ryan.
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Speaker 2: He is shot dead, which, depending on where the gunshot
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Speaker 2: wound occurred on the body, could have been instantaneous. We
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Speaker 2: know a special agent shot him, an IRS special agent.
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Speaker 1: Was it to kill shot? Don't know yet.
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Speaker 2: But I want to speak about the female victim, the wife,
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Speaker 2: the mother of a then four year old little girl.
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Speaker 2: This woman multiple stab wounds she suffered, Doctor Gorniac, did
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Speaker 2: you hear the share of the deputy state that she
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Speaker 2: actually passed away at the hospital?
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Speaker 1: What is it like? What does a human go through
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Speaker 1: when they exanguinate?
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Speaker 9: So these are the cases that are low on my
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Speaker 9: list of cases I quote unquote like to do because
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Speaker 9: you know that stab wounds is not just one and done.
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Speaker 9: So she had multiple stab wounds. And so you're just
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Speaker 9: not going to lay there or stand in front of
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Speaker 9: somebody and let them stab you. There's going to be
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Speaker 9: a whole lot of movement in trying to get away.
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Speaker 9: Sometimes people even grab the knife and have injuries to
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Speaker 9: their hands. So when someone gets stabbed and they are
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Speaker 9: bleeding mostly in internally safe from a stab wound to
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Speaker 9: the heart or to the lungs, it's not a quick death.
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Speaker 9: So they're going to go into shock. First, they're going
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Speaker 9: to have internal bleeding, they're going to go into shock,
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Speaker 9: and then they're going to go unresponsive. So when I
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Speaker 9: heard the sheriff. I believe it was saying that she
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Speaker 9: was still alive. I'm not sure when we think of
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Speaker 9: alive that's what she was. I don't think she was
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Speaker 9: talking or communicating with the nine one one MS personnel.
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Speaker 9: I bet she still had a pulse. She's still probably breathing,
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Speaker 9: but shallow, shallow breathing, and that's why they transported her.
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Speaker 9: But essentially her heart was still going. She was still breathing.
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Speaker 9: That equals being alive. But I don't think she was
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Speaker 9: alive in the sense that we think of when someone
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Speaker 9: say they were still alive.
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Speaker 2: Alexis Teraeschuk, investigative reporter for Crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Alexis, you have a a beautiful boy. I've got the twins.
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Speaker 1: I don't want.
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Speaker 2: The only thing they have of their mother or father
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Speaker 2: are pictures. This little girl is four when her mother
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Speaker 2: is stabbed dead beside apparently a bontage fetishist. That I mean,
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Speaker 2: all she has, all she's gonna have the rest of
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Speaker 2: her life are these pictures.
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Speaker 6: She never got to know her mom at four years old.
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Speaker 6: This is it. She had just such a short amount
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Speaker 6: of time, so her mom had they'd hired an a
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Speaker 6: pair a nanny from Brazil to take care of their family,
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Speaker 6: something so many families around the world do.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about this girl?
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Speaker 2: Twenty three year old Juliana macgalis.
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Speaker 6: Twenty three years old. She's from Brazil. She came to
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Speaker 6: live with the family. She was there nanny for quite
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Speaker 6: a few months, taking care of the four year old daughter.
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Speaker 6: Mom work, dad work. She would play with her, she
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Speaker 6: would take care of her and was really part of
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Speaker 6: the family. She was living in the home, so she
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Speaker 6: became that. She traveled with them, she worked with them,
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Speaker 6: She lived with them twenty four hours a day. She
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Speaker 6: was really like a fourth member of the family. So
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Speaker 6: she is the one that called nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, got it?
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the events leading up
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Speaker 2: to a double murder?
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Speaker 1: Listen?
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Speaker 10: Christine Banfield plans a fun day for her four year
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Speaker 10: old daughter with a trip to the National Zoo with
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Speaker 10: her Brazilian o pair Juliana Perez Moghales. They leave their
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Speaker 10: Fairfax County, Virginia home, but turn around when Perez Magaales
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Speaker 10: realized that she forgot their bag lunches. Arriving at the house,
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Speaker 10: the ol pair sees a car she doesn't recognize and
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Speaker 10: a man she doesn't know entering the house. Confused, she
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Speaker 10: calls her employer, Brendan Banfield, who tells her to stay
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Speaker 10: in the car. He will get there right away. Banfield
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Speaker 10: is at the house in minutes and they enter the
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Speaker 10: house together. The al pair takes the four year old
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Speaker 10: girl to the basement while Brendan Banfield goes upstairs to
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Speaker 10: the master suite.
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Speaker 2: How did an innocent day at the National Zoo with
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Speaker 2: the Brazilian pair end up with a double homicide in
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Speaker 2: the family home in this upscale, ritzy part of Fairfax County, Okay.
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Speaker 2: Back to Alexis teresta Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 2: So let me just start at the beginning, as much
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Speaker 2: as I want to rush to the double homicide. So
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Speaker 2: that morning, the mother, Christine, goes to work as an rin.
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Speaker 2: The husband, we think, goes to work with the Iris,
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Speaker 2: and that's what we think is going to happen. But
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Speaker 2: the pair, Juliana Margallie, turns back because she realizes she
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Speaker 2: forgot all of the lunches she made for the little
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Speaker 2: girl at the zoo. She gets back, she sees the
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Speaker 2: car she doesn't recognize and a man she does know
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Speaker 2: entering the house. Okay, right there, I got a problem,
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Speaker 2: Alexis Tereschuk. If I see somebody coming in the house,
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Speaker 2: why do you stop outside the house and call the husband?
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Speaker 1: Why would you suspect anything was wrong exactly?
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Speaker 6: You would think, oh, maybe he's here to repair the
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Speaker 6: washing machine or something. But she, I guess, had not
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Speaker 6: expected the mom to be home, not expected Christine to
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Speaker 6: be home, and so she called the husband and said,
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Speaker 6: something really strange is going on. There's a car outside.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. He shows up very quickly at the
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Speaker 6: home and the two of them go in the house.
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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing.
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Speaker 6: She takes the daughter into the house where there's a
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Speaker 6: stranger in the house, which also seems very strange. And
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Speaker 6: to hide in the basement. I would think you would
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Speaker 6: want to hide outside with the child so you could
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Speaker 6: get away, not take the child.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're that afraid, why not call nine
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Speaker 2: to one one? And where does this guy work? If
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Speaker 2: he's an IRS agent, and I'm guessing he can meets
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Speaker 2: into DC. How did we get back to the house
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Speaker 2: so quickly? Anyway, just a few questions jumping to mine.
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Speaker 2: So let me make sure I understand this to Barry Golden,
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Speaker 2: former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service. Now this is where
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Speaker 2: the au pair, for an inexplicable reason, decides she's got
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Speaker 2: to take the baby girl to the basement and hide.
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Speaker 2: You know what, when I see somebody coming in the driveway,
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Speaker 2: I don't go hide in the basement.
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Speaker 1: I think, oh, it's.
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Speaker 2: An Uber delivery, it's an Instacart delivery. It's somebody here
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Speaker 2: to fix the fan. I don't know, but I don't
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Speaker 2: run and hide in the basement. That said, she runs
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Speaker 2: and hides in the basement, and from what I understand,
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Speaker 2: the husband goes upstairs. And then suddenly this complete stranger,
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Speaker 2: upon seeing the husband start stabbing the wife.
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Speaker 1: Why would he do that? He's dead, he can't tell us,
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Speaker 1: but something stinks.
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Speaker 2: Exactly Mary, I guess I'm trying to ask, is if
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Speaker 2: you're a fetishist and you're there for fetish sex BDSM,
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Speaker 2: ty each other up, fine, have at it. And the
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Speaker 2: husband walks in, why would you stab the wife?
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Speaker 1: Why won't you.
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Speaker 2: Just say, oh, I'm sorry, I put your clothes on
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Speaker 2: and leave.
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Speaker 4: This is where this story has probably more questions than answers,
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Speaker 4: because those few seconds where this husband walks upstairs and
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Speaker 4: he finds his wife, who is nude at the time,
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Speaker 4: and this guy that he doesn't even know, and he
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Speaker 4: has a knife in his hand. And think about this.
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Speaker 4: This is a master bedroom, so you have a large bed,
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Speaker 4: you have furniture around there. And he enters the room.
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Speaker 4: The O pairs downstairs and she hears someone say drop
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Speaker 4: the knife, and so she runs upstairs. And so here's
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Speaker 4: a train lawnch forcem an officer and I had to
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Speaker 4: really look for it to find it in media outlets.
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Speaker 4: But at that point in time, from what I read,
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Speaker 4: the mister Ryan had the knife to the throat of
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Speaker 4: the wife and that's when mister Banfield encounters him. And
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Speaker 4: then from what I read, he starts to stab her
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Speaker 4: on the neck and that's when he shoots Trader in
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Speaker 4: the head at that point, probably doesn't kill him, but
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Speaker 4: then he falls to the ground. But the really confusing
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Speaker 4: part is, you're a trained law enforcement officer, you're trained
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Speaker 4: in firearms, you trained twice a year. Why do you
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Speaker 4: need to ask the O pair, Hey, go get the
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Speaker 4: other gun in the bathroom in a safe. This is
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Speaker 4: the codetand that that is just mind boggling. Why would
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Speaker 4: a trained law enforcement officer need the help of a
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Speaker 4: nanny who's barely trained, has little training in firearms for
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Speaker 4: help and.
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Speaker 2: Then not only ask her to go get the gun
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Speaker 2: Barry Golden, he asked her to come in and shoot
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Speaker 2: Ryan through the heart as he's down.
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Speaker 4: Yes, uh huh, he is justified at that as as
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Speaker 4: just a person. He's justified if he is in that
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Speaker 4: close proximity of the wife and he still has a
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Speaker 4: knife and he is not dead yet or the action. Look,
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Speaker 4: law enforcement, the standard is shoot to stop the action.
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Speaker 2: That's why Amanda Riemann joining us high profile lawyer out
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Speaker 2: of this jurisdiction Virginia. That is why I'm going through
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Speaker 2: what we know literally line by line, just like I
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Speaker 2: would if I were trying this case in front of
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Speaker 2: a jury, because each fact is so important. Now, one
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Speaker 2: fact that's come to mind, Alexis told me this earlier.
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Speaker 2: The husband told the nanny, we've been told to go
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Speaker 2: downstairs with the basement, into the basement with the little girl.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's answered. But why, okay, how did he know
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Speaker 1: who was home?
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Speaker 2: How did he know it wasn't a friend of the
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Speaker 2: mom's or a repairman or the carpet cleaner.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Why do you immediately pull your weapon and tell the
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Speaker 2: nanny to go hide in the basement. Okay, that's one thing,
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Speaker 2: but Amanda, each line significant because when the husband tells
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Speaker 2: the nanny, the twenty three year old Brazilian nanny, to
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Speaker 2: go and get his block out of the safe and
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Speaker 2: gives her the code to come shoot the guy in
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Speaker 2: the heart, that's where you lost me.
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Speaker 1: I'm not on board with this story anymore. I'm jumping.
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Speaker 1: I'm out.
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Speaker 2: Something's not right that one fact. I mean, I had
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Speaker 2: to suspend his belief a little bit, but it was
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Speaker 2: that's so fantastical. I had to reject it. Now it is, Amanda,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 7: And I have to disagree with Barry a little bit
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Speaker 7: in his analysis as far as the justification for.
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Speaker 1: The shot.
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Speaker 7: So in Virginia we have something called a self defense
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Speaker 7: legal defense, so you can't assert, hey, I was acting
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Speaker 7: in self defense, but three elements have to be true.
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Speaker 7: It's a three proned analysis. Number one, I reasonably believe,
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Speaker 7: number two that that force is necessary, and three to
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Speaker 7: protect yourself from an imminent harm from that other person.
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Speaker 7: So if he has already shot the guy in the head.
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Speaker 7: What in the world is necessary that he needs to Hey,
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Speaker 7: it's okay for you to come up from the basement.
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Speaker 7: I've got time to tell you the code to unlock
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Speaker 7: the lock, get my gun, run up the two flights
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Speaker 7: of stairs at a minimum, and now shoot him again.
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Speaker 7: That doesn't make sense, and I don't buy that defense
25:55
Speaker 7: of self defense.
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Speaker 4: What I was referring to is that the husband could
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Speaker 4: have shot him again right there. He didn't need the
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Speaker 4: help of the O pair. He could. He was justified
26:05
Speaker 4: with him being the perpetrator being so close to the wife.
26:10
Speaker 4: If he was right there with his arm around the
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Speaker 4: wife's neck and he already cut her, he is justified
26:15
Speaker 4: he and shooting him once or as many times as
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Speaker 4: he needs to to stop that action so the wife
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Speaker 4: is safe. That's what I was getting to. Why would
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Speaker 4: he even call the O pair to go get Why
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Speaker 4: does he need help? He's a federal agent trained in firearms.
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Speaker 4: Why would he need the help of a person that's
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Speaker 4: not nearly as trained as he is to oh, go
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Speaker 4: get the gun and come over here. That part just
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Speaker 4: is mind boggling to me. I do not understand that,
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Speaker 4: and that's where it really gets muddy.
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Speaker 2: Now, what more are we learning from Chief Kevin Davis
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Speaker 2: about the identity of the guy who's been shot not
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Speaker 2: only in the head, but also shot by the resilient
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Speaker 2: pair and the heart listened.
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Speaker 3: The male deceited, the found dead inside the home shot
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Speaker 3: to death. First named Joseph, middle named Nathan, last name Ryan.
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Speaker 3: He's thirty nine years old. The female decedent who was
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Speaker 3: stabbed inside the home transported to a local hospital, pronounced
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Speaker 3: dead at the hospital. Her name is Christine Ann Banfield.
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Speaker 3: Christine Banfield is thirty seven years old. There were two
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Speaker 3: other adults inside the home during this timeframe. Of the
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Speaker 3: two other adults inside the home I previously described as
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Speaker 3: the husband and I previously described as the OA pair,
27:39
Speaker 3: there was a four year old child inside the home
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Speaker 3: who obviously were not identifying. She is unharmed and she
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Speaker 3: is with the Fairfax County Police Department.
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Speaker 2: Did Joseph Ryan have all the answers? We'll never know
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Speaker 2: because he shot dead in the head by the husband
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Speaker 2: and in the heart by the pair. But we're learning
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Speaker 2: a little bit from Chief Kevin Davis.
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Speaker 1: Listen, he does not live here.
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Speaker 3: I stated at the earlier press conference that there was
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Speaker 3: no fourced entry whatsoever. This is not a home invasion.
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Speaker 3: He appears. Well, here's what I can say right now,
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Speaker 3: it's certain he did not force entry into the home,
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Speaker 3: and I don't know exactly what the nature of his
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Speaker 3: presence in the home is all about just yet.
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Speaker 11: Joseph Ryan is known to Christine Banfield. The pair have
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Speaker 11: reportedly been talking on an adult fetish site. Banfield has
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Speaker 11: a profile there and in conversations with Ryan arranged for
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Speaker 11: a round of rough sex at Banfield's home.
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Speaker 1: What okay? White? What white? White? White? Alexis Tereschuk.
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Speaker 2: So, from what we're learning, Joseph Ryan had a profile
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Speaker 2: on a fetishist website, and the mother, the wife, the nurse,
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Speaker 2: got on the website and made contact with this guy
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Speaker 2: and he shows up like she invites him over to
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Speaker 2: tie her up and have sex, like bundles the baby
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Speaker 2: off with the nanny.
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Speaker 1: I'm just not seeing the connection.
29:21
Speaker 2: I'm just not of course, you can't look at a
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Speaker 2: book and judge it by its cover, but I'm just
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Speaker 2: not seeing it less so does she also the mom
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Speaker 2: also have a profile on the fetishist site.
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Speaker 6: I'm not sure if the mom herself had a profile
29:38
Speaker 6: the way that the police have described this is that
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Speaker 6: there was an account that was made from the.
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Speaker 1: Home crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Heidi Green, clinical psychologist and trauma's specialist and author.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Heidi very often I hear people say, gosh, she
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Speaker 2: didn't look like a child molester. He was the baseball
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Speaker 2: coach or the soccer coach. You don't know what's going
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Speaker 2: on in people's minds. I mean, I look at this mom,
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Speaker 2: and she looks so happy. She's thrilled with her pregnancy,
30:24
Speaker 2: the baby's only four, she loves her job, She's got
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Speaker 2: these big, beautiful smiles in every picture.
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Speaker 1: But photos and posts online can be very deceiving.
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Speaker 2: I'm just having a hard time imagining her bringing in
30:41
Speaker 2: a complete stranger she's never met, and on day one,
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Speaker 2: according to what we've learned on their interactions online, on
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Speaker 2: day one, she ends up dead.
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Speaker 5: It's certainly suspicious, and there's a lot that's suspicious here.
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Speaker 5: And when we look at things through a psychological lens,
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Speaker 5: so many of the reports that have been made here
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Speaker 5: about people's behavior just doesn't make sense. And so it's
31:07
Speaker 5: hard for me to believe at this point, with the
31:09
Speaker 5: information that we've been given that everything actually happened the
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Speaker 5: way that the husband and the ol pair have described it,
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Speaker 5: because again from just a human behavior standpoint, too many
31:20
Speaker 5: things don't add up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking it through.
31:23
Speaker 2: And you know, Barry Golden US Marshall Service, you and
31:28
Speaker 2: I both handle more cases than we can even count.
31:32
Speaker 2: I'm just finding it very difficult to take in what
31:38
Speaker 2: I know about the mom, the likelihood that she hooks
31:42
Speaker 2: up with a fetishist into bondage domination and on day
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Speaker 2: one they meet as she ends up dead.
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Speaker 4: So strange, I mean, And the guy enters the house
31:55
Speaker 4: and the old pairs outside seeing him walk in the house,
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Speaker 4: and within a minute or two from the husband arriving
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Speaker 4: and then also entering the house, and now he has
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Speaker 4: a knife, the wife is naked, and he's in the
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Speaker 4: bedroom upstairs. You know those are those are you know,
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Speaker 4: strange questions. But you have one person who is not talking,
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Speaker 4: and no one person is the husband, who is a
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Speaker 4: federal law enforcement officer. He has taken the Fifth Amendment
32:25
Speaker 4: right to silence during court proceedings. If you're if you
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Speaker 4: have nothing to hide, if you walk in there you
32:32
Speaker 4: find a stranger in your house, and a stranger that
32:35
Speaker 4: has a knife to the throat of your your wife. Okay,
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Speaker 4: physical harm to kill your wife, and you're justified in
32:45
Speaker 4: firing at this person to stop him from killing your wife.
32:49
Speaker 4: What do you have to hide? Why wouldn't you give
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Speaker 4: a statement to the police and say this is what happened,
32:56
Speaker 4: this is what I saw, and this is what I did.
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Speaker 4: They're only two shots fired. I had to really look
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Speaker 4: for this in doing research on this. There was one
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Speaker 4: shot fired by the husband and one shot fired by
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Speaker 4: the pair. Two shots.
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Speaker 2: As we suspected, all is not as it seems. Apparently
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Speaker 2: the refutation of this mother has been dragged through the mud.
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Speaker 11: Listen investigators say, however, they believe it was all a ruse,
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Speaker 11: that someone else created the profile on the adult fetish
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Speaker 11: website pretending to be Christine Banfield. In fact, investigators believe
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Speaker 11: Ryan's murder was part of an elaborate plan to kill
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Speaker 11: Christine Banfield so her husband Brendan, and their Brazilian live
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Speaker 11: in o pair could be together. Investigators found pictures of
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Speaker 11: Banfield and the pair together in the Banfield bedroom in Perez.
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Speaker 11: Magalis's clothes were found hanging in the Banfield's closet, not
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Speaker 11: her own.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what did I just hear, Alexis Tereschuk explain.
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Speaker 6: So, after the crime, after these two people are killed
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Speaker 6: in this home, the police spend months investigating. They come
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Speaker 6: back to the house to interview the couple, bathe, the dad,
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Speaker 6: and the nanny who's still living with them taking care,
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Speaker 6: and they realize that the nanny the old pair has
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Speaker 6: moved into the main bedroom, the master bedroom where Christine
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Speaker 6: was murdered. Her clothes are hanging in there, and there
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Speaker 6: are framed pictures of the nanny and of the husband
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Speaker 6: together in the room, like she has just completely moved
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Speaker 6: in and taken over at the mom's place in the home.
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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me the status as it is right now, Alexis.
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Speaker 6: So, the o pair has been charged with murder in
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Speaker 6: voluntary murder, I believe, and she is going to stand
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Speaker 6: trial for not the murder of the mom, not Christine,
34:37
Speaker 6: but of Joseph Ryan, the man who is claimed that
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Speaker 6: he had been he came to have kinky sex with her.
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Speaker 6: But nobody has been charged with the murder of Christine,
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Speaker 6: and it hasn't been stated that Joseph Ryan killed her,
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Speaker 6: and the husband hasn't been charged either, and one other
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Speaker 6: thing I want to say about the guns is that
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Speaker 6: a local gun range, a woman who worked there reported
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Speaker 6: that she had seen the nanny and the husband at
35:06
Speaker 6: the gun range learning to practicing shooting months before Christine
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Speaker 6: was murdered.
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Speaker 7: And at the shooting range the gun that they were
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Speaker 7: practicing with ended up being the murder weapon.
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Speaker 2: How coincidental And I'm sure that has matched up with ballistics.
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Speaker 2: But guys, so far only the au pair is charged.
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Speaker 2: To listen to Chief Kevin Davis, we.
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Speaker 3: Still have a lot of work to do to identify
35:32
Speaker 3: who exactly. We have to prove it who exactly shot
35:36
Speaker 3: and killed our male decedent, Joseph Ryan, and who exactly
35:41
Speaker 3: stabbed Christine Danfield to death. We know what our nine
35:45
Speaker 3: to one one caller, the husband told us, but we
35:48
Speaker 3: have a lot a lot of work to do to
35:51
Speaker 3: substantiate that claim. He is not charged, She is not accused.
35:56
Speaker 3: He was present at the home, he was involved in
35:59
Speaker 3: looking to our investigation, and the status of folks may
36:04
Speaker 3: may change over time, but right now, he was present
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Speaker 3: inside the home and involved.
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Speaker 2: So Doctor Jane Gornia, the last thing Mommy sees is
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Speaker 2: the au pair and her husband.
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Speaker 9: Yes, so we know that allegedly the husband shot, you know,
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Speaker 9: mister Ryan as he was stabbing the mom, and then
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Speaker 9: the pair comes in and shoots mister Ryan a second time.
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Speaker 9: There are so many and I'm not a law enforcement officer,
36:36
Speaker 9: but as a forensic investigator, death investigator, I have so
36:39
Speaker 9: many questions. And like you said, if he was shot twice,
36:43
Speaker 9: where are the projectiles because there would be two different projectiles.
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Speaker 9: So I'm just wondering, how do they know which shot
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Speaker 9: was the shot that caused his death?
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Speaker 6: And then.
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Speaker 9: The timeframe I think it's going to be if and
36:58
Speaker 9: when they church somebody with the mother's murder, the timeframe
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Speaker 9: of injury between you know, what could mister Ryan have
37:07
Speaker 9: been doing if he was shot? That time frame is
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Speaker 9: going to really play a big part, especially had she
37:14
Speaker 9: got into the hospital sooner, could you have survived? Because
37:17
Speaker 9: we know there is there was a timeline. Obviously the
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Speaker 9: husband shot mister Ryan and then instead of staying called
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Speaker 9: nine one one, my wife is stebbed, you tell somebody
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Speaker 9: to go get another gun, so that time is missed.
37:31
Speaker 9: So there's going to be so many more clues and
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Speaker 9: forensic evidence that's going to come out that's going to
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Speaker 9: piece this together.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is where I think we're going to get
37:41
Speaker 2: a lot of evidence is from the adult fetish website. Clearly,
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Speaker 2: someone pretending to be the mom Christine Banfield goes onto
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Speaker 2: the website and solicits Ryan to come to the home.
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Speaker 2: As soon as we can figure out all of that out,
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Speaker 2: we'll have a clearer picture of how Mommy was stabbed dead.
38:06
Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, and now we stop to
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Speaker 2: remember American hero Georgia State Trooper Jimmy Zenescar, just twenty eight.
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Speaker 2: Trooper zennesscar struck by a vehicle while pursuing a suspect Atlanta,
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Speaker 2: Studying criminal justice at Georgia Gwinnett College. In twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 2: he rescued a driver who had driven off a bridge.
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Speaker 2: Recently awarded a merit at the three hundred Club for
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Speaker 2: outstanding service. He leaves behind a loving fiancee, Natalia, and parents,
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Speaker 2: and his sister and four brothers. American hero Georgia State
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Speaker 2: Trooper Jimmy Senescar. I want to thank all of our
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Speaker 2: guests for being with us tonight, but especially to you
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Speaker 2: for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 2: signing off, good night friend,