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202: One Moore Episode · Podlandia: A-O Rewatch with Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch Hey, hey, hey, watch,
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  Speaker 1: watch Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch Hey, hey, hey, watch,
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  Speaker 1: watch You're watching Podlandia.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Keri.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a rewatch.
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  Speaker 1: A Portlandia rewatch podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm very excited to talk about this episode.
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  Speaker 2: Me too. I want to quickly acknowledge that we were
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  Speaker 2: wearing these clothes for the last podcast episode. One, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've You know me. I like to wear the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to create a high bar where people
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  Speaker 2: think that I have so many clothes that I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to change them all the time. I want to
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  Speaker 2: just be comfortable. Same.
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  Speaker 1: I just wish it was just like a uniform.
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  Speaker 2: A uniform. Eventually, we will settle on a uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For now, we will just do some repeats.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Some comfort repeats.
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  Speaker 1: And this is twice in a row we've done this one.
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  Speaker 2: Twice in a row.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't do laundry in between.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Never.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, not never, but no. No laundry in between.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the second time we've worn it. This
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  Speaker 1: is season two, and this is episode two. So two
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  Speaker 1: is the magic number today.
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  Speaker 2: This episode, we were just saying before we started recording,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll repeat it. One of our all-time favorites. Yeah. Truly,
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  Speaker 2: I think if I was going to show someone Portlandia,
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  Speaker 2: And they, and they asked me what episode, where should
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  Speaker 2: I start? I might have them start here. This would
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  Speaker 2: be one of five episodes. I would show them. Same. Yeah. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's very satisfying. I just, yeah, just creatively artistically. This
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  Speaker 2: feels very satisfying to me. A lot of things that
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  Speaker 2: we were trying for feel like we were able to
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  Speaker 2: pull them off in this episode, particularly with the wraparound,
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  Speaker 2: which again is the three-part sketch. the through line, and
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  Speaker 2: this one to me is one of the most satisfying
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  Speaker 2: ones we did, most successful.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm glad how we, I'm happy about how I
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  Speaker 1: was executed as well. Yes. Like we really.
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  Speaker 2: That we were able to pull it off.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Because there's a lot. And what would seem
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  Speaker 1: like a nonsensical tangent is very logical. It all works.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Towards the end. the idea of the sketch itself. The
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  Speaker 1: main one being one more episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's the name of it.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get to that, we will start with
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  Speaker 2: the cold open. Before we dive further into this episode
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  Speaker 2: that now we're really raving about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I know. We apologize. I'm sorry to rave about it,
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  Speaker 1: but where an episode didn't work as well for us,
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  Speaker 1: we'll make sure to address that as well.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about the stuff that we don't love. But also,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say, One false modesty can be obnoxious,
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  Speaker 2: but more than that, we truly enjoyed making this show,
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  Speaker 2: which is one of the reasons we're doing this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: because we're still friends. We were friends before Portlandia. We've
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  Speaker 2: been friends since Portlandia. And we are proud of what
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  Speaker 2: we've done. And I would rather approach it as like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're proud of this than when we are actually proud
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  Speaker 2: of something. Anyway, onward. The cold opened. Allergy parade.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Allergy pride. Parade. Allergy pride parade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that we're proud of our allergies, which I
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  Speaker 1: think people are. I think people do kind of embrace
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  Speaker 1: the specialness of their allergies.
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  Speaker 2: The specialness of anything that just, you know, sets them apart,
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  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, from someone else. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: this is something we discussed a lot in the writer's room.
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  Speaker 2: Just when something that's, uh, a trait or a preference
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  Speaker 2: becomes an identity, right? It crosses over from, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just a mere, you know, a description or characteristic and
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  Speaker 2: really becomes an identity. I think that's something that we
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  Speaker 2: just dwelled on a lot and discussed and there's different
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  Speaker 2: iterations of that idea. It's one of the things I
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  Speaker 2: would say that we were exploring and critiquing about culture
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, just like throughout the whole show. Yeah. And,
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  Speaker 2: and what is that? Not just again, not other people,
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  Speaker 2: but what is it about ourselves? You know, that what
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  Speaker 2: it is about me that like take something and it's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: this needs to be what I'm known for. This is
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  Speaker 2: my identity. We've talked about that a lot with, with music. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that, that just becomes, you're taking it so personally.
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  Speaker 2: And we certainly observed, um, this with some people's allergies.
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  Speaker 2: We both have, Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it is kind of, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Just even the way I said that was like,
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  Speaker 2: just so you guys know, I also, I understand I
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  Speaker 2: have an allergy. I'm so annoyed. If I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could take a cane and remove myself
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  Speaker 2: from the stage right now. As if I need to justify, like, just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I really understand. I also have an allergy.
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  Speaker 1: I have this affliction. But there is something about like
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  Speaker 1: at a restaurant, there is, I think everyone feels this way.
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  Speaker 1: Where it's not like, oh, what a bummer that I'm
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  Speaker 1: bringing everyone down about my allergy. It's a little bit like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? This is part of me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm allergic to avocado. Those words kind of like, it's
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  Speaker 1: like real estate. At this table.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so commanding.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, this is my world.
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  Speaker 2: I heard you say it the other day.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the reaction. It's like we've all been trained
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  Speaker 2: to just be like, oh my God. You know, like I,
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  Speaker 2: let me create some space for your allergy. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's absolutely normal at a restaurant. I went,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was for my birthday this year and
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  Speaker 2: I have, you know, friends with allergies or dietary preferences
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  Speaker 2: and there were separate menus. There were like three or
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  Speaker 2: four menus, you know, and that's, yeah, it's just part
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  Speaker 2: of the way we operate now is to just sort
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  Speaker 2: of you know, cater to those differences. And yeah, I,
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  Speaker 2: am I just because I feel like you shared. So no,
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  Speaker 2: I have to share what my allergies are. Um, soy,
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  Speaker 2: it's very specific kind of soy allergy. And this makes
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  Speaker 2: me extra special. Um, it's an exercise induced allergy. So
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  Speaker 2: it's called exercise induced anaphylaxis.
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  Speaker 1: Stop laughing.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, I didn't know I had a soy allergy
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  Speaker 2: because it only like happens, manifests when I exercise and
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  Speaker 2: it's like I sweat and my heart rate goes up
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  Speaker 2: and the histamines just go crazy. So I would eat
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  Speaker 2: soy or tofu or soy sauce or whatever and be fine.
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  Speaker 2: And then every once in a while, every couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: I would like go to the gym or sometimes I,
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times it happened. I would perform with
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  Speaker 2: my band Slater-Kinney on stage and I'd be sweating, jumping
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  Speaker 2: around and I would have these terrible allergic reactions. I
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  Speaker 2: would have covered in hives, but it happened so rarely
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  Speaker 2: that I wasn't able to pinpoint when it was. And
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  Speaker 2: then eventually it happened kind of in quick succession. And,
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  Speaker 2: and this was the worst reaction that I've ever had. Um,
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  Speaker 2: my face, I mean, my eyes were swollen, swollen, shut, um, Um, I,
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  Speaker 2: every time, by the way, I end up in the ER,
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  Speaker 2: like it's, Oh, it's that serious. Yeah. And, but this
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  Speaker 2: time it was, it was getting worse, but also I
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  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, it had just happened a month before.
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  Speaker 2: And I sort of put two and two together, but
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  Speaker 2: also at the ER, you know, they were like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you should get, you know, get tested. Um, cause before
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  Speaker 2: I didn't, I thought it was just from exercising or
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  Speaker 2: sweating or something. And they were like, it might be
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  Speaker 2: related to food. Um, or something you're ingesting, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: those are just soy. So for years, I just, if
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  Speaker 2: I ate anything with soy, yeah, I wouldn't exercise afterwards
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  Speaker 2: or sweat in any way. But I still eat soy.
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  Speaker 2: But I just don't do anything active. I just sit
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  Speaker 2: on the couch afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So my allergy feels a little more special than yours.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely is. The lightness of my allergy is what makes...
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  Speaker 1: Mine feels special. Mine is that my mouth just gets itchy.
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  Speaker 2: That's a con a contact allergy.
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  Speaker 1: And I like the lightness of it. It's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit like, cause then I've got to tell a story.
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  Speaker 1: So when they're like, Oh, we'll make sure that I'm like, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay. If there's some avocado in here, right. I
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  Speaker 1: won't die.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. That is part of your story is reassuring.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like you, yeah. You have to reassure people
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  Speaker 2: that like, it's actually not life threatening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like, I bring them in and then like,
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm going to, you won't be responsible for
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  Speaker 1: my death. So it's both. It's a few things at once. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also allergic to hazelnuts, by the way. But the
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  Speaker 2: contact allergy part.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it makes my mouth a little itchy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also allergic to apples, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I have another one, too, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: hear it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Let's hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Pitted fruits. Okay. So, I mean, keep going. What else
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  Speaker 2: do you have? Walnuts. Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing. Just itchy mouth.
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  Speaker 2: What about environmental stuff? Do you get hay fever?
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  Speaker 1: Hay fever, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you have a big one. Dogs. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Dogs where if I pet them or they lick my skin,
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  Speaker 1: I get little hives.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's a real one. And I am such a
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  Speaker 2: dog person. And you have befriended two of my dogs.
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  Speaker 2: My current dog is a little antisocial, but my two
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  Speaker 2: previous dogs, R.I.P., Toby and Cricket, loved you and you,
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  Speaker 2: to your credit, loved them and pet them. And then
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  Speaker 2: you would just go wash your hands. Yeah. Which to
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  Speaker 2: me is the best version of being, I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 2: some people just can't even get near them, but you
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  Speaker 2: were able to like hang out with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Which I appreciated. Um, this is a good example
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  Speaker 2: of probably how the writer's room went, which is just
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  Speaker 2: us telling these stories and then creating a sketch with a, um,
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  Speaker 2: about analogy pride parade, where we played the, um, parade, um, hosts.
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  Speaker 1: Or commentators, commentators, correspondents.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, yeah. And people are going by on floats and.
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  Speaker 1: And it's well, I like the way it was shot.
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  Speaker 1: Like I like, it feels like a parade. It's like
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  Speaker 1: little floats going by and it really spells out the
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  Speaker 1: idea that, you know, everyone's sort of singing their own
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  Speaker 1: song or whatever, doing their own chant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, my character is named after, My mother's husband.
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  Speaker 2: And mine's named after my mom. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So very parental there.
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  Speaker 2: Very parental. And then my character actually eats something with
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  Speaker 2: an ingredient she's allergic to, dextrose.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then passes away and joins the parade in a hearse.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. She's at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's the ending.
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  Speaker 1: Good, solid, cold open. Yeah. We had an idea and then. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: it made sense on screen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. All right. Now we get to this wraparound. So,
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  Speaker 2: so very, in a very, this was felt very zeitgeisty.
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  Speaker 2: Like people, this was kind of the early stages of
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  Speaker 2: binge watching, like people, you know, in the, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: streaming era, also people binge watch DVDs too. So obviously
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  Speaker 2: DVDs like these, you know, a show would end and
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  Speaker 2: you could buy like a box set of a show.
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  Speaker 2: And so even just the term like binge watching, this
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  Speaker 2: is like as it's starting to like happen and people
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  Speaker 2: are talking about it and it's kind of a phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: And so we wanted to like write a sketch, write
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  Speaker 2: a piece about that, you know, how like it's hard,
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  Speaker 2: you don't even want to return to your regular life.
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  Speaker 2: Like I remember having saying this exact thing that we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about six feet under, which I think was
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  Speaker 2: one of the shows. So we'll get to this, but
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  Speaker 2: there were many, we needed to get permission from whatever
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  Speaker 2: show we chose. And so we had like a list
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  Speaker 2: of shows and we're fans of all these shows. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember saying that when six feet under ended, I
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  Speaker 2: missed Nate. with one of the characters. And we just
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  Speaker 2: talked about that feeling of like when a show ends
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  Speaker 2: and you, it's almost like you're grieving the end of it.
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  Speaker 2: You are so immersed in these characters' lives. You feel
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  Speaker 2: it's that parasocial thing. You just, you feel like you
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  Speaker 2: know them. You feel like they're your friends. And then
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  Speaker 2: they're gone. There is no more story to tell. Like
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  Speaker 2: you know how their life, their story ends. And there's
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  Speaker 2: something very heartbreaking about that. Cause you're going on without
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  Speaker 2: them essentially.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which is what it feels like when someone dies and it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's a very real thing. And we wanted to capture that,
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  Speaker 2: like figure out a way of just writing about this
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  Speaker 2: thing as, as fans, mostly just as fans of great TV.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And we all had our different experiences with shows
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  Speaker 1: that we've loved that had ended or that we were
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  Speaker 1: still watching. And I remember the wire came up a bunch.
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  Speaker 2: Of, Why are Sopranos six feet under Breaking Bad maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Something in there.
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  Speaker 2: Including Battlestar Galactica. Right. And then there's always when you're
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  Speaker 2: writing and you're borrowing from IP, real life intellectual property,
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  Speaker 2: you have to get permission. You can't just throw that
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  Speaker 2: into the show, whether you're using an image, a likeness,
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  Speaker 2: a song. So we needed, we had to sort of
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  Speaker 2: have our business affairs legal people go and find out
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  Speaker 2: who was willing to sort of let us do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And we were very fortunate that the folks at Battlestar
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  Speaker 2: Galactica said, yeah, okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a sort of, I remember at the
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  Speaker 1: time also, just people were talking about that show, even
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  Speaker 1: after it had ended.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember- Patton Oswalt had something about it in his standup.
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  Speaker 1: There was a, it was definitely like a good reference.
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  Speaker 1: That was a good one to pick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it had to be a show that had
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  Speaker 2: many seasons and that once the show had stopped airing
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  Speaker 2: that you could binge it, you know, that you could
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  Speaker 2: just waste hours, days, weeks of your life. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember doing that with various shows, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just lying in bed or sitting on my couch, just
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  Speaker 2: unable to stop bingeing. hitting play. And yeah, this is
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  Speaker 2: more of the DVD era than it was streaming, which
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: obviously it's just like autoplay. You're sort of even more
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: at the hook or on the hook and at the mercy,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: but you know, but this sort of required a little more,
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  Speaker 2: like it was a little more tactile, but still it was,
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  Speaker 2: it was a lot. Um, anyway, so this is the
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  Speaker 2: introduction of Doug and Claire who become another duo that
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: we write for, um, again this year. And then in
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  Speaker 2: the remaining seasons. This is our intro to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And Claire is, she's kind of wears the pants in
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  Speaker 2: the family in terms of like, she's the breadwinner. Doug
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  Speaker 2: is a little more of a slacker, stay at home guy,
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  Speaker 2: kind of maybe like prolonged adolescence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but he's like, Claire's like a little all
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  Speaker 2: business at the beginning. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's good for the sketch in that she really
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  Speaker 1: is going to a dinner party.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A birthday dinner.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And in a way that's like, it can't just be
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  Speaker 1: a couple that like just ends up watching TV. She
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  Speaker 1: actually does have something important to do.
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  Speaker 2: There's a ticking clock. It's that it's a very classic,
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  Speaker 2: like storytelling, you know, sort of method. It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's here to the stakes. Like we've got to get
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  Speaker 2: to this dinner. Doug has, you know, friends keep telling
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  Speaker 2: him about the show. Actually Claire's like, Oh wait, someone
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  Speaker 2: mentioned this show to me. It feels very grounded premise. Like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it always seems like sure we'll just
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  Speaker 2: do one who needs to be to this you know
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  Speaker 2: on time to this thing we can show up a
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: little later yeah like it's a nice like this is
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  Speaker 2: another one of one of our many couples who really
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  Speaker 2: like hanging out with each other and it's just like
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  Speaker 2: oh that would be fun I'm trying I'll do something
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  Speaker 2: that Doug likes and then he'll come with me to
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  Speaker 2: the dinner kind of classic couple compromise so you pull
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: out the the box set season one episode one and
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: we watch it we get into it And we're like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that was good. We should watch another one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And suddenly it cuts to it's morning. And we've been
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: up all night.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And you've already texted the people at dinner. Happy birthday. Yeah.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And the way you send the text is very sort
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: of like an errand.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. I said happy birthday and. Right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Well, very quickly, the rest of our lives becoming unimportant.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like this is like moving into like
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: pole position, like, OK, everything else is kind of receding. Soon,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Claire loses her job. Bills are stacking up. I mean, right.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It escalates very quickly. It's getting we're just watching episode
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: after episode, not getting up from the couch. We're, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: not eating.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: The lighting is changing. It's just, we're looking more disheveled.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I think we do something also with our, we're both
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: sounding more tired. Yeah.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing like a really, like a threadbare pajama shirt,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you know, everything we, we go from like, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: a clean living room to, yeah, very slovenly. Like we
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: only have one thing that we live for and that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this show.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And then at the end of this sketch, what happens
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: is we finish the show. We get to the last
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: episode and we're devastated. In fact, I scream.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: You scream.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I scream.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: A very real scream. Yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: By the way, you know I love screaming.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: It's a thing that we do a lot on the show.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I love to scream.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's a real.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Very cathartic.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: But appropriate in this setting. So it's like playing into
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the horror of like, oh my God, this has been
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: stolen from us. We don't know what to do.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It's unacceptable.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: It's unacceptable. I mean, we have nothing else anymore, but
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So we see that the show is created by Ronald D. Moore.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we are like, where does he live? Why
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: don't we have the creator showrunner writer of the show?
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: He needs to write more episodes.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like we're, we're like, this is a problem.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We need more. We need more. We need the fix.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: So we looked at the phone book and there he is.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Ronald D.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Moore.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: He lives in town.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: He lives in Portland. Yeah. Um, But that's just, then we,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that's the end of this.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: That's the cliffhanger.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the cliffhanger. We realize the creator of our
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: favorite show that we are now addicted to lives in
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Portland and part.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: One ends yes now we go to the Knott's store
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Artisan Knott's and Jeff Goldblum is our guest star.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: He's the proprietor of the Artisan Knott shop you're playing
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: a character that comes back but not usually with partnered
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: with me yes Gavin right yeah Um, a great wig,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: ginger kind of ginger hair.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We got it from a photo reference. There was an article,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I think in the New York times or something.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Of that guy, of the guy.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Um, of something about artisan something. And there's a guy
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: with that hair and that mustache. And we put it
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: up on our, in the writer's room on the bulletin
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: board of like this guy we have to do whoever
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: this is. I think he even had that sweater. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: can't remember what the article was, but.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yes. There was, I, I kind of remember that, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I also remember the artisan not thing, just an era
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of artisan, whatever, you know, that if, if you just
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: put the word artisan in front of anything that was
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: pedestrian or ordinary, all of a sudden you could like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: create a whole store around it. Yeah. You know, a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: market for it. You could jack up the prices. It's,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you know, a little bit in the put a bird
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: on it. Like how, you know, it's feels a little
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: bit like a racket. You're like, Oh, okay. Really? Artisan knots. Like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I can just tie it on, right? Like, but no,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: this is something more elevated than that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I wonder if in general retail was just different back then.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Cause I feel like that happened. People would just open shops.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think for one thing, like real
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: estate was more affordable, you know? So you have a
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: spirit of entrepreneurship and experimentation and people, you know, not
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that these are all successful business models, But I think
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: there was a proliferation of those stores in like certain neighborhoods.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It was also a big sign of gentrification, right? Like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden, you know, locksmith goes
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: out of business or a shoeshine place and it's replaced
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: by an artisan knot store. You know, so like to me,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it was also a shorthand of you're like, oh, wow.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Like that's when, you know, this neighborhood is shifting and
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: people are being displaced because now there's this shop that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: has like a futility to it almost. You're like, wow,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the other shop actually served a real purpose.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And this?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And this serves very little purpose. So it's an interesting
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: sort of story of a city as well. It's like
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a story of gentrification and then also a story of
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: just more affordability in general where people just had the
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: opportunity to sort of take these chances, you know, even
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: if like, yeah, now none of it exists, right? Not
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: only were the first wave of people, you know, pushed out,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: but now the second.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Wave is pushed out and now it's... Buildings are empty, really.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But Jeff Goldblum is so, he's fantastic at this and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he's really enjoying doing it.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He relishes things. And I mean, that's just Jeff in general.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: He very much lives in the moment. He's very present
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: as a scene partner and as a person. He's a
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: wonderful listener. He's immensely curious. He's very smart.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And also somehow comes up with a character. There are
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: things that are the way about this, the way that
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: this character was speaking that might not have been him.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: There's one thing I noticed he did, which some people do,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: is when we're asking him questions, when someone's sure of something,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they do this thing where he goes like this, nope, yep.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: This immediate, like, he's just sure.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Of his answers.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And it also gives you the feeling that he knows
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: what you're going to say before you say it, which
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is very disarming. Yes. And it almost makes what you're
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: saying seem pointless.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: He's like, just let's get to the part where I
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: actually lead this conversation. And also you don't know what
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: you're talking about.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a little bit of a power move,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: which I think he's very good at playing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But in a way that's like kind of like deceiving because,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know, he's sort of, couching it in niceness but
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: there's just a little bit of an edge to it
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and I mean that's just him being a great actor
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but he really brings all of that again to a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: short sketch and that's we were so fortunate so many
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: people who come in shoot for hours but everything is
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: reduced to like two and a half minutes were able
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: to bring like some depth and you know layer to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: these characters which he did and Jeff is someone who
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: comes back year after year after this.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Oh so so great and the premise of this one
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: is that we're buying we're going to a dinner party
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: so we've got to bring a gift yes and so
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we're trying to bring.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: A knot yeah and also there's that these characters they
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: definitely have that feeling like we are going to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the ones to bring a really special gift and a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: classic thing that we've all fallen prey to i read
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: an article about it oh i read about this like
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: yeah you know and i still do that I'll yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And we specifically say, I read about this in the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: New York times.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: You know, you go to check it out. So there's just, again,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that's that sense of like, I don't know, just that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: we're doing the right thing. We're doing something. We're sort
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of special and we're at the special store. And anyway,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: then a very, despite looking at all these knots, we
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: can't find the right thing. We just can't settle on it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And he thinks he has the perfect thing for us.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And he goes into the back and and comes out
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: with a knot, but it is made of iPhone, yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Apple wired headphones. That are tangled.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And they're under glass.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And a cloture or whatever that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Is, yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And yes, so we had talked about this, like basically
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: your Apple, any wired headphones, are always in a knot anyway.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I still spend a lot of time untangling.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I prefer my little wired AirPods. I do too.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I keep them in my car.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to the wireless ones. Anyway, but I am always
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: untangling them. So we buy this overpriced piece of art
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that's essentially just headphones. And we bring them to the party.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And many other people at the party have bought the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of the reveal.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Our friend accepts the gift. with kind of a sigh
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and we realize that everyone's read the same article and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: purchased her the same gift and most of them from
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the same store.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: So.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: After this, we've got Fire Pit.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Okay. This one, this is Malcolm and Chris again, which
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: we talked about in episode one. I'll call them the Seattleites.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Sure. Maybe slightly older.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: A little bit older than some of our other characters.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I have gray hair and I remember Jessica Needham she
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: gave Chris, her signature lip color was a burgundy, which
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: is very different than, none of my other characters had burgundy.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And it always gave me, it was a very specific aesthetic,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: like this gray hair burgundy. To me, it was like
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a shorthand for like someone who
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: likes art. You know, just like, you know, enjoys a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: good gallery opening. Yeah. So this kind of sketch is
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: one that we do, we repeat. It's the kind of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: sketch where, we imagine one thing. There's sort of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: physical version of something, like the literal version of something.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And then there is the imagined version of something. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that disparity is where the humor comes from. And I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: think that is a very real thing. This sense that
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: an object has the ability to change your life. It's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just like, we always think like, oh, if then, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: if I had this, then I would be happy. If
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I had this, I would be more exciting. We kind
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: of talked about this. So we will get to this
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: later with motorcycle.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And even later with van life.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But this is sort of the first version of that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But I will say that this becomes a kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: sketch that we do. Yeah. And I think something that
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: we've all in the writer's room had experienced.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Just really like, imposing upon an object, like a lot
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of just like hope. Yes. This transference of hope and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: like a life-changing ability. And so it's a very simple
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: setup and a way of shooting a sketch, which is
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: your Malcolm is just literally putting together a fire pit
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in the backyard. Yep. Really simple, not even that fancy one.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And as you're building it, you're imagining what a fire
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: pit brings to you. Yeah. How it would transform you.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. And it is a underworld.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Bacchanalian. It is absolutely like it's, it's full like orgiastic
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: leather daddy ball gag. Like there, I remember, so we're
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: literally shooting half the sketches, In an afternoon in someone's backyard.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: The other part, the part that we're imagining, you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that we cut to. Yeah. Like sort of Malcolm like
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: looks off into the distance and then we cut and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: we shot this other thing. We shot it after Ayo River.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: We finished out at the river and we waited till
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: it got dark. And then we shot this scene.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. And everyone is dressed. So the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: background are truly just in like SM gear.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yes. I remember when they showed up too. They were...
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Because I think they're the real deal.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: It's the real deal. And... To me, that's very intimidating.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And this happens a lot on the show with background.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And it was part of the fun of doing the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: show is that our background extras casting would go and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: just say like, hey, we need this group of people
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: we know you do this in real life. We'd rather
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: just get you guys than, you know, take a bunch
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: of people who have no experience with this and put
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: them in costume. Like you kind of get to show
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: off your thing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And this was an example of that. And they were
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: really enjoying it. I mean, it was, it was night.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: We built a huge bonfire and there, you know, there's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: like people with collars and leashes and, you know, spikes
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and whips and weird. We're in character as Chris and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Malcolm with a little bit like you have maybe a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: shirt on with like flames on it or something.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And also the sounds we're making are demonic.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Animalistic, demonic. Yeah. Just fully hedonistic. And I remember there was.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: So then Chris comes out in the movie. like more
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: grounded version of this, she then has her own fantasy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: You know, she looks at the pit. Malcolm first has
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it and you're out with these people. And then in
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: my fantasy, there is a man in a leather mask
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm licking his face. And I was like, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: remember just that level of like having to surrender to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a scene, you know? And like, I feel like this is,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: one of those instances where when you're writing something versus
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: when you're performing it, there's a huge gulf, right? You don't,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think as we're, you know, writing this and
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: talking about it that, oh, there will be a time
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: in the near future where I will be like down
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: next to someone's crotch, you know, and very close to it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And it's just like a little leather, you know, bikini
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: bottom and you know, then I'm looking a person's face
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: who's wearing a leather mask. Like it just, there's something
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: really exhilarating about it. And then there's just something absolutely
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: nerve wracking.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And these are strangers.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: These are strangers and you have very little time. Again,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: this is not like, Hey guys, how's it going? I'm Carrie,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm playing, there's no like, and this is
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: what the scene is. You just, I mean, obviously like
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: our AD had said, you know, like give, given some direction,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: but there's not, like one, there's no intimacy coordinator, which
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: now there would be for a scene like this, you know, well,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: what are you comfortable with? Um, she's going to bend
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: down and wrap her hands around your upper thigh or,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: you know, um, and I'm not even saying I would
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: have needed one, but I'm just saying it is definitely
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: like a headfirst dive into something that can just be
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: very jarring. Yeah. And you, you don't have a lot
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of time to be like, Oh, I'm not ready for this.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And again, I was not uncomfortable, but it is just,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: it's like a cold splash of water to the face.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: You know, you're just like, here we go.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And it didn't feel like, to your point, like actors
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in costume. It actually felt like.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: No, they were really enjoying it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's something about them in general, their whole.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: They're really engaged in. Yeah. In this.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: This is what we do.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And, like, the costumes were very comfortable for them,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: which really helped, actually, that it wasn't just like, hey,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and we'll need.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You to put on this.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just remember when I was watching this,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I was remembering that night and how earlier in the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: day I was playing Kath and we were doing, you know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: AO River, and then I switched into Chris in this,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of... like crazy orgy. And then also
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: there's this real bonfire, giant.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: You know, and we have talked about certain elements of
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the show being lawless. We did actually, we had, you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: people there that were in charge of the fire. We
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: had fire department there and that was actually all, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: following regulations and rules, but it was really hot and
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it was a real fire. And yeah, that was... it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: a funny sketch, but I really brought me back to
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: that night and just like all just sort of wandering
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: through this field of a bunch of sort of SM
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: folks and just, and being in this like little gray wig.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Just sort of feeling both as Chris, but also as
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Carrie a little out of my element.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And then the sketch ends, um, kind of quietly, which, well,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the very last shot might be screaming,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: but like, I think.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, it does. Oh, right. You're right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: For a second. But I think, but we're sort of like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think I almost get burnt.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you drop your glasses.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And you're, you sort of like, yeah, that thing where
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you sort of shatter the illusion.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Which, you know, we were talking about that in the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: last episode with mixologists, like how this big wraparound ends
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: with you and Andy just kind of doing that little thing.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's another. sort of part of the Portlandia
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: vernacular is like, instead of just heightening, heightening, heightening, we
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: sort of revert to like a small moment.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And I think that detail is sort of where the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: show lives. You know, like instead of just like making
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the explosion bigger, it's like you pop back to the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: source for a second.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: All right. But I will say, I really enjoyed watching
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: this sketch.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Same. A-L-L One more episode, part two.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: One more episode, part two. Also one of my favorite
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: sketches of the season, but maybe.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Of the show.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Of the whole run. So we, as Doug and Claire,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: go to Ronald D. Moore's house. We think he lives
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: in Portland. And so we go to his house. Yes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: And it's a Ronald D.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Moore.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It is Ronald D. Moore. But not the writer. Not
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the writer Ronald D.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Moore. Right. It's not the writer of Battlestar Galactica. galactica
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: but we think it is yes and um this guy
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: answers the door or does his wife answer the door
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: i think his wife.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Answers his wife is uh cutting plants edges yeah that's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: right and she shouts for him.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: She shouts for him and then he comes out and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: he's like yeah i'm ronald d moore Um, now these actors, um,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: one of them is Henry Cottrell who went by Chico.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: He becomes, he comes back every season after this. And, uh,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the other one is, um, Evelyn Murrah. She also comes
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: back a couple of times. Yeah. Um, but they're great
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and they're so good in this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So good. Yeah. And yeah, perfect. And they're not lying about,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: he's not lying about who he is.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: No. In fact, he keeps saying like, oh yeah, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: did some writing when I was a kid. Yeah. And
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: so we're both operating like both Doug and Claire and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Ronald are just, we're, we're all believing in the same.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: We're all believing in a reality, but there are two
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: different realities and we never acknowledge or are even aware
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that they're conflicting in any way.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember Seth Meyers describing these moments to someone
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: else and I felt good about it. Just that in
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: his description of us looking through the phone book, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the logic of that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I liked that. And also as I'm watching it too,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: we both do seem very excited. Like when we're talking
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to Ronald D.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Moore. Oh, I mean, we're both like, also we're like
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: honored to meet him. We're like in the presence of,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: you know, a genius and the writer of, this show
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: that we're obsessed with. And so we get to work.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: We ask him like, please, we need one more episode.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: And he's like, sure. I, you know, and so we
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: get to work in his kitchen. Meanwhile, his wife just
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: is like, what is going on?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: She's sort of the voice of reason. She just sort
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of can't believe like, like, why are these strangers in
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: my house? Yeah. Why are you writing a script?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: She keeps kind of telling us to move. And actually
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: we stay there so long that she gets into bed
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: and we're writing in the closet in their bedroom. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: And she's trying to get to sleep and we are
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: still moved. We're moved. We're like, come on, we've got
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to do this. We have a mission.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: We're like, we're pitching ideas, Ronald's pitching ideas. And I mean,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: we're sort of, we're literally writing a script, a television script.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Using references, like real references from the show.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Um, Yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: So we're at the house and this is, it's a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: really good middle part. Yeah. We're going to write this thing.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And it seems like hard work.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And that's where, where that ends. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Now the next, so this next one.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Bad tattoo.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Based on a real story. I remember telling you guys
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: about living when I, I went to college, um, in
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: a small town in Washington state, Olympia, Washington. It's where
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I formed Slater Kinney and it was, yeah, really vibrant
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: music scene, uh, especially in that era, like Nirvana played
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: some of their first shows there. There was a lot
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: of like indie record labels. It was just, it was
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a real, like kind of avant-garde slash punk indie Mecca. And, um, yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: it's kind of definitely like my formative years were there
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and there was a guy there, uh, like he, no
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: one really was into in this community, into like conventional attractiveness.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it was like UBU, like, you know, whatever,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: everyone was like doing their own thing. There happened to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: be a guy that was definitely conventionally attractive. Like he
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: could have, he was attractive in New York or London,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: you know, one of those guys. And he, you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: and he would come to shows and you'd see him
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: and it was like, it was conspicuous because everyone else
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like sort of had their little, like, weirdo thing going
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: on and we're attractive in their own ways. And he
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: would kind of float in like this model. Like, Whoa,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: like you all, you sort of remembered that we were like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: did live in like, like, Oh, the world does not
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: just exist in Olympia. He sort of reminded you of that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And one night I was at the Capitol theater, which
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: is where we saw a lot of shows and it
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: was summer. And he had like a t-shirt or a
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: little like, um, sleeveless shirt on. And he had a
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Red Hot Chili Peppers tattoo. And I was like, whoa, like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: it ruined it for me. I was like.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: No offense to the Red Hot Chili Peppers, just.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sure. Like, I mean, this is like
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the most offensive thing I could say about the Red
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Hot Chili Peppers set.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: We've talked about it in this podcast and I don't
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: want to go into it again, but you know, this
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is like the height of like my sort of punk
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: era music. Everyone's a music snob, right? We would think
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of them as mainstream stream, you know, like even though
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they also came from like a Southern California punk scene,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I knew I don't want to over explain it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: If you imagine my 22 year old self. And I
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: see a guy with the red hot chili pepper symbol
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: in the middle of like a really like underground punk scene.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It was like, forget it. This guy was like, he's
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: no way. Deal breaker. Literally tattoo as deal breaker. So I,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm telling the story. And so we were
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: talking about like, let's write a sketch about me going
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: on a date with a really amazing guy. Yeah. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: everything's going great until I realized he's got this bad tattoo. Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And in the sketch, it's kind of like this, it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Fred and Carrie. I'm telling you that I've met this guy. It's,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: he's played by Scott Green who, um, Scott was like
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a early, like Gus Van Zandt collaborator. He's actually in
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: my own private Idaho. He's a stills photographer as well.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I think he did stills the first season of our
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: show or did some, some of it. Yeah. Um, behind
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the scenes photography for us, but he's, uh, plays my
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: boyfriend in this sketch and he is, he's a, he's
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a cute guy, handsome man. And, Anyway, so we're on
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: these dates and I'm telling you about it. And as
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I talk to you about it, it flashes to these dates.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And I realize that he has an Eddie Vedder tattoo. Yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And it's Eddie Vedder playing, holding two tambourines.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: A tambourine in each hand.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And I just can't get over it. I just, I
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: can't see past the tattoo. In fact, there are scenes
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like where I keep covering up the tattoo, like putting
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: my hand over it. Yes. Or we're bicycling and I keep,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: riding around to the other side so I don't have
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to look at that tattoo I mean it's very ridiculous
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and the.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Music they choose is first of all we couldn't get
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: we couldn't afford real Pearl Jam music so they find
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a sound alike which is works perfect perfect for this
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and in that bicycle scene it's nice it's.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: The Sort of like rom-com music, like, right?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or it's for his, it's like that fake Pearl Jam.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And then when the bicycle goes down the other side,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: it's like rom-com sweet music.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then every time that tattoo comes in, it's like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I see Pearl Jam. And some context for Pearl Jam.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: So Slater Kinney opened for Pearl Jam in 2004, and
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: we did a whole tour with them. I became very
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: close with the band and Eddie Vedder in particular, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: This is an example of in the show, Carrie as
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: a character says to Fred, like, I mean, I liked
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Pearl Jam in high school. Like I'm a little bit
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: dismissive of that. Yeah.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And I say that only because it's another example of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: a band or people we know like being able to
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: make fun of themselves and their reputation because as this
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: sketch continues, I end up on a date with Eddie Vedder.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Um, and Ed came down to Portland and in the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: way that he is so game and so generous and
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: so aware of just, yeah, he's, he's fine with it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He got it. He totally got the whole thing. And
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: so now I'm on a date with Eddie and I'm
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: laughing and it's just like, Oh my God, I can't
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: believe it. And then he reaches for something like there's
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: a little picnic spread and I see a little ink
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: on his arm. I'm like, what is that? And he's like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: it's a tattoo. And I'm like, is it a bad tattoo?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah. And it's Ani DeFranco.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: With what though? She has like, it's.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I think he mentioned that she has nose ring.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ani DeFranco with a nose ring. Yeah.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And, and, and, and the sketch even more sketchier. There's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: like the Warner Brothers cartoon.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Looney Tunes.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Looney Tunes thing. Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I'm like, yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's just a great, I just love this one.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: It's a very, like, it's a very satisfying story. Like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like it really operates as like a good,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: weird sort of dreamlike story.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: And they animated that tattoo.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: And they animated the better tattoo. Because it speaks to you.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Because I'm going to, yeah, Scott and I are falling asleep.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: We're in bed together and he falls asleep and the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: tattoo is talking to me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And sort of taunting me. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was watching it, I was like, the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Eddie Vedder tattoo speaking. I was like, is that my voice?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But I was like,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely not Eddie.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But yeah, this is one of my favorites. One,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: because it is... I do love when we are in
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that blue sky period or just any part of the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: writer's room and we're sharing stories from our lives. And
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you get to see that come to life in a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: way that's heightened and exaggerated and silly. And then to
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: then actually have Eddie Vedder be in the scene. Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: It's sort of a dream. You feel... like the luckiest
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: person alive. It just, it's like all the things at once. And, um,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: it just makes me really happy. And it was so like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I'm such a fan of Eddie and Pearl jam and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: everything he's done for music. And so admiring of the
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: longevity of that band that, yeah, it was just a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: real privilege. Sometimes on the show, I just felt it
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: was just for lack of a better word, just feel
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: lucky and, and privileged. And that was, Just one of
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: those moments and it was fun to rewatch it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That brings us to one more episode, part three,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: which is the table read.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: The table read.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: And we've got some guests from Battlestar Galactica.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Including the real, the writer, Ronald D. Moore.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who's in the sketch introduces himself as a local actor.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Because we think we're with him. the creator of Battlestar Galactica,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: our Ronald D. Moore, played by Chico. So the actual
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Ronald D. Moore guest stars as a local actor, but
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: we also have James Callis and Edward James Olmos, which is,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: he is another actor that I literally just kept looking
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: over going, I can't believe we have Edward James Olmos
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: in this house. Like, again, by the way, we're just
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: shooting we talked about it before on location.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Just in someone's house. Like, and here, you know, I just,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: sometimes I would just look at actors that have had
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: flown in and just be like, I wonder what they
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: thought when they got on the plane.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: You know, and, but again, everyone was super gracious, super game.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: And again, and they're, you know, poking fun. Like so
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: many people sort of willing to just zoom out and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: just have fun with who they were. what their work
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: was like that to me is like, I like, I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: want art to be serious and I want the role
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: of art in culture to be taken seriously and valued.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: But I also really like when people can also see the,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the ways that it's frivolous and the ways that it
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: is joyful or funny or just, you know, like can
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: just kind of like take the, you know, find it
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit, take a little of the air out
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of it. Like to me, that contrast is really satisfying
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: that both can exist. Like it's not just like there
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: are other things in life and that it's always a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: good feeling when that happens. When you watch someone else
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: able to do that, someone you admire able to do that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And then also seeing the show creator, Ronald D. Warren,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: like just seeing him act.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So for his experience, you know, he created this show.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I like that in his life, Then he had to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: play someone who was doing a table read.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Of a script that three novices wrote.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. I like that in his life that he was
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: like all of a sudden acting. I'm like, well, you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: created this thing. Now you're an actor in this.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So these three actors are, yeah, they do a
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: table read of this sketch that Doug Clare and the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: local Ronald D. Moore write. A full table read. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: they're a little bit like perplexed, you know, but they
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And it's poorly written.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: And the original Ronald D. Moore, not the show creator,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: his wife is coming home.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: And so he's like, we guys, we have to finish
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: this table read.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: She has had enough. She has definitely had enough.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And she does walk in. We are not able to,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: he's not able to clear us out before she gets back.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: She walks in the door and there's this, it's very tense.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: And then James Callis recommends a solution. He has a
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: solution for this, which is that we watch something.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: And we watch Doctor Who.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Doctor Who. the reason he recommends it is because there's
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: like 18 seasons. Yeah. And so that will just never
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: run out of episodes. And it also just, as I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: was watching, it just sort of has this message of like, Oh,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: TV is going to bring us all together. It's going
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: to be sort of this like antidote. And so it
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: cuts to us all sitting together, like a little family
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: all smushed in on the couch and on the floor.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: And the first, you know, episode of Dr. Who ends and,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: ronald d moore the local one says one more episode.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: And he sort of has the remote yeah and there's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: something about it i think we might may have used
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: it for a poster yeah where he just clicks it
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: there's something about it that's sweet yeah and it just
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: makes me feel good about the whole season and the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: whole show just one more episode.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah it it ties up very nicely and I agree.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: This is definitely one of my favorite Portlandia episodes.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Good job on it.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Good job, you.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, that concludes our rewatch of one more episode.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: And we agree, this is one of our favorites.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And, yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: So, thank you. Rewind.