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A Feminist Look at the NYC Mayoral Election: Part 1 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome stuff. I
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Speaker 1: never told you production I hurt radio and today we
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Speaker 1: are once again so happy to be joined by friend
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Speaker 1: of the show, friend in real life, Joey.
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Speaker 2: Welcome Joey.
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Speaker 3: Hello, thanks for having me for once not talking about
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Speaker 3: Star Wars or ball or anything.
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Speaker 4: I have a feeling somebody's gonna sneak it in, so
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Speaker 4: you know, honestly, I.
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Speaker 3: Do have I do have a small tangent about We'll
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Speaker 3: get in.
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Speaker 5: To that, but yeah, reporting live from Zora and mom
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Speaker 5: Donnie's New York City. There's uh hammer and circle flags
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Speaker 5: raised everywhere, riding in the street.
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Speaker 2: You know, I knew it.
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Speaker 3: It's been crazy time to be alive, crazy time.
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Speaker 2: To be alive.
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Speaker 6: What a time to be alive.
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Speaker 1: Well, you are are our person in New York, and
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Speaker 1: New York was the focus, I would say, one of
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Speaker 1: the big focuses of the last the elections we just had.
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Speaker 2: And they were there, just elections. I had no idea
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Speaker 2: this totally. Yeah, I sorry to cut you out of Fanny.
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Speaker 3: I will say, being in New York last week, very
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Speaker 3: very glad to be in New York City. I had
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Speaker 3: to feel like where it was going to go, but
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Speaker 3: it was like that is the the energy, just feeling
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Speaker 3: like walk here on the stay. I also had a
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Speaker 3: friend who was visiting from London who I was like
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Speaker 3: getting drunks that night and it was so funny because
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Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, there's going to be all of
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Speaker 3: these watch parties for the election, like we could do that,
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Speaker 3: or we could just try to finally have a bar.
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Speaker 3: And he was like, no, I'm kind of curious. Let's
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Speaker 3: like do the watch party.
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Speaker 2: I don't know anythink about politics. Let's go.
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Speaker 3: And we were like at a gay bar watching the
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Speaker 3: election results come in and it was a fun time.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, it was a fun time. Uh
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm alad because it's nice to have a win.
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Speaker 2: It was a wind like a lot of election can go.
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Speaker 1: I'm just too scared to even try it to go
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Speaker 1: to a watch party because I might be so depressed.
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Speaker 2: No real, I'm glad it worked out.
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Speaker 3: It was so weird because I was like, uh, one
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Speaker 3: of my really good friends, like their birthday is right
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Speaker 3: after election, and last year it was the day after
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Speaker 3: the like Trump was elected, and I just like that
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Speaker 3: those couple of days were so weird I'll be real, Like,
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Speaker 3: I went into that election sort of like it could
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Speaker 3: go fifty to fifty. A lot of people in my
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Speaker 3: life were very convinced Hayris was gonna win.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I'm also like I was the friend that was watching
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Speaker 3: CNN all night and was like texting people updates.
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Speaker 2: And so I did feel kind of bad because there
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Speaker 2: were a couple of points where I was like, no,
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Speaker 2: it looks like it's going really well.
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Speaker 3: Actually it's fine, and then I was like and then
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Speaker 3: an hour later it changed.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, that was a weird time. That was like.
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Speaker 3: That was was just such a like jarring experience for so.
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Speaker 2: Many in so many ways.
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Speaker 3: Again, I wasn't necessarily surprised, but it was like it
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Speaker 3: was weird. It was weird, it was jarring, it was heavy,
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Speaker 3: and it was just like the shift this year.
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Speaker 2: It was just it was such a different energy.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, equally, Annie, I I you know, I still
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Speaker 3: have very distinct memories of the twenty sixty election. And
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Speaker 3: I was in high school at the time, as I
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Speaker 3: mentioned on the podcast before, and Samantha's looked horrified, But
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Speaker 3: I do remember that like walking into a watch party
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Speaker 3: for that and it just being like silent and like
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Speaker 3: the energy being so weird, and so that was.
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Speaker 2: Not the case this time, which was nice. I really
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Speaker 2: like that. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I also a shout out quick shout out to a
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Speaker 1: super producer, Christina, whose birthday is near. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: what Yeah, November Christina.
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Speaker 6: She's really gone everywhere.
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Speaker 2: She has told the story.
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Speaker 3: Of pleated birthday Christina scorpio icon. Let's go right. It
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Speaker 3: makes so much sense. Lovingly, I love scorpios, but that
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Speaker 3: that makes so much sense.
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Speaker 1: I love that because I never know what that means
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Speaker 1: when people say it, but I'm I love that people
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Speaker 1: know it.
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Speaker 2: It makes me happy. But yeah, she's told stories of.
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Speaker 1: Being you know, out at a bar for her birthday
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Speaker 1: and it's just silent because of what happened in the election.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I.
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Speaker 3: Cannot imagine. I do have a really good friend of
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Speaker 3: his birthdays January sixth, and I thought that one's a
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Speaker 3: really funny one because I as soon as she told me,
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Speaker 3: I was like, well, I'm never going to forget your birthday.
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Speaker 2: Night was like, but you know, so many fun dates.
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Speaker 2: I got to my birthday date. It was nothing.
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Speaker 3: The one thing that this year was normal, but the
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Speaker 3: year before it was the weekend that Biden dropped out
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Speaker 3: of the election and Harris will they announce that Harris
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Speaker 3: was gonna run, and it like literally I saw a
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Speaker 3: tweet that was somebody being like, Wow, this is really
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Speaker 3: taking the attention away from me for my birthday, and
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Speaker 3: I was like that that was how I felt like.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I, this is great. I I, you know,
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Speaker 3: had not felt super great about Biden running either.
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Speaker 2: However, it's my birthday. It's supposedly about me.
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Speaker 3: Why are we talking about this other Joe, Like what's
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Speaker 3: going on? But yeah, no, Anyways, I do recommend watching
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Speaker 3: election coverage though, and you know, again, you never know,
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Speaker 3: it could go for different ways. But watching an election
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Speaker 3: that went well with somebody who's not from the US
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Speaker 3: that was sort of like literally support that were showing
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Speaker 3: on the maps and he was like Red's bad, right,
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Speaker 3: Like that's that.
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Speaker 4: I had to do with the animals sometimes I'm like, wait,
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Speaker 4: which one is the which was Wait, donkey.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly we all know about one county that.
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Speaker 6: Before all of a sudden, what.
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Speaker 3: Do pennsylvan I haven't spent too much time thinking about Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 2: No hate with the people of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 6: Wasn't, but geography becomes somewhat important.
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Speaker 3: But yes, I guess up top a couple of things.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to make a quick
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Speaker 3: content warning. I am going to talk a little bit
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Speaker 3: about sexual assault, like sexual harassment. Uh, you know, famously
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Speaker 3: Andrew Como was running against Doomny for this lecture and
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Speaker 3: who are again famous for being a sexual predator.
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Speaker 2: So that is going to going to come up.
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk a little bit about the Me
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Speaker 3: Too movement and kind of the long term kind of
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Speaker 3: effects of that and conversations that are still happening. Not
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Speaker 3: going to get super explicit, but of course, take care
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Speaker 3: well listening. I'm also going to get a little bit
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Speaker 3: into Islamophobia and some of the islamophobic rhetoric that had
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Speaker 3: been going around. Same with you know, just any sort
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Speaker 3: of We're going to talk about transphobic.
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Speaker 2: Rhetoric, all this stuff. Take care well listening.
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Speaker 3: Not going to get super explicit, not going to get
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to quote anything anyone was saying as much,
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Speaker 3: try not too as much as possible, because I don't
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Speaker 3: want to give a platform to those things. I'm sure
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Speaker 3: we all know what is being said right now, and
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Speaker 3: then my other warning at the top.
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Speaker 2: Every time I.
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Speaker 3: Talk about electoral politics, especially when it comes to progressive wins,
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Speaker 3: I have to do my laundry list of disclaimer Points one. Yes,
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Speaker 3: electoral politics is not the end all be all of
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Speaker 3: political activism or change or hope for the future or whatever.
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Speaker 2: I am aware of this.
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Speaker 3: However, it is point number two. It is an aspect
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Speaker 3: of political change. It is like, like you know, it
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Speaker 3: determines who is going to be in office. It is
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Speaker 3: and like, yes, it's just one brick in this like
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Speaker 3: house of progress and house of change, but it is
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Speaker 3: still a brick. And if you remove that brick, you're
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Speaker 3: gonna lose a couple of pillars there.
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Speaker 2: So I do think it's worth talking about. But me
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Speaker 2: talking about this.
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Speaker 3: Me celebrating these things, isn't me saying like, and everything's
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Speaker 3: great and nobody has to pay attention to anything. Ever,
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Speaker 3: we can have nuance and like listen, also point number three.
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Speaker 3: So right now, Christine, I'm so sorry You're gonna have
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Speaker 3: to beat me a lot in this episode. I'm and
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Speaker 3: also sorry to the listeners that I hate the beatings
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Speaker 3: out and I'm trying my best, but it is it's
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Speaker 3: possible to look at the world and be like, wow,
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Speaker 3: things are bad. All of these bad things are happening,
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Speaker 3: but also be able to celebrate wins, you know, like
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Speaker 3: like just because I am like and like, I'll be
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Speaker 3: real this.
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Speaker 2: I I felt a lot of hope from this election.
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Speaker 2: I I it was very like reinvigorating.
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Speaker 3: I really like maybe remember like, yeah, this is this
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Speaker 3: stuff is important, This stuff is important to get involved with.
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Speaker 3: That being said, like, I'm from Chicago and it's been
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Speaker 3: really weird for the past like a couple of months,
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Speaker 3: seeing like streets that I grew up in under like
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Speaker 3: total basically military occupation at this point.
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Speaker 7: So it's like, believe me when I say, uh.
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Speaker 3: It is possible again, Yeah, nuance is possible. We can
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Speaker 3: celebrate these wins and also still be realistic about the
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Speaker 3: fact that it's like there's a lot of bad things happening,
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Speaker 3: and I think there's still a lot of work to
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Speaker 3: be done.
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Speaker 4: Exactly when it comes to everything with the elections, no
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Speaker 4: one loves the system, but right now and we see
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Speaker 4: a win, a win is a win, dammit, exactly.
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Speaker 2: When when also I'm like, you know, I like, taking.
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Speaker 3: Some steps forward is better than just like not doing
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Speaker 3: anything Like, I don't know. I'm I'm trying not to
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Speaker 3: argue too much with like an invisible voice in my
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Speaker 3: head right now that's coming at me and pulling out
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Speaker 3: all the like leftist Twitter talking points. But but yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm trying. I think it is okay
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Speaker 3: to both celebrate things and be excited about things, and like,
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Speaker 3: I'll be real, I am somebody who like I tend
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Speaker 3: to kind of be a killed joy with politics. Uh.
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Speaker 2: We were just talking about the election last year. Again.
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Speaker 3: I was kind of the friend being like, I don't know, guys,
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Speaker 3: I feel like this could go really bad, and you
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Speaker 3: know what, I was right, but wasn't happy that I.
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Speaker 2: Was right, but I was right right. But and like
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Speaker 2: on this note too.
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Speaker 3: I mean, like something we're seeing right now whatever, there's
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Speaker 3: like a politician that's like very charismatic and is like,
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Speaker 3: you know, got this sort of support, which I think
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Speaker 3: I think is good.
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Speaker 2: I think we do need that.
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Speaker 3: But also it's like I'm personally I don't think we
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Speaker 3: should be like standing politicians. I hate it when people
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Speaker 3: make like mersh of like like although like Ruth Badergan's
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Speaker 3: were merge or like like AOC or Bernie or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Like I'm like, that's it.
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Speaker 3: They're their job is to serve the people. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: that feels weird to be I don't know. Again, there's
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Speaker 3: a room for nuance. I could still be excited about this.
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Speaker 3: I think it is exciting to see like a politician
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Speaker 3: who is this good of a speaker and this good
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Speaker 3: at like bringing people together and talking to multiple different
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Speaker 3: issues and like really creating a coalition. I mean, like, listen,
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Speaker 3: the Democrats have like loved to talk a lot of
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Speaker 3: big talk about coalition building and about bringing people in.
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Speaker 2: Uh, And I do think that's a good idea.
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Speaker 3: I think the way that they've kind of been approaching
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Speaker 3: it is like, let's just turn this party into like
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Speaker 3: Republicans light, let's try to get like the Liz Chenese
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Speaker 3: of the world to jump on our side. And it's like,
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's what it should be. I think,
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Speaker 3: like you, if you look at what Zoron did, like
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Speaker 3: that is that is a genuine like bringing people with
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Speaker 3: different ideas together, bringing people from different communities together, whatever,
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Speaker 3: like people kind of I wouldn't have expected to support
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Speaker 3: a democratic socialist candidate. We're doing that, and I think
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Speaker 3: that's really great and I think there is something there,
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Speaker 3: and I think it's worth talking about.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's okay to like someone that you voted for,
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Speaker 4: but then you have to turn around and understand this
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Speaker 4: is about holding them accountable. So it's not about following blindly.
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Speaker 4: Is understanding they got me excited with this, and now
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Speaker 4: let's hold them to it.
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Speaker 6: And that's the more responsible way to be a voter.
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Speaker 2: Exactly because you know what happens. You know what.
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Speaker 3: Happens when we and I'm not saying this is at
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Speaker 3: all what's going to happen with Mom Donnie, but I
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Speaker 3: think when people take the like turning it into like
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Speaker 3: all of a sort of like the fandomization of politics
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Speaker 3: too far, you get like cuomo sexual stuff, like that's
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Speaker 3: what you get, which surprise, surprise, backfire really quickly.
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Speaker 6: Real hard.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, there's a couple of different things I want to
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Speaker 3: talk about here, particularly pertaining to Donnie's win and what
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Speaker 3: that means for women, women's issues in politics, and what
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Speaker 3: I kind of mean by what I'm saying women's issues too. First,
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Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna pull back a little bit. We're
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Speaker 3: gonna talk about like what the rhetoric on the left
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Speaker 3: or what is seen as left in this country, the
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Speaker 3: Democratic Party, whatever big umbrella here that I'm talking about,
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Speaker 3: but like what the conversation has been for the past
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Speaker 3: year or since the Democratic Party lost the twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: four election presidential election, There's been a lot to talk about,
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Speaker 3: like what were the lessons learned?
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Speaker 2: What did we do wrong?
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Speaker 3: And surprise, surprise, there's just kind of been a lot
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Speaker 3: of finger pointing and a lot of like jumping to
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Speaker 3: blame people.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking about, like how have.
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Speaker 3: The Democrats how progressive talked about women's issues over the
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Speaker 3: past year.
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Speaker 2: And I do think it's split.
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Speaker 3: I think that there's sort of two and again we're
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Speaker 3: talking about a very broad coalition of people here, so
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Speaker 3: this is like political pundance and just like your average
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Speaker 3: person on the street, which again that's.
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Speaker 2: A very large group of people who.
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Speaker 3: Are talking about lots of different opinions, lots of different
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Speaker 3: motives whatever. But yeah, I think the response is kind
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Speaker 3: of been split. I think similar to twenty sixteen, this
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Speaker 3: loss was like the twenty twenty four presidential loss was
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Speaker 3: definitely something that bradical lies a lot of people and
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Speaker 3: drove them to action.
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Speaker 2: Recently, I was listening to I want to.
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Speaker 3: Shout out Matt Bertstein's podcast A Bit Fruity, in which
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Speaker 3: you recently did an episode called the liberal wine Moms
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Speaker 3: are Radicalizing. I'm blanking on the name of the guest
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Speaker 3: that he had on, but she was fantastic. She was
14:43
Speaker 3: sort of like, she's this prominent podcaster's sort of seen
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Speaker 3: as like the progressive, like middle aged, the suburban wine mom,
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Speaker 3: and quotes, you know, not necessarily literal, but.
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, like that typographic. And
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Speaker 2: they had a really interesting converse.
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Speaker 3: I'll link that episode in the show notes, but they
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Speaker 3: had a really interesting conversation about her response to the
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Speaker 3: election and some of the stuff that she's been seeing.
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Speaker 3: And I think it was really interesting because it was
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Speaker 3: sort of counter to a lot of the narratives I've
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Speaker 3: been seeing, which is coming what like more from the
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Speaker 3: party side, which is there's been a lot of hand ringing,
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Speaker 3: a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of like, oh, we were being we were.
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Speaker 3: Going too far with these issues, we weren't being cautious enough.
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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, like if you look at the actual platform
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Speaker 3: that was being run in twenty twenty four, it was
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Speaker 3: like the most cautious, like we're not going to push
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Speaker 3: any boundaries they could have done. You know, there's been
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Speaker 3: a lot of like, oh, the thing that that didn't
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Speaker 3: work for us was like the fath them's or Kamala Ford,
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Speaker 3: thea them or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Democratic Party like this was the.
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Speaker 3: Least that they talked about trans issues like within like
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Speaker 3: the last three elections, Like this is the first time
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Speaker 3: the DNC there was not a single trans speaker in
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Speaker 3: like years, like this has not happened in a very
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Speaker 3: long time, like.
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Speaker 2: They they really I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's sort of this weird disconnect where there's been a
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Speaker 3: lot of like we were having people like Gavin Newsome
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Speaker 3: now be like actually we should I don't know, transports,
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Speaker 3: it's a it's complicated, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Like where is this coming from.
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Speaker 3: You weren't like running on helping trans people really at all.
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Speaker 2: People have been loving to go affle after a chapel.
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Speaker 8: Roone for not endorsing Kamala Harris and making what I
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Speaker 8: think was a pretty reasonable point about the fact that
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Speaker 8: the Democratic Party really hasn't you know, stood up for
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Speaker 8: the LGBT community as much as they say that they are.
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Speaker 2: I think she was right.
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Speaker 8: I think, you know, again, I voted for Harris. I
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Speaker 8: think people should have voted for Harris. But also it's like, yeah, they.
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Speaker 7: There wasn't really a lot that was I don't know,
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Speaker 7: like there weren't they weren't doing the things that they
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Speaker 7: were like, see, the thing that was wrong was that
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Speaker 7: we were being too woke.
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Speaker 3: And it's like, but but you weren't, Like I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I think particularly and the one thing that really I
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Speaker 3: want to focus on here is like trans issues and
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Speaker 3: how trans issues have been talking about, because like this
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Speaker 3: has been one of the communities that has been most
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Speaker 3: kind of sharply attacked by the Trump administration, and at
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Speaker 3: the same time, the like mainstream Democratic Party has kind
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Speaker 3: of been pulling away from it has been like yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's where we were going too far.
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Speaker 2: And it's again like I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: That to me is confusing because I'm like, you really
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Speaker 3: weren't doing anything to begin with. I think this election
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Speaker 3: showed that there is kind of a disconnect between the like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, no, people don't like this, people don't
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Speaker 3: like that we're supporting this. It's like not like at
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's it's not the biggest issue,
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Speaker 3: Like the biggest issues are the economic issues, because it's
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Speaker 3: like most people don't really care about like other people's
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Speaker 3: that our personal lives. Some people do, obviously they're very
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Speaker 3: loud about it. But yeah, Also I'm I'm under this.
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Speaker 3: I'm qualifying trans issues as women's issues. Obviously not alternans
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Speaker 3: people are women, U that's kind of the whole point.
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Speaker 3: But uh, I think, and I think specifically talking about
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna try not to go on a huge tantent
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Speaker 3: about this because I don't want to take up too
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Speaker 3: much time. But I think, like, especially when we're talking
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Speaker 3: about like the quote unquote like transport debate, this is
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Speaker 3: a women's issue because you see how quickly it turns
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Speaker 3: into like if we're just turning this into like specific
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Speaker 3: gender roles, you have to like, again, I'm trying very
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Speaker 3: hard not to go on a tangent about this. I
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Speaker 3: think it's really weird how quickly like the conversation about
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Speaker 3: women in men's sports or men and womens sport quote
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Speaker 3: unquote whatever has shifted over the past ten years, because
18:34
Speaker 3: like I remember growing up and it being like, yeah,
18:37
Speaker 3: it's really weird that these sports are gendered, Like it's
18:40
Speaker 3: more complicated than that if you look at the actual
18:42
Speaker 3: scientific facts, like.
18:45
Speaker 2: I don't know, gender actually doesn't play that big of
18:49
Speaker 2: a role.
18:50
Speaker 3: And now we've kind of gone around where it's like no, no, no, actually,
18:52
Speaker 3: like like the turf argument is actually it is feminists
18:54
Speaker 3: to say no, women are inherently weaker and they can't
18:57
Speaker 3: do anything. And for some reason, chess is also a
19:00
Speaker 3: part of this.
19:01
Speaker 2: We can't have.
19:02
Speaker 3: Trans women competing against sis women in chess because our
19:08
Speaker 3: little lady brains are too small apparently. So anyways, all
19:12
Speaker 3: of that being said, I've said this on other podcasts
19:15
Speaker 3: before women out there, cis gender women listening. If you
19:21
Speaker 3: really do not care about trans people, like at least
19:24
Speaker 3: think a little bit selfishly here, like this is going
19:26
Speaker 3: to come back and buy you. We're ready seeing the
19:28
Speaker 3: Olympics just put out a statement being like we're banning
19:31
Speaker 3: trans women and also like women with like high testosterone levels,
19:35
Speaker 3: which is so weird, which is such a vague thing.
19:37
Speaker 3: So it's like it's the Olympics. It's like everybody's you
19:42
Speaker 3: don't get to that level of athleticism unless there's like
19:45
Speaker 3: you have some sort of weird physical situation going on.
19:48
Speaker 2: I don't know, this seems like a little arbitrary, but yeah.
19:52
Speaker 4: Me, the conversation is that they created a boogeyman exactly
19:56
Speaker 4: an exact narrative because we know by the many trans women,
20:02
Speaker 4: how many trans athletes have you seen winning those awards?
20:05
Speaker 4: And the people who are complaining are the people who
20:07
Speaker 4: are in like fifth or last life, like fifth place
20:11
Speaker 4: or whatever, like who cares?
20:14
Speaker 3: Also, I don't ken like if you look at the
20:15
Speaker 3: actual science, there's actually a lot of evidence it's like
20:18
Speaker 3: HRT is uh like you're kind of at a disadvantage
20:21
Speaker 3: if you're taking HRT because of the way that it
20:23
Speaker 3: affects your body. Like it is sort of like, hey, like,
20:26
Speaker 3: not only have we created the spoogeyman, were like literally
20:29
Speaker 3: it's not based on any All of the science they're
20:32
Speaker 3: chounting isn't real anyways, right, as well as.
20:34
Speaker 4: The fact that they're almost given like an opportunity for
20:37
Speaker 4: really pervy white men to be able to check on
20:42
Speaker 4: women because you know this like needing to check genders
20:46
Speaker 4: and bathroom usage.
20:47
Speaker 2: You know, like this has almost become a ploy.
20:50
Speaker 4: That you're trying to use against women to be like
20:53
Speaker 4: we need to protective people. We need to protect the
20:55
Speaker 4: young young children here and they're like, but you're using
20:58
Speaker 4: this in order to physically violate children.
21:03
Speaker 2: Congratulations, there's this episode.
21:06
Speaker 3: A big theme of this episode is we'll get into
21:08
Speaker 3: with talking about some of stuff with the Quomo campaign. Specifically,
21:12
Speaker 3: is we have gotten to the point where, yeah, like
21:15
Speaker 3: protecting women quote unquote doesn't mean anything.
21:19
Speaker 2: Apparently that means assaulting women. Shocking. Who would have thought.
21:33
Speaker 3: Pivoting a little bit to what mom Donni's platform actually
21:36
Speaker 3: was what he ran on.
21:37
Speaker 4: And eventually I need you to talk about his wife
21:39
Speaker 4: because she has become a celebrity in herself.
21:43
Speaker 3: Don't worry, don't worry.
21:45
Speaker 2: You know what.
21:45
Speaker 3: I was just talking about how I don't think we
21:47
Speaker 3: should stand politicians, but I am Marama Stan Let's go
21:52
Speaker 3: she ultimate you know what, it's her art is really cool,
21:55
Speaker 3: by the way, I totally recommend checking it out. But
21:59
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about mom Donnie's platform that he
22:01
Speaker 3: ran on. I went to one of back and forth
22:03
Speaker 3: about how I wanted to break this down because on
22:05
Speaker 3: the one hand, I could just yeah, I focus on
22:07
Speaker 3: like quote unquote women's issues. What's traditionally categorized as women's
22:12
Speaker 3: issues like access to abortion and health and childcare and
22:17
Speaker 3: like domestic violence resources, stuff like that. But I don't
22:20
Speaker 3: think that really gets the whole picture. Really crazy idea
22:23
Speaker 3: about to throw out here. Nobody's ever said this before,
22:27
Speaker 3: but I think that all of all systems of injustice
22:31
Speaker 3: they're connected.
22:33
Speaker 2: Crazy, nobody's ever said that before. Again.
22:37
Speaker 3: Uh, but in this sense, economic issues are women's issues
22:41
Speaker 3: a because women are like participate and are affected by
22:44
Speaker 3: the economy, whether you want to be or not. And
22:48
Speaker 3: then be being a woman or being you know, assigned
22:52
Speaker 3: female birth or whatever that means, you are more likely
22:55
Speaker 3: to experience poverty across the board, especially.
22:59
Speaker 2: Elderly women and single moms and trans women.
23:01
Speaker 3: And so I think, like, yeah, again, if this is
23:03
Speaker 3: these are issues that are going to disproportionately affect women,
23:08
Speaker 3: in a sense.
23:08
Speaker 2: They are women's issues.
23:10
Speaker 4: Even though they don't we talk feminism the need for
23:12
Speaker 4: feminism and why we say when we need feminism is
23:15
Speaker 4: not just about women.
23:19
Speaker 2: What blowing my mind right here?
23:22
Speaker 3: I got to look into this whole thing you're talking about. Yeah,
23:27
Speaker 3: so sorry, mom, Daddy ran on this idea of making
23:30
Speaker 3: New York City and more affordable if you go to
23:32
Speaker 3: his campaign's like platform page.
23:35
Speaker 2: Literally the first.
23:36
Speaker 3: Line is quote New York is too expensive, so are
23:39
Speaker 3: on will lower costs and make your life easier?
23:42
Speaker 2: Sounds good to me? It is it is too expensive.
23:46
Speaker 3: Particularly, some issues that he was focusing on were looking
23:49
Speaker 3: at freezing rent, building word affordable housing, raising minimum wage.
23:53
Speaker 2: These all again sound great to me.
23:55
Speaker 3: Is somebody just living in New York City and not
23:59
Speaker 3: being super wealthy. Also campaigns on free buses and city
24:03
Speaker 3: run grocery stores.
24:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, these obviously.
24:06
Speaker 3: Don't only affect women, but these definitely affect women. I
24:10
Speaker 3: know a lot of women whose lives would be way
24:12
Speaker 3: easier if any or all of these were instituted. But
24:16
Speaker 3: if we want to look particularly at like what are
24:18
Speaker 3: traditionally seen a quote unquote women's issues, there's an entire
24:22
Speaker 3: section on early childhood and education which proposes quote this
24:27
Speaker 3: is also again from his campaign's website quote free child
24:31
Speaker 3: care for every New Yorker aged six weeks.
24:33
Speaker 2: To five years.
24:35
Speaker 3: Side note, I really love that they said every New
24:37
Speaker 3: Yorker aged six weeks. Like the idea of looking at
24:39
Speaker 3: a six week year old baby and being like that's
24:41
Speaker 3: a New Yorker, Like just that is like a very
24:46
Speaker 3: funny image to me. I don't know, I'm picturing like,
24:51
Speaker 3: I don't know, like old school, like Martin scoresizing a character,
24:56
Speaker 3: but like a tiny baby.
24:58
Speaker 4: I'm imagining an infant industroller. People to get out the way.
25:01
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly with like both like accenting. Yeah.
25:05
Speaker 3: His campaign also proposes baby baskets for newborns, which would
25:08
Speaker 3: include quote a collection of essential goods and resources pre
25:11
Speaker 3: of charge, including items like diapers, baby wipes, nursing pads,
25:15
Speaker 3: postpartum pads, wattles, and books. Each NYC baby basket will
25:19
Speaker 3: also include a resource guide of information on the city's
25:22
Speaker 3: newborn home visiting program, breastfeeding, postpartum depression, and more so
25:28
Speaker 3: shout out for bringing up postpartum depression.
25:31
Speaker 2: Just something I don't think we talk about it enough.
25:33
Speaker 2: But yeah, I again.
25:36
Speaker 3: Within his platform, highlighting that he wants to make it
25:41
Speaker 3: easier for new moms, new families to live their lives,
25:47
Speaker 3: to re enter the workforce with free childcare and education,
25:52
Speaker 3: all of that.
25:56
Speaker 2: This is all good in my book, you know.
25:59
Speaker 3: There's also a section, an entire section on LGBTQ plus protections,
26:04
Speaker 3: which again that really stood out to me. Again looking
26:07
Speaker 3: at the Democratic Party right now and seeing certain people
26:12
Speaker 3: within the party that are really encouraging people to like
26:15
Speaker 3: pull back from lgbt issues. The fact that they made
26:18
Speaker 3: this like a whole section on their page really says
26:21
Speaker 3: something to me. So it says, quote, the mom Donian
26:24
Speaker 3: Administration will protect lgbt qia plus New Yorkers by expanding
26:29
Speaker 3: and protecting gender firming care city wide, making NYC and
26:32
Speaker 3: LGBTQIA plus Sextuary City, and creating the Office of lgbt
26:38
Speaker 3: QIA Plus Affairs.
26:43
Speaker 2: We're finally going to get a burrow of ge Let's go.
26:46
Speaker 6: Yes, Gay City is happening.
26:51
Speaker 3: I want to just throw Miname into the throwing. I
26:52
Speaker 3: think I would make a great Minister of Day Life
26:56
Speaker 3: of New York City, just saying anyways, this section also
27:00
Speaker 3: highlights the fact that guess lgbt QIA plus New Yorkers
27:04
Speaker 3: are more likely to be affected by economic issues.
27:07
Speaker 2: So yeah, a nuance again going back to that issue of.
27:09
Speaker 3: Women are more affected, particularly queer women, particularly queer people
27:14
Speaker 3: in general. There is a longer memo on this topic
27:17
Speaker 3: that points specifically to something that happened earlier this year. Quote,
27:21
Speaker 3: a private institution operating with a quarter billion dollar public
27:24
Speaker 3: subsidy should not have the ability to sell out young
27:27
Speaker 3: trans New Yorkers to the Trump administration. Yet that's exactly
27:30
Speaker 3: what happened when NYU Didn't Lang Going decided to stop
27:32
Speaker 3: providing gender affirming care for trans youth. Soon after, other
27:36
Speaker 3: private NYC hospitals also stopped providing necessary life stating healthcare
27:40
Speaker 3: for trans youth. These decisions are indirect contradictions with New
27:43
Speaker 3: York state law. So much terrible stuff has happened this year.
27:48
Speaker 3: I don't blame you if you missed this story or
27:50
Speaker 3: if you just like forgot about it. But as they're
27:55
Speaker 3: saying in this memo, this was a moment I think
27:57
Speaker 3: that was particularly despicable to me because it again, yeah,
28:01
Speaker 3: it directly contradicted New York state law. This was back
28:06
Speaker 3: in February, so this is early on in the Trump administration.
28:08
Speaker 3: This was kind of an early example of a private
28:10
Speaker 3: institution caving to the Trump Administration's policies preemptively. I actually
28:16
Speaker 3: covered a protest when this happened for another show that
28:21
Speaker 3: I work on called Afterlives shameless plug there please go
28:23
Speaker 3: listen to that.
28:24
Speaker 2: And it was.
28:27
Speaker 3: Like, very it was incredibly moving hearing some of these
28:31
Speaker 3: kids speak like, I admire their bravery so much.
28:35
Speaker 2: I was like tearing up during parts of it. It truly,
28:39
Speaker 2: it was so heartbreaking to hear.
28:44
Speaker 3: I This was like one of those moments where I think,
28:48
Speaker 3: like you're seeing in front of you, like the people
28:50
Speaker 3: that are literally affected by it, and a lot of
28:51
Speaker 3: times it's kids, and it's like that they shouldn't be
28:54
Speaker 3: having to shoulder this. Yeah, it's messed up, and it's
28:58
Speaker 3: messed up that they are suffering because these institutions are
29:01
Speaker 3: just sort of preemptively caving or Trump. So I think
29:06
Speaker 3: seeing that that particularly was getting called out in this memo,
29:11
Speaker 3: that was a good efectomy. I think that is something
29:13
Speaker 3: that it is like, this is an issue is taking seriously.
29:16
Speaker 3: He is really committed to protecting gender affirming care, combating some.
29:21
Speaker 2: Of these very vague.
29:25
Speaker 3: Order executive orders and court rulings and whatever from the
29:28
Speaker 3: Trump administration and saying like, no, New York is a sanctuary.
29:32
Speaker 3: New York is a very gay city. New York is
29:34
Speaker 3: a very queer city. Stonewall happened here, Like we're not letting.
29:38
Speaker 2: Go of that. So yeah, all of those issues.
29:41
Speaker 3: Combined, I would say I'm looking at this and my
29:44
Speaker 3: brain is like, sounds like this is a pretty feminist candidate.
29:48
Speaker 2: Sounds like he.
29:52
Speaker 3: Treats women and queer people and people that aren't sis
29:56
Speaker 3: gender and everybody in between and whatever. It seems like
29:59
Speaker 3: he he respects them as human beings. Like to see
30:03
Speaker 3: that from a candidate kind of hard to find these days.
30:07
Speaker 2: But that brings me.
30:08
Speaker 3: To a question which I brought this up before we
30:09
Speaker 3: started recording, which I'm kind of curious to hear your
30:11
Speaker 3: thoughts on. Obviously, another aspect of this election, and particularly
30:18
Speaker 3: in the last couple of weeks, weeks leading off to it,
30:20
Speaker 3: there was a lot of Islamophobic fear mongering, and there
30:22
Speaker 3: was a lot of the kind of assertions that I've
30:27
Speaker 3: heard throughout my entire life as somebody who was two
30:31
Speaker 3: years old when nine to eleven happened, and you know,
30:34
Speaker 3: grew up in the aftermath of all that, which is
30:36
Speaker 3: this idea that Islam is particularly brutal to women, and
30:43
Speaker 3: you know, we need to protect white women, I mean
30:47
Speaker 3: just women, but they mean white women from this kind
30:51
Speaker 3: of scary boogeyman of Islam. There was a lot of
30:54
Speaker 3: fear mongering about like he's gonna in state Sharia law.
31:00
Speaker 2: I love that.
31:00
Speaker 3: I have seen the like Shakira law uh meme going
31:05
Speaker 3: around so many times with just people putting the gift
31:08
Speaker 3: of Shakira dancing, and.
31:10
Speaker 2: I do love that. But uh yeah, like they're there.
31:13
Speaker 3: Which again shocking that the right is contradicting itself. This
31:16
Speaker 3: is also then they're saying like, uh sharia law.
31:20
Speaker 2: And then they're also like and he's.
31:21
Speaker 3: A far left radical and he's gonna bring Stalinism, maoism,
31:26
Speaker 3: evil godless kami, Like what what are you?
31:29
Speaker 2: Anyways, they don't need it to make sense.
31:33
Speaker 3: But my question is does this sort of fear mongering
31:36
Speaker 3: strategy does it still work? Does this fear mongering on
31:39
Speaker 3: ISLM still work in twenty twenty five, I would say
31:43
Speaker 3: yes and no. I think again, we're also looking at
31:45
Speaker 3: New York City. We're not looking at the whole country,
31:47
Speaker 3: so it is a different story. But I was curious
31:49
Speaker 3: as to you, I guess, from two non New Yorkers,
31:52
Speaker 3: what were your thoughts on this?
31:53
Speaker 2: Aye and Samantha.
31:55
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not gonna lie because I didn't know.
31:57
Speaker 4: I knew he was not white, that part was obvious.
32:01
Speaker 4: I didn't know much about his background. I just saw
32:04
Speaker 4: political takes and how much white people really.
32:11
Speaker 6: I didn't like him, and.
32:13
Speaker 3: There's also I will really quick, I've had it, And
32:15
Speaker 3: there's also is some.
32:18
Speaker 2: I uh.
32:19
Speaker 3: There was some sort of fear mongering around particularly the.
32:24
Speaker 2: Israel and the.
32:26
Speaker 3: Fact which interestingly he he has not said anything.
32:31
Speaker 2: Like yeah, particularly bad about Israel.
32:36
Speaker 3: I think he had shown up in support of, like
32:39
Speaker 3: like protesting the genocide that's happening now, right, and that
32:43
Speaker 3: was getting turned into into like the news cycle and like,
32:46
Speaker 3: oh my god, he hates the Jews and he thinks that.
32:48
Speaker 2: Israel is we should destroy Israel, and it was like,
32:51
Speaker 2: I don't think he said that ever.
32:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, anti Semitic, and somehow also translated into like does
32:59
Speaker 4: he have funds that is going to places I don't.
33:03
Speaker 4: I'm gonna don't understand his threat in that specific conversation.
33:08
Speaker 6: Other than influence, I guess.
33:10
Speaker 2: Because there was really funny.
33:12
Speaker 6: It was really interesting.
33:13
Speaker 4: Yeah was out wait who oh the general thrashed out
33:19
Speaker 4: after the results and I was like, yeah, I'm confused.
33:22
Speaker 2: I'll be so real.
33:23
Speaker 3: I did not know who Dever Messang was, but she
33:27
Speaker 3: from another podcast that I was listening to her that was
33:29
Speaker 3: like going into djil about the whole situation that was like, oh, yeah,
33:33
Speaker 3: this makes sense, washed up after grifter fit got it.
33:38
Speaker 6: Uh her flip her red pill like turn.
33:42
Speaker 2: It is like should be studied to be honest, but
33:45
Speaker 2: it's terf.
33:46
Speaker 3: It's like terf ideology and it is like Zionism. That
33:48
Speaker 3: are the two things that like really get people like
33:51
Speaker 3: it is.
33:52
Speaker 2: There's a whole other conversation and were going to a
33:54
Speaker 2: whole episode about that at some point. But there was a.
33:56
Speaker 3: Very funny moment in the one of the debates leading
33:59
Speaker 3: up to the prime where it was the Democratic nominees,
34:02
Speaker 3: where they asked the question was basically like, hey, if
34:06
Speaker 3: you when you become mayor of New York City, where
34:08
Speaker 3: it's the first place you're going to go, And everybody
34:11
Speaker 3: down the line said tel Aviv And then they get
34:13
Speaker 3: to Zoron and he was like I'm staying in New York,
34:16
Speaker 3: like this is the city I'm supposed to be running,
34:18
Speaker 3: which I was like, yeah, why are you doing there?
34:22
Speaker 3: Our current mayor literally got indicted for like taking bribes
34:26
Speaker 3: from Turkey, Like I don't want to hear what other
34:29
Speaker 3: countries they're going to, Like how are you going to
34:31
Speaker 3: fix the problems?
34:32
Speaker 2: Which I don't know.
34:32
Speaker 3: He had a very funny, very I think like professional
34:35
Speaker 3: to say response where he basically was like, yeah, no,
34:38
Speaker 3: like this is a we're talking about local issues.
34:41
Speaker 2: We should be talking about local issues.
34:43
Speaker 3: I'm saying in New York, I'm fixing the problems here,
34:45
Speaker 3: which I was like, yeah, Like that's what I want
34:48
Speaker 3: to hear.
34:48
Speaker 6: All right, that makes the most sense. You're the mayor, right.
35:02
Speaker 4: I felt like this election specifically, it was gonna be
35:04
Speaker 4: a litmus test to a lot in the country, like
35:07
Speaker 4: whether or not I understood everything about him. Like I said,
35:11
Speaker 4: I thought he was from an Indian background and his
35:14
Speaker 4: family Clindage is but then he's from his He was
35:22
Speaker 4: so like, all of those things are separate in these conversations.
35:25
Speaker 4: So I was kind of just confused about this fear
35:28
Speaker 4: mongering about that specifically. I'm like, is this because he's brown?
35:32
Speaker 4: And again I don't know anything about how religion none
35:35
Speaker 4: of that. I was like, are we back to just
35:37
Speaker 4: racially profiling based on literal skin color? Like I'm like,
35:42
Speaker 4: not understanding the background. So for me, all of that
35:46
Speaker 4: was odd. But watching this election knowing that this would
35:50
Speaker 4: be a catalyst to what is happening around the country
35:54
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like New York. Maybe New York
35:57
Speaker 4: City may be the more extreme, but it needs to
35:59
Speaker 4: be the more extreme, so we could have change everywhere
36:02
Speaker 4: else where we don't.
36:03
Speaker 6: We will have a middle ground.
36:05
Speaker 4: And so that middle ground comes from what does the
36:08
Speaker 4: extremists areas have And I don't mean they're extrememists. I'm
36:12
Speaker 4: just saying, like in literal like it seems more to
36:15
Speaker 4: the right to the left of somewhere, so exactly, so
36:21
Speaker 4: like in that level, like what does has look like
36:22
Speaker 4: for the rest of the country. If we see this
36:24
Speaker 4: as a people group, we know that there is hope
36:28
Speaker 4: and seeing that local elections are so important that it
36:31
Speaker 4: does once again help to kind of predict what is
36:36
Speaker 4: the next leading So.
36:37
Speaker 6: That's how I saw it. Any, I don't, I don't.
36:39
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts?
36:44
Speaker 2: Okay, so nothing is one part.
36:45
Speaker 6: I don't think I answered that, pot.
36:47
Speaker 3: I I'll I've been actually an inter interjact really quick.
36:49
Speaker 3: I think to what you were saying. Something I think
36:52
Speaker 3: was really interesting was like there obviously there was kind
36:54
Speaker 3: of the underlying asamophobia. There was and like you said,
36:57
Speaker 3: this was an election in New York City. It's the
36:59
Speaker 3: biggest city in the United States. It is a local election,
37:02
Speaker 3: but also it is kind of a Linimus test for
37:04
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. It does sort of like set the
37:06
Speaker 3: tone for what the Democratic Party is when to be there.
37:09
Speaker 3: When we saw the primary, there was a lot chatter
37:10
Speaker 3: from you know, within the Democratic Party of.
37:12
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, whoa what does this mean?
37:16
Speaker 3: We're gonna actually have to adjust our platform to issues
37:20
Speaker 3: that people care about what? But there was Yeah, so
37:23
Speaker 3: there was some early is obviously from like the right
37:27
Speaker 3: and from Trump that was very loud because everybody was
37:30
Speaker 3: paying attention to this election at the same time.
37:32
Speaker 2: I think, like looking.
37:35
Speaker 3: Particularly at the month leading up to the election, the
37:39
Speaker 3: Cuomo campaign like doubled down to that as well, Like
37:42
Speaker 3: it was sort of like a hail Mary, Like there
37:45
Speaker 3: were he released some really terrible statements being like, oh, yeah,
37:51
Speaker 3: he would like cheer on an under nine to eleven
37:52
Speaker 3: if it happened, like terrible insane thing to say. Yeah,
37:57
Speaker 3: Like there was a point where you could tell like
37:59
Speaker 3: the campaign was sort of like, you know what, final hour,
38:03
Speaker 3: Let's see if this works, and it didn't.
38:07
Speaker 2: It didn't.
38:07
Speaker 3: I think that is worth looking at. But it still
38:11
Speaker 3: was attacked at big try, so it is sort of like, yeah, again,
38:14
Speaker 3: it's it's on the one hand, it is like we
38:18
Speaker 3: still I'm shocking that America is still racist.
38:22
Speaker 2: Who would have thought?
38:23
Speaker 3: But also I think there is a question of, like,
38:25
Speaker 3: it's not going to be as effective as it was.
38:27
Speaker 2: I think that there is like more pushback to that.
38:30
Speaker 3: That feels good to me, that feels like we're headed
38:35
Speaker 3: in a good direction.
38:36
Speaker 1: But yes, okay, so related. I I knew I knew
38:45
Speaker 1: what was going on in the New York collection, but
38:47
Speaker 1: I only kind of knew the I like the basics,
38:51
Speaker 1: and then SNL did a sketch on it, and it
38:54
Speaker 1: was I was reading the comments and I was like, oh,
38:56
Speaker 1: New Yorkers, you guys are so funny.
38:59
Speaker 2: So but I would say that in my.
39:09
Speaker 1: What I encountered about the kind of Islamophobia regards in
39:14
Speaker 1: regards to women issue with this, I've I mean, I
39:18
Speaker 1: always thought and still think that that's just a let's
39:23
Speaker 1: here's the blame. Here's just really scary, we actually don't
39:25
Speaker 1: care about women. I've always thought that, but I think
39:28
Speaker 1: in this case that in so many rights have just
39:33
Speaker 1: gotten pushed back, and I don't even think people cared
39:38
Speaker 1: about that I think they just cared he was Muslim
39:41
Speaker 1: and didn't have to go a step.
39:43
Speaker 2: Further right, Like it's almost sort of.
39:45
Speaker 3: Like the right is so mask off at this point
39:47
Speaker 3: that they don't even have to pretend to care about women,
39:49
Speaker 3: because again, like what you're saying, I always was kind
39:51
Speaker 3: of just a grift. It was a like pretending to
39:53
Speaker 3: carer meanwhile, where we don't want women to vote. But
39:59
Speaker 3: like I think I kind of agree with you where
40:02
Speaker 3: I think like there was so much fear mongering among
40:05
Speaker 3: around the fact that he was Muslim, that he uh
40:07
Speaker 3: was a like brown man running for office.
40:10
Speaker 2: Uh, But.
40:15
Speaker 3: I wasn't like there was Yeah, again like when people
40:19
Speaker 3: say sharia law, we know they're they're we know what
40:21
Speaker 3: they're talking about. They are like kind of pulling back
40:24
Speaker 3: to like Taliban images. But at the same time, there
40:26
Speaker 3: wasn't as much like direct like like I wasn't I think,
40:30
Speaker 3: like the rhetoric that I remember hearing growing up a
40:32
Speaker 3: lot around like the war in Afghanistan and the war
40:35
Speaker 3: in Iraq and like quote unquote why we were there
40:38
Speaker 3: and we were there to like liberate.
40:39
Speaker 2: Women from the Taliban.
40:40
Speaker 3: I wasn't hearing as much of like that rhetoric, which again,
40:43
Speaker 3: I I.
40:44
Speaker 2: That is bullshit.
40:45
Speaker 3: I'm wanna say that's bull because these are the same
40:47
Speaker 3: people that again now don't want women to have the
40:50
Speaker 3: right to vote.
40:51
Speaker 5: Uh.
40:53
Speaker 2: But yeah, Like I think.
40:54
Speaker 3: It is interesting that we have gotten so far, like
40:57
Speaker 3: the right has gone so far that they like can't
40:59
Speaker 3: even tend to care about that anymore, which I think
41:03
Speaker 3: ultimately ends up kind of being a good thing because then, yeah,
41:06
Speaker 3: you're gonna have less like centrist center left feminists that
41:10
Speaker 3: are going to kind of get conned into thinking this way,
41:13
Speaker 3: which yeah, like it's I guess, I guess maybe it's
41:18
Speaker 3: good that they're just going full crazy fascist at this point.
41:22
Speaker 2: I don't know.
41:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of nice to know who your
41:25
Speaker 4: enemy is. Yeah, But I do find it interesting because
41:28
Speaker 4: if as it was supposed to be, and as we
41:31
Speaker 4: understand it, that there's a separation of church and state,
41:35
Speaker 4: and that's how I believe like politicians should be, and
41:40
Speaker 4: he's kind of in that level of like, oh, yeah,
41:42
Speaker 4: we trust that he's going to understand, like not that
41:45
Speaker 4: there's anything being wrong with Muslim but that's just not
41:47
Speaker 4: a factor unless that's what your stance is on.
41:50
Speaker 6: As we see with Christian nationalism, you.
41:52
Speaker 2: Know exactly exactly.
41:53
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, I look,
41:56
Speaker 3: there's politicians that I respect that I'm like, I know
41:59
Speaker 3: that there they don't have the same beliefs as me,
42:04
Speaker 3: whether they're Christian or Muslim or whatever, and like I
42:10
Speaker 3: also understand, like I don't know. Yeah, Like for me,
42:13
Speaker 3: I never was a concern that I was.
42:14
Speaker 4: Like, I'm more concerned if that is a stance that
42:17
Speaker 4: you're putting your your like political views on. If you're
42:20
Speaker 4: sitting here and saying, I believe God is the foremost
42:22
Speaker 4: so therefore everything in law should be based on my
42:25
Speaker 4: beliefs in God as we are seeing.
42:28
Speaker 3: In Like, I think there's also something to be said
42:31
Speaker 3: about the fact that again Like he made queer rights
42:37
Speaker 3: a tenth pole of his campaign. He the weekend before
42:41
Speaker 3: Halloween weekend, he was out at a bunch of gay
42:45
Speaker 3: bars campaigning. I am so mad that I decided to
42:48
Speaker 3: say it that Saturday, because of course, it was like
42:51
Speaker 3: the first day in a while that I was like, oh,
42:52
Speaker 3: I'm really tired.
42:53
Speaker 2: I went out two nights and well it was Halloween
42:55
Speaker 2: week Like, so I'm gonna arrest I'm gonna.
42:57
Speaker 3: Be responsible and then of course Zarn Mam Dannie is
43:00
Speaker 3: out at a bunch of bars, like not far from
43:02
Speaker 3: where I live. So I was like, cool, it's fine whatever,
43:07
Speaker 3: But like it was sort of.
43:11
Speaker 1: Like the.
43:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've gotten a point where I think people are
43:16
Speaker 3: willing to or people are able.
43:19
Speaker 2: At least some people. Again, we're talking about New York City.
43:22
Speaker 3: I don't know how much this is like a nationwide ye,
43:24
Speaker 3: but they're like there's more acknowledgment of the fact that
43:26
Speaker 3: it's like, you can be a progressive Muslim the same
43:29
Speaker 3: way like I my background as I grew up. One
43:34
Speaker 3: of my parents is Jewish, one of parents is Catholic.
43:36
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people that are progressive Jews, that
43:40
Speaker 3: are progressive Christians that like have no problem with gay
43:44
Speaker 3: people or going out to the club, or premarital sex
43:49
Speaker 3: or whatever kind of abortion, et cetera. Stuff that you know,
43:54
Speaker 3: weird culture war stuff. Now I think that there has
43:58
Speaker 3: been a little bit more space to be like, yeah,
43:59
Speaker 3: there's nothing that makes Islam.
44:01
Speaker 2: Really any different in that regard.
44:04
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people that are I think, like
44:07
Speaker 3: they grew up Muslim, they're failing or they're kind of
44:10
Speaker 3: added towards towards Islam or very similar to my attitude
44:12
Speaker 3: towards Judaism, where I'm like, it's part of my identity,
44:14
Speaker 3: it's part of my upbringing, it's part of my values.
44:17
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not particularly religious.
44:19
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like judge people because they don't follow
44:23
Speaker 3: all these rules or whatever. I don't follow any all
44:26
Speaker 3: of those rules, Like I don't know. I only keep
44:31
Speaker 3: kosher when I don't want to eat something, and it
44:33
Speaker 3: gives me an easy excuse.
44:34
Speaker 9: So UH.
44:42
Speaker 2: Got brunch.
44:43
Speaker 3: Last time we saw each other in person, I was like, yeah,
44:46
Speaker 3: I'm not eating bacon because I don't like pork, and
44:50
Speaker 3: I just tell people that I keep kosher or whatever
44:52
Speaker 3: I'm asked if I want pork products, even though I
44:56
Speaker 3: will eat a cheeseburger without a second thought. But but yeah, anyway, Yeah,
45:03
Speaker 3: it was sort of like the To me, this was
45:05
Speaker 3: kind of the the like grasping at straws. Yeah, it
45:09
Speaker 3: was the accumulation of like the hypocrisy of all this
45:14
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, you can't really point to the
45:17
Speaker 3: dude out at mood Ring at two am and be like, yeah,
45:23
Speaker 3: I think this guy uh wants everybody to wear burkas
45:26
Speaker 3: and women and men can't look at each other. I
45:29
Speaker 3: don't know, like all of the weird fear monk, which
45:31
Speaker 3: again is it also exists in every religion.
45:34
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is kind of a terrorist nation with
45:37
Speaker 4: Christian nationalism, Like several countries have put warnings on this
45:41
Speaker 4: country for that, so I can't.
45:42
Speaker 6: Say that out loud. Samantha is different, you know, religion.
45:51
Speaker 1: Sorry, So listeners, it happened again. Joey and I we
45:57
Speaker 1: get to go in.
45:57
Speaker 9: Samantha's personally, Oh my goodness, and we just got to
46:03
Speaker 9: talking and there's so much to discuss, and so we
46:08
Speaker 9: did break this conversation up into two parts again unexpectedly.
46:14
Speaker 1: So again you're getting an outro from me and not
46:17
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46:32
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46:34
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46:45
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46:49
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