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Sharri | 8 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News, this is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen is triggering a political earthquake. No longer a
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Speaker 2: protest movement, now a powerful force the political class can't ignore.
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Speaker 2: We'll look at the crisis talks in the coalition in
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Speaker 2: breaking news tonight. Just moments ago, President Donald Trump has
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Speaker 2: responded to news the Iran War is back on. I'll
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Speaker 2: bring you Trump's comments this as Israel has hit a
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Speaker 2: series of targets in Iran after tay Ran launched twenty
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Speaker 2: ballistic missiles against Israel in surprise attacks.
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Speaker 1: Trump's peace plan looks dead in the water.
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Speaker 2: We'll cross live to Tel Aviv shortly and Labour's self
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Speaker 2: indulgent complaints over a billboard while the nation suffers. But first,
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Speaker 2: we begin tonight with the breaking news out of the
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Speaker 2: Middle East, where the Iran War is back on in
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Speaker 2: a dramatic new phase. There are reports in the past
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Speaker 2: hour of major explosions in and around Tehran, with their
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Speaker 2: defenses activated across parts of the capitol. Iranian regime linked
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Speaker 2: Man news agency has claimed that a drone has been
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Speaker 2: shot down over Tehran. The blast reportedly shook the area
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Speaker 2: around Iran's Foreign Ministry but at this stage the exact location, source,
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Speaker 2: and any casualties remain unclear.
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Speaker 1: Here's what we know so far.
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Speaker 2: In the past twenty four hours, Iran has launched at
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Speaker 2: least twenty ballistic missiles at Israel the surprise attack at
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Speaker 2: two am local time. Thankfully, these missiles were intercepted or
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Speaker 2: hit open areas. The Iran backed Hooties in Yemen also
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Speaker 2: fired two ballistic missiles, both failing to hit their targets.
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Speaker 2: In retaliation, Israel has carried out two waves of strikes.
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Speaker 1: In Iran, with the latest just in the past hour.
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Speaker 2: According to Israeli media, dozens of Israeli Air Force jets
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Speaker 2: struck nine Iranian air defense systems in western and central Iran,
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Speaker 2: as well as hitting three factories at a petrochemical complex
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Speaker 2: in southwest Iran. President Donald Trump has been urging Israel
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Speaker 2: to stand down, so it's important to note that there's
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Speaker 2: reportedly been an i quote full coordination between the Israeli
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Speaker 2: Defense Force and the US Central Command IDF. Chief of
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Speaker 2: Staff Lieutenant General e Al Zimir has been in regular
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Speaker 2: contact with his counterpart, Sentcom Chief Admirable Admiral Brad Cooper.
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Speaker 2: The US military has not participated in any of these
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Speaker 2: offensive strikes, but it has helped Israel intercept Iranian missile.
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Speaker 2: This is a fast moving situation, but what we're now
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Speaker 2: seeing tonight is a very serious escalation. Despite President Trump's
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Speaker 2: best efforts his ceasefire is this evening in Tatits. This
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Speaker 2: is despite Trump telling the media that he calls the
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Speaker 2: shots and Israel had no choice but to back down.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, in the last.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, the President has posted on truth Social Israel
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Speaker 2: and Iran must immediately stop shooting.
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Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump.
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Speaker 2: So that is a major intervention there from the President.
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Speaker 2: He's saying, Israel and Iran must immediately stop shooting. He
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Speaker 2: wants to salvage he's now dead in the water, peace steel.
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Speaker 2: The question is will they listen to him. The United
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Speaker 2: States does not control Israel, and the Jewish nation has
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Speaker 2: there's no choice but to respond when it's under attack
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Speaker 2: from Iran, as it was overnight with families racing to
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Speaker 2: bombshelters for safety.
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Speaker 1: Now, this return to war is not on Israel.
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Speaker 2: It is entirely because of Iran strikes on the Jewish nation.
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Speaker 2: And the reality is, and Trump has to acknowledge this
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Speaker 2: reality that Iran never wanted a peace deal. It was
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Speaker 2: simply stringing the president along, delaying a return to war
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Speaker 2: until it could regroup and re arm. The IDF is
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Speaker 2: reportedly briefing Israeli journalists that they expect fighting to last
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Speaker 2: for at least several days, but they are saying there
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Speaker 2: is the potential full resumption of war.
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Speaker 1: Tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll cross live to Israel. I'll speak with former government
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Speaker 2: spokesman Elon Levy and will bring you breaking news as
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Speaker 2: it happens. Pauline Hanson is making history with unstoppable momentum,
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Speaker 2: soaring in the polls with a particular burst since Labour's
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Speaker 2: toxic budget and the Coalition has no strategy to compete,
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson now has a higher primary vote than either
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Speaker 2: Labour or the Coalition, recording a primary of thirty one percent.
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Speaker 2: According to newspold Today, this is ground bake breaking for
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Speaker 2: One Nation. It's a massive rise since the federal election
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Speaker 2: only thirteen months ago, when One Nation had just six
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Speaker 2: point four percent of the primary vote, and it's the
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Speaker 2: first time since Newspop began in nineteen eighty five that
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Speaker 2: the major parties have less than fifty percent of the vote.
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Speaker 2: Labor and the coalition's primary vote according to Newspolt today
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Speaker 2: together only totals forty eight percent. The coalition primary are
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Speaker 2: lowe used to be around forty percent, and the common
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Speaker 2: wisdom has been that it needs to be that level.
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Speaker 1: To comfortably win an election.
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Speaker 2: Its primary has fallen three points since the budget, showing
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Speaker 2: that Angus Taylor hasn't been able to capitalize on it.
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Speaker 1: He's not doing enough.
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Speaker 2: Media to speak to voters, whereas Pauline is everywhere now
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Speaker 2: turning to Labor. Its primary is at its lowest point
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Speaker 2: since Julia Gillard's government. Newspole also recorded that sixty percent
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Speaker 2: of voters were dissatisfied with Albanese's performance, a figure that
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Speaker 2: hasn't been recorded since Tony Abbott was Prime Minister in
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Now the message is coming out of Newspop
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Speaker 2: is that Australian politics needs a big shake.
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Speaker 1: Up to fix this mess. It's actually a very.
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Speaker 2: Similar sentiment to the movement that drove Donald Trump to
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Speaker 2: the presidency twice. And why doesn't need to shake up well?
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Speaker 1: Rising inflation, rising.
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Speaker 2: Interest rates, soaring electric prices, energy prices, numerous broken promises,
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Speaker 2: the toxic budget, the terror threat, which culminated in Bondai
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Speaker 2: Alberzi's refusal to do the decent thing and call a
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Speaker 2: royal commission, the Isis Bride's fiasco and his minister's exorbitant
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Speaker 2: travel expenses. Looking at our country now, many voters are
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Speaker 2: coming to the inescapable conclusion that it is broken. The
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Speaker 2: government has a shocking record which has seen our safety
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Speaker 2: deteriorate to the point the Jewish community is living in
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Speaker 2: fear of another attack, and it's seen an appalling economic decline,
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Speaker 2: where Albinizi thinks the solution is redistribution of hard earned
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Speaker 2: wealth and the imposition of higher taxes, and all the
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Speaker 2: while they continue on their growth esque spending spree with
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Speaker 2: business class flights at taxpayer expense. In this climate, the
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Speaker 2: complaints that Pauline Hanson hasn't costed her policies falls flat.
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Speaker 2: Voters don't care about costed policies when labor is blowing
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Speaker 2: the piggybank with debts set to hit one point two
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Speaker 2: trillion dollars, and families are paying more when they can
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Speaker 2: least afford it. In a climate of repeated and unforgivable
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Speaker 2: broken promises which are hurting the hip pocket Pauline Hanson's
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Speaker 2: authenticity appeals to voters.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Hanson, like Trump, doesn't care about what's politically correct or
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Speaker 2: considered socially acceptable. She unapologetically says what she thinks. Just
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Speaker 2: one example, while the Coalition is tiptoeing around the Ben
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Speaker 2: Robert Smith war charge issue, Hanson on the weekend held
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Speaker 2: an event expressing her unequivocal support for him, and many
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Speaker 2: Australians happen to agree with her.
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Speaker 1: Here she was I.
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Speaker 3: Said, Ben, don't give up.
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Speaker 4: You have so many Australians that are behind you, supporting you,
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Speaker 4: encouraging you, respect you.
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Speaker 1: And he said, Pauline, I know.
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Speaker 2: By contrast, Liberal m P Andrew Hasty was part of
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Speaker 2: the defamation case against Ben Robert Smith and it has
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Speaker 2: damaged him with voters. His political fortunes are sinking over this,
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Speaker 2: plus the revelations of his ongoing friendship with Malcolm Turnbull,
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Speaker 2: and to make matters worse, he's now come out criticizing Pauline.
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Speaker 2: He says, Pauline Hansen's problem is that she is maga first,
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Speaker 2: even when the Australian people suffer the economic consequences. He says,
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Speaker 2: our first loyalty must be to the Australian people. The
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Speaker 2: US is a close but we should always be frank
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Speaker 2: with our friends and speak up for the national interest.
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Speaker 2: And comments come despite the fact Angus Taylor has told
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Speaker 2: his MPs to go easy on critiquing Hansen because it
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Speaker 2: risks antagonizing her supporters and turning them off the coalition.
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Speaker 2: Here's another example. Anthony Albanisi and Julia Gillard came out
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Speaker 2: to express outrage that there's a banner of Jacinta Allen
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Speaker 2: with the words ditch the Witch. Julia Gilliard said this
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Speaker 2: was a slogan used against me as Prime Minister fifteen
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Speaker 2: years ago.
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Speaker 1: It was roundly condemned.
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Speaker 2: Then in the years since, my view has been that
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Speaker 2: things were slowly improving for women in politics. I'm sad
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Speaker 2: and to see that improvement cast aside and this tired
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Speaker 2: old trope resurrected. Well, And here was the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: speaking about this because it's such an important issue for
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Speaker 2: him to speak publicly on.
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Speaker 5: What worries me is the misogyny that's involved there. The
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Speaker 5: sexist campaign targeting the Victorian premiere is totally unacceptable and
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Speaker 5: has no place in public life. What I don't want
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Speaker 5: to do is to have a press comments in this
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Speaker 5: courtyard after a tragedy.
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Speaker 2: I mean their anger about it is it's out of touch.
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Speaker 2: Voters don't care that Allan is being called a sexist term.
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Speaker 2: That anger from Gillard and Albanezi is misplaced. It's indulgent,
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Speaker 2: even when Australians are genuinely angry about the heavy taxes
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Speaker 2: these labor governments are imposing.
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Speaker 1: And Hanson instinctively understands this.
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Speaker 2: And here was her message to Justiner Alan on James
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Speaker 2: McPherson's program.
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Speaker 4: Suck it up, sweetheart, right if you've seen what's happened
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Speaker 4: to me over the years. I remember years ago Tim
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Speaker 4: Fisher called me a which should be burned at the stake.
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Speaker 4: So I've been tagged that long before you. So anyway,
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Speaker 4: it's just tough enough. And besides, jisinder. I'll tell you
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Speaker 4: something I've heard on the grapevine. You won't be there
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Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks time. I think they're ready
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Speaker 4: to move you on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is some news on that. We'll come to
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Speaker 2: that in a minute. But for better or for worse,
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Speaker 2: Hansen's rise is the response to a political class that
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Speaker 2: has taken advantage of voters for too long. It's the
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Speaker 2: response to a string of broken promises, higher taxes and
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Speaker 2: cost of living pressures that are breaking families. She's not
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Speaker 2: causing the political crisis. Her popular emergence is precisely in
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Speaker 2: response to it. Hanson isn't creating the revolt.
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Speaker 1: She's simply seizing on it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, for more on this now, I'm joined by Sky
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Speaker 2: News host Steve Price and fellow host Joe hild Around.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you both on this public holiday or
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Speaker 1: no holidays for us.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, well, it's still lovely to have the family
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Speaker 2: at home and the kids not at school. Now, I
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Speaker 2: want to start with this breaking story in the Herald
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Speaker 2: Sun tonight that shows that Jacinta Allen is in serious
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Speaker 2: trouble the Victorian Premiere. The polls are so bad that
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Speaker 2: they're actually looking to replace her with Ben Carroll. Here,
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Speaker 2: we've got the figures on the screen right now, so
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Speaker 2: you can see there, Victorian Prime we vote one nation
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Speaker 2: ahead of labor coalitions, still ahead of the two.
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Speaker 1: Steve Price, what.
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Speaker 2: Are you hearing and can you tell us how likely
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Speaker 2: it is that just months out from the state election,
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Speaker 2: which is in November, just into Alan could be rolled
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Speaker 2: by Ben Carroll.
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Speaker 3: Well, this Freshwater poll's gone off like a bomb inside
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Speaker 3: Labor Party headquarters, Shari, no doubt about that. I mean
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Speaker 3: the coalitions now two party preferred fifty three to forty
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Speaker 3: seven ahead of the Labor Party. And as you said,
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Speaker 3: one nation is a head of Labor as well. This
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Speaker 3: is the worst primary vote that Labor in Victoria has
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Speaker 3: had in generations. And look, I would not be surprised
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Speaker 3: if Jacinda Allen is gone by the end of the week.
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Speaker 3: This poll here is the one that's going to finally
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Speaker 3: do her in that were already talking and mutterings about
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Speaker 3: replacing her with As you said, Ben Carroll, late last
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Speaker 3: week on Friday, the Financial Review reported that it's been
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Speaker 3: reported again in the Herald Sun today. I would suspect
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Speaker 3: that between now and Thursday there will be a caucus
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Speaker 3: meeting and the Labor Party will tell to Center Allen
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Speaker 3: her time as premier is up. They can't leave her there.
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Speaker 3: They won't win the election. And for the first time
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Speaker 3: for a long time, people are now saying that the
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Speaker 3: Coalition in Victoria might win government.
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Speaker 1: So, Joe, this is six smarts out from the election.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do they.
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Speaker 2: Really hope that a change in leader could see victory
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Speaker 2: for labor or is this about saving saving the.
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Speaker 6: Furniture, saving the furniture.
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Speaker 7: And it just means you have enough MPs who are
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Speaker 7: so scared witless for one of a more accurate rhyming
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Speaker 7: term that they are they're going to they know they're
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Speaker 7: going to lose their seat, they're going to lose their
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Speaker 7: careers if they carry on down this path. And that
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Speaker 7: will mean that even though the left has the majority
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Speaker 7: in the caucus, those left wing MPs will see how
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Speaker 7: much they care about solidarity and the cause, because as
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Speaker 7: soon as their jobs are on the line, they will
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Speaker 7: vote for whoever is the best hope of retaining them.
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Speaker 7: They have to do it, they have to do it now.
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Speaker 7: This is the worst possible. I mean, it's fresh water,
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Speaker 7: so maybe you take it with a bit of a
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Speaker 7: grain of salt.
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Speaker 1: They've got it completely, they've got a completely.
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Speaker 7: That's right in the in the last federal election. But
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Speaker 7: the fact that one nation is below the coalition is
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Speaker 7: another real real problem for labor. Now Labor would be
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Speaker 7: hoping that one nation outpole the Libs. The Libs get
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Speaker 7: knocked out and some of those soft liberal votes because
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Speaker 7: Labor in Victoria is very sort of very teal colored
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Speaker 7: that those kind of soft liberal, wet liberal votes they
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Speaker 7: come back to Labor and maybe make them a bit
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Speaker 7: more competitive. But if the Libs knock out One Nation,
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Speaker 7: then all of those votes are going to go to
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Speaker 7: the colalish or almost all.
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Speaker 2: It's fascinating that the one nation vote is even that
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Speaker 2: high in Victoria because it's traditionally been quite a progressive state.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was asked about the rise of One
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Speaker 2: Nation today. He drew on this famous political catchphrase to
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Speaker 2: explain the rise.
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Speaker 5: To paraphrase to the economy. Stupid, So all as the economy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Steve, yes, it's the economy along with other things.
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Speaker 2: But surely he can understand that Australian voters hate his budget.
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Speaker 2: So if it's the economy, why isn't he fixing his budget.
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Speaker 3: He's delusional and he doesn't live in Victoria and he
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Speaker 3: doesn't understand what the Victorian Labor Party have done to Victorians.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this state is a complete mess. We've got
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Speaker 3: a crime crisis. You've got kids with machetes cutting each
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Speaker 3: other up in shopping centers as recently as Saturday. You've
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Speaker 3: got land tax many people can't have a second property,
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Speaker 3: and so they've been tax out of having a holiday house.
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Speaker 3: You've got graffiti everywhere, You've got rubbish strewn on the streets.
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Speaker 3: You've got police stations that are not open twenty four
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Speaker 3: hours a day. They're shut. So when you turn up
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Speaker 3: there to tell someone that you've had a machete wielding
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Speaker 3: teenager in your bedroom stealing your car, there's no one there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, forget about Albin Easy and the stuff about
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Speaker 3: cost to living. This state is like a third world
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Speaker 3: country labour of running into the ground. This would have
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Speaker 3: been their fourth term if they won. They now are
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Speaker 3: not going to win. You can put you know, you
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Speaker 3: can put anybody in there. I can tell you what.
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Speaker 3: The brothel owner who's paying for that ditch the witch
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Speaker 3: trailer to be towed around town, well, he can save
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Speaker 3: his money from tomorrow because it won't matter because she'll
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Speaker 3: be on by the end of the week.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just back to the point I made before, Joe.
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Speaker 2: Of course it's a sexist billboard. But you know that
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Speaker 2: watching the politicians get so excised about this is so
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Speaker 2: frustrating for voters when when what just center Allen has
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Speaker 2: put them through what the federal government with its budget
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Speaker 2: is putting them through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think it's an ugly billboard. I don't like
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Speaker 7: that kind of discourse. But again, talking about it or
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Speaker 7: even you know, trying to say you know that calling
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Speaker 7: it sexist is I mean it is, obviously, but it
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Speaker 7: is so counterproductive. I don't know why Labor would even
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Speaker 7: be rolling out that line. I mean, it's what it's
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Speaker 7: often what happens. You know, it's the old you know,
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Speaker 7: you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you?
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Speaker 8: You know?
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Speaker 1: I isn't it back to their old political argument?
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Speaker 2: You know, this sexism line worked for them against Scott Morrison,
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Speaker 2: so let's try it now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but always just love falling back on that.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, But I think it's just and again
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Speaker 7: it's a failure to understand what the electorate is actually saying.
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Speaker 7: I mean, Alberiz is right that it is the economy,
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Speaker 7: but it's also labor didn't lose. Labor didn't win the
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty five elections so much as Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 7: the Coalition lost it.
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Speaker 3: And not the economy in Victoria.
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Speaker 7: And it's not the economy in Victory, it is the
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Speaker 7: state of the state. Sorry, I was talking nashally, but yeah,
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Speaker 7: the state Victoria is a particular basket case. There's no
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Speaker 7: question about that, and has got to go, and Ben
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Speaker 7: Carroll has got to come in to just have even
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Speaker 7: a semblance of competitiveness.
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Speaker 2: Let's turn to this These comments that Charlie Pickering made
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Speaker 2: last week when he told ivm Andy that it was
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Speaker 2: problematic for the ABC to give Grace Tamer podcast. I
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Speaker 2: mean that is an understatement because she called to globalize
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Speaker 2: the intervata in Sydney and she said the rape of
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Speaker 2: Jewish women on October seven was propaganda. Now, we all
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Speaker 2: praised Charlie Pickering for his courage, but it seems he
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Speaker 2: succumbed to pressure from the left from the backlash.
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Speaker 9: But whatever beliefs I may hold on any particular issue,
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Speaker 9: it cannot be said that I have a problem with
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Speaker 9: or would ever in any way have gone after Grace Tame.
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Speaker 9: I am a fan and I look forward to listening
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Speaker 9: to her podcast.
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Speaker 2: Steve, I genuinely find it impossible that anyone would be
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Speaker 2: looking forward to listening to Grace Tames's podcast. Is there
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Speaker 2: a total capitulation to those on the left who were
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Speaker 2: threatening to counsel him over his remarks.
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Speaker 3: On thousand percent. I mean, Charlie Pickering used to have courage.
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Speaker 3: I shared the Odess with him on Channel tens the
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Speaker 3: Project for about five or six years. He was always
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Speaker 3: someone who's very forthright in his views. He's of the left,
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Speaker 3: we all know that. But he never backed down. He
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Speaker 3: always used to argue with management. I've sat in meetings
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Speaker 3: and I'm not breaking confidences here where Charlie has spent
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Speaker 3: twenty minutes, thirty minutes arguing with the senior executive of
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Speaker 3: that show that he wanted to say what he wanted
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Speaker 3: to say. Suddenly he gets a job presenting the Drive
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Speaker 3: show on the ABC in Melbourne. He wanders out the
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Speaker 3: front to try and get some content for his new program,
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Speaker 3: and he had only been on air one day and
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Speaker 3: he stumbles into that comment about Grace Tag, which you
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Speaker 3: know he probably believes, and then ABC management have builted
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Speaker 3: him over the head, handed him a lawyer's piece of
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Speaker 3: paper saying read that out on air, mate and apologize
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Speaker 3: or your jobs at risk. I mean, Charlie. I thought
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Speaker 3: Charlie had much more courage than that. I hate to
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Speaker 3: say it, but that's what I think.
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Speaker 7: I actually don't think it was ABC management ready in
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Speaker 7: the ride out at all. I think he's just gutless,
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Speaker 7: and I think.
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Speaker 1: He saw the hime as well from the project or
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Speaker 1: from Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I thought, well, I thought Charlie's had plenty of guys
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Speaker 7: at me on his show, which was prompted prompted a
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Speaker 7: huge amount of everyone.
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Speaker 1: Joe, what could he possibly?
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Speaker 7: I just decided I was going to be the punching
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Speaker 7: bag on the weekly and every single, every single time,
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Speaker 7: every single time he did that, there would be an
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Speaker 7: absolute avalanche of hatred that would be unleas on Twitter
22:01
Speaker 7: and on me yep, and I would get it and
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Speaker 7: I'd kind of have to deal with it and wide
22:06
Speaker 7: through it, and I reckon and I've had to deal
22:08
Speaker 7: with all these things from the left, encouraged by him
22:11
Speaker 7: and others, and the same thing has happened to him.
22:15
Speaker 7: He ended up having to apologize for it because he
22:17
Speaker 7: got something so completely wrong that I was completely taken
22:20
Speaker 7: out of context in a bit that view was aired
22:23
Speaker 7: on his actual TV show. So for him to claim
22:28
Speaker 7: that he was taken out of context, when in fact
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Speaker 7: the full video of exchange proves that that is absolutely bullshit.
22:35
Speaker 7: And for him to suddenly buckle and go weak at
22:37
Speaker 7: the knees and not be able to take it when
22:39
Speaker 7: he gets the sort of backlash that he actually encourages
22:43
Speaker 7: against others. He's very active on social media and picking
22:46
Speaker 7: people out and challenging them, as he has done to
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Speaker 7: me also, But as soon as something happens to him
22:51
Speaker 7: and he's the one who's accused of wrong think, he
22:53
Speaker 7: just buckles like a baby.
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Speaker 1: Can I just get this right?
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Speaker 2: So you're both at Channel ten and he was, he
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Speaker 2: was attacking you from the same.
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Speaker 7: He may there was. He was very very fond of
23:05
Speaker 7: having you go at me on Twitter and social media,
23:07
Speaker 7: and then when he left Channel ten to start the Weekly,
23:11
Speaker 7: he would regularly lampoon me in his TV show. And again,
23:16
Speaker 7: it's a free country, he's able to do that. But
23:19
Speaker 7: I got anything like you'd find something, turn.
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Speaker 3: On Channel anything, anyone like Joe.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing.
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Speaker 2: Famously, I mean we we criticize him for it here
23:31
Speaker 2: because he's famous.
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Speaker 1: You're famously friends with everybody.
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Speaker 7: That's right, But he loves to have a shot at
23:37
Speaker 7: people and think that he's smarter than people, you know,
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Speaker 7: and then he.
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Speaker 1: Comes out says I was younger and he is gutless.
23:43
Speaker 7: I'm saying he couldn't handle the backlash. The ABC has
23:45
Speaker 7: publicly said they had no problem with what he said
23:48
Speaker 7: and it was his personal opinion, as indeed he said Jemeny,
23:53
Speaker 7: I think he just couldn't handle the backlash. He couldn't
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Speaker 7: handle the lefty lovees turning against him, and he just
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Speaker 7: folded like a house of cards. It's embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: I had no idea that whole media feud was ever
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Speaker 2: going on so well. I think you've just started it, actually, Joe.
24:11
Speaker 2: I'm sure Charlie will be responding on his taxpay funded
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Speaker 2: radio platform now very quickly. I want to get your take.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody has seen the clip by now of
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump stormy out of that interview with NBC when
24:24
Speaker 2: they were pressing him on the claims about the rigged
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Speaker 2: election in twenty twenty. As Steve, should he have stormed
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Speaker 2: out and apparently he trod on the microphone as well.
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Speaker 3: He should have gone earlier. He shouldn't have sat around
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Speaker 3: and waited for that nonsense to be fed up to him.
24:41
Speaker 3: I mean, he should have just walked out once that
24:43
Speaker 3: all begin I don't know why Donald Trump bothers I
24:45
Speaker 3: think he does all this because he has he has
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Speaker 3: fun doing it. I think he actually enjoys this. He
24:52
Speaker 3: really likes a place to his base, and so he
24:54
Speaker 3: can bash up some lefty CBSNBC Journal and everybody goes
24:58
Speaker 3: you biddy well, unders President, keep building them.
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Speaker 1: There are figures like that.
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Speaker 2: I won't say who who say to you ask really
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Speaker 2: hard questions because they want to have the viral clips.
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Speaker 1: So I think it does help them politically. All Right,
25:10
Speaker 1: We've got to go. Joe hild Brand, Steve Price, great
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Speaker 1: to see you. Well. The coalition is.
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Speaker 2: Panicked about the rise of One Nation, with Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: reportedly telling coalition MPs to stop criticizing Pauline and I'm
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Speaker 2: joined now by llenp MP Garth Hamilton Garth.
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Speaker 1: Welcome, Well is this true?
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Speaker 2: Have you all been told not to antagonize One Nation
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Speaker 2: voters by criticizing Pauline Hansen too harshly?
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Speaker 10: No, been very clear to listen to One Nation voters.
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Speaker 10: They're Australians. A lot of them have some really important
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Speaker 10: things we need to listen to that. I'd argue we
25:49
Speaker 10: probably haven't been listening to for a long time. They're
25:51
Speaker 10: raising issues that are important. They expect us to listen
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Speaker 10: to them. But there's a clear difference between listening to
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Speaker 10: those voters and having to align ourselves with a different
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Speaker 10: political model, and that's perfectly relevant.
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Speaker 2: Garth, Do you admit that you've been completely wrong on
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Speaker 2: one nation? I mean, just a month ago you posted
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Speaker 2: on x that one nation are losing turns on fifty
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Speaker 2: thousand voters a month you said that's why they want
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Speaker 2: to talk about a coalition, because they've peaked and want
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Speaker 2: to cash in before everyone realizes they are in decline.
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Speaker 1: But Garth, it's actually your lot that's in decline. Do
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Speaker 1: you admit you got it wrong.
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Speaker 6: At the time?
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Speaker 10: I was right, very clearly. The numbers were there, but.
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Speaker 2: They weren't right because you said they were in decline.
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Speaker 2: They weren't in decline.
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Speaker 10: Growth the numbering back up, and it probably will. We're
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Speaker 10: in a prolonged period where people are still angry and
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Speaker 10: they're still wanting us to listen to them. That's saying
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Speaker 10: we're going to have to have to push through. But yes,
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Speaker 10: quite clearly we've not been listening. We're paying the post
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Speaker 10: for that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in the series of tweets you said that
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Speaker 2: one nation had peaked in February. Well, it hasn't peaked
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Speaker 2: in February, not have even reached its peak. So is
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Speaker 2: the Coalition the party that's in decline.
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Speaker 10: I don't think we're in decline though, not at all.
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Speaker 10: I think we're in rebuild. I think we're going through
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Speaker 10: a serious time where we have to ask ourselves some
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Speaker 10: very important questions about what's important to us and what
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Speaker 10: does conservatism look like.
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Speaker 1: I think because your primary vote for the.
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Speaker 10: Mericle election, your primary ericle to win election, maybe that
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Speaker 10: was the time to look at these things.
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Speaker 2: Your primary vote is it an all time low of
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Speaker 2: eighteen percent? So that doesn't signal a party in rebulk rebuild?
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Speaker 1: Does it?
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Speaker 6: Very much?
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Speaker 10: I think it does absolutely. These are the dark days
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Speaker 10: where we either give up and give into this Penny
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Speaker 10: Penny Sky's falling attitude, or we redouble and we commit
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Speaker 10: ourselves as we have been over the last several months,
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Speaker 10: to pursuing the things that are important to us. If
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Speaker 10: we put family at the center of our policy, we
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Speaker 10: seek smaller government. We genuinely look for freedom of speech,
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Speaker 10: freedom of association, the things that people used to associate
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Speaker 10: with the loyal Party. We generally head to those things,
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Speaker 10: and we'll be heading home. We need to be, but
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Speaker 10: these are dark days. Giving up now, throwing in the towel,
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Speaker 10: I think that's the worst thing we could do.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty is hitting back at Pauline Hanson, accusing her
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Speaker 2: of putting Maga first after she supported Trump's war in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East. Do you agree with Andrew Hasty or
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson on this?
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Speaker 10: Well, Pauline's statement was interesting. It was that she was
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Speaker 10: defining success in that war on the reopening the straits
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Speaker 10: of Hormus, which were opened before the war. I am
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Speaker 10: critical of this war. I think a war can be
28:32
Speaker 10: both just and poorly planned. This is clearly a poorly
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Speaker 10: planned war with no clear exit strategy. I don't know
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Speaker 10: the benefit in the short term Tostraline economy. I know
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Speaker 10: the pain that we've felt, particularly in reasons like mine.
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Speaker 10: We did see a fuel shortages. Despite Chris Bowen's claims
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Speaker 10: to the opposite, we have seen those price rises and
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Speaker 10: I think that that's an important thing we should point out.
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Speaker 6: To an ally.
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Speaker 10: Being a good ally isn't just being a cheerleader. And
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Speaker 10: I think in a period that is an increase heightened
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Speaker 10: concern around the world. There's clearly a change in the
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Speaker 10: rules based order and how it was only ten to
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Speaker 10: twenty years ago.
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Speaker 6: The war she focused on this.
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Speaker 2: The war is back on tonight. Do you support America
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Speaker 2: and Israel's efforts to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 10: I think those are just things that should be done.
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Speaker 10: I think Iran is a horrible country. I spent far
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Speaker 10: too much time in the Middle East myself and saw
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Speaker 10: the impact of Iran's interventions and the conflicts that played
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Speaker 10: out as a result of that. As I say, something
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Speaker 10: can be both just and poorly planned.
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Speaker 2: And Iran has tonight, over the past twelve hours, launched
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Speaker 2: ballistic missile attacks on Israel. Do you think Israel was
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Speaker 2: right to respond?
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Speaker 10: I haven't got the view from Israel and the decision
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Speaker 10: making that it took to do that.
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Speaker 2: Those are the fact I would see. Iran launched ballistic
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Speaker 2: Iran launched twenty ballistic missiles on Israel overnight, families running
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Speaker 2: into bunkers. Do you think Israel should have responded to that?
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Speaker 10: Again, I'm not here to answer for Israel. I'm the
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Speaker 10: support of democracy. Israel's a democracy when we should be
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Speaker 10: proud to stand beside They're a good country. But what
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Speaker 10: is clear is this war is continuing on despite the
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Speaker 10: ceasefire being called for. I don't know quite some time now.
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Speaker 10: I think we'd all like to see it come to
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Speaker 10: an end. Israel has every right to defend itself and
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Speaker 10: the aggressions against Israel have been egregious. Everyone can see that,
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Speaker 10: all right.
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Speaker 1: Garth Hamilton, thank you very much for your time coming up.
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Speaker 2: Just as Trump says, ned and nah, who doesn't call
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Speaker 2: the shots? The war is back on and we'll cross
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Speaker 2: live to Israel with Elon Levy.
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Speaker 1: As the breaking news.
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Speaker 2: Comes in minute by minute plus, a political editor explains
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Speaker 2: why Pauline Hansen's rise is a movement and not a protest.
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Speaker 1: That's after the break.
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Speaker 2: We're witnessing the rise of a disruptive political force like
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Speaker 2: we've never before seen in Australia. A Nine newspapers chief
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Speaker 2: political correspondent Paul Sirkyle says, the rise of One Nation
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Speaker 2: is no longer a protest vote.
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Speaker 11: All of our assumptions on one nation todate have been wrong.
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Speaker 11: At every point We've said, where's the ceiling for one nation?
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Speaker 11: And they keep crashing through it. It may be the
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Speaker 11: case that we are misdiagnosing this as a protest, that
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Speaker 11: this is a permanent movement. Is a really interesting piece
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Speaker 11: by James Campbell in the News Corp Tabs today about
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Speaker 11: how the reception Pauline is getting out in the streets.
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Speaker 11: It's extraordinary. I saw at the pub in Canberra and
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Speaker 11: there are people stopping for selfies with her everywhere. Now
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Speaker 11: that might be a bubble, or it might be a movement,
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Speaker 11: not a protest, and.
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Speaker 2: Paul joins me. Now, Paul, welcome to the program again.
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Speaker 2: Do the latest polls, the South Australian election, the Parabay
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Speaker 2: election and the sort of response in the streets as
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Speaker 2: you just mentioned, does this show that one nation is
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Speaker 2: now a serious political force that the major parties have
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Speaker 2: to reckon with.
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Speaker 11: Well, As I said in that clip, I think it's
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Speaker 11: just worth saying Shari that at each time we've tried
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Speaker 11: to predict the ceiling, one nation's moved through it. So
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Speaker 11: our predictions have been wrong to date, and there's a
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Speaker 11: chance that any future ceiling we put on is crashed
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Speaker 11: through as well. It's easy to look at those past
32:19
Speaker 11: results and say the South Australian election, we knew Mallenosis
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Speaker 11: was going to win, so it was almost a cost
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Speaker 11: free vote to go to one nation. The phara by
32:27
Speaker 11: election was not going to change the federal government, so
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Speaker 11: another cost free vote. But when you're at thirty percent
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Speaker 11: of the primary vote, something techtonic is happening. And there
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Speaker 11: is a chance that this is the most significant political
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Speaker 11: realignment since the forties when the Liberal Party was established,
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Speaker 11: in the fifties, when the Labor Party split and allowed
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Speaker 11: for almost two decades of Robert Menzie's prime ministership. And
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Speaker 11: you know when a Liberal party is polling around the
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Speaker 11: high teens, as Angus Taylor is now, well, that's the
32:55
Speaker 11: whole coalition vote. Actually it's eighteen percent, which is exactly
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Speaker 11: where Susan Lee left it, which precipitated the change or
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Speaker 11: Die leadership spill. You'd expect that people would be asking
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Speaker 11: questions about as Taylor's leadership, but there isn't any of
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Speaker 11: that in the coalition ranks at the moment, because there
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Speaker 11: is this new realization and this level of despair that
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Speaker 11: what they're witnessing is something.
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Speaker 6: More profound than a question of leadership.
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Speaker 2: The coalition are in crisis over this. What can you
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Speaker 2: tell us about how they're responding.
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Speaker 11: I interviewed Aungus Taylor today and he made a fascinating
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Speaker 11: comment which will be on the front pages of our
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Speaker 11: papers tomorrow. He says that Labour's budget which was handed
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Speaker 11: down about three or four weeks ago, now, the broken
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Speaker 11: promise budget on negative gear and capital gains, TAKS discount,
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Speaker 11: has created more antipathy and more discontent towards the camera
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Speaker 11: political establishment, and for the first time that anyone can remember,
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Speaker 11: instead of that discontent flowing to the opposition, which Taylor
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Speaker 11: and others said would be the case, it's all flown
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Speaker 11: to one nation because at the moment they're seen as
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Speaker 11: the outside disruptor and you know, one nation people probably
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Speaker 11: on this program to your viewers, use this term Uni party.
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Speaker 11: They're all the same, labor and liberal, despite having totally
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Speaker 11: diversion policies on tax, cultural issues, defense, spending, various other issues.
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Speaker 11: At the moment, a lot of voters, particularly on the right,
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Speaker 11: people who view programs like this one see them.
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Speaker 6: As all the same.
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Speaker 11: And I mean the Garth Hamilton interview just then I
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Speaker 11: thought was interesting because at the moment one nation playing
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Speaker 11: by a totally different set of rules, they can pretty
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Speaker 11: much say whatever they want they're held to very little
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Speaker 11: scrutiny because they don't have to put forward a governing
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Speaker 11: manifesto yet because we're not near an election. That started
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Speaker 11: to change last week with the Barnaby Joyce interview on
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Speaker 11: Andrew Bolts program, Pauline Hanson's comments in a podcast with
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Speaker 11: my newspaper. So the wheel is starting to turn. But
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Speaker 11: coalition MPs have a much harder time when they come
34:54
Speaker 11: on all programs, not just yours, because they've got to
34:56
Speaker 11: put forward a coherent plan. So there is we still
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Speaker 11: have no idea where this one nation vote will go.
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Speaker 11: It could keep soaring, which will make it even more
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Speaker 11: of a severe problem for the Labor Party, but at
35:07
Speaker 11: this stay just cannibalizing the coalition and it seems baked in.
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Speaker 2: So at this point the Albanese government's not particularly worried
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Speaker 2: about the rise in one nation. It's still mostly pleased
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Speaker 2: that it's eviscerating the coalition.
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Speaker 11: I think that's broadly right because if the right wing
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Speaker 11: vote is split, the first party to be killed off
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Speaker 11: with the coalition parties, and Hanson's popularity is if you
35:35
Speaker 11: look at the vote share that's come off other parties,
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Speaker 11: it's almost all from the coalition. The Labor Party now
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Speaker 11: has lost maybe five percentage points of its primary vote,
35:44
Speaker 11: and I thought there was a really telling press conference
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Speaker 11: today in the Prime Minister's courtyard where Anthony Alberanezi spoke
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Speaker 11: about the rising populism. He said, effectively, it was a
35:54
Speaker 11: big plea to stick with his government, to maintain faith
35:59
Speaker 11: in the future of the country. He said, the economy
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Speaker 11: is still relatively sound compared to other countries.
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Speaker 6: We still are a stable democracy.
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Speaker 11: He said, don't be pessimistic, let's be patriotic, Let's unite,
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Speaker 11: not divide. And that was important for what he didn't say,
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Speaker 11: because for many weeks Anthony Alberanez he has ridiculed the coalition,
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Speaker 11: joked about the almost inevitable fall of its opposition leader.
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Speaker 11: He's taken joy in the rise of one nation because
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Speaker 11: it's killing his key opponents.
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Speaker 6: But today there was none of that.
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Speaker 11: It was a very somber faced prime minister making a
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Speaker 11: very serious point. He knows his government is in a
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Speaker 11: tricky position, not an unattenable position, still an election winning position,
36:46
Speaker 11: a decisively election winning position, but he knows there are
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Speaker 11: problems ahead and it was a very serious case he
36:52
Speaker 11: made today acknowledging that threat.
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Speaker 1: You spoke about it before.
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Speaker 2: How Angus Taylor or the Coalition's primary now under Angus
36:59
Speaker 2: Taylor at eighteen percent is the same as Susan Lee's
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Speaker 2: when she was rolled. And you know, you were making
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Speaker 2: the point that there's recognition that this is about the
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Speaker 2: rise of one nation. But it does show Paul that
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor hasn't been able to capitalize on Labour's unpopular budget.
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Speaker 6: It does for sure.
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Speaker 11: And his comments that I referenced today where he's blaming
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Speaker 11: the government's budget for one nation's rise, is in some
37:28
Speaker 11: ways a tacit admission that the coalition's economic offering is
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Speaker 11: unknown to voters. That when there is a rejection of
37:36
Speaker 11: a government policy, those voters are not looking to, you know,
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Speaker 11: what liberals believe is a serious governing offering on the
37:44
Speaker 11: policy side, they're just looking the disruptor. And so there's
37:48
Speaker 11: still a long time till the next election. The coalition
37:51
Speaker 11: has a lot of time to sell it's quite bold
37:53
Speaker 11: policy agenda on tax, which Angus Taylor described to me
37:57
Speaker 11: as quite revolutionary at any other time to use a
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Speaker 11: reply only a year into a term to announce such
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Speaker 11: major policy. But what this period has shown with one
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Speaker 11: the stickiness of the one nation vote is that it's
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Speaker 11: going to take a really long time to win back
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Speaker 11: the trust of voters who are flocked over to Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 6: It's not going to be easy at all.
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Speaker 2: If it can be done at all. All right, paul,
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Speaker 2: thank you can exactly, Thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Shary.
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Speaker 2: All right, still to come, we're going to look at
38:29
Speaker 2: the companies that are already moving offshore because of the budget.
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Speaker 2: But after the break, we're going to return to the
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Speaker 2: breaking news that the Iran war is back on tonight,
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Speaker 2: and Elon Levy will join us with the latest after
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Speaker 2: this quick break. Welcome back, and it's return to the
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Speaker 2: Middle East now where it does appear that the Iran
38:52
Speaker 2: war is back on. President Donald Trump has posted a
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Speaker 2: new statement to truth Social just in the last ten minutes.
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Speaker 2: He says, both so guides Israel and Iran are looking
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Speaker 2: to do an immediate cease fire. Final negotiations on peace
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Speaker 2: are proceeding, subject to ignorance or stupidity getting in the way,
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Speaker 2: So he said, things should now move quickly. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for your attention to this matter. His usual sign off
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Speaker 2: I'm joe now by farmer Israeli government spokesman Elon Levy,
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Speaker 2: Trump seems to be saying that the peace deal.
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Speaker 1: Will go ahead.
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Speaker 2: But you've had a difficult night of the war, returning
39:29
Speaker 2: under siege from Iran, and last night.
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Speaker 12: The Iranian regime fired about a dozen ballistic missiles at Israel.
39:37
Speaker 12: Israel struck back in in a response. Both the Iranian
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Speaker 12: regime and its proxy army in Yemen, the Huthis, have
39:44
Speaker 12: been firing ballistic missiles at Israel. This is not a
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Speaker 12: new normal that Israel can tolerate. We cannot have a
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Speaker 12: reality where every few months the Iranian regime fires missiles
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Speaker 12: at Israel and suddenly schools are closed foreig and airlines
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Speaker 12: cancel their flights, theaters, shop businesses are crippled. We can't
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Speaker 12: have a drip drip of rocket fire like Gaza, and
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Speaker 12: that means that we want this to end. But Israel
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Speaker 12: has to send a very clear message to Iran. You
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Speaker 12: cannot fire ballistic missiles at our cities with impunity. There
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Speaker 12: have to be consequences, because if there are no consequences,
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Speaker 12: Iran will do this again and again whenever it fancies
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Speaker 12: taking potshots at Israel, just like it bombed Kuwait International
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Speaker 12: Airport this week and has been firing at the rest
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Speaker 12: of the Middle East. So everyone in Israel here wants
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Speaker 12: to go back to normal, wants to go back to routine.
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Speaker 12: Tel Aviv definitely still hoping to hold its pride parade
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Speaker 12: on Friday, but everyone understands the Iranian regime cannot get
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Speaker 12: away with firing missiles at our cities without consequences.
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Speaker 2: President champ has made it very clear in interviews that
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Speaker 2: Israel isn't calling the shots.
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Speaker 1: He's the one calling the shots.
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Speaker 2: He's been telling Israel not to retaliate against Hezbollah, a
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Speaker 2: terror group, the same with Iran. But if Ran is
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Speaker 2: attacking Israel, it has an obligation.
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Speaker 1: It can't let that slide, can it.
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Speaker 12: I think President Trump respects that Israel as a sovereign
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Speaker 12: and independent country. It's an ally of the United States,
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Speaker 12: but it has to take care of the security of
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Speaker 12: its own people. That's why it's fighting against Hezbollah in Lebanon,
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Speaker 12: which has been firing drones and rockets at Israeli cities.
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Speaker 12: And by the way, the United States is not telling
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Speaker 12: Israel to leave Hezbola alone. A very powerful joint statement
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Speaker 12: with a Lebanon last week said there'll be a ceaslid,
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Speaker 12: but only if Hezbola stops shooting and pulls away from
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Speaker 12: the border. Otherwise, Obviously, no one expects Israel to let
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Speaker 12: its citizens be sitting ducks, but that's exactly the point.
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Speaker 12: Israel cannot let its citizens be sitting ducks to a fundamentalist,
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Speaker 12: theocratic regime that wants to fire missiles at our cities
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Speaker 12: whenever it fancies. I don't think any country in the
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Speaker 12: world would allow its citizens to be targeted with ballistic
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Speaker 12: missiles and then pretend nothing ever happened. And world leaders
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Speaker 12: who are calling for immediate de escalation need to be honest.
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Speaker 12: Would they do that if their own cities were being
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Speaker 12: targeted or are they just being hypocritical because they think
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Speaker 12: this will make the problem go away?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Look, with every minute we're getting a bit more information
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Speaker 2: about the sites that Israel targeted in retaliation in Iran.
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us about what's emerged so far
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Speaker 2: about the scioli Israel was targeting in Iran?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, we know that Israel has been targeting the surface
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Speaker 12: to surface launch sites, the facilities that allow Iran to
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Speaker 12: fire missiles at Israel and reportedly petrochemical infrastructure sites that
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Speaker 12: are not connected to Iran's energy sector, to send a
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Speaker 12: very clear message to the Iranian regime, you cannot fire
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Speaker 12: missiles at Israeli cities without consequences. We're not getting dragged
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Speaker 12: into rounds of conflict with you every six months.
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Speaker 6: This has to end.
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Speaker 2: The big question tonight for the world, for Israelis in particular,
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Speaker 2: but everyone is is this a return to war or
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Speaker 2: is this a brief escalation that precipitates a piece deal?
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Speaker 1: As Trump seems to be saying, what is your view?
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Speaker 12: President Trump wants a deal with Iran, but I think
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Speaker 12: we have to be honest that there is no deal
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Speaker 12: to be had. The Iranians are playing the Americans for soccers.
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Speaker 12: It has been one hundred days since the beginning of
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Speaker 12: Operation Epic Fury, and the Iranians are just dragging out
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Speaker 12: the negotiations. They have no willingness to give up their
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Speaker 12: enriched uranium. They have enough to build eleven nuclear bombs,
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Speaker 12: no interest in dismantling the illegal nuclear weapons facilities, including
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Speaker 12: a new one they are building deep under a mountain
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Speaker 12: beyond reach of America's B two bombers. They're trying to
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Speaker 12: buy time, and I think the United States has at
43:56
Speaker 12: some point to set a firm deadline to the Iranians,
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Speaker 12: but really mean it. This time, either you make a
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Speaker 12: deal that opens up the global economy that ends the
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Speaker 12: nuclear threat, or we're going back to conflict and this
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Speaker 12: time we're going to bring down the regime.
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Speaker 2: Could it also be the case that Iran has been
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Speaker 2: stringing the president along, promising a pasteal, delaying the inevitable,
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Speaker 2: delaying it.
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Speaker 1: While it re arms, while it regathers.
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Speaker 12: The Iranian regime is trying to play a game of chicken.
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Speaker 12: It's betting that the Americans are going to blink first
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Speaker 12: because this war is deeply unpopular and because of the
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Speaker 12: damage to the global economy. But every day the Iranian
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Speaker 12: regime is hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars because I
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Speaker 12: lost revenue because the Americans are blockading Iranian ships from
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Speaker 12: leading the Strait of Hormus. It's clear the Iranians are
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Speaker 12: trying to buy time. It's clear they think time is
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Speaker 12: on their side.
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Speaker 3: And you know.
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Speaker 12: Statements from world leaders that tell Israel to ignore me,
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Speaker 12: sile fire from Iran to pretend it isn't happening. Only
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Speaker 12: encourages the Iranians to think they have more time. And
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Speaker 12: if we want this conflict to end, if we want
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Speaker 12: a piece steal that ends the threat from Iran, the
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Speaker 12: Iranian regime has to feel that its back is against
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Speaker 12: the wall, not that its aggression will go without consequence.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and I'm sure you know, Elon, we have a
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Speaker 2: lot of those statements from Australian leaders, especially from our
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Speaker 2: Foreign Foreign Minister, Elon Levy. Great helpful, exactly, great, have
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Speaker 2: you on the show again, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: All right, still to come.
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Speaker 2: One of the nation's most important industries is feeling the
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Speaker 2: shock from Labour's tax changes. Some CEOs are looking to
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Speaker 2: go overseas. We'll get more after the break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Well.
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Speaker 2: Mining entrepreneur Warick Anderson has revealed he's no longer planning
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Speaker 2: to list his junior exploration company on the AX. Instead,
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Speaker 2: he said investors are spook and he's looking to Canada.
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Speaker 2: The Association of Mining and Exploration Companies is the lobby
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Speaker 2: group which supports firms like this, and their chief executive,
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Speaker 2: Warren Pierce, joins me. Now, Warren, you're fighting this tax hike.
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Speaker 2: This budget on behalf of more than five hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy members.
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Speaker 1: What are the main concerns.
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Speaker 8: Book? Our concerns very simple. The healthy is the change
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Speaker 8: to the capital gains tax discount and the removal of
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Speaker 8: it takes away a major driver incentive for people to
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Speaker 8: invest in speculative shares like middle expiation. For our members,
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Speaker 8: the reality is they put in their hard earned money
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Speaker 8: with no expectation, no immediate expectation of return, and indeed
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Speaker 8: we have to group together lots of retail investors, that's
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Speaker 8: mums and dads who have to come together as a
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Speaker 8: group to try and get the money together to begin
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Speaker 8: expiration programs. Their hope of return comes from capital gain.
46:51
Speaker 8: They will not see a dividend because these companies make
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Speaker 8: no money until such time as they make the ever
46:58
Speaker 8: present opportunity for a discovery. That discovery can skyrocket that
47:02
Speaker 8: share price. But most importantly, it stocks the pipeline of
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Speaker 8: projects for Australias mining future. Without we can't have mining
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Speaker 8: without discovery, and we can't have discovery that expiration. And
47:13
Speaker 8: if you can't find investors to invest in your middle
47:15
Speaker 8: expiration company, then the expiration effort in Australia stops.
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Speaker 2: So is this a common story like the one you're
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Speaker 2: hearing from the worry Conderson that these junior exploration companies
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Speaker 2: are looking to go overseas.
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Speaker 8: Regrettably it is, and they're responding to what they're hearing
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Speaker 8: from their investors. Indeed, in our own survey of our
47:36
Speaker 8: retail investors that tend to investor briefings to see presentations
47:40
Speaker 8: from our companies, seventy five percent have said to that
47:43
Speaker 8: the capital gains discount is extremely important to their decision
47:47
Speaker 8: to invest in middle expiration, and over fifty percent have
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Speaker 8: said they will likely change for investment decisions as a
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Speaker 8: consequence of it. That means Australia, with the largest securities
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Speaker 8: list of mining and middle exploration and companies in the world,
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Speaker 8: is suddenly putting a giant risk over our ability to
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Speaker 8: continue to grow investment out industry. If that's the case
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Speaker 8: and we can't pull investment here in Australia, then the
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Speaker 8: raalities companies have no choice but to look for investors overseas,
48:13
Speaker 8: and that means looking as far away as the Toronto
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Speaker 8: Stock Exchange, or perhaps more close to homelight, the Singapore
48:17
Speaker 8: Stock Exchange, where they might see themselves more able to
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Speaker 8: attract capital.
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Speaker 1: Out of as So why Canada? Why does Canada in
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Speaker 1: particular look more attractive.
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Speaker 8: The TSX has a quite similar system, much to the
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Speaker 8: Australian Stock Exchange. They have a quite similar framework in
48:35
Speaker 8: terms of the mining industry there in Canada as we
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Speaker 8: do here in Australia, and a well established industry and
48:40
Speaker 8: service industry that supports it. So in some cases it's
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Speaker 8: a natural spot and you'll see a lot of companies
48:45
Speaker 8: move between those lists over time. And indeed a very
48:48
Speaker 8: similar type of ecosystem exists in Canada's Australia, So in
48:51
Speaker 8: many cases the first place companies would think to look.
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Speaker 8: That said, there are of course other options as well.
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Speaker 2: Now, have you had any indication, Because what you're ultimately
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Speaker 2: campaigning for is a carve out for your industry, others
49:03
Speaker 2: are doing the same, like the tech sector and various others.
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Speaker 2: But have you had any indication that the mining exploration
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Speaker 2: industry would be exempt from the capital gains tax changes?
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Speaker 8: Look, no clear indication. We continue to make our advacy
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Speaker 8: to the treasure and Treasury, and indeed I think we've
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Speaker 8: got our foot in the door, but I think it's
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Speaker 8: too early to say whether the middle expiration industry will
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Speaker 8: see a carve out. What I would say is this,
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Speaker 8: if the tech industry is going to get a carve out,
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Speaker 8: it makes absolutely no sense for industries like middle expiration
49:32
Speaker 8: that operate in very much the same way raise revenue,
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Speaker 8: raise capital in the same way, and have to invest
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Speaker 8: huge amounts of their own money before any chance of
49:40
Speaker 8: actually making your return. You want to support that investment. Now,
49:44
Speaker 8: the tech sector makes up about four percent of the
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Speaker 8: AX and a very small proportion of the Australian economy.
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Speaker 8: The mining and middle expiration industry makes up more like
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Speaker 8: forty percent underpins the nation's economy. What you are putting
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Speaker 8: at risk by endangering risk capital going into middle expiration
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Speaker 8: simply too significant to ignore, and government must take on
50:03
Speaker 8: board industry's advice on this issue.
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Speaker 2: They're probably a similar risk profile as well, investing in
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Speaker 2: startups that you don't know whether they're going to succeed.
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Speaker 2: In investing in junior exploration companies, you don't know what
50:14
Speaker 2: they are going to find underground or not, so you know,
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Speaker 2: both very risky and look, your comments tonight show that
50:21
Speaker 2: this budget many are describing it as toxic. It is
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Speaker 2: already driving investment offshore.
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Speaker 1: So that is very much clear already.
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you very much, Warren Pierce, appreciate your
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Speaker 2: time tonight. All right, we're going to have it looks
50:36
Speaker 2: like a big news week, So I'll see.
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