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- 0:12G'day humans. So I am in West Africa. As you do, as you do with April, you know,
- 0:20every April, I'll have come to West Africa, so can up the sun. That's not true. West Africa's
- 0:25fight. Well, I mean, where do you even begin in describing this trip so far? I'm sitting
- 0:29in a hotel room in. It's the first time I've had a cold air conditioned room with Wi-Fi.
- 0:36So now I have the opportunity to share some of my first observations with you. We've
- 0:42been here almost a week. And this is a part of Africa that is not, this is not South Africa.
- 0:48You know, this is not the Africa that has an infrastructure for tourism and has things
- 0:53for you to see. This is the Africa that's just going about its own damn business and
- 0:57doesn't give a shit whether you come or not at this point in time yet. It's, I haven't
- 1:04seen a single McDonald's or 7-11 or something, which might sound obvious, but if you've
- 1:08traveled much through the developing world in places like Thailand and, you know, India,
- 1:15and you're familiar with a sort of developing world country that kind of rhymes a bit with
- 1:23what we're familiar with. And I imagine not having been the places that other other countries
- 1:29in Africa, which are more like that, which are more amenable to openness towards the
- 1:34outside world, kind of understand what travelers want and need, know how to do an Airbnb, have
- 1:41some level of credit card provisions, have various air-conditioned convenience stores with
- 1:48the sorts of things that middle-class people like. Not that here. None of that here. And
- 1:54it's fantastic. It is absolutely incredible. It's one of the first times in my life since
- 2:00I guess I was backpacking around Southeast Asia in my late teens and early 20s, which
- 2:07is, let's face it, going back two decades now, that I've had the experience of being
- 2:11in places. And back then, even back then, you had to really stretch. I mean, we had to
- 2:16go into the mostest parts of Laos to find villages that were essentially completely untouched
- 2:24by tourism and have unfortunately now been ruined. You're welcome. You're welcome for
- 2:28being the tip of that spear. Now they're full of, you know, they're full of bed and breakfasts,
- 2:34full of Israelis smoking weed and drinking a lot of beer and party. Nothing wrong with
- 2:38that. Just not exactly the vibe that I was looking for on this trip. The vibe I was looking
- 2:43for on this trip. How did this come about? Everyone's saying, by the way, I'm not going
- 2:47on the television show. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. This is not what this is.
- 2:52I've received a number of messages as has my husband when people have seen like an
- 2:58Instagram story of me and some random African airport. They're like, oh, congratulations,
- 3:02Josh. I didn't know you were on I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Because obviously, there's
- 3:07no other reason why one could be interested in understanding or appreciating the massive
- 3:12variety of African cultures, except to go on a reality television show. So thank you
- 3:18for that, that nod of faith in my own credibility and adventurousness. So no, I'm not on I'm a celebrity
- 3:24get me out of here. I'm actually doing this voluntarily. Why? You say, Josh, you say there
- 3:31are so many places you can go in this world. You could be sitting at my time at an infinity
- 3:36pool in Bali. When you're doing a backpacking around the dusty streets of some African
- 3:42hellhole. I'll say on behalf of my West African friends don't call the hellhole to begin
- 3:48with. They don't appreciate that. I learned that the very first day. No, I didn't. That
- 3:54would be rude. The reason is that during the pandemic, cast your mind back to the long
- 4:00days of the lockdown, especially if you're in Australia in Sydney during the 100 plus
- 4:07day lockdown in 2021 or in Melbourne during the 7 billion day lockdown that Dan Andrews
- 4:14imposed for about 25 years. My thoughts and prayers with you. Then during those dark days,
- 4:23I was chatting with an old buddy of mine who lives abroad, lives in Europe. We were
- 4:29saying holy mother of God, when this thing's over, I just want to go somewhere totally
- 4:34random, completely off the beaten track. Just go backpacking like we used to when we were
- 4:40in our teens and early 20s. We used to go around Indonesia and India on various misbegotten
- 4:47trips with no particular plan, just to soak up the differentness of it all. When there's
- 4:56no more lockdowns and when there's no more threat of viral infection, life threatening
- 5:03viral infection, because there are lots of viral infections that one can get here, which
- 5:07I've had as my toilet will attest to, although it could be bacterial, I'm sure. Anywho,
- 5:13then there's no longer a threat of this particular respiratory viral infection doing us any
- 5:17harm. Let's go to a place and just lick everything dirty. There's just inhale other people's
- 5:24breath, maybe patch a lot of people, give them a big old tongue kiss, random strangers
- 5:30in the street, lick telephone poles, lick the ground. Just ingest as many dirty germs as
- 5:37we can, in the glorious knowledge that it's probably not going to kill us. We thought about
- 5:44places we could go Colombia was considered for a while. Going back to India was considered
- 5:48for a while. That's so big. It's the whole universe in itself. You could do 100 trips
- 5:52to India and never see the same type of thing. Except for Indians, you'd probably see
- 5:57if you were them. Be a weird part of India, wouldn't it? If there were no Indians there,
- 6:02you go, what's this corner of India? They go, wow, this is the corner of India where
- 6:05there are only Texans. I didn't know there was a state in India where there's only Texans.
- 6:10They're saying, oh, yeah, we've been here since 1862, not in India and inside. With the
- 6:15exception of that fictional Indian state that I've just invented, there aren't many places
- 6:21in India where you can go where there aren't Indians. Let's go somewhere where there are
- 6:24lots of not Indians that are the types of people. For example, say Africans because we haven't
- 6:30done a lot of Africa, not real Africa. I mean, not to be racist, but is North Africa
- 6:37real Africa? If someone says, I've just been to Africa and you go, really, where? And
- 6:42they go Egypt. Don't you feel a little bit calm? Well, that, well, I mean, I suppose.
- 6:49Oh, I went to Morocco. Well, yeah, all right. Technically, technically, you went to Africa.
- 6:57You didn't go to the real Africa. Well, I'm in the real fucking Africa, another
- 7:00fuckers. This is the real thing. This is the real deal. So what's it, what's it like? The,
- 7:07it's much more colorful in terms of people's dress and much friendlier and much more relaxed
- 7:17than I'd thought outside of the cities. And oh, I should mention where West Africa is.
- 7:24So West, what I mean by West Africa is if you picture the continent, you know, how it's
- 7:28got the big jutty out bit on the top Western half, like it's kind of got a big boob on the
- 7:34West before it goes down towards the bottom. That strip of bottom of the boob that goes
- 7:41jutting out East West, that has a run of countries, Nigeria, Benin, Togo into Ghana,
- 7:51and then Ivory Coast and around that. And those have quite a beautiful coastline, much
- 7:57of that stretch, which is actually facing south, if you think of it. So it's not running
- 8:01East West. So West Africa is that little, that little sort of stretch onto the boob. So
- 8:07with the exception of the big cities, which are, oh, I don't have huge experience in many
- 8:13of them, but I've been to two so far. Dirty, incredibly dirty, incredibly industrial,
- 8:20incredibly smoggy. Some of them have huge trucks, spewing diesel fumes all over you, open
- 8:27fetted sewer, all over the streets, just what you would imagine a developing world.
- 8:36Hellhole, should we use the word Hellhole again, to look like. But that's sort of the rarity
- 8:42because a lot of the population lives in towns. And so hopping along the coast from village
- 8:52to village along what is really an idyllic blast of bright blue ocean, bright yellow sand,
- 9:03some trees, fatched huts, and zero tourists, and zero tourist infrastructure, is kind of mind-boggling.
- 9:14And the site at sunset, as you walk through the dusty streets of a town, seeing little kids
- 9:22in their beautiful, bright uniforms walking along the streets, some who look like they're
- 9:27as young as three or four literally. I don't know where they go, but they'll just be walking
- 9:31home by themselves. It's one of those, like, I got to pinch myself and go, where am I?
- 9:40And they have this sort of friendly reserve because I mean, imagine what me and my buddy
- 9:47look like as we're walking down these streets. I mean, I kind of imagine what the locals
- 9:52think we're doing here. Why are they here? Why are they in our little town? What do they
- 9:59want to see? What's here? But I guess we sort of do look like superstars. I mean, we do,
- 10:06don't we? I mean, I'm an adonus. Let's face it, of striking beauty. And we certainly look
- 10:14at a place. So when one local kid, for example, has the gumption to break the wall between us,
- 10:24and I'm always extremely gregarious anyway. So I'm always saying Bonjour to everybody,
- 10:28oh, these are French speaking countries where I'm not just saying Bonjour to be pretentious.
- 10:33That's the way they say hello here. And I'm fluent in French, so it makes things easier
- 10:38to break the ice. When a child starts responding to that in a way that's positive,
- 10:45then all of a sudden they kind of unleash this dam or this dyke and you have like a flowing river
- 10:54of goodwill and other kids come running up. They want to pull out their phones and take photos
- 10:59with you. And yeah, we quite a few of them have smartphones. They may not even have electricity.
- 11:04They don't have sewage. There are little kids shitting in the streets and they have smartphones.
- 11:10And you know, they'll come up and they'll, and yesterday we spent about 15, 20 minutes before
- 11:15we had to drag ourselves away because word got around that we were doing selfies with some of the
- 11:19kids in a local village that we were passing through. And they all come running up. Some of them in
- 11:23colorful school uniforms, some of them wearing that kind of, I don't know, African third world
- 11:30combination of a cheap rip-off like soccer polo shirt with an Emirates or Qatar Airways logo
- 11:38emblazoned across the front and Adidas pants and like flip flops with socks on.
- 11:45You know, so those are the gangsters and they come up with a certain swagger. And when you take
- 11:50the selfie with them, they give the self, they flip the bird to the to the to the camera,
- 11:56like as if they're better than you. But the moment you start actually engaging with them and
- 11:59teasing them a little bit and pushing back, they melt and open up and actually a kind of star
- 12:04struck somehow that they're, is that they're with someone from who, who hails from afar and looks
- 12:10like people in movies to. So yeah, I guess it's as exotic for a lot of the people we're meeting
- 12:17as it is for us. Other initial observations, it's hard to get to, it's hard to get to West Africa,
- 12:27it's from Australia at least. From Europe, my friend was coming from Europe and he was like,
- 12:32well, it's not that hard, you can get a flight. You know, there's a fair, there's a reasonable
- 12:35amount of lift. You can certainly go through Ethiopia, Ethiopia, Ethiopian Airlines has,
- 12:40has quite a lot of large footprint globally. Not, I mean, Africa's massive. So even to get from
- 12:48Ethiopia, Ethiopia Airlines hub in Addis across to the West is like a six hour flight, just a
- 12:54pop from one side across to the other. Nonetheless, that's the way it's often done. So my,
- 12:59my friend was googling about one of the flights from Milan to Addis. And the flight number is
- 13:07flight 737 from Milan to Addis. Now, if you want to test it, you can get out your old smartphone
- 13:15there and you can enter into Google, Ethiopia Airlines 737. Are you a good student of history?
- 13:23Are you a good student of aviation disasters? 737 in addition to being the flight number of,
- 13:29one of these Ethiopia Airlines flights also happens to be the model of aircraft that crashed in one
- 13:35of the most horrendous and horrific air disasters in recent times, which was the 737 max crash when
- 13:41Boeing created this Turkey of the plane that, that drive it, drove itself into the ground and
- 13:47plowed it to the ground, annihilating everybody on board and vaporizing them a few years ago.
- 13:52Now, when that happens, it's common courtesy that the airline changes the name of the flight.
- 13:58That was a flight from Addis to Nairobi and it was flight 302 and they've changed the flight
- 14:07number that that flight number no longer exists because they don't want people, you know,
- 14:10looking at flight and go, oh, I'm on flight 302. Holy shit, that's the one that crashed. So they
- 14:14just changed the number of the flight. What they neglected to do was change the flight number 737.
- 14:22So that was heartening just to be reminded of that, especially as I was flying in a 737 max on
- 14:29Ethiopian Airlines from Addis Ababa to Kodonu, the capital of Benin. And that was fun. I mean,
- 14:36even just transiting, you know, Addis Ababa, this huge Ethiopian airport was interesting.
- 14:44As you're barreling down the road, and I've got to say Ethiopian Airlines is a great airline if
- 14:47you had the opportunity to fly them. They're fine. They're not, it's not, they're not Air India or
- 14:52some horrendous, you know, developing world shithole, shithole airline. They are, so you're barreling
- 15:01down the runway in Addis and just as you're about to reach takeoff speed on the side of the runway
- 15:08lying on the grass is the burnt out fuselage of a crashed passenger liner. It's just sitting
- 15:14there like like to remind you, I guess, of what's possible at this most risky moment in your flight.
- 15:23It's a nice touch. Are they using it as like a memorial or a museum or something?
- 15:29Personally, I'd move it, I'd move it a few hundred meters away, so it's not right there as you're
- 15:35taking off. The boarding process was great. He says with a slight ironic
- 15:44rye smirk, you get the gate number and I came down reasonably late from the lounge and it's
- 15:53like half, about half an hour before the flight's supposed to leave, so boarding should be winding
- 15:57up at that moment. It's always impossible. There are certain airlines especially in the developing
- 16:01world who have ridiculous boarding times where they claim that the flight boards 90 minutes before
- 16:06departure and closes 60 minutes before departure, so all the idiots who believe that chop really early
- 16:11and then have to sit by the gate. It's just a way of hurting passengers and having them ready
- 16:16and making them not cut it too fine. I, being a seasoned traveler, completely ignore all such
- 16:21requests and just walk down when I know that I know the gate's not going to close until 10 minutes
- 16:25before the flight is due to leave, so I go down half an hour before it is madness. It's mayhem.
- 16:33It's not just a single gate. What there is is a departure hall that you come down into on an
- 16:37escalator which contains about eight gates in a long stretch with big windows on the side which
- 16:45lead us to buses and the buses will take you out to the plane and there's a gate area which you
- 16:52can enter which is just before the door to go out to the buses and outside of that gate area,
- 16:59there's an area to wait, the waiting area. The waiting area is so jam-packed with human beings,
- 17:04you can't even shuffle through it. It's just a solid block of African bodies.
- 17:10So I spot a, what looks like a nun or something. A little, she looks like she's got gumption.
- 17:17You know, you can sometimes tell. You can sometimes just tell that a human being knows their shit.
- 17:22And I was like, I reckon that nun knows what she's doing. So I get in her wake. You know,
- 17:27I'm like a race car just going into the slipstream of another race car. Then I just hide behind this
- 17:33little four foot ten African nun as she's powering, she is powering, man. They're a huge black man
- 17:41who just part. She is moses with the river. And I'm in her wake. I'm one of the disciples
- 17:50just crossing across. And we get to the, we get to my gate. And there's nobody, there's nobody
- 17:57in the actual gate area.