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Who Discovered Michael Jackson? · The Infographics Show Podcast

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  Speaker 1: If you're anything like me, you know you absolutely love
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  Speaker 1: a good origin story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh who doesn't is human nature, right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But you're also probably really tired of the sanitized
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood versions of history, the ones that are just too perfect.
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  Speaker 2: The fairy tales exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, welcome back to Beyond Infographics, because if
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  Speaker 1: you ask the average person on the street who discovered
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  Speaker 1: the Jackson Five, they will almost certainly give you the
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  Speaker 1: exact same answer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say it.
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  Speaker 1: They will confidently tell you it was Diana.
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  Speaker 2: Ross, right, Diana Ross.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean it's a beautiful story, right. You picture
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  Speaker 1: the reigning Queen of Motown at the absolute height of
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  Speaker 1: her glamour, and she walks into the smoky, crowded room
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  Speaker 1: in Gary, Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a voice from the heavens.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, here's the voice, and suddenly, boom, a star is born.
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  Speaker 1: It's clean, it's linear, and from my personal insight into
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  Speaker 1: this whole timeline, it is a complete fabrication, underpset marketing
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  Speaker 1: myth totally. So our mission today on Beyond Infographics is
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  Speaker 1: uncovering the true, multi layered story of how the Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Five went from this tiny, crowded living room in a
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  Speaker 1: Midwestern steel town to just absolute global superstardom.
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  Speaker 2: And it is not a fairy too, No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just a story about music either. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's really about the industrialization of genius, right.
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  Speaker 2: That phrase industrialization. That's exactly what we need to focus
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  Speaker 2: on today. Yeah, because when you really strip away all
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  Speaker 2: the pr in the marketing, you don't find a single
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  Speaker 2: moment of discovery, Like there wasn't a magic wand no
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  Speaker 2: magic wand would you find is this multi year, multi
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  Speaker 2: layered pipeline. I mean, we're gonna break down the five
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  Speaker 2: distinct stages of validation today because it required this very
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  Speaker 2: specific sequence of environments gatekeepers to take that raw potential
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  Speaker 2: and actually engineer it into well, the greatest entertainer of
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  Speaker 2: the twentieth century.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And before we really get into those five stages,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to casually remind everyone listening, if you
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  Speaker 1: these incredible stories directly to you.
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  Speaker 2: It makes a huge difference, it does, so like.
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  Speaker 1: To jump right into it. Let's start the very beginning
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  Speaker 1: of that pipeline, which means we have to go to
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  Speaker 1: twenty three hundred Jackson Street in Gary, Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: The Familial Forge.
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  Speaker 1: The Familial Forge. And I want to throw away the
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood lens immediately here, you know, because we are not
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  Speaker 1: looking at some nurturing environment where this delicate flower of
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  Speaker 1: talent was like gently watered and.
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  Speaker 2: Coaxed out, not even close.
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  Speaker 1: We are looking at a forge. And the architect of
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  Speaker 1: that forge was Joe Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And to really understand the genesis of the group,
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  Speaker 2: you have to look at my personal insights into the
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  Speaker 2: specific ecosystem of Gear, Indiana back in the nineteen sixties
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  Speaker 2: and where Joe Jackson fit into him. Garry was a
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  Speaker 2: steel town, a brutal steel town. Joe was a crane operator,
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  Speaker 2: a US steel and you know, he had previously tried
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  Speaker 2: to make it as a musician himself. He played guitar
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  Speaker 2: with an R and B band called the Falcons. It
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  Speaker 2: just went nowhere, exactly, It completely fizzled out. So he
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  Speaker 2: was trapped in this grueling, incredibly dangerous blue collar job
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  Speaker 2: just to support a massive family. I mean they were
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  Speaker 2: living in a tiny two bedroom house.
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  Speaker 1: A two bedroom house for all those kids. It's just unimaginable.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So when he eventually recognized that his sons had
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  Speaker 2: musical rhythm, he didn't view it as like a cute
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  Speaker 2: after school hobby.
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  Speaker 1: Oh No.
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  Speaker 2: He viewed it as a literal survival mechanism. It was
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  Speaker 2: an escape patch from the steel mill. So he originally
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  Speaker 2: formed this group called the Jackson Brothers, which then evolved
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  Speaker 2: into a group called the Jackson five plus Johnny.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I just have to clarify this fascinating detail.
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  Speaker 1: I found Johnny Jackson was the original drummer, and despite
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  Speaker 1: that name, the Jackson five plus Johnny, he was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: no relation to the.
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  Speaker 2: Family, just a total coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: They just happened to share our last name. But the
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  Speaker 1: most striking thing to me is that the greatest pop
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  Speaker 1: star in human history wasn't even in the original lineup.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't Michael was. Well, he was basically a benchwarmer
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  Speaker 2: in his own.
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  Speaker 1: House because he was just too young, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was too young, And the story of how
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  Speaker 2: he actually got included is so incredibly mundane, which makes
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  Speaker 2: it all more striking. His mother, Katherine Jackson, she was
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  Speaker 2: simply going about our chores. One day and she overheard
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  Speaker 2: young Michael singing while he was making his bed, just
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  Speaker 2: making his bed, just doing his chores, and she was
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  Speaker 2: so arrested by the tone and the pitch of his
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  Speaker 2: voice that she immediately went to Joe and basically urged
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  Speaker 2: him to give Michael a shot in the group.
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  Speaker 1: But the moment Michael is in the dynamic of that
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  Speaker 1: house shifts into something that is just it's genuinely terrifying. Oh, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: because the accounts describe these rehearsals that sound way more
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  Speaker 1: like a military bootcamp mixed with like a sweatshop. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a family sing along.
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  Speaker 2: No, Joe would sit in a chair during their living
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  Speaker 2: room practices and he was literally holding a leather belt.
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  Speaker 1: A belt or sometimes a guitar.
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  Speaker 2: Struck, right, and if you missed a step, or you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you dropped a harmony, you're struck.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it was absolute, unyielding tyranny. And we know
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  Speaker 1: from corroborating accounts like from Johnny Jackson and relatives from
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  Speaker 1: Catherine's side the family, they detail severe continuous physical abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really dark, and it actually went beyond physical violence.
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  Speaker 2: There are allegations from Catherine's family regarding sexual abuse inflicted
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  Speaker 2: by Joe on.
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  Speaker 1: His daughters, which is just horrific.
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  Speaker 2: It is the atmosphere in that house was dictated entirely
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  Speaker 2: by fear. Michael even recounted later that he was so
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  Speaker 2: terrified of his father that he would physically throw up
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  Speaker 2: when Joe entered a room.
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  Speaker 1: Throw up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he described this dark aura that would precede Joe
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  Speaker 2: and it caused his stomach to just instantly cramp.
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  Speaker 1: I have to stop here, though, and just push back
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  Speaker 1: on something because we hear these stories of you know,
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  Speaker 1: tough love stage parents in showbiz lore all the time,
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  Speaker 1: classic stage mom or dad, right, and history tends to
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  Speaker 1: sanitize it. The narrative often becomes, well, you know it
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  Speaker 1: was harsh, but hey, it produced greatness.
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  Speaker 2: The ends justify the means exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But looking at these details, I really struggle with how
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  Speaker 1: this was allowed to happen. How does a community or
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  Speaker 1: even the other adults in the family just watch this
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  Speaker 1: go on. I mean, at what point does discipline become
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  Speaker 1: destruction even if it produces a masterpiece.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the dark reality of familial validation. You really
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  Speaker 2: have to look at the context. This is a working
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  Speaker 2: class insular community in a nineteen sixty steel town, Right,
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  Speaker 2: domestic autonomy was paramount. What happened in a man's house
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  Speaker 2: was considered his business. Nobody interfered, and Joe Jackson basically
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  Speaker 2: applied the brutal, unfeeling mechanics of the US steel mill
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  Speaker 2: directly to his living room. Yeah, he wasn't raising children,
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  Speaker 2: he was manufacturing a product to get them out of poverty.
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  Speaker 2: But you're entirely right to highlight the destruction of the
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  Speaker 2: psyche because that is the crucial mechanism for understanding Michael's
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  Speaker 2: entire adult life.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because you cannot separate the unparalleled genius we saw
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  Speaker 1: on stage from the trauma that built it. They're just
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  Speaker 1: inextricably linked completely.
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  Speaker 2: Because when a child's entire formative experience, their safety, their worth,
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  Speaker 2: their physical well being is tied to this terrifying demand
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  Speaker 2: for absolute perfection, well perfection just becomes a survival reflex.
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  Speaker 1: It's not ambition anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, Michael's legendary work effic wasn't just ambition. It was
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  Speaker 2: a deeply ingrained trauma response. It completely explains his desperate,
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  Speaker 2: lifelong search to reclaim a childhood he never actually.
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  Speaker 1: Had, because he never got to be a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So the forge worked, it produced a diamond, but
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  Speaker 2: the pressure required to make it irreparably fractured the person inside.
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  Speaker 1: It's so tragic when you frame it that way, and
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  Speaker 1: to really drive home what was happening in that house,
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  Speaker 1: I just want you to picture the physical space.
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  Speaker 2: It was tiny, right, This is.
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  Speaker 1: A tiny two bedroom home, and you have amplifiers, microphones,
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  Speaker 1: and drum kIPS taking up almost the entire living room.
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  Speaker 1: The family is literally pushed to the edges of the room,
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  Speaker 1: stepping over these thick black cables just to navigate their
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  Speaker 1: own house.
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  Speaker 2: A complete hazard.
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  Speaker 1: And in the center of all this chaos is this
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  Speaker 1: tiny elementary school aged Michael opening his mouth and producing
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  Speaker 1: a sound that just completely defied logic. I mean, observers
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  Speaker 1: at the time noted that he didn't sound like a
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  Speaker 1: kid singing well. One person explicitly described him as having
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  Speaker 1: a fully developed voice hitting on all.
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  Speaker 2: Notes, which is a complete anomaly. I mean, mechanically speaking,
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  Speaker 2: a young singer's vocal cords just haven't developed the thickness
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  Speaker 2: or the breath control to sustain adult phrasing.
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  Speaker 1: Right, kids sound like kids exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But Michael possessed the soulful maturity, the timing, and the
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  Speaker 2: emotional resonance of a season forty year old blues singer.
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  Speaker 2: It was a fully realized instrument right at the gate.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, a living room, no matter how intense
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  Speaker 1: the rehearsals are, it doesn't press vinyl.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just walk out of your house and into
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  Speaker 1: a record store once the product was forged. It needed
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  Speaker 1: a local buyer. You need capital, You need a mechanism
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  Speaker 1: to capture that sound and distribute.
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  Speaker 2: It, which takes us out of the house exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It takes us into the streets of Gary, Indiana. And
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  Speaker 1: that brings us to the second stage, professional validation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and this introduces the next necessary cog in this machine,
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  Speaker 2: a man named Gordon Keith. Yeah, he also operated under
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  Speaker 2: the name William Henry Adams Junior. And he is the
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  Speaker 2: bridge between the living room and the actual music industry.
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  Speaker 1: And Gordon Keith is such a fascinating character to me
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  Speaker 1: because he wasn't some wealthy executive sitting in a high
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  Speaker 1: rise in New York or La nott All. He was
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  Speaker 1: a local vocalist in Gary who was just fundamentally exhausted
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  Speaker 1: by the local music scene. He was so tired of
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  Speaker 1: unprofessional singers showing up late, getting drunk, and just lacking discipline.
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  Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty he car founded Steeltown Records with
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  Speaker 1: four of his friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Steeltown.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't structured like a traditional label at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. It was structured as an umbrella label. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and this is a really crucial business mechanism to understand here. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the five partners didn't pull their money to sign acts together. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: Steeltown provided the legal framework and the branding, but each
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  Speaker 2: partner operated as their own independent silo.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. Interesting, So they were basically on their own exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They had to scout, fund, manage, and record their own
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  Speaker 2: discoveries using their own money.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: They kept the responsibilities, but they also kept the profits
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  Speaker 2: for their specific acts.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It was a highly localized, high risk venture.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild, and the way Keith actually finds the
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  Speaker 1: Jackson's perfectly illustrates his mindset because he didn't stumble into
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  Speaker 1: a club and have some sort of musical epiphany.
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  Speaker 2: No, he saw the signs literally.
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  Speaker 1: He found them through sheer, repetitive marketing. He kept driving
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  Speaker 1: around Gary and seeing these hand painted gig plat girds
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  Speaker 1: advertising the Jackson five plus Johnny, and they were stapled
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  Speaker 1: to telephone polls tape the storefronts. He just saw them
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  Speaker 1: constantly everywhere, and to Keith, the frequency of those signs
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  Speaker 1: signaled one very specific thing, a relentless work.
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  Speaker 2: Ethic, and that is the key. Keith valued discipline over
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  Speaker 2: raw talent, primarily because of his own frustrating experiences with
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  Speaker 2: local musicians. So he tracks down their number through a
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  Speaker 2: local music teacher, Shirley Carton Rick right, Shirley Cartman. She
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  Speaker 2: taught both the Jackson's and another local act called the
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  Speaker 2: Shiryle Brothers. So Keith calls Joe Jackson and Joe invites
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  Speaker 2: him over to twenty three hundred Jackson Street for an audition,
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  Speaker 2: and this leads to what has to be one of
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  Speaker 2: the most cinematic moments in music history.
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  Speaker 1: It is incredible. Just picture this. Keith walks into this
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  Speaker 1: cramped house. The furniture is all shoved against the walls.
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  Speaker 1: Janet Jackson is literally a baby being held in someone's
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  Speaker 1: arms in the corner right, and there is this thick,
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  Speaker 1: heavy amplifier cord stretched tight across the floor and it's
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  Speaker 1: sitting about chest high nine year old Michael Yeah, chess High,
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  Speaker 1: and according to Keith's own recollection, Michael is standing completely
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  Speaker 1: flat footed, no running, start, nothing, The music hits and
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  Speaker 1: Michael just leaps straight up into the air, effortlessly clears
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  Speaker 1: the cord and lands perfectly on the beat.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Keith said, his job basically at the floor.
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  Speaker 2: I think so he realized instantly he was looking at
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  Speaker 2: someone who possessed a genuinely superhuman level of kinetic awareness.
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  Speaker 2: And then they started singing. They launch into covers of
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  Speaker 2: James Brown's Cold Sweat and Jackie Wilson's Dogging.
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  Speaker 1: Around, And we are not just talking about mimicking the
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  Speaker 1: vocals here. Keith realizes this nine year old is executing
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  Speaker 1: polyrhythmic dance moves that are out shining James.
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  Speaker 2: Brook, right outshining the masters.
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  Speaker 1: He is doing the slides, the spins, the splits with
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  Speaker 1: just absolute precision. So Keith doesn't hesitate. In nineteen sixty seven,
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  Speaker 1: he signs them to a six month management and recording contract.
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  Speaker 1: He takes them to Sunny Sawyer's studio up in Chicago
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  Speaker 1: and they record their very first single, a track called
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  Speaker 1: Big Boy, which was written by a local musician named
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  Speaker 1: Eddie Silvers.
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  Speaker 2: But here is where we have to look at the
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  Speaker 2: structural blockades of the nineteen sixties music industry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this part is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You have this undeniable, explosive talent and Keith has them
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  Speaker 2: on tape. You would think the doors of Chicago's music
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  Speaker 2: scene would just swing wide open for them. Of course, instead,
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  Speaker 2: every major player in Chicago slammed the door in his face.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to touch them.
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  Speaker 1: This is the part that genuinely broke my brain when
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  Speaker 1: I was looking into this. You have lightning in a bottle,
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  Speaker 1: You have Michael Jackson on tape. How does an entire
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  Speaker 1: city of industry professionals hear that? In pass?
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  Speaker 2: Because the industry doesn't just run on talent, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it runs on liability management liability right, powerful disc jockeys
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  Speaker 2: like e Rodney Jones and Purvis Span. These guys basically
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  Speaker 2: controlled the legendary WVO and radio station, which is the
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  Speaker 2: absolute powerhouse of Chicago soul huge station. They told Keith
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  Speaker 2: they had already spent forty thousand dollars of their own
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  Speaker 2: money trying to get the jack Exen's a major record
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  Speaker 2: deal and they failed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, why was the music, just not translating to the executives.
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  Speaker 2: It had absolutely nothing to do with the music. It
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  Speaker 2: was entirely about the logistics of child labor. Really, managing
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  Speaker 2: a child act in the nineteen sixties was an absolute
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  Speaker 2: nightmare for a record label. You had to navigate these
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  Speaker 2: stringent minor labor laws which dictated very strict limits on
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  Speaker 2: how many consecutive hours they could be in a studio
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  Speaker 2: or on a stage.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you can't just work them fourteen hours a day
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  Speaker 1: like an adult band, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: You had to hire state mandated on set tutors, You
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  Speaker 2: had to manage trust accounts for their earnings. And furthermore,
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  Speaker 2: when they toured, you weren't just paying for the band
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  Speaker 2: to travel. You had to pay for chaperones, guardians, and
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  Speaker 2: a massive entourage just to ensure their safety.
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  Speaker 1: That adds up so fast.
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  Speaker 2: The liability insurance alone was staggering. So from a purely
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  Speaker 2: corporate standpoint, child acts were seen as a terrible return
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  Speaker 2: on investment compared to say, an adult vocal group.
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  Speaker 1: That fundamentally changes how you view the business. Always think
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  Speaker 1: of music as this pure art form, but it's really
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  Speaker 1: about risk assessment at the end of the day. Always
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't just the DJs passing on them. My
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  Speaker 1: insights brought up this bizarre legal loophole regarding a label
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  Speaker 1: called Wonderful Records.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, the Leaner brothers who owned Wonderful Records in
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  Speaker 2: Chicago actually had the boys under contract first.
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  Speaker 1: Wait before Gordon Keith.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we later found out they had secretly recorded the
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  Speaker 2: Jacksons months before Gordon Keith did. But they looked at
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  Speaker 2: the logistical nightmare of breaking a child act, calculated the cost,
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  Speaker 2: and decided to just shelve the recordings.
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  Speaker 1: It just gave up.
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  Speaker 2: They literally signed a release document handing the boys over
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  Speaker 2: to Gordon Keith because they deemed them legally and financially unviable.
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  Speaker 1: It is the ultimate historical blind spot. I mean, Gordon
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  Speaker 1: keys is basically the angel investor in a tech.
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  Speaker 2: Start up here. It's a perfect analogy.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't invent the tech, but he provided the crucial
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  Speaker 1: seed funding and the first actual proof of concept when
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  Speaker 1: all the major venture capitalists in Chicago were just passing
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  Speaker 1: on them. He took on the liability when the major
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  Speaker 1: institutions refused.
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  Speaker 2: And that seed funding paid off. But in a highly
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  Speaker 2: specific way, Keith hustled relentlessly. He took Big Boy and
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  Speaker 2: pushed it to local radio, specifically WWCA and Gary, and
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  Speaker 2: the Jackson's finally heard their own voices broadcast over the airwaves.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been incredible for them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. But Keith didn't stop at
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  Speaker 2: the city limits. The recording quality was strong enough and
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  Speaker 2: the local buzz was loud enough that it caught the
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  Speaker 2: attention of Jerry Wexler.
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  Speaker 1: The legendary executive at Atlantic Records.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Wexler got Atco, which was a subsidiary of Atlantic,
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  Speaker 2: to distribute Big Boy nationally.
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  Speaker 1: That is a staggering achievement for a tiny, independent umbrella
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  Speaker 1: label operating out of Gary, Indiana. I mean, they bypassed
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  Speaker 1: the Chicago blockade entirely and got national distribution. Huge one,
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  Speaker 1: But as anyone in business knows, seed funding only gets
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you so far. A localized hit with national distribution is
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: really just a proof of concept. It proves the product works,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't give you the infrastructure to scale globally.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: To go global, you need to penetrate the absolute fortress
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: of the mainstream industry, and that brings us to the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: third stage. The industry gatekeepers.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Right. You can have a polished product and a regional hit,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: but if you want to become a global phenomenon in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the late nineteen sixties, you need an insider. You need
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: someone who is already residing inside the castle walls to
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: lower the drawbridge.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: For you and for R and B and soul music.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: At that time that castle was Detroit, it was Motown, Hitsville, USA,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And the person who actually lowered the drawbridge was Bobby Taylor,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the front man of Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: With some significant early lobbying from Gladys Knight.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: We should add, yes, Gladys Knight was crucial, but the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: records put Bobby Taylor and the Jackson's on the same
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: bill at the Regal Theater in Chicago in nineteen sixty eight.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Now, the Regal Theater was basically the Apollo of the Midwest.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: It was the ultimate proving ground. So Taylor stands in
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the wings and watches this local family band perform and
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: what is He later stated that he was completely mesmerized.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: He watched a young Michael Jackson executing James Brown's choreography
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: with absolute fidelity while simultaneously delivering these flawless, pitch perfect vocals.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: It just blew his mind completely. And Taylor didn't just
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: like write a letter of recommendation. He took profound physical action.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He packed the Jackson's up and personally drove them to Detroit.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: He even moved the boys into his own apartment while
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: he worked to secure them in an audition at Motown.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have to take a really quick entertaining detour
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: here because when I was looking into Bobby Taylor's band, Vancouver's,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: it reveals how wonderfully weird and interconnected the nineteen sixties
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: music ecosystem really was.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: It's a great piece of trivia.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. The guitarist for the Vancouvers, who actually co
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: wrote their controversial hit song Does Your Mama Know About Me,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: was a Chinese Canadian musician named Tommy Chong yep as
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: in the Tommy Chong, who would later completely defined nineteen
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: seventies counterculture with Cheech and Chong.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: It just highlights that the sixties music scene and hitsbel specifically,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: was this massive collision of diverse, strange, interconnected talent.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It was a wildly eclectic environment, for sure, but at
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: the very top of that environment, sat Barry Gordy the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: king of the castle, right, and when Bobby Taylor brings
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: the Jacksons to the absolute epicenter of soul music, Gordy's
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: initial reaction is a flat, stubborn refusal. He won't even
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: entertain the idea of signing them.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, This is where I really struggle with the narrative
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of Barry Gordy, as this infallible visionary Why is that? Well,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: why turn them down? He built an entire empire on
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: spotting talent. Passing on Michael Jackson seems like an absolutely
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: inexcusable failure of vision. It's like passing on the iPhone
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: because your first generation pager was a hassle to manufacture.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I get that, yeah, but you have to view it
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: through the lens of Gordy's specific business model at the time. Okay,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Motown was modeled directly after the Detroit automotive assembly lines.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Raw talent comes in the front door, it gets written for,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: it gets choreographed, it gets styled, and a finished, reliable
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: product rolls out the back door. The Motown machine exactly
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Gordy wanted predictability, and he already had Stevie Wonder on
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the roster. Managing Stevie as a minor was an operational
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: nightmare for the label Oh.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Right because of the exact same labor laws that scared
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: off the executives in Chicago.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Precisely, the restricted working hours, the constant state mandated supervision
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the tutors. The inability to put them on grueling adult touring.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Schedule jams up the assembly line.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It does. Gordy was focused on building a roster of
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: slick adult professionals, you know, the temptations of Marvin Day.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: He explicitly stated he did not want another kid act
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: gumming up his machine, which.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Really highlights the immense risk Bobby Taylor took huge risk.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: If Gordy is the ultimate bottleneck, Taylor is essentially risking
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: his own political capital at Motown to force Gordy's hand.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: If the Jackson's fail, Taylor loses all his credibility.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: But Taylor is relentless. He practically lives with the boys,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He rehearses them, and he essentially refuses to let Gordy
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: ignore them.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And it shows why you need a team willing to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: push back on the visionary. Even the greatest visionaries have
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: blind spots. But you know, history often does a terrible
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: job of remembering these crucial middlemen.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, Motown definitely tried to erase him.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Right In the decades that followed, the corporate Motown machine
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: actively minimized Bobby Taylor's role in the Discovery narrative. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: if you look at the accounts of the people who
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: actually lived it, the truth is clear. Marlon and Jermaine
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Jackson always fiercely credited Taylor.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jermaine stated publicly that Bobby Taylor was the sole
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: reason they got their foot in the door.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And Taylor didn't just introduce them, No.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: He actually produced their very first recording sessions at Hitsville
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: before the corporate machine fully took over.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: It's just incredible. And hey, listener, if you're finding these
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hidden connections as fascinating as we are, please take a
• 21:57
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• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really helps us untangle these massive historical webs for you.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So Bobby Taylor kicks the door open. Gordy eventually relents.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He watches the audition tape and he realizes he cannot
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: ignore the sheer magnitude of Michael's talent.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: He has to sign them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: He signs them. They have survived the living room forge,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: They've done the regional hustle, and they have bypassed the gatekeepers.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: They have the raw material, and they have a major
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: label contract.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: But raw steel isn't a car exactly.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It needs to be shaped. Raw talent isn't a salable product.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yet they needed the motown polish, which brings us to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the fourth stage, the institutional engine.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Right. This is where the raw material is refined into
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: a commercial juggernaut. And to understand this stage, you have
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to look at Susanna Pass.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Susanna Pass is arguably the most fascinating architect in this
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: entire story.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: She really is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: At the time, she was Barry Gordy's creative assistant, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: she meets the boys at the Lafayette House in.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Detroit, right, which was a specific motown maintained just a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: house out of town.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Talent and DePass is basically the embodiment of what we
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: call institutional validation.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, when she heard the brothers singing a capella in
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Bobby Taylor's apartment, she possessed the exact vision Barry Gordy
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: initially lacked.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: She saw the big picture.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: She saw the crossover potential. She became the loudest, most
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: aggressive voice lobbying Gordy, telling him they had to sign
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: these kids immediately. And Gordy, to his credit, makes a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: brilliant executive decision once he is actually convinced.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: What did he do?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: He hands Suzanda Paz's absolute dictatorial control over everything non
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: musical regarding the Jackson Five.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And when you say everything, I mean my understanding is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: she essentially became the CEO of their existence.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It really did.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: She managed their wardrobe, she enrolled them in school and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: monitored their grades. She found their doctors and dentists. She
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: even wrote the banter they would speak between songs on.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Stage, every single detail, and the.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Most amazing part, she even choreographed the entire routine for
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: their breakthrough hit I Want You Back. I read that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: she was physically moving furniture out of the way in
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: her own living room to teach them the steps.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the scope of her work was so comprehensive
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and so revolutionary that it transcended the music industry.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Really, how so years.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Later, Suzanda Pass's management of the Jackson Five actually became
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the subject of two distinct case studies at the Harvard
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Business School.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Wow, wait, what were the Business School specifically studying?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: They were studying her masterclass in cross functional Integration and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: brand Management.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Basically, she took a localized, unpolished family band and applied
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: intense corporate grooming to engineer a demographic juggernaut. She understood
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: vertical integration. She controlled the visual aesthetic, the public relations narrative,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the interpersonal dynamics, and the physical presentation to create a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: completely unified, frictionless consumer product.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate political campaign. Pass was the ultimate
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: campaign manager. She didn't write the speeches, you know, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: songwriters at Motown are providing the music, but she dictated
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the lighting, the cut of the suit, the angle of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the smile, and the spin. But looking at this deeply
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: corporate process, I have to ask at this stage, was
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson actually driving the bus or was he just
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the most shiny, beautiful hood ornament on Motown's massive machine.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Well, that is the core tension of the institutional engine.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: And the answer is that he was a terrifyingly active participant.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Really, he wasn't just doing what he was told.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: No, Michael was not a passive piece of clay being
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: molded to pass. Explicitly noted that during this era, Michael
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was a human sponge spun. He possessed this obsessive analytical mind.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: He wasn't just following orders. He was actively studying in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the architecture of fame. He spent hours watching archival footage
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: of old Hollywood stars.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: All right, I've heard this. He was studying Fred Astaire
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and Gene Kelly exactly.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: He was breaking down a stairs isolations, his center of gravity,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: how he commanded the frame of a camera. And he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: studied Elizabeth Taylor and Katherine Hepburn to understand how they
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: manipulated the press and held the attention of a room.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: So he's learning the mechanics, right. He wasn't just learning
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: how to sing at Motown. He was using Suzanda Pass
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and the corporate structure to learn the precise mechanical levers
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of global celebrity.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But the reality of creating that massive illusion of glamour
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was surprisingly unglamorous behind the scenes, wasn't it?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Oh? Very much so?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Because while de Pass is generating this massive creative explosion,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: she is constantly fighting the strict frugal reality of corporate motown.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, the budgets were tight.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: My insights highlighted this lawyer named Ralph Seltzer, who was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: notoriously tightfisted. He monitored the budget with terrifying scrutiny. He
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: was the type of corporate enforcer who would aggressively question
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a requisition form for a single piano for the arranging department.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So the Pass is essentially trying to build a global
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: phenomenon on a highly restricted, heavily audited budget, and.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: That lack of massive infrastructure led to a deeply overwhelming
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: psychological reality for the group.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Because it happened so fast it did.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: We look back now and we assume they had the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: modern security apparatus of like a Taylor Swift or Beyonce.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But the rise of the Jackson five was sudden and violent.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: They dropped four consecutive number one records in.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Less than a year, which is insane. I want you
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: back ABC the love you say and.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I'll be there right four in a row. It triggered
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: a level of hysteria not seen since Beatlemania, but it
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: was directed at children, and.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: DePass talked about the sheer terror of navigating that they
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: didn't have massive teams of bodyguards or you know, laminated
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: all access passes. They were essentially doing it themselves, physically
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: pushing through mobs of screaming fans, trying to protect these
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: kids with their own.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Bodies, which naturally led to moments of sheer improvisation that
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: just well, they became iconic history.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Oh this leads to my favorite anecdote in this entire
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: deep uh, this entire analysis, were doing the purple hat.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Ed Sullivan Show.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Right, if you look at footage of Michael Jackson performing
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: on The Ed Sullivan Show, he is wearing this incredibly striking,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: oversized purple hat, and pop culture historians will analyze that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: hat as this brilliant avant garde styling choice designed to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: visually isolate him from his brothers and establish his individual iconography, when.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: The reality is that the airline just lost their luggage.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Exactly. It's so funny. They had no clothes for national
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: television to pass and her cousin literally had to sprint
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: through the streets of Greenwich Village hours before tape rolled
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: frantically buying whatever clothes they could find off the rack.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Just total bannick, total panic.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: They saw a purple hat sitting on a shelf, grabbed
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it out of desperation, threw it on Michael's head, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: accidentally created a piece of permanent pop culture iconography.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. But you know, while the public was obsessed
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: with the icon the internal structure of the family was
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: quietly collapsing under the weight of that same institutional validation.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: The fame was tearing them apart.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Depas observed that the explosive popularity rapidly destroyed the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: egalitarian nature of the group. In Gary, they were a unit.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: You know, everyone cared about what Tito was playing on
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: guitar or what harmonies Jackie and Marlon were hitting. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: the moment they hit the mainstream, the media apparatus and
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the screaming fans made a brutal, instantaneous calculation. They only
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: wanted Michael.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And secondarily they wanted Germaine because he was the teenage
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: hearthrob right.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But the hyper focus on Michael relegated the older brothers
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: to mere background scenery. It drove a deep, painful psychological
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: wedge into the family dynamic. The institution elevated Michael, but
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it permanently fractured his relationship with his brothers. It created
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: resentments that would fester for decades.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So let's take stock of the pipeline here. Okay, they
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: survived the brutal traumatic forge of Joe Jackson's living room.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: They secure the professional validation and seed funding from Gordon
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Keith's Steeltown Records. They bypassed the Chicago blockades and get
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: industry validation through Bobby Taylor forcing Barry Gordy's hand. And
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: then they are completely rebuilt, styled, and polished by the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: institutional engine of Suzanda Pass.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of steps, it is.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: They have the transcendent talent, they have the major label deal,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: they have the visual aesthetic, and they have the chart
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: topping hits. Mechanically speaking, the product is flawless, So what
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: else could they possibly need?
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Well, they needed a mythology a story, right, They needed
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a narrative that bypassed logic and went straight to the
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: emotional core of the consumer, which brings us to the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: fifth and final stage of the pipeline, the commercial myth.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: The absolute peak of nineteen sixties marketing, Hubris Motown gathers
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the press and makes this bold declarative statement to the world.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: They announced that Diana Ross the supreme Queen of Motown,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the most glamorous star on their roster personally ventured into
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the gritty steel town of Gary, Indiana and discovered the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Jackson Five.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Such a great story, and.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: They double down on this fabricator by officially titling the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: grip's debut album Diana Ross Presents the Jackson Five.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And this is the ultimate execution of commercial validation. If
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you analyze this from a strictly public relations and brand
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: equity standpoint, it is pure genius. Why because the absolute
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: truth the story of a local vocalist named Gordon Keith,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a bunch of reluctant Chicago DJs, and Bobby Taylor risking
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: his job. It was messy, it lacked cinematic sweep, But
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: deliberately tying these unknown, working class kids directly to Diana
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Ross achieved something profound.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It's a literal transfer of brand equity.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Precisely, it bypassed the need for the public to vet them.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: By putting Diana Ross's name on the album, Motown instantly
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: lent the Jackson Five royalty status, immense glamour, and an
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: assailable credibility.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Because if Diana Ross's they are stars, the consumer just
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: accepts it as.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Absolute fact exactly.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: You know, we see endless debates online today about modern
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: pop stars. People argue constantly about whether an artist is
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: an organic, grassroots discovery or an industry.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Plant all the time.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But looking at this, Motown literally wrote the textbook on
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the industry plant. The crucial distinction here is that they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: didn't plant the talent. Michael's genius was undeniable and organic
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to that living room in Gary, but they absolutely ruthlessly
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: planted the narrative.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Because Motown understood the fundamental rule of corporate storytelling. Consumers
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: don't just buy a melody, they buy into a cinematic universe.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: A superstar passing the torch to a child prodigy is
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: a narrative arc that guarantees instant emotional investment from the public.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It is a highly effective strategy that labels still replicate today,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: oh constantly, whenever a new artist's messy origin story is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: quietly scrubbed from the Internet, or they are suddenly inexplicably
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: paired with a massive established celebrity mentor just weeks before
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: their debut single drops, Yeah You're watching the Diana Ross
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Presents playbook in action.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And the irony of the aftermath is just staggering to me,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: because as the years went on, the truth obviously began
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: to leak out. Of course, even the Jacksons and Diana
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Ross herself felt ridiculous maintaining the lie, so they quietly
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: pivoted the phrasing and interviews to say she simply introduced
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: them to the public on television.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It's a slate backtrack, right, But.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, a bitter war was raging over the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: actual truth. You had Gordon Keith, who actually spent his
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: money to press their first record. You had the mayor
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: of Gary, Richard Hatcher, who claimed he helped them. You
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: had Joe Jackson, who literally beat the talent into them.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Everyone wanted a piece.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: They were all aggressively fighting over who deserved the historical credit.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: And what does motown do? Motown simply ignores all of them,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: steps over the infighting and slaps Diana Ross's beautiful face
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: on the international press release.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: And it worked flawlessly, lawlessly. The myth completely superseded the reality.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But you know, breaking down this pipeline forces us to
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: reflect on the sheer, terrifying fragility of history. What do
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you mean, well, the machine that created the Jackson five
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: required every single one of these distinct stages to function perfectly.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: If Joe Jackson had been a slightly kinder man and
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: not force those brutal rehearsals.
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  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have had the discipline right.
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  Speaker 2: If Gordon Keith had prioritized a polished sound over raw discipline,
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  Speaker 2: he would have passed. If Bobby Taylor had backed down
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  Speaker 2: when Barry Gordy said no, If Susanna pass hadn't possessed
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  Speaker 2: the vision to completely rebuild their visual identity, and if
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  Speaker 2: Motown hadn't fabricated the perfect glamorous fairy tale to sell
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  Speaker 2: them to the masses, take away even one of those gears,
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  Speaker 2: and the entire industrialization of this genius just grinds to
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  Speaker 2: a halt.
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  Speaker 1: It really is a profound realization. The discovery of Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jackson was never a magical moment. It was a brutal, exhausting,
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  Speaker 1: multi year industrial process. It involves systemic abuse, visionary local hustlers,
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  Speaker 1: persistent industry scouts, brilliant corporate managers, and a completely fabricated
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  Speaker 1: marketing myth.
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  Speaker 2: Which leaves us with a deeply unsettling question to consumer think.
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  Speaker 2: If the absolute greatest, most undone deniable entertainer of the
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  Speaker 2: twentieth century required a five stage industrial pipeline, immense logistical luck,
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  Speaker 2: and a completely fabricated origin story just to reach our ears.
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  Speaker 2: How many equivalent geniuses are out there right now, lost
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  Speaker 2: entirely to history simply because they missed just one step
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  Speaker 2: on that industrial ladder.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that is a haunting thought, because we find comfort
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  Speaker 1: in the idea that pure talent always rises to the top, right,
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  Speaker 1: that it inevitably breaks through the noise that doesn't always
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  Speaker 1: know the historical reality of making a star is deeply complex,
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  Speaker 1: highly engineered, and incredibly fragile. It takes an entire ruthless
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  Speaker 1: machine to make the music play.
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  Speaker 2: It absolutely does well.
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