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Surf School Owner Dad Tells Feds He Slaughtered His 2 Children After ‘QAnon’ Enlightened Him · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: How does a professional surfer, Wooden Steak, and so called
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  Speaker 1: serpent DNA fit into the story of two missing children.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. On Saturday, Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Coleman and his family get ready to go camping. Coleman,
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  Speaker 1: the founder of Love Water Surfing School, his wife, and
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  Speaker 1: their two children, a two year old son and ten
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  Speaker 1: month old daughter. But Matthew Coleman takes off in the
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  Speaker 1: family's Mercedes Sprinter event with the children, but without his wife.
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  Speaker 1: Missus Coleman says over the next twenty four hours, her
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  Speaker 1: husband would not answer texts, so she uses to find
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  Speaker 1: my phone funk and on her laptop to discover Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Coleman is in Rosa, Rita, Mexico. It's a beach town
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  Speaker 1: about sixteen miles south of the border city of Tijuana. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so much. I got so much information from that. And
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  Speaker 1: when you are preparing for trial, which is how I
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  Speaker 1: look at practically everything since law school, every single fact matters,
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  Speaker 1: and I was hearing so much. Dad is a professional surfer.
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  Speaker 1: He runs a surf school, Love Water Surf School, obviously
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  Speaker 1: is very athletic, a real outdoors person. I learned he's
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  Speaker 1: got a wife, he's got these two little children, one
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  Speaker 1: two years old, one ten months old. I learned they've
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  Speaker 1: got a Mercedes Sprinter, which really strikes a chord with me,
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  Speaker 1: because we're big into the r V and camping. We
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  Speaker 1: are every summer. We camp every summer, and my husband's
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  Speaker 1: dream vehicle is a Mercedes Sprinter. They're really expensive. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have one, so we stick to renting a big
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  Speaker 1: old hank In RV every time we go anywhere. But
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  Speaker 1: the sprinters are set up for four people, and it
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  Speaker 1: looks like a van on the outside, but it's really
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  Speaker 1: nice and it turns into a sleeper. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: thinking this through. Where did he get the money for
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  Speaker 1: a Mercedes Sprinter? And I'm also thinking about the unlikely
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  Speaker 1: scenario that the twin my children would be in the
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  Speaker 1: car with my husband and I'm not in there, and
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  Speaker 1: then he takes off with the children and I can't
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  Speaker 1: find him, and I have to use find my iPhone
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  Speaker 1: app or the Life three sixty app to try to
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  Speaker 1: find him. I'm getting all that from just that one
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  Speaker 1: bye that we got from our friends at crime online.
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  Speaker 1: Let me introduce to you and all Star panel. Just
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  Speaker 1: wait for it. You're gonna hear about the Wooden Steak,
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  Speaker 1: you are going to hear about missing children, and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hear about so called serpent DNA. But let's
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  Speaker 1: don't put the cart before the horse. With me California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: author of Red Flags on Amazon, hosted Today with doctor
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  Speaker 1: Wendy on KCBQ San Diego. Wendy Patrick joining us Karen Starke,
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  Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologists and you can find her at
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark dot com. That's Karen with a See Death
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  Speaker 1: Investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Starves
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  Speaker 1: several hit series, including the Piketon Massacre. Returned to Pike
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  Speaker 1: County on iHeartRadio. But first I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: senior reporter with San Diego Union Tribune, Wendy Frye, and
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  Speaker 1: you can find her on Twitter at Wendy fry Underscore Wendy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute. You know my sister and her family
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  Speaker 1: live out in California, and that's how I became acquainted
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  Speaker 1: with a surfing scene because her children, a boy and
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  Speaker 1: a girl, would get up in the morning and go surfing.
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  Speaker 1: They go surfing before they go to school in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: If you took the twins out on the pier and
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  Speaker 1: you'll look out. I think we were at Santa Cruz
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  Speaker 1: and we were looking out and you can see little
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  Speaker 1: black dots all out in the water. And the twins said,
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  Speaker 1: what's that? And I said, those are surfers. There were
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  Speaker 1: like forty of them out there waiting for the perfect wave.
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  Speaker 1: This is eight o'clock in the morning, and they're black wetsuits.
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  Speaker 1: And we went up to the surf school. It's a
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  Speaker 1: huge industry, it's very expensive, and it's a whole way
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  Speaker 1: of life. Would you agree with that, Wendy Fry? Absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: It absolutely is a way of life, a lifestyle. And
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  Speaker 1: if you look at mister Coleman's you know, social media
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  Speaker 1: accounts and his Instagram, he is totally devoted to this lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: He loves the ocean. All his posts are about um
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  Speaker 1: you know, underwater posts or waves and he runs its
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  Speaker 1: Love Water Surf Company, which they're very expensive surfering peoples
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  Speaker 1: to send your kids to UM in Santa Barbara uh
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  Speaker 1: and also white, white, white white. Wendy, Wendy. Yeah, okay, Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: I know you're used to a formal Q and A,
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  Speaker 1: but this is kind of imagine all of us sitting
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  Speaker 1: around a table having a big plate of spaghetti. That's
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  Speaker 1: just what comes to mind right now, and none of
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  Speaker 1: us agree on anything, so we're all interrupting and fighting. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's like to prop for t Now did
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  Speaker 1: you say, Santa Barbara, is that where that where all
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  Speaker 1: the rich people live? Like? Is that where is that
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  Speaker 1: where Harry and Megan live? And? Uh do I have
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  Speaker 1: that bassa? Yeah? Is that where people? Aia? Absolutely? Okay, beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: it's beautiful for the sunshine. Yeah, you really did, you
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  Speaker 1: really do. But when we say this whole surf school
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  Speaker 1: and the surfing lifestyle, I mean the surfing a live.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle. You've got to really be devoted to it.
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  Speaker 1: And you also said his school is super expensive. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very expensive. Yes, kids to surfing school. Absolutely. Was his
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  Speaker 1: wife part of the whole surfing scene or just him
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  Speaker 1: It looked like he was. He was mainly the surfer
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  Speaker 1: in the family. Um, But you know, it's it's this
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle that that's you know, natural, being in nature, being outside,
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  Speaker 1: a love for fish, a love for oceanum and she
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  Speaker 1: definitely seems to have shared in that with him. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've got another issue going through my mind right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Karen Stark, you've been with me since before
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  Speaker 1: I was pregnant with the twins and they are thirteen now.
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  Speaker 1: It would you know, it would be a cold day
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  Speaker 1: in h double Oyle that my husband, David Lynch would
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  Speaker 1: drive off with my twins, my children and I not
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  Speaker 1: know where they're going and have to try to find
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  Speaker 1: him on an app with the children. What kind of
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  Speaker 1: thinking is that she looks on there and finds out
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  Speaker 1: he crossed the border. He's near to Jajuanna with the
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  Speaker 1: children and without her. And that's that's what makes me
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  Speaker 1: think that's something else must have been going on, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starr, you know, you know I think a great
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  Speaker 1: deal of you. But telling me something else is going on,
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  Speaker 1: I know that, I know that. I mean, Karen Star,
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  Speaker 1: you remind me of Henry Lee and O. J. Simpson
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  Speaker 1: where he said something is wrong. Well, I know that
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  Speaker 1: the two dead bodies with the heads chopped off in
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  Speaker 1: the driveway, but I need you to give me more
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  Speaker 1: in depth. What is that when a person a husband
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  Speaker 1: or wife, totally disregards the feelings of the spouse and
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  Speaker 1: takes off with their the crown, the jewel in their crown,
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  Speaker 1: their children, the relationship between the husband and wife is
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  Speaker 1: not okay. I'm convinced about that, Nancy, because you, as
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  Speaker 1: you said, David would never do that now. But this
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  Speaker 1: man just takes off impulsively or of not. We don't know,
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  Speaker 1: and the wife doesn't know where he is. How many
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  Speaker 1: times has that happened before. We don't really know, but
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  Speaker 1: there is something wrong in the family where the communication
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  Speaker 1: has definitely you know you're right, Karen, because there is
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  Speaker 1: no way that I would do that to Damon, even
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  Speaker 1: if I was irritated or angry with him, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: do that. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I want to
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  Speaker 1: follow through with where we are right now. We've got
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  Speaker 1: the wife standing there, the husband takes off with the
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  Speaker 1: children ps not using a car seat. One is two years,
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  Speaker 1: one is just a few months old, ten months old.
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  Speaker 1: But why take a listen to this? Using surveillance images,
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  Speaker 1: authorities in Mexico determined that on Saturday evening, at around eight,
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  Speaker 1: Coleman had checked into a City Express hotel in Rosarito
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  Speaker 1: with his two children early Monday morning, shortly before three am.
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  Speaker 1: Coleman can be seen in those surveillance images leaving the
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  Speaker 1: hotel with his kids, but then returns about three and
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  Speaker 1: a half hours later by himself. Santa Barbara police confirmed
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  Speaker 1: that Coleman's wife had reported her husband and her two
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  Speaker 1: young children missing, saying she was concerned for their well being. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: right there, let me go straight back out to Wendy Fry,
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  Speaker 1: senior reporter, San Diego Union Tribune. You can find her
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  Speaker 1: at Wendy Underscore Fray. Wendy, let me understand this. Where
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  Speaker 1: are they at this point this hotel that he the
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  Speaker 1: City Express Hotel and Rosarito with his two children. Where
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  Speaker 1: is that in relationship to where he left a wife?
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  Speaker 1: So it's about a thirty minute drive south of the border.
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  Speaker 1: They're on the northern end of Rosario, sort of closer
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  Speaker 1: to the main town of Rosarizo. And it's just a
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  Speaker 1: very cheap motel that you can check into forty bucks
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  Speaker 1: maybe at any time. And obviously the police were able
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  Speaker 1: to later go back and pull the video of him
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  Speaker 1: doing that and seeing the kids there, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: him as he's trying to check in. So you say,
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  Speaker 1: it's thirty minutes south of the border. How far is
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  Speaker 1: that away from their home and the surf school all
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  Speaker 1: that in Santa Barbara. Several hours it'd be. It would
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  Speaker 1: be definitely several hours, what three or so or four
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  Speaker 1: hour drive and you drive along a scenic route along
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  Speaker 1: the beach. And what's interesting about that is there's toll roads,
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  Speaker 1: checkpoints every ten twenty miles or so, and that you
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  Speaker 1: have to stop and pay pacos for and there's cameras there,
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  Speaker 1: so they would probably be able to go back and
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  Speaker 1: pull you know, all the video surveillance of him. To
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, host of Today with Doctor Wendy CASEYBQ, Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: three hours drive, you know what I call that premeditation.
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  Speaker 1: He has time to think about the fact that he's
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped the children from the mom. He has time on
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  Speaker 1: this long route and waiting in the Mexican border stop
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  Speaker 1: to think about the fact that he's not answering his
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  Speaker 1: wife's phone calls, he hasn't told her where he is,
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  Speaker 1: and he is now in possession of the two children
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  Speaker 1: with complete disregard for his wife. Yeah, Nanthew, that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: That's very important. This isn't just taking the kids up
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  Speaker 1: or ice cream somewhere and being gone a couple hours
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  Speaker 1: or necessarily forgetting to tell the wife, Hey, I'm taking
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  Speaker 1: the kids to the park. This does mack of premeditation,
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  Speaker 1: and it also the length of time it takes. And
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  Speaker 1: now that I hear from my colleague and friend Wendy Fry,
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  Speaker 1: there are polar roads, and there are other impediments and
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  Speaker 1: obstacles and challenges actually getting to the destination that even
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  Speaker 1: expounds this labor that's involved in going from point A
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  Speaker 1: to point B, all without the White's knowledge and apparently
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  Speaker 1: causing her some serious concern which may tell us that
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  Speaker 1: this is not normal behavior for this man either. So
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  Speaker 1: right now there is an APB all points bulletin for
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  Speaker 1: these two little children, Kaleo age three and Roxy just
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  Speaker 1: ten months old. The mom, Abby Coleman, wringing her hands,
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  Speaker 1: trying to find her husband and her children, and then
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  Speaker 1: the worst outcome apparents' nightmare. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: cut one. This is Karen Cruz is joining us from
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  Speaker 1: KKFX Fox eleven two. Something about a children were found
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  Speaker 1: dead with stab wounds and California, Mehico. I saw some
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  Speaker 1: bloodstains and I looked a little further. My dog was
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  Speaker 1: the one that located the two tiny bodies. I did
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  Speaker 1: not know the gender of the bodies, and I did
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  Speaker 1: not want to look any closer and left, so I
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  Speaker 1: called nine one one. According to Baja California State Attorney
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  Speaker 1: General's Office, a ranch employee found bloodstains and the body
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  Speaker 1: of two children, ages one and three, with stab wounds.
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  Speaker 1: A wooden steak stained with blood was also found. I
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  Speaker 1: want to go straight out to Jo Scott Morgan, professor
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  Speaker 1: of forensics at Jacksonville State University. You and I have
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  Speaker 1: dealt with a lot of cases that are on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the border. I've investigated them, I have
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  Speaker 1: worked them, I've reported on them, I've written about them.
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  Speaker 1: When you get tangled up with the Mexican police, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know when or if you're going to get an answer.
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  Speaker 1: You have no idea what's going on. This mother, Abby
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  Speaker 1: Coleman has already lived through trying to deal with Mexican
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  Speaker 1: authorities trying to find her children, and now this, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, do I even have to say al
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  Speaker 1: Chapo who managed to build what a mile or so
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  Speaker 1: long tunnel underneath the gailhouse and literally drive a motorcycle
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  Speaker 1: through it, and the Mexican authorities had no idea what
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  Speaker 1: was going on, And now she is trying to find
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  Speaker 1: out about her children and she gets this news, Jos,
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  Speaker 1: kind of have you ever dealt with a case across
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  Speaker 1: the border? It's awful. Yes, it's an absolute nightmare. And
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine being a young mama and not knowing
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  Speaker 1: the status of your babies, not knowing where they are,
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  Speaker 1: and then they're on the other side of the border.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get your hands on them, you can't comfort them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, think about these this, Nancy. You're obviously a parent.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a parent, and kids this age they need their mama.
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  Speaker 1: They cry, they need comforting, and you know, these kids
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  Speaker 1: are in a position. I'm a firm believer the kids
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  Speaker 1: can sense fhere, even at a very young age, they
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  Speaker 1: would know. I think, on one level, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: a primal level, that something's up, you know, because mom's
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  Speaker 1: generally in our atmosphere, she's not and we've been on
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  Speaker 1: it's not just it's not like he took them down
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  Speaker 1: the playgront All right, this is a long, long trip,
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  Speaker 1: so their anxiety would have been up as well. And
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  Speaker 1: I think concurrently, mama's anxiety is up to and then
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  Speaker 1: she's faced with having to deal with these folks on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the border to try to get answers.
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  Speaker 1: It's an absolute parental horror show, you know. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about Wendy Fry, senior reporter San Diego Union Tribune, when
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  Speaker 1: she first found out about that surveillance video. And there's surveillance.
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  Speaker 1: The video shows a husband at City Express Hotel and
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  Speaker 1: Rosa Rito with his two children. He checks in with them,
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  Speaker 1: but he doesn't out with them. The video shows him leaving,
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  Speaker 1: but he's by himself, right. He was leaving in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night, and he has the kids, he
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  Speaker 1: has the stroller, and that's from an elevator shot. And
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  Speaker 1: then he comes back a few hours later without the children.
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  Speaker 1: So he left it like three in the morning, in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night. And of course these kids
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  Speaker 1: must have known something was going on. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: got the baby in a box in the Mercedes printer van, right,
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  Speaker 1: so the three year old must know the baby's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be in a car seat, not in a box. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I imagine these kids, we're rought with beer the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Wendy Fry, What do you mean
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  Speaker 1: the baby, the ten months old was in a box,
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  Speaker 1: so he didn't have a car seat, so he put
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  Speaker 1: The affidavit says he told the FBI that he had
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  Speaker 1: put the baby in a box in the van to
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  Speaker 1: drive down there. I'm sorry for the dead air right there,
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  Speaker 1: just trying to take in what you're saying, Wendy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've asked a lot of people this, but does it
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  Speaker 1: ever get to you when you cover these cases? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: when I tried these cases, I'm gonna have to investigate,
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  Speaker 1: you know, literally down to a single hair at a
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  Speaker 1: crime scene. It was overwhelming. It was like huge tidal
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  Speaker 1: waves of crime crashing me every day. This putting the
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  Speaker 1: baby in a box, right, Sometimes it does. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I cover Mexico, right, so sometimes it seems like every
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  Speaker 1: crime scene is worse than the next. And sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: don't even phase you at first. But then you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you're reporting, you're just in the in the process
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  Speaker 1: of collecting facts and confirming that, so that sort of
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  Speaker 1: makes it automatic. And then later something, you know, something
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  Speaker 1: stupid or small sort of sets me off to where yah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but in my circle, you know, they let you kind
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  Speaker 1: of closer up to the crime scene, so I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: desensitized to violence. Not in this case they didn't. They
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  Speaker 1: really did secure the crime scene. They had their best
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  Speaker 1: investigators out there. But you know, often it's pretty visible
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  Speaker 1: in Baja California and in Mexico. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about two little children that at first
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  Speaker 1: we think are targets of parental kidnapping. When the surf
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  Speaker 1: teacher dad takes off in a Mercedes Sprinter with them,
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  Speaker 1: Mom finds out through find my iPhone at that he's
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  Speaker 1: actually in Mexico from where they live in Santa Barbara.
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  Speaker 1: And then the worst comes true. After learning about surveillance
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  Speaker 1: video at the City Express Hotel in Rosarita showing the
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  Speaker 1: dad checking in with the two children ages five and
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  Speaker 1: ten months, leaving with and we're on three AM, and
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  Speaker 1: then returning without them. Mom knows something is horribly wrong.
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  Speaker 1: We were hearing about those surveillance video from our friend
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  Speaker 1: Richard Allen at CBS eight in San Diego. But then
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  Speaker 1: she finds out that an employee finds the children dead,
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  Speaker 1: the babies and a wooden steak stained with a wooden steak. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Katie Johnson at cbsn LA.
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  Speaker 1: Two young children were found dead in Mexico. Investigators in
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  Speaker 1: Mexico say the three year old girl and one year
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  Speaker 1: old boy were found Monday morning by a farm worker
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  Speaker 1: at a ranch in Baja California. The girl had been
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  Speaker 1: stabbed twelve times and the boys stabbed seventeen times. A
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  Speaker 1: blood stained wooden steak was also found. Police in Santa
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  Speaker 1: Barbara saying Matthew Taylor Coleman's wife reported the children missing
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  Speaker 1: and said she was concerned for their well being. Coleman
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  Speaker 1: could face aggravated murder charges in Mexico. Let me get
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  Speaker 1: back to you, Wendy Fry joining us from the San
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  Speaker 1: Diego Union Tribune. Tell me who, what were and why
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  Speaker 1: about the discovery of these tiny children's bodies. So a
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  Speaker 1: farm worker went out, and you heard a little bit
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  Speaker 1: from him, a shall blood. The dogs were alerting to
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  Speaker 1: the blood. He followed the dogs and found this horrific
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  Speaker 1: scene that both of the babies were apparently in diapers,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and he's the way he described it. Later, he said
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: he thought it was like a satanic ritual or a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: cult chilling. He described that to Baja California journalists right
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: after the discovery. So you've got to imagine, this is
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: just horrifying to see it's in an area that's very remote.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So that though Matthew said norther in northern Rosarto, this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: discovery of the bodies was way south in Rosarito, like
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: probably more toward in Sonata really and very remote area
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: where there's only dirt roads and you know, not a
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: lot of people around. You know the fact of course
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: somebody is going to start screaming. Wendy Patrick that he
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was insane, but he knew to hide the bodies and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to take off to leave the scene. And that is
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: pure evidence of flight. I mean, when I see a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: cop bowling up behind me or a trooper on the interstate,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I don't take off at one hundred mph. I might
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: tap the brakes, but I don't try to run because
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he searches my car or am
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I trying have at it. I'd just be mad if
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you didn't. But he hid the bodies and he takes
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: off and hides, he does not respond to his wife's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: text or emails, her phone, calls, nothing, because he knows
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: what he's doing is wrong. And when I hear satanic
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: cult suspected, I know right where they're going to go
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: with an insanity defense. Yeah, Nancy, an insanity defense would
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: be a lot easier if there were actually circumstantial evidence
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to support that particular defense. But here you've got too
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: much conscious, cognitive and sophistication in the conduct. I mean,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: this is not only somebody that goes through all the trouble,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: not only to skip town, but skip the country, even
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: though it was a complicated set of circumstances to get there,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: with all those pasos and checking into the motel. But
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: then you're right, when you look at the cause of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: death and the behavior afterwards, you know, insanity. Do you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: know right from wrong? That's really the general question that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: we ask And in answering that question, you know, you
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: have to consider all the different logical and logical let's
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: put that in quotes, but all the different strategic and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: intentional bits of conduct that this man went through between
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: leaving the house and the murder. Yeah, I'm the end
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, I'd like to Wendy's point to kind
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of bolster her thesis here relative to the forensic evidence,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: we're talking about a steak, a wooden steak, Nancy, I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: submit to you that he if this is a steak,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: as they're calling it, I'm not talking about something you
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: go out and steak tomatoes without in your garden. If
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this is a stake that he fashioned, I believe that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he would have probably fashioned this at his own home.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: And this takes time, all right, It takes tools. It's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: not like he just in a fury picked up a knife,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: all right, that anybody might have laid around. No, no no, no,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: no no. He took the time, perhaps to fashion a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: steak and multiple steaks. Because this is the thing when
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with wood and this goes to the deeper
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: forensics here. But this is what happens the steak, the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: wooden stake that you fashion, no matter how sharp it is,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: after you have stabbed someone, these babies multiple multiple times,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: what happens to that state It gets dull. You have
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to go back and resharpen it. Unless I want to
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: point out when you say you have to go back
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and resharpen it, keep in mind as far as the steak,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the wooden stake getting dull. The girl had been stabbed
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: twelve times, the boy seventeen times with a wooden steak.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And I want to also tell you this guy was
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: no idiot. He has a master's degree from you see
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Santa Barbara. A master's degree that means a four year
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: degree plus a master's degree. I want you to take
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a listen now to our cut six. This is Melissa
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Aidan with NBC seven. This all started when Santa Barbara
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: police were first alerted of a possible parental kidnapping and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: missing person's report, which Coleman's wife had filed over the
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: weekend using to find my iPhone app. Coleman was tracked
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and apprehended at the Senna Cedro Port of entry, where
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: he then admitted to FBI agents chilling details as to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: how and why he says he committed the murders, including
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: taking his kids across the border with his ten month
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: old in a box since he didn't have a car seat.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Coleman confessed to the killing of his ten month old
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: son and two year old daughter by shooting a spear
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fishing gun into their chest while in Rosarito, Mexico, but
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: The most disturbing is how he described the slaying at
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a ranch Intro Sardiito, telling federal agents he believed his
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: children were going to quote grow into monsters, so he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: had to kill them, citing that he was enlightened by
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories and that he was receiving
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: visions and signs revealing that his wife possessed serpent DNA
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and had passed it on to his children. I told
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: you you were going to hear about serpent DNA, and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: now you have Quanon Illuminati. You know, I've got a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: post that he did list of this. Another picture that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: came to me was of God reaching down into a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: river bed, picking up a small stone, examining it, just
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: as David had done before slaying Goliath. God examined the stone,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: confident it was just a perfect one for battle. Although
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: it was small, smooth and harmless, he knew it become
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: great when placed in the palm of a skilled hand.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: My declaration over Roxy, his daughter, is that she has
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: been handpicked by God to slay the giants in the land.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Bible scripture plus Qannon and Illuminati conspiracies. What is he
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: talking about, Wendy fry. That is a very scary post
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: that you just read. I had not seen that one.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I saw one where he had his babyswn next to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the spear fishing gun, and I guess we should clarify too.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: So when the Rosary Tool police found this wooden steak,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: they initially believed that that was the murder weapon. In subsequently,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: when he was arrested and he started talking to the FBI,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he told them that he actually had used a spear
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: fishing gun to kill the children and then later driven
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to a different area and hid it hid that spear
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: fishing gun. So then Mexico police were able to later
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: go to the location where he hit it and recover
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that murder weapon as well. So we don't know exactly
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: what he used this wooden stake for. We just know
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: that it had bloodstains and it was next to the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: crime scene, and that he says it was the spear
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: fishing gun. There's another post where the baby right when
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: his two year old son was born, he had the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: baby wrapped up in a little blanket and he had
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it next laid out next to the spear fishing gun
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and said, you know his son's name, and how he
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: couldn't wait to go spearfishing as well, So just pretty eerie.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Later figuring out what happened that he had his son
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: posted online as a baby with this murder weapon, which
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: presumably at the murder web, and saying that his friend
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't wait. It's pretty scary crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: we are talking about the parental kidnap and murder of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: two little children by the surf dad killer who takes
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: away the children as his wife frantically tries to find them,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: says they were growing in to quote monsters that had
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: gotten serpent DNA from mommy. Don't be fooled by all
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: of his bs the technical legal term about QAnon and Illuminati.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: This guy knows exactly what he's doing. He just didn't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: want children anymore. Take a listen to our cut five.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: This is Richard Allen, CBS eight investigators in Mexico. See
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that Coleman owns a serf school in Santa Barbara. According
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to the school's website, Coleman has ties to the San
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Diego area, earning his bachelor's degree at Point Loman Nazarene
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: University before attending UC Santa Barbara for his masters. According
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to a statement from the FBI, Coleman remains in federal
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: custody while a joint investigation continues among federal investigators in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles and San Diego. US Customs and Border Protection
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: and Mexican authorities and authorities on both sides of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: border are now working to return the bodies of the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: two children here to California. In the meantime, Coleman could
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: face extradition to Mexico to face murder charges, and, if
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: ultimately convicted, could spend at least the next sixty years
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: in a Mexican prison. I think he knew the moment
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: across the border that he was going to kill the children,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: knowing full well then Mexico does not have the death
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: penalty and will not extradige anybody back to the US
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: if the US is going to seek the death penalty. Guys,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: why is it? It's so often when mothers or fathers
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: killed their children, they're immediately assumed to be insane. That's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: not true. Do I have to say the name Josh Powell?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Ben Tracy our cut thirteen at
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: CBS News. As Arson investigators continued to search through what's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: left of the Powell home. The medical examiner now says
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: seven year old Charlie in five year old Braden Powell
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: suffered chop injuries to their head and necks. The sheriff
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: says their father, Josh Powell, then started the house on fire.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: They found two five gallon cans of gas. One of
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: them was with the bodies, the other one we believe
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: was spread throughout the house. There was accelerants throughout the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: whole entire house. Policy before he carried out the murder suicide,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Powell donated his son's toys to charity and left instructions
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: about his personal effects in multiple emails. He sent some
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: emails out to family and a pastor and some other people,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: making sure that everybody knew that he was gone, that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he was one that did this. He had put a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: plan in motion and he carried it out. Powell had
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: been under police scrutiny following the suspicious disappearance of his wife,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Susan Cox Powell, from their Utah home in December two
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Six days ago, he lost a battle
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: with Susan's parents for custody of his sons. It was
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: very clear rather than handover custody to his wife that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: he kills Susan Powell's parents and undergo a psycho sexual
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: evaluation to determine whether he could even have visitation. He
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: killed his children. It was a very well planned just
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: like surf Dad, And do I even have to say
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the name killer Dad? Chris Watts Remember Cec and Bella
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and mom Shenan. Take a listen to our cup fifteen eight,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Elena Athens, ABC eleven. Chris Watts's voice started cracking when
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: he talked about his four year old daughter's final words.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Very day, the failed native says the murderous rampage where
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: he killed his entire family and unborn son started in
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: the master bedroom his pregnant wife Shennan, bringing up the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: affair he was having. She threatened to take away the kids,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and he responded by physically silencing her. Kind of course, after,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Watt says, the eldest child, Bella, walked into the room,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: which was wrong. Wat says the child was following him
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: around the house as he was dragging Shennan's body into
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: his pickup truck. He also placed Bella and three year
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: old Ceci in the vehicle. He drove them to his
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: job site and killed the girls. Chris Watts knew what
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: he was doing. It was very well planned. And then
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I mean I could go on, but I don't want
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to forget to mention and our cut nineteen Take a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at crime online dot com talking
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: about Ryan Lawrence, another killer dad. Ryan Lawrence tried to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: elude police who were looking for the father and his
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: twenty one month old daughter. As temperatures dropped below freezing,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Lawrence entered a shop to stay warm. He tried to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: disguise his looks by wearing a wig, bandana, hat, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: dark sunglasses, but he was recognized. When Lawrence was arrested.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: He had camping gear in his backpack and a book
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: on how to elude being captured. After being questioned for hours,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: he confessed and told detectives where they could find Maddox's body.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: When she was pulled from the river. She had been
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: dead for more than two days. Ryan Lawrence's family said
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: he had been a doting father. Ryan himself said during
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: his confession that he had prayed to God to give
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: him a sign not to go through with what he
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: had planned, but he didn't. He said, he prayed God,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: if I'm not meant to kill her, make her stumble.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Somehow God gets idea to so many murder scenarios. This
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: guy we're talking about today, surf Dad, he knew exactly
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: what he was doing, you know. Back to you, Wendy
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: for I, senior reporter, San Diego Union Tribune. What's this
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: business about Illuminati and QAnon? Yeah, I mean it's conspiracy
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: theories all over the internet. The serpent DNA might refer
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to mess these message board conspiracy theories that the coronavirus
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: vaccine gives you the serpent DNA. So that's something that
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: people read. You know what I've had it about up
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to hear with the whole COVID conspiracies. It's a scam.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It's not real. It's fake. I had COVID. My mother
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: gave it to me, my eighty nine year old mother,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and then I gave it to my own children and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: my husband and Jackie. I mean, we all had COVID.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: It's real. And the other day some kid was telling me, well,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: we haven't had COVID because it makes you sterile. It doesn't.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And now this serpent blood is that what this is
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: all about? Wendy, Well, the qum on conspiracy theory you know.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean people have probably heard about that. Final it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: this pro Trump conspiracy movement that place blow off. Don't
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: drag Trump or Biden, either one into this thing, Okay,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: but qan on Illuminati, well, if you can, if you
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: can possibly not say Trump, it would really make me happy.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. So they believe that there's this secret pedophilia ring, right,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: and that there's a conspiracy to cover it up among
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: all these elite uh you know, famous people, an elite politicians,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and they worship Satan. Okay, so this is like just
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a crazy conspiracy theory that people talk about all over.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I guarantee either Biden or Trump we're worshiping Satan. The
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: other side would find out and then be on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: front page of the New York Post. Okay, so they're
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not a worshiping saying but where does that leave me
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: as it relates to Kalio and Roxy and Surple Blood,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the wouldn't stake Well, it's something you you know, you
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: want to dismiss because it's like crazy people talking on
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the internet. Right. But the conspiracy movement has been the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: subject of multiple reports by the FBI saying that these
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: followers are they could resort to violence. You know, there
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: they are becoming violent. They're talking about taking their world
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: from the Internet into the real world. And you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: so this is an example of okay, you know, maybe
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: we should start paying attention now. I get it, But
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: what about the illuminati, the so called illuminati, what does
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that have to do with this. That's about the you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the the group of people who really know what's going on.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I think it was in a movie. You know. It
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: leeds back to the Renaissance way long ago, that there's
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: a group of people that really are the only people
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: who really know, you know, and they haven't shared with
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: us what's really going on. I can tell you what's
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: going on. This grade A number one, a whole another
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: technical legal term, has a one way ticket to dinner
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: with Satan, and he's going to make a little pit
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: stop for life behind bars, we wait as justice unfals.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumb story signing off Goodbye friend.