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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP35 - Ritual Through Song: A Heilung Experience (w/ special guest Patrick Walsh). · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Dale in. Hello everyone.
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  Welcome back to another Phantom Heathen.
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  Ramblings podcast episode, my name is Jesse.
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  We are listening to. Of course, another Don Heim
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  track. And this one is called Gleek
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  near. Very different sort of
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  instrumental thing going on here.
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  We'll talk about in just a second, but let's enjoy it for
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  just a little bit longer, you know, get into that mood.
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  All right. Yes.
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  Yes, yes, yes, yes. So interesting thing about this
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  track particular came out a couple went about three years
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  ago now. Yeah, 2018.
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  And the the information that you read about it on the video
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  description on on YouTube is that it's a part of an
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  instrument that hold on a second, guys.
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  That. Goodness, gracious, where is it?
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  There it is. The instrument is found during
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  an excavation site. It's this so called what's it
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  called? Falster falster, pipe anyway,
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  this was found during a excavation in Denmark and it's
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  believed this. This instrument could have been
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  part of like a bagpipe or something like that but anyway.
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  That's what you just heard. And yeah, so Halen, welcome
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  back. If you are new to the podcast,
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  thank you so much for checking out the random Heathen ramblings
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  podcast, which is a midgard musings production.
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  And my name is Jessie and I'm the host here and you know, here
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  every week we just come here and random all ramble on about some
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  random heat and related topics. Today's guest is going to be a
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  return guest he On one of the earlier.
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  Podcast episodes, I believe of this season, I believe he was on
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  during the early. Episodes of season 2 but it's
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  name is Patrick Walsh and he's going to be coming on here in
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  just a minute to, you know, talk about going to talk about high
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  long and I'll put it like one of his favorite bands.
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  He recently got to see them in Colorado.
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  We were they would like to talk to him about some of that what
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  his experience was like and see what else we get into.
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  You know, today is my birthday. Just want to call that out, 37
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  years. I've been Traipsing around this
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  rock. So.
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  Hey I happy birthday to me. Feel like doing anything.
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  Nice for the channel for myself. Feel free to check the show
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  a little bit of nice nicely, nice for the birthday boy.
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  So but yeah, we we are, we are going to be getting into some
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  stuff today with Patrick. What stuff that is I don't
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  Exactly know, 100%. But Let's get the show started,
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  shall we? Let's do it.
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  Alright, so, I hope you guys have had a great week, thus far,
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  it is Veterans Day aside, from course, being my birthday, which
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  is arguably more important than this old guy's birthday, Sohail
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  and thanks to all the servicemen and women of the Armed Forces,
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  military, United States military, appreciate your your
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  service want to say thank you. So hope you're if you are a
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  service man or woman that Are getting to enjoy your day
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  somehow. So yeah, pre-shape, appreciate
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  you for all and what you do. So anyway, let's let's go ahead
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  and welcome in Patrick on today's episode and see what we
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  can. We can get ourselves into all
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  right folks, here we are back again back at it again, another
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  random Heathen ramblings podcast and I got Patrick Walsh, my
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  friend over there in Was it Missouri?
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  Brian. Bring Ya Back?
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  Yep. So like I mentioned earlier
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  before you came on here Patrick you know you were you were on
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  the podcast I think at the early part of season, two earlier this
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  year and talked about some really cool things I will.
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  So if anybody that's listening watching whatever he wants to
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  Head back and listen or watch. I don't think it was a video at
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  the time. But yeah.
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  Anybody that wants to listen to the last podcast that Patrick
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  was here was on here with me than just check the description
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  or check the show notes of the of today's episode and you can
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  see what we talk about. As I recall we were we were
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  going into some like Where we came from and like how it kind
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  of led up into our respective, Henry.
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  I know you were if I recall correctly, brought up, we did
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  all of them all, and then we also explain our all our
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  backgrounds and where we came from, and how music can actually
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  got put into that conversation as well.
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  Oh, yeah. And it just went off into all
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  kinds of neat places but, um, so yeah.
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  First, you know, first and foremost as As always, like I
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  say, thank you for taking time and today was actually a, you
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  know, the time recording this podcast, when this airs, it's my
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  birthday. So you know, November 11th, this
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  is when it's airing today we're recording and of course in
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  advance. But want to just say, you know,
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  thanks for being available on such short notice because I know
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  we had talked about you coming on here and it was going to be
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  like weeks down the road or maybe even next month, wasn't
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  sure and and happy birthday. Yeah.
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  Appreciate I mean like 37 years, I've been traipsing around on
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  this this rock somehow made it this far.
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  So yeah, all the bumps and potholes and waterfalls and
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  crazy. Rollercoaster rides along the
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  way man. It's feeling those miles.
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  Now you know, right. All of those experiences are
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  definitely Putting some wear and tear on this alternate takes its
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  toll. Yeah, but yeah, I'm just going
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  to keep on, you know, keep on doing my thing.
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  Keep on keeping on until I until I can't.
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  But yeah. Just so, you know, I figured a
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  fun thing to do today, you actually are just a little bit.
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  I want to say was like about a month ago, a little bit over a
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  month ago where you were in the state of Colorado and you saw
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  some, some some performance, right?
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  That's correct. Yeah.
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  And it was I don't know, is this?
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  It was this is this little band that some people may have heard
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  of called Highland, right? Yeah, people may have heard of
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  them. Maybe.
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  Yeah, maybe, but no, man. Like I think if I, if I A bigger
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  fan of high alone anywhere. I'd be surprised just because of
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  this is the guy here folks, like, Patrick Walsh.
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  Yeah. He's the, I mean, if he could be
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  the height man or whatever of hyelin, I think this is, this is
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  the guy right here. So on this is not that this
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  wasn't your just your first time, seeing them either right
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  now, this is beyond my second time, saying, I'm the first time
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  was in Chicago and January 2020, and that was Right before the
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  pandemic really hit hard. So I got really lucky there.
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  Yeah, yeah, cuz been man after that it was it was an absolute
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  shit show. Absolutely, for, for the biggest
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  part of the year. So so that's interesting.
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  So I want to, I wanted to see if you could talk a bit.
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  Of course I would love to hear about the whole experience as it
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  were but I was really like to wonder, you know, pre covid and
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  then kind of post covid. I mean the pandemic Isn't
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  necessarily, you know, it's me, it's all around us.
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  We hear about it all the time. This whole covid-19 thing, but I
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  was just wondering, you know, the experience pre-pandemic or
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  pre covid versus the experience that you had a little over a
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  month ago, what, where if any notable differences or did it
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  feel different? Was it, you know, just, I'd love
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  to hear your thoughts about just the whole thing.
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  Absolutely. So our first time seeing him
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  Chicago, Was obviously, you know, they're both life-changing
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  experiences. But, um, as far as the pandemic
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  goes, you know, there wasn't really a drastic difference per
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  se. I mean, you know, people know a
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  lot of people but some were wearing masks at the out, the
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  Colorado virtual. But yeah, Chicago though it's
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  funny. Um, I didn't see them that well,
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  as far as seating. Why if they've looked like, you
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  know, little toy soldiers in the distance, kind of thing.
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  But the venue was jam-packed and I remember my friend and I when
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  we got there, the line we were in was off for blocks long.
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  Oh, wow. Yeah yeah, that was a doozy and
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  it was freezing to and it's one of those general admission shows
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  work. You got there at the ass crack
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  and Dawn you got the best spot. Oh wow.
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  Okay so yeah, first come first serve exactly.
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  Unfortunately, I was that though someone who, you know, not bad
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  for say but we had other things to do as well.
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  So it is still all around. You know.
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  Excellent show us. Actually, cool is the night
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  before we were I like a little party and the person hosting
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  this party, actually sent a video of us in some pictures to
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  a high long directly. So then later on that evening I
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  was with my friend that's a real trip of a story.
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  You know what I mean? But um we're sitting there and
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  my friend tells me that they responded to us via video and
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  I'd be happy to share that with you sometime but it was really
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  trippy. See Maria and some of the
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  members you know saying how happy and excited they were to
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  see us and then Chi at the very end, as I get fucked up to them.
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  Accident. Yeah, classic guy but uh it was
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  really cool though. Dang.
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  So yeah, I mean I've been to plenty of just I haven't been to
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  a hilum show ritual and I like that.
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  That's what. Yeah, that's pretty much.
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  Like just what everyone calls him.
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  Like it's not a, not a concert. I mean it is but it's you know
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  what? Everyone calls him.
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  It's like you experienced hilum, you know, it's an experience,
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  it's a ritual experience. It's not just, you know like
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  you're standing in a in a theater and listening to music.
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  You're a part of something bigger.
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  Yeah. And that's the thing about
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  highlighting at being a fan and just someone who casually
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  listens to him, I mean, I struggled to even be able to see
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  a casual listener for me, ever since I really got into high
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  long, it really transform my perspective and appreciating and
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  enjoy music on many different levels because speaking on the
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  pandemic, I remember after seeing them and Chicago.
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  I was having a really awesome time in life, but then shortly
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  after one, that picked them up, is getting really bad life that
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  very difficult and I was going to the there's some very
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  difficult times and how long you know that sounds corny but never
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  ceases to fail, and never fails me and never lets me down.
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  It always. Let's do have and puts be in the
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  right mindset that I wish to be in and it's this, you know,
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  overall incredible experience. And I remember I'll see the
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  after that, up ritual, I joined a Facebook group called up high
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  like spiritual tribe community. And I'll tell you what, I met
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  some incredible people and made some amazing friends.
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  Some of which have come to visit me and then some I've come to
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  visit. As I've mentioned, you might rip
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  the Arkansas or not Arkansas but Indiana the visit one of my
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  friends. I met on that website though.
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  Oh, really the like really Actual the, you know, the online
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  form that that turned into real real friendships, you know.
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  Yeah, real Community. Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Did they were they at the with the, the Indiana folks were they
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  at the Colorado? Unfortunately, they were a
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  table, they weren't able to make it unfortunately, due to coveted
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  issues as well. Yeah, yeah man.
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  It's kick a lot of people's ass that I know in some way form or
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  fashion. Right.
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  But did no. No.
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  I'll never forget my I specifically made sure to get my
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  vaccinations just because I knew I wanted to travel and to see
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  them and also just to get that peace of mind.
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  Just know I took all the precautions necessary to make
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  that trip possible but it's just the weeks leading up to it.
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  But my anxiety was through the roof and I was just making sure
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  everything was perfect. And just to finally that morning
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  get to the airport and then leave to go to Colorado, just a
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  great, you know, weight lifted off.
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  My shoulders is incredible. Yeah, huge resolving, anything
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  could have happened, right? Up to that point, like they
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  could have Highland that they could have run into a situation
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  had to cancel. I mean, it happens, right?
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  And fortunately for everybody that was there and yourself
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  included, you know, that that didn't happen, which is great
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  because like, just the nature of the music.
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  The nature of how they perform the music, the the ritual
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  theater aspect of it, all living out the songs.
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  And, you know, again, it's like, I think I'm wondering if the
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  experience following the covid situation and going to a
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  Highland ritual now is even more impactful and and and and does
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  even more for somebody because As look at the look at
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  everything that's happened in the year and a half since you
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  know shit hit the fan as it were right.
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  Like people's lives have been changed forever, you know, loved
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  ones have been lost their you know just the whole world has
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  really changed a lot and then a short period of time and what
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  what what huiling offers and the terms of their music and their
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  performances is. So like it's medicinal in a way
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  like it offers healing and and again, following the As of last
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  year and a half. If it wasn't impactful to you
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  before, all that going through, its surviving and then going to
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  something like this. How much more is, it does?
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  It sing tossed, touch our souls even more.
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  So, absolutely. And that's the thing, I'm glad
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  you mentioned, that is, as far as like the crowd, you know, the
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  people who win, there's a huge difference.
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  As far as the turnout in Chicago, it was a very mix up
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  like, you know, Oh people who are just you could tell were
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  invited and weren't really familiar with high long whereas
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  the the Red Rocks ritual, you knew anyone who is they're like
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  99 percent of them were in it for the ritual were in it, you
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  know. Yeah.
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  To partake it that experience. And what's interesting is how
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  long actually translate into healing that's the actual word
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  Ah, that's an I never knew that. I never really thought too much
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  into it, but yeah, that okay, well, you know what's even more?
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  Since it was really cool, is in the very beginning of the
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  ritual, a lot of people were holding hands and that it's just
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  the sense of community and tribe was very, very real thing and
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  there was not one unpleasant person I came across, you know,
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  everybody is a very mutual and Yeah, Common Ground.
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  Very awesome place to be at Did you make any new friends over
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  there? You know, like people that you
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  still stay in touch with or was it just kind of yes, there with
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  your people or yes, I did. I was actually there at the
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  great friend of mine that I actually met on the, the fan
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  page. Surely after I saw them in
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  Chicago and she actually made the trip very, very comfortable.
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  She took me to amazing side. So I know it's sense of pictures
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  to you over and Idaho Springs. And then, you know, just Really
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  show me the amazing sights, and the real beauty of it is
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  Colorado because I've been a Colorado feel.
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  I just went and I opened up a video, but that didn't mean to
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  cut you off. I was clicking around.
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  Sorry, no, you're fine, not very tragic, go ahead and say that
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  one more time because of, oh, no worries.
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  I'll play that again because if that's all right with you, it's
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  one of your absolutely. It's a short clip.
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  I don't want to like ruin it. Oh absolutely.
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  Early on it, but you were saying so your friend was was there
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  showing you all this great sites Idaho Springs?
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  Yeah it really gave me enough. I've been to Colorado a few
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  other times and those mainly just denver-based you know, the
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  city. And just the pop seem that this
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  trip was just all around the actual Majestic Beauty that is
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  Colorado. You know, the mountains and just
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  the scenery is absolutely stunning.
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  Yeah, you go places like that, especially, I mean, at least for
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  me, you know, and it may be different for folks listening
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  and watching that or in, you know, native to areas like that.
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  Like, I know people out on the west coast and that live in very
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  rugged and mountainous terrains and even on the east coast, and
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  it's kind of like, oh, you know, they I guess for somebody like
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  me or maybe even you that's you know, used to the low, the
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  scenery that we're used to you go places like that, it's just
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  gets a it is it's a spiritual experience.
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  At least, you know, being in. Kind of, I don't know.
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  It's like the, the mountains and the the terrain, everything.
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  It's a good took, a different sort of energy energy.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Very good probables. Well because I remember all I
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  came to a point where I was at an elevation of.
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  I think it was 12,000 feet and the air was thinner and just,
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  you could feel. The difference is, is, I'm at a
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  loss occurs to describe it. Yeah.
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  Exactly. Yes.
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  Quite was really good. Yeah, yeah.
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  Those are those above sea level elevations when you that high?
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  Like, when you're that high, you're that high.
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  But not. Oh yeah.
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  Actually do it. Yo, man.
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  But check out. So this was a this video that I
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  came across on your, on your thing.
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  I think we're about to listen to right now.
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  Well, let's just listen to it because here it is.
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  And that's like I've listened to that song so many times.
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  What's the name of that song? It's if they're singing like all
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  here. Yeah I'll volunteer.
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  And it's literally all the names of Odin Rhian being chanted or
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  gold or whatever recited. It's like I've heard that song
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  so many times. It's one of my favorites but
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  like seeing you know anybody really just like captured in
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  real-time. Like they are so into it you got
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  this guy in the background and he's just like wailing on this
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  massive drum. Then you got, you know, the
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  circle that the cast or whatever is they're all dressed the
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  daily. They did it just look like they
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  walked out of the teutoburg Forest man, like they're about
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  ready to like Massacre, some Romans or something like that,
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  work is so epic. And like people in the crowd
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  that I can see, like you're just, you can't you you were
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  scanning them by whatever. There's this one person and
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  she's just like, losing her mind.
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  She's all about their hands jumping around.
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  I mean, like getting into it and I, how come Fiving very well.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I just like, how do you not? Like I don't know like how you
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  can. Just how that doesn't like the
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  Beats of everything. Just can't stand still.
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  Yeah, yeah, I've kicked myself for not going out to that but
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  hopefully they come back and, you know, I know some other
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  really awesome performances are coming to the state side coming
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  up this year. Next next year.
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  Yeah, I know where the Runa is coming to the states.
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  I know some people who are going to, I think you're actually
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  going to the Chicago. That's right.
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  Or one of those is a Chicago, Chicago?
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  Yeah. I know somebody else who's going
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  up to the Boston performance. And I'm like, You know, which
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  one should I go to maybe? Or which one do I think about
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  going to? But I'm like, so I'm terrible.
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  When it comes to making plans that far off in advance because
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  it's like, literally like this time next year or October of
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  next year or something somewhere in like the late some October.
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  Yeah and I'm just like But if you don't know it's like if you
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  don't do anything now then you run the risk of it's selling out
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  because they usually do, you know.
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  Yeah. But that usually sells out and I
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  don't know I think hi long sold out a number there because
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  they'd only have like select locations that they went to this
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  time around. I don't think they had a lot of
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  Speight places that they went, did the hell.
• 25:02
  Obviously if I'm not mistaken on when they came to the state's
• 25:06
  this time around, it was just Colorado and that's it.
• 25:10
  Okay? I thought it might have been one
• 25:11
  other but now that's, that's even more.
• 25:13
  So like, how do you take not take advantage of that?
• 25:16
  You know, when you know the venue is absolutely perfect.
• 25:20
  As I mentioned is just, you know, the scenery and the
• 25:24
  elevation and the weather is absolutely perfect.
• 25:26
  I mean it was like 70, 60 degrees Clear, Blue Sky and just
• 25:32
  and when the the performance has taken place, you smelled this
• 25:35
  job, Palo, Santo, and Sage mixture.
• 25:38
  And this is incredible. So yeah like all of this stuff
• 25:43
  that you see burning on like the smoke and what and I like, it's
• 25:46
  not just fog machines that are known ex exactly.
• 25:50
  Yeah. Oh man, what's the?
• 25:52
  Let's see. There's another
• 26:24
  I think Haka or whatever, like, the Australian or are the Maori
• 26:30
  say Australian to Polynesia, Maori tribes and stuff.
• 26:33
  They do these ritual War dances, you know, where they, they
• 26:39
  distort, their faces to look fearsome and they, you know, but
• 26:45
  they have different meanings for different things, I guess.
• 26:47
  But that's, that's what that reminds of their likes, their
• 26:49
  Dykes pounding, the Spears on the, on the stage and just
• 26:54
  Getting into a for battle. Yeah, I know.
• 26:56
  I don't even, you know, like, if it were me and I was like, if I
• 27:00
  was there at the Red Rock location for me, it'd be like,
• 27:04
  if they did come back, and they did a performance anywhere,
• 27:07
  other than an outdoor venue in a place like that, it'd be almost
• 27:11
  like, how do you top that, you know, like, how do you go from
• 27:14
  inside of a, an auditorium or or, you know, somewhere like an
• 27:21
  arena? Yeah.
• 27:23
  How do you, how do you, how do you Go from there and then go to
• 27:26
  Red Rock, or an outdoor venue like that with nature and
• 27:28
  everything around you, where you just, you know, capturing all
• 27:31
  that in. Plus the ritual and like, how do
• 27:33
  you go from that to back to like an indoor event or an indoor
• 27:37
  arena to we'd almost be like you.
• 27:38
  Now we got to get, we got one up that one you know.
• 27:40
  Like have we figured out how to play music underwater yet.
• 27:43
  You know, we figured out how to play music in outer space.
• 27:46
  So whatever, you know like how do you top this top and
• 27:49
  interesting thing that occurred at their virtual is all So what
• 27:54
  point I'm the sound actually went out.
• 27:58
  Ferrara and extended period of time.
• 28:01
  Oh, at this one or yeah, that's good, proper locks.
• 28:04
  Oh wow. So what happened though is what
• 28:07
  was really cool is the sound stopped because I personally
• 28:11
  thought the energy was so strong and intense that the south is
• 28:15
  couldn't handle it. But soon after that happened,
• 28:20
  they kept playing. And they kept going and
• 28:22
  everybody just started clapping their hands.
• 28:24
  It's just you know, kept the vibe going.
• 28:26
  You know, we didn't want Stop and there's some mixed opinions
• 28:31
  and thoughts on the out the fan page.
• 28:34
  So people were like, you know, the ungrateful people are
• 28:36
  saying, well, I wish they would have stopped it and fixed it or
• 28:39
  no Mike no, you don't stop a virtual.
• 28:42
  You continue it and you keep it going until it's finished.
• 28:44
  You don't, you know, they already made so many sacrifices
• 28:48
  to make that, you know, performance possible as well.
• 28:51
  Aquino, to remember, is I've done some research on that
• 28:55
  incident, it wasn't High logs, all at all is It's just the
• 28:58
  people who are in charge of the sound, if you have to place a
• 29:01
  fault, but I'm not once early cast stones or anything.
• 29:05
  Oh, yeah. Well, you know, look like that
• 29:08
  that stuff happens even to the best, you know what I mean?
• 29:13
  Just, you know, soundboards, go out or, you know, things I've
• 29:17
  been to plenty of shows where, you know, the production fails
• 29:21
  or whatever. I remember going to a couple of
• 29:23
  shows and they were smaller, local shows but it was, it was
• 29:27
  an Their venue and the wiring or whatever.
• 29:30
  Like literally the band blew the whole building electricity out
• 29:37
  like around lights. There was no sound, it was like
• 29:41
  for a minute like we were just all like stuck in the darkness
• 29:43
  and I'm like, you guys are awesome and like, you know, this
• 29:47
  whole place to the ground. So, you know, I guess you could
• 29:49
  take it a couple of ways. I let you the instant, you know.
• 29:53
  But for something like this man, I think like, I think of it is
• 29:58
  like like you were saying, you know, the ritual is already
• 30:00
  underway and in real time or in real life like, Rituals don't
• 30:06
  always, you know, there's gonna be hiccups that go along the
• 30:10
  way, but the purpose behind it. The reason why you're doing it
• 30:13
  is what matters, not that every eye needs to be dotted or every
• 30:17
  team needs to be crossed or all your Ducks.
• 30:19
  Need to be in a row. Like sometimes, there's just
• 30:21
  things that happen for the reason for a reason at the time
• 30:24
  that it happens. And it's if it's out of your
• 30:26
  control and there's maybe something bigger at play or
• 30:31
  exactly. You could argue that, you know.
• 30:35
  So I was like, Yeah, I've met your mom.
• 30:39
  I thought about little hiccup was actually an opportunity to
• 30:43
  really, you know, see that tribe mentality where we just, we just
• 30:49
  kept telling him, keep going, keep going, you know?
• 30:52
  And they did and it was really cool though.
• 30:55
  As you can still hear those drums that intense just beating.
• 31:00
  And that's something I couldn't get over.
• 31:02
  I mean, a time, I watch those videos that I recorded or At
• 31:05
  those pictures that just and all of that entire experience.
• 31:09
  Yeah. And I feel that's probably a lot
• 31:11
  to do with the, the actual venue, you know, and how the
• 31:14
  sound carries across the canyon and across the rocks and things
• 31:20
  like that. Because I don't know if you've
• 31:22
  ever been in places that are just naturally great for
• 31:27
  carrying sound naturally, acoustic acoustic.
• 31:29
  Yeah, whether it be like a Limestone Ridge or, you know, a
• 31:34
  rock face. Or something.
• 31:36
  And it's like sound is captured and Care like captured and
• 31:40
  contained in a spin in a certain way and it carries in a certain
• 31:42
  way and that natural acoustic part of nature.
• 31:50
  Like are my tribes, they are Sacred.
• 31:53
  Space is literally on the front of the Limestone wall and the
• 31:56
  side of a mountain, you know, so it's like Limestone shelves.
• 31:59
  You can't dig more than just a few inches into the dirt before
• 32:02
  you hit rock and and so, you know, that our Sacred Space is
• 32:09
  kind of at like the base of that Limestone shelf and you're out
• 32:15
  there and you're talking like you can you can You can holler,
• 32:19
  you can scream. You can say certain things but
• 32:21
  it sounds like it's, it carries so far like you can hear people
• 32:26
  from the house, you know, way far away.
• 32:29
  You know, just shouting out there.
• 32:32
  Hey, you guys doing and it like, it sounds like they're like
• 32:34
  right in front of you almost because of the way that it
• 32:36
  echoes and bounces off of those Limestone.
• 32:39
  So I'm, you know, not being there and in Colorado, I'm sure
• 32:43
  that again that the venue helped with the way the sound was, was,
• 32:49
  was shared carried and yeah, there it around, you know?
• 32:54
  But that's why we're really I was gonna say, I've been really
• 32:58
  curious to hear what it sounded like at a distance, like further
• 33:02
  down the road or something like that.
• 33:04
  Just yeah, you know, imagine if you were just like this, I don't
• 33:09
  know. I think there's like some people
• 33:11
  that just like live out in the desert, or live out in the
• 33:13
  canyons, you know, because they want to, they just live off the
• 33:17
  grid. You imagine just would be in
• 33:18
  like, you know, 5 10 miles away and then the sounds bouncing off
• 33:22
  all these are and you hear these like What?
• 33:24
  Sound like ancient drums, you know, just beating away and you
• 33:27
  hear it. Kind of distance and you live
• 33:29
  back. Absolutely.
• 33:30
  No idea what's going on because you're out of touch with Society
• 33:33
  to the point where he didn't realize that there's like a
• 33:34
  concert happening. But you hear like drums and
• 33:38
  you're like, man, it's finally happening.
• 33:39
  They're coming to get me. That would happen.
• 33:45
  I'd be like shit. Take me away man.
• 33:47
  Take me home. But I like that, the, I like
• 33:52
  that you were, you know, Observant of the fact that, you
• 33:55
  know, just because it didn't go off perfectly right?
• 33:58
  Just because but it was perfect in its way like exactly found
• 34:02
  glitches and stuff like that didn't matter for the overall
• 34:06
  ritual experience. It was just like a, you know, a
• 34:09
  little hiccup or a little technicality, but it made it
• 34:11
  that much more. Because guess what?
• 34:13
  That something like that probably wouldn't happen
• 34:15
  anywhere else or like that again.
• 34:16
  So, it was an experience that you were part of and everybody
• 34:19
  else that was there was a part of it and it made it special.
• 34:22
  And you know, Kind of tying your weird with the band or with the,
• 34:26
  with the people at that point with each other, you know.
• 34:28
  Because you're really all they're just kind of
• 34:32
  Experiencing the same thing but in your own different ways.
• 34:37
  You know how you're absorbing actually vibrating with it all I
• 34:41
  guess. And that's what ritual is man.
• 34:45
  I think I like sets what I've experienced, you know, like my
• 34:47
  experience that ritual is going to be Probably a bit different
• 34:52
  than the person beside me or the person beside them.
• 34:57
  We're not all interesting. And says, she, in fact, I
• 35:00
  mentioned that as I told you before, is the first video I saw
• 35:04
  of you, you're explaining, you know, see how the performance of
• 35:08
  ritual and, you know, the steps and now everybody doesn't
• 35:11
  differently. But the way you carried years
• 35:14
  out, we do as beautiful as perfect.
• 35:17
  Yeah, the was I think it was maybe the how to perform a basic
• 35:21
  Heathen ritual video like that's right.
• 35:24
  Was that? Yeah, that one's got a lot of
• 35:26
  hits like that. One's got a lot of use if
• 35:27
  anybody's watching listening. Now whatever, I'll link it to
• 35:31
  the show. Notes are in the description
• 35:34
  stuff. You guys can check it out too
• 35:35
  but bear in mind, right? Like that video came out a
• 35:38
  couple years ago. Few years ago, maybe now at this
• 35:40
  point I was intended to just be kind of like a crash course
• 35:45
  introduction. Auction of some things you could
• 35:47
  do, if you're new to Heathen or you're new to this type of
• 35:53
  religion and how to be religious about it, how to do a ritual.
• 35:58
  And, but I say, you know, bear in mind that it was then some
• 36:01
  years ago because, you know, I've grown a bit and I'm always
• 36:05
  like looking at some of my stuff and I'm like, maybe I want to
• 36:07
  revisit that or do like a, you know, a version 2 of that video
• 36:12
  or revisit some things because I don't go back and look at my old
• 36:15
  stuff. very often, but my world view has changed a lot on a lot
• 36:20
  of things and I think it might be worth revisiting, but the
• 36:24
  point of that, what I'm trying to say, I guess is like, if you
• 36:26
  go back and you watch that video, you say, oh, you know,
• 36:29
  I'm going to do what Jesse is suggesting right?
• 36:32
  Or I'm going to follow it. That those steps, you know?
• 36:38
  Yeah, that's a tutorial. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:40
  I'm going to Liz don't follow the tutorial, right?
• 36:43
  I guess. You know for anybody that's
• 36:45
  catching it now new or going back to watch it.
• 36:47
  It's like that's all great but you know of that, if you want to
• 36:50
  use that basis to start with, but have a purpose yourself and
• 36:55
  it doesn't really matter. The way you carry it out.
• 37:01
  Obviously, some of the things that I talked about in that
• 37:03
  video are based on Traditions that have that are very old.
• 37:09
  So with reconstructing, an old religion, you know, a lot of
• 37:15
  what people like myself do is to find the old way and find the
• 37:19
  way that it was done, that was proven to have worked for the
• 37:23
  people at that time and recreator reconstructed to exist
• 37:27
  in modern times. So part of part of all that is,
• 37:30
  you know, the The practicality of of incorporating, some of
• 37:37
  those things. And when I say practicality, I
• 37:39
  mean, like, you know, is it practical for you and your
• 37:42
  people to go out and literally use blood for your rituals?
• 37:47
  You know, where that was a commonplace thing.
• 37:50
  Yeah. You know and then when the
• 37:52
  meaning of bloat and sacrifice and what it all meant, you know,
• 37:54
  is it practical? Does it mean anything?
• 37:56
  The purpose back then was to was very specific.
• 37:59
  It was the purpose was where, where it's at.
• 38:02
  And a couple of podcasts ago when I had JM all of sin on
• 38:07
  here. That's what we one of the things
• 38:09
  we talked about was, you know, what you would?
• 38:11
  What is your intention on doing things?
• 38:13
  And then, what is your purpose of doing things?
• 38:16
  You know, your intention could be, you know, why I want to
• 38:20
  learn how to do this rich? I want to be this, you know, I
• 38:22
  want to carry this position or this role with my, with my tribe
• 38:25
  or whatever, but the purpose behind what you're doing is too.
• 38:32
  You know Perry out what you wish to do, exactly whatever the
• 38:36
  purpose is. And that's that's what I'm
• 38:38
  trying to say is like all of the mechanics behind.
• 38:41
  It can be what they are, but they could be seized the snake
• 38:45
  at your own, and that's something that I hope it a man
• 38:48
  catch off or anything. No, no, please.
• 38:49
  This is something I've learned over all the years of following
• 38:54
  your channel as well as myself. And you know what I could gather
• 38:58
  is, you know, purpose and intention.
• 39:01
  It's absolutely Paramount to you know, what you're performing and
• 39:07
  what's beautiful is, you know, I mentioned you a few times in our
• 39:10
  experiences. I told you about is, you know,
• 39:13
  all certain ritual and it seemed like, okay this is like alright
• 39:17
  mediocre I guess. But then something will happen
• 39:20
  that reverberates and carries out and Des Services, my
• 39:24
  intentions and something, you know, truly special, and awesome
• 39:28
  happens. And it's just, that's when, you
• 39:30
  know, you did something. Correct.
• 39:32
  And not every time it's going to be a hit.
• 39:34
  I mean, not every times going to, you know, hit your mark but
• 39:37
  you know, back to, you know, purpose and intentions and just
• 39:40
  practicality and now how can you apply this to your your daily
• 39:44
  life, your daily practice and you know how you go about, you
• 39:47
  know, developing yourself and this path and what you choose to
• 39:50
  do. Exactly, you know your path is
• 39:55
  going to be. I think one of the things that
• 39:57
  we talked about on that, on that podcast that I have with jme
• 40:03
  that episode couple weeks ago, was, you know this this path
• 40:08
  that everybody says if they're on.
• 40:09
  Right. There's two and over the years.
• 40:15
  I've come to realize like it's not just a path that were drug.
• 40:19
  Like we're traveling a road together.
• 40:21
  It's like Path. But, you know, I'm going to take
• 40:23
  this exit in. You're going to take the next
• 40:24
  one. Are you going to take the one
• 40:25
  before me? You're going to go off on the
• 40:27
  branches of that tree in a little bit of a different way
• 40:31
  than the next person. So it's, you know, we may not
• 40:35
  even be in the same vicinity when we say, you know, while I'm
• 40:37
  following this path and we're all following this path.
• 40:40
  It's like, I could be, I could be on a totally different Goat
• 40:43
  Trail than you are. You know, exactly that some of
• 40:47
  the, some of the similarities, some of the things obviously
• 40:49
  will have You know, we that we can compare and find a, you
• 40:55
  know, relation with, you know, the gods, some of the
• 40:59
  fundamentals, you know, stuff like that.
• 41:01
  But ultimately, you know, I think in this is an interesting
• 41:08
  point. I don't know what you think
• 41:09
  about this. But I was talking to a guy last
• 41:11
  week from last week's podcast, James Davey, and he, and his
• 41:15
  experience, and Heath, Andre has been, has been a fetish beliefs
• 41:21
  of anglo-saxon approach to things.
• 41:23
  And, interestingly, what I come to learn is, is like It's not so
• 41:28
  much this overarching religion, that everyone's following.
• 41:33
  It's the religion that becomes what it is because of the
• 41:37
  traditions and practices, that one's tribe develops.
• 41:44
  And so, basically what it boils down to is like My try becomes
• 41:49
  my religion, your tribe becomes your religion.
• 41:53
  And yes, there's going to be some similarities and some new,
• 41:55
  you know, nuances of things that are familiar to each other.
• 42:01
  But ultimately, the way that I Heathen in the way that, you
• 42:03
  know, our tribe, he tends is not going to be the same.
• 42:05
  Exactly the same as the way you and your tribe or his and his
• 42:09
  tribe or her and her tribe, do it.
• 42:11
  Everyone's going to do a slight variation or slight twist and
• 42:15
  it's light but that's what makes it so special.
• 42:18
  That's really where I feel even re is, should be going in the
• 42:22
  direction. It should be going is like don't
• 42:24
  worry about so much the way you know the icelanders did it or
• 42:27
  the Norwegians did it or the Danes did it or the swedes.
• 42:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:31
  Start there you can, you know you can pull from your sources
• 42:35
  and getting get inspiration on how to do it but like man make
• 42:39
  it the way Patrick and in does it or they'll make it the way
• 42:42
  that you know his tribe does it and then my tribe or whoever you
• 42:46
  know like that's the way it we. Do it here.
• 42:48
  And now for the purpose that that we're seeking to fulfill
• 42:52
  achieve, there's a purpose behind it.
• 42:54
  Why are we doing it the way we're doing?
• 42:55
  There's, it's more about the why than it is the I guess the
• 42:59
  semantics of it all, you know, or the probably just it's of it.
• 43:02
  All I think it's important to, you know, it's this thought this
• 43:06
  reoccurring in my mind is to make it your own to make it you
• 43:10
  know, something that, you know, you can embody and carry out and
• 43:14
  we all I like to think we come from a similar route but we Is
• 43:18
  take different branches and different Pathways as you
• 43:21
  mentioned, but overall, you know, come to the same
• 43:24
  destination. And that's honoring our
• 43:27
  ancestors that are gods and you know, our land whites and it's
• 43:31
  here, it's just something, you know, it's all about what I
• 43:35
  mentioned earlier is the purpose and intentions but yeah.
• 43:40
  Yeah. And why do we do that?
• 43:41
  You know, like we know why our ancient ancestors, did it the
• 43:44
  way they did it is because you know if they didn't it was you
• 43:47
  know, They would survive. Yeah, you know they did things
• 43:51
  the way they did it because their lives depended on it and
• 43:56
  while a lot of us don't live, you know, that Homesteader
• 44:00
  lifestyle where, you know, living off the land and stuff is
• 44:02
  a is is more closer to the way. Our ancient ancestors did it.
• 44:07
  But, you know, there's, there's there's some people that do it
• 44:09
  that way and then there's a lot of us most most people have, you
• 44:12
  know, a much more integrated lifestyle into, you know.
• 44:18
  Diet e and modern conveniences and things.
• 44:20
  So everybody's going to do things a little bit differently,
• 44:24
  but that doesn't make it wrong and it doesn't mean that it's
• 44:27
  incorrect. It's if it works for you and
• 44:30
  you've had success in the way, you do things and the way you
• 44:33
  execute things then really, who is anyone else to say that
• 44:37
  you're wrong, and doing it, because Just because they don't
• 44:41
  do it that way. They may do something in a
• 44:43
  different way and they've had success doing it their way.
• 44:46
  Well great keep on doing you then do it.
• 44:49
  Also provides it also provides an opportunity to, you know,
• 44:54
  learn and maybe apply something that they could possibly change
• 44:59
  the way you do things in the best possible way.
• 45:01
  They just make you question any now become a better he than a
• 45:05
  better person. This is what, you know, choose
• 45:07
  to know. Apply and learn.
• 45:09
  Yeah. Yeah, man.
• 45:11
  Like I was talking to some people, this is weeks ago about.
• 45:18
  Gosh, what was it it was a we're talking about like animal
• 45:21
  totems, you know, and which is what, you know, we see this in a
• 45:27
  lot of different cultures but like somebody was asking, you
• 45:30
  know, like what is your, what do you think your animal totem is?
• 45:33
  And why, you know what I mean? And what animal do you feel the
• 45:38
  most? not similar to but like feel
• 45:43
  most connected with you know, And and, and one of the people
• 45:49
  in the chat that was that was responding.
• 45:55
  Said that the bore wild boars was an important animal for
• 46:03
  them, but they didn't really elaborate as to why.
• 46:06
  And I knew a little bit about this individual and I thought
• 46:09
  about it and I said, he probably has something to do with the,
• 46:14
  the sacred inherent sacredness of bores in Germanic.
• 46:18
  Culture and, you know, the whole Frazer and Gould and bursty and
• 46:23
  you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 46:26
  And I said I would if I were to guess that's probably why it
• 46:30
  means something to to this to this gentleman, right?
• 46:33
  And the response I got was yeah, that makes sense that you'd
• 46:35
  think that way, but it actually has more to do with the fact
• 46:38
  that this man has hunted wild boars and has sustained injury
• 46:42
  from these animals, while hunting them and has has built a
• 46:46
  very tangible. Double relationship in the
• 46:49
  realest of census. I mean, being face-to-face with
• 46:53
  an animal that will literally tear you limb from limb.
• 46:56
  And having to survive in the face of this, this Beast, you
• 47:00
  know, and, and stuff like that. It's like, that's why the
• 47:03
  enemies like he's I've got scars from attacks that I've you know
• 47:09
  endured from these animals and stuff on my legs or wherever and
• 47:12
  I'm like Oh okay, so this is more like real life stuff.
• 47:16
  This is visited, this isn't more about the, you know, the the woo
• 47:19
  type stuff which there is somewhere that some of that bowl
• 47:22
  applies, he's like, but really the reason why I feel so
• 47:26
  quote-unquote connected or related to, you know, in that
• 47:29
  sort of way or that this animal speaks to me more so than
• 47:32
  anything is because I've literally, you know, How to
• 47:37
  survive. They've tried to survive against
• 47:38
  me. I've tried to survive against
• 47:40
  them. We have that, Mutual Life Bond,
• 47:45
  kind of thing. I'm like, wow, that's more
• 47:47
  simplistic than anything. But it's deep when you think
• 47:51
  about it, it has a lot of meaning to it.
• 47:53
  And yeah, you know, it's like it's more than just, oh, I like
• 47:59
  crows and ravens and stuff because of Odin or I like, you
• 48:02
  know, goats because of Thor or any You know, those those
• 48:07
  correlations between animals and and deities, and how the there's
• 48:11
  sacred connections between those and things.
• 48:15
  And some of the Lord's like, you know, I You know, that's where a
• 48:22
  lot of people I think have a lot to learn, you know, it's like
• 48:26
  you don't just necessarily have to gravitate towards that thing
• 48:30
  or the other because it's what's in the story since what's in the
• 48:33
  lore, you know find it your own way and experience it yourself.
• 48:36
  You know I was I was talking to I was talking to my go these.
• 48:44
  So I was at dingoes house this past this past weekend and his
• 48:51
  daughter was there. She's like six, you-know-who and
• 48:56
  she was she was showing me some of these like art projects or
• 49:00
  things that she's made. She was showing me this like
• 49:02
  little flip book, illustration book.
• 49:06
  And she showed me this picture of an owl.
• 49:10
  And I said, where did you see this owl?
• 49:14
  You know, because like we're dingoes places it's an apartment
• 49:17
  complex, you know. So it's not very rural to say
• 49:21
  the least, there's trees around it but it's not, you know, like
• 49:26
  it's an apartment complex, just like a weird to see this out.
• 49:29
  Did you see it out at, you know, your Mammy and pawpaws or you
• 49:32
  know, where do you see it? And she just stops.
• 49:36
  And she looks at me dead in the eye and she points to her head
• 49:40
  and I That's awesome. If you say, I saw him up here, I
• 49:42
  saw him in my head and I looked at dinging any we start we start
• 49:46
  telling me, you know, the whole story line behind it and what
• 49:49
  you know this owl represents to her and how he's kind of been
• 49:54
  there for her and I'm like that's some real, that's some
• 49:58
  real heavy duty stuff man. You know Especial six-year-old,
• 50:02
  this is is teaching us about shamanistic, type Journeys and
• 50:06
  things that she's at and I'm like over here, you know, about
• 50:09
  to be 37 years. Years old and still sitting all
• 50:12
  this stuff. And she's over here, like
• 50:14
  teaching us a thing or two. That's just the innocence of a
• 50:17
  child than their minds are still soaking up everything.
• 50:20
  I just can't help it be admired. yep, and You know, wisdom is
• 50:29
  wisdom where wherever it comes from.
• 50:32
  So I'm never I'm never shying away from an experience with
• 50:39
  that someone may have. And that like you were saying
• 50:40
  earlier of the things that we can learn from each other, you
• 50:44
  know, just because they haven't, you know, been on the world for
• 50:47
  decades, you know, living life and experiencing things doesn't
• 50:50
  mean that they can't teach you something.
• 50:51
  And you know, like I said this, this this child who's, you know,
• 50:55
  30 years younger than me Is. Showing me things and giving me
• 51:01
  things to think about from experiences that she's had and I
• 51:07
  hadn't heard the conversation. But he was telling me about a
• 51:11
  the way that she was explaining something to him.
• 51:14
  You know, dangos daughter was explaining something to him
• 51:17
  about string theory. Huh, I'm like she's six.
• 51:22
  What does she know about String Theory?
• 51:24
  You know, and he goes, yeah, well she doesn't call it that
• 51:27
  she calls them love tubes or something like that.
• 51:31
  And I was like, are you freaking kidding me, bro.
• 51:33
  Like are you freaking kidding me right now?
• 51:35
  Like just get out here yet. This is a very, very I mean just
• 51:39
  and listening to her talk and sometimes I just I stop and I
• 51:42
  look at him and I go You know, you just smile shakes his head,
• 51:47
  he's like she's you know, the our little, you know, like the
• 51:51
  Bulova of old, you know, like even though like that was a very
• 51:54
  specific thing at the time and in The Villages there was, you
• 51:58
  know? But I mean hey she's got
• 52:01
  something about her man. Like, you know, give it.
• 52:03
  Give it time and give it the right amount of nurturing.
• 52:08
  The way she sees things. And then, you know, because a
• 52:10
  lot of times what happens is as we get older, we To lose touch
• 52:15
  with that side of ourselves, I think.
• 52:17
  Yeah. And I'm hoping that, you know,
• 52:19
  over the years you know, and she's she's been, she's been
• 52:22
  part of our tribe rituals. I mean she's as much part of the
• 52:27
  tribe as as you know another one of us, you know what I mean?
• 52:32
  Even though she's as young as she is, she's been there at
• 52:35
  ritual, you know, she's she has her little wand and stuff that
• 52:41
  Dingo made her carved out of Cedar and stuff.
• 52:44
  Is she whatever she's doing? You know, she's she's just
• 52:47
  standing there, holding it up to the sky or waving it around.
• 52:51
  It's like there's purpose behind what she's doing.
• 52:53
  She knows what that purpose is. You know, if I do it, I'm gonna
• 52:56
  look like an idiot because it's not the same.
• 52:59
  It doesn't mean the same thing. For me.
• 53:00
  It goes back to what we were talking about, the whole purpose
• 53:02
  thing. You know, there's purpose behind
• 53:04
  what she's doing, she knows what she's doing.
• 53:08
  And that's what matters, you know, what you're doing.
• 53:11
  You know what the purpose behind what you're doing is really, who
• 53:14
  cares what it looks like at the moment.
• 53:15
  It's it doesn't have to be understood to be appreciated.
• 53:19
  It's a lot like lyrics to, you know, high low.
• 53:22
  For example, is what they have like to do is send you a link to
• 53:26
  an amazing excellent video that it's titled, Highline ritual,
• 53:31
  their music. And, you know, I have my ways of
• 53:34
  explaining it but this video hands down, you know.
• 53:37
  Is Michael to, to explain how the people, you know, the real
• 53:42
  purpose and you know what, they really stand for.
• 53:45
  And yeah, yeah send it, send it to me because by the time this
• 53:49
  airs I'll have it. You know you guys let her listen
• 53:51
  and watch and stuff by the time this airs I'll put it down in
• 53:55
  the show notes description and stuff.
• 53:57
  Guys, check it out because um I mean I am not multilingual.
• 54:01
  I don't speak, you know, proto-germanic the stuff that a
• 54:05
  lot of the album's songs are Okin in sung.
• 54:07
  In, I know a little bit of German that's about it, you
• 54:11
  know, trying to learn more of the like Old Norse and Old
• 54:14
  English and some of the other Germanic languages.
• 54:17
  But like, yeah, I'm by no means a bilingual or multilingual
• 54:20
  person but the music, the words you Velma can understand a say.
• 54:25
  It's just the feeling that to be felt and that's one thing.
• 54:28
  I am I learned from that video as falls from the yarra, the
• 54:32
  group is a lot of. It's meant to be obscure.
• 54:36
  It's more. Designed to be felt and
• 54:38
  experienced rather than you know, quoted work forward.
• 54:43
  You know, it's really the immerse into it and you know,
• 54:46
  enveloped into the ritual. I'd like that too because I
• 54:52
  think you know, the more that we get into the literary works for
• 54:57
  the would be the sagas and the editors and and stuff, you know,
• 55:00
  like a lot of the things that you read The style of writing or
• 55:05
  the style of speaking, you know, poetry the Cadence of it.
• 55:10
  All some of the Kennings that were used right way different
• 55:15
  than, you know, poetry like other aliens.
• 55:19
  They just, you know, Shakespearean, poetry or any of
• 55:22
  the unlike other more popular ones and stuff.
• 55:24
  It's like, it just has a different feel to it.
• 55:27
  All has a different approach to it, not similar and then those
• 55:32
  ways. And like, I think, I think it's
• 55:33
  me, More to be felt then than anything else.
• 55:39
  I think there's there's, there's something to be said to that.
• 55:41
  They are the feeling behind it. All Exactly.
• 55:46
  But yeah, speaking of feeling Coming up after.
• 55:52
  So like after this is aired, coming into this coming weekend.
• 55:58
  I'm going to be on doing a camping trip.
• 55:59
  I was telling you a little bit about that offline and it's for
• 56:02
  the people that have listened and tune in to the podcast, over
• 56:05
  the last probably couple of months are probably gonna be
• 56:09
  like, oh yeah, finally. Because every time I talk about
• 56:12
  it on an episode next episode I come back on.
• 56:14
  I'm like yeah you know about that didn't work out but this is
• 56:19
  the this is the weekend this weekend is It's happened.
• 56:21
  And then after that I'll be heading out of town, out of
• 56:25
  state, meeting some people out in North Carolina.
• 56:31
  So for all of my North Carolina listeners and viewers and stuff.
• 56:36
  Be coming at you here in a, you know, you know, few days time
• 56:40
  really at this point, well, maybe meeting up with jme all
• 56:43
  listen, a couple other friends and, you know, it's mostly my
• 56:47
  wife's family that's out there. But yeah, talking about feeling
• 56:50
  this camping trip is going to be an interesting experience, has
• 56:55
  experience of all kinds of feelings.
• 56:58
  Not only in the physical sense because we're going to be
• 57:00
  literally, you know, sleeping outdoors, and it's going to be I
• 57:04
  think it in down into the freezing.
• 57:06
  Jurors at night, as of right now.
• 57:09
  If I'm looking at the forecast ahead, I think we're supposed to
• 57:12
  be, you know, only a highs in the 40s during the day and then
• 57:16
  lows below Thirty at night. So definitely feeling that.
• 57:22
  Then we're also going to be feeling a lot of other things to
• 57:25
  just, it's a spiritual camping trip.
• 57:30
  I'm really excited for you. Yeah well we're excited to I
• 57:33
  appreciate that. It's been something like I said
• 57:36
  that we've been trying to plan what we planned it several
• 57:39
  times. You know well we put a date you
• 57:42
  know the first date, I think the first date that we put to this
• 57:45
  whole thing like this is going back now.
• 57:46
  It's almost, you know, It's middle of November right now.
• 57:51
  Right. This are our initial plan was to
• 57:53
  do this back in September. And then it got moved to
• 57:58
  October. And now, here we are.
• 58:01
  So what they say, right? Third time's a charm.
• 58:04
  Yeah. And then even up to this point
• 58:08
  like we've been running into some, some things that was like
• 58:12
  potential roadblocks and we're like nope, lets you know, lope
• 58:16
  no more. Nope, none of that.
• 58:17
  None of this, you know, tomfoolery.
• 58:19
  Like no, no, no. We gotta we gotta see this
• 58:21
  through. We gotta, this is this is
• 58:23
  ordeal. This is this is a adversity, you
• 58:27
  know the thing that breeds worth you know, and I don't know man
• 58:33
  like With everything that's going on, you know, we talked
• 58:38
  early about the whole, you know, pandemic and the results of it
• 58:43
  and how much it's affected our lives.
• 58:45
  Like everybody that you talk to is either, experienced it
• 58:48
  themselves know, somebody who's experienced it, lost somebody do
• 58:53
  to it, you know, or due to complications of it.
• 58:56
  What not, you know, and getting away from the ridiculous
• 59:00
  political sides of it, just the humanity side of it, you know,
• 59:04
  going through stuff like this the way. we, you know, the world
• 59:07
  as it is right now and going through these experiences, man,
• 59:12
  it shapes you into More it Seasons, you the tempers you it
• 59:20
  it's like it you know, we're not we're not the same people that
• 59:22
  we were a year and a half ago by any means we were and and a lot
• 59:26
  of it has been due to the adversity and the ordeals that
• 59:31
  we've been given to to endure. And, you know, I'm sitting here
• 59:35
  talking with you again, you know, all these months later
• 59:38
  since the first episode. And, you know, all the years
• 59:41
  that you and I have stayed in touch online.
• 59:44
  I have yet to meet in person but you don't give it enough time.
• 59:47
  That'll happen again, you know, that will happen.
• 59:48
  One day I'm sure but absolutely where we were making it where
• 59:54
  we're surviving and everybody else listening and watching to,
• 59:59
  you know, you're all surviving and you're making it through in
• 1:00:01
  the ordeals that you're going through, you know, if you're
• 1:00:03
  listening to this and you're watching this.
• 1:00:06
  You're stronger now than you were before all that.
• 1:00:10
  It's what's helped shape you into the person that you are and
• 1:00:14
  never forget that and use those experiences to, you know, still
• 1:00:20
  feel right? You're still going to feel down,
• 1:00:22
  you're still going to have those days manage, you know.
• 1:00:25
  Things are just going to be real shitty some days.
• 1:00:28
  That's that's that's one thing that's not going to change.
• 1:00:30
  Like some days are just going to be.
• 1:00:33
  Just want it to be over. But it ain't over.
• 1:00:38
  You're still here, you still got things to do, we still got
• 1:00:41
  things to, to accomplish. We still have people's lives to
• 1:00:45
  touch. I think I couldn't agree more,
• 1:00:49
  you know, but so just keep it, keep up the good work, you know,
• 1:00:56
  I'm guys gals out there just keep doing what you do and then
• 1:01:01
  you know it's all right to feel it's okay to not be okay, you
• 1:01:04
  know, there's a been a lot of things you're going on lately in
• 1:01:08
  my life that just Make you put things into perspective, you
• 1:01:16
  know, it's not about the surface level stuff anymore, to me.
• 1:01:23
  And I think to a lot of us, you know, there's deeper meaning to
• 1:01:27
  life for all of us. And for a lot of us, at least, a
• 1:01:30
  lot of the people that I have regular exchanges in
• 1:01:34
  conversations and stuff with, so definitely I don't mean to
• 1:01:40
  interrupt again, I just stop. Please do I mean I tend to
• 1:01:43
  ramble on but that's what this is about, it's about rambling,
• 1:01:45
  Heather, it's something I saw personally is I'm sure a lot of
• 1:01:52
  us can relate to is, it is so very easy to get lost into the
• 1:01:58
  misfortunes and the setbacks and them the stripes.
• 1:02:02
  And the problems that we often lose sight of the things that
• 1:02:06
  keep us whole the things that bring us joy weather.
• 1:02:09
  The simplest things of food, we enjoy music.
• 1:02:11
  We listen to or the people we talked to, this is rather
• 1:02:16
  unfortunate. Sometimes if people who are
• 1:02:17
  around us all the time, we tend to just lose sight up unit, the
• 1:02:20
  right front of us as his psyche, something to this, it becomes,
• 1:02:26
  you know, superficial I guess. But um I did something I had to
• 1:02:31
  remind myself is this, you know, when it gets really chaotic and
• 1:02:35
  Troublesome I decide? Well, yeah I don't have this
• 1:02:38
  going on in my life. Life right now, this could be
• 1:02:40
  going better but you know what, you know I think back to when I
• 1:02:43
  first saw how long and Chicago and then in Colorado and just
• 1:02:49
  you know, me and the amazing people that I've had in between
• 1:02:52
  those events and being on this path.
• 1:02:55
  And just, you know, so many other things, you know.
• 1:02:59
  So sometimes I feel guilty for complaining, like, well, what do
• 1:03:02
  I have to complain about? I'm so healthy.
• 1:03:03
  I sold, you know, have a job. You know, I still have the
• 1:03:07
  amazing people in my life that Get me through these difficult
• 1:03:10
  times, but it's totally natural to, you know, lose sight of the
• 1:03:13
  things. It's just important to bring us
• 1:03:15
  back down to Our Roots again and then Branch out again to.
• 1:03:19
  He are respected destination and we're supposed to be.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, man. Because it's about the journey,
• 1:03:26
  you know, and it's about everything that you experience
• 1:03:28
  along the way. It's about, you know, when you
• 1:03:31
  say all over the seas, you're going to have them ups and
• 1:03:33
  downs. You're going to run into those
• 1:03:36
  storms. You know what, also makes you
• 1:03:39
  appreciate those bad times, make you appreciate those, good times
• 1:03:42
  all the more, you know, I'll just get growing appreciation
• 1:03:46
  for those things. It's kind of like, you know,
• 1:03:48
  people who have their favorites on how Seasons.
• 1:03:51
  It's like, oh man, I cannot stand this heat and once winter
• 1:03:56
  comes around and fall comes around, it's like, oh yes.
• 1:03:58
  Here we go, just like distance makes the heart grow, fonder
• 1:04:02
  kind of thing. I'm definitely one of those
• 1:04:06
  people too. By the way, I can't stand the
• 1:04:07
  heat. So all of this, like, cool
• 1:04:10
  weather coming on like that's it's my time to shine baby, you
• 1:04:15
  know? Like that's that's my jam but
• 1:04:17
  no, you know, you're right. Because you, you and, you know,
• 1:04:20
  we're getting into that time of year where you know the days are
• 1:04:24
  are shorter. The nights are colder.
• 1:04:27
  We look Inward and we can see that's retrospective.
• 1:04:31
  You know, we, we focus not so much about what we're doing
• 1:04:34
  around. On for with everyone else but
• 1:04:35
  now it's oh you know, what do we do to take care of our own and
• 1:04:39
  take care of our hearts and homes and stuff and that's you
• 1:04:41
  know a bit of a traditional approach to things because
• 1:04:44
  that's how our ancient ancestors did it in the in the these times
• 1:04:47
  a year. As you know once winter nights
• 1:04:49
  came around, it was you know, hunker down and try not to die.
• 1:04:54
  Exactly, you know, we have a lot more, you know, amenities
• 1:04:58
  nowadays, that help us do that. But the principle, I think the
• 1:05:02
  thoughts the the The fundamentals of it are still
• 1:05:07
  there. The lessons are there?
• 1:05:08
  Yeah, exactly. But yeah, man, this was, this
• 1:05:13
  was a lot of fun. I think, I think we'll go ahead
• 1:05:16
  and tie this one off for the, for the, for the episode, at
• 1:05:19
  least, you know, for sure because Yeah, man.
• 1:05:25
  I think I think that really helped a lot of people just on a
• 1:05:28
  get an experience and I think, you know, I think the next hilum
• 1:05:32
  date that comes around. I'm really going to try to Just
• 1:05:35
  bite the bullet and say owner, you know, foot lifts a year, two
• 1:05:38
  years, whatever in advance. And be like, I think I'm just
• 1:05:40
  going to get the damn tickets man.
• 1:05:41
  Just buy the damn tickets stands.
• 1:05:44
  It's definitely worth it. And, you know, each time I've
• 1:05:48
  gone it still weighs, its, you know, altered and help my lights
• 1:05:52
  and significantly. But, um, yeah, and I'm sure that
• 1:05:55
  whatever the one is that, you know, you'll figure out
• 1:05:58
  whichever one you're going to tell my, I'm gonna go that one.
• 1:06:00
  We're going to know me and Patrick.
• 1:06:01
  We're gonna rock out to Highland for a night or whatever.
• 1:06:04
  We're gonna Fabio, Is there in that?
• 1:06:06
  Yeah, that would be cool, man. Well, don't drop from the call
• 1:06:09
  here because I want to touch base with you.
• 1:06:10
  But for everybody else listen and watching you know check the
• 1:06:14
  show notes description area. You know the the how to he how
• 1:06:18
  to perform a basic Heathen ritual video on my channel.
• 1:06:20
  That will be annotated somewhere.
• 1:06:23
  It'll be in the show notes or the description.
• 1:06:25
  So if you're interested in want to see what we were talking
• 1:06:27
  about earlier, on this podcast, you want to check out that
• 1:06:29
  video, it'll be there for you and then you know, the last
• 1:06:35
  Podcast that I had with Patrick, that'll be down there too.
• 1:06:37
  So for everybody that's you know tuned in and join today's
• 1:06:42
  Premier. Thank you so much.
• 1:06:44
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• 1:06:46
  So like I said earlier, aside from it, being my birthday, my
• 1:06:50
  stupid birthday, the veterans, very all the, you know,
• 1:06:53
  servicemen and women out here that have, you know, made a
• 1:06:59
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• 1:07:05
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• 1:07:07
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• 1:07:09
  So don't forget to check the description or the show notes
• 1:07:12
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• 1:07:18
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• 1:07:22
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• 1:07:23
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• 1:07:27
  Thank you for taking time out of your night to come and grace us
• 1:07:30
  with your presence honor and pleasure.
• 1:07:33
  All right, guys. Well until we all talk Again,
• 1:07:36
  stay safe. Stay healthy and mayor horse
• 1:07:39
  fires. Always continue to burn bright.
• 1:07:42
  We'll see you next time.