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Derrick Todd Lee - Serial Killer Documentary · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: We weren't looking for someone with horns. We were looking
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Speaker 1: for someone who looked just like anyone else. And that's
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Speaker 1: what made it so difficult.
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Speaker 2: He rate to have it over south of Johnny. He
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Speaker 2: put a lot of fear in his area for a
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Speaker 2: long time.
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Speaker 1: The profilers felt like he would have a demeanor that
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Speaker 1: would be very unassuming.
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Speaker 3: The level of violence at some of these crime scenes,
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Speaker 3: it was just horrific.
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Speaker 4: I kept having a dream she was sending me a
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Speaker 4: message that said, Mama, come get me, Mama, come get me.
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Speaker 5: If he hadn't been caught, he would have continued to
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Speaker 5: kill until maybe somebody killed him in the process.
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Speaker 4: Murray as a child was a little ball of energy.
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Speaker 4: We always said our first words were I will not
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Speaker 4: and you can't make me instead of Mama and daddy.
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Speaker 4: But she was just a funny, little curly headed girl
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Speaker 4: and she just never stopped running when she was small,
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Speaker 4: and the older she got, the more she did more
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Speaker 4: of the same. She finished high school when she was sixteen,
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Speaker 4: college when she was twenty, and had her MBA by
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Speaker 4: twenty two.
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Speaker 5: She was maybe the youngest person to ever receive an MBA.
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Speaker 5: At LSU, she was starting her life. I mean, she
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Speaker 5: was vivacious and fun and beautiful.
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Speaker 4: Murray had accepted a job in Atlanta with Deloitte in two,
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Speaker 4: a top six accounting firm, for their internal audit department,
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Speaker 4: and that's what she wanted to do. She could hardly
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Speaker 4: wait to move to Atlanta and wanted to move that summer,
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Speaker 4: but her job did not start until the fall, so
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Speaker 4: she stayed in Baton Rouge working at LSU. The last
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Speaker 4: time she was with me at this house, she was
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Speaker 4: leaving and she turned to me and smiled and did
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Speaker 4: her cheek. Did like that because she never wanted you
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Speaker 4: to kiss her on the mouth because it would mess
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Speaker 4: up her lipstick. And I kissed her on the cheek,
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Speaker 4: and it was like I took a snapshot in my
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Speaker 4: mind and I just can immediately see her entirely. It
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Speaker 4: was just a moment that just stayed with me forever.
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Speaker 6: In May two thousand and two, Murray is getting ready
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Speaker 6: for a friend's wedding when there's a knock at the
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Speaker 6: door from a man she doesn't know.
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Speaker 5: Murray had been apparently sitting on the couch and there
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Speaker 5: was a plate of her lunch was still sitting on
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Speaker 5: the edge of the couch. What we surmise was that
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Speaker 5: the man came to the door and he talked his
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Speaker 5: way in, and then once he got in, he attacked her.
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Speaker 5: She was raped, and she fought back, and she fought
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Speaker 5: back really hot. Murray's case was so violent. In the end,
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Speaker 5: he stabbed her eighty one times.
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Speaker 4: I had asked to see the autopsy pictures and the
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Speaker 4: crime scene pictures, and I knew that was going to
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Speaker 4: be horrible, but I felt compelled. I felt like I
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Speaker 4: had to know what had happened to her. They had
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Speaker 4: asked us what color her hair was, and I thought
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Speaker 4: it was such an odd question, and then I could
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Speaker 4: see that it was because there had been so much
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Speaker 4: blood that that was all you could see. Another thing
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Speaker 4: I guess that always disturbed me was in the bathroom
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Speaker 4: where she must have tried to escape him. Were blood
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Speaker 4: drops that they could tell dropped straight down in front
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Speaker 4: of the mirror where they presume he held her to
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Speaker 4: show her what he had done to her, and then
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Speaker 4: he apparently tried to rape her while she died. You
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Speaker 4: can't help but think when did she know that no
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Speaker 4: help was coming and that she would die and that
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Speaker 4: this was the end of everything?
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Speaker 7: She doped.
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Speaker 5: Gina Green was forty one years old. She lived on
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Speaker 5: Stanford in a nice little house. She was a nurse,
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Speaker 5: had a lot of friends, was very social. She just
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Speaker 5: didn't show up to work one day and she was
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Speaker 5: found strangled in her bed. And there was a lot
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Speaker 5: of fear around that murder because it was so close
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Speaker 5: to campus.
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Speaker 8: Apparently, Gina Green felt.
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Speaker 5: That she was being watched before she was murdered and
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Speaker 5: had relayed that to her friends and I think some
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Speaker 5: family members, So that's what started at all.
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Speaker 4: Murray told me they thought it was someone who had
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Speaker 4: done some work around her home. It was suspected that
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Speaker 4: he was her murderer. I was very concerned because she
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Speaker 4: was by herself a lot going to and from places.
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Speaker 4: I had purchased a firearm on her behalf, but she
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Speaker 4: did not have it before she was murdered.
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Speaker 9: Similar patterns exist, but we're looking at it from years later,
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Speaker 9: from all the pieces being put into place. If you
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Speaker 9: have a person that's able to gain the confidence of
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Speaker 9: their victim, that throws off in office, so that throws
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Speaker 9: off an investigation to look for one type of person
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Speaker 9: versus the other.
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Speaker 4: We knew there was no one who even came close
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Speaker 4: to having any animus against her, but we thought she'd
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Speaker 4: been attacked by a stranger. I didn't think about Gina
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Speaker 4: Green at that time.
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Speaker 6: There had, in fact been another murder nearby between Gina's
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Speaker 6: and Murray's. Jerrelyn DeSoto was killed in Attis, ten miles
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Speaker 6: outside Baton Rouge.
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Speaker 9: The second murder is as rude to as the first murder.
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Speaker 9: You have a person that can sit back and look
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Speaker 9: at I was able to do the first I did
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Speaker 9: the second. I haven't been captured. I haven't been caught,
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Speaker 9: so therefore why not go further with the third.
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Speaker 6: Jerlyn's murder in Addis is investigated by a separate police
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Speaker 6: force to Gina's and Murray's. Neither teams are aware of
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Speaker 6: another similar case four years ago in nearby Zachary.
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Speaker 2: Randy We was a single mother who lived along over
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Speaker 2: there in Oakshadows and had a child there living with her.
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Speaker 5: The neighbor found her two year old son wandering around
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Speaker 5: outside by himself and knew that Randy would not have
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Speaker 5: let that happen and was concerned.
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Speaker 8: And when they called the police.
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Speaker 5: The police went in and she was gone, just absolutely gone.
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Speaker 2: We go in shot the house and there's blood all
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Speaker 2: over the house. We've seen blood in the bedroom where
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Speaker 2: it was a struggle in the bedroom. We've seen where
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Speaker 2: somebody appears have been drugged. Throughout the house, out to
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Speaker 2: the door. We found one of her contacts in the
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Speaker 2: ground there like where she'd been beaten some more in
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Speaker 2: the bloodstain.
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Speaker 6: Randy's body was never found and a killer never convicted.
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Speaker 6: Her husband was the prime suspect.
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Speaker 2: There was some violence inside the relationship. He felled a
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Speaker 2: polygraph when he felt a polygraph. I wasn't convinced. You know.
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Speaker 2: My thoughts were, why would he leave his child there?
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Speaker 2: As a father myself?
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Speaker 1: That bothered me a lot.
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Speaker 9: The police are looking at the person who last saw
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Speaker 9: you alive, so police are naturally going to go to
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Speaker 9: a husband, a spouse, a significant other first to identify
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Speaker 9: where were you at the time we believe this crime
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Speaker 9: takes place. There are enough cases in which that person
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Speaker 9: is the person has committed the act, but a broader
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Speaker 9: thinking must take place.
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Speaker 6: McDavid had another suspect in mind, a local peeping pallm
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Speaker 6: heat first encountered a year before Randy's murder, Derek Todd Lee,
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Speaker 6: and in.
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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety seven, one of our officers said, you know,
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Speaker 2: I've dealt with him a lot in the neighborhood where
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Speaker 2: he's hanging out by stop signs, has gloves in his hand,
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Speaker 2: had a knife in his pocket. He said he always
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Speaker 2: parked his vehicle across the street at the lounge and
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Speaker 2: he has a you know, kind of a cream colored
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Speaker 2: Chevrolet pickup with some type of painting on the back
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Speaker 2: of it.
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Speaker 3: There was kind of this just you know, minimization of
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Speaker 3: peeping and what that meant. This is a non contact
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Speaker 3: is what I used to hear all the time. This
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Speaker 3: is a non contact, you know, thing to worry about
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Speaker 3: without realizing that. You know, again, in some respects, it's
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Speaker 3: kind of a gateway. And that's you know, a significant
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Speaker 3: number of people who start out peeping will will escalate
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Speaker 3: or graduate to more serious offenses.
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Speaker 2: And I just told him, I said, I know what
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Speaker 2: you're doing. We don't get you soon or later. And
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Speaker 2: we put so much pressure on him here, we know,
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Speaker 2: with surveillance and looking at him, and he finally just
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Speaker 2: drifted off.
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Speaker 6: Has Derek todd Ley drifted away from being a suspected
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Speaker 6: peeping Tom and Zachary to commit murders around nearby Baton Rouge,
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Speaker 6: and will police be able to connect him to the
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Speaker 6: deaths of Gina Green, Jarlen de Soto, and Murray Pace
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Speaker 6: before another woman is killed. Gina Green, Jerlyn de Soto,
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Speaker 6: and Murray Pace have been brutally killed in their own homes.
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Speaker 6: The police forces investigating the crimes are yet to establish
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Speaker 6: a link or identify a suspect unknown to them. Four
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Speaker 6: years prior, in nearby Zachary, a young woman, Randy Mieber,
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Speaker 6: had finished. Police suspected a local peeping tom had been involved.
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Speaker 3: Derek Toddley his mom was very young when she had him.
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Speaker 3: She was seventeen. His dad seemed to have some very
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Speaker 3: difficult psychological problems as well as being violent, and he
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Speaker 3: was incarcerated after attempting to murder his ex wife.
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Speaker 6: Derek's i Q was calculated to be below seventy five.
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Speaker 3: There was almost equal parts nature and nurture. You know,
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Speaker 3: we have this person who is a relatively low functioning
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Speaker 3: person from an IQ standpoint. You know, he goes to school,
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Speaker 3: he's calling his teacher Mama. He's you know, developmently delayed.
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Speaker 3: He gets teased about this, and then I think you
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Speaker 3: have this abuse on top of that, and I think
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Speaker 3: that this rage he felt is something that has been
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Speaker 3: festering him for a long period of time.
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Speaker 6: Derek also grew up in a racially divided nineteen seventies Louisiana.
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Speaker 9: The United States has a history in which race is
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Speaker 9: a major part. That then creates in our mind a
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Speaker 9: framework of how we respond or interact with that person.
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Speaker 6: There was this town.
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Speaker 3: It seemed like that, even though some progress had been made,
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of segregation.
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Speaker 9: And if I am raised in a place in which
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Speaker 9: that line is drawn that these people are over here,
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Speaker 9: those people are over there, that becomes my own function
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Speaker 9: of life.
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Speaker 3: It becomes pretty clearly known that he has started abusing
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Speaker 3: animals at a relatively early age, and we know that
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Speaker 3: that is a huge red flag. Not everybody who becomes
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Speaker 3: a serial killer hurts animals, but there certainly is a
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Speaker 3: larger representation among individuals who are animals that going to
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Speaker 3: hurt people.
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Speaker 6: At age eleven, Derek was also caught peace being into
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Speaker 6: his neighbor's windows.
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Speaker 3: It was taken very lightly. Oh, he'll grow outgrow it.
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Speaker 3: Oh this is silly. You know. He likes to sneak
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Speaker 3: around as a joke. He likes to sneak around and
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Speaker 3: see other people. And we now know that varneurism can
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Speaker 3: be a gateway, you know, to some other pretty serious
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Speaker 3: sexual behaviors, because one of the things that suggests is
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Speaker 3: the development of a paraphilia or a kind of a
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Speaker 3: deviant sexual interest and going around and peeping in people's windows,
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Speaker 3: that is non consenting behavior that in and of itself
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Speaker 3: is a sexual fence. And I think at the time
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Speaker 3: we thought of that back then as again harmless. He
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Speaker 3: was arrested for peeping for I mean dozens and dozens
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Speaker 3: of times with no consequences whatsoever.
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Speaker 6: Eleven years after Derek Tudley was first arrested for peeping,
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Speaker 6: police are still trying to understand who killed Gina Green,
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Speaker 6: Jeraln DeSoto and Murray.
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Speaker 5: Apparently Gina Green felt that she was being watched, and
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Speaker 5: there were reports with Murray that there was somebody that
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Speaker 5: was watching outside the apartment as well.
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Speaker 4: We wondered if he had noticed Murray when he killed
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Speaker 4: Gina Green, because they lived on the same street and
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Speaker 4: not very far from each other.
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Speaker 2: I think he disavailed those on them where he watched
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Speaker 2: him and figured out their routines and saw what they
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Speaker 2: were doing.
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Speaker 6: Six weeks after the murder of Murray Pace, the police
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Speaker 6: have a breakthrough. DNA testing confirms that Gina's murder is
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Speaker 6: the same as Murray's. But Derek Toddley isn't a suspect.
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Speaker 3: He mystified law enforcement and there was a prevailing theory
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Speaker 3: at the time that serial killers were white, and.
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Speaker 9: There are reasons to follow this frame of mind. The
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Speaker 9: victims are white, and usually we find crime stays in
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Speaker 9: one's race. You put those together. Serial murders traditionally are
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Speaker 9: white persons. That you have the wrong person being searched for.
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Speaker 6: In this case, with no leads in their search for
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Speaker 6: the killer, the local police forces asked the FBI for help.
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Speaker 1: One of the resources that the state and local law
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Speaker 1: enforcement were really interested in was our profiling unit from Quantico.
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Speaker 1: They wanted them to weigh in and be able to
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Speaker 1: tell them what type of unknown offender we were looking for.
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Speaker 1: And so if we brought in the profilers and they
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Speaker 1: basically created a profile of an unknown offender. They did
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Speaker 1: that by reviewing the crime scenes extensively, talking to the
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Speaker 1: detectives that were looking for evidence of the offender's behavior
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Speaker 1: prior to the incident. During the actual crime, and also
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Speaker 1: any kind of post offense behavior they may have engaged
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Speaker 1: in to get away with the crime and things like that.
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Speaker 6: Behavioral Unit releases a criminal profile of Murray and Gina's murderer.
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Speaker 1: The profilers felt like the attacks were not what we
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Speaker 1: would classify as a blitz attack, which are surprise attacks.
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Speaker 1: The profilers felt like there would have to be some
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Speaker 1: type of interaction that occurred before these attacks actually occurred.
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Speaker 1: He would have a demeanor that would be very unassuming
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Speaker 1: and that would not trigger people to think that he
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Speaker 1: was suspicious in any way, shape or form until.
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Speaker 7: It was too late.
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Speaker 6: Profilers also surmised that the offender would be someone who
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Speaker 6: didn't take rejection, well.
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Speaker 3: Any hint of resistance. When he goes in and he
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Speaker 3: completely I think escalates and the level of violence as
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Speaker 3: some of these crime scenes was just horrific, clearly indicating
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Speaker 3: this wasn't just about sex. It was about power, rage, domination,
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Speaker 3: and control. There was so much violence associated with his
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Speaker 3: crimes that I think that rage completely took over him
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Speaker 3: when he was in no situations.
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Speaker 5: He thought he was going to easily rape Murray, and
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Speaker 5: then when she fought back, he couldn't take the rejection
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Speaker 5: or that's our theory, and then he just lost it
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Speaker 5: and stabbed her eighty one times.
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Speaker 1: The profilers felt like this unknown offender was following the
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Speaker 1: investigation in the media, and any significant releases in the
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Speaker 1: media they felt like would cause him a great degree
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Speaker 1: of distress and or anger.
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Speaker 9: You can imagine for several months he's thinking, Hm, I'm
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Speaker 9: not hearing about that they're looking for someone with my characteristics. Wow,
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Speaker 9: this could give someone a pass to say I can
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Speaker 9: do more criminal activity.
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Speaker 3: He would have been aware that people were hearing about
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Speaker 3: a repeat offender in the community. But I also feel
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Speaker 3: like there was this compulsive nature in him that was very,
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Speaker 3: very strong and that overrode any real sense of danger.
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Speaker 9: Now, it's very interesting, even though these warning signs by
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Speaker 9: the police and public safety are saying that this person
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Speaker 9: is out there, that he stays relatively in the same area.
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Speaker 9: This again is a factor of maybe there was something
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Speaker 9: very much rooted in his place where he grew up,
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Speaker 9: his environment where he grew up, and wanting to do
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Speaker 9: something about this rage or these feelings that he has
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Speaker 9: in his mind has him stay in this area to
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Speaker 9: continue to commit these crimes.
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Speaker 6: The day after the DNA breakthrough, the killer appears to
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Speaker 6: strike again. This time the victim survives.
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Speaker 5: Diane Alexander was a nurse that lived in Brobridge and
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Speaker 5: she was in the house and somebody knocked at the door,
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Speaker 5: and he asked if she knew someone, and he gave
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Speaker 5: her a name.
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Speaker 8: She said, no, I don't know him.
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Speaker 5: He said, well, ask your husband, and she said, well,
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not married, and that's when he flipped.
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Speaker 8: That's when he pushed his way in the door.
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Speaker 5: He took a phone cord and cut part of it
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Speaker 5: and was about to strangle her with the phone cord
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Speaker 5: when he heard her son driving up the gravel road,
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Speaker 5: and when that happened, he took off.
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Speaker 1: The profilers felt like this unown offender had a great
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Speaker 1: deal of impulsivity, which is essentially not caring about the
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Speaker 1: outcomes of their action. The need is so great they
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Speaker 1: don't care about what happens afterwards, and based upon that,
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Speaker 1: they felt like his impulsivity would have made him come
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Speaker 1: into contact with law enforcement at some point prior, including
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Speaker 1: various things with breaking and entering and also potentially peeping
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Speaker 1: in things like that.
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Speaker 6: Diane Alexander worked with the police to generate a sketch
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Speaker 6: of the suspect. This time, the suspect bears a resemblance
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Speaker 6: to Derek Toddley, but todd Lee is unknown to local police.
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Speaker 6: Three days later, a fifth woman is murdered, Pam Kinnemore.
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Speaker 5: Pam was forty four years old, again like all of
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Speaker 5: these women, beautiful, successful, independent women. She lived out on
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Speaker 5: Briarwood and Baton Rouge. That night she was home alone.
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Speaker 5: The bathwater was run and she she had everything laid
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Speaker 5: out for a bath and so I don't know if
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Speaker 5: she had been in it or was about to when
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Speaker 5: he came in and she was just gone. The only
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Speaker 5: thing that was left behind was some blood spots, particularly
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Speaker 5: on a living room rug.
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Speaker 6: Her body was later found dumped in Marshland under an
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Speaker 6: interstate thirty five miles from Baton Rouge.
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Speaker 5: She had been left for three days in the hot
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Speaker 5: Louisiana sun, so she had decomposed somewhat, but there was
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Speaker 5: still DNA on her body.
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Speaker 8: He had raped her and the DNA was there.
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Speaker 5: When the DNA that was on the first two victims
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Speaker 5: matched the DNA that was on Pam.
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Speaker 6: It just changed everything.
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Speaker 8: We had a serial killer.
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Speaker 4: It opened the door to a world. It's a hot
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Speaker 4: or darker, sharper edge place than you ever imagine the
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Speaker 4: world to be. Is never ever the same.
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Speaker 6: Pam Kinnemore's decomposing body has been found. Police quickly have
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Speaker 6: a breakthrough. A truck driver claims he'd seen a naked
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Speaker 6: woman in the passenger seat of a white pickup truck
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Speaker 6: on the day Pam Kinnemore was abducted. He believes the
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Speaker 6: pickup was being driven by a white male, and.
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Speaker 8: So that just stuck. That just that became the number
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Speaker 8: one suspect.
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Speaker 5: You know, that was the description that everyone will looked
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Speaker 5: for for a very long time.
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Speaker 3: I think they had in their mind who this person is,
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Speaker 3: and unfortunately, I think that clouded their judgment and caused
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Speaker 3: them to ignore, you know, some of the clues that
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Speaker 3: were there.
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Speaker 4: I remember hearing on the news that there was one
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Speaker 4: man who wrote I am not the serial killer on
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Speaker 4: the side of his white truck. That was the clue
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Speaker 4: to nowhere, Absolutely the clue to nowhere. But confusion.
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Speaker 5: Everybody was talking about it all the time, and people
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Speaker 5: were taking self defense classes. They were, you know, they
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Speaker 5: were learning how to shoot guns, making sure they had mace.
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Speaker 8: Everybody was taking extraordinary measures.
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Speaker 6: And for good reason. With Pam Kinnimore's murder, the killer
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Speaker 6: had upped the ante.
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Speaker 5: That's when he started actually removing people, removing the women
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Speaker 5: before killing them. He's picking different women in different jurisdictions,
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Speaker 5: He's killing them in different ways.
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Speaker 8: So how do you search for somebody like that?
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Speaker 5: How do you know when the next where he's going
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Speaker 5: to hit next, and how he's going to hit next.
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Speaker 6: The eyewitness report means police are focusing their search on
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Speaker 6: a white suspect. Another factor is how the victim seemed
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Speaker 6: willing to open the door to their killer.
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Speaker 9: I think it's a demeanor. I think it's a presentation
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Speaker 9: that allows to put people at comfort levels that allow
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Speaker 9: them to allow guards to go down a step or
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Speaker 9: two and move forward. But I think opportunity applied with
25:17
Speaker 9: his charm coming together, his looks coming together, his youthfulness
25:23
Speaker 9: at the time coming together, that make for these crimes
25:26
Speaker 9: to take place.
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Speaker 1: That's what made it so difficult. We were not looking
25:31
Speaker 1: for someone that had some kind of massive deformity that
25:34
Speaker 1: looked like a demon or a vampire. We're looking for
25:37
Speaker 1: someone who's part of society. The profile mentions that there's
25:41
Speaker 1: a good chance that he would live with other people,
25:45
Speaker 1: potentially a pair of more. In that respect, his life
25:48
Speaker 1: could be more or less normal from the outside, but.
25:54
Speaker 6: On the inside, Derek Toddley's life is anything but normal.
25:59
Speaker 6: His wife, mister, and sister have all filed charges of
26:02
Speaker 6: domestic violence and battery against him. So far, every victim
26:08
Speaker 6: of the Baton Rouge serial killer has been white. Until
26:14
Speaker 6: November twenty one, two thousand and two.
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Speaker 5: Trenisia Denay Colombe had recently lost her mother and was
26:25
Speaker 5: grief stricken. She visited her mother's grave every day and
26:32
Speaker 5: she was.
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Speaker 8: Out there alone.
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Speaker 5: A hunter found her just discarded in the brush. She
26:40
Speaker 5: had been beaten badly about her face and again she.
26:47
Speaker 8: Was raped as well.
26:52
Speaker 6: For David McDavid, Dnay's murder gives him another reason to
26:56
Speaker 6: suspect Derek Toddley. He remembers a rainy night in nineteen
27:00
Speaker 6: ninety three when two kids were attacked in a graveyard
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Speaker 6: in Zachary.
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Speaker 2: There was a thing around Zachary go in the graveyard
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Speaker 2: make out so and they were doing that in the
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Speaker 2: graveyard and suspect come across from the area of the
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Speaker 2: sub event into the graveyard. Had a big old cane
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Speaker 2: blade on it and saw them in the car and
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Speaker 2: began hacking them over with the cane blade. Luckily, one
27:23
Speaker 2: of our police officers saw the dome light on the
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Speaker 2: car and drove in there and he ran off to
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Speaker 2: the north.
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Speaker 6: Both victims survived and worked with police.
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Speaker 7: To generate a sketch of the assailant's.
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Speaker 2: Been known us these statue of limitations. I ran out
27:58
Speaker 2: on that case when we went to get to Warren's
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Speaker 2: and I was denied on that case.
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Speaker 6: But the police investigating the murders of Gina Jerrelyn, Murray, Pam,
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Speaker 6: and Trey Niesha are not aware of this historic case
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Speaker 6: in Zachary.
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Speaker 2: I think he was just elusive. Nobody knew really what
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Speaker 2: was going on, you know. That's so something I learned
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Speaker 2: throughout the case was, you know, try to have open
28:22
Speaker 2: mind and work together because you never know who holds
28:25
Speaker 2: that piece of pie. I think the problem was we
28:27
Speaker 2: wouldn't really share an information like we should.
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Speaker 6: With five murdered women. A task force of local, state,
28:35
Speaker 6: and federal agencies continue their desperate search. Over twenty thousand
28:41
Speaker 6: tips are pouring in, over one thousand men are swabbed.
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Speaker 6: Everyone in Louisiana is on the lookout for an elusive
28:49
Speaker 6: white killer in a white truck.
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Speaker 2: You had people calling in tips. There were asked you
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Speaker 2: calling tips either abusive boyfriend who drove a white truck
28:57
Speaker 2: or men who might have been of some kind of
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Speaker 2: violence or domestic violence cases involving females in that and
29:04
Speaker 2: it was a wide net.
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Speaker 9: This is where police work is essential. The human element
29:10
Speaker 9: has to be involved in deciding how many of these
29:13
Speaker 9: leads are you going to look into. With that attention,
29:16
Speaker 9: you gain the ability to solve this crime, but you
29:19
Speaker 9: also gained the difficulty of separating the good from the
29:24
Speaker 9: bad related to the case.
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Speaker 8: Oh, it went on forever.
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Speaker 5: Every friday we thought we had our guy was like, Okay,
29:31
Speaker 5: this guy drives a wide pickup truck. He's got a
29:34
Speaker 5: bad history of domestic violence.
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Speaker 6: Or this or that. His behavior is very.
29:39
Speaker 5: Strange, and the people around him think he's the serial killer.
29:42
Speaker 5: And then there would be, you know, somebody else would
29:45
Speaker 5: be killed, and it was just it was horrendous.
29:56
Speaker 1: Sometime in probably the late winter early spring of two
30:01
Speaker 1: thousand and three, we had a meeting with members from
30:05
Speaker 1: the Acadiana Crime Lab and they told us about a
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Speaker 1: company in Florida that told them they could take a
30:12
Speaker 1: DNA sample and determine essentially the racial or geographic region
30:17
Speaker 1: where they came from. That would help with the determining race.
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Speaker 6: It's cutting edge science, but as yet to be fully vetted.
30:24
Speaker 1: We ended up making a decision. We obtained samples from
30:28
Speaker 1: various members of the task force, various investigators, and we
30:32
Speaker 1: sent those blind samples, unmarked samples down to the company
30:36
Speaker 1: and after a short time, they came back and they
30:40
Speaker 1: nailed every single person we had sent them with regard
30:43
Speaker 1: to their potential racial characteristics.
30:45
Speaker 6: The lab was then sent the DNA of the unknown killer.
30:49
Speaker 6: They identified him as African American.
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Speaker 1: I was surprised, but only for a short time. It
30:56
Speaker 1: basically gave an explanation to me as to why all
31:00
Speaker 1: the people and all the leads we've been following up
31:02
Speaker 1: on or really not coming to anything, because most of
31:05
Speaker 1: those were for Caucasian males.
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Speaker 9: He probably does take a moment of pause to say, Okay,
31:13
Speaker 9: something is happening with this case, that's moving this case
31:16
Speaker 9: closer to me, But I still have this urge inside
31:20
Speaker 9: of me to do these criminal activities. And so he
31:23
Speaker 9: has to decide and he keeps going with this here.
31:26
Speaker 9: So that's where we have to believe that the urge
31:29
Speaker 9: is stronger than rationale.
31:39
Speaker 6: After a year and a half long killing spree, the
31:42
Speaker 6: FBI are closing in on their prime suspect, Cutting edge
31:46
Speaker 6: DNA testing has confirmed the suspect as African American, and
31:51
Speaker 6: David McDavid is raising his suspicions about Derek Toddley, the
31:55
Speaker 6: suspected graveyard attacker and Peeping Tom who vanished from near
32:00
Speaker 6: by Zachary a few years before the murders.
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Speaker 2: We went back and looked at some of the cases
32:05
Speaker 2: that he was involved in. If you go back and look,
32:08
Speaker 2: there was a burglery across the street in nineteen ninety two.
32:11
Speaker 2: The homeowner came home and called him in the house
32:13
Speaker 2: and asked him what he was doing there. He claimed
32:15
Speaker 2: he was looking for somebody. And in nineteen ninety three
32:18
Speaker 2: case of the two kids in the graveyard come up,
32:21
Speaker 2: about his seventh the peep and Domond in the neighborhood,
32:24
Speaker 2: and the nineteen ninety eight we had the murder of
32:26
Speaker 2: Randy Meieber. So that kind of told us then that,
32:30
Speaker 2: you know, Derek Tyley was our guy.
32:31
Speaker 6: We were looking at him disturbing details soon come to
32:34
Speaker 6: light about his life.
32:36
Speaker 3: One of the things we start seeing among people who
32:40
Speaker 3: become serial killers later is in adolescence, what we call
32:44
Speaker 3: this adolescent hypersexuality. It means there becomes this compulsive nature
32:50
Speaker 3: to their sexuality. It becomes a coping mechanism for them,
32:54
Speaker 3: It becomes a drive for them. So it's almost like
32:57
Speaker 3: it takes a life of his own, and that person
33:00
Speaker 3: feels a need to go out and peep or do
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Speaker 3: whatever things, particularly when they're under stress or they have
33:08
Speaker 3: some kind of problem in their environment. And we do
33:10
Speaker 3: know that that Derek Todd Lee oftentimes there was a
33:14
Speaker 3: pretty short period of time between him getting fired for jobs,
33:18
Speaker 3: for example, or having arguments and there being these these murders.
33:45
Speaker 6: With the net closing, Another woman is murdered. Carrie Yoder
33:58
Speaker 6: was an l student.
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Speaker 5: She was actually getting her PhD and I think in
34:04
Speaker 5: marine biology. She lived in a little house close to campus.
34:11
Speaker 5: I believe she just unloaded groceries and brought her groceries in,
34:14
Speaker 5: and I don't know if he followed her in or
34:16
Speaker 5: somehow got into her house and.
34:17
Speaker 8: Took her again. She just disappeared. They found her body
34:24
Speaker 8: like ten days later. Again by Whiskey Bay.
34:32
Speaker 6: Another month passes, then on May fifth, police obtain a
34:36
Speaker 6: court order to swab Derek todd Lee for DNA.
34:40
Speaker 1: I believe Derek todd Lee's biggest mistake was leaving his
34:45
Speaker 1: DNA at the crime scenes. Maybe he didn't know much
34:49
Speaker 1: about it, He wasn't sophisticated enough to know about it.
34:53
Speaker 2: Well, what happened was is we got our DNA. We
34:56
Speaker 2: know we'd get got a sign by He asked me
34:59
Speaker 2: and another officer to do the vailance on his house
35:00
Speaker 2: and Derek Tylly was back and forth, He's running around
35:02
Speaker 2: down We finally called him back at the house and
35:06
Speaker 2: they brought him inside. Look we got you saphena, showed
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Speaker 2: it to him, got h swabbed and you know, we
35:12
Speaker 2: submitted it to the crime lab.
35:16
Speaker 6: With the DNA sample taken. McDavid has to wait for
35:19
Speaker 6: days to find out if Derek Toddley is the killer.
35:26
Speaker 2: Think it was on a Sunday I just got through
35:28
Speaker 2: cutting grass at my house and got a call from
35:30
Speaker 2: the Task Force said, look, we need you down here. Well,
35:33
Speaker 2: what's going on? Well, we'll tell you when you get
35:34
Speaker 2: down him.
35:36
Speaker 1: I received a call, I believe on a Sunday afternoon,
35:39
Speaker 1: UH from the command post, and I was told that
35:43
Speaker 1: the Louisiana State Police Crime Lab had matched a swab
35:47
Speaker 1: with our unknown offender's DNA profile.
35:51
Speaker 2: When I walked in, you had all these dignitaries here,
35:53
Speaker 2: bunch investigators there, high ranking officials, and they said, well,
35:57
Speaker 2: the all DNA just sobbed the Silver Killer case, which
36:01
Speaker 2: was a big relief.
36:03
Speaker 1: When I heard that there had been a match, I
36:05
Speaker 1: was elated, but I also understood that there was more
36:08
Speaker 1: work to do, and that was locating him and placing
36:11
Speaker 1: him under arrest.
36:12
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I said, y'all a got to catch him.
36:14
Speaker 2: If he knows that you are after ing, which he
36:16
Speaker 2: probably does, I said, he's about he's struggling, he's about
36:19
Speaker 2: to kill again.
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Speaker 1: I spent that evening dictating an affidavit for a fugitive
36:24
Speaker 1: arrest warrant, and that was based on the fact that
36:26
Speaker 1: we had probable cause that he had fled from Louisiana
36:28
Speaker 1: to avoid being prosecuted for these crimes.
36:32
Speaker 6: Jeff's fears were correct. Derek Toddley tries to evade arrest.
36:39
Speaker 1: My biggest concern after we realized that he had fled
36:42
Speaker 1: the state of Louisiana is that he may have killed
36:45
Speaker 1: someone else in another state. The time factor was still
36:49
Speaker 1: there because now I knew he was on the run,
36:54
Speaker 1: knowing that we were going to eventually find out, and
36:56
Speaker 1: it was a whole matter of him trying to stay
36:58
Speaker 1: away from us as much as he possibly could.
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Speaker 2: They asked us to come on board help try to
37:04
Speaker 2: track him down. Once of Chicago came back and went
37:08
Speaker 2: to Atlanta, was setting up an apartment over there. To me,
37:11
Speaker 2: the heat was on him here, so he had to
37:12
Speaker 2: go somewhere else. He was about to, you know, start
37:14
Speaker 2: killing it again. I had heard that, you know, he'd
37:21
Speaker 2: been arrested. If I heard it on the news or
37:23
Speaker 2: I got a phone call, I was relieved.
37:26
Speaker 1: We were all a lady when we found out that
37:28
Speaker 1: Derek Tiddley had been arrested in Atlanta, and we knew
37:32
Speaker 1: that it be come hell or high water, he was
37:33
Speaker 1: going to be coming back to Louisiana to face justice
37:35
Speaker 1: for what he had done.
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Speaker 4: I was so shocked that he looked so ordinary. Do
37:42
Speaker 4: you'd think someone who could do that kind of thing
37:46
Speaker 4: would be marked in some way, you know, it would
37:51
Speaker 4: have some sort of scarlet letter that would identify them,
37:55
Speaker 4: but no, they don't. They don't at all.
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Speaker 6: In custody, Derrick Toddley doesn't confess to his crimes or
38:08
Speaker 6: explain how he chose his victims. Police plan to try
38:12
Speaker 6: him separately for each of the seven murders.
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Speaker 3: I think that the police were willing to try him
38:18
Speaker 3: for every single of those seven until they got the
38:20
Speaker 3: death penalty.
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Speaker 5: The benefit of going with one case is that if
38:25
Speaker 5: something goes wrong, this monster is never going to be
38:28
Speaker 5: on the street again, because we'll indict the next one,
38:30
Speaker 5: and then we'll indict the next one. We will always
38:32
Speaker 5: have a safety net.
38:36
Speaker 6: Todd Lee first faces trial for the murder of Jerlynd
38:38
Speaker 6: de Soto.
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Speaker 5: The charge in Jerlynd De Soto's case was second gree
38:44
Speaker 5: murder and he was found guilty as charged.
38:47
Speaker 6: He receives a life sentence. The trial for the murder
38:51
Speaker 6: of Charlotte Murray Pace is next.
38:54
Speaker 5: The trial was long, it was I think five weeks.
38:58
Speaker 8: The physical evidence was strong. Evidence was really strong, and
39:03
Speaker 8: the jury didn't have a problem with it.
39:04
Speaker 5: They came back quickly with a verdict of guilty, and
39:07
Speaker 5: then we did the penalty phase and they found that
39:11
Speaker 5: the appropriate penalty was the death penalty. He never confessed,
39:15
Speaker 5: he never showed a bit of remorse. He was just
39:20
Speaker 5: just kind of like a blank slate over there.
39:23
Speaker 4: I remember saying, well, we finally come to the end
39:26
Speaker 4: of it, and I remember thinking, we just the gun
39:31
Speaker 4: that had just that was nowhere near the end. In
39:36
Speaker 4: a way, we were as imprisoned as he was.
39:40
Speaker 6: But on January twenty first, twenty sixteen, the case meets
39:44
Speaker 6: its ultimate end. Derek Toddley dies of heart disease.
39:49
Speaker 5: So the victims are just left with this open wound
39:54
Speaker 5: and being stuck in this perpetual, incomplete hell.
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Speaker 4: It was almost like you couldn't almost as much as
40:04
Speaker 4: you couldn't imagine the murders, you couldn't imagine that he
40:10
Speaker 4: had died. You know, he lives his life to the
40:14
Speaker 4: end and he never faces the executioner.
40:19
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I tell everybody. The real true
40:23
Speaker 2: judge has got him now, and he got judged by God,
40:26
Speaker 2: and that's who ultimately made the sentence for him. I
40:30
Speaker 2: think he's in hell, to be honest with you. You
40:33
Speaker 2: know what he did and how he did it was
40:35
Speaker 2: just truly violent.
40:37
Speaker 5: He killed a total of seven victims that we can
40:41
Speaker 5: prove through DNA. Before this happened, I didn't worry if
40:55
Speaker 5: my back door locked.
40:56
Speaker 8: I felt safe in Baton Rouge. I felt secure.
41:02
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, that safe feeling is gone.
41:05
Speaker 5: So I think that that was taken away by Derreck Toddley,
41:08
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know that it ever returns.
41:13
Speaker 4: I haven't slept in a bed in twenty years. I
41:17
Speaker 4: kept coming home and got in the bed that used
41:20
Speaker 4: to be her bed, and I kept having a dream
41:26
Speaker 4: that she was on the autopsy table, covered with a sheet,
41:31
Speaker 4: and of course she couldn't move or anything, but somehow
41:36
Speaker 4: she was sending me a message that said, Mama, come
41:40
Speaker 4: get me.
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Speaker 6: Mama, come get me.
41:43
Speaker 4: And I couldn't sleep in there anymore. So I sleep
41:49
Speaker 4: on the sofa with the TV on, so I don't
41:53
Speaker 4: ever wake up in the dark without a voice somewhere.
42:01
Speaker 4: Murder challenges everything you ever thought, you believed, every assumption
42:06
Speaker 4: you ever had. It is an almost unsurvivable loss.
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Speaker 7: You would you