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Dad Desperate to Find Son After Clues Emerge in Deserted Ravine · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. How does a young man
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Speaker 1: vanish off the face of the earth? How does that happen?
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Speaker 1: No record, no signings, nothing, He's just gone. When I
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Speaker 1: say a young man, I'm talking about twenty five year
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Speaker 1: old Daniel Robinson. He is the apple of his parents.
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Speaker 1: I a young geologist, music lover, good looking, great grades,
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Speaker 1: low works. So why can't we find Daniel? I mean,
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Speaker 1: see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Series XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: kpn X. This video of twenty four year old Daniel
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Speaker 1: Robinson is quickly spreading on TikTok. The nicest guys you'll
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Speaker 1: ever meet. His family and friends desperately hoping for his return.
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Speaker 1: His older brother is asking for your help all the
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Speaker 1: way from South Carolina, which has been really hard, just
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Speaker 1: trying to keep going throughout the day. Daniel was last
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Speaker 1: seen last Wednesday, June twenty third, leaving his job site
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Speaker 1: near Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road in Buckeye in
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Speaker 1: this gray Jeep renegade. It's not really a whole lot
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Speaker 1: that we know around it. Daniel was working his first
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Speaker 1: job out of college here coming from South Carolina to
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Speaker 1: make a living. Wow, so his first job out since
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Speaker 1: becoming a geologist, coming from South Carolina to try to
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Speaker 1: make it as a geologist. So what happened to him?
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Speaker 1: With us? His father to tell us the very lettis
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Speaker 1: David Robinson joining us and you can find him at
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Speaker 1: Please Help Find Daniel dot com. Let me just tell
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Speaker 1: you there is a gofund me and his dad, David
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Speaker 1: Robinson is using the gofund me money to fund his
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Speaker 1: own investigation and the desperate search for his boy, his son,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Robinson twenty five years old? What happened to him?
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Speaker 1: How do you just disappear? David Robinson? Sir, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Tell me when you
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Speaker 1: first realized your son just hadn't called in a couple
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Speaker 1: of days, that he was truly missing. Yes, On the
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Speaker 1: twenty third, d get a call from my daughter. She
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Speaker 1: also did a out in Phoenix at the time, and
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Speaker 1: she did called because of one of the co workers
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Speaker 1: from his job came by her apartment looking for Daniel.
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Speaker 1: One of Daniel's friends from the job. That was really
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Speaker 1: troubling to her. Of course, my daughter first things, one
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Speaker 1: booth called me, and once I her that news, I
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Speaker 1: told her to go check his apartment, you know, make
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Speaker 1: sure he wasn't there. In the meantime, I was making
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Speaker 1: phone calls. We're getting in the phone calls any answers
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Speaker 1: from his phone. That wasn't so bad to me at
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Speaker 1: the time. They try to talk with friends through all
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Speaker 1: my due diligence. But I noticed that from the time,
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Speaker 1: and I got information that they said my son's last
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Speaker 1: scene at nine o'clock that morning here in Arizona, and
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Speaker 1: I look at the time different in South Carolina. I
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Speaker 1: think that was over six hours. That's when I got
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Speaker 1: worried about a companion. Would never ever go that long
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Speaker 1: without telling his siblings or my family, everybody if he
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Speaker 1: had any travel plans or things like that. So you know,
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Speaker 1: that was that was my first indication that something's wrong. Well,
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Speaker 1: let me understand something with me. Is Daniel's father. This
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Speaker 1: is David Robinson, and you can find him at Please
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Speaker 1: Help Find Daniel dot com. So he left from South
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Speaker 1: Carolina to go to Arizona that day. Is that way
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Speaker 1: you're telling me? Well, after I did talked to the
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Speaker 1: buck Out Police Department, who was in charge at that time,
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Speaker 1: and they say they weren't going to do a search
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Speaker 1: that night because that day as my son missing, because
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Speaker 1: his night and this morning they told me to have
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Speaker 1: a flight out there, helicopter search that desert for my son.
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Speaker 1: Once that time came, I did end up getting a
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Speaker 1: call the second call from the also saying that he's
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Speaker 1: hired up. Said that they wanted not David to go
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Speaker 1: out there because he's a grown man. If he wanted disappear,
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Speaker 1: he can. That's when the indication for me to know
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Speaker 1: that the police partner was going to do anything at
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Speaker 1: that point, So grab everything, kind of lost my sense
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Speaker 1: of thought, grab everything i can, hopping my vehicle, start
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Speaker 1: hiding with I'm just thinking about mister Robinson trying to
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Speaker 1: get to his son, that drive to reach him, to
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Speaker 1: try to help him. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at KP and X twelve. David Robinson had only one
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Speaker 1: thought on his mind as he drove the nearly eighteen
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Speaker 1: hundred miles from his South Carolina home to Phoenix. I
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Speaker 1: had to find my son, his twenty four year old son, Daniel,
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Speaker 1: missing since June twenty third, trying to make calls as
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Speaker 1: I'm driving. I just had hopes that by the time
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Speaker 1: I got here, Salting would turn up and I would
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Speaker 1: see my son. I get to put moms around them
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Speaker 1: and talk to him and try to find out what
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Speaker 1: was going on. Fuck Eye. Police say Daniel was last
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Speaker 1: scene driving a blue twenty seventeen Jeep Renegade away from
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Speaker 1: his work site your Sun Valley Parkway and Cactus Road.
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Speaker 1: The area of his last scene is a desert, so
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Speaker 1: you got to be prepared for that. You have to
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Speaker 1: get water, you have to get certain things to be
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Speaker 1: just quite there to look. You know, David Robinson, this
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Speaker 1: is Daniel's father. It reminds me I just got in
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Speaker 1: the twins back home to our apartment in New York
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Speaker 1: and had giving them their basket, got them in their pj's,
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Speaker 1: when I got a call that they were going to
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Speaker 1: put my dad on life support, and the race to
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Speaker 1: get them dressed, packed out on the street at midnight,
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Speaker 1: trying to helicab to somehow get home those hours, those
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Speaker 1: hours and the interim trying to get to him was like,
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Speaker 1: well it was like pure hell. What was going through
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Speaker 1: your mind as you were driving all the way out
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Speaker 1: to Arizona. Well, yeah, it was it was very hard trip,
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Speaker 1: of course, Uh yeah, definitely stayed on constantly with the
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Speaker 1: Buckeye Police Apartment, trying to get all the information I
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Speaker 1: can get, as well as Daniel's work, his job laitious
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Speaker 1: new world. I just wanted to make sure I get
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Speaker 1: all the information I can select. That trip was taken
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Speaker 1: longer than I wanted. You know, I couldn't get there
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Speaker 1: fast enough. You know, just want to know, zacly what
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Speaker 1: happened to my son. If I anybody was gonna go
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Speaker 1: out there before I get there, they go search for them,
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Speaker 1: things like that. So it was an anxious moment for me.
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Speaker 1: And take a listen to Jess Winters at kp n X.
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Speaker 1: The twenty four year old geologist was last seen leaving
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Speaker 1: his work site in Buckeye on June twenty third. Since then,
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Speaker 1: David feels as though he's had to wear two hats
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Speaker 1: Dad and detective, leading weekly search parties and pressing police
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Speaker 1: for a more thorough invest instigation like fingerprinting Daniel's jeep,
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Speaker 1: as how can they be sure that my son was
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Speaker 1: driving a vehicle without doing for res's work. The reply
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Speaker 1: was that it was my son's vehicle. It is obvious,
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Speaker 1: he was driving. He also points to what he calls
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Speaker 1: concerning conversations like a detective suggesting his son wanted to vanish,
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Speaker 1: but maybe he wanted to be away from his family
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Speaker 1: to join a monastery and become a monk. David Robinson,
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Speaker 1: this is Daniel's father. They actually cops actually told you
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Speaker 1: maybe your son, Daniel wanted to become a monk. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's really really really bad. Yeah, you know
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Speaker 1: is at the time when it also showed me my
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Speaker 1: son's vehicle. Um, it was said a compound at this
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Speaker 1: facility and before I sold a vehicle. Mind you, this
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Speaker 1: is the first time I see my son's vehicle ever.
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Speaker 1: We did have plans, told myself my daughters, we're here
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Speaker 1: in Tenis to see that falle for the first time,
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Speaker 1: but I am not saying it the way I have
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Speaker 1: to see it. But before he shold it to me,
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Speaker 1: he did mention that to me. Hey, he told me
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Speaker 1: about a story that a family thought one of the
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Speaker 1: family members missing. Turned out the lady wanted to be
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Speaker 1: a nun. And he also described that as well to me,
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Speaker 1: maybe that's the possibility my son wanted to be a
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Speaker 1: monk and joined the monastery. I thought your son was
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Speaker 1: interested in a woman that he just recently made a
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Speaker 1: grocery delivery too. That does not fit with being a monk.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, exactly. Okay, somebody helped me out
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Speaker 1: what the hey, Karen story. You got a father that
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Speaker 1: drives all the way from South Carolina at Arizona and
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Speaker 1: find his son and go that. Cops say, yeah, he
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Speaker 1: probably wanted to vanish. Maybe he wanted to become a monk.
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Speaker 1: And they're not kidding, they're serious. It's really unfitting, and
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for you, mister Robinson reeling. My heart
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Speaker 1: goes out because I can't understand how they could possibly
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Speaker 1: say that. It just doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't
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Speaker 1: they be Nancy you know too. Why wouldn't they search
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Speaker 1: the vehicle and do forensic work and begin to worry
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Speaker 1: that he's been gone for so long and that it's
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Speaker 1: not just the jeep, his clothes are there. Who would
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Speaker 1: put their clothes there and decide that they want to
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Speaker 1: join a monastery. It's so far fetched that it's really sad.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, mister Robinson, your mommy so
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Speaker 1: much of my dad. He would get in his car
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Speaker 1: and come immediately to wherever I was if I was
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Speaker 1: in any kind of distress, without me even having to
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Speaker 1: ask for him to do it. He and my mom
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Speaker 1: always right here, and it hurts me so much. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: a forensics expert, founder of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you about the forensics yet,
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Speaker 1: but to hear somebody a cop tell a parent he's
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Speaker 1: twenty five. Hey, that's grown man, but out bud and
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Speaker 1: ski basically because he's on his own and so were you.
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Speaker 1: You know, Cheryl, you and I were already working in
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Speaker 1: the trenches by the time I was twenty five. And
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Speaker 1: do you know my mother would call me still. I
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Speaker 1: would be out prosecuting rapists, murderers, drug awards. But my
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Speaker 1: mother would call me at about six o'clock every morning
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Speaker 1: when she got to work to make sure I was
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Speaker 1: up and going us. But we didn't have cell phones,
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Speaker 1: and even at that age, she would still send me
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Speaker 1: six packs of the eight for me to drink on
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Speaker 1: the way to work because she wanted to make sure
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Speaker 1: I got vegetables. Yes, at age twenty five, and if
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Speaker 1: a day went by and I didn't call them, they
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Speaker 1: would know something was wrong. And that's what David Robinson
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Speaker 1: to say. And I think a cot would say he's
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Speaker 1: twenty five years old. Man, click right, that's just total bs. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's another thing about Daniels and I think we need
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Speaker 1: to know that law enforces. Z wrote in on he
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Speaker 1: didn't go more than six hours, according to his family,
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Speaker 1: without taking somebody where he was or where he was going.
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Speaker 1: He checked in regularly. He let people know what his
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Speaker 1: plans were, where the job site was, what his hours
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Speaker 1: were there. So he was very good about that. And
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy. I mean I still do that, Izy.
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Speaker 1: I'm in touch with my mom all the time. I mean,
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Speaker 1: because you if you love them, you want to talk
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Speaker 1: to them, you want to text them, you want to
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Speaker 1: hear what they're doing. I mean, David Robinson, you had
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Speaker 1: to know almost immediately that something was wrong when when
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Speaker 1: you didn't hear from him, and no better than your
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Speaker 1: family you had heard from him, your daughter, his sister
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard from him. The people at work, we're already
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Speaker 1: didn't show up. I mean, you knew something was really wrong.
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Speaker 1: That's right, that's rights broken. Okay, Nate eaton joining me
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Speaker 1: special guests joining us today with David Robinson, and again
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Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. Please help them. He is
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Speaker 1: now funding the investigation to find his son. Please help
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Speaker 1: find Daniel dot com, Nat and help me. Nate. Let
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Speaker 1: me start at the beginning because I got carried off
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Speaker 1: hearing mister Robinson on on what happened in his life.
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Speaker 1: To start at the beginning. Tell me everything, Nate, don't
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Speaker 1: leave anything out. So Daniel goes to work. He's a
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Speaker 1: geologist at his first job. He's in the middle of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: you could say, right outside of Phoenix. But was he
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Speaker 1: living in Phoenix? He was living? Was he living in
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Speaker 1: phen David in Timpy at the time he first Phenis
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Speaker 1: then it moved to Timpy, So he was living in
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Speaker 1: Phoenix at the time, right, gotcha? Okay, go ahead, Nate.
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Speaker 1: So he gets to work and one of his co
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Speaker 1: workers is there with him. He says that he stayed
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Speaker 1: her about I don't know fifteen twenty minutes. Is that
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Speaker 1: in an office or were they out at A little
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Speaker 1: known fact, my fiancee, Keith that was murdered was studying
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Speaker 1: geology and he already was working geologist jobs as he
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Speaker 1: was going through school. And a lot of times he
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Speaker 1: would not report into an office. He would report to
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Speaker 1: a site. So when you say Nate Eaton and he
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Speaker 1: met up with a coworker, was it at some office
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Speaker 1: or was it out in the middle of a geological site. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this was out of a site, darn, because I was
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Speaker 1: hoping I could glean something from maybe surveillance video or anyway.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, Nate. This is near the White
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Speaker 1: Tank Mountains. His co worker said that Daniel was acting strange.
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Speaker 1: He was quote staring into the distance and talking about
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Speaker 1: things that didn't make sense. So after about fifteen minutes,
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Speaker 1: his coworkers told police that Daniel left. That was the
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Speaker 1: last time he was seen. I didn't know that. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean he was staring out? I mean, when
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Speaker 1: you were working in geology, you are staring out in
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Speaker 1: the distance. That's one of the things you do. I
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Speaker 1: don't find that odd. But what do they mean by
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Speaker 1: talking about things that didn't make any sense? Not to
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Speaker 1: them maybe, But what do they mean by that? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's all that the police report said, all that he
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Speaker 1: elaborated on. But you do make a good point, that is,
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Speaker 1: you know, geologists loved to go out there and explore
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Speaker 1: and Daniel was a science is a scientist. He has
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Speaker 1: a brilliant mind. He loved this is his passion. So
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Speaker 1: he leaves after about fifteen minutes, according to his coworker,
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Speaker 1: and he has not been seen since. But three weeks later,
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Speaker 1: three or four weeks later, they discover his jeep and
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Speaker 1: who discovers it? A local rancher discovers the jeep about
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Speaker 1: three miles from the work site. Okay, Nate Eaton, Sorry guys,
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Speaker 1: Nate eat and joining me from East Idaho News dot Com. Nate,
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Speaker 1: I want to back up to something. I'm always constantly multitasking,
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Speaker 1: even in my head, and I will suddenly say something
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Speaker 1: here in the studio to Jackie and she's like, what,
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Speaker 1: you know, three stories ahead or three stories behind, having
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Speaker 1: a thought about this or that or what we need
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Speaker 1: to do or where we need to go or who
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Speaker 1: we need to talk to. And it doesn't always make
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Speaker 1: sense to her, or my husband or my children, whoever's
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Speaker 1: around me at that moment, because I'm thinking in a
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Speaker 1: different place of where I'm at that moment. So you know,
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Speaker 1: bottom line, Cheryl McCollum, that doesn't mean anything to me
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Speaker 1: that he was talking about things and they didn't know
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Speaker 1: what he was talking about. Right, It could be a
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Speaker 1: lot of things, you know, when you're juggling, for instance,
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Speaker 1: a caseload, you could be talking about one case one
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Speaker 1: minute and something else the next minute. I need to
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Speaker 1: find out what happened from the time they saw him
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Speaker 1: and when a rancher found his vehicle. It was a jeep, right,
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Speaker 1: Nate Eaton, Yeah, it was a twenty seventeen Gee Renegade
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Speaker 1: about three miles from the work site. Three miles Was
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Speaker 1: it on or off road? It was off road, and
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Speaker 1: his clothes were on the ground next to it. His
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Speaker 1: wallet and phone were in the car. Okay, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of information what you just said so succinctly. But
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Speaker 1: I'm curious to David Robinson, why did a local rancher
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Speaker 1: have to find his jeep when you had reported him missing.
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Speaker 1: A simple flyover and a helicopter would have seen that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, well, you know that was one of the
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Speaker 1: reasons why I left Columbia, South Carolina is they didn't
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Speaker 1: do initial search the day my son with missing. The
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Speaker 1: day after, they didn't do a search, but it did
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Speaker 1: almost a three days later using the Phoenix firebird, they say,
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Speaker 1: and also once I got here in Arizona, I started
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Speaker 1: my own searches at that time before the rancher in
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Speaker 1: to found the vehicle almost third days later. The ranch
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Speaker 1: was out there according to him, and the testimony gave
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Speaker 1: myself and also my investigator to day he's out there
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Speaker 1: to the three days prior to the nineteenth to chase
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Speaker 1: down his cattle. They come through the same ravine that
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Speaker 1: the vehicles found in the vehicle wasn't there. He's checking
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Speaker 1: for his cattle. But on the nineteenth, two three days
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Speaker 1: after the vehicles there. That's why he called it in.
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Speaker 1: He said he noticed it match to the scripture of
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Speaker 1: something that was said in the local media. And so
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Speaker 1: that's where it went from that point. Okay, David Robinson,
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Speaker 1: you just gave me a lot of ammunition. Yeah, something
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Speaker 1: to work with, because you're telling me, let's get this
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Speaker 1: timeline down. Night eating and everybody deal our sun high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer Jacksonville, former FBI Karen Start, New York psychologist
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Speaker 1: on Facebook and at Karen Start dot com. Everybody jump in, Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: What David is just telling me is very critical because
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Speaker 1: he leaves the work site, his jeep is found three
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Speaker 1: days later. Was it three days later, thirty almost, thirty
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Speaker 1: days later, thirty days later, is that right? Thirty days almost?
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Speaker 1: But curiously, Cheryl McCollum, the jeep wasn't there the last
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Speaker 1: time the rancher had ridden through that ravine trying to
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Speaker 1: round up cattle. And when was that? David Robinson, how
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Speaker 1: many days before he spotted the jeep? Had he been there?
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Speaker 1: The vehicles found on two out of nineteenth? He say
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Speaker 1: he was there two to three days prior to look
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Speaker 1: for this cattle that comes down at same ravine, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't there, So we'll just go with the sixteenth.
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Speaker 1: So what happened in that period of time? So he's
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Speaker 1: last seen June twenty three, Cheryl, right, And then suddenly
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Speaker 1: his jeep turns up just three miles away from that
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Speaker 1: original worksite on July nineteenth. Ish. That really doesn't make
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Speaker 1: any sense, doesn't It doesn't make any sense. But the
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Speaker 1: jeep has essentially like a black box like an airplane has,
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Speaker 1: and so they're going to be able to extract all
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Speaker 1: of that data from that jeep. For example, they already
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Speaker 1: know that prior to hitting that ravine, that jeep accelerated.
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Speaker 1: They know that somebody tried to get the ignition to
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Speaker 1: engage forty times after the crash. So there's been activity
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Speaker 1: that they know from that jeep. So if it had
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Speaker 1: been anywhere else, they would know that. Okay, Cheryl, which
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Speaker 1: you repeat what you just said about the way the
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Speaker 1: condition in which the jeep was found. They are multiple
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Speaker 1: attempts to turn the jeep back on and hitting the
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Speaker 1: gas before or impact. Right, so it looks like he's
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Speaker 1: off road, maybe four wheeling so to speak. There's a
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Speaker 1: ravine it's got like about a forty five degree grade
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Speaker 1: before getting to the up part. He accelerates almost like
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Speaker 1: he's gunning it, trying to make it up that hill. Well,
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Speaker 1: what happens is he hits it in such a way
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Speaker 1: that it appears flips the car on his side. So
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Speaker 1: the driver's side is going to be vacant of any
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Speaker 1: dust or rocks or scratches. The passenger side is going
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Speaker 1: to have a significant damage, as the front end does
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Speaker 1: as well, because again the way it looks like it
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Speaker 1: was hit, it flips it because of the grade. The
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Speaker 1: tire just runs out a road. That's all there is
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Speaker 1: to it. As comments jump in, yeah, you know, after
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Speaker 1: the airbags deployed. There was apparently eleven more miles put
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Speaker 1: on the vehicle, and so the view may be that
20:57
Speaker 1: someone else wrecked the vehicle some other location and transported
21:02
Speaker 1: it there, because that may be because someone else abducted him,
21:09
Speaker 1: and when that happened, of course they tried to get
21:13
Speaker 1: rid of the evidence by putting the vehicle subsequently in
21:18
Speaker 1: that ravine. And you know, if there's a lot of
21:21
Speaker 1: interest involved in this, it's quite possible that someone else
21:26
Speaker 1: is angry at him having a love interest in their paramore.
21:31
Speaker 1: Could you say that again, Cheryl McCollum about Dale Carson
21:35
Speaker 1: just brought out Nate or David Robinson know about the
21:41
Speaker 1: eleven mile driving post impact. I'm going to play Devil's
21:44
Speaker 1: advocate needs he eleven miles didn't mean those tires are
21:48
Speaker 1: on the road. They could have been because of an acceleration.
21:53
Speaker 1: So again, they're going to know from tracks in that dirt.
21:58
Speaker 1: They're going to know from skid marks, rocks being thrown
22:01
Speaker 1: with acceleration. If there were other miles driven on the
22:08
Speaker 1: roadway or off road, there would be evidence of that
22:10
Speaker 1: as well. Again, it appears there's parts of the vehicle
22:15
Speaker 1: up near where the clothes were left. It looks like
22:17
Speaker 1: whoever got out of that vehicle put the clothes right
22:20
Speaker 1: there in a pile. They're just all together in a pile,
22:23
Speaker 1: like somebody just got naked and walked off. The fact
22:26
Speaker 1: that his cell phone is there, the fact that his
22:28
Speaker 1: wallet is there, the fact there's no activity on his
22:32
Speaker 1: bank account or cards at all. He's made zero contact
22:35
Speaker 1: with anybody. He scrubbed the Instagram before this happened. I mean,
22:41
Speaker 1: it may not be as nefarious as it appears. It
22:45
Speaker 1: could very well be that Daniel was the only one
22:49
Speaker 1: in that car, and Daniel walked away from that car naked.
22:52
Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe. Okay, you know
22:55
Speaker 1: another clue to me, Nate Eaton, is that he is
23:00
Speaker 1: his clothes. Daniel's clothes were folded, but folded up. They're
23:04
Speaker 1: basically in a pile near this jeep, and the jeep
23:09
Speaker 1: guys is found out in remote desert site about three
23:16
Speaker 1: miles from his work site, and it looks wrecked. It's
23:21
Speaker 1: gone down about a twenty foot ravine. But then his
23:26
Speaker 1: clothes have been taken off and are found near the truck.
23:31
Speaker 1: Were the clothes found near the jeep night eating they
23:34
Speaker 1: were and you want to know what else has found
23:36
Speaker 1: near the Jeep's wallet and cell Phone's wallet and cell
23:38
Speaker 1: phone were inside the jeep, but they also found David
23:41
Speaker 1: and his PI found human remains. About ten days after
23:46
Speaker 1: that vehicle was found by the rancher, a skull was
23:49
Speaker 1: found near Daniel's jeep and the mmy came out and
23:53
Speaker 1: said it wasn't it wasn't Daniels here because they believed
23:57
Speaker 1: that school had been there longer, longer than the time.
24:00
Speaker 1: But then a few months later they found additional human remains.
24:03
Speaker 1: They found two human steamers, hipbones, vertebrae. Again the medical
24:08
Speaker 1: examiners saying they don't believe this is Daniels. But here
24:11
Speaker 1: is this father who over the past year has spent
24:14
Speaker 1: forty weeks searching thirty two thousand acres of land and
24:19
Speaker 1: he's found these human remains and this jeep has been
24:22
Speaker 1: found yet no sign of his son. That cannot be
24:26
Speaker 1: a coincidence that daniels jeep is found wrecked, which would
24:34
Speaker 1: suggest that Daniel would have to get out of the jeep,
24:38
Speaker 1: which is as you look at it, it's wrecked down
24:41
Speaker 1: a ravine, it's crashed, and then step away from it
24:45
Speaker 1: and calmly take his clothes off and leave them in
24:47
Speaker 1: a pile. If he were trying to kill himself, wouldn't
24:52
Speaker 1: you think that he would take his clothes off and
24:54
Speaker 1: then wrecked the car instead of wrecking the car, take
24:57
Speaker 1: off his clothes and then vanish in the desert? What foot?
25:01
Speaker 1: And it's basically found in a burial ground where at
25:05
Speaker 1: least one, if not three, other skeletons are right there
25:11
Speaker 1: in the same vicinity. I mean, everything is it's a
25:14
Speaker 1: red flag waving at me that this was not a
25:19
Speaker 1: self induced crash. Who's jumping in? Killers often returned to
25:25
Speaker 1: the place where they've deposited bodies, if not, if for
25:29
Speaker 1: nothing else to view the condition of the body that
25:32
Speaker 1: they left at. So the idea that the jeep was
25:35
Speaker 1: found in an area where there were other human remains
25:39
Speaker 1: is an indication that someone outside this is a third
25:43
Speaker 1: party actor. You're right, Dale Carson. I mean, think about it,
25:47
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, what's the likelihood he's gonna go crash his jeep,
25:51
Speaker 1: stripped down and wander off into the desert on foot
25:57
Speaker 1: right where other human remains are found. Well, I have
26:00
Speaker 1: a question for David number one. It sounds like the
26:03
Speaker 1: bones were not found with clothing. And David, do you
26:06
Speaker 1: know how they ruled Daniel out? Well, you know, yeah,
26:10
Speaker 1: of course, in the course of my searches, the volunteers,
26:14
Speaker 1: we did fou those human remains, the human skull. The
26:17
Speaker 1: freshest one was the last part of last year. That
26:20
Speaker 1: really was scary for me. But the way they ruled
26:23
Speaker 1: that one out. For instance, first they told me buck
26:26
Speaker 1: I pulled Tony all animal bones. Of course I made
26:29
Speaker 1: a big thing about it. Uh, since it to Mary
26:31
Speaker 1: corpor County Zama's author that said it was human bones.
26:34
Speaker 1: They foually made a crime scene, but they told me
26:38
Speaker 1: only forty minutes later. I was that couldn't make it
26:40
Speaker 1: from buck Eye to Phoenix after that search, and they
26:43
Speaker 1: called me before I made it Speen and say, hey,
26:44
Speaker 1: it's not your son. And I don't know how they
26:47
Speaker 1: did that, but they say they can tell us now
26:48
Speaker 1: the black Man's bone, That's what I was told, So
26:51
Speaker 1: I don't know it was a skull. These bones is
26:54
Speaker 1: the fevers um, the hip bones, Well maybe they were
26:57
Speaker 1: totally skeletonized, And that would not have been the case
27:00
Speaker 1: had it been Daniel because it was closer. We had
27:03
Speaker 1: some bone marrow. There have college still there, just the
27:07
Speaker 1: freshest seen remains to stup then out there. But at
27:10
Speaker 1: first they told you they were animal bones. They did. Oh,
27:13
Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, it just gets worse. Why would
27:16
Speaker 1: they make that comment to you when it turns out
27:19
Speaker 1: to be human bones and then it turns out to
27:22
Speaker 1: be not Daniel. Thank God. It's gotten to a point
27:26
Speaker 1: where Daniel's father has felt he had to hire a
27:32
Speaker 1: private investigator to try to find his son. Take a
27:36
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at kpn X twelve. Losing faith
27:40
Speaker 1: in the force. David hired private investigator Jeff McGrath in July,
27:44
Speaker 1: who says the crash data doesn't add up. The detective
27:48
Speaker 1: told him the vehicle rolled down the ravine. I looked
27:51
Speaker 1: the photo. I said that vehicle never rolled. It got
27:55
Speaker 1: to the bottom and tipped on its side. That's all
27:56
Speaker 1: it did. So I can't rule out fell play. So
27:59
Speaker 1: I don't know how I can. Bucky Police say they're
28:02
Speaker 1: taking another look at the crash data in the coming
28:04
Speaker 1: days with an expert, but still don't suspect foul play.
28:08
Speaker 1: BPD also released a partial police report on Thursday that
28:11
Speaker 1: documents all the leads in evidence. They followed up on
28:14
Speaker 1: did you hear that? What? The private investigator who took
28:18
Speaker 1: the time to look at the crash data is saying
28:23
Speaker 1: this was not necessarily a crash, more allowing the jeep
28:27
Speaker 1: was rolled down the ravine and turned over. Take a
28:32
Speaker 1: listen to Matt Galca at Fox ten. This latest information
28:37
Speaker 1: release has to do with the crash data from the
28:39
Speaker 1: jeep that Robinson was driving. He's been missing since late June.
28:43
Speaker 1: That jeep was found nearly a month later, smashed up
28:47
Speaker 1: near a ravine. This is Daniel Robinson's jeep. The twenty
28:51
Speaker 1: three year old was last seen June twenty third. His
28:54
Speaker 1: jeep was found July nineteenth on its side near a ravine,
28:58
Speaker 1: within miles of the logical work site he said to
29:01
Speaker 1: have walked off from in the Far West Valley. The
29:04
Speaker 1: findings of the collision report of the vehicle were released yesterday.
29:08
Speaker 1: Investigators say the Jeep Renegade was in a rollover crash,
29:12
Speaker 1: the only crash recorded internally on the jeep. They say
29:15
Speaker 1: speed increased before impact, leading investigators to speculate the jeep
29:20
Speaker 1: was trying to get up the side of the ravine.
29:22
Speaker 1: Forty ignition cycles were recorded after the crash, meaning the
29:26
Speaker 1: driver could have been attempting to restart the vehicle. What
29:30
Speaker 1: does that mean. I've got to analyze that, but I
29:33
Speaker 1: do know what it means to Daniel's mother. Take a
29:37
Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from KPNX twelve. It took
29:41
Speaker 1: me three months to look at muscles pitching just seeing
29:46
Speaker 1: his car. It took me three months to look at
29:49
Speaker 1: his car. You thought you fell pain. Try to looking
29:52
Speaker 1: for your child and not knowing where he is. Daniel's mom,
29:56
Speaker 1: Melissa Edmonds, speaking out for the first time, fighting back heres. Meanwhile,
30:01
Speaker 1: Daniel's dad, David is calling out the cops for lack
30:04
Speaker 1: of urgency in the first forty eight hours. Yeah. I
30:07
Speaker 1: believe that if they would have stepped up the plate
30:10
Speaker 1: at the beginning, I wouldn't be standing here now. Time
30:26
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. David Robinson is joining me. This
30:33
Speaker 1: is Daniel's father, and I implore you to help anyway
30:37
Speaker 1: you can go to. Please help find Daniel dot Com.
30:40
Speaker 1: What did you mean by that if the cops has
30:42
Speaker 1: stepped up to the plate earlier, you would not be
30:45
Speaker 1: where you are right now. Well, yes, well, you know
30:48
Speaker 1: the first twenty four the forty eight hours is the
30:51
Speaker 1: most crucial point that I've learned. Also as well, doing
30:54
Speaker 1: us this very crucial when he's trying to look for
30:57
Speaker 1: a missing person. I think with me, my family, knowing
31:00
Speaker 1: my sons, I've been there since his birth, I wouldn't
31:03
Speaker 1: know a lot more than a co worker, for instance,
31:05
Speaker 1: wouldn't know about my son. And you know the family,
31:08
Speaker 1: we've been worried. We know the difference between Daniel disappearing
31:13
Speaker 1: on his own or versus something happening. We should know
31:17
Speaker 1: the difference. We know his patterns, those fanims have been broken.
31:20
Speaker 1: M If the police partner would have at the beginning
31:23
Speaker 1: decided to go to look for my son that night
31:26
Speaker 1: as well as then this morning, without this assumption that Daniel,
31:30
Speaker 1: without evidence that Daniel said I wanted to disappear on
31:34
Speaker 1: his own, I think they would have found him. They
31:36
Speaker 1: would have found him immediately before I even made it
31:38
Speaker 1: to Phoenix, and it shouldn't have took me all those
31:40
Speaker 1: hours just to drive here to go look for Daniel myself.
31:45
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the timeline. I'm curious about whether the
31:48
Speaker 1: interior of that jeep was processed, whose fingerprints were on
31:53
Speaker 1: the steering that the steering wheel at the time of
31:56
Speaker 1: the impact. Were they Daniels John if the airbags went off,
32:02
Speaker 1: they'll be DNA whoever would drive in the car? Well,
32:05
Speaker 1: you're right, Charlon McConn there could be other prints as well.
32:09
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering was he driving the car at the
32:12
Speaker 1: time of the rollover or was the car left there
32:17
Speaker 1: coincidentally in the same area as other human remains What
32:22
Speaker 1: happened in those days from the day he disappears June
32:25
Speaker 1: twenty three to July sixteenth. But Nancy, keep in mind,
32:30
Speaker 1: if somebody left that car there, there would be a
32:32
Speaker 1: secondary vehicle to take them away. I don't think anybody
32:36
Speaker 1: would drive that far out in the desert just have
32:38
Speaker 1: to walk back to town. That doesn't make any sense
32:41
Speaker 1: to me. There's no tracks, there's no evidence there was
32:44
Speaker 1: anybody else. Please use a TVs. They used cadaver dogs,
32:48
Speaker 1: they used air support with helicopters and drones. And let's
32:52
Speaker 1: talk about Daniel's pattern. His own sister said he came
32:57
Speaker 1: to her apartment, stared for thirty minutes without talking, got
33:01
Speaker 1: up and left abruptly. That's exactly what the co workers said.
33:05
Speaker 1: We have to listen to that. Okay, back to you
33:08
Speaker 1: joining me. Is Daniel's dad, David Robinson. Yes, Well, one
33:12
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to throw in is that those things
33:14
Speaker 1: about my son's staring off. My daughter and I was
33:17
Speaker 1: put in an interrogation room with the Buckeye Police Department
33:20
Speaker 1: and they has to sit there and think about anything
33:22
Speaker 1: that we seemed kind of strange. But Daniel, my daughter,
33:25
Speaker 1: had to think about something that happened almost two weeks
33:27
Speaker 1: prior to Danie gone missing, that he came over and
33:29
Speaker 1: kind of stared off, as well as some of the
33:32
Speaker 1: some of the things that haven't been reported. According to
33:35
Speaker 1: my investigator who I hired, the vehicle, we had the vehicle,
33:39
Speaker 1: not only the black Buck data came from the Buckeye
33:41
Speaker 1: Police Department, all the information that we got as well
33:44
Speaker 1: as my investigator. He decided to have the entertainment systems
33:47
Speaker 1: sit to California for analysis. After eight hundred nine hundred
33:50
Speaker 1: page report, we found out the vehicles crashed four hours
33:53
Speaker 1: out there my son would missing. We have, of course,
33:57
Speaker 1: the Buckeye Police did. They first searched almost three days
34:00
Speaker 1: after my son was missing. The second one was done
34:03
Speaker 1: almost two weeks later with silver Averatrol all was in
34:07
Speaker 1: the same area where the vehicle the mission will be
34:09
Speaker 1: found and they came up empty handed, so they kind
34:12
Speaker 1: of backs up the ranch of story that the vehicle
34:14
Speaker 1: wasn't there two to three days prior. Of course, like
34:17
Speaker 1: I said that that mission as it didn't happen at
34:20
Speaker 1: four hours after you were missing a round one o'clock
34:22
Speaker 1: that day on the twenty third, Nate Eatan, what does
34:25
Speaker 1: that mean? What does that mean? Because I think David
34:29
Speaker 1: Robinson just said the crash of the vehicle happened shortly
34:34
Speaker 1: after Daniel goes missing, but it wasn't in that location
34:38
Speaker 1: until about a month later. What right? Yeah, transfer paint
34:42
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I'm sorry, but it's also read
34:44
Speaker 1: transfer paint on the vehicle on the side that's on
34:47
Speaker 1: the ground. That's not the red in the desert of
34:49
Speaker 1: the funds. Hicle came in content with something that's red,
34:53
Speaker 1: vehicle old something, So a crash with a red object
34:57
Speaker 1: like another car or dumpster or something painted red that
35:03
Speaker 1: would leave that imprint on his car. What about that,
35:05
Speaker 1: Nate Eton, Well, the question I haven't David, maybe you canswered.
35:08
Speaker 1: If he disappears during twenty third, the car found is
35:11
Speaker 1: found July nineteenth with his phone inside. Were they able
35:15
Speaker 1: to pin his phone at all over the course about
35:17
Speaker 1: month to see if they're with movement and where it went. Well,
35:21
Speaker 1: that's one of those same questions of my family. The
35:23
Speaker 1: first thing idea when I got arizonas with Buckeye Police
35:25
Speaker 1: Park and those the questions we had. We needed camera footage,
35:28
Speaker 1: we needed self phone teams. Yet also you connect, you
35:32
Speaker 1: connect in this vehicle. All they said they could get
35:35
Speaker 1: the information from They can get these selfphone teams, they
35:37
Speaker 1: can get those pitches at traffic lights. Uh. And they
35:41
Speaker 1: said the you connect all zeros when they try to
35:44
Speaker 1: get something from it. So that's one of the things.
35:46
Speaker 1: The other celphone teams as well. There's some things we're
35:50
Speaker 1: looking for. So you do not believe your son took
35:53
Speaker 1: his jeep down that ravine? Correct? That is correct, that's correct.
35:58
Speaker 1: I highlight dot that. You highly doubt that. And you're
36:01
Speaker 1: still struggling fighting to get the cell phone pay data
36:04
Speaker 1: you sam, you know some of those things. I was
36:07
Speaker 1: told by the Buckout Police Department at the time they
36:10
Speaker 1: were going to do that, and then they came back
36:12
Speaker 1: later told my daughter and I that it wasn't being
36:14
Speaker 1: able to because no more, no judge would get them
36:17
Speaker 1: a warrant or the things they applied for it to
36:20
Speaker 1: get that kind of information. So today we kind of
36:22
Speaker 1: stuck just with everything we have from my son's uh
36:27
Speaker 1: you know, phone records and things like that. Isn't it
36:29
Speaker 1: true that there was a series of texts that had
36:31
Speaker 1: been wiped off your son's phone? It just correct. Once
36:35
Speaker 1: the Buckout Police parm returned the phone to me. Mind you,
36:37
Speaker 1: I admit to mention that everything was turned over to me.
36:40
Speaker 1: The vehicles found on nineteen the Buckout Police park re
36:42
Speaker 1: turned the vehicle over to me on the twentieth. They
36:45
Speaker 1: had a beating A couple days later. They turned on
36:48
Speaker 1: all the evidence, I mean everything and evidence bad but
36:51
Speaker 1: mark for safe keeping. H They told me they was
36:54
Speaker 1: done my son's case. Now. When I received the phone
36:56
Speaker 1: from them, the cell phone was missing his memory card
36:59
Speaker 1: that just recently purchased William he needed a big a
37:02
Speaker 1: cart that was missing his geo locations everything because firstday
37:06
Speaker 1: I was trying to find out we was located at
37:08
Speaker 1: the time. Oh that we wiped for the phone, everything
37:11
Speaker 1: about this young lady was wiped from the phone, theself
37:13
Speaker 1: of her name and you know her phone number, but
37:16
Speaker 1: everybody else's wife in terms of the test messages and
37:19
Speaker 1: things like that picture Nate at and how could that be?
37:22
Speaker 1: So was this some sort of a love triangle where
37:25
Speaker 1: someone gets his phone, wipes all the text between him
37:30
Speaker 1: and this girl, cleans them off, and then does away
37:34
Speaker 1: with him and crashes the car. Well, it's possible, of course.
37:37
Speaker 1: The girl told place that she had no relationship with Daniel,
37:40
Speaker 1: but one of Daniel's friends said that there was something more.
37:43
Speaker 1: As David said, he spent the night with her. So
37:45
Speaker 1: somebody could have been jealous, somebody could have taken that phone,
37:48
Speaker 1: somebody could have wiped it off. I mean, I don't
37:50
Speaker 1: know who's going to wipe their phone and then take
37:52
Speaker 1: a car and crash them in the desert. And obviously
37:54
Speaker 1: these are questions that need to be answered, but the
37:57
Speaker 1: family is not getting answered. That's where we come in.
38:02
Speaker 1: There's a private investigator that has been hired doing its best,
38:06
Speaker 1: and I'm curious, Dale Carson, what you think about contacting
38:11
Speaker 1: someone over the Buckeye Police, for instance, the state attorney General. Well,
38:16
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. I mean, if you're not getting satisfaction
38:19
Speaker 1: at the local level, then you go up one level,
38:22
Speaker 1: and it's clear that there are unusual events surrounding this
38:27
Speaker 1: young fellow's disappearance, and clearly there's also evidence that he
38:32
Speaker 1: was possibly abducted. I mean, so that's where the investigation
38:36
Speaker 1: starts in any really active law enforcement agency. He isn't
38:41
Speaker 1: going to let this come to rest until there's a conclusion.
38:44
Speaker 1: To David Robinson, this is Daniel's father and you can
38:48
Speaker 1: find him at Please Help Find Daniel dot com. What
38:51
Speaker 1: is your message today the day is that I will
38:55
Speaker 1: continue to fight for my son. I'm standing again for
38:58
Speaker 1: my family of a family. He have Dannie Hals some
39:01
Speaker 1: mother who's terrified. Um, you know everything that's going on
39:05
Speaker 1: as siblings, grandparents, as well as other families and friends.
39:10
Speaker 1: But Daniel, he's a high spirited young man man that
39:13
Speaker 1: loves love God first of all. Uh. He has have
39:16
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, very intelligent dreams and aspirations uh
39:21
Speaker 1: to do great things. He's a contribute to society. H
39:24
Speaker 1: Daniel is my son, and you know, I'm just gonna
39:26
Speaker 1: continue to fight for him, do everything I can as
39:29
Speaker 1: a father, And just wanted to make sure everybody knows
39:32
Speaker 1: who Daniel is. He's a young geologist m here to
39:36
Speaker 1: do great things. Cheryl, jump in, David. I think something
39:39
Speaker 1: that's going to be really important is any of the
39:41
Speaker 1: items that they gave you back, like his cell phone,
39:43
Speaker 1: or his clothes or even the airbag. If you can
39:46
Speaker 1: get them, get them to a private lab. That costs money, Cheryl,
39:50
Speaker 1: that's what the cops. That's what we're paying the cops
39:53
Speaker 1: to do. We pay the cops, we pay the crime Lib,
39:57
Speaker 1: we pay every single scientist at the crime lab. And now,
40:01
Speaker 1: sadly I agree with you, Cheryl. We're having to tell
40:04
Speaker 1: Daniel's father, you get the evidence, and you go pay
40:09
Speaker 1: to have it done by the crime lab. I mean, Nancy,
40:11
Speaker 1: here's a great thing. Because of you, he can raise
40:14
Speaker 1: that money. And second of all, if they can't even
40:16
Speaker 1: get a warrant to get in his car or his home,
40:19
Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to do the testing because,
40:22
Speaker 1: for as far as they know, there's no crump. So
40:23
Speaker 1: they're not going to let them do it. We can
40:26
Speaker 1: do it, we can help them. Here is a number
40:28
Speaker 1: for the Attorney General of Arizona. Six zero two five
40:33
Speaker 1: four two two one two three repeat six zero two
40:39
Speaker 1: five four two two one two three. That's the number
40:45
Speaker 1: for the Arizona Attorney General. At this point, the Buckheye
40:51
Speaker 1: Police Department has helped in no way and may have
40:54
Speaker 1: actually hindered the investigation. We wait as justice unfolds. If
41:01
Speaker 1: you want to know more, please go to crime online
41:04
Speaker 1: dot com or go to Please Help Find Daniel, Please
41:10
Speaker 1: Help Find Daniel dot com. Goodbye friend,