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- 0:00Speaker 1: And nine Ignition.
- 0:05Speaker 2: Five four three two one zero All engine running.
- 0:22Speaker 3: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
- 0:24Speaker 3: Ignition with the AAW Fanhubb podcast team. This is Kelson
- 0:29Speaker 3: and we are heading into a W Dynamite, not just
- 0:33Speaker 3: any AW Dynamite, but the sixth anniversary of AW Dynamite.
- 0:39Speaker 3: Can you guys believe that? I mean, no, I was
- 0:44Speaker 3: only I was only like, I was only like twelve
- 0:47Speaker 3: when that when Dynamite started. Now, I can't back that up.
- 0:52Speaker 4: Gosh, howl for.
- 0:53Speaker 3: You when Dynamite started, you know, all right? But anyway,
- 1:00Speaker 3: Dynamite is coming and we've got some topics we're going
- 1:04Speaker 3: to talk about. I want to start with Orange Cassidy. Look,
- 1:07Speaker 3: last week he returned to nobody surprise except maybe I
- 1:13Speaker 3: don't know, maybe Sutton, uh, But anyway, Orange, guys, he
- 1:18Speaker 3: returned and he's coming back on Dynamite to face Kyle
- 1:23Speaker 3: Fletcher for the TNT Championship. Do you do you guys
- 1:27Speaker 3: think that OC has a chance of winning this match
- 1:32Speaker 3: against Fletcher for the TNT Championship.
- 1:35Speaker 1: There all be shenanigans.
- 1:38Speaker 4: Yeah, I so I didn't think. I don't think anything.
- 1:42Speaker 4: Thought that Polgram had a shot either. So I'm not
- 1:45Speaker 4: upset that OC is in this, and I Agreekelson that
- 1:48Speaker 4: nobody thinks he's gonna win, and they're going to use
- 1:52Speaker 4: that to their advantage. I think it the finish is
- 1:55Speaker 4: going to be really fun. But but for you know,
- 1:57Speaker 4: the case that I think it's just going to be
- 2:00Speaker 4: a little it's gonna be a little comedy and it's
- 2:03Speaker 4: going to force Kyle to kind of perform outside of
- 2:05Speaker 4: his comfort zone a little, So I'm really interested to
- 2:08Speaker 4: see how he will respond. Both of them are very,
- 2:11Speaker 4: very creative, and I I think this is going to
- 2:13Speaker 4: be kind of a low key blowaway match that it
- 2:15Speaker 4: does some people don't expect, Hi, guys.
- 2:21Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, what's up. Look, there's also the very real
- 2:28Speaker 3: possibility that Okata, Takashta and anybody else that Don Collis
- 2:32Speaker 3: family gets involved in this, and then of course there's
- 2:35Speaker 3: also the conglomeration that can get involved in this.
- 2:38Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you guys are from everybody, you know.
- 2:44Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't had a conversation yet, not a real
- 2:49Speaker 5: hardcore one where it's like everybody on hands on deck.
- 2:52Speaker 5: But Holgram's injured, so that would be a small comparatively.
- 2:58Speaker 3: Right, Well, look well, look, I mean we've got that.
- 3:01Speaker 3: I mean, you know, a lot of us are expecting
- 3:04Speaker 3: to cash her to turn. But when it comes to
- 3:07Speaker 3: Orange Cassidy, you know, with all the people that are
- 3:12Speaker 3: out like you know, basically Omega is a like on
- 3:15Speaker 3: a limited schedule. Swerb is recovering from his knee surgery.
- 3:19Speaker 3: Osprey looks like he's of course on a long term vacation.
- 3:24Speaker 3: I don't that's I don't want to be disrespectful. It's
- 3:27Speaker 3: not a it's not a vacation.
- 3:28Speaker 5: It's devlescent hardcore next surgery that's got to be six
- 3:33Speaker 5: months to a year, would be my guest.
- 3:36Speaker 3: I think they know they he it was big, big time.
- 3:41Speaker 3: I I think I heard him say somebody say that
- 3:44Speaker 3: it was going to be a year at least. But
- 3:48Speaker 3: how did where so Orange Casside is actually one of
- 3:51Speaker 3: the bigger old school or OG names back in a W. Now,
- 3:59Speaker 3: how did a in W utilize him going forward? What
- 4:02Speaker 3: should they do and what should they not do?
- 4:09Speaker 2: I mean I can see him being a stable leader
- 4:12Speaker 2: like yeah, you know.
- 4:14Speaker 5: Put on a mid sized belt, be in charge of
- 4:16Speaker 5: the conglomeration or a similar stable like with the best
- 4:18Speaker 5: friends and sort of Spearhead of Positive Face Faction.
- 4:23Speaker 6: I could see that he needs to put over a
- 4:25Speaker 6: car Fletcher, which he will do because he's an ex
- 4:28Speaker 6: champion as well, so I can Yeah, he needs to
- 4:33Speaker 6: put up a car Fletcher, make him a superstar and
- 4:37Speaker 6: everything possible. And I really do think he's I don't
- 4:42Speaker 6: see him. I think he needs to gradually get into
- 4:44Speaker 6: fighting again and not go like was last time with
- 4:48Speaker 6: you know, not.
- 4:50Speaker 1: So much.
- 4:51Speaker 6: He doesn't need to be he doesn't need to be
- 4:52Speaker 6: out there as much he can make He's so good
- 4:55Speaker 6: to me that his character is so good that he
- 4:57Speaker 6: doesn't need to wrestle all the time. He needs to
- 4:58Speaker 6: be a special attraction kind of like JF in my opinion, Yeah, yeah,
- 5:05Speaker 6: go ahead watch no No.
- 5:08Speaker 5: I just I mean, I agree his character is pretty strong.
- 5:11Speaker 5: I mean he gets a lot of people costsplaying at
- 5:13Speaker 5: him in the crowd. I saw it when I was
- 5:15Speaker 5: in Garland, like I see it all the time on TV,
- 5:17Speaker 5: Like he's he's definitely a fan favorite in terms of
- 5:20Speaker 5: his character work. The dude can wrestle though, you know,
- 5:23Speaker 5: like he's just a lighterweight guy. It's some of his
- 5:26Speaker 5: stick is obviously jokey, but that's fine, but home, he's
- 5:29Speaker 5: got great moves, he's got an incredible work set, and
- 5:31Speaker 5: he's got a good work rate. He works well off
- 5:33Speaker 5: the ropes, he works well on the ground. He does
- 5:34Speaker 5: chain wrestling well. Like he's just a smaller guy compared
- 5:38Speaker 5: to some of the heavier weights, right, I mean compared
- 5:40Speaker 5: to MJF or like hey Man, and so it's like,
- 5:43Speaker 5: you just play that up. But he could hang with
- 5:46Speaker 5: any heel that is not much bigger than he is
- 5:49Speaker 5: as far as dominating them or playing with them in
- 5:52Speaker 5: a chain wrestling way. I don't see how he couldn't.
- 5:56Speaker 4: Yeah, well look how he Look how he wrapped up
- 5:58Speaker 4: before the injury too. And that's where I was actually
- 6:00Speaker 4: going to start. So you kind of open that door
- 6:03Speaker 4: for me. He left feuding with the darth Runners or
- 6:07Speaker 4: the darth Runners, the death Run, right, he was like
- 6:09Speaker 4: the first I can't even get it right, the Darth Ridders.
- 6:13Speaker 3: Or then whatever, darth Runners.
- 6:20Speaker 4: Right, so he had you know, he was he kind
- 6:23Speaker 4: of spearheaded the Rebellion or the aw Face, pushing back them,
- 6:29Speaker 4: and as he got hurt, that's who he was kind
- 6:32Speaker 4: of feuding with. Now they've evolved and they are not
- 6:36Speaker 4: like the prime evil they were before in the promotion
- 6:39Speaker 4: where everything kind of revolved around them. So Orange can
- 6:43Speaker 4: really go in a lot of different ways in wash
- 6:45Speaker 4: what you were saying about his versatility, Like he can
- 6:48Speaker 4: work with everybody, and that's where his comedy shit comes
- 6:51Speaker 4: in handy, because especially with larger opponents or opponents that
- 6:55Speaker 4: were clearly stronger than them, he works in kind of
- 6:58Speaker 4: that goofball stuff to throw them off they're off their game,
- 7:01Speaker 4: or mix it up, or even just really annoy him
- 7:04Speaker 4: like when hell randomly, you know, hold his hand up
- 7:06Speaker 4: and flip people off when he's passed out or roll
- 7:07Speaker 4: out of the ring. So having him back really kind
- 7:11Speaker 4: of helps plug a lot of those upper upper mid
- 7:13Speaker 4: card to to to main event matches where you need
- 7:17Speaker 4: somebody new you can put in there. They're not necessarily
- 7:20Speaker 4: anybody we think can win the title, but that's that
- 7:23Speaker 4: solid level of upper mid card guy that can elevate
- 7:26Speaker 4: mid carters, and that's what Orange cass. He's very good.
- 7:28Speaker 4: Get somebody you want to bring up teaming with Orange,
- 7:31Speaker 4: perfect exposure. He's going to make him look like a
- 7:33Speaker 4: million bucks fan favorite. He's a he's a real versatile tool.
- 7:37Speaker 4: And so they can plug and play him in really
- 7:39Speaker 4: wherever they need to fill the holes now, and you
- 7:42Speaker 4: could feel him being gone because that's that's what they
- 7:44Speaker 4: did before. And they've got a real versatile tool back.
- 7:48Speaker 5: I mean, AW seems to have.
- 7:53Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, I bet no.
- 7:56Speaker 3: I was going to say, you know, to something to that.
- 7:59Speaker 3: Very just said, if they're gonna put uh orch cassidy
- 8:02Speaker 3: with a tag team partner, who would you put him with? Honestly,
- 8:09Speaker 3: who would be his tag team partner? I can't think
- 8:13Speaker 3: of anybody in the conglomeration that I would put him with.
- 8:16Speaker 4: Honestlysco that will.
- 8:24Speaker 2: Ye, that would be I don't like it. It's a
- 8:27Speaker 2: good er.
- 8:28Speaker 3: We AW needs somebody to step step up. They don't
- 8:35Speaker 3: need somebody to be hilarious.
- 8:37Speaker 4: I'd put him in the Callous Family after he loses
- 8:41Speaker 4: a stipulation match and has to be their butler. Now
- 8:44Speaker 4: follow me with this. I go for during perfect it's perfect,
- 8:49Speaker 4: It's and I totally stole that from a Seinfeld storyline
- 8:53Speaker 4: any Rate season four. Uh So he loses, he loses
- 8:56Speaker 4: some stipulation machine and has become the Callous Family butler.
- 8:59Speaker 4: While he's there, he befriends somebody they want to turn
- 9:04Speaker 4: Babyface into Callous Family in a tag team and begrudgingly
- 9:08Speaker 4: ends up winning the straps or going on a big
- 9:11Speaker 4: run with them, and that's how you turn somebody else
- 9:13Speaker 4: out of the Callous Family as the baby face. But
- 9:15Speaker 4: I would kill to see him forced to be like
- 9:18Speaker 4: Butler and just the stuff he would pull off, just
- 9:24Speaker 4: making Yeah, no, you know.
- 9:32Speaker 3: But it's a really good point because I do not
- 9:34Speaker 3: think that they need to put Orange Cassidy with Mark
- 9:38Speaker 3: Brisco or Kyle O'Reilly, you know, because they're entertaining. I
- 9:47Speaker 3: know that sounds stupid, but I think you need to
- 9:50Speaker 3: put Orange Cassidy with somebody darker, you know, somebody that's
- 9:56Speaker 3: more serious, because I just don't think that Orange Cassidy
- 10:03Speaker 3: with Kyle O'Reilly or Mark Brisco, for me personally, I
- 10:10Speaker 3: don't want to see that. The other thing that I
- 10:12Speaker 3: don't want to see with Orange Cassidy is for them
- 10:16Speaker 3: to overuse him and put him on every week in
- 10:19Speaker 3: the first match, like they did for better part of
- 10:22Speaker 3: a year two years ago. You know, I want them
- 10:26Speaker 3: to be diverse in the booking with Orange Cassidy. I
- 10:30Speaker 3: want them to do something unexpected like what Berry is
- 10:33Speaker 3: talking about. I would love to see something like that
- 10:37Speaker 3: other than the same stuff that got him there. Wrestlers,
- 10:41Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who they are, they have to evolve.
- 10:44Speaker 3: Chris Jericho is better around forever and how many times
- 10:46Speaker 3: has he evolved in his career?
- 10:48Speaker 6: Yeah, I like to see more of a darker Orange
- 10:54Speaker 6: Cassidy one who I love the fun, gimmicky stuff, but
- 10:58Speaker 6: he can be a little bit more of between, or
- 11:01Speaker 6: if he wanted to.
- 11:02Speaker 5: He could probably pull into a biker gimmick pretty easily,
- 11:08Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like Stade, he can do
- 11:11Speaker 5: a biker thing pretty easily as just the being close
- 11:14Speaker 5: and dark.
- 11:15Speaker 4: Wait wait, what if? What if every time he gets
- 11:20Speaker 4: hit in the head he changes personalities to his bad
- 11:24Speaker 4: guy there? That's serious. Yeah, So like cair shot, he
- 11:34Speaker 4: wakes up and he's Evil Orae Cassidy and then he's
- 11:37Speaker 4: in a ladder match and he falls off, he wakes up,
- 11:39Speaker 4: he's back to but they don't remember anything they've done.
- 11:43Speaker 4: Jack lenn High, well what.
- 11:46Speaker 3: I got a different I got a different take. Instead
- 11:48Speaker 3: of just going to evil, why not go to where
- 11:54Speaker 3: he Every once in a while he also becomes another wrestler.
- 11:57Speaker 3: I mean, he goes to an evil person he gets
- 12:00Speaker 3: hit in the head, he comes back good. He goes
- 12:02Speaker 3: to an evil personality, comes back good, he gets hit
- 12:05Speaker 3: and hit it again, and all of a sudden, he's
- 12:07Speaker 3: Tony Stormy out to the you know, get dragged.
- 12:22Speaker 4: He doesn't even he'll do that.
- 12:24Speaker 2: He needs to be in drag.
- 12:25Speaker 5: I need the walkout music, I need the I need Luther,
- 12:28Speaker 5: I need the whole I need.
- 12:30Speaker 4: Put him, put him in a mixed gender tag with Tony.
- 12:33Speaker 4: He'll do it now. It's perfect.
- 12:34Speaker 7: Oh my god, I am going to have nightmares about
- 12:41Speaker 7: ors Cassiley laying in the middle of the ring writhing
- 12:44Speaker 7: around sexually.
- 12:45Speaker 4: But like, think about, think about so he's he's evil
- 12:49Speaker 4: o C and he he does legit join the Callous Family,
- 12:52Speaker 4: and then when he becomes good guy again. The good
- 12:54Speaker 4: guy is always in whatever faction the Calous Family is
- 12:57Speaker 4: feuding with, So like they'll like sneak up to try
- 12:59Speaker 4: to get bad guy Cassidy before matches and stuff. This
- 13:05Speaker 4: is a status.
- 13:08Speaker 3: It is a It is a wonderfully stupid idea. It's
- 13:12Speaker 3: a fun idea, but it really is stupid, which is
- 13:15Speaker 3: perfect for this podcast and I love you for it.
- 13:19Speaker 2: I mean.
- 13:29Speaker 3: Speaking of stupid or preposterous and something that works. Tony
- 13:33Speaker 3: Storm is coming back to Hollywood, Florida this week. Look.
- 13:40Speaker 3: Uh there was some stuff that went down and start
- 13:43Speaker 3: them over the weekend where Suri Surrey actually challenged i
- 13:50Speaker 3: w GP Women's Champion Sire to a to a uh
- 13:57Speaker 3: i w GP championship match and he said no, because
- 14:01Speaker 3: my next defense is going to be overseas and we're
- 14:04Speaker 3: going to be uh revealing that match soon.
- 14:08Speaker 8: Well, all right, I got a dad, so so uh.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Siri posted earlier today that she's on a plane United
- 14:26Speaker 3: Airlines will look like as a matter of fact, so
- 14:28Speaker 3: she's definitely heading to the United States. I believe that
- 14:32Speaker 3: Tony Storm is going to be uh challenged by Sire
- 14:41Speaker 3: for Russell Dream tomorrow tomorrow night on on Dynamite, on
- 14:45Speaker 3: the sixth anniversary of Dynamite. But that's just my belief.
- 14:52Speaker 3: What what's what do you guys think is next for well,
- 14:57Speaker 3: for the champ or the tramp. She's not the champion anymore,
- 15:01Speaker 3: so what's sex for the tramp? That's my belief. I
- 15:04Speaker 3: think I think it's gonna be Suri and Tony Storm.
- 15:10Speaker 6: I don't know that wouldn't be bad for her to
- 15:12Speaker 6: go after that and maybe.
- 15:14Speaker 1: Do some stuff with that.
- 15:15Speaker 6: But she just got got rid of a championship. But
- 15:19Speaker 6: what's the different version I g w P in an
- 15:21Speaker 6: n j w P title.
- 15:27Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the New Japan time. Keep in mind
- 15:29Speaker 3: also keep in mind also that when Tony Storm lost
- 15:37Speaker 3: the title to Mariah May at all in I remember
- 15:43Speaker 3: she kind of that's when she kind of just wandered
- 15:45Speaker 3: off into the streets of London, uh. And then she
- 15:50Speaker 3: kind of wandered into New Japan and she did wrestle
- 15:56Speaker 3: then i w GP Women's Champion by U with Tani
- 16:01Speaker 3: and lost, and then wandered off into the streets of
- 16:06Speaker 3: Tokyo or wherever the hell in Japan that they were
- 16:09Speaker 3: at the time. I don't think it was Tokyo. Then
- 16:12Speaker 3: she went to New Uh, she went to not do Mexico.
- 16:15Speaker 3: She went to actual Mexico wrestled there. Well, she she
- 16:20Speaker 3: went to Mexico, wrestled there and lost and wandered off
- 16:24Speaker 3: into the streets of Mexico City. So my point is
- 16:28Speaker 3: is that she has gone and wrestled for the i
- 16:33Speaker 3: w GP Championship and lost and put over the current champion,
- 16:38Speaker 3: So this is not something that's like beneath her to do.
- 16:45Speaker 1: I can see it. Just give some time away.
- 16:50Speaker 6: I think she needs to a little bit maybe to
- 16:51Speaker 6: keep her keep her uh time, herself fresh, and her
- 16:57Speaker 6: gimmick bresh.
- 16:59Speaker 1: So we'll see what that good.
- 17:00Speaker 6: But I'm really interested in where stat Lander's going to
- 17:02Speaker 6: go to be honest, more than more than that Tony.
- 17:06Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's so two things Kelson. I didn't
- 17:11Speaker 4: know where they were going to go, and I didn't
- 17:13Speaker 4: know how to plug those two together. And I did
- 17:15Speaker 4: you know, I watched that stardom show I was talking
- 17:17Speaker 4: about in the chat, so I didn't know that was
- 17:18Speaker 4: part of the promo. I think that's great. That gets
- 17:22Speaker 4: her in the program away from the rest of the women,
- 17:24Speaker 4: because it's important that Chris is a Chris stat Lander
- 17:27Speaker 4: is able to establish her and if Tony is anywhere
- 17:31Speaker 4: in that orbit, she's going to pull too much attention
- 17:33Speaker 4: because she's so good. So this is a great way
- 17:36Speaker 4: to get her in her short term program, right to
- 17:39Speaker 4: the pay per view, and then afterwards when she loses
- 17:42Speaker 4: coming off your storyline, keep her off TV for a bit,
- 17:45Speaker 4: you know. Maybe she says she does not like mad
- 17:48Speaker 4: or crazy, but she's like, maybe Tony needs a vacation.
- 17:51Speaker 4: And then they do as they do the build of
- 17:53Speaker 4: Blood and Guts and they're looking for that fifth team member.
- 17:56Speaker 4: There's nobody on the women's roster I want more in
- 17:58Speaker 4: that match than Tony Storm. They find her in a
- 18:00Speaker 4: dimly lit room and she's like, I've been waiting for
- 18:02Speaker 4: you to call and like it just and that's how
- 18:04Speaker 4: she comes back on TV. I mean, it books itself,
- 18:07Speaker 4: but it gets her off to me and lets these
- 18:09Speaker 4: performers get more of that glow.
- 18:12Speaker 3: Well, well, I kind of agree with you on one thing,
- 18:16Speaker 3: actually a couple of things. I wouldn't mind seeing Tony
- 18:18Speaker 3: Storm in the Blood Cuts match. I agree with you
- 18:21Speaker 3: that she doesn't need to go after stat Lander, Mercedes Monet.
- 18:25Speaker 3: We've been there, We've done that. You know, I don't.
- 18:28Speaker 3: I said this last week, Tony Storm is so good
- 18:33Speaker 3: that she can be relevant without a title around her waist. However,
- 18:40Speaker 3: that being said, don't forget that we've probably got a
- 18:47Speaker 3: aw Women's Tag Team Championship tournament coming up that she
- 18:50Speaker 3: could participate in that, which would legitimize that tournament and
- 18:55Speaker 3: make it must see to a different extent, you know,
- 19:01Speaker 3: her and Mina. I mean, or you could pay thunder
- 19:03Speaker 3: Tits is right, there's.
- 19:04Speaker 4: Too yep, oh that's a good one, you know.
- 19:08Speaker 3: So well Thundertits, stuck, Thunderstorm, whatever you want to call it.
- 19:14Speaker 4: Yeah, well what Tony called it? Yeah, but anyway, Yeah,
- 19:22Speaker 4: you gotta let the division breathe a little bit, keep
- 19:24Speaker 4: her on TV and you know her being away for
- 19:27Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. When she does return, she's gonna
- 19:29Speaker 4: get a huge pot and you can plug her into
- 19:32Speaker 4: legitimate you know, blood and guts, or plug her into
- 19:34Speaker 4: that that tag tournament. That's a good idea.
- 19:36Speaker 3: Too, you know. But I love the idea, I really do.
- 19:40Speaker 3: I love the idea of Suri coming two a W
- 19:44Speaker 3: specifically to challenge Tony Storm for the iwg GP Women's Championship.
- 19:51Speaker 3: And of course, in no way, shape or form, should
- 19:54Speaker 3: Tony Storm win that title, she does not need it.
- 19:57Speaker 3: They should use this to put uh uh SII over.
- 20:01Speaker 3: Not that Sire really needs to be put over, because
- 20:04Speaker 3: she's fantastic, but you know, exposer, I don't think she's
- 20:09Speaker 3: ever had any exposure to an AAW crowd live, so
- 20:13Speaker 3: this would be great for sire although you know, American
- 20:17Speaker 3: audiences are somewhat familiar with Siri because she was Soirey
- 20:23Speaker 3: in WWE, which brings me to another thing, you know,
- 20:27Speaker 3: because WWE is partnering with Marigold right now, and although
- 20:35Speaker 3: they are sending WW is sending Eo Sky to Marigold
- 20:39Speaker 3: to have a match against Mayui Watani this month, well
- 20:46Speaker 3: next month. I'm sorry, Hey, you know, WWW really isn't
- 20:51Speaker 3: doing anything with Mayrigold, and Marigold is struggling, and meanwhile,
- 20:57Speaker 3: look at how much Awn Artem are working together. I mean,
- 21:02Speaker 3: it's been a constant. You know, it's not overdone, but
- 21:05Speaker 3: it's been a constant. We're bringing people in from stardom
- 21:08Speaker 3: to wrestle, like Bozilla and Azuumi and you know just
- 21:13Speaker 3: a you know, Mina shir Kaala obviously a Tekla, but
- 21:16Speaker 3: obviously we're getting you know, the partnership is working there,
- 21:21Speaker 3: and of course aw Assent, you know, and a Jay
- 21:24Speaker 3: over over there. Mercedes Monet wrestled, you know, on behalf
- 21:29Speaker 3: of Stardom, and so did Mina Shirkawa. Athena has been
- 21:35Speaker 3: over there for Wrussell Dynasty.
- 21:38Speaker 4: You know, they were new Japan Strong shows a lot
- 21:41Speaker 4: in the States here for him too.
- 21:43Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you know, that's what I'm saying. That's one
- 21:46Speaker 3: of the cool things about New Japan is that they
- 21:49Speaker 3: do have a strong championship, which is a United States
- 21:52Speaker 3: or North American championship, So it kind of forces you
- 21:58Speaker 3: to go and do that, which is good. You know,
- 22:05Speaker 3: I enjoy that. And then of course you also have
- 22:08Speaker 3: the Japanese Championship that cmlll and startup her partners on that.
- 22:17Speaker 3: So I mean the partnership is really working, is my point.
- 22:23Speaker 3: And Tony Storm has been a big part of it.
- 22:25Speaker 3: I mean, she's gone she like I said, she did
- 22:27Speaker 3: wrestle by Yubatani in stardom, you know, and and put
- 22:32Speaker 3: her over and now she's gonna probably do the same
- 22:35Speaker 3: thing for Suri.
- 22:37Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the nice things that's come out of
- 22:40Speaker 4: kind of the new global territory era, I guess you
- 22:43Speaker 4: could call it because you've really got two competing territory systems.
- 22:47Speaker 4: You've got the WWE territory system and the AW territory system.
- 22:52Speaker 4: But it's it's a little less top heavy than it
- 22:55Speaker 4: is on the WWE side, but it brings back a
- 22:59Speaker 4: lot of the similarities to the old territory system. They
- 23:02Speaker 4: had their own champs and then when somebody would get
- 23:04Speaker 4: you know, lose a little heat, they'd grown to a
- 23:07Speaker 4: new territory and they bring in a lot of new
- 23:09Speaker 4: energy and juice. And that's kind of the neat thing
- 23:12Speaker 4: is Forbidden Door gave us a taste of that really
- 23:16Speaker 4: early on, and that was the concept and now we
- 23:18Speaker 4: see it all the time, which is one of the
- 23:20Speaker 4: reasons for Biden Doors and seems so special. But you
- 23:23Speaker 4: really do get a lot of the benefit of that
- 23:25Speaker 4: old territory system and you have big stars that come
- 23:28Speaker 4: in and do some runs and go at and then
- 23:30Speaker 4: your your people go over there and bearing talent is
- 23:33Speaker 4: what keeps a lot of this stuff fresh. And it's
- 23:36Speaker 4: just a real treat. We're really really lucky as fans
- 23:38Speaker 4: right now.
- 23:39Speaker 3: We really yeah. I mean, when it comes to the
- 23:41Speaker 3: global territory, is you called it hey, w's crushing ww
- 23:46Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's not even close. You know, it's it's
- 23:50Speaker 3: something I agree.
- 23:52Speaker 4: Tell me is investing a lot on getting a really
- 23:54Speaker 4: solid footprint in the UK, like he wants to be
- 23:57Speaker 4: the UK's number one wrestling you know, promotion if they can.
- 24:02Speaker 4: That's why they're doing a lot more like that's that's
- 24:04Speaker 4: an area they really think they can grow since WWE's
- 24:09Speaker 4: attacking Europe broader, but they think they can get they
- 24:12Speaker 4: can get into UK and get a restaurant foot holder
- 24:14Speaker 4: as a member.
- 24:14Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll look at Pro Wrestling EVE Pro the
- 24:19Speaker 3: league which is actually part of our discord and posted today.
- 24:22Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, Will Osprey is one of
- 24:26Speaker 3: the producers of those shows. It's where Alex Winzer came from.
- 24:31Speaker 3: And Nile Rose is their women's champion right now. Chris
- 24:35Speaker 3: Statlander is their International Championship Champion right now. Uh. And
- 24:40Speaker 3: in recent weeks we've had Sky Blue, Julia Hart, Queen Amnada,
- 24:46Speaker 3: Tricia Dora. Uh. There's been many a W talents that
- 24:52Speaker 3: have gone over there. In the last i'd say three months,
- 24:56Speaker 3: it's got to be like seven or eight women from
- 24:58Speaker 3: AW they're going over there, which is great because they're
- 25:00Speaker 3: getting the exposure, they're getting the work that they wouldn't
- 25:03Speaker 3: be getting, you know, and it's always good to work
- 25:05Speaker 3: with somebody else. I'm going to be honest with you.
- 25:07Speaker 3: When you look at Pro Wrestling, Eve got Anita Vaughn,
- 25:10Speaker 3: You've got Sapphire Red, you've got Nina Samuels. These women
- 25:15Speaker 3: are terrific and I you know, and I and I've
- 25:18Speaker 3: left off a few, you know, to be honest with you,
- 25:20Speaker 3: I mean, I've watched the Pro Wrestling EVE shows and
- 25:25Speaker 3: they are highly entertainment and eighteen plus by the way, yeah,
- 25:30Speaker 3: not for kids, but really really entertaining with some really
- 25:37Speaker 3: good wrestlers. And when you look at like Anita Vaughn,
- 25:39Speaker 3: and I know Nina Samuels has wrestled at AW before,
- 25:43Speaker 3: like on the Dark Days, I believe he Anita Vaughn
- 25:46Speaker 3: has as well. I mean, this is the kind of
- 25:49Speaker 3: thing that if you know, if you can be set
- 25:54Speaker 3: by injuries, there's all kinds of work that can be done.
- 25:57Speaker 3: I mean a dublin. But my biggest point there is
- 26:00Speaker 3: that especially on the women's side, because let's face it,
- 26:04Speaker 3: the men's side with New Japan. New Japan's kind of
- 26:07Speaker 3: on a down period right now, so there's not a
- 26:11Speaker 3: whole lot that they can be done there. I mean,
- 26:13Speaker 3: Aw's sent to Keshto over there obviously and helped them
- 26:17Speaker 3: out with Takesha, and I believe Kevin Knight is also
- 26:19Speaker 3: on a dual contract with New Japan. But you know
- 26:23Speaker 3: the women side of AW is just super strong right now,
- 26:29Speaker 3: super strong not only in their roster, but in the
- 26:32Speaker 3: roster and stardom and Pro Wrestling EVE and whatnot. So yeah,
- 26:39Speaker 3: it's by the way, Pro Wrestling eves A has a
- 26:45Speaker 3: pay per view on Friday, I believe it's at three
- 26:48Speaker 3: pm Eastern time, and you can watch it. Obviously you
- 26:53Speaker 3: can go to the show if you live in England,
- 26:55Speaker 3: but if you want to watch Pro Wrestling EVE, you
- 26:57Speaker 3: can go on their YouTube channel. It is this ription
- 27:00Speaker 3: nine nine a month will be allow you to watch
- 27:03Speaker 3: not only their shows, but they're archived as well, and
- 27:07Speaker 3: it's well worth it. They are really good wrestlers, really good.
- 27:14Speaker 3: Love it. I've highly entertained, so give it a shot. Well,
- 27:21Speaker 3: let's move on because we saw something interesting this past week.
- 27:26Speaker 3: Ace Austin joined Bullet Club Gold. So now that we've
- 27:32Speaker 3: got three members of Bull Club Gold and hopefully they
- 27:34Speaker 3: can all stay healthy, where do you see Bull Club
- 27:39Speaker 3: Gold going from here?
- 27:41Speaker 1: Rios?
- 27:43Speaker 3: Do you think they'll go for the trios Championship?
- 27:47Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I don't know if they'll be
- 27:50Speaker 4: in trios matches because there's three of them. I think
- 27:52Speaker 4: they'll see we'll see a lot of tags too, but
- 27:56Speaker 4: a keep them on TV and their babyfaces right now,
- 28:00Speaker 4: they cut fun promos, They've got a really fun style.
- 28:03Speaker 4: Juice is super over. Keep them on TV. And when
- 28:07Speaker 4: you got baby faces like that, you want to pair
- 28:09Speaker 4: them up and feud them with the most annoying heels
- 28:11Speaker 4: you've got. And that's the Callous Family. They don't need
- 28:14Speaker 4: to be in the top, they don't need to be
- 28:16Speaker 4: feud with their big guys, but just have them be
- 28:18Speaker 4: a pain in the butt when Callous is feuding and
- 28:22Speaker 4: his big boy you know, Takesha or whatever and Okada's
- 28:26Speaker 4: screws him over and the Callous family is beating down.
- 28:28Speaker 4: Take the guns can be some of the people that
- 28:30Speaker 4: runs out, you know, because they're feuding with them. Like,
- 28:33Speaker 4: keep them with an annoying heel and keep them on
- 28:35Speaker 4: TV to get over so that as the other guys
- 28:37Speaker 4: come back, now you can plug them into a major
- 28:40Speaker 4: program as you'll have j White the other gun back.
- 28:43Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, we'll let me ask you a question. I
- 28:50Speaker 3: know how to phrase this, but everybody that we've talked about, Orange, Cassidy,
- 28:57Speaker 3: Bullet Club Gold all gone back to the don At
- 29:02Speaker 3: what point do we not need to involve don Kallis
- 29:05Speaker 3: family and everything? I mean, do you think that maybe
- 29:09Speaker 3: you know that the that the don Kallis family should
- 29:13Speaker 3: be left out of this and like you said, go
- 29:15Speaker 3: to the.
- 29:15Speaker 4: Ops, Well no, I mean that's that's who they're feuding with.
- 29:19Speaker 4: They got the belts, they're they're the big heel faction now.
- 29:22Speaker 4: I mean they're the biggest heel faction right now by size.
- 29:26Speaker 4: So yeah, Kyle Fletcher's the top draw form right now.
- 29:32Speaker 4: They're the big heel faction. And so if you've got babyfaces,
- 29:36Speaker 4: you're gonna feud them with a big heel faction. The
- 29:38Speaker 4: second heel faction is the Death Writers, and they're feuding
- 29:41Speaker 4: with the Ops right now on Derby. So like they're occupied,
- 29:44Speaker 4: which is why I didn't bring them up. Callus still
- 29:46Speaker 4: has a lot of bodies just because they're so big.
- 29:49Speaker 3: Use it.
- 29:51Speaker 6: Yeah, for now, they're going to have to be on
- 29:53Speaker 6: it until the big names come back, I.
- 29:56Speaker 4: Think any more heels. Hey it works time all right?
- 30:01Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well.
- 30:05Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you easily just put him against
- 30:08Speaker 2: like Rocky Romero, Lance Art or Alexander you know, do
- 30:14Speaker 2: that a few times, then you know, maybe they have
- 30:18Speaker 2: Saro in one, or there's a lot of options because
- 30:22Speaker 2: there's like ninety seven people in the John Cowis.
- 30:25Speaker 3: Yea, right, well, Donald, you know, it doesn't necessarily have
- 30:30Speaker 3: to be going for a belt right away, so you know,
- 30:34Speaker 3: you could also go again. I think one of the
- 30:39Speaker 3: strengths of AW right Now is that there's a lot
- 30:41Speaker 3: of storylines that have no titles involved in them. Don't forget.
- 30:45Speaker 3: You've got the Hurt Syndicate sitting right there, and the
- 30:48Speaker 3: Hurt Syndicate I've seen multiple times this week where MVP
- 30:53Speaker 3: is saying that he wants to add another member to
- 30:56Speaker 3: the cert Hurt Syndicate, a young high flyers. Typically he
- 31:01Speaker 3: didn't allude to who he was talking about, but maybe
- 31:05Speaker 3: he doesn't even have anybody in mind, but that's what
- 31:07Speaker 3: he wants, so and I think that would be a
- 31:11Speaker 3: great addition to the Hurt Syndicate. And you know, again,
- 31:15Speaker 3: you don't have to have a title. It doesn't have
- 31:17Speaker 3: to be a title for you. It could just be
- 31:20Speaker 3: a you know, a rivalry. Yeah, who is a w
- 31:24Speaker 3: R A.
- 31:25Speaker 2: Or r O ah really fits that role right now,
- 31:29Speaker 2: Kevin Knight. Yeah, they're too good as a team. Yeah,
- 31:38Speaker 2: the other one that really comes to mind is.
- 31:46Speaker 3: Said when you said that time, the first guy that
- 31:48Speaker 3: came to my mind was Lee Johnson, and.
- 31:52Speaker 2: He would say, I just I mean him and Blake
- 31:55Speaker 2: Christman are working well together, doing pretty good in r
- 31:57Speaker 2: O AH, So do you pull him away from that
- 31:59Speaker 2: for something that may or may not work for him?
- 32:04Speaker 3: Right?
- 32:06Speaker 4: I think you make that work for him. He's got
- 32:08Speaker 4: a great he's a good looking dude. You put him
- 32:11Speaker 4: in a suit, he's gonna look incredible. He doesn't. And
- 32:14Speaker 4: they're not like they're not heels, they're just mean guys,
- 32:20Speaker 4: if that makes sense, and he needs a little something
- 32:23Speaker 4: and he and I think being in that group, especially
- 32:26Speaker 4: working with MVP and how smart he is and how
- 32:29Speaker 4: to really get things across and develop stuff, I think
- 32:32Speaker 4: he'd benefit from it a lot. I think that was
- 32:33Speaker 4: a really good suggestion.
- 32:34Speaker 2: Actually, I did notice during that tag match when they
- 32:38Speaker 2: announced them it was the swirl, he kind of rolled
- 32:41Speaker 2: his eyes and like he's made no secrets that he
- 32:44Speaker 2: doesn't like that name. Yeah, maybe Blake Christian's antics get
- 32:49Speaker 2: on his nerves enough, like just like take this shiit seriously, dude,
- 32:54Speaker 2: you don't want to these guys, do.
- 32:58Speaker 6: I really wouldn't mind seeing those to join together on
- 33:02Speaker 6: on Hurt Syndicate and be their tag team because I
- 33:05Speaker 6: like Blake Christian, I really do. It would put some
- 33:08Speaker 6: Flake and put somebody else in there, and they don't
- 33:12Speaker 6: have to be an all black team. They can be
- 33:15Speaker 6: you know, m Jeff isn't it for a little bit,
- 33:16Speaker 6: so it doesn't have to be that.
- 33:18Speaker 2: But yeah, but what happened they added another white boy.
- 33:23Speaker 4: Well Jars teams, so I think would work just fine.
- 33:28Speaker 3: And the Hurt Syndicate, yeah, I meanndic it has to
- 33:35Speaker 3: match well.
- 33:37Speaker 6: But but Christian Blake can Blake Christian Blake Christian.
- 33:43Speaker 1: Yeah, but like Christian could.
- 33:46Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you're the Hurt Syndicate, why would you
- 33:51Speaker 3: take Blake Christian? You know, why would you take John?
- 33:57Speaker 3: But he's not a winner, and he's not he's the
- 34:01Speaker 3: he's the kind of guy who gets the crap you
- 34:04Speaker 3: pretty well on.
- 34:06Speaker 1: I wish in there, but I don't see that happening.
- 34:11Speaker 3: That's that's not going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. My My
- 34:21Speaker 3: point is is that they're looking for a high younger,
- 34:23Speaker 3: high flyer. That's what m v P said. I don't
- 34:27Speaker 3: really think Blake Christian is a younger high flyer. I'm sorry,
- 34:31Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't think he fits. I don't,
- 34:33Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think he fits the mold I
- 34:36Speaker 3: think more likely than not, Blake Christian is along the
- 34:41Speaker 3: Frankly speaking, he's along the Lee Moriarty type of wrestler.
- 34:45Speaker 3: You know, he's a he's more of a technical guy,
- 34:49Speaker 3: a pure, pure guy who could partner with Lee Moriarty,
- 34:53Speaker 3: no problem. I don't see him having a problem with that.
- 34:57Speaker 3: But I just don't think he's a He's a hurt
- 35:00Speaker 3: into kind of guy.
- 35:02Speaker 2: He does all kinds of crazy high flying moves, though
- 35:04Speaker 2: he is absolutely a high flyer.
- 35:07Speaker 4: Yeah, he looks like fire than Lee Jompson is.
- 35:10Speaker 2: Like you got them reverse. You can't make Lee Johnson's
- 35:16Speaker 2: more technical. Blake Christian's more of a high flyer.
- 35:19Speaker 4: You can't make Blake Christian look intimidating. I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah,
- 35:25Speaker 4: that's yeah. Why it doesn't work. It doesn't matter how
- 35:28Speaker 4: what a style is like he's he won't look. Yeah,
- 35:33Speaker 4: you will not look the part. That's that's fine.
- 35:36Speaker 3: He look when it comes to high flyers, and uh
- 35:39Speaker 3: why not. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Eddie Kingston yet because
- 35:44Speaker 3: you know, well there you go. But anyway, lots of
- 35:47Speaker 3: move on, don't AW did finally announce because everybody we
- 35:54Speaker 3: we were speculating about this on the AW pant hubs subreddit,
- 35:58Speaker 3: you know, this week. I think we even talked about
- 36:00Speaker 3: it on the podcast last week with when are they
- 36:04Speaker 3: going to do Blood and Guts? Well, they announced that
- 36:07Speaker 3: Blood and Guts is going to take place on November
- 36:09Speaker 3: twelfth on a W Dynamite Dynamite in Greensboro, South Carolina.
- 36:16Speaker 3: The question is is it just going to be the
- 36:18Speaker 3: women's Blood and Guts or is it going to be
- 36:20Speaker 3: the men's Blood and Guts as well? Are they going
- 36:23Speaker 3: to do two Blood and Guts matches in one evening?
- 36:26Speaker 2: I think? I think, I think the I think the
- 36:31Speaker 2: men's kicks off to show the women's main events.
- 36:34Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
- 36:36Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I.
- 36:38Speaker 1: Think us versus don callous family.
- 36:45Speaker 4: I don't think you should do TOO. I think it's
- 36:47Speaker 4: just the women this time. I don't. I don't think
- 36:50Speaker 4: TOO is smart. I don't think the crowd will make
- 36:52Speaker 4: it through too. Yeah, if you do TOO, it's not special,
- 36:56Speaker 4: It's it's one Blood and Guts match this year the
- 36:59Speaker 4: women have it, give them a ladder match or something instead, but.
- 37:05Speaker 6: More involved in it, and maybe that's fine something.
- 37:10Speaker 2: The main reason I think it's both is because there's
- 37:15Speaker 2: a decent amount of time until Like, why have Jamie
- 37:19Speaker 2: hay Or yelled blood and Guts this week if it's
- 37:23Speaker 2: not happening for six weeks?
- 37:27Speaker 4: Got to build a team, so they.
- 37:29Speaker 2: Can also build up, so they can build the women's
- 37:31Speaker 2: teams and the men's teams. The men well, the men's matches,
- 37:35Speaker 2: because there's already a built in one there. I mean,
- 37:39Speaker 2: Death Riders, Darby, Hangman Ops. There's your deal, but you
- 37:45Speaker 2: need to build it up where but there's stuff in
- 37:48Speaker 2: between that they got to get through, and that's where
- 37:51Speaker 2: Darby can be like, you lose, you're done.
- 37:57Speaker 3: Well. I have to go with Burry on this one.
- 38:01Speaker 3: I absolutely do think that this is a women's Blood
- 38:05Speaker 3: and Guts and the men should take the year off.
- 38:11Speaker 3: We don't need two blood and Guts matches. The men
- 38:15Speaker 3: match would be senseless to me at this point. It
- 38:18Speaker 3: would be overkill and frankly probably be a little bit boring.
- 38:23Speaker 3: You know I too, Yeah, unintentionally, I just don't think
- 38:28Speaker 3: that I let the women cook you know, let them
- 38:34Speaker 3: have their moment. Now. One thing that I absolutely do
- 38:38Speaker 3: not want to see. Look, i've criticized a W for
- 38:43Speaker 3: having these four on four, five on five, you know,
- 38:50Speaker 3: eight man, eight women, all star five hundred K matches
- 38:57Speaker 3: leading up to Blood and Guts. They absolutely do not
- 39:01Speaker 3: need to do any of that anymore. Sure, put them
- 39:04Speaker 3: in tag matches, put them in singles matches. The participants
- 39:09Speaker 3: that are going to be in Blood and Guts do
- 39:11Speaker 3: that singles matches and tag matches, and that's it. You
- 39:15Speaker 3: can't have four on four matches and then have a
- 39:18Speaker 3: Blood and Guts with the same women just in a cage.
- 39:23Speaker 2: Five on five. Thing they could do is five singles
- 39:26Speaker 2: matches like a series. Basically each person on the team
- 39:30Speaker 2: wrestles person on the opposing team, and three wins they
- 39:34Speaker 2: get the advantage.
- 39:37Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's true.
- 39:38Speaker 3: That's very very good idea.
- 39:40Speaker 4: I thought about this a lot. And since this occurs
- 39:43Speaker 4: after the pay per view, here's how I boocket. So
- 39:46Speaker 4: between now and kind of the pay per view, we've
- 39:49Speaker 4: seen all of the women. They're feuding with each other
- 39:51Speaker 4: right now, So like each week calson to your point,
- 39:55Speaker 4: that's who we see. Russell on TV, So they're wrestling
- 39:58Speaker 4: each other leading up to but they're not necessarily wrestling
- 40:01Speaker 4: each other already on the team. So we get each
- 40:04Speaker 4: of those feuds and they remind us each week, and
- 40:06Speaker 4: then each of those will peel off to one team
- 40:08Speaker 4: or the other, And so between now and up to
- 40:11Speaker 4: the pay per view, that's how you start to establish
- 40:13Speaker 4: the team. And then at the pay per view, put
- 40:15Speaker 4: a stipulation match for Glund and Guts. The captain of
- 40:19Speaker 4: each team has somebody out there with them or whoever,
- 40:22Speaker 4: and the winning team is the one that starts it
- 40:25Speaker 4: gets the first entrant in which.
- 40:26Speaker 3: Gives gets gets the advantage, right.
- 40:29Speaker 4: And that's one of the things I want to see
- 40:30Speaker 4: them start doing is building between the pay per views
- 40:33Speaker 4: and the super shows and kind of relate them more together.
- 40:36Speaker 4: But that's a way you can get a women's match
- 40:38Speaker 4: that doesn't involve a title with a lot of significance
- 40:41Speaker 4: on the pay per view, right.
- 40:43Speaker 3: But again, the reason I had even mentioned having some
- 40:46Speaker 3: tag matches because got the women's tag team and those
- 40:51Speaker 3: are important. I mean, we can't ignore them and then
- 40:55Speaker 3: just crown a champion. I you know, I saw somebody
- 40:59Speaker 3: post down aw Fano but I'm not gonna call the
- 41:02Speaker 3: names what they posted. Oh you know, wreussell dream. My
- 41:05Speaker 3: dreamatch would be Tony Storm and Mina Sheri Kalla against
- 41:08Speaker 3: whoever for the AW World Tag Team a w Women's
- 41:12Speaker 3: Texting Champions. I'm like, no, that's too soon and it
- 41:15Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. There's no build. You got to
- 41:18Speaker 3: build toward it, you know.
- 41:20Speaker 1: So are they doing?
- 41:24Speaker 6: Are they doing two this year type thing for women's
- 41:28Speaker 6: or what they said what they're doing.
- 41:30Speaker 2: They haven't said anything about it. I think they have titles.
- 41:36Speaker 2: I'm hoping for like a sixteen team deal and bring
- 41:40Speaker 2: in some teams from CMLL and start even.
- 41:47Speaker 3: For sure.
- 41:50Speaker 4: And they talked about the C two. I think Tonya
- 41:53Speaker 4: mentioned or somebody in an interview that they want the
- 41:56Speaker 4: women and women's because the C two takes a significant
- 41:59Speaker 4: period of time, they up and running on like opposite
- 42:01Speaker 4: parts of the year, So like the women's would be
- 42:03Speaker 4: the spring, the men's would be the fall because then
- 42:06Speaker 4: the Owen is a much shorter tournament, so it doesn't
- 42:09Speaker 4: really matter. But because the C two takes you know,
- 42:11Speaker 4: two months to run, they'd want them back half as
- 42:14Speaker 4: the year. So if they do run run of women's
- 42:16Speaker 4: it'll be kind of like that, I think.
- 42:18Speaker 3: Well, you know, the question is that the men's C
- 42:22Speaker 3: two has a definite end goal, you know, the title.
- 42:27Speaker 3: What does the women's SEE two have a shot at
- 42:30Speaker 3: the Would it be like the the one in start
- 42:35Speaker 3: in the Stardom they have the five Star Grand Prix
- 42:39Speaker 3: and the winner of that gets to pick who they
- 42:42Speaker 3: want to pace. Normally it's for a title, you know,
- 42:46Speaker 3: but they don't have to pick for like the World
- 42:49Speaker 3: of Stardom champion, you know, or the Startom World champion.
- 42:52Speaker 3: They go for anybody. But uh yeah, I mean they've
- 42:59Speaker 3: got to establish it to do the C too. One
- 43:01Speaker 3: of the weaknesses, and I've said this bore, one of
- 43:03Speaker 3: the weaknesses with a W is that they say, okay,
- 43:06Speaker 3: we're gonna have a tournament, and then they don't announce
- 43:08Speaker 3: a bracket. They kind of dynamically announced the bracket a
- 43:12Speaker 3: lot of times instead of just here's the bracket. This
- 43:15Speaker 3: is what we're doing.
- 43:16Speaker 6: Uh.
- 43:17Speaker 3: Now, they've done well with the C two in announcing
- 43:20Speaker 3: the entire brackets, but when they've done things like uh,
- 43:24Speaker 3: tag team brackets and stuff like that. Remember when they
- 43:27Speaker 3: did the blind thing that got MJF and Adam Cole together.
- 43:33Speaker 3: They just kind of made the teams as they went,
- 43:36Speaker 3: you know, and it just didn't make a haul of
- 43:38Speaker 3: a lot of sense.
- 43:39Speaker 2: Well, it was a different scenario that was to be
- 43:42Speaker 2: a blind team. So it's like, we don't know who
- 43:45Speaker 2: the teams are. They don't know who the teams are,
- 43:49Speaker 2: but we also we also didn't know.
- 43:51Speaker 3: We also didn't know if okay, it's Tuesday, or we
- 43:54Speaker 3: having a tag team match for this in this tournament
- 43:58Speaker 3: on Wednesday. It was it was horrible booking that.
- 44:03Speaker 4: It was fun. It was fun.
- 44:06Speaker 3: Because it was fun because of Adam Cole and m JF.
- 44:10Speaker 3: Because let's face it, the entire purpose of that was
- 44:13Speaker 3: to get Adam Cole and MJU together. There was no
- 44:16Speaker 3: other reason for.
- 44:19Speaker 9: Up.
- 44:21Speaker 2: I'm sorry, so uh didn't. Lance Arzer and Brian Cage
- 44:25Speaker 2: also came up during that tournament.
- 44:28Speaker 3: I anybody that teamed up that it was only about
- 44:33Speaker 3: Adam Cole and MGF. I couldn't tell you who was
- 44:36Speaker 3: in that tournament.
- 44:38Speaker 2: I remember Brian Cage teaming up with someone and then
- 44:41Speaker 2: being a solid team. I think the team that m
- 44:45Speaker 2: JF and Adam Cole beat in the finals.
- 44:50Speaker 4: So it was something you said earlier reminded me of
- 44:54Speaker 4: something I had come across. Remember, they had to run
- 44:58Speaker 4: a they did a tournament early or for something, and
- 45:02Speaker 4: they couldn't finish fleshing out in the brackets, and everybody
- 45:04Speaker 4: thought it was stupid. If it turns out, Tony had
- 45:06Speaker 4: people planned and they got hurt and so we had
- 45:08Speaker 4: to kind of rewrite the brackets. From what I understand,
- 45:11Speaker 4: this is a similar case where Tony had to make
- 45:14Speaker 4: this announcement because of the plans on how they have
- 45:16Speaker 4: stuff rolled out, but they don't have some talent that
- 45:19Speaker 4: they were looking to use. I'm assuming, and I didn't
- 45:23Speaker 4: put it together a minute ago, that some of that
- 45:24Speaker 4: talent may be from d MLLL or Stardom that they
- 45:28Speaker 4: want to bring in for a couple of shows. That
- 45:31Speaker 4: might make sense why they haven't announced anything yet because
- 45:33Speaker 4: they haven't secured the dates for the people be able
- 45:38Speaker 4: to use them.
- 45:39Speaker 3: I mean, Mace Ruga has already said that she wants
- 45:45Speaker 3: to team up with Emmy Sakra in the you know
- 45:49Speaker 3: in this, and there's been other teams that are in
- 45:55Speaker 3: you know the indies that have expressed interest said, hey,
- 46:00Speaker 3: you know aw is doing this let's team up and
- 46:02Speaker 3: let's go for it. So this could be a bigger
- 46:05Speaker 3: thing than we're expecting.
- 46:08Speaker 4: Do a do a twelve person team like the C
- 46:10Speaker 4: two and they do four matches and then the top
- 46:14Speaker 4: six or the top eight go into the elimination round.
- 46:17Speaker 4: So it's you know, four matches, semis in the finals,
- 46:20Speaker 4: and boom. You had a fun three month program right there. Yeah,
- 46:24Speaker 4: every matches stakes, you know.
- 46:26Speaker 3: Yeah, you can have an eight to eight tournament, maybe
- 46:29Speaker 3: a double elimination tournament, and you could have four or
- 46:33Speaker 3: five six eliminator matches to get into the tournament.
- 46:36Speaker 4: They have booked very compelling C twos every year. They
- 46:39Speaker 4: know how to book these tournaments with a lot of drama.
- 46:42Speaker 3: Yeah, except for the first one. The first one sucked.
- 46:46Speaker 2: The last time it yeah, it is a possible winner.
- 46:52Speaker 3: Well, the reason I say to the C two the
- 46:54Speaker 3: first C two sucked is that the matches were good.
- 46:59Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, the matches for By and Marge
- 47:01Speaker 3: were good. But they telegraphed too the winner was going
- 47:04Speaker 3: to be before he even started. Everybody on this podcast
- 47:07Speaker 3: knew who the winner of the first C two was
- 47:10Speaker 3: going to be. It was kind of pointless. The second
- 47:12Speaker 3: one was so much better.
- 47:15Speaker 2: Yeah, so much especially since the winner was just such
- 47:19Speaker 2: an awful choice.
- 47:20Speaker 6: Well, but we found out I think we found out
- 47:24Speaker 6: why he won. And like Tony and Eddie had been
- 47:29Speaker 6: hanging out, so maybe that's why he chose him. I
- 47:33Speaker 6: don't know, but it wasn't a good choice.
- 47:35Speaker 3: But yeah, but it was. It was stupid. I don't
- 47:38Speaker 3: know if you remember this, but when they announced the brackets,
- 47:41Speaker 3: they did it via a a YouTube show and Eddie
- 47:47Speaker 3: Kingston shows up on the YouTube show, YouTube show, and
- 47:50Speaker 3: he had two belts at the time. I can't remember
- 47:52Speaker 3: which one it was. Eddie announces on the YouTube show
- 47:55Speaker 3: he's putting up his two belts and entering the tournament.
- 48:00Speaker 3: At that point we knew that Eddie Kingston in the tournament.
- 48:03Speaker 3: They were going to take the Eddie New Japan Belt
- 48:07Speaker 3: off of Eddie Kingston a n n A W tournament.
- 48:12Speaker 4: Listen.
- 48:12Speaker 3: Yeah, but my point is that it ruined. It ruined
- 48:16Speaker 3: the tournament. And there's nothing against Eddie Kingston here. It's
- 48:19Speaker 3: it's just that you can't telegraph something that badly.
- 48:23Speaker 4: Yes, yes you can, Yes he can. You absolutely can.
- 48:27Speaker 4: Tell me a time you went to a movie and
- 48:29Speaker 4: did not expect the good guy to win.
- 48:33Speaker 1: Eddie wasn't.
- 48:34Speaker 2: That's different.
- 48:36Speaker 4: No, it isn't. Stop thinking, stop thinking about professional wrestling
- 48:42Speaker 4: like sports and reality, and think of it as a
- 48:43Speaker 4: TV show. That series was based on an establishing Eddie
- 48:48Speaker 4: is the underdog with all three belts and the most
- 48:50Speaker 4: stakes on the line, and that turned into following Eddie
- 48:53Speaker 4: to pursue his dream. That was the story. That was
- 48:56Speaker 4: the season they've been in there. Now you're the best
- 48:59Speaker 4: and most compelled character. No, it wasn't. But we knew,
- 49:03Speaker 4: like you said, from the get go, he was going
- 49:05Speaker 4: to be the guy that got it because that's that
- 49:07Speaker 4: was what the season was about. He was the main character.
- 49:10Speaker 3: I have to disagree with you here bury it, but
- 49:13Speaker 3: I disagree with I mean to disagree with your analogy.
- 49:15Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you why you made a good
- 49:18Speaker 3: analogy saying what you did about the movie. Okay, but
- 49:22Speaker 3: there's a difference between a two hour movie and a
- 49:25Speaker 3: tournament that has many matches over many weeks. When you
- 49:30Speaker 3: enter a tournament that's going to take a month and
- 49:33Speaker 3: a half and you know days before the tournament who's
- 49:37Speaker 3: going to win it no matter what it takes, the
- 49:42Speaker 3: luster away from it. I'm sorry it does. What's the
- 49:46Speaker 3: point of watching a match, you know you I don't
- 49:49Speaker 3: even remember who was in there. But like if you
- 49:51Speaker 3: have a dream match, put you know whoever against whoever.
- 49:57Speaker 3: You know, it's not gonna matter because it's not Eddie Kingston.
- 50:00Speaker 3: Eddie Kinkson is going to win the tournament. So it's
- 50:02Speaker 3: not even good or it's not even good. And the
- 50:06Speaker 3: other thing is the other thing about your analogy that
- 50:08Speaker 3: doesn't work for me.
- 50:10Speaker 4: It does, I'll tell you no.
- 50:12Speaker 3: The other analogy that it doesn't work for me is that, yes,
- 50:16Speaker 3: you may be righted that the good guy is going
- 50:18Speaker 3: to win. When you go to a movie, you always
- 50:20Speaker 3: expect a good guy to win most of the time.
- 50:23Speaker 3: But there were more than one good guys.
- 50:26Speaker 4: So in the tournament, my analogy works at the end.
- 50:29Speaker 4: Remember when I said they have to be a compelling character.
- 50:33Speaker 4: That's why it failed. It's not that the story had
- 50:36Speaker 4: a problem, it's that the character just wasn't compelling enough.
- 50:40Speaker 4: There are a lot of people who like Eddie Kingston.
- 50:42Speaker 4: I like Eddie Kinson. I enjoyed the story, but Eddie
- 50:45Speaker 4: Kingson is a niche wrestler. Most fans enjoy him for
- 50:49Speaker 4: who he is. But the fans that are really in
- 50:51Speaker 4: him are really into him for specific reason. It's a
- 50:53Speaker 4: niche thing that wasn't going to work. The story idea
- 50:59Speaker 4: was fine, and they've done it and everyone just more
- 51:01Speaker 4: successful than the first season. They just had the wrong
- 51:03Speaker 4: character for that story.
- 51:06Speaker 1: Yeah, but he beat like Daniel.
- 51:09Speaker 4: He wasn't compelling enough. He wasn't.
- 51:12Speaker 1: That's that's not believable to me.
- 51:14Speaker 3: No, yeah, that that is that was It was imposterous.
- 51:18Speaker 4: Just wasn't compelling enough.
- 51:19Speaker 3: No, it wasn't executed. Yeah, I mean, the.
- 51:24Speaker 4: Story wasn't a better idet. It just wasn't compelling enough.
- 51:27Speaker 2: You should have been the dogs who lost four in
- 51:30Speaker 2: a row and then won his final match, not the
- 51:33Speaker 2: guy who won the whole tournament.
- 51:36Speaker 3: Well, honestly, when we were doing the podcast, every one
- 51:41Speaker 3: of us picked Eddie Kingston to win the tournament. Uh,
- 51:44Speaker 3: every one of us picked Eddie Kingston to lose his
- 51:48Speaker 3: first match, the only surprise in the entire tournament. In
- 51:53Speaker 3: the entire tournament, the only surprise was that Eddie Kingston
- 51:56Speaker 3: lost the second match. None of us expected that that
- 52:00Speaker 3: was the only surprise in the entire tournament. Is that
- 52:03Speaker 3: Eddie Kingston lost the second match, and when he lost
- 52:06Speaker 3: the second match, and he had guys like Danielson and
- 52:09Speaker 3: Moxley and whoever in front of him who were much
- 52:12Speaker 3: more accomplished and much better wrestlers. Look, I understand that
- 52:16Speaker 3: Eddie Kingston was like the the underdog, you know, the
- 52:21Speaker 3: little red engine that could, or whatever you want to
- 52:24Speaker 3: call it. You know, but it doesn't take away from
- 52:28Speaker 3: the fact that, as as Barry said, it wasn't executed
- 52:33Speaker 3: really well, and as I said, it was kind of
- 52:36Speaker 3: really far patched to preposterous.
- 52:38Speaker 4: Well, I don't fault Eddie for that, like I said.
- 52:41Speaker 3: No, not at all.
- 52:42Speaker 4: It's just the story was not compelling enough to a
- 52:46Speaker 4: wide enough audience. Like I said, I really enjoyed it.
- 52:49Speaker 4: I really did, because I like his character, but it's
- 52:52Speaker 4: not a broad enough character for it to work in
- 52:54Speaker 4: that tournament.
- 52:57Speaker 3: My thing was is that I liked the When I
- 53:00Speaker 3: I looked at the very first C two, I looked
- 53:03Speaker 3: at the matches as matches. I didn't look at them
- 53:06Speaker 3: as tournament matches because I knew that Eddy Kingston was
- 53:09Speaker 3: going to win. I was just enjoying the matches for
- 53:11Speaker 3: what they were, and.
- 53:13Speaker 10: Yeah, and I didn't feel like, you know, there were
- 53:17Speaker 10: some matches in there that I didn't even have to
- 53:21Speaker 10: watch because they didn't make sense.
- 53:24Speaker 1: Spiller, they got.
- 53:26Speaker 4: It was the first time they did it, and that
- 53:28Speaker 4: was a narrative they tried to use for that tournament,
- 53:30Speaker 4: and it is a perfectly fine narrative approach. The second time.
- 53:34Speaker 4: Third times, they took a different approach and it worked
- 53:38Speaker 4: much better the second time. And that is their model.
- 53:40Speaker 4: That's the model they used going for.
- 53:42Speaker 3: The second second time. That's so much better. Yeah.
- 53:44Speaker 4: Yeah, it just takes a while to figure out the
- 53:47Speaker 4: model you're going to book.
- 53:48Speaker 2: It's very instance of the sequel being better than the original.
- 53:53Speaker 3: You know, it was much better. And like I said,
- 53:55Speaker 3: I think it just came down to you know, and
- 53:58Speaker 3: it has really nothing to do with ed Kingston per se.
- 54:01Speaker 3: It's just that when they announced the brackets and they
- 54:04Speaker 3: had Eddie Kingston come out and and announced that he
- 54:08Speaker 3: was joining and he was putting his two belts up,
- 54:11Speaker 3: it just kind of rooted the tournament for me, because
- 54:13Speaker 3: you knew who was gonna win before the tournament even started.
- 54:18Speaker 3: Had had it been Orange Cassie, or had it been
- 54:20Speaker 3: John Moxley, had it been claudio casting. Only anybody that
- 54:24Speaker 3: had two belts and done the same thing they were
- 54:26Speaker 3: knew that they were gonna win. It's not Eddie Kingston
- 54:29Speaker 3: hate it's just poor. It was telegraphing who was gonna win.
- 54:33Speaker 3: I mean it just sucked every single ounce of you
- 54:38Speaker 3: know doubt. I don't know who was gonna win. And again,
- 54:42Speaker 3: like I said, I watched the tournament and I just
- 54:44Speaker 3: watched them as matches. I didn't watch them as tournament matches.
- 54:48Speaker 3: I didn't care. I just watched them.
- 54:52Speaker 2: There were some really great match.
- 54:56Speaker 4: Guys. I got to see the mocks J White first
- 55:00Speaker 4: Rickman Final live in the front. I posted the video
- 55:02Speaker 4: of when they fought past in front of me. That
- 55:04Speaker 4: was that match. Yeah, triple threat that Max one to
- 55:08Speaker 4: face Eddie.
- 55:10Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was Kingston.
- 55:17Speaker 1: Well it move on.
- 55:20Speaker 2: Yeah, there are two other mess that were really.
- 55:25Speaker 3: Well. Let's go on to our pot Pourrix. Uh does
- 55:29Speaker 3: anybody have anything in that they want to talk about?
- 55:31Speaker 3: As far as pop Purri goes.
- 55:36Speaker 4: I do. I will be at the Collision taping on
- 55:41Speaker 4: Thursday in Lakeland, Florida. First time doing four seats at
- 55:44Speaker 4: an aw show. Usually I'm up a couple of rows,
- 55:48Speaker 4: but I'll be third row right, should be on camera
- 55:50Speaker 4: most of the time. So if you see a tall,
- 55:52Speaker 4: handsome fellow with a black T shirt, that says cool
- 55:55Speaker 4: soup lex Bro and I look forward to taking a
- 55:59Speaker 4: bunch of great pictures and sharing them on the discord.
- 56:03Speaker 1: Nice.
- 56:04Speaker 3: That sounds good. And uh I was about to ask,
- 56:07Speaker 3: if you see a tall handsome bro in the first row,
- 56:10Speaker 3: you're sitting next to them. I thought you were going
- 56:12Speaker 3: to say that, so but yeah, so this is not
- 56:18Speaker 3: a live show. Then it's a taping for the following Saturday.
- 56:22Speaker 4: I think it's taping for Saturday. I don't think it's
- 56:24Speaker 4: live this Thursday.
- 56:26Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's cool.
- 56:27Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the next two collisions are going to
- 56:30Speaker 2: be tight.
- 56:31Speaker 4: This on a two hours. Lakeland's only like a two
- 56:36Speaker 4: hour drive from Hollywood, so you know, it's just right
- 56:41Speaker 4: up the road for them.
- 56:43Speaker 3: Yeah, I have I have family in Lakeland, and you
- 56:46Speaker 3: know I would be like, just go and go to
- 56:50Speaker 3: the show.
- 56:52Speaker 4: But it's more than two and a half hours. But
- 56:54Speaker 4: it's not a far drive. It'll take me a bit
- 56:58Speaker 4: to get there from Orlando.
- 56:59Speaker 3: But well, anybody else have Appropria didn't want to bring up.
- 57:04Speaker 1: I do, But.
- 57:07Speaker 11: Did anybody, Okay, this is kind of a WWE thing too,
- 57:10Speaker 11: did anybody I've been made aware that there's a day
- 57:13Speaker 11: where n XT and and uh AW have a show
- 57:19Speaker 11: on the same day.
- 57:21Speaker 2: Yeah, title Tuesday.
- 57:22Speaker 3: I think it's yeah, title Tuesday for AW going to
- 57:27Speaker 3: get showdown. Well, it's not called invasion, it's called showdown.
- 57:34Speaker 3: They changed.
- 57:36Speaker 1: I don't understand why they changed it. I think it
- 57:39Speaker 1: was a dumb move to do.
- 57:41Speaker 6: People are calling tone deaf, but maybe I'm missing something.
- 57:45Speaker 1: I don't know what.
- 57:47Speaker 3: Are you talking about as far as why they don't know?
- 57:49Speaker 1: Why they why they change the name?
- 57:52Speaker 3: Why did they change the name from invasion to Showdown?
- 57:55Speaker 3: Is that what you're asking? Yes, Invasion is taking place
- 58:00Speaker 3: or was going to take place before it was changed
- 58:02Speaker 3: the Showdown?
- 58:03Speaker 4: Uh?
- 58:04Speaker 3: What is taking place on October seventh, which is the
- 58:09Speaker 3: same day as courses title Tuesday, which is of course,
- 58:12Speaker 3: which is of course Kelson's birthday.
- 58:16Speaker 4: Birthday.
- 58:17Speaker 3: Well it's not my birthday. Yeah, it's October seventh. But
- 58:20Speaker 3: what I but the thing is is that invasion. Uh
- 58:28Speaker 3: it made it upsets some Jewish people. Uh and in
- 58:34Speaker 3: my opinion, rightly, so October seventh is two years ago,
- 58:39Speaker 3: was the day of the Gaza incursion. Uh, and many
- 58:44Speaker 3: Israelis on and on a Jewish holiday. Uh, it was
- 58:48Speaker 3: just not a good thing. Put it that way. I
- 58:50Speaker 3: don't want to get into politics or anything like that,
- 58:52Speaker 3: or war or even pretend that I know as much
- 58:55Speaker 3: as I don't know, because I don't. But anyway, having
- 59:00Speaker 3: a show called Invasion on that particular day did infuriate
- 59:05Speaker 3: quite a bit of the Jewish community. And I even
- 59:08Speaker 3: posted something when Invasion was announced. I was like, that's
- 59:14Speaker 3: not a good thing on that day. I mean, even
- 59:16Speaker 3: I knew it wasn't a good idea. I did mention something,
- 59:20Speaker 3: but to the fact that WWE just simply can't just
- 59:24Speaker 3: can't get out of their way when they did and
- 59:27Speaker 3: change the name from Invasion to Showdown, which was done
- 59:32Speaker 3: earlier today, I did make a quickly beta post and said,
- 59:37Speaker 3: you know, kudos to WWE for acting on this invasion
- 59:43Speaker 3: in and of itself. I understand why they went with
- 59:46Speaker 3: the name because it does have some history, obviously, but
- 59:49Speaker 3: just on that particular day it was insensitive. It had
- 59:53Speaker 3: been on a week later, nobody would have said a
- 59:57Speaker 3: damn thing about it, But on that particular day. It
- 1:00:00Speaker 3: was insensitive and they did the right thing by changing
- 1:00:05Speaker 3: it the Showdown. So I have to give praise to
- 1:00:08Speaker 3: WWE and everyone involved for getting that done, you.
- 1:00:13Speaker 2: Know, because unintentional thing.
- 1:00:21Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they did the right thing, and that's
- 1:00:23Speaker 3: all that's important. You know, the show, whether it's Invasion
- 1:00:27Speaker 3: or Showdown, was still going to be the same show.
- 1:00:30Speaker 3: The name doesn't change anything other than just the name.
- 1:00:33Speaker 3: But the name was just insensitive. It was insensitive unintentionally,
- 1:00:40Speaker 3: so unintentionally, so I don't believe it was done with
- 1:00:43Speaker 3: any kind of malice whatsoever, and they changed it. It
- 1:00:46Speaker 3: was the right thing to do, period. That's the end.
- 1:00:49Speaker 4: I'm going to come down on both sides like I'm
- 1:00:52Speaker 4: in the camp where are you know? Because I knew
- 1:00:54Speaker 4: it was unintentional, and it's it's not part of American
- 1:00:57Speaker 4: culture to know about that offhand. That it was just
- 1:01:00Speaker 4: like whatever, you know, it's it's a historical name. And
- 1:01:04Speaker 4: on the flip side, that's a decision by a company.
- 1:01:07Speaker 4: A large enough portion is upset and it's not like
- 1:01:10Speaker 4: an extreme minority that are just clutching pearls to clutch
- 1:01:13Speaker 4: pearls and they're affected and they want to respect those
- 1:01:16Speaker 4: people and change it. You know, that's not something I
- 1:01:19Speaker 4: think people should be upset about either. You know, it
- 1:01:22Speaker 4: doesn't really matter. They want to try to make people
- 1:01:25Speaker 4: happy at the bottom of the sort. And if you're
- 1:01:28Speaker 4: hung up on a name like this for a show
- 1:01:30Speaker 4: that didn't exist before a week ago, it's like, get
- 1:01:32Speaker 4: over yourself. It's just who cares, you know, Let it
- 1:01:36Speaker 4: go go?
- 1:01:36Speaker 3: You know what though, you know what though't you know?
- 1:01:39Speaker 3: Look when you're looking at and I'm not even talking
- 1:01:42Speaker 3: about the wrestling community, I'm talking about the internet. I mean,
- 1:01:47Speaker 3: what are we boycotting today? What are we mad about?
- 1:01:51Speaker 4: Exactly?
- 1:01:51Speaker 3: You know, you just can't put fuel on the fire,
- 1:01:55Speaker 3: whether it's intentional or in this case, which I get
- 1:01:58Speaker 3: I believe was completely unintentional. Uh. You know, sometimes you
- 1:02:04Speaker 3: just got to say what the hell I mean because
- 1:02:08Speaker 3: you can make You could say something. We probably said
- 1:02:11Speaker 3: something on this podcast tonight that will unintentionally infuriate people
- 1:02:17Speaker 3: and want people to boycott us, you know, and then
- 1:02:21Speaker 3: tomorrow it'll be a boycott of something totally different and unrelated.
- 1:02:26Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's the point, honestly where I have
- 1:02:30Speaker 3: gone on the internet, on Twitter back in the day.
- 1:02:33Speaker 3: It's just you know, early in the morning, and my
- 1:02:35Speaker 3: first thing I would say is like, so, what are
- 1:02:37Speaker 3: we boycotting today, you know, because it's preposterous, it's.
- 1:02:40Speaker 2: Ridiculous risinger motherfucker.
- 1:02:46Speaker 3: Yeah, problems. Yeah, well, we're gonna have to edit that
- 1:02:55Speaker 3: out again because we can't use this. We can't use
- 1:02:58Speaker 3: that word on on the anybody, I guess.
- 1:03:04Speaker 4: Passionate about this. You know, it's a paper who show
- 1:03:08Speaker 4: who cares that they changed a lot of language.
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: It's not all my pay per view as though it's
- 1:03:13Speaker 1: a whatever.
- 1:03:14Speaker 4: It's just like it's just like.
- 1:03:18Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, you know, look, I can understand the
- 1:03:20Speaker 3: why w W did change the provvation to showdown because
- 1:03:24Speaker 3: they don't want to, you know, even unintentionally tick off
- 1:03:29Speaker 3: part of their fan base, because lord knows they've been
- 1:03:32Speaker 3: doing that quite.
- 1:03:33Speaker 4: A lot lately.
- 1:03:34Speaker 3: Let's not pile on because they just as I did
- 1:03:37Speaker 3: post earlier, they just seemed can't seem to get out
- 1:03:40Speaker 3: of their own way. It's really it's really like, but again.
- 1:03:49Speaker 6: Your company, they should know better than some of the
- 1:03:51Speaker 6: stuff they think, not that situation, but earlier situations. Yes,
- 1:03:59Speaker 6: they may corporation, they should know.
- 1:04:01Speaker 4: Better we're not We're not talking about other stuff. It
- 1:04:06Speaker 4: was this item.
- 1:04:08Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, well stick with the stick
- 1:04:11Speaker 3: with invasion and showdown. They fixed it. I'm good. Look,
- 1:04:17Speaker 3: if I'm not Jewish, I understand, And if you guys
- 1:04:21Speaker 3: are Jewish, I don't know. But if you are Jewish
- 1:04:25Speaker 3: and you don't care, that's your prerogative. But I can
- 1:04:28Speaker 3: understand where the Jewish community we're upset about this because
- 1:04:33Speaker 3: it was a little bit tasteless, even though again unintentionally so,
- 1:04:38Speaker 3: but it was tasteless and w W e an we
- 1:04:42Speaker 3: got to give TNA some credit here too, because it
- 1:04:45Speaker 3: was a joint thing. They fixed it. They fixed it,
- 1:04:50Speaker 3: and that's all that matters. They took care of the issue,
- 1:04:56Speaker 3: you know, and that's then that's that and that's honest.
- 1:05:00Speaker 3: Are there any other people that have any other pot
- 1:05:03Speaker 3: poiries that they want to talk about.
- 1:05:06Speaker 2: I mean, there's Tequesta coming up with his IWTP heavyweight
- 1:05:11Speaker 2: title match, which I wish that they would mention on commentary,
- 1:05:17Speaker 2: Like that's one of the things that bugs me so
- 1:05:19Speaker 2: much is you know, aaw will have people over in
- 1:05:24Speaker 2: New Japan and not mention it at all.
- 1:05:27Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, unless it happens like a forbidden door or
- 1:05:31Speaker 3: something like that.
- 1:05:33Speaker 2: Yeah, like when you have people invest with the super
- 1:05:36Speaker 2: Juniors or you have them in World Tagley and you
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: don't mention it one single bit, like put over your
- 1:05:43Speaker 2: freaking partner they're sending you guys, You've taken a bunch
- 1:05:47Speaker 2: of their guys, like the least you can see that
- 1:05:50Speaker 2: some of your guys are wrestling in a tournament or
- 1:05:52Speaker 2: having a title match. Like how do you not mention
- 1:05:55Speaker 2: that Tequsta has an IWTP World Heavyweight title match of
- 1:06:00Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling on October the thirteenth. Ex Talibra can rattle
- 1:06:03Speaker 2: that out in five seconds and.
- 1:06:06Speaker 3: It doesn't even have to be associated with uh an
- 1:06:10Speaker 3: aw wrestler could be just two New Japan wrestlers, be
- 1:06:14Speaker 3: two CML wrestlers, It could be two starter wrestlers. You
- 1:06:20Speaker 3: could say something like, hey, miss the Cove defended his
- 1:06:26Speaker 3: CMLL Heavyweight Championship successfully on Friday night. Hey, Saya Kamatani
- 1:06:33Speaker 3: defeated you know, uh Azumi and has now got the
- 1:06:38Speaker 3: World of Startup Champion Championship and the New Japan Strong
- 1:06:43Speaker 3: Women's Championship. You know, hey.
- 1:06:47Speaker 4: Recap.
- 1:06:48Speaker 2: Yeah, But like especially when it's we have AW wrestlers
- 1:06:53Speaker 2: over there. That's especially when they need to mention it
- 1:06:56Speaker 2: and doubly soap and it's a big title, Max, they
- 1:07:01Speaker 2: should be like, how do you not have don Kallis
- 1:07:04Speaker 2: hyping that up on Dynamite, which the story of when
- 1:07:10Speaker 2: of when Patsto loses and he comes back and don
- 1:07:13Speaker 2: Kallis to rates him for not bringing him the IWGP
- 1:07:17Speaker 2: heavyweight title tells.
- 1:07:20Speaker 4: That got me thinking, Yeah, I'd love them to do
- 1:07:23Speaker 4: like a like a season recap every month. So here's
- 1:07:26Speaker 4: what happened in CMO out, Here's what happened in New Japan,
- 1:07:29Speaker 4: Here's what happened in Stardom, And here's why that works.
- 1:07:32Speaker 4: One of the problems with Forbidden Door season now, because
- 1:07:35Speaker 4: most of the major stars Americans we're familiar with are
- 1:07:38Speaker 4: now in AW. Nobody knows a lot of the top
- 1:07:41Speaker 4: guys and the top women in the other promotions. Doing
- 1:07:45Speaker 4: recaps on TV periodically keeps the fans aware of who
- 1:07:48Speaker 4: the big stars are. So when you need to start
- 1:07:50Speaker 4: plugging them into TV to begin to build for that
- 1:07:52Speaker 4: pay per view, it's going to mean a lot more
- 1:07:54Speaker 4: because we're gonna know who the heck these people are.
- 1:07:56Speaker 4: You're not just gonna pull no names because we'll have
- 1:07:57Speaker 4: seen them on TV without needing to actually see them
- 1:08:00Speaker 4: on TV. If that makes sense. Two minutes a week
- 1:08:03Speaker 4: pays dividends for a paper give.
- 1:08:06Speaker 3: They don't even need to put it on TV. They
- 1:08:07Speaker 3: can put it on Twitter for you know, like there's
- 1:08:10Speaker 3: a lot of stuff today w puts on Twitter to
- 1:08:12Speaker 3: never make it on TV.
- 1:08:14Speaker 2: Have Tony Savanni do like a ten minute recap, so
- 1:08:17Speaker 2: put it on their YouTube channel, put it on Twitter,
- 1:08:21Speaker 2: and have them just mention it on Dynamite and television
- 1:08:25Speaker 2: like a twenty second little deal like, hey, if you're interested,
- 1:08:29Speaker 2: we have this on our YouTube channel.
- 1:08:31Speaker 4: Three old school. Put them behind a desk exactly that.
- 1:08:39Speaker 2: No. I told you was listening to this and he
- 1:08:42Speaker 2: needs someone to research all the other wrestling to give
- 1:08:46Speaker 2: Tony Savanni the notes for that. I'm ready.
- 1:08:49Speaker 3: I don't think needs anybody to research for him and
- 1:08:53Speaker 3: anything to do with wrestling.
- 1:08:55Speaker 2: Shut up, I'm trying to get a top here.
- 1:08:58Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but but I mean I do want to
- 1:09:05Speaker 3: say something here. I don't know the logistics and like
- 1:09:07Speaker 3: the rules about it. But I said earlier earlier in
- 1:09:12Speaker 3: the show that Chris Statlander is the Pro Wrestling Leave
- 1:09:16Speaker 3: International Champion. Was she not coming out on the AW
- 1:09:21Speaker 3: shows holding the Pro Wrestling EVE Championship? That is making people.
- 1:09:27Speaker 3: That's a small little thing that you can do to
- 1:09:30Speaker 3: say this is our partner and I have on their
- 1:09:33Speaker 3: on the lower third, Chris Statlander, a w Women's World Champions,
- 1:09:39Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling EVE International Champion, Women's International Champion, done small
- 1:09:46Speaker 3: things like that.
- 1:09:49Speaker 2: Tag team champion the whole time he was over here
- 1:09:51Speaker 2: these last few months. They never mentioned it once, never
- 1:09:54Speaker 2: showed it with the belt. Why the hell not?
- 1:09:58Speaker 4: Who when'd you a belt?
- 1:10:01Speaker 3: When did stat Lander win the belt a couple months ago?
- 1:10:07Speaker 3: She's defended they once.
- 1:10:10Speaker 4: So I have a theory as to why, because AW
- 1:10:14Speaker 4: often let's stars wear belts and other promotions Mercedes does it.
- 1:10:18Speaker 4: Osprey came out with a rev pro bunch. I think
- 1:10:21Speaker 4: in this case, because they're going to give the main
- 1:10:25Speaker 4: the title to stat you don't want people thinking she's
- 1:10:29Speaker 4: already a champion. It means a little more for that
- 1:10:34Speaker 4: to be the only belt she's seen with. And so
- 1:10:36Speaker 4: either it was just bad timing or they thought that
- 1:10:40Speaker 4: would take away from her getting coordinated as a world champion.
- 1:10:44Speaker 4: But I could understand if that was the reason they
- 1:10:46Speaker 4: went with it, why they wouldn't have her coming out
- 1:10:48Speaker 4: with another belt.
- 1:10:51Speaker 3: Yeah, but they do this all the time with both
- 1:10:53Speaker 3: the men and the women. I mean, it's you know,
- 1:10:55Speaker 3: and it's it's it's not right. I I I really
- 1:11:00Speaker 3: do believe even if it's r o H, they got
- 1:11:02Speaker 3: to make sure they add the R o H belts
- 1:11:04Speaker 3: on there and make a big deal out of it.
- 1:11:06Speaker 3: I mean, but when it's specifically a partner, you know,
- 1:11:12Speaker 3: or somebody like MLW or Stardom or you know, obviously,
- 1:11:19Speaker 3: like I said, Will Osprey is a producer of of
- 1:11:24Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling Eve, and this is something that I probably
- 1:11:28Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask Pro Wrestling Eve because Pro Wrestling Eve
- 1:11:32Speaker 3: Wright Girls of Wrestling is a member of our discord.
- 1:11:38Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask them about it and ask why is
- 1:11:41Speaker 3: there a reason between the two companies or is it
- 1:11:45Speaker 3: that EVE is not allowing Christatlander to dis display the belt?
- 1:11:51Speaker 3: That could be it too could not even be in
- 1:11:54Speaker 3: Aw's hands at that point, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
- 1:12:02Speaker 3: but there have been very many wrestlers that have come
- 1:12:06Speaker 3: over and whether from CMLLL or whatnot. And then they
- 1:12:11Speaker 3: haven't been wearing their belts when they come to the ring.
- 1:12:13Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense to me. By the way. Uh,
- 1:12:21Speaker 3: somebody mentioned Takeshta earlier. Uh, and Takeshta New Japan is
- 1:12:28Speaker 3: doing a documentary kind of a Day in the Life
- 1:12:32Speaker 3: of Takeshta, and they did release kind of a trailer. Now.
- 1:12:36Speaker 3: This documentary is going to be on the New Japan
- 1:12:38Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling YouTube channel. They did release a trailer for
- 1:12:43Speaker 3: it today and it's kind of hysterical because.
- 1:12:46Speaker 2: Okay, it's the trainer. I got to go watch that lake.
- 1:12:49Speaker 3: Yeah, Takeshta. I did post it on the aw fan
- 1:12:54Speaker 3: Hub subreddit.
- 1:12:55Speaker 2: Uh.
- 1:12:56Speaker 3: Takesha's talking about the g one climax and that he
- 1:12:59Speaker 3: want wants to be the best, and you know, he's
- 1:13:03Speaker 3: trying to be the strongest and whatnot. And inexplicably, a
- 1:13:07Speaker 3: lot of the trailer is dedicated to Takesha eating a
- 1:13:12Speaker 3: whole lot of Japanese rice, like ten bowls a day
- 1:13:17Speaker 3: or something like that. He said that is ted is
- 1:13:22Speaker 3: talking about being the strongest and the best and what
- 1:13:25Speaker 3: I all of a sudden they cut the Yukazakazaki is
- 1:13:27Speaker 3: white and she says two sentences he's a baby. He's
- 1:13:33Speaker 3: just a big baby. And then the announcer, you know
- 1:13:36Speaker 3: that the narrator is like, and he's a big baby.
- 1:13:38Speaker 3: And I just thought it was hysterical. I mean, they
- 1:13:41Speaker 3: just went all over the place on his trailer. They
- 1:13:45Speaker 3: painted Tosh as a guy that's very dedicated to be
- 1:13:48Speaker 3: the strongest, who eats a whole hell of a lot
- 1:13:51Speaker 3: of Japanese rice, whose wife thinks he's a big baby,
- 1:13:57Speaker 3: and that's the trailer. It's totally entertained. They did a
- 1:14:01Speaker 3: great job at the trailer, they really did. And you know,
- 1:14:04Speaker 3: it's just great. It's it's in Japanese, it's got subtitles,
- 1:14:08Speaker 3: but it's great, you know, and it probably will be
- 1:14:11Speaker 3: a very interesting dog. I don't know how long this
- 1:14:13Speaker 3: documentary is going to be, but apparently it's going to
- 1:14:16Speaker 3: be a day in the wife of can O Skate
- 1:14:19Speaker 3: Takeashta in America with his wife at what he does
- 1:14:22Speaker 3: on a daily basis, which pretty much is eating a
- 1:14:25Speaker 3: whole shitload of rice.
- 1:14:28Speaker 2: It'll probably be around like cane this thirty minutes. That's
- 1:14:31Speaker 2: about usual for those kind of documentary things.
- 1:14:40Speaker 3: Anybody else have a pot pourri that they want to
- 1:14:43Speaker 3: talk about? Express Oh, good topic.
- 1:14:53Speaker 2: Okay, we know they're coming back this week, like, but
- 1:14:56Speaker 2: me personally, and I put this in the chat, I
- 1:14:59Speaker 2: don't want them coming back as jungle Boy and Lucasaurus.
- 1:15:04Speaker 2: I want him to acknowledge that they've been through some
- 1:15:08Speaker 2: rat they've dealt with some stuff, so it drastic expresses back.
- 1:15:13Speaker 2: But now it's jungle Jack Perry and Kilosaurus. Yes, that's
- 1:15:20Speaker 2: why I kill a saurus. I know it's ridiculous, but
- 1:15:22Speaker 2: so is the idea of a wrestling dinosaur. So let's
- 1:15:25Speaker 2: go full on ridiculous.
- 1:15:29Speaker 3: I mentioned this in our podcast last week time and
- 1:15:32Speaker 3: that Jack Perry, if you looked at him when he
- 1:15:36Speaker 3: came back at the pay per view, he wasn't jungle Boy.
- 1:15:42Speaker 3: He was a mixture of jungle Boy and Jack and escapegoat.
- 1:15:49Speaker 3: Yeah he had that you know, that shit eating grin
- 1:15:52Speaker 3: and the and the clothing, but he was jungle boy too.
- 1:15:56Speaker 3: And if you also on the aw fan hub subreddit,
- 1:16:01Speaker 3: there's a wrestler, uh, there's a there's a wrestler. There's
- 1:16:05Speaker 3: a post with an interview with Jack Perry. It's a
- 1:16:09Speaker 3: very short interview. You should look it up, where Jack
- 1:16:12Speaker 3: Perry discusses being off for so long, saying that he
- 1:16:16Speaker 3: expected to be off for a couple of months, but
- 1:16:19Speaker 3: it ended up being extended. There was a planned uh
- 1:16:23Speaker 3: planned program with him and Kenny Omega that fell through,
- 1:16:28Speaker 3: which caused him to be off TV for a much longer.
- 1:16:31Speaker 3: He talked about Lucasaurus being his best friend and how
- 1:16:35Speaker 3: difficult it was when you know, Lucasaurus almost died from
- 1:16:41Speaker 3: the from the pneumonia that he had, uh, you know,
- 1:16:45Speaker 3: and it was this really something and it's a it's
- 1:16:50Speaker 3: a very short interview, but it does give you a
- 1:16:52Speaker 3: little bit of insight. And in the interview, it's clear
- 1:16:58Speaker 3: that Jack Perry is through Bill to be back with
- 1:17:01Speaker 3: Jurassic Express, reviving Jurassic Express, and yeah, you know, I'm
- 1:17:10Speaker 3: looking forward. I kind of disagree with you and agree
- 1:17:12Speaker 3: with you at the same time. I think that kill
- 1:17:15Speaker 3: Switch was a failure from the get go. Uh kind
- 1:17:19Speaker 3: of made him look like an idiot. And I think
- 1:17:24Speaker 3: that it's good that Lucasaurus is Lucasaurus again. And like
- 1:17:31Speaker 3: I said earlier, I do believe that it's not really
- 1:17:33Speaker 3: Jungle Boy that we're going to see right now. It's
- 1:17:36Speaker 3: a mixture of Jungle Boy and.
- 1:17:41Speaker 2: Escapegoat yeah, like, yeah, he can't just revert back to
- 1:17:47Speaker 2: being jungle boy. He's got to be He's.
- 1:17:51Speaker 3: Got to he's a jungle man. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
- 1:17:58Speaker 3: Lucasaurus did a ball from kill switch to uh to
- 1:18:03Speaker 3: Lucasaurus again, you know, and we'll we'll just have to
- 1:18:06Speaker 3: see what happens. Maybe we'll even talk now. I don't know,
- 1:18:12Speaker 3: you know, because my dream I said it before. My
- 1:18:15Speaker 3: dream is that Lucasaurus and beast Mortos do a entering
- 1:18:20Speaker 3: promo against each other. I just think that would be
- 1:18:23Speaker 3: higher editating. Just a bunch of.
- 1:18:24Speaker 9: Grunts and nobody understands what they're saying except for each other,
- 1:18:31Speaker 9: and they're getting mad or laughing or whatever at each other,
- 1:18:35Speaker 9: getting frustrated, and we.
- 1:18:36Speaker 3: Don't know what's going on, and yeah, show their acting chops.
- 1:18:40Speaker 2: Well, did dinosaurs and menotaur share a language?
- 1:18:45Speaker 3: I'm sure they did. Uh. I don't know what language
- 1:18:52Speaker 3: it is, but anyway, Well, look it's time to go.
- 1:18:59Speaker 3: We will be act well tomorrow night. The Dynamite sixth
- 1:19:04Speaker 3: Anniversary a half hours. It is a two and a
- 1:19:07Speaker 3: half hour show. Normally we do a quick twenty minute
- 1:19:13Speaker 3: rundown of Dynamite because it's running late. We may not
- 1:19:17Speaker 3: do that tomorrow night, so we may not do all
- 1:19:20Speaker 3: we talk tomorrow night. We'll play it by year. If
- 1:19:23Speaker 3: we do it, we do it. If we don't, we
- 1:19:25Speaker 3: do we don't because we do this with the community
- 1:19:29Speaker 3: for fun, and if the community is too tired to
- 1:19:31Speaker 3: do a podcast at ten thirty or whatever the heck
- 1:19:34Speaker 3: time it is at night Eastern time, then we're not
- 1:19:36Speaker 3: going to do it. But we're getting toward ten oh
- 1:19:40Speaker 3: five Eastern time as we're speaking right now, so we're
- 1:19:44Speaker 3: going to wrap this up. Forty aw Fan Podcast Team.
- 1:19:48Speaker 3: Thank you guys for joining us, thank you for listening.
- 1:19:52Speaker 3: Good night everybody.
- 1:19:54Speaker 1: Later,