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DEVIL'S DEN 'KILLER' SUSPECT 'TICKLING LITTLE GIRLS,' RPT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The Devil's Den killer suspect can't stop tickling little girls.
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Speaker 2: According to disturbed parents at schools where he wants worked
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Speaker 2: tonight where you're learning, he was bounced.
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Speaker 1: From school to school to school.
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Speaker 2: Because of inappropriate behavior with little girls, but no one
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Speaker 2: ever fired him. That's how he ended up at the
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Speaker 2: murder scene. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I
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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. Devil's Den
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Speaker 2: killer snared a white.
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Speaker 3: Mail suspect wearing black clothes.
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Speaker 1: That's think it's going to be a white male, a
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Speaker 1: white male teacher wearing.
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Speaker 3: White gloves and rites in the dark colored pans, sunglasses,
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Speaker 3: dark colored pants and a dark colored cane top.
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Speaker 2: I don't care what any defense attorney wants to tell you.
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Speaker 2: And we have video of him in the last hours
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Speaker 2: in work with his brand new defense attorney. This guy
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Speaker 2: was not insane when he allegedly stabbed a mom and
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Speaker 2: dad dad on a family hiking trail as they tried
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Speaker 2: to protect their two little girls from what and here
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Speaker 2: he is and here is where it all started.
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Speaker 4: A medic for circular first responders sat Triflle. That's all
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Speaker 4: possible stabbing Devilston Say heart Brushing County received a call
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Speaker 4: from the visitor center to children are their They advised
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Speaker 4: that their parents were.
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Speaker 5: Assaulted one was possibly stabbed. The parents are missing.
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Speaker 6: You guys, has just security Debbleston, You're still round. Attacked
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Speaker 6: the mail and a female on Devilston Hiking trail and
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Speaker 6: then took off in a small black sports car with
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Speaker 6: tap Hofuly and we suspect the suspect of injuries due
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Speaker 6: to the witness seeing the suspect stab one of them.
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Speaker 2: Little did these ladies know they were inches away from
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Speaker 2: an alleged double chill.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at the video.
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Speaker 2: Notice that this guy in front of guy and everybody
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Speaker 2: just parks in the very front parking spot with the
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Speaker 2: vehicle everyone's looking for, which later was determined full of evidence,
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Speaker 2: including blood from the victims. He saunters up the front steps.
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Speaker 2: He's not even a little bit concerned. Again, this is
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Speaker 2: from Lupido's beauty salon, walking in. Notice how he keeps
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Speaker 2: his face down. We've heard that from the ladies in
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Speaker 2: the salon. They have repeatedly stated that, and as we
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Speaker 2: discussed last week, he is in to get all that
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Speaker 2: haircut off the back of his head. Gee, I wonder
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Speaker 2: why did it have anything to do with the fact
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Speaker 2: that he was pictured from behind with his hair coming
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Speaker 2: out from under his baseball cap. This is the photo
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Speaker 2: we're talking about. Now, let's go back to the Lupida
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Speaker 2: salon video. As he is in the salon, law enforcement
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Speaker 2: swarms the place.
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Speaker 1: Oh here he is sautry in and that reminds me.
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Speaker 2: Check out those shoes. Are those the shoes he wore
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Speaker 2: during the double murder. In a moment, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: circle back to Tom Green, former Washoe County Sheriff's office,
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Speaker 2: about potential evidence off the bottom of those shoes. Is
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Speaker 2: their blood on them? Is their soil from the scene?
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Speaker 2: You can never have enough evidence. And now I'm hearing
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Speaker 2: in my ear we have the video.
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Speaker 1: Of the arrest.
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Speaker 2: Let's say l e as they come in there, they
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Speaker 2: are plain clothes, all armed. The lady's scattering as they should.
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Speaker 2: He still has his salon cape on, and you see
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Speaker 2: his hair is getting buzzed up the back so he
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Speaker 2: won't look anything like he did on that photo.
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Speaker 1: And there he goes with no resistance.
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Speaker 2: Again, that is from surveillance video from Lupita's salon. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you better run, lady. She did the right thing. There
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Speaker 2: you see undercover armed three of them and more out
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Speaker 2: in the parking lot, arresting the alleged Devil's Den double
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Speaker 2: killer Andrew James McCann and what we have learned about him.
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Speaker 2: We'll circle back to the video and what we're learning
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Speaker 2: from it a lot, but straight out. Joining us at
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Speaker 2: the scene, Nanette Sosa. She has been coming Devil's Dan
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Speaker 2: Park formerly k n WA in Arkansas. Nanette, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. What have you learned or today?
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Speaker 7: Everybody here at the salon is still nervous. They cannot
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Speaker 7: believe what's happened, and they too, are trying to put
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Speaker 7: together the pieces of why was their salon picked. A
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Speaker 7: white guy walks into a mostly Hispanic here salon. He's
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Speaker 7: not a regular customer. The salon's been here for decades.
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Speaker 8: Family.
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Speaker 7: Oh, they know their clientele, and here he just comes in,
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Speaker 7: does not even make eye contact, does not want to
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Speaker 7: sign in. They're worried already and they didn't even know
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Speaker 7: about him.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Sidney Sunder joining me in addition to Annette Sosa
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Speaker 2: Inett joining us from the scene. Sidney Sumner Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter, Sydney.
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Speaker 1: I've learned that he tried.
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Speaker 2: For two days to get a haircut, to go to
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Speaker 2: a salm, but he wouldn't sign in, he wouldn't give
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Speaker 2: his name, so he.
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Speaker 1: Could never get in.
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Speaker 2: Finally he gets to Lupita's and they take walkins. That's
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Speaker 2: how it happened, and it makes me wonder why he
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Speaker 2: was so obsessed with getting his hair done. Guys, I
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Speaker 2: haven't even gotten to what we have learned from previous
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Speaker 2: school districts where this guy was bounced from place to
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Speaker 2: place to place, tickling little girls uncontrollably take it having
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Speaker 2: them at private lunches a lot. But I want to
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Speaker 2: get back to Sidney, Sumner and Net Sydney. For two days,
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Speaker 2: this guy tried to get a haircut, that's what he's
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Speaker 2: thinking about after stabbing a mom and dad.
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Speaker 9: Dan Well, I think it's very clearly an attempt to
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Speaker 9: change his appearance. He knew that cops were zeroing in
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Speaker 9: on his image and he needed to change his hair,
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Speaker 9: maybe his clothing, maybe something about his face. He had
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Speaker 9: cuts on his hands, for goodness sake. It was very
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Speaker 9: clear that if anybody took more than two glances at
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Speaker 9: him in public, they might question whether out that everyone.
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Speaker 5: Is looking for.
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Speaker 9: So clearly he was just trying to change his appearance.
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Speaker 9: That's why he was so desperate for this haircut.
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Speaker 2: I think that's an answer, and so joining us formerly
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Speaker 2: KNWA in Arkansas, net. He was trying desperately to change
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Speaker 2: his appearance. And you know what is really scary. If
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Speaker 2: anything had gone sideways, he would have killed those ladies
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Speaker 2: if they had said.
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Speaker 1: Hey, you look like the Devil's Den guy.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you there would have been violence at Lupeda salon.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and you don't know what weapons you have. We
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Speaker 7: knew about the stabbing, not to say he doesn't have
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Speaker 7: other weapons, but coming in not making eye contact, everybody
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Speaker 7: is friendly at this salon you might talk with. Everything
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Speaker 7: was going well and then this man skulks in looking down,
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Speaker 7: doesn't want to sign in and needs a haircut. And
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Speaker 7: he only lives but seven miles from this salon. So
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Speaker 7: whether he had scouted the area, looked around, he sat
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Speaker 7: in his car for a few minutes once he did
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Speaker 7: pull into this front parking lot right behind me, So
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Speaker 7: it was thought out he had some thoughts about that haircut.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this to Tom Green, joining us
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Speaker 2: former chief Deputy Washoe County Sheriff's off as homicide detective,
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Speaker 2: and so much more now PI, owner of Nevada Investigative Services.
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Speaker 1: Tom, thanks for being with us. You know what, have
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Speaker 1: you noticed.
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Speaker 2: That so many killers, well purps in general, violent purps.
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Speaker 1: That I've come in contact with anyway, they.
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Speaker 2: Pick out those that are weaker or less cunning than them,
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Speaker 2: for instance. And I'm about to get into it, but
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Speaker 2: I've got to show you in a moment the court
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Speaker 2: video that we have obtained of him and his first appearance.
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Speaker 2: But Tom Green, before I get to that, they pick
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Speaker 2: out targets weaker or less cunning than them. Think about
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Speaker 2: all the little girls he was teaching in third, fourth
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Speaker 2: fifth grade, tickling them uncontrollably. He can't, he can't stop.
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Speaker 2: Then picking out an unarmed mom and dad on a
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Speaker 2: hiking trail when he has a knife, and there have
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Speaker 2: been reports that it's similar to a Brian Coberger knife.
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Speaker 2: We don't know that yet, but we're trying to find
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Speaker 2: that out.
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Speaker 1: He picks on an unarmed mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: Then he goes into Lupita's hair, salon where there are
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Speaker 2: just a couple of ladies in there at that time
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Speaker 2: of the day. One of them has on bedroom shoes.
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Speaker 2: You know that you'd walk around inside on a lot
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Speaker 2: of people take off their regular shoes and they walk
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Speaker 2: around in socks or.
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Speaker 1: Slip ons inside.
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Speaker 2: My point is ladies, defenseless ladies. That's who he encounters.
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Speaker 2: Somebody that is unarmed, somebody that cannot defend themselves, someone
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Speaker 2: that is unaware, unsuspecting. He is a hyena, he is
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Speaker 2: a wolf, Tom Green looking for the weakest prey.
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't disagree, and we know that wolves and
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Speaker 10: other predators look for what they think they can take.
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Speaker 10: They don't look for things they think they can't take,
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Speaker 10: and this verywell could be that situation. I mean, the
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Speaker 10: way he was dressed in that photo doesn't look like
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Speaker 10: you're out for a hike in eighty five degree weather
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Speaker 10: with eighty five percent humanity.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we've obtained the court video. Under our constitution, everyone
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Speaker 2: being held behind bars, particularly with Nobel, has a right
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Speaker 2: within seventy two hours to go in front of a
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Speaker 2: judge and magistrate and be told what they're charged with.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at this guy. The alleged Devil's
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Speaker 2: Den double kill or in court.
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Speaker 8: And you are Andrew James P.
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Speaker 7: Yes, you're in talking today's for for your first appearance.
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Speaker 11: And parts are will be fed wood up to charges
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Speaker 11: property you have Roland just said it no lawn right now.
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Speaker 11: With your next court appearance for August fifth this year
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Speaker 11: at seven forty five am, that's going to be your
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Speaker 11: writing agents active attention center. There's been a finding me
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Speaker 11: that probably will cause you this attain that they might
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Speaker 11: have judged previously.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at that from the beginning. Let's
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Speaker 2: roll that one more time. We've transcribed it for you
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Speaker 2: so you can make out every word that stated in court.
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Speaker 2: Please roll it and you are Andrew James P.
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Speaker 11: Yes, you're in talking today's for for your first appearance
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Speaker 11: and purples are will be fus woe up to charges
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Speaker 11: property you know having working for the voland is set
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Speaker 11: at no lawn right now. With your next court appearance
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Speaker 11: for audi think of this year at seven forty five am,
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Speaker 11: that's going to be your undy.
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Speaker 7: Gat actor and attention center.
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Speaker 11: There's been in finding me that probable causes distentitaina was
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Speaker 11: made might judge previously.
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Speaker 2: I's around friends at Fox for Dallas, and I noticed
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Speaker 2: on the camera straight out to Tom Green joining us
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Speaker 2: former Chief Deputy Washoe County, that there were from what
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Speaker 2: I could tell, nine guards positioned around the courtroom. This
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Speaker 2: guy McGann was very close to the judge, very close
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Speaker 2: to the judge. Most of the guards that I could
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Speaker 2: see were armed, and I imagine they all were, some
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Speaker 2: in uniform, some in playing clothes.
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Speaker 1: So nobody knows what this guy is going to do.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, you know, a courthouse security is imperative, especially
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Speaker 10: that you know clearly it's a small courtroom. He's charged
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Speaker 10: with serious offenses. There's a lot of public interests. You
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Speaker 10: don't know what family members are are out there or
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Speaker 10: that that didn't want to, you know, potentially lash out
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Speaker 10: towards him, understandably. So, yeah, courtroom security is going to
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Speaker 10: be significant through this empire. Every court appearance he has
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Speaker 10: is going to be met with heavy presence of courts security,
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Speaker 10: both inside and outside.
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Speaker 2: I'm not really worry Tom about family members attacking him.
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about him attacking someone in the courtroom. Did
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Speaker 2: you see how close he was to the judge?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And as you know, if if we you know
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Speaker 10: if this ends up in a jury trial situation, you
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Speaker 10: know he has to he has to have the perception
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Speaker 10: of being out of custody, meaning no restraints at least
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Speaker 10: in this Uh, you know he's going to have restraints.
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Speaker 9: This is what we know.
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Speaker 1: He will have his formal arraignment within days.
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Speaker 5: What is that?
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Speaker 2: That means he will either have a preliminary hearing, which
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Speaker 2: I doubt. That is when the state calls enough witnesses
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Speaker 2: to show probable cause to have him bound over or
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Speaker 2: sent to the correct court, which would be superior court
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Speaker 2: where felonies are tried, or there will be.
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Speaker 1: A secret grand jury. What is a grand jury?
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Speaker 2: Those are voters from this jurisdiction that will likely hear
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Speaker 2: just one witness, typically the lead detective in the case,
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Speaker 2: who will summarize the evidence against the defendant. This is
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Speaker 2: not a guilt phase, guilt or innocence phase. This is
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Speaker 2: asking a grand jury simply is there enough evidence in
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Speaker 2: your mind to take this case to trial? They will
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Speaker 2: more likely than not render a true bill of indictment
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Speaker 2: and the case will then be assigned to a trial judge.
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Speaker 2: At that point, this guy, the alleged Devil's Den double killer,
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Speaker 2: will go to that courtroom. There he is where there's
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Speaker 2: a new haircut covering his face. He will go to
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Speaker 2: that courtroom and be arraigned where he will be formally
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Speaker 2: read his capital murder charges.
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Speaker 1: Alleged double killer took off.
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Speaker 6: On a small black sports car with taper for the
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Speaker 6: police and we suspect the suspect of injuries.
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Speaker 3: Car.
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Speaker 1: Oh, dear Lord in heaven. There he is, and it
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Speaker 1: looks just like the composite sketch.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we have obtained what is called
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Speaker 2: the intake surveillance of the alleged Devilstein killer.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that now here we see him.
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Speaker 1: This is an aerial view.
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Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Are these the same shoes he wore
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Speaker 2: at the double murders? Please hold onto those shoes for
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Speaker 2: Pete's sake. You are taking a look at video surveillance
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Speaker 2: inside the jail where he is having as we call it, intake.
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Speaker 1: Tom Green explain what is intake?
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Speaker 5: Well, intake is going to.
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Speaker 10: Be the process that they're going to They're going to
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Speaker 10: take his mug shot, they're going to take some fingerprints.
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Speaker 10: But before all that occurs, they are going to make
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Speaker 10: sure he doesn't have any weapons on him, any or
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Speaker 10: any items of evidence obvious. Now, in cases such as this,
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Speaker 10: it would be common for the detectives, I know, we
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Speaker 10: would have to take every item of clothing, underwear, socks,
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Speaker 10: all of it and book that into evidence and have
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Speaker 10: that forensically examined. But yeah, that is the process of intake,
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Speaker 10: is to make sure he doesn't have any any weapons
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Speaker 10: on him, to completely search him and get those identifiers
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Speaker 10: from him. They're asking biological information and where do you live,
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Speaker 10: where your parents next to? In these kinds of.
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Speaker 2: Things, notice that every single person around him is armed
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Speaker 2: and they better be. Now we're tasked with finding out
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Speaker 2: what led to his arrest and what clues, if any,
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Speaker 2: are left behind. But first I'm going to go straight
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Speaker 2: back out to Nanette Sosa joining us. They're at Lupido's salon,
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Speaker 2: who graciously has allowed us to use all of their
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Speaker 2: surveillance of video.
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Speaker 1: Nanette, what have you learned there at the salon?
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Speaker 8: Brad learned? This salon is so busy, For example, thirteen
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Speaker 8: hairstylists on hand weekends. It's busy. It was just clearing
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Speaker 8: out that particular night where he where he entered. However,
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Speaker 8: this place is busy They are scared. All of them
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Speaker 8: are scared knowing that he was in this shop. Why
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Speaker 8: are they were here or not? They are scared.
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Speaker 2: You know another interesting thing and I want to go
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Speaker 2: out to our guest, doctor Janey Lacey, and guys. This
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Speaker 2: video is from our friends at Lupitea's Beauty Salon. Psychotherapist
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Speaker 2: and CEO of Life Counseling Solutions, Doctor Janie, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. And many people, including myself, are
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Speaker 2: struck by his demeanor. He seems so calm. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it's one thing when you're uncontrollably tickling little girls on
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Speaker 2: the playground and you can't seem to stop yourself, or
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Speaker 2: you're having private lunches with the little girls without their
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Speaker 2: parents knowing about it, or you're attacking two unarmed parents
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Speaker 2: on a family hiking trail. That's an entirely different scenario
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Speaker 2: than being in court surrounded by nine armed guards. But
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Speaker 2: his demeanor, even in luped Salon, he's looking down. He
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Speaker 2: seems very quiet and self contained. How do you reconcile
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Speaker 2: the two the demon that appeared at Devil's Dan hiking
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Speaker 2: trail and this guy.
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Speaker 12: Well, the way that we reconcile that Nancy is that
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Speaker 12: they learn to compartmentalize and they learn to operate in
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Speaker 12: little boxes. So when we see him in this clip,
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Speaker 12: there's not eye contact and there's probably very little communication
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Speaker 12: so that he doesn't have to connect with the person
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Speaker 12: who he's actually discussed talking to. So they stay disassociated,
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Speaker 12: they stay not connected, and they don't less necessarily because
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Speaker 12: you're looking at eye contact and you're engaging in conversation,
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Speaker 12: you're connecting with the person. So this would tell me
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Speaker 12: that he's learned to compartmentalize, he does not connect, and
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Speaker 12: that he keeps himself very guarded so that people can't
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Speaker 12: necessarily read him, or so he thinks, how was this
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Speaker 12: guy apprehended?
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Speaker 13: Listen, the Brink children and another witness on the trail
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Speaker 13: helped create a sketch of the suspect. Other visitors to
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Speaker 13: the park were able to provide photos to investigators, helping
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Speaker 13: with the description of the vehicle, a black forty sedan.
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Speaker 13: Up to ten videos from homes and businesses along routes
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Speaker 13: in and out of the park, providing a good description
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Speaker 13: of the vehicle.
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Speaker 14: With that vehicle information that became critical in identifying our suspects.
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Speaker 14: So with the photos or the tips that came in
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Speaker 14: with the composite and the photo. As the colonel said,
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Speaker 14: we received over five hundred tips. As we began to
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Speaker 14: hone in on the vehicle, it became clear that it
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Speaker 14: was a Kia Stinger, and we used that information to
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Speaker 14: vet various owners and our suspect was identified.
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Speaker 2: This for our friends at KOTV Sidney Summer joining US
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative Reporter Sidney, we are now hearing reports
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Speaker 2: to the little girls.
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Speaker 1: The two little daughters.
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Speaker 2: Seven and nine didn't run all the way down the trail,
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Speaker 2: as we were first told that they were afraid and
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Speaker 2: found all alone crying on the trail.
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Speaker 1: And someone brought them down. This is after mom.
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Speaker 2: Tells them to keep running and circles back to try
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Speaker 2: and defend her husband from the killer.
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Speaker 9: What do we know, Well, as you said, we know
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Speaker 9: that the girls were found on the trail and someone
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Speaker 9: took them into the visitor center. And at this point
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Speaker 9: it's still somewhat unclear if the person that grabbed the
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Speaker 9: girls and took them to the visitor center knew that
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Speaker 9: their parents were attacked or simply thought that these little
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Speaker 9: girls were separated from their parents and needed help finding them.
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Speaker 9: So in the visitor center is when these girls were
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Speaker 9: eventually put on the phone directly with the nine one
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Speaker 9: one operator in the full story started to come to
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Speaker 9: fruition and police officers and EMTs were staged at the scene.
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Speaker 2: The arrogance of this guy leaving his car parked right
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Speaker 2: in front of Lupita Salon. When we're doing a manhunt
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Speaker 2: trying to find this guy based on what they learned
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Speaker 2: from witnesses at the scene, a search warrant was executed.
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Speaker 1: Listen, we executed a.
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Speaker 4: Search warrant as residents.
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Speaker 10: There were articles found there that are consistent with being
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Speaker 10: involved in this particular crime.
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Speaker 13: McGann taught at Sand Springs until May of this year.
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Speaker 13: Former student Shalen Brown says the black backpack shown in
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Speaker 13: a picture was the same bag McGann had while he
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Speaker 13: taught at Sand Springs.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: On the return from that search warrant. What is a
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Speaker 2: return When a search warrant is executed, everything that is
21:06
Speaker 2: taken from the home is written down on a return.
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Speaker 2: That's where our friend's a KOTV. What was on that
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Speaker 2: return waiting to find out, but we do know the
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Speaker 2: backpack was identified by children at a previous school. There's
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Speaker 2: not only the car, but I want to point out
21:25
Speaker 2: what was found in the car itself. There's the backpack
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Speaker 2: that was identified by previous students and that's so joining
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Speaker 2: us there at Lupita Salon and barbershott and that what
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Speaker 2: was what do we know that was found in the car?
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Speaker 8: Alerties here did find blood traces of blood within the car.
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Speaker 8: That is do the probable cause that was released Other
21:47
Speaker 8: than that, as far as he was concerned, he was
21:50
Speaker 8: sitting in that barber chair. His hands had cut slices
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Speaker 8: on them as well, so they saw that and asked
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Speaker 8: them to it up from the chair and they faced
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Speaker 8: handcuffs on him. And he was in the middle of
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Speaker 8: the on the haircut when still had the barber tape
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Speaker 8: on when the handcuffed him. But it was definitely blood
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Speaker 8: that was found on the inside of the car, the Kiya,
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Speaker 8: which was parked here in the front of Mifita's Beauty salon.
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Speaker 13: Arkansas State Police interview a witness who saw someone with
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Speaker 13: blood on his face get into a black sedan and
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Speaker 13: drive onto State Highway one seventy. A second witness says
22:27
Speaker 13: the car is a Kia stinger. This became extremely important
22:31
Speaker 13: as investigators put out a sketch of the suspect and
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Speaker 13: type of vehicle and asked the public for help. Law
22:37
Speaker 13: enforcement received multiple videos from homes and businesses showing the
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Speaker 13: black stinger.
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Speaker 1: This man is obviously twisted. He gave her a bad feeling.
22:47
Speaker 1: He put off a bad vibe. Something is wrong with him.
22:52
Speaker 2: Hikers on that trail that came in contact with McGann,
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Speaker 2: the alleged Devil's Double killer, said he gave a bad
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Speaker 2: vibe for many different reasons. And in our business, you
23:05
Speaker 2: don't discount that. You don't discount a hunch.
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Speaker 1: And they were right. They were the only ones that
23:14
Speaker 1: got a bad vibe off the sky.
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Speaker 2: Why did he bounce from school to school, to school
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Speaker 2: to school before he landed here at Devil's Den?
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Speaker 1: Well listen.
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Speaker 15: Parents of mcghann's students at schools in Oklahoma and Texas
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Speaker 15: say the twenty eight year old suspect was a sick
23:29
Speaker 15: pervert and his behavior was unusual. There were girls McGahn
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Speaker 15: would tickle at Donald Elementary School in Flower Mountain, Texas.
23:36
Speaker 15: McGahn would invite special girls to have lunch in his
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Speaker 15: classroom while other students ate in the cafeteria. Parents report
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Speaker 15: McGann's behavior to Lewisville isasde and Donald Elementary staff. But
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Speaker 15: everything got swept under the rug.
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Speaker 2: I really don't even know what to say about that quote,
23:52
Speaker 2: swept under the rug. And this is according to parents
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Speaker 2: of students. And it wasn't just that school. He went
23:58
Speaker 2: from that school to another to another. I wonder who
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Speaker 2: was the special girl that got to have lunch, a
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Speaker 2: private lunch in his classroom while the others ate in
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Speaker 2: the cafeteria.
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to know what was said at those
24:10
Speaker 1: private lunches.
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Speaker 2: I know, straight out to Sydney Sumner joining us from
24:14
Speaker 2: crime stories that he told one little girl, I wish
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Speaker 2: you could be my girlfriend. Oh honey, fur would fly
24:21
Speaker 2: if somebody, a male teacher told that to one of
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Speaker 2: my children, I wish you could be my girlfriend or boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Sidney Sumner? And why was he never reprimanded?
24:34
Speaker 1: He just went from school to school to school.
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Speaker 2: Didn't nobody have the backbone to file an actual complaint
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Speaker 2: where they that afraid they'd get sued.
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Speaker 9: It's very unclear why this elementary school teacher, who apparently
24:49
Speaker 9: never met expectations and had this history of inappropriate behavior
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Speaker 9: with female students, was allowed to just move on from
24:59
Speaker 9: the his job and start somewhere else. Parents were apparently
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Speaker 9: very upset that McGann was able to resign and just
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Speaker 9: move to a new school district and didn't face any
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Speaker 9: kind of consequences for his actions. Now that school district
25:15
Speaker 9: said they didn't find any evidence that he really was
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Speaker 9: acting inappropriately with female students, but he did not meet
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Speaker 9: their expectation and was allowed to resign instead of being fired.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 2: Woa, Sidney, I'm not going to kill the messenger, but
25:31
Speaker 2: I find it highly inappropriate to uncontrollably like you can't
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Speaker 2: stop himself from tickling little girls. According to reports joining
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Speaker 2: me doctor Jane Lacy, what is nismophilia.
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Speaker 12: Well, misopelia is basically a tickling fetish nancy. So most
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Speaker 12: of the time people are using it, especially predators, because
25:52
Speaker 12: there is some typo sexual pleasure that they'll get from
25:55
Speaker 12: the actual tickling or being tickling, and there's usually a
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Speaker 12: power dynamic that occurs and what we'll see nancy with predators.
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Speaker 12: It becomes almost socially acceptable because tickling appears harmless to
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Speaker 12: most observers, and this sensitation process gradually normalizes.
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Speaker 1: Okay, rewind, rewind, Okay, you got to start at the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Miss Mophelia is a sex fetish where you like to
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Speaker 2: tickle people, whether they want to be tickled or not,
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Speaker 2: to where the victim is. They're not laughing, they're crying.
26:34
Speaker 2: They don't like it, but you keep doing it, and
26:37
Speaker 2: you can't stop yourself. Could you it's a power dynamic.
26:41
Speaker 2: Could you start that over again? It was you got
26:43
Speaker 2: me drinking from the fire hydrant, Doctor Jenney. Too much
26:46
Speaker 2: information at once. Just slow it down for me. I'm
26:49
Speaker 2: just a trial while you go ahead.
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Speaker 12: So when we consider missul Flemia, it's also considered a
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Speaker 12: tickling fetish. And what we'll see, Nancy, with the tickling
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Speaker 12: fetish is that there's pleasure that's derived from tickling or
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Speaker 12: being tickled, and we'll see that there's usually like a
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Speaker 12: dominant submission dynamics, a power dynamic at play. So when
27:10
Speaker 12: it comes to our suspect and the power dynamic of
27:14
Speaker 12: him being a teacher and him tickling his students, we'll
27:18
Speaker 12: see it happen with predators because tickling usually appears harmless
27:22
Speaker 12: to observers right, it becomes socially acceptable touch. And what
27:27
Speaker 12: we'll also see is this desensitation process that occurs nance
27:31
Speaker 12: because what happens is they gradually normalize inappropriate physical contact
27:37
Speaker 12: and they also can build trust. They're using playful interactions
27:41
Speaker 12: to gain a child comfort. And what will also see
27:44
Speaker 12: is a lot of testing of boundaries happen. They're assessing
27:47
Speaker 12: the child's vulnerability and also the adult supervision around. So
27:52
Speaker 12: predators will also will look at this isolation indicators what
27:55
Speaker 12: we call it, where they'll determine if adults will actually intervene.
27:59
Speaker 12: So when we see a lot of these warning signs
28:01
Speaker 12: that have been reported, he had excessive physical contact with
28:04
Speaker 12: the children, and he was targeting specific genders, the young girls,
28:09
Speaker 12: and he created these special relationships.
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Speaker 1: With these students.
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Speaker 12: And the boundary violations and professional settings that was reported
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Speaker 12: that some of the parents recognize as actually a grooming behavior.
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Speaker 2: You know what this is telling me to Tom Green,
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Speaker 2: former Chief Deputy Washoe County Sheriffs, You're hearing what doctor
28:29
Speaker 2: Janey Lacey is saying, and to me, this is giving
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Speaker 2: credence to the theory that McGann tried to grab one
28:39
Speaker 2: of the little girls or both ages seven and nine
28:43
Speaker 2: typically one to either molest them or something else like
28:50
Speaker 2: the tickling, to feed his own sexual fetish, and the
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Speaker 2: parents stopped him.
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Speaker 10: That's absolutely rational theory. And we can't forget me and
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Speaker 10: see the nine year old the same age as the
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Speaker 10: children that's going to be in the class he was
29:05
Speaker 10: about start teaching, and what a week and days out?
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Speaker 5: What if ses Tom?
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Speaker 1: Tom?
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Speaker 2: That's important? Well, that's important. I want to follow up
29:15
Speaker 2: with that, doctor Janey Lacey. That's important because purps, especially molesters,
29:22
Speaker 2: typically have an age and a sex and a type.
29:27
Speaker 2: Here's an example, not exactly on point, but look at
29:30
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy. If you look at his victims, so many
29:33
Speaker 2: of them look the same for a long period of
29:36
Speaker 2: time until he got completely out of control and would
29:39
Speaker 2: just basically attack anybody that he could get close to.
29:44
Speaker 2: But at the beginning, he would pick out one woman
29:46
Speaker 2: after the next. As I recall seeing their pictures side
29:48
Speaker 2: by side, all thin white females, dark hair similar facially,
29:54
Speaker 2: hair parted down the middle. As I'm just recalling them
29:56
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, that was his uh,
30:00
Speaker 2: preferred victim, whether consciously or subconsciously. And Tom Green pointed
30:04
Speaker 2: out the girls that age are the same girls as
30:07
Speaker 2: these victims, particularly the nine year old.
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Speaker 12: Well, he said it, Nancy, that he targeted his preference,
30:13
Speaker 12: and he showed excessive favoritism towards this particular age range.
30:18
Speaker 12: And also he had access to them because this was
30:20
Speaker 12: the age range of what he was teaching. So it's
30:23
Speaker 12: by no accident in my opinion, that he particularly targeted
30:26
Speaker 12: this family that had these young girls because they were
30:30
Speaker 12: part of his target that we have now have described
30:33
Speaker 12: by a lot of different people on through.
30:35
Speaker 9: His history.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace joining us now is a
30:49
Speaker 2: very special guest. It's Danica Harold. She has a longtime
30:54
Speaker 2: friend of the murdered mom and dad stabbed dead on
30:59
Speaker 2: a public hiking trail, four families trying to protect their daughters.
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Speaker 1: Miss Harrol, thank you for being with us. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: When did you learn that your friends had passed away?
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Speaker 1: Were killed?
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Speaker 5: About midnight between Saturday and Sunday.
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Speaker 1: How did you find out the news?
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Speaker 5: Someone sent me a news article and I actually thought
31:22
Speaker 5: it was a hoax, so I started researching it.
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Speaker 1: Now you've known them for a long time.
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Speaker 5: Yees, since twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you discovered they hadn't just
31:33
Speaker 2: passed on that they had actually been stabbed dead.
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Speaker 5: It was very it was very hard to learn that information.
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Speaker 2: Could you tell us, miss Harold, about the two of them?
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Speaker 2: We keep hearing that they were murdered trying to protect
31:48
Speaker 2: their daughters. That the mom helped her two little girls
31:53
Speaker 2: get away from the killer, and then after they were
31:58
Speaker 2: safe in her mind, she went back to help fight
32:02
Speaker 2: the killer off her husband, and in so doing she
32:06
Speaker 2: herself was murdered trying to defend him.
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Speaker 1: Does that sound like her?
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Speaker 5: One hundred percent? They were all about their family.
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Speaker 2: Tell us what you can't about them because they have
32:18
Speaker 2: turned into props for the killer.
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Speaker 1: We just hear they were stabbed. What can you tell
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Speaker 1: us about them? How did you meet? Describe them for us?
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Speaker 5: Actually met them? They joined my co ed volleyball league,
32:34
Speaker 5: and she would bring her daughters with volleyball, and it
32:38
Speaker 5: turns out we had, you know, two daughters that were
32:40
Speaker 5: the same age. So then that in turn led to
32:44
Speaker 5: us hanging out outside of volleyball, and she was just
32:47
Speaker 5: as sweet as could be. I ran into some issues
32:50
Speaker 5: with childcare, and she offered to take my daughter overnight
32:55
Speaker 5: while I worked out of town, didn't even bat an eyelash,
32:58
Speaker 5: and you know, she had to keep her Christmas one year,
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Speaker 5: and she went as far as to make sure that
33:03
Speaker 5: my daughter had the same matching pajamas as her kids.
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Speaker 1: So you became very close we did.
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Speaker 5: She lived, She's probably about half miles from my house,
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Speaker 5: and I'd go on walks and we'd stop at her
33:14
Speaker 5: house and we'd just sit down and visit and she'd
33:17
Speaker 5: make some coffee or tea, and our daughters would play outside.
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Speaker 2: To Mercia King, veteran trial lawyer and joining us Merscha again,
33:25
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Any kind of a
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Speaker 2: sexual perversion or sex fetish does not rise to insanity.
33:34
Speaker 2: And noting how he was dressed, how he obscured his
33:39
Speaker 2: tag license number, how he screeched out of there at
33:43
Speaker 2: a high rate of speed, all of that indicates pre
33:46
Speaker 2: planning and guilty conscience upon flight. So even if he
33:53
Speaker 2: has a sex fetish with tickling little girls, that doesn't
33:56
Speaker 2: ride to insanity, does it.
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Speaker 16: He did have some knowledge about what he was doing
34:01
Speaker 16: and that what he was doing was actually wrong, So
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Speaker 16: when you get to an insanity defense, that's something that
34:08
Speaker 16: his lawyers are going to have to really really flesh
34:11
Speaker 16: out to the jury for the jury to buy that
34:14
Speaker 16: type of defense. But as you stated him fleeing, getting
34:21
Speaker 16: the haircut, all of those things go to show his
34:24
Speaker 16: state of mind and that he knew whatever that he
34:27
Speaker 16: had done or whatever it happened was wrong, it was unlawful.
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Speaker 2: This guy bounced between four districts in three states.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 15: Baron's complaints lead to him placed on administrative leave before
34:42
Speaker 15: his resignation letter. Parent Lindsay Polyak suggest if McGann had
34:46
Speaker 15: been terminated instead of allowing him to resign, determination would
34:49
Speaker 15: have been on his record and might have raised some
34:52
Speaker 15: red flags for other teaching jobs. But since he was
34:54
Speaker 15: allowed to resign, he was hired by at least two
34:57
Speaker 15: other school districts and was getting ready to start the
35:00
Speaker 15: new school. You're in Arkansas.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now is doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner
35:05
Speaker 2: Terrant County. That's Fort Worth and start of a brand
35:08
Speaker 2: new podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue Esteemed a lecturer at
35:12
Speaker 2: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Crowns, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. We know that he the
35:18
Speaker 2: alleged killer. The suspect McGann was spotted by witnesses with
35:23
Speaker 2: blood on his face. We know blood was found in
35:26
Speaker 2: the car. We have been told the victims were stabbed.
35:31
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about cod cause of death?
35:35
Speaker 2: We know the mom went back to try to protect Clint,
35:39
Speaker 2: the husband. What would you expect to find on the victims' bodies.
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Speaker 17: There'd probably be multiple stab wounds on varying locations. Usually
35:48
Speaker 17: with stab wounds, there isn't just one. It's usually several,
35:53
Speaker 17: usually greater than ten. They'll probably be defense wounds, injuries
35:57
Speaker 17: on the hands or the forearms as the individual's to
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Speaker 17: stop being stabbed and is grabbing at the knife, things
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Speaker 17: of that nature. Probably the majority of the wounds will
36:06
Speaker 17: be in the neck, chest and back area on each victim.
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Speaker 1: When you say.
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Speaker 2: Defensive wounds, doctor Kennel Crowns can defensive wounds not only
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Speaker 2: be on the palms of the hands between the fingers
36:20
Speaker 2: trying to ward off.
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Speaker 1: The pert from stabbing, but also.
36:25
Speaker 2: On the exterior of the arms when they hold their
36:29
Speaker 2: arms up like this, even on their back and on
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Speaker 2: their legs. When victims curl up in a fetal position,
36:37
Speaker 2: maybe even here on their upper arms they try to
36:40
Speaker 2: protect their face or their eternal organs. Where else would
36:43
Speaker 2: you expect to find defensive wounds on the victims?
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Speaker 17: That would be the majority of them is on the hands, forearms,
36:49
Speaker 17: even the backs of the arms, and occasionally, when they
36:51
Speaker 17: are down, they'll be kicking or trying to block with
36:54
Speaker 17: their legs and feet, so you'll see them on the legs.
36:57
Speaker 17: They usually defensive wounds are on the extremities, most likely
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Speaker 17: hands and.
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Speaker 1: Arms, Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 2: How long would they have lived, depending on the nature
37:07
Speaker 2: of the wounds themselves, how long would they have lived
37:12
Speaker 2: knowing that they were dying.
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Speaker 17: It depends on where the stab wounds are. If they're
37:16
Speaker 17: in the chest and they hit the heart or the aora,
37:19
Speaker 17: the major blood vessel from the heart, they'll bleed out
37:21
Speaker 17: in a matter of minutes. If they're hitting the arms, extremities,
37:25
Speaker 17: the abdomen, it's going to take a little longer. So
37:28
Speaker 17: we're looking at, you know, a couple of minutes to
37:32
Speaker 17: several minutes, even ten to fifteen minutes, depending on what's
37:35
Speaker 17: stabbed and how long the assault occurred.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 2: We know, based on what we've learned from law enforcement
37:43
Speaker 2: that they believe they've got a DNA match. Now we
37:48
Speaker 2: understand they made the match from the hair taken from
37:52
Speaker 2: Lupita salon floor to something found at the scene. Is
37:59
Speaker 2: it possible that the suspect got a wound himself from
38:05
Speaker 2: his own knife at the scene.
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Speaker 17: Yes, it's very possible that when someone's stabbing an individual,
38:12
Speaker 17: the knife can become slippery and if it doesn't have
38:15
Speaker 17: like a crossguard on it, the handle slip past the
38:20
Speaker 17: knife as it becomes slippery and then get cut, and
38:23
Speaker 17: then they'll reposition and then continue stabbing. But it is
38:27
Speaker 17: very possible that they got injuries from their own knife
38:30
Speaker 17: during the stabbing.
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Speaker 2: We know that, according to at least one witness, the
38:35
Speaker 2: perp had blood on his face. We also know that
38:40
Speaker 2: he had cuts to his hand. Regarding the cuts to
38:44
Speaker 2: his hand, how would those cuts in any way aid
38:49
Speaker 2: an identification and or a DNA match.
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Speaker 17: Well, it cuts from his hand would of course bleed,
38:55
Speaker 17: and the blood itself would get on the individual's bodies
38:59
Speaker 17: that he killed. They would also get on the scene
39:02
Speaker 17: so that blood could then be used for a DNA
39:05
Speaker 17: analysis matching it back to him.
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you could tell us miss Harrol about
39:11
Speaker 2: the dynamic between her and her husband.
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Speaker 1: They seemed very happily married.
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Speaker 5: They were they were supportive of each other. Kristen to
39:20
Speaker 5: stay at home mom and Clinton worked. When she decided
39:23
Speaker 5: to attempt to go through the nursing program and at
39:26
Speaker 5: the two year programs was very difficult, like you're away
39:31
Speaker 5: for two years just because of how much time you
39:34
Speaker 5: have to put into it. And Clinton told her to
39:37
Speaker 5: jump in with both feet, like there's no reason we
39:39
Speaker 5: can't get through this. And That's exactly what Kristen did.
39:45
Speaker 5: With Clinton's support, she was able to become a nurse
39:47
Speaker 5: and and that just allowed them to do so much
39:50
Speaker 5: more with their kids. They started traveling more and it
39:55
Speaker 5: was just it was they built this beautiful life together.
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Speaker 2: Of people are looking for a connection between the suspect,
40:05
Speaker 2: as he is called the Devil's Den killer and them.
40:08
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew each other. I think that
40:10
Speaker 2: this was just a chance meeting on that trail. Do
40:14
Speaker 2: you have any reason to believe they knew this guy?
40:17
Speaker 5: I don't. I agree with you. It was completely random.
40:21
Speaker 5: I mean they were in Arkansas for what a month.
40:24
Speaker 2: If you'll look at this Salon video we're showing you
40:26
Speaker 2: right now from Lupida's notice he keeps keeping his hands
40:28
Speaker 2: when he's walking around in his pockets so the cuts
40:32
Speaker 2: are not visible, only taking them out to explain how
40:35
Speaker 2: he wants his hair buzzed off. Leave it long in
40:38
Speaker 2: the front to cover his face, but buzz up the
40:39
Speaker 2: back so it can't be traced back or compared to
40:43
Speaker 2: that rear shot of him in the forest, doctor Kendall Crowns.
40:47
Speaker 2: Many people have argued that the hair on the floor
40:52
Speaker 2: of Lupita's salon cannot be matched DNA wise to DNA
40:57
Speaker 2: the scene because.
40:59
Speaker 1: There may not be nucleus in the hair. They're not
41:03
Speaker 1: from the root.
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Speaker 2: That is completely discounting mitochondrial DNA found in everyone's hair.
41:10
Speaker 2: Explain what is mitochondrial DNA, doctor Kendall Crowns, And how
41:14
Speaker 2: can mitochondrial DNA give us a DNA match to blood
41:17
Speaker 2: on the scene.
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Speaker 17: So mitochondrial DNA is DNA that is found in all
41:22
Speaker 17: cells miochondria or these little organelles within the cell itself,
41:28
Speaker 17: and they carry DNA matches that can be matched back
41:32
Speaker 17: to you. It's actually passed down from your mom, So
41:36
Speaker 17: it's DNA that you get from your mom. Now that
41:39
Speaker 17: being said, it's president your hair it's president your cells,
41:44
Speaker 17: so it can be used to make a match back
41:47
Speaker 17: to the individual that they recover tissue from.
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Speaker 10: At the scene.
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Speaker 2: You know, in this day and age, I'm surprised the
41:53
Speaker 2: world doesn't know about mitochondrial DNA. But when you think
41:57
Speaker 2: of the nucleus at the end of the hair, it's
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Speaker 2: the root. In the root, you have the mom and
42:04
Speaker 2: the dad DNA giving you a DNA match. Right, You've
42:10
Speaker 2: got both the mom and the dad's DNA in that nucleus.
42:13
Speaker 2: But with mitochondrial DNA, that's not necessary. Mitochondrial DNA matches
42:18
Speaker 2: can give you matches statistically such as one in four million,
42:22
Speaker 2: four trillion. Even you don't need the nigglius of the hair.
42:25
Speaker 2: I want to be very clear about that.
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Speaker 5: That's correct.
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Speaker 17: Your information is accurate.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendle Crowns.
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Speaker 2: What wounds do you expect to find on the defendant
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Speaker 2: and what traces do you believe he left in his
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Speaker 2: own car and at his apartment.
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Speaker 17: I would expect to see wounds on the hands from
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Speaker 17: if his knife slipped and he cut his hands. Also,
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Speaker 17: there would be injuries if the individuals that were murdered
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Speaker 17: scratched at his hand, arms or tried to scratch his face,
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Speaker 17: you would see abrasion type injuries on his hands or
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Speaker 17: face as well, but probably you would see insized wounds
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Speaker 17: or cuts on the palms of the hands, mainly doctor Crown's.
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Speaker 2: I want to be clear on another issue as well,
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Speaker 2: to avoid claims of contamination. When a victim's body is
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Speaker 2: taken from the scene, their hands are wrapped. They're covered,
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Speaker 2: usually in a paper bag, not plastic, and at the
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Speaker 2: wrist it is contained with typically a rubber band.
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Speaker 1: So over their hands, a paper bag with a.
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Speaker 2: Rubber band, okay, to preserve any DNA as you pointed out,
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Speaker 2: under their nails or blood on their hands. Okay, why
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Speaker 2: is that done? How do you retrieve the DNA out
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Speaker 2: from under the nails? Because I imagine this guy was
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Speaker 2: covered in scratch, marches marks, not just on his hands,
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Speaker 2: but in other places even though he had on a
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Speaker 2: long sleeve like his face or his neck. How is
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Speaker 2: that preserved and why a paper bag versus a plastic bag.
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Speaker 17: Okay, so let's start with the paper bags. We use
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Speaker 17: paper bag because plastic bags create moisture. Moisture can create
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Speaker 17: bacteria or mold production, which then can create false DNA problems.
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Speaker 17: So paper is breathable, so you use that. You cover
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Speaker 17: the hands with paper because that protects the DNA from
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Speaker 17: the scene, so it gets to the autopsy unblemish by
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Speaker 17: anything that could happen during transport. As far as obtaining
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Speaker 17: the DNA, will do a couple of things. Swabs with
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Speaker 17: steril saline on it or a sterile solution on it
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Speaker 17: that's then rubbed underneath the fingernails to get the bits
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Speaker 17: and pieces out. We'll use a wood a steril wood
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Speaker 17: scraper to scrape the fingernails as well. We'll do saline
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Speaker 17: swabs on the hands, the knuckles, the palms, and then
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Speaker 17: we'll take the fingernails and clip them off and use
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Speaker 17: those and turn them into the crime lab. If the
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Speaker 17: individuals decomposed enough, you can actually remove the entire fingernail
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Speaker 17: from the hand and turn that into the trime lab.
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Speaker 17: For DNA analysis, you got to look at for a
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Speaker 17: white mail suspect wearing black clothes.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be a white mail a white male
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Speaker 1: teacher wearing white.
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Speaker 3: Gloves and right in a dark colored pants, sunglasses, dark
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Speaker 3: colored pants, and a dark color can hop.
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Speaker 16: I'm confident that we have the right defendant in this
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Speaker 16: case and the public.
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Speaker 9: Need don't worry going forward.
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Speaker 15: McGann is facing two capital murder charges and the prosecutor
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Speaker 15: says he will be seeking the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at Action five News.
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Speaker 2: Will this go to trial, will they seek the death
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Speaker 2: penalty or will it fizz out like Coburger did. A
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Speaker 2: mother and a father dead on a hiking trail defending
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Speaker 2: their children. We wait as justice and folds, and we
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Speaker 2: will be in court for that arrangment. Nancy Gray signing off,
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Speaker 2: goodbye friend
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