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All right, what's up everyone? Welcome in to Inside the Hoosier
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Mind, brought to you in part by military Broadcast radio,
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helping give veterans a voice here with Mike Hughes, the shy
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kid back after a 4th of July break and honestly, just another
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little extended vacation because I was not.
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I had a migraine last time. I was not feeling it.
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And yeah, it was. It was just rough.
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But we're back. Mike, buddy, How are you?
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Good Sir. I'm doing a lot better than
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Najee Harris and his 4th of July brother.
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That's, that's how I'm doing my fingers.
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Fingers are still here, all 10 at this point in 2025.
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Man, I, I don't know how, especially with professional
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athletes who need their hands are, are still at this point
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where guys are losing fingers on the 4th.
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I, I feel like I should be in contract.
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You know, I, I know Patrick Mahomes, if I'm not mistaken,
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isn't allowed to like go skiing or like play basketball or stuff
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like that during the offseason because I just don't want him to
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get hurt. I, I don't, I don't think we
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need a firework clause in contracts, but tone, I think we
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do. But my my 4th is pretty pretty
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solid. I can tell you from a military
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aspect, we used to get safety briefings a lot and we used to
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get weekend safety briefings in particular, and we would always
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get one around the 4th of July. And one of those was definitely
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don't be stupid with fireworks. Like a lot of times the bare
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basics of a military safety brief was don't add to the
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population unless you intend to. Don't subtract from the
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population unless you're prepared to suffer.
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The judge does not come in until Mondays unless it's a holiday
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weekend and he's not coming until Tuesday.
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And your first Sergeant may or may not be the person that comes
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and gets you if first Sergeant decides to do that.
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So, yeah, if there's ever anything, if there's ever a
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safety brief or there's ever a warning label on something, it's
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because somebody did it in the past, and that's why we have
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those today. Yep.
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But but yeah, it, it's, it's crazy, buddy.
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We are. We're like halfway through the
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offseason for football as a whole.
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We got 6 Saturdays left until college football starts again,
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which I'm excited. I'm ready to go NCAA 26 dropping
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that helps quite a bit because that kind of helps, you know,
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kind of get real deep, you know, ease into that, be like year 20
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of your dynasty and whatnot. And then you can, you know, you
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can start watching regular college football and whatnot,
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guys. The 20th year senior over here
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inside the Hoosier mine. It's crazy. 20 national titles
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like LSU undefeated, never taken AL.
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Stenson Bennett going wild. Transferred to 8 junior
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colleges. I have 9 pH DS but nonetheless
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though buddy there there is a little bit of some drama though
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because because it is the offseason, I feel like the
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deeper you get into it, the more the drama stirs because
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everybody's getting restless before the season starts and
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what not. That's when all the juicy stuff
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happens. So the biggest one being the
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Bengals first round pick out of this previous draft, Shamar
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Stewart out of Texas A&M, drafted number 17th overall this
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past April with the Bengals still has not signed his rookie
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contract. Now for my understanding from
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everything that I've read, it's the verbiage in the contract.
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And again, if everything I read and understood is true and if
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anybody knows a little bit better deeper, please feel free
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to correct me. It's essentially if anything was
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to happen to him as far as like injuries go, depending on how
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good or how bad it is, they could potentially have an escape
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as far as paying him his money that he's owed.
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Now, the weird thing, well, not the weird thing, but the benefit
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of a lot of these rookie deals is a lot of the money is
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guaranteed up front. Now the bad part for Shamar
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Stewart is he got drafted to an organization who unfortunately
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is a lot like Jerry Jones, very stingy and stringent about
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giving up money as far as two sides go.
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So the Bengal, the Bengals owners are not a fan of it.
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So he still hasn't signed and there's rumors and potential
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that he could even try to return back to Texas A&M for this
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coming season. Now, obviously he would have to
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fill out a waiver. There's a little bit of a
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lawsuit process he'd have to go through with the NCAA and it may
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not completely end up going well for him because if he does that,
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there is a potential that he could.
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That completely threw me off. I don't, I don't know why that
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little change up there just threw me out.
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I don't know if you saw that. I saw it completely threw me.
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Off I didn't see it. Oh I saw it but nonetheless
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though it it's bad because if it doesn't go through and he tries
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to forgo football he could re enter the draft next year.
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But what will that do to his draft stock if he does?
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Because you've already been drafted this past season.
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You didn't sign the contract because of issues and disputes.
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Are you going to be labeled as, you know, a problem?
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And then on top of that, where are you going to be drafted in
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the future? Because do people still consider
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you a first round talent because you may or may not have to sit
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out for an entire year before you do anything.
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And this is kind of how you're portraying yourself, not saying
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that Shamar's in the wrong. That's just the potential.
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And I know you brought up two. There's only one second round
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pick that has even signed his contract so far this offseason
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across the entire league, only one second second round pick.
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So Mike, buddy, I'll kind of pitch the first question to you.
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And you you kind of tell me what you think.
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Do you think, do you think this is more on the athletes
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themselves as far as now that they have NIL, there's a little
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bit more flexibility in their say of where they want to play,
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what they want to do or, and this, the second part is where
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I'm kind of leaning more towards, do you think it's the
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agents? And I'm even going to say agents
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because I don't know how many of them are legitimate agents or
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not. Who's just an uncle like?
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Right. Is it, is it family members that
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are giving these kids bad advice and they're not giving them
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what's truly going to set them up best for success as far as,
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look, this is what you need to negotiate.
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This is what you need to fight and work for.
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Do you think it's something like that with some of these kids
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being kind of steered the wrong direction?
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Because I know we talked a little bit about it as far as
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the NBA goes with Bailey for the Jazz, as far as him not him not
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showing up at all. And it's like, all right, well,
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that agent isn't exactly doing him the biggest of favors
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either. So what what's your thought on
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now? Kind of really all these
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collegiate athletes coming into these professional leagues, in a
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sense, it kind of seems either really misled or they're like
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really entitled, one of the two. Well, first, inside the Hoosier
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mind, we're only human and we point out things that aren't in
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this topics or in the conversations.
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Tony was thrown off earlier by something at the top of the
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screen, but as you were talking, something threw me off.
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Tone, I'm looking at your headset right now and you have
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this green screen on and right here on both sides it looks as
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if nothing's connected or like keeping the earpieces on.
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And while you were talking, I fully heard your questions but I
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had to repeat them to myself like 3 different times because
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I'm looking at it and 1st I saw the left side and I'm looking at
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it. I'm looking at it.
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I'm like that's crazy and maybe it's just cracked.
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And then I look at the right side and I go Oh my God, it's on
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both sides. So I don't know what color that
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is for you. Is it green?
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It's stainless steel, believe it or not.
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Stainless. So then why is it?
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Why is it picking up on the green screen?
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That's crazy. I don't know.
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Real funny right? Right before you said that I was
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looking I was like Oh my ears are floating.
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So glad you and I are on the same wavelength.
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I was like, remember the question, remember the question,
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but first Shamar man, first I and I, I said earlier, who's
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Shamar? No disrespect to him, but it's
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because I genuinely didn't I, you know, I watched college
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football, but I, I was very familiar with him.
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He wasn't a top five, top ten pick.
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So it's just the, the, the case or for me, I didn't know who he
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was. So from an NIL perspective, I
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don't know how much money he actually made through and I owe
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money. I we'd have to look into that
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because, but I don't see him being privileged.
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I see that being a reasonable case because you mentioned it
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earlier. Only one, which I, I, it was my
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fault. It's two second round picks have
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signed their contracts out of the 32.
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And I'll tell you why because the 1st 2 picks in the second
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round get fully guaranteed deals.
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The rest don't. And that's just the way it goes.
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I don't know why that's what Google AI was telling me, but
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you know, it's it's interesting to see that all these second
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round picks are kind of in a situation to where they're like,
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no man, fuck this like where we want fully guaranteed deals if
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these two get it, why don't we? It shouldn't matter if they were
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the first two picks of the second round.
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And I tie that back into the first part of the question,
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because you're basically indicating to a first round pick
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that you're fully guaranteed deal that even a second rounder
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is getting, you know, 'cause there are two second rounders
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who are getting fully guaranteed deals.
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I'm a first round pick going to Cincinnati.
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You know, you, you give Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase, T Higgins,
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all this money, still haven't paid Trey Hendrickson from what
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I understand. And I don't get a fully
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guaranteed deal if I break my neck for you.
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That's bullshit. I don't think it's entitlement.
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I don't think it's anything about the agents, man.
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I just think at the end of the day, man, this guy is just like,
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dude, every other first round pick has a fully guaranteed deal
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and I get the short end of the stick.
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And like you said, I'm not I'm I'm not with the Cowboys, you
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know what I mean? I'm not with one of the worst
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ran organizations in the league. This is a team that was in the
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Super Bowl just a few years ago. So, and obviously they don't
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mind paying you because they did pay Jamar.
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They did pay T they did pay Joe like they they have no problem
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with it. So why can't I get a fully
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guaranteed deal? Tone is it would be my question.
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If a second rounder's getting it, then why can't I?
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So I I definitely do agree, like the Ace Bailey situation.
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There's agents out there that you just kind of shake your head
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at. You know, there's other ones
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where it's your mom and and did your mom, you know, get a has.
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Does she have a business degree? Is she in law in any way?
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I have no idea, but in, in, in terms of Shamar I, I, I
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definitely do think he's in the right.
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I think he's fully capable of getting that full time deal.
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And, and if you do go back to college, you know, does that
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mess with your draft stock a little bit next year?
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I don't think so, because I think other teams would be like,
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yeah, that's a normal. Like it's it's kind of like
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walking into a hospital and asking them, Hey, can you treat
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me? Yeah, probably that's a bad
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analogy, but you know what I mean?
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Like, you know what I mean? Like most, most hospitals you
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walk into, if you need help, they're going to help you.
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So if you walk into the one that won't, I mean, just go somewhere
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else, you know what I mean? Like I have no problem with
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that. Yeah.
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And and the other thing I read is supposedly this is the
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verbiage is the same, I think it's in like 2721 or 27 other
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teams contracts across the league.
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It's the exact same verbiage and I don't know if it's Cincy is
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maybe highlighting something a little different, if maybe
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they've changed or tweaked a couple things as far as you
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know, the fully guaranteed money maybe being like flexible or
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fluid or whatever the case may be.
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But I mean, to his credit too, and he, you know, it's been
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mentioned with other people, like you said, you know, all
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these other first round picks beforehand, even within the last
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couple of years, haven't had to deal with this.
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Why am I the only one dealing with it?
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And much to your point, the other two second rounders, they
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may not have to deal with this. Why do I have to deal with it?
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So I, I don't blame him for being cautious at all.
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The only thing that I think to me, and I and I say it because
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we've seen this happen a lot throughout the league when it
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comes to guys that take a stand for something that they believe
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in, no matter what it it may or may not be, they tend to be
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ostracized and they tend to be, you know, I don't want to say
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blackballed, but they realistically get blackballed as
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far as you know, Hey, you, you bucked up against the system.
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You did something that we didn't really want you to do.
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Because, you know, at the end of the day, it's these young men's
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lives. It's their future, it's their
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career being put on the line, not the people that are signing
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the checks, not the people that are paying them.
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It's, it's the young men actually on the field doing
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this. And the, the thing that kind of
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worries me is if you try to go back to college and now if
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college works, you can at least you, you know, threw in Aiella
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what not, you can potentially get back quite a bit of money.
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And the, and the reports are, is he's been seen back at College
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Station down there in Texas, you know, working out the
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facilities. Now, he's not doing team
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workouts because that's not allowed at the current moment,
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but he is allowed to be there. There's a lot of reports that
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NFL players do that before they move to their respective cities
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and whatnot. They'll still go back to
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college. They'll get their workouts in
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and whatnot using the facilities.
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I've I've never heard of that being a huge issue before.
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But then the other thing too, let's say you are able to play
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in college, you know, you're, you're able to do that, you
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know, go through it and then you're potentially able to be
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drafted again. Cincy still potentially holds
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your draft stock rights. So you may be having to go back
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to Cincy. Now, there is a, according to
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let me make sure I read it correctly, according to msn.com.
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So if Shimur, if if Stewart were tried to play again, he'd have
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to take legal action against the NCAA in order to get his
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eligibility back, which, you know, the NCAA has lost quite a
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few battles. So it could potentially be
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there. But the Bengals would retain his
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draft rights if he returned, although he could potentially
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get that worked around as far as a court battle goes if he wants
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to really do that. If he were to forgo football
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entirely, he would be able to then re enter the draft next
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year where every team except Cincinnati would be able to
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draft. So again, to me, to me, the only
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thing that makes me worried is because if we know anything
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about NFL teams and especially NFL owners, they're like this,
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They stick together no matter what through thick and thin.
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I mean, heck, look at how much it took to get Dan Snyder fired
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from the Commanders. As far as you know, being an
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owner goes like it took everything in its power to be
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able to do that. So to me, no matter what, I feel
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like if he goes down this route, and I'm not saying that he needs
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to, you know, go ahead and accept it or get what he can
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while he can. I'm not saying that by no
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stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying he needs to
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potentially be prepared for this might not end the way that you
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or really any fan wants it to end.
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As far as you're, I'm not going to say his career is going to be
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over because I think there would always be a team that would be
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willing to give him a chance, right?
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But he's going to have to scrape and fight to get that chance is
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the problem. You might get that Shador
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Sanders treatment to where it's like, hey man, look and look, I
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to this day, I think we don't really understand what really
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went down in that. We're going to find out in the
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upcoming months. We're going to see Shador play
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live action. He's getting eaten up by defense
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as it is what it is, but it kind of kind of felt like something,
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whether it was Dion or it was chador himself or maybe just the
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Sanders family as a whole rubbed NFL owners the wrong way,
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dropping him all the way to the fifth round.
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That wasn't that wasn't a coincidence that that was that
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was planned. I felt like it was it was
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blackballed 100%. So definitely would be
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interesting to see how that kind of plays out.
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But you feel for the kid too because it's like, you know, you
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have all this guaranteed money if you do play and stay healthy.
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If you if you sign this contract right now, maybe you never get
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injured and you get however much money you're getting, you know,
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in that first round contract. But if you get drafted in the
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fifth round, then you never get injured, not making a lot of
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money, you know what I mean? Then you really have to show up
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and show out every single day. It's kind of like you're a walk
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on in college all over again. You're fighting for that spot to
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get that, you know, first extension 4-5 years later.
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Yeah, and someone brought it up and I can't remember who, but
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someone had brought up the really good point as far as the
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difference between being a first round pick and being a fifth
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round pick. Being a first round pick, you'll
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almost always get another two to three chances like Mitch
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Trubisky. Look at Zach Wilson.
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You know, Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson.
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Heck, how many other first round court?
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Like not even just quarterbacks, but first round players in
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general? Sam Darnold.
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Sam Darnold, Trent Richardson, I mean all these first round guys,
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it's like, OK, well, you're a first round pick.
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So you know you, you will always have that title behind your back
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and you can, I'd always go to a team, be like, well, I'm a
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former first round pick. You know what, you're right.
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Let's let's go ahead and give you a shot just to see what you
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can do. The only guy I thought I was
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curious because you and I, we talk so much Johnny Football all
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the time. Whenever the whenever I see a
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meme, I send it to Tony right away about Johnny Football.
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But he was really the only guy that I really feel like they
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were like, yeah, bro, get him out of here.
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You know what I mean? Like, we never saw him again.
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That was it. But I think we kind of
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understand why, but definitely expected somebody to take a
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chance on him. I I kind of pair him almost and
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it's going to sound bad. I'd kind of pair him with
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Jamarcus Russell because I mean, it gets another dude taking
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number one overall. Like, yeah, I think you're the
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number one overall pick in the draft.
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Like you said, somebody should be willing to.
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But again, if the reports are bad enough, and obviously, you
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know, as Johnny came out, even admitted in a documentary, as
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other players have come out and, you know, talked about as well,
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he didn't take it seriously. Now maybe that might change
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because it's been what, 12 years since 11 years, I think, since
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he's been drafted because I think he got drafted in 2014.
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Yeah. So it's been 11 years now.
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Eleven years later, that might be a different story.
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But you know, it's kind of the same issue of, well, you haven't
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played a a true down of NFL football since 2014.
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So you know what, what's your quality really going to look
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like? But yeah, it'll it'll be
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interesting to see how this how this pans out with Shamar
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throughout throughout the offseason.
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Maybe, maybe it gets fixed. Maybe it even gets fixed, you
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know, shortly after the show show finishes.
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You never know. But another thing as far as
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college goes that I want to talk about with you, buddy, the NCAA
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Tournament is coming out and I heard a couple different rumors.
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They were even talking about this on the radio the other
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morning. There is talks that the NCAA
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tournament wants to expand from 64 teams to either 68 or 72
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teams in the NCAA tournament, both men's and women's
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basketball. And when I was listening to this
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and I was listening to the show host kind of talk about it, he
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brought up a really good point. At what point do you say enough
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is enough? Because I mean you, you've
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already got 64. And I mean, we, we love March
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Madness because anything can happen.
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You've obviously always got the Cinderella story that can make
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the deep run. You know, usually here in
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Indiana produce the team that gets upset almost every time by
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like a lower seed. But that that's kind of the cool
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part. But it was interesting because
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he brought up the point of when you look at even with the 64, I
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think there's two or four play in games right before the
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tournament officially starts because you can make your
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bracket all the way up until like Thursday morning when the
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first game actually kicks off for the NCAA Tournament.
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So the play in games don't already matter.
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And essentially what this would do is this would create more
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playing games, if I'm understanding correctly.
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And it gives a chance for other small schools that maybe didn't
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make the tournament to potentially get there.
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But again, I mean, at what point are you like kind of enough is
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enough? I mean, you've typically got
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about half of each conference. You know, the Big 10 already has
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18 teams. The SEC is 16.
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The Big 12, I believe, also has 1614 or 16 teams in it.
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Then of course, you still have the Big East in college
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basketball. You have the A10 like you have
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so many other D1 subdivisions in college basketball than you do
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in football. Like when when do you sit there
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and say, OK, we don't, we don't really need the, you know, 14th
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best team in the Big 10 in the tournament because at that
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point, could they potentially make a run?
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Absolutely. But will we have probably seen
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something in between there? Will they have potentially made
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a couple statement games that probably even get them into the
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tournament to start with? Yes, But I don't think that's
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going to make a huge difference moving forward if they try to
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expand it to 72. But what, what's your thoughts
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on it, buddy? Because I mean, I know, I don't
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know how much you follow college basketball.
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I know we're, I know we're getting you into college
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football pretty well. And I know you're, you're,
22:47
you're rocking with rocking with old Rocky Top.
22:50
But you know what? What's your thoughts on at least
22:52
college basketball for both men's and women's wanting to
22:55
expand even more? Yeah, well, look, I'm going to
22:58
completely push the men to the side right now.
23:01
I don't, I don't really, you know, it's, it's conversation we
23:03
can talk about later on, but because of the draft and
23:06
everything, it, it makes more sense now if you're expanding
23:08
these teams, obviously, actually it's going to go into mid-april,
23:12
maybe late April for this entire tournament.
23:15
Now I remember 2024, prior to the Chicago Sky drafting Angel
23:19
Reese and Camila Cardoso, I was at Wrigley Field in a rain
23:23
delay. I believe we were playing the
23:24
Dodgers and the Giant Jumbotron is playing the national
23:28
championship between South Carolina and the Iowa Hawkeyes.
23:31
Now the problem with this is that was April 7th, 2024.
23:34
I was trying to see Shohei Otani.
23:36
You know, I want to see everybody in LA.
23:39
The WNBA draft was April 15th, So Camilla Cardoso being in that
23:44
championship game, you know, in a weeks time is drafted into the
23:48
WNBA and that entire week she's pretty much in New York or
23:51
wherever the draft is going to be held in the future.
23:54
And that's kind of a problem for me is if you're you're expanding
23:57
the tournament, then the WNBA draft for some of these women,
24:01
they might hear their names getting called while they're
24:03
still playing in the tournament. And and that's something to me
24:06
where it's like the WNBA isn't going to budget.
24:08
The WNBA isn't going to be like, hey, look, we're going to
24:10
completely change the the date of the draft to accommodate you
24:15
in the tournament. They don't care, you know what I
24:16
mean? Like they're still going to do
24:18
the draft around the same time because the season starts in
24:20
May. So you know, it definitely
24:22
doesn't make sense. I think if any anything, March
24:25
Madness might have to start in late February.
24:28
I think that that would make a lot more sense.
24:30
But to expand it later than it already is, I mean, Camila
24:33
Cardo, so like I said, wins the national championship April 7th
24:37
and then April 15th a week later is in the WNBA getting ready for
24:41
training camp like there's no break.
24:43
And I think that's a big problem because we have seen not only on
24:46
the women's side, but on the men's side, a lot of guys
24:49
getting injured right now, a lot of players getting injured.
24:51
We see a lot more ACL tears as of late.
24:54
It's been happening a lot throughout the league,
24:55
especially on the women's side. And I think a big part of that
24:58
is nonstop competition. These girls are playing nonstop.
25:02
So it definitely doesn't benefit them whatsoever to be to have to
25:07
literally pack your bags, move all the way somewhere else to an
25:10
entire new program. OK, you got a month to figure
25:12
out this new system. Boom.
25:14
Now you're now you're traded or you're waived.
25:16
And there's all these different things happening in the West.
25:18
So, and then there's the health side of it as well.
25:20
It's a lot tone. I, I think it's definitely a bad
25:23
idea in my personal opinion. And I'm going to, I'm going to
25:26
grab the boys and grab the men back.
25:29
Pause I think for me, man, the men's side just has to get a lot
25:34
more entertaining for me to really care.
25:36
I, I think sometimes we're talking about the Cooper flags
25:38
at Duke or the Zions at, at North Carolina or, you know, we
25:42
can, we can go down the list of all these different amazing
25:44
players Kentucky with, with all the great players that they've
25:47
had UConn. But tone, I don't really even
25:51
care to watch some of the best powerhouse schools in all of
25:55
men's college basketball. You think I want to watch DePaul
25:58
or, or somewhere in some, some small school in Chicago or
26:01
somewhere else be a part of the tournament.
26:03
I don't. And and and that's really where
26:05
I'm at with that. I think on the men's side, there
26:08
needs to be that Paige Becker's Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark
26:12
caliber player again, because they're starting to lose it,
26:14
man, and the viewership is showing that.
26:16
So just to add a few more weeks, I guess the numbers will look a
26:18
little bit better, but they're skewed numbers because you're
26:21
adding more games, you know what I mean?
26:22
So I think you just got to bring the fun back into college hoops,
26:25
man, because I grew up watching it.
26:27
It was a lot of fun. Shout out Randy and and and the
26:30
and the tigers, you know, shout out, shout out Memphis baby.
26:33
But you know, D Rose, watching him do what he did, it was
26:35
incredible. But, you know, I think it's just
26:38
lost its touch a little bit. What do you think?
26:40
Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree. I think I think especially with
26:43
the men's side here here the last few years, and I mean, we
26:48
we still used to see it, but I feel like we didn't used to see
26:50
it as often. You know, look at the Cooper
26:52
flags, who 18 years old, true freshman at Duke one season and
26:57
he's like, all right, going to the NBA like, whoa, wait a
27:00
minute, buddy. Whoa.
27:01
You could, again, like you said, you could really build up your
27:04
star power. You could really build up that
27:06
phantom. Now, again, you're obviously
27:08
ready for the league 'cause he just dropped like 31 points in
27:11
game two of the summer League, which doesn't really matter, but
27:14
still. Shut him down.
27:15
Immediately after that, right, they're like, yeah, you're no,
27:18
you're done, buddy. You're good.
27:19
You, you, yeah, you've already proven it.
27:23
So to me, that kind of sucks because there's not that like
27:25
there's not that longevity, there's not that continuity.
27:29
And I will say Buddy Zion also went to Duke and Duke North
27:33
Carolina. I said North Carolina, Huh.
27:35
You did. You did.
27:36
You know why in my head, and somebody can clown me if I'm
27:40
wrong, wasn't it North Carolina versus Duke when his shoe
27:43
exploded? I think so.
27:45
Yeah, that's kind of why I always, when I think about Zion
27:48
in college, I always resonated with that game.
27:49
That's crazy that I said that. Anybody listens to that.
27:51
It's probably like this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's
27:53
talking about. Well, especially Duke fans are
27:55
gonna be like, don't, don't you ever disrespect him by calling
27:58
him a Tar Heel. And I'm I'm assuming Ray is
27:59
probably also watching like don't, don't, don't ever put him
28:02
in a Tar Heel. Uniform.
28:03
Y'all would have took them. Y'all would y'all?
28:05
Hey, it was Zion versus Kobe White.
28:07
Come on, tell me, Tell me who was better, brother, You know
28:09
what I mean? Like I I love, you know, I love
28:12
North Carolina. I got no problem with the Tar
28:13
Heels. Michael Jordan's the Tar Heel
28:15
forever and home. And you know what you're talking
28:17
about it, though, Michael Jordan, what, 3 Four Seasons
28:19
with the Tar Heels? I mean, that he stayed even
28:21
after winning a national championship.
28:22
So definitely don't see that anymore.
28:24
And I think kind of piggybacks our last conversation where it's
28:28
like that guaranteed money in the NBA don't matter, bro.
28:31
Like, we're taking it, you know what I mean?
28:32
And then the contract situation's a lot different as
28:34
well. So it's like, I feel like guys
28:36
in the NBAI mean, they're cream of the crop when it comes to
28:39
like getting kind of everything they've ever wanted.
28:41
You can tear your ACL the day, you can walk on the podium, the
28:45
day of the draft and terrier ACL, but as long as long as you
28:48
heard your name call, brother, you're good.
28:49
You know what I mean? That's true.
28:51
And I so here's the other thing and I, it might just sound weird
28:55
and it's probably because I, I never played, I never did sports
28:59
in high school. Nothing, nothing like that
29:01
growing up to an extent. And it, and maybe maybe this is
29:05
also just me coming from a place where I didn't have a lot of
29:07
money. I still don't have a lot of
29:08
money. Like, like if I'm Cooper flag
29:11
and I'm 18, you know, I don't know how much Duke was paying
29:14
him. And I'm not even going to try to
29:16
speculate what that what that potential amount was.
29:19
Let me think about it. Let's say, let's say
29:20
hypothetically, Duke's paying you like 2 mil, right?
29:24
And you're in college. It's like, man, I'm Cooper flag.
29:27
Like I got, I got great. And then you look at somewhere,
29:30
you know, that has a whole lot of boosters.
29:32
It's willing to spend a whole lot of money as far as, you
29:34
know, basketball and whatnot goes.
29:36
So you'd say you look at Baylor, you look at Kansas and they're
29:38
like, hey, we'll we'll pitch you like, you know, 3-4 mil, you
29:43
come play with us, try to get U.S.
29:44
National title, OK, Then you go there.
29:47
No. And this and this is even
29:48
including all the brand deals. Like I know he has a deal with
29:52
New Balance. New Balance.
29:53
And fanatics. So I mean, so you got that money
29:57
on top of what you're making, you know, from the schools
30:00
themselves. And then, you know, now you're
30:03
now you're at least a sophomore, you've got at least, you know,
30:06
567 mil just in the bank from the schools.
30:11
You can do one more year even if you really wanted to somewhere
30:13
else that's probably going to pay you a ton of money or that's
30:16
those same schools will pay to keep you.
30:18
Now, again, much to your point, you go in the NBA side and
30:22
obviously for him, he's going to get a ton of money because he's
30:24
going to be, you know, one of the best picks and one of the
30:26
best players out there. But realistically, like if
30:29
you're already doing that at 18, barring you having any type of
30:33
major career ending injury in college, to me, you're kind of
30:37
in a safe bet no matter what. Because one, if you do have a
30:40
major career ending injury, but you've managed to get to that
30:42
point, you've already got a few mil set back anyway.
30:47
So realistically you're still set.
30:50
If you go to the NBA, you're double set because now you have
30:53
both the college money and you had the professional money.
30:56
But I mean that that that's just kind of my thought of it.
30:59
But I do agree, I think with the men's side, what kind of makes
31:03
the men's side almost, almost less entertaining, but
31:08
entertaining at the same time, is the amount of parity that's
31:11
in the men's side because we don't have like on the women's
31:14
side, you don't have the Yukons, the South Carolinas, the
31:18
Tennessees, the Ohio State's, I remember right, Indiana did
31:23
really well last year for them. Maryland did really well.
31:25
LSU, you know, you don't have those side.
31:29
You don't have that on the mends.
31:30
Like Florida kind of went all in, won the national title.
31:34
I know they brought kind of a couple of guys back, but a
31:35
couple guys obviously got drafted and left.
31:39
You know, Duke lost Cooper flag, you know, but I know Duke's
31:42
usually pretty good about retooling.
31:44
You know, what does Kentucky look like?
31:45
Michigan State had a pretty good run, but same thing.
31:47
They lost a couple of guys. So I mean, it that that's kind
31:50
of the big thing is there's it's it's a lot of questions.
31:54
And like you said, there's not that one definitive star in the
31:57
men's side that you're like, man, this guy is gonna be, he's
32:00
gonna own the league next year. For sure.
32:03
And also by the way, so I'm looking up right now, Cooper
32:05
flags revenue and iOS doesn't really say anything about how
32:08
much Duke paid them, but we can kind of infer that it was some
32:12
pretty some pretty solid money for a freshman and NIL deals
32:17
between New Balance and Fanatics, it says Cooper flag is
32:20
estimated around $28 million throughout the 2024-2025 season.
32:25
So you look at his rookie contract, let's not even talk
32:28
about his rookie contract, but just his annual AV throughout
32:31
the first four years as a Dallas Maverick.
32:33
You're looking at $13.8 million his rookie year, 20252026
32:38
season, 14,000,014 and a half million in the second year,
32:41
15,000,000 in his third and 19 million in his fourth year.
32:45
Then he becomes a restricted free agent, not even
32:48
unrestricted free agent, a restricted free agent.
32:49
So that's when you know the the salary matches and they can
32:52
match the contracts all happen. That's it's a whole different
32:54
ball game, but you're looking at a double amount of rookie salary
32:59
for Cooper flag if you would just stayed in college and you
33:01
know, with New Balance and Fanatics and who whatever else
33:04
comes with that, it definitely does, you know, interest me when
33:08
we have these type of types of conversations because if you
33:11
really want to build your brand, I think the best way to do it is
33:15
through college hoops. You know, you're really trying
33:17
to make a dynasty out over there at Duke and the only way you can
33:21
really do that is just continuing to play with each
33:23
other every single day. You hear Kevin Durant talk about
33:26
like, hey, man, look, I don't care what country it is.
33:29
I don't care how long you guys play together.
33:31
Like we're Team USA and we're going to just, you know, batten
33:34
down the hatches and we're going to take over.
33:36
That's cool, but in college that's kind of the complete
33:39
opposite. I feel like the longer guys
33:40
really do get to play with each other, the more chemistry, the
33:43
more time they really just start to really just grow and
33:46
financially, I mean, it just makes a lot more sense for him
33:48
to stay. So I I definitely do think
33:50
Cooper flag may have jumped the gun a little bit on on joining
33:53
the Dallas Mavericks. Do I feel some type of way
33:55
because the Bulls could have had them?
33:57
You know, we we hit tails instead of heads on a coin flip.
34:00
I definitely do. But you know, nonetheless, man,
34:04
I I definitely do think it's interesting how you know, guys,
34:07
even though the NIL money is there and it's more than an NBA
34:11
salary, you know, players still definitely want to still come
34:14
into the league very young. And I think you know, guys like
34:17
LeBron and Kobe Bryant kind of set that standard of like, hey,
34:21
man, we want to start young. Luka Dodge.
34:23
It's another one played overseas, a little different of
34:25
a situation, but still nonetheless, like you're getting
34:28
a lot of young players coming now.
34:30
And I think for me, it would be really interesting to see what
34:34
type of players, what type of rookie seasons they would have
34:37
if they weren't 1819 years old. And really they were 2223 and
34:41
they just came into their own throughout those four years.
34:44
Because you get to grow in college, you get to have
34:46
mistakes. Cooper flag can have a horrible
34:48
performance and it's not going to mean anything if it's at
34:50
Duke. But if it happens with the
34:52
Dallas Mavericks after losing Luka Doncic, it's it's it's a
34:55
very extreme case, but people are going to start freaking out.
34:57
So that's just my opinion on it man, I would say.
35:01
And and here's the other thing too that I that I noticed
35:04
personally, even though funny enough by ratings, by numbers,
35:08
by everything, football is king in the United States.
35:12
Think about some of the biggest brands, They almost always come
35:15
out of basketball. Look at Jordan because of the
35:18
impact that he did in basketball.
35:20
You know, look at Kobe because of the impact he's done in
35:22
basketball. You know, Steph Curry.
35:23
Now, I know LeBron James has his own shoe line, if I understand
35:26
correctly, but what's really funny, I don't think it touches
35:30
Steph's. Now again, I could be completely
35:32
wrong, but I'll be honest. Like I've never heard somebody
35:34
be like, Oh yeah, I need and I don't even know what his shoe is
35:37
called so. I'm not I've worn both.
35:38
I've I've hooped him both. I I think I think Steph Curry's
35:41
shoes are the second most comfortable basketball shoe I've
35:45
ever worn. Kyrie's are my first and the the
35:49
one pair of bronze I had, I forgot what it was, but it had
35:52
like a lion on the back with the crown.
35:54
They were light blue and purple. I got them like a year ago,
35:58
hated him, hated him like and you know me I'm not I'm not a
36:01
brown hater. I love brown.
36:02
I like hated the shoe was very tight, very constricting around
36:06
the ankle kind of just I I saw one that just looked like my
36:10
grandma's couch. You know what I mean like I just
36:12
I didn't like it. I didn't like the design and and
36:15
mind you, curry's the design ain't no better like Under
36:18
Armour. I wish he was with Nike man, and
36:20
I understand Nike fumble that bag, but you know what I mean?
36:23
It's it's it's not a great looking shoe, but it's a
36:26
comfortable looking shoe. So I, I definitely, I definitely
36:28
hear you on that front. I will say real quick as we, as
36:32
we wrap this up as an Under Armour guy, because I, I'll say
36:35
growing up both in the 90s and then as, as the early 2000s
36:39
rolled around, like like most everybody in my high school,
36:41
they always had Nike stuff and whatnot.
36:43
And again, I didn't grow up with a whole lot of money.
36:45
Under Armour was nice because I was like, man, this is like the
36:47
same quality, like same type for like half the price.
36:51
I'm like, I'm riding with Under Armour now.
36:54
They're now everybody, basically the same price, they just copy
36:56
off of each other. But.
36:57
That's how I was. Remember champion?
36:58
Remember when nobody wore champion?
37:00
You were weirder. I always wore champion.
37:02
And now I see it's like the big thing.
37:04
And I'm just like, even my dad. Shut up.
37:05
Hey, shut up. My dad, man.
37:07
He was rocking New Balance shoes to mow the lawn every single
37:09
day, and we clowned him for it. But now it's like Jack Harlow
37:12
wears them and it's cool again. So like, I don't know.
37:15
Hey, that, that's the dad fit too.
37:16
You got to get the, you got to get the white New Balances, a
37:19
little bit of grass. At the green on the bottom.
37:22
You got to get the white socks, you got to get the jorts and
37:25
then the shirt with the with the with the beer Fanny pack and
37:29
whatnot. That was my dad, bro, That was
37:31
my dad. Hey, I love it.
37:33
Hey, Joy, popping in. Hi, Joy, I haven't seen you for
37:36
a while. Go Tigers.
37:38
Exactly right. Hey, I was watching the media
37:40
day, Brian Kelly, as as much as people don't like Brian Kelly,
37:45
it was kind of cool. He came up to the podium and
37:46
they were playing like the the LSU fight song and whatnot.
37:49
And he's sitting up there and they're kind of waiting.
37:52
He's like, I'm not going until that song stops and that song
37:55
stops when it's finished. I was like, that's what I'm
37:57
talking about, Brian, go tights, go tights, go tights.
38:01
But but we do we do have a couple more topics real quick,
38:06
just kind of just kind of in the show, a little bit of fun light.
38:08
Note what not because MM brought these up and and I I do kind of
38:12
agree. It is fun.
38:13
So the cool thing, cool and bad thing about the NFL and teams
38:17
really all throughout any sports is you'll always see, you know,
38:21
old faces in new places with, you know, players going to new
38:25
teams. Obviously Aaron Rodgers went to
38:27
the Steelers. Justin Fields is now with The
38:29
Jets, all of these different crazy moves, you know, Mike, and
38:34
it doesn't even have to be current.
38:35
It could be all time. You know, who was a player that
38:38
you saw just in a different jersey and you're like, man, no,
38:40
that does it. Just it don't look right.
38:42
Like don't don't worry that jersey, man.
38:44
Just don't. Don't do it.
38:46
Yeah, for sure. You know, I thought all night
38:47
about it because I knew we were going to do this topic.
38:50
Recency bias is Justin Fields, man.
38:52
Like you, you, you felt like he was going to be the guy when he
38:55
was in college, whether he was going to be a bear or not.
38:57
Like I was like, Justin Fields is going to be one of those
38:59
guys. So the fact that he ended up in
39:01
a pairs uniform, you know how ecstatic I was about that.
39:03
So it really did hurt to see him rocking the Pittsburgh black and
39:07
gold. But you know, man, the one that
39:10
really just hits home and this is just a Chicago thing in
39:12
general. That doesn't just have to be
39:14
Football League. We can talk about Patrick Kane
39:16
in a Red Wings jersey. We can talk about Derrick Rose
39:18
in a Knicks uniform. But for me, man, and it doesn't
39:22
matter which one it was, whether it was Atlanta, whether it was
39:25
the Ravens or or Seattle, Devin Hester not wearing a Chicago
39:30
Bears uniform from start to finish definitely did hurt.
39:33
Now he's in the hall and obviously he's got that Chicago
39:36
Bears look for his statue at which I love.
39:40
But you know, Devin Hester not being able to break the all time
39:43
record with the Chicago Bears, I believe he broke it with the
39:45
Atlanta Falcons, if I'm not mistaken.
39:47
Sucked, man. It sucked because it didn't make
39:49
any sense and it was just something that I feel like
39:52
should have been a bear for life.
39:54
Never seen in another uniform. But who's yours, man?
39:59
So I got a couple for the. Well, actually, I got three.
40:03
OK, three. Yeah, I'm a little extra.
40:05
I'm gonna do three. That's perfectly.
40:06
Good, I love these talks. One of them, honestly, he never
40:10
even like I don't think there's any pictures of him that exist
40:13
in it because honestly, I don't think I don't think he ever wore
40:17
it. So I don't know if he truly
40:18
counts, but technically Brian Urlacher did sign a one day
40:22
contract and retired with the Packers, which I'm like.
40:26
Yeah, that was just like a fuck. You it was it was but it's also
40:30
one of those like I know you didn't wear it, but but you're
40:34
you're like you're like you're the most recent like Papa bear
40:37
like you are the face of the Chicago Bears like when when you
40:41
see that you. Got the jersey right behind me.
40:44
Right, right above you. The next one.
40:47
He, he wasn't really a bear for long.
40:50
So if you don't want me to include him, I can take him out.
40:53
I remember when Greg Olson got traded to Carolina, big deal.
40:56
I was like, and then you like see his whole career, like how
40:59
great he was. I'm like, why?
41:01
Why did y'all do that? Like why, why did you trade
41:03
Greg? Another one?
41:04
You could probably tie in with that Matt Forte and that jets
41:08
me. For him.
41:09
Not the same. I was at his last game as a
41:12
bear. Is that I think I've told you
41:13
that before, right? I don't think I have.
41:15
It was Megatron's last game and and Forte's last as a bear is
41:18
pretty cool. But A1 that I, you know, roles
41:22
are reversed a little bit. I kind of wanted to throw this
41:25
one to you, who is someone that kind of was a rival to the Bears
41:28
that joined the Bears that you were really excited about, like
41:30
Jared Allen wearing a Chicago Bears uniform to me and my mom
41:34
loved Jared Allen. So like it was like really cool.
41:36
And he was like, I'm going to ride off into the sunset after
41:39
this season. I was like that he did that he
41:41
did. He did a rival.
41:47
I don't know if I'd really consider him a rival.
41:50
And it it kind of ties back in with the first one.
41:53
Like obviously like Julius Peppers was a Panther, like he
41:56
was drafted with the Panthers. He ended his career with the
41:58
Panthers. But I mean, he was nasty on the
42:01
Bears for a hot minute. And and just like Brian.
42:06
He's like he. He went straight to Green Bay.
42:08
He went. Straight to Green Bay.
42:09
Didn't get it. That one pissed me off too.
42:11
That was like an honorable mention.
42:12
But like I just whatever Peps was Pep.
42:15
It was really about Briggs. It was really about her locker
42:17
for me. Peps was just kind of like
42:18
there, like you said, like I think of him as a as a Panther
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before I think of him as a Chicago Bear.
42:23
Yeah, but he, but I will say, you know, he was with the
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Panthers for a while, then he was with the Bears for a hot
42:28
minute. He was still solid.
42:29
Yeah, very solid. I will say for Indy wise hurt a
42:33
lot of Colts fans. When old Peyton went to Denver,
42:37
that hurt a lot of Colts fans. That that one that would hurt a
42:40
lot of people. Didn't hurt me, didn't hurt me,
42:43
but it hurt a lot of Colts fans. Though obviously Little Tone was
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a bear and a cowboy fan at the time.
42:48
He could, he could give a shit like.
42:50
I was like whatever by Peyton, but but one last topic, buddy,
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because I know you wanted to talk about it because because I
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do think it's worth mentioning. So obviously Caleb Williams back
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in the news media being trolled because there's a picture of
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him. You know, he's looking clean.
43:05
He's got he's got like the flower.
43:07
These guys nails painted this. I'm colorblind, so to me they
43:11
look like a light blue. If I'm wrong, you know, correct
43:13
me. Light blue, OK, but but people
43:16
are trolling him because his nails are blue and whatnot.
43:18
And obviously they've trolled Caleb for that all throughout
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college, all throughout the pros and what not.
43:24
They talk about if he's fruity, zesty, you know, whatever the
43:26
case may be. So Mike, I'm a I'm a turn the
43:29
mic over to you as far as your your thoughts on them, them
43:33
trolling and clowning Caleb. Yeah, look, man, I kind of just
43:37
wanted to address it like one time this season because I'm not
43:39
going to be talking about it all year.
43:41
Didn't talk about it last year. I dig it.
43:43
I think it, I think it fucks. I think it's cool, man.
43:47
I personally don't paint my nails.
43:48
Irish, Italian kid, you know, it's just like just not, just
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not, that's not the way we do things.
43:53
But I like, I respect it, you know what I mean?
43:55
Because like what bothers me the most man, is seeing some pretty
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insanely inappropriate comments about Caleb Williams on social
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media from grown men who praised the 90s.
44:04
But then a guy like Dennis Rodman who 3 peated with the 90s
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bulls and you know, was with Madonna and was with all these,
44:11
you know, Carmen Electra and they all these incredible women
44:14
throughout history. And you know, Dennis, Dennis did
44:17
the same thing. Dennis wore dresses.
44:19
I remember Dennis wearing a wedding dress.
44:20
I remember Dennis dying his hair, painting his fingernails.
44:23
He's got the giant hoops in his nose, he's got the tattoos,
44:25
everything. And people love Dennis Rodman
44:27
and, and you got all these guys praise in the 90s, but then
44:31
completely forget about the quarterbacks that came before
44:33
us. Like, you know, Jim McMahon used
44:35
the Punky QB showed his ass to a helicopter one time when they
44:38
when they were trying to find out if he was going to play that
44:40
week. I think he had a bruise on his
44:42
butt or, or around his butt. So he just whipped out his butt
44:45
during practice and the news helicopter saw it.
44:47
Like, I think we're very quick to forget, Like there's so many
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people in history who went this way.
44:53
I mean, you look at the band Kiss.
44:54
They wore makeup, but I bet you kiss hooked up with 100 times
44:59
more girls than the average American man will ever.
45:02
So it's it's kind of just weird to me when a grown man is
45:06
questioning the way another man dresses or looks.
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It's kind of weird to me. I don't know, it's just me Tone.
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I don't know how you feel about it.
45:13
I I could care less what he wears.
45:15
I'm going to be honest, for me it's one of those as long as
45:18
you, you are free to do whatever you want to do.
45:22
As long as you don't infringe or stop somebody else from doing
45:26
what they want to do, I don't really care what you do.
45:29
Now, if you doing something inappropriate, if you doing
45:31
something either age wise that's illegal or you're doing
45:35
something that is making other people, I don't want to say
45:38
uncomfortable because I'm be honest, I feel like people get
45:40
uncomfortable about all sorts of ridiculous shenanigans.
45:44
If you're doing something that's physically harming someone or,
45:48
you know, if you're saying something that is truly
45:50
derogatory, that's a problem. Because I mean, it's it's 2025.
45:54
Let people be who they want to be again, as long as they're, as
45:58
long as they're respectful, as long as they're living their
46:00
life. It ain't bothering you.
46:02
It ain't. Bothering you, then don't don't
46:04
worry about it. Let them let them be them.
46:06
Let them live their lives and whatnot.
46:08
So I mean if those. Orange painted nails are holding
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up the Lombardi Trophy in the next three years.
46:13
Tone, do you think? They're gonna be singing the
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praises. I bet those fave people paint
46:17
their nails too. That's what I'm saying.
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I'll tell you this, if we win a Super Bowl with Caleb Williams,
46:21
I will go to the parade with orange and blue painted
46:24
fingernails, bro, I don't care. Like that's fun, bro.
46:27
Like that's, that's a part of like who he is.
46:29
And I think it's super cool, man.
46:31
And like, I don't know, man. I just think it's weird when a
46:33
grown man cares what another grown man's wearing or doing.
46:35
Like you said, man, Hey, when he snaps the ball, as long as those
46:39
fingers can still grip that ball and sling that perfect spiral, I
46:43
don't care, brother. I don't care.
46:45
Like, you know, if if it hits the fingernail and then the ball
46:49
like fumbles like and OK, then we can have a whole conversation
46:53
a different day. But.
46:55
Where we have a little Brady, you know, deflating from the
46:57
nails or whatnot. Oh, I wouldn't.
46:59
I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind.
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But but we'll we'll end the we'll end the show on that.
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But I appreciate you coming all with me buddy and talking about
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this. We'll we'll be back next week
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for hopefully a little bit more. Maybe there's a little bit more
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offseason drama. We'll find out.
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But everybody have a good night. Everybody have a good week and
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we will see you all next time. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you
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for tuning in to military.