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North Carolina Bigfoot & Uwharrie Dogman with Dwight Campbell · The Cryptid Huntress

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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, good evening, everybody. It's the Cryptid Huntress.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jessica Jones. Welcome into this holiday weekend. We have
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  Speaker 1: a fantastic show for you guys tonight. We have Dwight
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  Speaker 1: Campbell in the studio this evening, and you guys are
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  Speaker 1: in for a big old treat tonight. Dwight is a
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  Speaker 1: longtime Bigfoot field researcher out of North Carolina. He runs
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  Speaker 1: with those crazy guys over at North Carolina Investigates, and
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  Speaker 1: that's how I ran into him at some of our
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  Speaker 1: events that we do. out there, talking about Bigfoot and
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  Speaker 1: Dogman and stuff. And I was super impressed with Dwight.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're going to hear from him tonight. He's
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  Speaker 1: been over doing some research in the Appalachians, y'all. And
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  Speaker 1: not only has he experienced plenty of Bigfoot out there,
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  Speaker 1: but also Dogman as well. And we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into that tonight. And I don't know, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a fun time, y'all. And I hope you guys
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  Speaker 1: are all having a fantastic, wonderful, incredible weekend. And thank
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's get into our show tonight. And, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you guys are out and about this weekend, I
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  Speaker 1: know I got a lot of friends out there that are, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say big footing and stuff. They're out camping.
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  Speaker 1: Bless your hearts, y'all. It's only like a hundred degrees tonight.
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  Speaker 1: And it's what, 10 o'clock on the East coast. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I literally have a heat advisory on my laptop right now.
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  Speaker 1: It says heat advisory outside. It is so daggum hot y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, please be safe out there. Stay hydrated y'all. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Take care of yourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So tonight we are going on the hunt
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  Speaker 1: with longtime Bigfoot field researcher, Dwight Campbell. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: be discussing his Bigfoot and cryptid encounters in the Appalachian
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  Speaker 1: mountains of North Carolina. Dwight is a boots on the
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  Speaker 1: ground researcher, an outdoorsman who was fascinated by Bigfoot since
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  Speaker 1: a young age. And he eventually decided to start his
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  Speaker 1: own research. And of course, He's had some of the
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  Speaker 1: most incredible and intense Bigfoot encounters in the deep woods
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  Speaker 1: of Appalachia, especially around one of his research areas. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to ask him tonight about the field. OK, my
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  Speaker 1: team goes out to the meadow. He's got the field.
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  Speaker 1: All right. But but Dwight is a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Dirty South Squatch and Research Team. I think now they're
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  Speaker 1: called Sasquatch Recon. OK, but he's also goes. out and
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  Speaker 1: researches with north carolina investigates i see some of y'all
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  Speaker 1: in the chat tonight what's up fellas and uh and
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  Speaker 1: also he shares his experience at bigfoot festivals and other
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  Speaker 1: events across the south you can find dwight's adventures on
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  Speaker 1: sasquatch recon on youtube and also go to his uh
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  Speaker 1: youtube channel as well it is called dwight campbell okay
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  Speaker 1: and you guys please help me welcome to the show
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  Speaker 1: mr dwight campbell himself.
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  Speaker 2: Hey dwight hey how you doing I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. It's so great to see you again. I
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  Speaker 1: think the last time we saw each other, I think,
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it was in my side of
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  Speaker 1: the country, down here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was down in Georgia at a little get-together
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  Speaker 3: that they had over there.
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  Speaker 1: That was my event, actually. That was the West Georgia
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  Speaker 1: Bigfoot Town Hall, Dwight. I was so tickled to see
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  Speaker 1: you down there. Thank you so much for making that
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  Speaker 1: trek down there. You came the farthest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I drove over there with Tim Dills
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  Speaker 3: and Jerry Millwood.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's who we drove with.
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  Speaker 3: Then I ended up getting a hat, and I want
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  Speaker 3: to thank y'all for the hat because I had come
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  Speaker 3: the fatherest.
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  Speaker 1: You did.
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: You and Angel, I think Angel's usually in the chat.
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  Speaker 1: She came from the southwest United States, so she drove
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  Speaker 1: pretty far.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: But then you, so you came from this side of
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  Speaker 1: the state. So you definitely came, y'all both came the further.
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  Speaker 1: So you got the hat. And yeah, those hats were
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  Speaker 1: a compliment of Angie, Angie Williamson. She's out of, she's
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  Speaker 1: a Bigfoot researcher friend of mine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I made friends with her on Facebook after that.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nice hat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, real nice hat.
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  Speaker 1: It was. I need to, I need to probably get
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  Speaker 1: some of those hats and put them in my shop.
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  Speaker 1: I need to buy some of them. Her cousin, I think,
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  Speaker 1: makes those. But anyways, but thank you so much again
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  Speaker 1: for being there. Y'all are dedicated. You're dedicated. Those fellas
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  Speaker 1: are dedicated.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We'll go. We'll hike far out in the woods. We'll
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  Speaker 3: stay out there all night and run thermals. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're pretty, you know, on the high end of being dedicated.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people won't go in the
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  Speaker 3: snaky areas and stuff like that. I'll walk all through.
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  Speaker 3: snaky areas with sandals on, miles, miles back in the woods.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm excited to try to get evidence. And
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  Speaker 3: over the course of time, I mean, I probably made 400,
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  Speaker 3: 450 Bigfoot trips altogether. There's a low percentage of times
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  Speaker 3: where you get something really great, but it's just so
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  Speaker 3: exciting when you're just out there. But then when you
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  Speaker 3: actually get something great, I mean, that just makes it.
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  Speaker 3: even more, you know, I'm definitely dedicated to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are. You're dedicated to it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just know your, your heart's always been
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  Speaker 1: in it in the right place. And, uh, and I
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  Speaker 1: was so impressed when I met you at, uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I met you a couple of times cause you're at
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  Speaker 1: the Georgia Bigfoot conference too, up in North Georgia, but
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  Speaker 1: getting to sit down with you a little bit and talk,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you're, you know what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you're doing and you're doing, you're always
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  Speaker 1: doing experiments and, trying new things. You, you told me
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  Speaker 1: before the show, you're trying some experiments with something in
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  Speaker 1: your backyard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I'm out in my backyard now trying some experiments with
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  Speaker 3: my trail camera, trying to hide it in a really
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  Speaker 3: good way, but then seeing how it functions with like
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  Speaker 3: a little mask I'm putting on it to make it
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  Speaker 3: even more invisible, but seeing if it functions properly. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you always got to try some experiments and,
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  Speaker 3: It's always fun to do that. Sometimes some good results
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  Speaker 3: come out of experiments. I'll tell you one thing that
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  Speaker 3: was a good result is that my squatching buddy, Bob Trent,
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  Speaker 3: he had made a housing.
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  Speaker 2: For an audio recorder.
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  Speaker 3: Our audio recorders were run for two weeks out in
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  Speaker 3: the woods. We made battery packs for them. They would
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  Speaker 3: record everything 24-7 for two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Tim Dill's.
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  Speaker 3: He squashed with us enough times. He's doing it kind
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  Speaker 3: of like we're doing it. So he had that same
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  Speaker 3: type of audio recorder out in the woods. And Tim,
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  Speaker 3: have you ever heard the expression of it was a
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  Speaker 3: freight train going through the woods? Tim caught that freight
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  Speaker 3: train on audio. And they've messed with Tim's audio recorder
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  Speaker 3: because of that housing. They've never destroyed it. And he caught...
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  Speaker 3: that freight train going through the woods. And at the festival,
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  Speaker 3: we got up on stage and Jessica, there must've been
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  Speaker 3: 500 people out in the yard at the courtyard and
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  Speaker 3: Marion listening to us. He played that audio and Bob
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  Speaker 3: played some yells on there.
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  Speaker 2: And they were just so impressed with that.
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  Speaker 3: And that freight train going through the woods, we put
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  Speaker 3: the speaker up on it and they had a real
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  Speaker 3: nice speaker system, man. You could actually hear some grunting
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  Speaker 3: and all that, which I didn't hear when he shared
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  Speaker 3: it with the group. On my phone, I didn't hear that,
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  Speaker 3: but I heard it on that speaker. And that's just
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  Speaker 3: an example right there of experimenting. And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: that audio recorder is protected, you know, it just picks
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  Speaker 3: up everything. Nothing stops it from picking up whatever's going
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  Speaker 3: to be out there, whatever's going on. So that was
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  Speaker 3: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: That is really cool. Man, I'd love to hear that.
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  Speaker 1: And wait, was that the most recent event that y'all did?
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  Speaker 1: Is that the one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was actually last weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I got a picture of that.
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  Speaker 2: I got a picture. that was a stage we're on
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  Speaker 2: in those mics. And they had really big speakers.
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  Speaker 3: We put the phone up, played the audio recorder into
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  Speaker 3: the mic.
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  Speaker 2: From the phone.
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  Speaker 3: And that guy on the side, he sung the whole
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  Speaker 3: time that Bigfoot people wasn't on there.
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  Speaker 2: He sung country songs. This dude was like a pro.
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  Speaker 3: And he was adjusting the levels of the audio so
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  Speaker 3: you could hear it better.
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  Speaker 2: It was just cool. It was really cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah. I was, I was impressed. It's always
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  Speaker 1: impressive to hear y'all talk and stuff, you know, cause
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  Speaker 1: I do, I've done a lot of events with the
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  Speaker 1: other fellows over NCI and stuff. And y'all, y'all, y'all
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  Speaker 1: bring a lot of really great evidence out there because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not all of you guys are very like,
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  Speaker 1: especially you, you're not, you're not super public with like
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  Speaker 1: all the evidence and stuff. You do have a YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 1: And you take people on adventures with you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my YouTube channel, I've Easter egged evidence
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  Speaker 3: here and there, and it's always fun. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: make a big deal of it. It's always fun, though,
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  Speaker 3: when someone contacts you and says, hey, at 108, is
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  Speaker 3: that a Bigfoot staring out behind the tree? I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you caught that one. I'll just Easter egg it in there.
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  Speaker 3: But like I was telling you earlier when I was backstage,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people will take your evidence and, And that
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  Speaker 3: they'll use it for themselves and, you know, their channels
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  Speaker 3: are monetized or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have a problem with that, but.
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  Speaker 3: They'll just take it without permission and make a few
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  Speaker 3: bucks off of it. And sometimes even try to make
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  Speaker 3: it seem like that's their own evidence. So that's one
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  Speaker 3: reason why, you know, some of my evidence, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: going to show it to you in person. Some of
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  Speaker 3: it here and there that I will put on my channels.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We've run into that quite a bit. I know David's
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  Speaker 1: in the chat tonight. David Pardew. What's up? David, I've
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  Speaker 1: helped him put some copyright little markers and stuff on
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  Speaker 1: some of his pictures because it is important.
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  Speaker 2: They'll just do it. Like I told you, I had
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  Speaker 2: posted up in the South Mountains.
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  Speaker 3: I'd gotten some yells on a camcorder and my dogs
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  Speaker 3: are crying. This thing's yelling. And it is just amazing.
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  Speaker 3: And my dogs are going, both of them are just
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  Speaker 3: crying and whimpering and whining. And a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: that saw that, they saw it on, they saw it
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  Speaker 3: on Sasquatch central. That's who had got it and played it.
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  Speaker 3: And they never, you know, credited me.
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  Speaker 2: And so a lot of people were like, Hey, that's you.
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  Speaker 2: That was your, that was your capture. I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they said, yeah, we saw that on Sasquatch central,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't know it was me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's a, It's just, you know, it's like my friend
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  Speaker 1: Barton Nunley up in Kentucky. He drew an artist's rendering,
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  Speaker 1: like a drawing of a dogman at the LBL from
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  Speaker 1: an encounter. And that thing is used more often than
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  Speaker 1: any other picture, I think, just about for a drawing
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to dogmen. But he never gets credit
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  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 2: I know the one you're talking about. I do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He never gets credit, you know. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: does sometimes. I give him credit.
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  Speaker 2: He's a good dude.
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  Speaker 3: He's written a few books as well. He's a pretty
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  Speaker 3: fearless guy. You talk about someone that would get out
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  Speaker 3: in the woods and go through a creek and the
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  Speaker 3: bottom lands and snaky areas.
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  Speaker 2: He'll do that. He's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually had the opportunity to go to the LBL
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  Speaker 1: three different times with Barton recently. We've had some crazy
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  Speaker 1: encounters out there. Some really crazy encounters.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been to the LBL, Jessica, but I've heard
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot about it.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what?
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  Speaker 3: I just got me a new truck, so I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to be driving up there and doing some squatching up there, too.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, well, guess what? I'm going pretty soon if you
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  Speaker 1: want to go meet us up there. We've got some
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  Speaker 1: trips planned. I'll tell you after the show, okay? I
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  Speaker 1: never give away when I'm going. I just tell people
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  Speaker 1: when I get back. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I usually do.
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  Speaker 3: I wait till I get back and post some information
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  Speaker 3: about the trip.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll talk later, okay, about that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, it's really wild because, you know, not everything
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  Speaker 1: out there, and I know you might be kind of
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  Speaker 1: on the fence with, like, the woo factor and all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Because I know there's always been, like,
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  Speaker 1: the flesh and blood camp, and then there's, like, the
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  Speaker 1: woo side of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of both, personally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've always been on the flesh and blood side,
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  Speaker 3: and I still am. But, you know, Jessica, I've had
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  Speaker 3: some weird things happen. It's kind of hard to explain.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm open to the possibilities. In fact, we talk about,
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  Speaker 3: I got a picture of a dog man. I didn't
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  Speaker 3: believe in the dog man until now. I thought that
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  Speaker 3: was a bunch of BS that someone watched too many
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  Speaker 3: werewolf movies and got scared about it and got jumpy
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: But yet I got documentation. I got a picture of
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  Speaker 2: one out in your worry.
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  Speaker 3: And ever since then, I mean, I've been even more, uh, towards,
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  Speaker 3: you know, accepting what people say, uh, And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it has to happen to me. So the dog man
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  Speaker 3: happened to me. So now I believe in it. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I've never been zapped. But I'm not against people that
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  Speaker 3: say that they can zap you.
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  Speaker 2: That's never happened to me.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, I keep that in mind and I'll
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  Speaker 3: take whatever information I can from that.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm a flesh and blood guy.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think there are some strange things that
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  Speaker 3: you can't explain that's.
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  Speaker 2: Outside that realm.
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  Speaker 3: But that's something you can document too, and that's something
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  Speaker 3: we can find out more about. We call it paranormal,
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  Speaker 3: but if we can experience it physically with our senses,
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  Speaker 3: then there's got to be an explanation for it, something
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  Speaker 3: that's real and tangible to go wrong with it, not
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  Speaker 3: just something that you can't record or document at all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all about recording and documenting. you know, I'll try
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  Speaker 3: to modify all my equipment. So it'll run all night
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  Speaker 3: long or in the case of audio recorders for days
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  Speaker 3: on end. Uh, so we can document what's out there.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm a flesh and blood guy, but I'm definitely
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  Speaker 3: open to the possibility of strange things because I've experienced
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  Speaker 3: the strange things and, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have too. I've experienced some real strange stuff. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: And I've gotten to almost like an existential crisis lately,
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  Speaker 1: especially after that last, one of the last LBL trips
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  Speaker 1: I took, you know, getting surrounded by things that are invisible,
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  Speaker 1: can't see. And they're throwing rocks at us and shaking
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  Speaker 1: our vehicles. And we're just standing there getting ambushed for
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  Speaker 1: a good hour, hour and a half. And they're right
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  Speaker 1: like 10 feet in front of us. We can't see it.
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  Speaker 1: They're not showing up on the night visions or nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just whatever it is, it's there. And we just
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  Speaker 1: can't see it. And we're at their mercy at this point.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So embrace the suck is
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  Speaker 1: what we did. It was fun though. Looking back at it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm super thankful that happened. I thought it was great,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, well, what was it though? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it sounded like, it sounded like people, but you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see them. And then it sounded like they were the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: size of Bigfoot. So I think they were acting like Bigfoots.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So it was just, it's
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: just weird.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Weird stuff.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I definitely got to get out there and experience some
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: No doubt about that.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Have you ever, well, I want to hear about this
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: dog man.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't go past the dog man yet.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Cause we got to hear about the dog man. I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: have been on a quest to go dog man investigating
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for the past two years. Now I've done a lot
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of investigations. I've hiked miles into forests, slept in a
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: hammock in the middle of dog man country. And, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we've had some really intense encounters. Okay. But, and I,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and I've seen one leave in Alabama last year.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe two. But tell me about your encounter. Now, you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: said it was youari. Now, youari is known for their bigfoots,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: not their dogmen out there. But tell me what happened.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: So we had done a lot of squatching in the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: area where Mike Green got the thermal footage, the squeaky
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: thermal footage where he put the candy bar on the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: stump and it came up and took it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That was actually.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: I think the second episode in the first season of
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Finding Bigfoot, that was the Uari episode, and they showed
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Mike Green's footage. So in our little area, that became
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: like a shrine. There's the stump.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: There's the stump.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: The stump's practically gone now all these years later, but
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: we'd always go and be like, that's the stump right there,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and we would always fight to get to that camping spot,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: which I'll tell you because everybody knows it's– camping spot
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: number 10 at West Morris campground. Everybody wanted to get
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: number 10, number 10, number 10, number 10.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So we went squatching out there a whole lot. And me,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you know, when.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: We were setting up and we got everything the way
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: we wanted it, I would just go off in the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: woods by myself and do a lot of long distance hiking.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: And so I ended up finding an area along a
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Creek way, way back behind West Morris and, I would
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: say maybe two, two and a half miles behind the campground,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: there's a little area along the creek that's nothing but ferns.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And it looks like the land that time forgot, you know,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: the way the creek is and everything. It looks real
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: prehistoric and the ferns grow up really high.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: And so things started happening to me in that area.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And I actually got like three or four photographs of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: them going from tree to tree and it'd be like
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: kind of like if you've ever had a rat in
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: your house and you're sitting there watching tv and something
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: blurry and it goes on your corner of your eye
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and you're sitting you're like oh shit there's a rat
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: in the house we like to.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Call them mice we don't want them to think they're
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: rats they're mice.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Okay yeah okay it's the same to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Me but I'm in the forest and I'm walking along
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: that creek And about three or four times, something goes
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: from tree to tree. And I end up getting some,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you know, a couple of photographs going there about, I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: don't know, maybe 20, 25 times.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I got a couple of pics.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: And so I shared them with the group and they
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: were blown away by it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And some of them were kind of mad. They're like,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: we've been doing this for, and this was in 2015.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: They're like, we've been doing this for blankety blank years
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: and we ain't got nothing like that. Now you come along,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you just started and you're getting stuff like that. And
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: they're like, we want to go there. So they had
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: never been there. And this is off trail, just a
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: place that I found. So I took them, and we
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: call it the Fern Forest. So I took them out
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: to the Fern Forest. So it was me, my main
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: squatching buddy, Bob Trent, and a couple of other guys
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: that was squatching in Uwari that we met out there.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And so we went out there. We set up camp.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: We're going to camp out there all night long. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: had never been out there all night long. I just
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: hiked during the day. And when it started to get dark,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I'd come back. And so we set everything up and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I went and walked around like I usually do after
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: we set up camp. And so it's just starting to
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: get dark. I'm coming back down the creek. And well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: let me preface this by saying when we came in,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: there was a big ball of Two trees were together,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and they were all balled up, and it was slowly crack, crack, crack, crack, crack.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: But it was balled up and looked like some kind
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: of nest. Eventually, it fell down, and I don't know
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: what that was all about. So coming back, it was
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: getting dark. I was coming back into the camp along
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the creek.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: So I looked.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Across the way, and up about, I would say about
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: 15 feet, to 18 feet up in the air, something's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: just like swirling around. It's like it's shaking. Everything involved
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: in it is shaking, and it's like a dark spot.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And so I raised my camera up, and all of
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: a sudden, something jumps down to the ground.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So I snap one picture.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: It gets to the ground, runs on all fours, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I try to catch it, and I didn't get anything.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: out of all that except for that one when it
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: came down. That's not the picture that came out. And
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: so basically what I saw was something running on four legs.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Well, when I.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Went and downloaded the pictures, this was with a Canon
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: point-and-shoot camera, when I looked at the pictures, it's showing
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: what looks like a dog man with his got legs,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And its knees are bended back and its arms are out.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: And that's when it's falling to the ground.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Now, whether it was up in the tree or whatever
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: it was, because it was shaking really crazy. Whenever that was,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it jumped down. And I caught it kind of like
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: in mid-flight going down. And when I got back to camp,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't say nothing to nobody. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't say nothing to nobody about it. I'm still
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: relatively calm. new this is uh 2015 i had started
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in april of 2015 i met bob trent online i'd
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: actually put an ad out about squatching and that's how
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: we hooked up we actually found out we live in
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the same city we live in mount holly north carolina
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: he lived like two miles from me and i just
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: put up a random ad on craigslist i don't know
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: if you remember craigslist but it was big back in
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the day and i think some people got in trouble
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: on craig's list and they ended up getting rid of
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: it or something but he hadn't answered that ad and
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: that's how we got together but i was new to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the whole thing so you know when i got there
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: i didn't say nothing to nobody i'm like well some
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: strange things might go on tonight we'll see what happens
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: so we ended up that same night putting out some
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: apples and about an hour and a half later all
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the apples were missing And two brothers that Bob knew,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I can't quite remember their names. One was Jason Bardu
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: and his brother. I can't remember his brother's first name,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: but it was the Bardu brothers. And they took me
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: around and said, hey, we put the apple here and here.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: And I saw them put it there and they were
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: all gone. So it got to be about one o'clock
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: in the morning and they all wanted to do some house. Now,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not really big on the on the finding Bigfoot methods,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: you know, the methods they use when they, when they
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: howl and stuff like that. I'm not real big on that,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: but they are, we were, there's a group all together,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a bunch of guys.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: They want to howl. So three of them howled.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And after the third guy howled, a tree fell down
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and we got that on the audio.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Recorder, the tree pop, pop, pop, fell down. Okay.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: So we're all looking in the direction of, of where
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: the tree fell down, and this is in the fern forest.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Nobody caps out here. There's no cap fires. It's legal
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to cap out there because it's a national forest, but
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: there's no fire rings. There's nothing up and down that
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: creek but a bunch of high ferns and snakes and frogs.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: There's no fish in that creek, but there are a
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: bunch of frogs in that creek and some snakes, and
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: so we're looking in the direction of where the tree fell,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and Well, we're looking in that direction. All of a sudden,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: on the other side behind us, maybe 10 seconds after
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the tree fell, there's like scraping on the tree, like
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: fingernails are scraping. Now, what does that? I mean, we're
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: all thinking. So we start looking in that direction. So
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: it's got us looking in every direction. We're like, well,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: what's going to be doing that? You know, the only
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: thing I can think of is if a deer had,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you know, big antlers, it might rub it on a tree.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That's the only thing. And I can think of it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It's going creak, creak, creak.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: And we're all looking at each other. Everybody kind of
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: bunches up, you know, together. So after that ends, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: it's quiet for about an hour. We kind of middle
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: out and look around, see where the tree fell and
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: look around and all that. Then we come back together.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It's about three in the morning. So everybody's tired and sleepy.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So they all go to sleep. One guy's sleeping in
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: a chair, and he carried with him.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: A sidearm and a shotgun. And every time we went out.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: With this dude, and we stopped going out with him
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: after a while, he always had a sidearm and a shotgun.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I don't carry anything but bear spray. That's all I carry.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: And I've got conceal and carry, but I don't carry
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: a firearm with me out in the woods. So this
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: guy's got a shotgun propped up on the tree, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: he's laying back.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: He's asleep.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I'm hearing something rustle across the creek. So his back,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the creek's behind him. And across the creek in the ferns,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I hear something rustling around. So my buddy Bob, he
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: had turned me on to a Bushnell Equinox. It's a
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: night vision camera that'll take photographs or it'll take video. Now,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: at that point in time, I had it on photograph.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I had never taken any videos with it. It takes
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: awesome videos. But I had it on photograph. And what
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I would do, it's got a big red eye beam
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: on it. It's night vision, so it's got the big
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: red eye.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: So I'll keep the camera pointed down.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: But if I hear something in the dark, I'll raise
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: it up and take a picture right quick and then
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: point it down where they can't see the red beam
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: as I'm walking around. So I had my camera on already.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: So behind this dude was some wrestling. I pointed it
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: up and I saw in the viewfinder a face. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I snapped the picture and a few other pictures. And
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: so I've got a crystal clear, and this looks like
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a monkey. So the first one, as it was getting dark,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: looks like a dog, man. And you can see it
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: in the picture. This one, and that's on a regular camera.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: This one on night vision, this has like the ape nose.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Its mouth is open. Its tongue is hanging out. You
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: can see its teeth. You can see one of its
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: eyes and the other eyes behind some foliage, and you
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: can see the top of its head. Now, that's one
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: picture I've gotten. everybody sees it right away. And a
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: couple of people, you know, they've told me, Hey, I've
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: been in it for 10 or 15 years.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I've been wanting to guess what I've been wanting to
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: get out there.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And it was, it was sneaking around behind this guy
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: with this shotgun, you know, asleep and it was sneaking
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: around him on the backside.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It was just so funny.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: And I took several other photographs while everybody was asleep
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and walking around. So one other one, kind of looks
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: like the back of one. I didn't see that one
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: at the time. The other two, I saw them and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I photographed them. That one I didn't see at the time,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: but looking at it, it looks like the back of
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: one jumping into the foliage or moving down.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Into the foliage.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: And so I ended up going to sleep about 4.30
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: or 5.00. I just got so tired, I sat in
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the chair and I fell asleep. So we all got
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: up when the sun rose and we all hiked out
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: of Uari back to West Morris and we were all
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: just talking about that it was just an exciting night
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: mainly they were talking about everybody howling and then the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: tree falling over and then the scraping I ended up
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: every time I look at that dog man pick and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: he's got a really big arm When it's falling down,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: you can see the arm. I call him the tree pusher. Now,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he actually pushed that tree or
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: not or if a Bigfoot did push that tree or
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: it just fell. Now, I have been in the woods
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: and had a tree almost hit me. Me and Doug Tigg,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: who Doug Tigg's little video was on The Proof Is
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Out There. He's a guy in Hickory that said, it's moving,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: it's moving, it's moving, it's moving. And he had his
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: little dog, Daisy, out with him. That was a real
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: viral video. And he ended up on the proof.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Is out there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: He was with me. And we both almost got hit
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: by a falling tree. So I can't say that it
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: did push it or it didn't. But that was after
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: three howls were made. I photographed what looked like a
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: dog man beforehand. And then when that tree fell on
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the opposite side, 10 seconds later, they were scraping. So
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: I'm inclined to say that it pushed the tree over,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: but that's something we can't prove.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: But that was a real crazy night.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And then one night I got two of the, if
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: you talked about the best 10 pieces of evidence that
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I got, I got two of those pieces of evidence
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: in that one night.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And that was in 2015. That was in, I believe, September.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Of 2015 at a place we call The Fern Forest,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: but that's not its official name. That's just what I
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: call it. And over the years, I've gotten a handful
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: of other pictures after that in the daytime. Well, they're
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, either following you around or
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: you come into their area and they're watching you.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So they're in that area.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, that place, we're talking about, this is
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: before Finding Bigfoot went out there, right? This is before
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the TV show was taken.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this will be after they had their episode and
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: after Mike Green got his thermal footage.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It would be after that.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I know a couple people that research that area,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and they've been researching it for decades. And they said
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that after that TV show came in there, kind of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: kind of ruined a lot of stuff.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. I had talked to.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: David Pardue briefly about that, and he had mentioned that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: He's been out there probably more than anybody, and I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: agree totally that when I first got out there in 2015,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: we had a lot.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Of stuff happening.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And I guess finding Bigfoot was out there in 2011,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: as the years went on, There's so many people out
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: there call blasting. It became a popular area for the
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: show that I think they peeled back a little bit
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: farther than just coming closer to that campground area. But
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I think once you get back in there pretty far, Jessica,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I think you can still document that activity.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: But it has slowed down.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: I think they're a little more cautious just because more
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: people have came in before.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that popular a spot.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Just guys like Mike Green and Pardue and Dave Mose
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: were going in there. But after finding Bigfoot, you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: a lot more people went there and it, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: it probably, they probably just peeled back, which makes sense that,
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: you know, they want to avoid human contact. So if
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: more people are out there, they're just going to go
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: back farther into the woods, but they're still out there.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: And it's still a work. It's still a worthwhile place
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to be. You ain't still ain't going to find too many,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: better places to go squatching but also the paranormal you
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: worries a weird place period some people have said that
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: that blackbeard went through you worry and hit something blackbeard
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the pirate there's a connection there in history of blackbeard
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the pirate in the.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: You worry so it says it's a strange place.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Blackbeard Look at the gold out there or something.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Some kind of treasure. Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I bought, I bought, um, uh, some books on, uh, uh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: hidden treasures and, and, and tales of hidden treasures with
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Indians and North Carolina. And they had a, a story
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: about Blackbeard being out in the new worries.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, um, I got another, I.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Wrote another, I read another book called the stranger worries
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: went by this dude.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: There was a newspaper guy.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: He told about all these strange, uh, people and characters
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: in the Uwari's and some ghost tales there there's a
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: lot of paranormal activity I would say if you look
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: at Uwari it's like Uwari and the LBL from what
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: and I again I have never been to the LBL
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: but from what I see of it it's almost like
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: they're they're brothers or brother and sister it's similar type
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: places and that's been happening in Uwari for a long
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: long time and and you know I was looking into
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the history of the LBL, like, like you worry, the
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: LBL kicked out some people out of that area to
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: make it a recreational area. Um, I've had people that
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: lived in you worry, tell me about the time that
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: they made it a national force and they kicked all
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: these people out off their land that hadn't deeded it
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: or ever paid any taxes, uh, They kicked them out,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: and they said when they kicked them out, they had
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: holes on their property that they were getting gold out of,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and the government just covered them holes up and took their.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Land and made it a national forest. That's crazy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: That's wild. You know what? I've been making a connection
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: like that, too, with these man-made lakes all over the country,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: especially down here in the South. Man-made lakes, they've been taken.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: They're used for almost an excuse to go take people's land.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and then cover up the real history behind those areas.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, close to Charlotte, Mount Holly's right outside Charlotte,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: we got Lake Norman. They had a story in the
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: newspaper that at the bottom of Lake Norman, there are
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: a couple of towns that are there with the houses
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and everything at the bottom.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: It's a man-made lake.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: That's how it is. Don't y'all have Normie up there?
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: There's some kind of lake monster.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at Lake Norman, there's... something called normie like nasty
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: normie and then there's also been i think two videos
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: of strange lights that people took over uh lake norman
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and there's actually there's actually um a dog man story
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: that was on who's that guy uh vick condenson it
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: was it was some lady told her story she was
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: at lake norman state park and she told her dog
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: man story on vick show.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So That's dog man encounters, y'all, in case you're curious.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Nick's my buddy.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Wow. Don Tartt's in the chat. What's up, Don Tartt?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Don's one of my other research buddies.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: You know, Don did something really great.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: When Tim Peeler had his encounter, Don Tartt.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Did the best investigation of anybody.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: If you watch Don Tartt's video with Tim Peeler, that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: is hands down the best investigation ever. Anybody down on Tim,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: and that's our area. I mean, we love going to
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: the South Mountains. We Googled where Tim Peeler's house was.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: And so Tim Peeler's house would be right here. And
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: behind it is the South Mountain State Park, which is
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the largest state park in North Carolina. And then on
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the other side of him is the game lands. I mean,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: it's just a big area. When he said that one
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: came down out of the mountains when he made them
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: coyote calls, You can believe it because there's nothing but
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: a vast wilderness. If you put the game lands and
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: the state park together, man, that is a big, big area. And, um,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you know, me and Bob are always like, man, Don Tartt,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: just his video with Tim Peeler was just awesome. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I think, uh, Bob actually met Don Tartt. I hadn't
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: ever met him, but Bob met him.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I know, I know Don a little bit. I'm just kidding.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I know Don forever. And, uh, we talked, we talked,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Our little group chat talks almost daily. But anyways, I've
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: known Don a long time. And by the way, for
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: people who aren't familiar with Tim Peeler, that's one of
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the best. He was actually on the news and Don
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was with him during that interview. He's the one that
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: said he had a Bigfoot on his property. He was like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it had long, beautiful hair.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It had six fingers on each hand.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And he said, I said, get it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: He got that stick because it was standing on the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: chain of his dog. He thought it may have been
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: trying to get his dog. So Tim got a big
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: stick and he said, I said, get out of here.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: And you know what? I got a dog.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Matter of fact, she's around here somewhere causing trouble. Listen,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: if a bear was on my dog, I'd jump on
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: that bear. I mean, it wouldn't matter. I love my dog.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: So I can feel for Tim on that end. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: think something, something, I think he had that encounter, but
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you know, the sad thing though, is we talk about,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: you know, keeping things.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Some people keep things private. Some people want to try
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to get famous.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: You know, the sad thing is Tim got ridiculed for
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: that so bad that he won't even talk to the
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: public anymore. He just won't talk to them or deal
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: to them because people may find out. him. And I
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: feel bad for him on that end. He's a really
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: good dude. In Don Tartt's interview, he was playing the banjo.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: He's a talented guy. He's a real talented guy.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, the news and the media
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: has always kind of portrayed us badly. big footers and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: people who are into this stuff or people who've had
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: experiences is a bunch of redneck hillbillies and stuff. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: that's okay. I, I, you know, I embrace that. I'm okay.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: That's why the festivals are so good because nobody makes
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: fun of you at the festivals and the festivals is
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: when you can kind of get some Intel from regular
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: people that have had experiences.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I picked up a few areas from.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: People at the festival, just coming up and talking to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: me and saying, Hey, I had something happen to me.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I ain't got nobody to talk to. So I came
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: to the vestibule to talk to you guys. And that's
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: always been a good thing, you know?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: A lot of people just want to get their stories
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: told and to be able to relate. We are a,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: we're kind of like a therapy group over here on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the Cryptid Hunters channel.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It's good to hear other people's stories and to connect
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: like that. And, well, you know, you mentioned your dog.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And I know you used to have two dogs, I believe.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got them when they were little. And I've
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: got a lot of videos with both of them together.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: The male dog was Gotti. The girl dog was an Offendi.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: The male dog, he ended up passing away. He wasn't
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: doing too good. And I really should have took him
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: to the vet. But they had both been bitten by
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: copperheads before and recovered from it. But his health wasn't
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the best of health. And they both jumped on a
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: copperhead actually over here in my backyard. I got a
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: lot of copperheads crawling through my backyard. He got bit.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: I took him to the vet. He got over it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: And right as he got over it, he got back
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: bad sick again. I took him to the vet. He
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: ended up staying there and they tried to do what
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: they could do for him, but he ended up passing away.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: So that was, that was when they were, six almost
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: seven years old and she's 13 now so she's actually
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: been longer without him than she was with him i
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: didn't know how good she would do as the only
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: dog but she's done really great and she's of course
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: she's my squanching dog and you know she knows a
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: little bit about bigfoot too.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah well you know a lot of people are and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: i'm so sorry about your losing your dog i just
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: lost my german shepherd this past year and uh and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it's they're they're like our children you know um but
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I was always hesitant to ever want to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: take my dog out in the woods when we go
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: big footing and stuff. My dog was not used to it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: My German Shepherd would go after anything. Yeah. Well, I'll
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: tell you what.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: As far as all that goes, Fendi loves the woods
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: and she will chase deers and she's got a real
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: good nose for that. You can tell when she's winning
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: something because she'll put her nose up in the air
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: and start trotting along.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Next thing you know, She's crashing through the woods and yipping.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: If she yips a high yip, she's chasing deer. But
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: you know the funny thing, anytime that a Bigfoot's been around,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: she comes back and stays right at your feet. Now,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I leave her off the leash most of the time,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: but she'll come back and stay at your feet the
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: whole time. And then when she goes crashing off into
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: the woods, you know what's going on. You know there
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: ain't one nearby. She'll chase anything. But she knows when
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: he's around. And, you know, I haven't really said that
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: to too many people. But three other people that I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: researched with, they picked that up. They picked up that
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: she'll do that. When one's around, she'll stay at your
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: feet when you're in the woods.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Really? She's a good trail dog.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: She'll crash through the woods and then come back in
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: some other direction that she went off in. She's got
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a great sense of direction. She'll sniff your feet. look
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: at you and make sure you're okay. And then she'll
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: head back up the trail and kind of leave the
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: way a little bit. But she's a great little trail boss.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: But when Bigfoot's around though, she's at your feet. If
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: she's at your feet, you better be paying attention. She
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: ain't going to go out there. If it's out there,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: she ain't going to be out in the brush. She's
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: going to be up on your feet.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh man. Well, that's a good indicator. And that's wonderful.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I have another dog now and his name is Buddy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And he's a little hunting dog. And he's like a
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: blue tick hound or something like that. I think he's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a mutt. I think he's a mutt.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what she is. She's half pit bull, half boxer.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: She's just a mutt.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: But she's got great instincts in the woods, though. She
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: was born for the woods.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Some dogs are. And I need to, I'll
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: figure it out. I just don't want to get him
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: out there and him run off and get hurt, you know.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: That's something I'm always worried about, too. Um, but you know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: she's got so many years.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Of experience, you know, I mean, she's used to it. Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: She's used to it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's used to it. Tim, Tim's funny. Tim said,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe it, but this is the most I've
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: ever heard him talk. And we squash all the time.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: You know, you know, the thing about it is I
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: went down to Tim's one time and it's like a
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: three and a half hour drive. I had worked like
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: 60 hours, and I went down there, and Tim was
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: going to show me a new area up in the
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: woods just from the standpoint that it had great views
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: and all.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: That, right?
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I fell asleep the whole time, and he was still
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: driving around and everything. I woke up, and he drove
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: past that spot and everything. But I'm pretty much a
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: quiet guy. I don't really say a whole lot. I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: like to observe and take notes.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I'm always being quiet.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: And trying to find out what does Tim know and
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: what does he don't know. I'm just that kind of guy,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: you know. Oh, my gosh.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: That's a sign of being wise, actually. There's a lot
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: of wisdom within you. That's what it is. And you're
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: learning Tim. You're just listening to him. I can appreciate that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: He's got his eye on you, Tim.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing about Tim is Tim's got
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of hunting experience. The things he knows about
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot is from him being out in the woods and hunting.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: And, you know, that was his family lifestyle.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: He grew up that way, uh, being out in the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: forest and hunting and all that. So I liked that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: perspective versus the guy like me. I never hunted. I'm
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: just a child of the seventies, the Bigfoot craze of
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: the seventies. And it got in my head and I
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: was just interested in my whole life. But Tim, everything
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: that he does with Bigfoot, it's all come from him
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: being a hunter.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: So that's an interesting perspective. It's always interesting.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I've learned a lot from Tim, not really just about Bigfoot,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: but just about being out in the woods from his
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: point of view as a hunter.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so how did you get into all this?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You said you were fascinated as a child in the 70s.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: There's all sorts of TV shows.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so people like Robert Morgan, Grover Krantz, John Green,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Roger Patterson. They kind of brought Bigfoot to our doorstep
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: in the 1970s. Renee DeHandon, although I never really knew
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: much about DeHandon, but I knew much about those other guys.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: I really liked Robert Morgan a whole lot as a squancher.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: And so I was watching one of those documentaries, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: you didn't have the internet back then, but they did
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a lot of TV specials. They did a lot of
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: documentaries about So there's one documentary where Grover Krantz was
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: on there and I must have been six, seven or
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: eight years old and I'm watching it. And Grover Krantz
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: is talking about the Balsberg cripple foot tracks where they
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: found a whole track way. And one of them, the
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: foot's deformed. And so, and the other one, the foot's normal.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: And so Grover Krantz says that if someone was going
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: to hoax it, they'd have to know a lot about
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: anatomy and, Because where the bones were sticking out in
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: the foot, those were where the bones needed to be
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: to support an 800 pound animal. It wasn't just a
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: blow up of a human foot because those bones would
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: have been in that different place. They were right where
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: they needed to be. So he didn't believe there was
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: any chance they could be hoaxed. And so as a
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: young person, six, seven, eight years old, when he said that,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: I took that in.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: That just got me hooked.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Just Grover Krantz talking about the cripple foot tracks totally
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: got me hooked on Bigfoot. And so, you know, if
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: there was a newspaper article on Bigfoot, I would cut
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: it out and put it in a scrapbook. And there
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: was a TV show on about Bigfoot. I'd watch it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: Unsolved Mysteries back in the 80s, they would do like
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: four segments. So they'd come on and be one segment.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Some woman was missing. Another segment, something paranormal happened. But
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: then when the Bigfoot segment would come on, Mama would
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: be in the front of the machine like, Dwight, Bigfoot.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: And so I would come out and just watch the
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot segment of Unsolved Mysteries and then go back into
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: my room when it was over.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So anything about Bigfoot, I absorbed. I took up. I
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: was crazy about Bigfoot.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: So, you know, my whole adult life and I did some,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: you know, hiking and camping and all that. And so, yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: when I was out in the woods, I was kind
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: of on the lookout, but I didn't have any equipment,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: any audio recorders, didn't know where any quote-unquote hot spots were,
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: didn't know where any sightings had been reported in this place,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: that place.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I would just go out camping.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: But right around 2014, I kind of got tired of
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: what the media put on you. The media basically would
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: tell you that Bigfoot is a West Coast thing, and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: he's on the West Coast. He's in British Columbia, and
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: he might be in the Himalayas. And so I just
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: kind of noticed, you know, the patterns. And I don't
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: know if the media intended it to be that way,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: but I definitely saw that the media.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Didn't really care if it was real or not.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: They just would produce the TV shows and all that
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: about Bigfoot.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And there was a certain agenda with it. So I
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: kind of got tired of that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: And that's when I wanted to go out and do
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: my own thing. So right around the end of 2014,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: start of 2015, I bought equipment. I hooked up with
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Bob Trent, like I said, and we started squatching and documenting.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: The whole thing is to be able to document and
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: we're not just going to go out in the woods
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: without equipment. Now, as part of what I do once
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: in a while, I will go out in the woods
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: with nothing and try not to have any metal or
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: any plastics on me and just go far out in
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: the woods and see what happens without anything.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: But that's just once in a while, just to see
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: But our goal is to modify our equipment to try
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: to be able to get evidence of these creatures for ourselves,
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: for our own knowledge to find out. I wanted to
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: find out my own truth. You know, now Jeff Meldrum
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: is a great guy. I'm not saying anything bad about Meldrum.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: But about that time, 2014, Meldrum gets on a show
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: called Capturing Bigfoot or the Capture of Bigfoot.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: And a lot of Bigfooters were mad about that show.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: And Meldrum was like, well, I didn't really know what
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: it was about, but I just went on it because,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: you know, it was on big time TV. And, you know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: he always lends his name or his expertise to all that.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: At that point in time, that's when I'm like, well,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: I want to find out the truth for myself because
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't like that show. There was another show or
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: two about Bigfoot that I really, I really didn't like
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: how it played. I mean, these guys aren't serious about it. Somebody's,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: you know, excuse my language. They're bull crapping somebody. So
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, let me find out my own evidence. I'm
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: pretty good in the woods. I think I know what
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: kind of equipment I need to get. Let me go
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: out there and document it and try to find out
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the truth for myself. And that's when I started my
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: own journey on that. So I've been in the Bigfoot
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: forever since the 70s. But I've been a searcher, a
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot searcher, trying to document it since 2015.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Well, what were they portraying?
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Meldrum, why did the Bigfoot researchers not like that? Because
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with that show, that Capturing Bigfoot.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out in 2014. It's called The Capture
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: of Bigfoot. And it's just the way that they played
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: it out. They kind of hyped it that they really
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: did capture a Bigfoot. But then they ended up saying,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: you know, this was all for entertainment purposes. And so
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: people ended up going into it, believing something very serious.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: And then it was just some hokey finoky, um, you know, situate, uh,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: you know, what if it did happen? And it was
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: just a goofball thing overall. And some people got mad. Well, well, Mel, Jamal,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: would you even lend your name to some BS like this?
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: So we got a lot of people mad at the time.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: You could probably Google it and, and, and get some
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of that. But, um, That's just one of the things
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: that just got me thinking, you know, the Bigfoot community,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: they're full of crap.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go out and find out the truth
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: for my own self.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: You know, so I'm not a huge fan of the
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot community, but I have nothing against nobody. I won't
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: talk trash about anybody. You know, I'm open to everything.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: You know, like I was telling you when I was backstage,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I've never been zapped. So I've got some.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I guess, some skepticism over that. But I realize that
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: people have had that experience. And it certainly seems to
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: me like they're being truthful.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: On that end.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll have that experience one day. You know, you
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: always got to be open minded. But I want to
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: find out the truth for myself and experience everything for
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: my own self, you know.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, don't listen. Sometimes you get what you ask for.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: And I always kind of wanted to get zapped, too.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I thought it would be kind of fun.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I had my experience. I got zapped this past
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: year for the first time. And I think I got
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: zapped twice in one night. And it wasn't like it
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't like an electrical zap. It was a nauseated zap.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And I didn't I would have never even put two
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and two together. I didn't know I was getting zapped
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: at all. But my buddy Harley was with us and
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Harley had gotten zapped right before I did. and um
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and heat it was just weird it was almost like
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and i don't i can't say it was a bigfoot
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: that did it i can't say it was dog it
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: could be some kind of weird energy weapon or something
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: you know what i mean it could have been anything
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: but but i gotta tell you you'd mentioned earlier that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a tree had been knocked down near you you almost
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: got hit with a tree well that happened to me
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: out in alabama that night oh really and yes what
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: what had happened was with my zaps uh was i
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: got overly emotional and like out of the blue, like
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I had walked off by myself in the field. We
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: were on an investigation. I walked over to the corner.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Something kept drawing me to the corner of this open
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: field that we were in. And, uh, and I went
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: over there by myself and my buddy Keith was with me. Well,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of people with us, but Keith
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: was with me and he saw that I, he thought
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that I was whispering his name, but I wasn't, he
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: was hearing me say his name, even though I wasn't
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: saying his name. And he walked over to check. I mean,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I was crying. And I was like, I had no
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: reason to cry, Dwight. It was weird. I was embarrassed.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: And then I started feeling nauseated. And I mean, let's
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: just say it ended up, I ended up feeling like
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I had food poisoning or something. Harley, Harley was not feeling,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Harley was emotional and mad and I was emotional and
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: crying and it was just weird. And it kept, it
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: came in waves. Like we were getting hit with something.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: And then I think we were too close to a
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot baby or something. I think that's what it was. Um,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: But when we went back, we hiked back down to
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: base camp and I got hit with it again. I
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: was like vomiting and all sorts of stuff. It was crazy.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And I got hit with it again. I got another
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: wave of it. And as I got hit with it
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: at the exact same moment, a tree got, a huge
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: tree got knocked over right beside our camp as I
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: got hit.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: That is too much to be coincidence. It was.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Well, the next morning, the people that were camping up
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the road from us, they found like a 24 plus
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: inch Bigfoot footprint by an abandoned campsite right beside us
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: where we were. So there were Bigfoots. I think one
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: of the ladies had seen something like a dog man
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: running out there that night after the tree fell. And
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: it was wild. It was wild.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: That sounds like a good place to go to.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Ah, no, you'll have to come with me sometime. I'll
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: take you there.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And, but, but yeah, we got, there's plenty of places
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that have great activity and, and it's not for the
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: faint of heart. It's not for, I wouldn't take people
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: out there who are not seasoned cryptid researchers. I don't think,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't think it's for everybody.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people might be interested in it,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: you know, but it's, but actually getting out there, and
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: doing searching, that's not for everybody. Some people's best off
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: staying a fan boy about Bigfoot because when you get
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: out there, there can be a lot of tough conditions.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: You know, just recently, I don't know if you remember
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the story, but somebody had passed away out there looking
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: for Bigfoot. So, I mean, it can be a dangerous
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: thing to do. I think they fell down into a
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: ravine or something. So it can be very dangerous. Of course,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: just being out in the woods, you know, can be dangerous. Hiking, camping,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: all that stuff's dangerous. It's not for everybody.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. You got to be tough and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you got to have your head kind of straight, too,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: because it can get really scary. I mean, to me,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: I tell everybody, don't have fear. Don't live in fear.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And I, you know, I've been putting some some of
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the craziest predicaments to where, like, it takes a lot
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: to scare me. at this point. But tell me how
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: far you've gone hiking and how deep you go in
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: the woods and how scary. I want to hear it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: I guess there's an area in the South Mountains where
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I go several miles off the Forest Service Road and
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: it's several miles in on the Forest Service Road and
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: all the way you can get back out to the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: main road is to go back through that way too.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: So it's several miles out driving and And then several
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: miles out in the woods, I start off on a
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: fire road, and then I cut off and follow a creek.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm pretty far out there.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: So I have a trail camera way out there, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I've caught evidence on that trail camera.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I had it out there for 10 years.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: And they did a prescribed burn, and they used a
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: creek as the fire line. And somebody took my camera,
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: and I was hoping they might put it back. Probably
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: because they didn't want it to get burned, I'm thinking.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: But it never got put back. That camera, Jessica, was
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: out on that creek so long that the strap was
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: full of moss. Moss was all over that strap. It
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: had just grown into it. I had that camera out
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: there 10 years. And so on one occasion when I
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: was going out there to change my cards out, when
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I hit the first part of the creek, and I
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: would say overall, if you count the miles from going
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: in on the road, on the one lane gravel road,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: and then going off trail, I mean, you're probably talking
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: about 11, 12 miles out in the South Mountains. And
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, and I didn't have my
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: dogs with me. I took my dogs and let them
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: stay with my dad that day. And because they would
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: both pull on me so much and coyotes that actually
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: run up on them and tried to get them to
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: chase the coyotes. So, you know, the pack could get
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: them once they would chase it. So I'm like, man,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like logging around the dogs today. So
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: I was already a little tired, but I wanted to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: change out my cards. So I was out there by myself.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Once I hit the creek, I got that feeling of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: being watched. And that was my first time ever where
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I felt like I was being watched. I must be
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: wired a different way because a lot of things like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: that that happen to just regular people don't happen to me.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But I really felt that way. And I got creeped
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I got a good little bit creeped about it. So
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: when I'm walking up and I go up to my
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: trail camera, my trail camera's taking pictures of me.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: And I know that it does because every time I change.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: It out, I get a bunch of pictures of me
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: and the dogs.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I've kept those pictures.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I love reminiscing and going through them
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: pictures from time to time.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: But it caught a bunch of pictures of me.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Walking up so i changed out my cards and i
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: kept looking around looking behind and i never did see
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: anything but i just felt it so so i circled
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: around i felt it all the way to till i
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: got up to the area i call the patio which
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: is flat and then i'm going downhill and hit the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: road that's the once you made it to that part
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: you're on easy street and it went away once i
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: got to the patio When I went back and looked
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: at my trail cam cards and it caught me coming up,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: I see a big head looking out behind the tree.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: As I walk up, it takes several pictures. The last
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: two pictures, the head's not there. Now, that really creeped
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: me out. The minute I seen that the head wasn't there,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I got that same creepy feeling as when I was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: out there again. And, you know, that was the last
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: time I made that hike. I call that the creek.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: You know, we got the field. I call that the creek.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: And all my buddies call it the creek. Bob calls
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: it the creek. And I've got actually a picture of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: a Bigfoot eye on a trail camera where it peeked around.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: And it's got four lenses. Now, I've got a squirrel eye.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I got a bear eye. And we can compare all
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: them pictures that we have. Bob, he went out and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: got a picture of an ape's eye and he put
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: it over into that trail cam pic.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: He overlaid it and it fit in perfectly.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: But that eye had two more lenses than the ape eye,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: although it fit in there. But you can see the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: lines of where the lenses are on the eye. So
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: that's not a possum eye, a squirrel eye, a bear eye.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I got all them eyes off that same trail cam
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to compare it to. And so we got a little
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: portfolio that compares all them eyes on there and does
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: the overlay of the ape's.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Eye on top of that eye.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: But I never went out there again by myself to
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: the creek. And so far out there, I always took
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: the dogs from that point over.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: That actually is the only.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Time I got creeped out because, you know, my friends
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: are always saying, oh, Dwight Campbell, he's not scared of nothing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: He sleeps on the.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Ground and I do, I'll, I'll, I'll lay down on
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: the ground and just go to sleep. I've done that
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: many times, but I, I'm cautious, but that, that, that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: was one time when, I mean, honestly, I was scared.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I got that feeling and now, you know, I knew
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: something was watching me, you know, I don't believe in necessarily.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say I don't believe in this
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: and that I'm open to anything, but I'm not a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: big mind speak guy either. but I felt, I felt
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: that I felt something was watching. Nothing spoke to me,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: but I felt it. And from that standpoint, maybe I
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: felt that because there was a real danger.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's something that we, all of us have as
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: human beings. If you know, there's a serious danger to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: us and we're alone in an isolated place, I think
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: maybe all of us would be alerted to that. I
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: don't know, but that's the, that's, One of the few times,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: there was another time in Uari where I felt like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: I was being followed. I had my dog that was
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: just Fendi at that time, and she was right at
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: my feet. And I ended up figuring it out after
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: a while what that feeling was, and that one of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: them was out there watching me too.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It can get creepy out there when you're surrounded. You
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: know you're surrounded. You know things are watching you. And, uh,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: and David Pardue, he says six cents. Yeah. It's your
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: six cents. You're just picking up on it. And we
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: all naturally have that fight or flight.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: And it's like, I tell people have no fear, right?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Don't live in fear, but fear will save your life.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: It's good to have a little bit of, you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: just be aware of what's out there. And if you've
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: got a bad feeling, you know.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: It's better to get out.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: You need to have good situational awareness when you're out
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: in the woods. Of course, In the end, if they
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: want to get you, they're going to get you. I
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: don't think that's what any of them really want to do.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: There may be times when you might unbeknowingly walk in
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: on them when they're doing something and disturb them. Or
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: like you say, there might be a little one close by.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I think they keep all their little ones in the
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: family groups.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I think they stay underground.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: There's some location where they're at underground and they're real
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: cautious about and going out. Um, they may travel in threes. You,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: you may see one or feel the presence of one.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: There's probably one or two around watching them. Um, but
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: certainly always, always have your situational awareness, uh, but always
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: stay calm and cool. Don't get panicked. Cause that'll make
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: any situation worse in the end. They're not out there
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: to get anybody. Cause here's, here's my thing. And people
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: laugh at me and even some researchers laugh at me,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: but my whole thing is, Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Dogman, and whatever
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: kind of other cryptid might be out there. We got
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Lizardman not far from where I'm at as well. And
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: it really freaks me out when they casted the Lizardman
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: tracks that time.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: That was just crazy.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: They got them on display at the museum.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: But all of them are smart enough to know that
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: if they snatch a human being, then a million human
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: beings are going to come in that area and looking
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: for who's missing.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: They know that.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: So they're not apt to do anything crazy unless a
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: crazy situation escalates. So if you keep your calm and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: keep your cool, I don't think they're out to get anybody.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? I hope that's the case. I
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: hope that's the case. Before we go further, I want
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to thank LycanClaw for that super sticker. Thank you, LycanClaw,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: for your support. I appreciate you. Okay. Well, you know,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: we do have a lot of missing people. in their
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: national parks. And, and I wanted to ask you something
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: else about, or talk to you a little bit about
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: the groups of three, two. So don't let me forget that.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: But we do have these like missing persons cases and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: there's like clusters of them. They're all in our national
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: park system. That fella that did the missing 411 series.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Y'all know who I'm talking about. He, he did the,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: he did. There's other people too, that have done all
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: this research on these strange cases, mysterious cases of people
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: going missing. And some people have asked me, like, do
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: you think it could have been Bigfoot or Dogman or something? Honestly,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. You know, I
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: think that there's something else going on out there. And
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's humans. I think there's something else. Or,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it could be even ETs or portals or
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: When Dennis Martin got missing, and that's one of the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: more famous missing persons cases, Dennis Martin's father always felt
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: like somebody kidnapped him. He always felt like a person missing.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: kidnapped Dennis Martin and of course when the books came
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: out you know a lot David Pilati's books and a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: lot of people jumped on that bandwagon that Bigfoot got
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: him but you know his daddy always thought that a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: predator and if you think about it if you are
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: apt to be a predator they just place to kidnap
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: somebody and get away with it would be in a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: large forested area That would be your best opportunity to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: snatch somebody up and get away with it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Especially kids, you know, because it's easy for somebody to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: get out of your line of sight, like a kid, especially.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I got a kid. He's 12 now and he's my
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: size or he's bigger than me now at 12 years old,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: by the way. But he's, you know, it's easy for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: a kid to like run ahead of you and you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: lose sight for a second or them lag behind. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's when they get gone.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: And it's easy to lose track of time.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, you might end up saying, well, they were
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: only out of my sight for five minutes, but I mean,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: it's hard to keep going when you're out there, you're
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: on vacation, you're in the back country. It's hard to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: say if someone was out of your sight five minutes
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: or it might've been 15 minutes, you know, you're not
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: really thinking about all that. And it's just, it's an
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: easy place to lose track. Somebody, even a father and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: his son. I mean, it's easy to lose track on that.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Well, OK, so I wanted to go back to that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: whole like groups of threes. You said maybe they hang
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: out in threes or whatever. When I was at URE recently,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: past few months, I was out there with David and Don,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and Ed and my buddy Keith.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: And we were at an undisclosed location. And there's a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: lot of different campsites. There's a lot of places to camp.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: Uari is huge, by the way.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: And I've been to a lot of parks and national
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: forests and stuff. And Uari has a different energy about it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: It's different out there. And it is kind of like
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: the LBL was a little more daunting to me for
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: some reason. Maybe it's because of the lore behind it
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and those intense encounters we had out there when I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: was there. But Uari is very special, too, and David
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: took us to some locations that are way, way off
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: the beaten path, okay, and we had this one evening
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: that we were out there. We had hiked to this
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: one location out on top of a mountain. We'd hiked
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: all day. I mean, it was a long time. Maybe
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: not all day. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit. It
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: was a long hike, though, okay, and we got to
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: this location, and we decided we were going to, like,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: build a fire, have, like, a kind of, like, a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: satellite location where we'd it looked as though we were
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: going to go camp there for the night, but we didn't.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: It was just to like build a fire and kind
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: of like have some fun and, you know, and get
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the attention of the Bigfoots to come and see if
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: they'd check us out up there, you know, like walk
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: through their territory and then they'd follow us. Right.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Well, it worked. Okay.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: David knows what he's doing, by the way, he knows. And,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: and so we're sitting out there just having fun. We're
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: watching the stars start to show up in the sky
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And, Just just having a good time catching
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: up and talking. All of a sudden we see these
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: blinking lights down the way from us. And we realize
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: those are those are eyeballs.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: And there were I remember seeing three. OK, there are
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: probably more, but there were three that were prominent out there.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And they were they had like the self-illuminated eye glow,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: which is one of them was like there were all
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: different colors, too. It was like red, green and white
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: or something. What do you think about that? Have you
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: experienced that? What do you think about the self-illuminated eye glow?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when we were sitting in the field,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: and the field is in the South Mountains, every time
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: we go out to the field, what we'll do is
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: we'll sit in the field facing the tree line, and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: there's a small little mountain behind it. And then there's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: like three or four mountain ridges that we've actually went
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: way back in there and hiked them mountain ridges.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: And at the.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Field, um, the forest service, uh, at that point in time,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: they didn't do it this year. They'll plant, uh, corn, um,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: for the hunters. So a corn will be out in
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: that field and hunting season hunters, uh, put their stands
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: up around and, you know, they'll get them some.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Deer and stuff.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: And so we're set where every time we go to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: the field, we, we sent out there all night long
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: and run our thermals and everything. So, um, we're out
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: there one night and, um, Um, there's been a couple
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: of different times where we'd put like lithium batteries in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: our camera and it would go dead quick. And, um,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: he had, Bob had a pack of lithiums for his
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: camera that he had bought at a Walmart. I had
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: a pack of lithiums that I had gotten at Best Buy.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: And both of our Equinox cameras both went dead. And
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: we put replacement batteries in. I bought an eight pack.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: They take four. And when we replaced them, 10, 20 minutes,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: then we went dead. Now lithium is going to run
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: a good six hours, seven hours in the equinox. I mean,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: you can get about seven hours out of it. And
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: so they went dead. And so my audio recorder stopped working.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: I think Bob's stayed working. Mine stopped working. Later on,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: when I would download what I did have, I heard
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of interference, which I never heard before. On
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: the audio recorder, it sounded like if a radio wasn't
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: tuning into the station.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: But this is an.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: Audio recorder that is picking that up. So the cameras
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: went dead quick. We're sitting there, and we're seeing a
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: lot of amber lights out.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Up high, up low.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: And then we're seeing yellow. We saw a set of red,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: a set of green, and a bunch of amber and yellow.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: And we're like, well, what the heck is that? You know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: is that some kind of fireflies or whatever? Bob had
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: an experience with a rare firefly at Uari. I don't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: know if they call them blue fireflies or exactly what
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: they call them, but he had seen them out there.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: And that's a real thing.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: They're really rare. And so we're seeing all these little
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: lights and everything's quiet. Nothing's really happening. So we're going
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: to pack up, you know, all our equipment's dead and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: all that.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: And Bob's like, Well, let me see.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: We're going to pack up and leave, but let me
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: play the Sierra sounds. And just for the heck of it.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: So he had a Hutton caller that had all these
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: preset calls on it, but you could stick a USB
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: in it and download anything on the audio. So he
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: played the Sierra sounds. So nothing happened. Five, ten minutes.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, let's go ahead and pack up. So
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: we start packing up.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, when we start packing up,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: We see eyeshine and we see figures come to the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: edge of the forest line and we see four of them.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: We see four figures standing there. And this is about
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: 45 minutes after he call blasted the Sierra sounds. And
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: when they came up through, we saw different color. We
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: saw that same color pattern when they were coming up.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: This time they got right to the edge. We could
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: see the outline. And so Bob started talking to them.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: And we've joked and called that the state of the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Sasquatch address. I didn't say nothing. I was just sitting there.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hell, I ain't got nothing to record this with.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: And that's the reason why I'm out here. I'm not
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: here to tell a story. Although many people tell these
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: wild stories and don't have any evidence, I want to record.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I ain't got nothing to record with. All my lithium
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: batteries are dead. At that point in time, I don't
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: think I had a thermal. Bob had a thermal. I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: didn't have a thermal. Bob's thermal was dead. And so
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Bob's sitting there talking to him, telling him, hey, you know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: we don't want to hurt you. We're not here to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: do any harm. We'd just like to get a better
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: look at you. And he's just sitting there speaking to him.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Bob could speak the better to everything he said. I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: was just in amazement because I'm clearly seeing four outlines.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: They don't look particularly... you know, 10 feet tall or
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: nothing like that. They look like they might be six
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: and a half, you know, like, like some of the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: tallest people that I've seen. And, but I see that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: the figures out there and every once in a while,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: there'll be a little glint. If they like turn their head,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: there'll be a little glint of catching the moonlight in there.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: But when they were back behind the tree line though,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was, I really think like when my dog,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: my dog would catch moonlight and it'll flash, uh, It's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: just because they could see in the dark so well.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: And maybe bioluminescence. Because we experienced that all night long.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: So anyway, Bob talked to them. And all of a sudden,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: they just all turned and went back into the woods.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: And me and.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Bob just looking at each other. And, you know, like
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I said, we call that the state of the Sasquatch address.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the weirdest things ever. that we've
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: had happen to us now, as far as, as, as
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: batteries getting drained.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, that's the real thing. And yeah, I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: don't know what to say about it.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have, I don't even have a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: theory because a theory would almost be that you would
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: have to have some type of device that you could
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: point and, you know, send out a beam and it
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: disabled it. It, it, takes the battery out, you know,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: almost like a UFO thing. When a UFO gets over
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: a car, it shuts off and so on and so forth.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like, uh, like the Batman series,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: the Batman had some electromagnetic gun that could take out,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: you know, electronics. So where are you going to say
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: a big Fitz got a blaster on him and he's,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: he's blasting your equipment.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's where the woo comes in, right? That's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: where the woo comes in. Okay. And we actually call
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: that on my first Bigfoot team, my old school Bigfoot team, ERG.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: We always call that the X factor. Okay. There's something,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: there's something more. They're not just, you know, to us,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: we were experiencing things like that a lot. And it's like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: it's not just, you know, humans are not just flesh
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: and bone. We have, we have extra sensory abilities as well,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and, advanced human capabilities, I guess. And so
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm like, I'm okay. with thinking like bigfoots
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: probably have that too because i think you know that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: it almost brings like the paranormal aspect into it and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: it's like you know ghosts they say that ghosts drain
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: your batteries stuff too right so they like they manifest
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: off of the energy of those batteries basically And it
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: could be the case that maybe not all these Bigfoots
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: are 100% flesh and bone as well. You know what
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean? But it's just theories. That's all we have
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: are theories.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But real quick, I want to thank Firewater by Design.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kathleen, for that super sticker. She said, I'm
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: stalking the chat again. I don't mind you stalking, okay?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here, and thank you
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: for your support tonight, okay? Um, but yeah, but, but
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: that does, that does give another level to like another
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: layer to like the Bigfoot out there. There's something more
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's not the Bigfoot. Maybe there's other stuff
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: in the environment. Have you ever thought about that?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: That's very much possible.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Um, there were two other times when I had my
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: recorder out at South mountains and there comes a point
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: where you hear that disturbance, you know, you hear that
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: something's disturbing and the recording like you would pick up
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: on a radio station, but you never pick it up
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: on an audio recorder. And, you know, it was in
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: that same area. It was just outside the field that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I was recording. And so that's really the only time
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: that disturbance has come up is at that field at
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: the South Mountain. So I don't know, maybe it's coming
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: from above in the sky. Something's interfering, zapping, or something
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, In Uari, the Army Corps of
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: Engineers used to run a lot of exercises through Uari. Now,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: some people have told me that they stopped doing that.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: But we were in Uari one time, and I got
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: a picture that I call the Uari Ghost Man, where
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: you see a human-looking figure looking like it's wearing a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: long coat. It's transparent, but its hand is black. The
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: rest of it, you can see the trees behind it.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: You can see right through it, but you see the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: human image. And we were wondering if the Army Corps
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: engineers weren't testing some type of technology or something. Like
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: it was in a long coat. Maybe it was in
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: a long cloak, cloaking device or something. Definitely not a
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: Bigfoot as far as what I could tell. And that's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: one of the strangest pieces of evidence that I got.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: That was behind West Morris Campground, like directly behind it,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: not up on the mountain. But there's some flat area
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: going back to Spencer Creek that was behind it in there.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: We think sometimes they may cross over. There's a little
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: bridge up the road and may get in there. And
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: that's right where I took a picture of that figure.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: OK, Dwight, I got to tell you something. That's so
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: crazy that you said that and you've seen that. Well, okay.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: First of all, I do have some research friends that, uh, like,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Bob Wilson.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, grumpy. Yeah. He passed away not too long ago.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Matter of fact, his wife was at that get together
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: that I was at.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I met you there.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I invited her.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Marianne was there and I invited Marianne to come to that.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: And I love, I love, I love, they're like family
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: to me. And, uh, and, uh, actually Bob just lived
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes from my house. And, uh, so I've, I've,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I've known him for a long time and, uh, well, Well,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Bob had told us about, I think, I want to
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: say he was at Uari, but I'm not, I'm not positive.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I think it was Uari though. He said that there
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: were military guys that came out of the woods. They
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: were dressed from head to toe and like full SWAT
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: team gear was like their automatic weapons and all that
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And they asked them, they're like, what
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: are y'all doing here? And they're like, we're doing the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: same thing y'all are doing. And Bob, they were clearly,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: they were doing encrypted field research.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: And, and, and I always thought that was an interesting story.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: That sounds very interesting.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does, right?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling they didn't stop doing exercises out there.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: I think they're still doing it. My buddy Bob, we
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: were at that same spot where I got that ghost
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: man pic. And the temperature was 22 degrees. It was
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: out in the winter. And we were almost regretting that
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: we went out there because it was so cold. So
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: we sat up there for about two and a half
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: hours before we went back to camp.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: And he had his thermal going.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: So there comes a point where the thermal's showing the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: black and white image. And on that particular thermal, it
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: would show hot red in certain situations if an animal
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: or whatever came out.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, all of a.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Sudden in the screen, it was like you see in
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: a movie where there's a nuclear explosion and there's a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: flash of light. There's a flash of light, and the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: whole thing gets red, and then it dims out. When
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: you slow it down, it's wicked to look at it
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: in slow motion. We call that the thermal blast. We
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: really think that some type of device, some type of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: man-made device, some type of technology sent a blast to
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: that area for some reason, and the thermal recorder picked
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: So I think there's exercises....
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: Being done that's just my opinion though because i ain't
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: wanting to oh make you make the army mad at
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: me but i think they're still doing exercises this.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: Is for entertainment purposes only let me tell you when
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: i told you that i had an existential crisis because
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: i was having issues wrapping my head around what what
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: was costing us for an hour and a half at
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: the lbl uh we were ambushed by something. And I,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I swear I have over and over again, the more
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I think about it, the more I've thought that this was,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: these were humans wearing cloaking technology. And I said that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: while it was happening, I told Matt, now Matt is a,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: a big old dude. He's like six foot five or six.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: He's like a, he's just a big dude. He's former
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: law enforcement official. Let's just say, and I trust him
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: with my life. I love this guy. Right. He's great.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: And I felt, I feel safe with him. He's safe
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: with me. I'm safe with him. We're sitting around the campfire.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: We're laughing. We're having a good time. It's two o'clock
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Everybody, Barton and his wife had gone
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: to sleep. Martin Groves was asleep in his truck. And
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: then we got ambushed by, and it was a group,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: a large group of something that ran down the Indian
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: burial mound on one side of us. And then the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: ridge hill behind us on the other side, right behind
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: where we were sitting. Some of them slid down the hill.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: You could hear it. There were scuff marks the next day. And, um,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: and it was, it was wild. And I was like, well,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: they're on two, they're all on two feet and they just,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: they just surrounded us and they would come down. Like
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: they just, it was, it was crazy. And I was like,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: this is either, okay, cause this would be ghost or
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: these like native American ghost. Okay. I was like, but
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: they're throwing rocks. I ran over to my truck to
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: go get something to protect myself with and get my
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: night vision. And, uh, and I got to my door,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: they threw a rock and it hit right in front
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: of my truck and landed in the lake. Right when
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I got into my truck, they were like interacting with
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: us out there. And, um, and, and every time I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: try to turn on my night vision camera, it wouldn't focus.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't focus wherever the noise was coming from. There
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: were 10, 15 feet in front of us and it
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: wouldn't focus. So like, whatever it was, was like, there
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: was no heat signature on it at all. There was nothing,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: there was nothing there yet. We could hear them and
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: we could like, they were throwing stuff and we could
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: hear them. We knew they were there. They were taunting
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: us basically. And I was like, you know what? This
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: has got to be like, I told Matt, like in
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: the middle of it, I was like, this, this may
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: be human.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You're talking about native American ghost.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I've always had a theory that not all
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: of the Cherokee went on the trail of tears. You know,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: some of them went up in the mountains and hid
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. And, you know, people
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: always talk about Indians and something called counting coo. where
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: they could get close to their enemy. Like one of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: the biggest things was getting close to your enemy and
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: touching him or stealing something from him and him not
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: knowing it. Now on my TikTok page, I've got one
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: video that's got 1.2 million views. And in that view,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: I was with Tim Dills changing out trail cams. And
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: I got in front of one of my trail cameras
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: and pulled out my SD cards and I felt something
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: touch my hand and I looked down and look back
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't nothing there, but it's like something touched
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: my hand. I changed out my card when I went
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: back to the house and uploaded it to the computer. There,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: there is something that, that looks like the predator hand right,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: right on my hand. And so I, uh, on Tik TOK,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I made a little video describing what counting coup is.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: And then in the next picture, uh, It's me standing
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: right in front of my truck. I mean, you can
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: see my hand and you can see that predator or
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: that translucent hand.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: And you can see it. It's just like this touching
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: my hand. And I got 1.2 million views.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: And that's just all people watching it and being amazed
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: by it. That's one of the most amazed pictures that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: I got when I go to festivals.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Everybody's always want me to get, I.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Get up 150 times and explain, that picture that's laying
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: on our table that piece of evidence and so i
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: wondered if that was something i don't know what and
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: you talk about the woo factor again yeah counting coup
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: on me so.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: That that happened to me i actually not to interrupt
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: you but i'm so excited about this because the first
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: time i ever went bigfooting i offered I volunteered to
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: be Bigfoot bait.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: And, uh, and I never stopped volunteering to be Bigfoot bait.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: But, uh, but I got out there and I was
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: walking up this like ridgeline, this hill and all these guys,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: there were five guys that were sitting at the bottom
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: of the hill watching me through their thermals, their flares,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: their night vision. And I got halfway up this hill
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: and somebody started running up behind me full speed. I
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: could hear him on two feet. Boom, boom, like, and, uh,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: And I thought, man, that is messed up. These dudes
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: right here. I was like, I don't even know them.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Like they're trying to scare me. That is so unprofessional.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: I just kept thinking about mine. That is so unprofessional.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: And not that anybody in the Bigfoot world is professional
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: when it comes to all this stuff, but I didn't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: know any better. And, and I got, and I braced
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: for impact because I knew one of those guys are
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: going to run up and say, boo, like grab me
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: or something. And I'm out there with no headlamp, no flashlight,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: no nothing. And I'm just walking by myself and, and,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: These footsteps got louder and I could feel, I mean,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I could feel everything. Like when they got up to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: me and I braced for kind of brace for impact,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: they hit, they like sweat my legs out from behind
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: me and ran left and kept running. I looked over
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: and there was nobody there. And I, and, and to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: this day, like, I mean, I, it's still this thing.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Like if that hadn't happened, I don't know. We had
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of other stuff that happened that weekend
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: that I was there, but, but I think I wouldn't
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: be here today talking to you. talking about Bigfoot this much,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: if that kind of stuff hadn't happened to me the
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: first time I went Bigfooting, because it was so wild,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: and I kept, I've always thought, like, I got initiated
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: that night into the Bigfoot world, and whatever that was
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: got initiated by touching me. That's what I think. That's cool. Yeah,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's what you're talking about, though. Like, I
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: didn't get hurt, but I got touched by something.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the cat counting coos kind of a thing,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm, You know, I think that's what happened to me.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: It got right up on me. I never saw it.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: It touched me. You can see it. I mean, it's
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: a clear picture. I mean, there's no there's no mistaking
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: that that's a hand right there. But it looks like
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: kind of like a predator hand or a smoke monster hand.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: Something like that. It's just it's just crazy. And everything
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: else in the picture is clear. My hand is clear.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Everything's clear. It's just that. that arm, that translucent predator
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: looking arm and that hand, the hands just like that.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: It just, it's just touching my hand. And I felt
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: that when it happened and when I developed the pig.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: There it is right there.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, that's document, that's documenting it, you know,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: but I still, I still can't say exactly what it
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: is though. But when that happens, you're headed in the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: right direction because the next things that happen, I'll be
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: another piece of the puzzle to it, you know?
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's, uh, right after that happened to
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: me though, when I got up to the tree line,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: one of my buddies had walked up to, to make
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: sure I was okay. Cause I saw that I was
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: kind of halfway into stress a little bit. Cause I,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I had like, I didn't get tripped up, but I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: kind of locked, I didn't lose my balance completely when
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I probably should have. I think I was meant to,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: you know, something was meant to like push me down,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: but I was very athletic back then and I didn't fall.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: But I thought that maybe I had tripped over a
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: log or something. I was scrambling like your rational brain
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: makes you think like there was something else. Like I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: fell in a hole or there was something that my
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: leg hit or something. But but anyways, I got up
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: to the tree. We ended up walking up that tree
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: line I was headed for. And and a Bigfoot peeked
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: its head up from around the tree right in front
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: of me. And the guy saw it down the bottom
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: of the hill, but I couldn't see it because it
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: was so dark. But there was there were Bigfoots out there.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: And so that did happen. And real quick, I want
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: to say thank you to SAS Saga for the super sticker.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: And you keep batteries in the EMF pouch. That's smart.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I just ordered two EMF pouches, not pouches, pouches, not patches.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: So thank you for the super sticker.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Dwight.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: You were mentioning you were being used as Bigfoot bait,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: you know, before she passed away, Robin Moonshadow. we used
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: to do about three expeditions together a year.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, it was always good.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: She, you know, having a female there and not, you know,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: use them as bait in any kind of way, like
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: tie them up on a tree or anything like that.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: But I think, I think that Bigfoot, they're attracted to
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: women and there's not a lot of women out there researching.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: And that was always cool to be out besides her
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: being who she is. It was good being out there
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: with the females. Because I think that's a little bonus
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: as far as attracting them.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I think so, too.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: We smell better. I'm just kidding.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: I think Bigfoot's a lot more interested in women than men.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: I think so, too. And children as well. Yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: And children, no doubt. Yeah.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've taken my son. My son has been Bigfoot.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I was Bigfoot before he was even born. you know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: born of course, uh, for many years before he was born. But, um,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: but he's, he's actually seen a Bigfoot himself and, uh,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: and he's Don and David as a matter of fact. Uh, but, uh,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: but yeah, he's, you know, I feel like there is,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a frequency thing. I always like to say,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I believe there's a, uh, something about our frequencies that
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: we're putting off, like our vibrational, like our energy, uh,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: You know, because, I mean, there are certain people, like,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go out in the field with
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: certain people thinking they're in a bad mood or, like,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: something is, like, their energy is just, like, real negative
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: or something. Like, I don't feel like that's a good
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: idea to be going out in the woods with people
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: like that. I know that sounds, I may sound kind
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: of stuck up or something.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I want to tell you something on
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: that end.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: There was a dude that me and Bob squatched with
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: many years ago. And we kind of didn't like that dude,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: but we squashed with him.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: And we would go.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: To places that that dude had never been to, and
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: stuff would happen. Every time we're out with that dude,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: stuff would happen. We took that dude to the.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Field, right?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: Bob got a thermal video of one standing there and
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: turning around.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: And walking away. And that dude was there. So every
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: time we were with that dude... Something.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Happened, and it made me think that the three of
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: us together, maybe that put out some kind of, maybe
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: the three of us together put out some kind of energy, frequency, whatever,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: and something happened. But we ended up just, we couldn't
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: stand that guy. And so we ended up cutting ties
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: with him because he wasn't always honest. I mean, he
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: lied about a lot of things. But when the three
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: of us were together, Jessica, stuff happened. And that's no lie.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: in places that this guy didn't know where we were
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: going or never been, as well as the places we frequented,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: things happen. And I just always thought, man, there had
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: to be some kind of frequency when you put the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: three of us individuals together, there was something between the
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: three of us that would attract them in. So I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: definitely believe what you're saying in that totally. I've experienced that.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's like, it's just, you know, like, The
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: ancient Egyptians used to have, they had a God was,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: is it Anubis or Maat? I can't remember, but they,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: they'll weigh your heart.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: And like, if your heart is, you know, light as
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: a feather, you get to go to the underworld or whatever.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like, I think it is a
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: thing like, where's your heart at? Where's your mind at?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: And where's your heart at? Because that's, those are the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: people that get the most activity I feel like. And
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: I like to say like, well, also if you're very
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: attuned to your psychic abilities, that helps. In my case,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: it does. But, you know, one of my teams, we
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: don't take any equipment. We don't take much equipment out
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: in the field. You know, maybe a night vision or
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: a thermal or something. But we're not out there taking
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: measurements to try to, like, prove things to people and stuff.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: We get more activity when we don't have a whole
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: lot of equipment, or we used to back in the day.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, have you noticed that, too? Like,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: the less equipment you take, the more activity you get, too?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: From time to time, I'll go out there without equipment.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: any equipment at all. And, you know, I've noticed, um,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: some things happen, but then some nights nothing happened, but
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: that's a part.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Of what I do. I don't do that a whole lot.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: But I'll try at least twice a year to go
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: out in some areas that are hotspots, um, without anything and,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: and see what happens to this point. Nothing crazy has
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: ever went down when I, when I didn't have anything, um,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: But it's been mostly mist, but once or twice, some
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: things happen. So it's something I'll keep doing. But I
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: haven't noticed a big difference, though, to be honest with you.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Well, how close are you to the Brown Mountain Lights?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced any kind of lights out in
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: the woods?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Me and Robin Moonshadow went out there to Wiseman's Overlook
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: off of Highway 105, and.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: You've got a good view of the mountain.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: And we saw some lights um in the mountain go
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: up and down and around i'm not sure if those
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: were the brown mountain lights i know that a professor
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: from i believe it was from appalachian state and i
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: had a camera and he caught evidence of the brown
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: mountain light so it's a real phenomenon it's something that
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: really happens But we sat out on Wiseman's Overlook. The
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: thing about that, though, Jessica, is we sat out there.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: There was a bunch of people out there. And then
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: they all left. And we stayed out until like 2.30
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: in the morning. And there was nobody out there when
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: we went back to the parking lot, went back to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: the truck. Now, this is at the Linville Gorge area.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: The gorge goes through there. And we heard talking. And
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: so we expected when we got to the parking lot,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: see a bunch of vehicles.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: There was no vehicles out there either. And we heard talking.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: And then I've only seen Robin get scared two times.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: And we smelled a strong sulfur odor smell. And she
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: got really scared. You know, she's First Nations. And she's
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: not scared of too many things. She's First Nations in Canada.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: And she wanted to get in the truck and get the...
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Get the heck up out of there. So, I mean,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: that sulfur smell is something I've smelled in different areas before.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: And I associate that with Bigfoot and the talking. It
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: was just like people talking, but you couldn't make out
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: what was being said.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: But there was nobody there.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: And then when we drove out, Jessica, there were still
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: no cars anywhere. And we drove back to our campsite,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: which is right down the road. There's actually free camping
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: off of that road. And a lot of people just
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: camp for free and then go to Wiseman's Overlook and
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: try to get a view of the Brown Mountain Lights.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: What I'd like to do is on my bucket list
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: is get on Brown Mountain and be hiking around Brown
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: Mountain from like 11 p.m. to three or four in
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: the morning, be moving around with cameras. I don't know
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: if anybody's ever done that. That's on my bucket list.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: But Brown Mountain is about 90 minutes from me. It's
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: not far from where I'm at at all. There's so
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: many books you can buy on Brown Mountain to talk
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: about the history of it. It's a real phenomenon, a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: real documented phenomenon.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Man, I think I know some people that
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: would be willing to go with you up there sometime,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: including myself.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Some of the guys, we've been joking around about going
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: to Brown Mountain for a minute. So I've never been.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: That's where I'd like to go and see those lights.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: That's something that we do encounter quite a bit out
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: in the field are these like orbs and strange lights
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: out there. Now, I have several different locations that I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: frequent with my research and stuff. And we just go
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: out and go camping and just have fun. And whatever happens,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: happens out there in the field with all the weird
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: high strangeness and the critters out there. But the place,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: one of the places I go, we call it the Meadow.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: One of the places you go, you used to call
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: it the field. Do you still go there?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, we go there all the time, especially in
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the fall. The fall is the best time of year
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: to be at the field. That's when the most activity
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: and the most things go down in the field is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: in the fall. We call the booger that's in the field,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: we call him the corn squatch. And Bob had gotten
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: a good video of one on the Equinox night vision.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: He got a video of one between the corn stalks
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: crouching down, and he took a still frame from that video,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: and it's just an awesome picture.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: It looks like a prehistoric man.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: And the video, it just crouches down behind the corn
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: and disappears.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Squatches of the corn, instead of children of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: the corn. Man, they do like to hang out in
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: the corn stalks and stuff, and I hear that a lot. Actually,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: my buddy, let's see, Mark Green, actually, he had, he's had,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: he's had a lot, he lives in Alabama, East Alabama.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: And he's had a lot of, he calls them boogers
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: on his property and stuff around there. And he's had
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: some dog man, a good bit of dog man activity, too,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: on his farm out there in East Alabama. And he, they,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: the first time he got some good pictures of them,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: they were actually in his cornfield.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: It's a great place to hide though, isn't it? I mean,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: that's a great place to hide.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my buddy Bob, he's been down with Mark Green.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I think maybe he went to his house and stayed
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: out there squatching one time. And I think Kumbo was
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: out there with Mark Green as well. And Bob and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: them met Kumbo. I couldn't make that trip. I'm like, well, dang,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I would have liked to have met Kumbo. But Tim
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: and Bob went down there and they said Mark Green
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: is just a great guy. I mean, they said Mark
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: Green's The Real Deal. He's just a great dude. I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: think they ate some rabbit while they were down there
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: and said that was good, too. I love to eat.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, I've never had rabbit either. So
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: I missed out on that trip. But they said Mark
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Green's a pretty cool guy.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: He's a great guy. Actually, if you want to meet everybody,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to meet Kumbo and Mark. I'm going to
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: be there. Greg House and Mark Newbill. And who else?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Greg Ogle is going to be there, too. But we're
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: all going to be speaking at the Bigfoot Town Hall
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: in Cornwallis on October the 3rd down in Alabama. If
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: you want to come down, hang out with us. Yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: you can come down. It'll be a long drive, though.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: But I mean, it might be.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I made two trips to Alabama. We went down
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: to Alabama to meet with Jonathan Odom on two different
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: occasions up near the Talladega National Forest area.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: And we did some squatching out there on two occasions.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I missed that trip to see Kumbo and
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: Mark Green.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm sure you'll get another chance, though. Hey, you
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: got a chance on October 3rd, too.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: That whole weekend.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: We're all going to be down there in Alabama together. Oh,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: and Flat Rock, too. I don't know if you hung
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: out with Flat Rock. I love me some Flat Rock.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think I've been to Flat Rock.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Flat Rock wood boogers. All right. So shout out to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: all those fellas. Man, they're the coolest. It's a blessing
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: getting to hang out with all these folks and stuff.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so you, I was listening, one of your stories,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: you were talking about, this is me listening to you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: in some interviews you've done and stuff. You're talking about
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: how you had hiked up a mountain to someplace and
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: you and your buddy, was it Bob, had like taken
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: your chairs and like you had to, oh my God,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: what was it?
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: You had your luggage or something?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: We took airport luggage. Up the mountain.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: And me and Bob will laugh about that from time
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: to time. So we took all this luggage up.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: To the mountain.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Why did you do that?
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Was it really luggage?
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: So the field has a small mountain behind it.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: And we've seen the flashes, the eyeshine, the stuff up
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: on the hill.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: We call that the hill. So we wanted to go
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: up the hill and get a view of the field
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: from the hill and see what would happen. So we
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: had our thermals, our night vision. We had two chairs.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: We had a cooler with some drinks in it. So
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: it's like airport.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Luggage, you know. We just carried it. I had a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: bunch of bags on my shoulder. So we went straight
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: up the mountain.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: And it ended up being more of an incline than
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: what we thought. And we couldn't quite make it to
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: the top because our legs were rubber. And we were
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: toting up all this airport luggage up there. So we
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: ended up taking some rocks out of the way and
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: hand digging a spot to.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Put the chair in. Now, we both set our chair up.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: Now, here's the thing about it. If we fall asleep
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: in our chair and lean forward, we're going to go
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: tumbling down the mountain because it's an incline like that.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: You're going straight down the mountain. We stayed up all night.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: We saw a light across the way. And it was
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: in the mountain. It rose above the mountain in the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: sky and went back down. And I didn't record it.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: I hate that I didn't record. I was mesmerized by
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: what happened. And something came up behind us. And Bob
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: jumped up and turned around and said, man, you better
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: get the hell up out of here or I'm going.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: To shoot you.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: I'm looking over at him. I'm like, what's he talking about?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: Something he heard sneak up on him an hour later.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: something came creeping up behind me. And we heard, we
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: counted that night, Jessica, we heard 18 wood knocks from
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: that hill. And so that's one of the memories that
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: we always talk about. And we talk about the day
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: we carried the airport luggage up the hill.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: We had the 18 wood knocks. It was just a
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: crazy night.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: And likewise, I've never seen a light that, be in
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: the mountain and then rise above and go back down
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: like that again. As we headed out that morning, somebody
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: in the mountain range right.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Across, it had to be a person, but all we
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: could see was a lantern.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: A lantern through the woods was just going up and
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: up and up, and then it turned and just disappeared.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: But this was like as the sun had just come up,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: somebody with a lantern went across.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Are you sure it.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Was a person?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what I always assumed, but I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: don't know. But it's like, I think the sun was
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: coming up at like 630, something like that at that
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: point in time. I mean, who would be out there
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: up that high on the mountain? He was obviously on
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: a fire road. You know, who would be doing that?
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: And when we got back down to the van.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: There was nobody parked at that gate. So there was
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: nobody parked out there. So that, that, you know, that
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: was a heck of a night. That was the airport
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: luggage night. And that's something we still talk about.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: So the airport, I'll.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: Never, I'll never pack that heavy again and try to
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: go up a hill. And when we're coming down, we
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: fell on our butt 15 million times. And when we're
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: going up that hill, there were, There were bear patties
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: like two feet around, bear patties on the ground. There
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: were some big bears out there as well. But 18 woodknocks,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: that's not bears. Them woodknocks were in front, and then
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: they would be behind us like.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: They were communicating.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: That was the most woodknocks I ever heard in a night.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: And the wind wasn't blowing at all.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: It was still. Everything was still.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think the wood knocks are actually wood knocks,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: or do you think it's them doing a mouth click,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: like a tongue click?
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: So I think there's three things that they do, or
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: maybe four. So one is they stomp their foot, and
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit different sound.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: It's really loud.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: Two is they slap their chest, and that's really loud,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: and that's a different sound.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: They would knock.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: And then they make a noise clicking their lips, smacking
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: their lips together, which a lot of other animals in
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: the animal kingdom do that as well. But I think
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: that's the four different things that they do. If you
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: listen close, you can kind of notice it. I think
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: foot stomping is more towards humans when they're close by people.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: I think wood knocking is when they're communicating with each other.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: I think chest thump is when they're wanting to be
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: aggressive and keep something away from coming in on them.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: I also think cracking limbs, like they may just pull
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: a limb and crack it. That may be to keep
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: people from coming in on them as well to go
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: in a different direction.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: So I think each one of them will mean something different.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Great answers. Yeah, I agree with you on
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: all of that. And also, we're always finding these like X's,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: big X's in the woods. We know that there's some
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: kind of territory marker, right? But what do you think,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on wood structures and X markers?
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I found a huge X in Uwari off of
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 3: Tower Road. And it's been there for several years now.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: And you can actually walk all the way under the
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: bottom part of the X. You can walk under. And
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: Fendi actually found it. She had her nose on the
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: ground sniffing. And she went all the way to the X.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: And I actually took a person out there, a magazine writer,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: and they did a story on that and took pictures
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: of the X. It's still there today. I think it's
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: like a trailblazer. It's like a marker. And it means something.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know totally what it means. I don't know
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: small versus large. Some, some X's or little, little structures
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: that look like glyphs. So on the Uari trail, I
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: went up the trail on a day hike, changed out
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: my trail cam cars, came back down the trail and
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: there's a glyph there. And it was one that was
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: circled and then had a slash through it. So that
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: wasn't there when I came up, but it was there
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: when I was going back down. It has to mean something.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it means, but it's, It's something
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: along the lines of a trailblazer, maybe a marker for water.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: It might be a marker that a gravesite is around.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: It could mean many different things. And you worry there's
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of quartz. There's still some gold and different minerals.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: It could be a marker for minerals being nearby that
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: they used. There have been so many sightings by rock
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: hunters and gem hunters of Bigfoot that they may use rocks, gems, quartz.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: They may use it for some purpose. And so those
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: could be markers that those things are nearby as well as,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: and I know this is a fact, because I put
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: up trail cams all over the state. I got a
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: trail cam in the Adirondack Mountains in New York.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Me and Robin Moonshadow met up there five times because
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: she lived in Canada. So I would drive up to
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: New York and she would cross the Canadian border. And
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: I will give you a location. Eighth Lake Campground in
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: the Adirondack Mountains in New York is a great place
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: to go squatching. And we're probably the only two that
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: know that. I Google squatched that area. I'll do something
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: called Google squatching. So I'll go on Google Earth. And
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: I'll look up different areas and there's different things I'll
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: look for. And I scoped out eighth lake and it's
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: been a great place for us to go to. And
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: I won't be meeting her up there anymore, obviously, but
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: it's a place I'll probably make some solo trips up
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: there as well. But I think that that, that those markers,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: they mean something, something along those lines. Um, only they
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: know at this point in time, but I take pictures of,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: And I take notes. So it's something I'm trying to
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: figure out. I'm in the process of trying to figure
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: that out.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, okay. So the Adirondacks, that's interesting you brought
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: that up because I had covered this fella previously. who
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: claimed to have taken a Bigfoot body out of the
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Adirondacks mountains.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: I heard about that snake fella. Well, I had a guy,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm on, I'm on Tik TOK and I'd
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: scrolled through and I'm, and some of the, you know,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: I follow, I have a lot of Bigfooters that follow
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: me and I followed them and stuff. And there's a
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: gentleman from out there. I can't remember his name, but
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll get him on the show one day. Uh,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: but he said that he went to that, that place
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: to go, that carnival fair to go see that dead Bigfoot.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Cause we all figured it was fake, right? There are always,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: it's always hoaxing all the time. These bodies, And there's
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: no way any kind of park service or anybody's going
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: to let him take a body. It looks like a
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: human out of there. Okay. And not have any kind
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: of repercussions or whatever. But he said he got on
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: TikTok and he was like, it is so fake. He
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: was like, it is fake. It is paper mache and
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: some fur glued onto it. He's like, it's the fakest
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. He's like, don't waste your time
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: or your money to go look at that thing. But,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: you know, to this day, people are still trying to
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: hoax and all that kind of stuff, Dwight.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: That sounds like Peter Cain, the dog trainer.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: He's got like a frozen Bigfoot. And the Bigfoot's head
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: is like the size of an F-150. And it's paper machined.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: You just know that Peter Cain guy, he paper machined
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: all that together. But, you know, the Adirondacks, they've got
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: everything in it. You know, they've had UFOs. Robin Moonshadow
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: was really a little people expert and so much into
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: little people. And the little people are up there in
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: that area as well. And it's just beautiful. The woods
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: are a little bit different than down here. It's not
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: a case of woods or just woods. Woods are a
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: little different in different places. And, you know, the Adirondacks
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: has definitely got a unique feel to it as far
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: as the woods and everything out there goes.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Well, man, Dwight, I really enjoyed having you on the
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: show tonight. And I want to thank you so much
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: for sharing your encounters, your story with us and your
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: expertise in the field and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Just what you've learned. You know, it means a lot
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: to me that you took the time to come on
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: here and spend your Saturday night with us on the channel. Well,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you before we go, do you
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: have any advice for our audience tonight? We have a
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: lot of Bigfooters in the chat right now and people
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: who are Bigfoot enthusiasts and people who would like to
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: get out and check out Bigfoot and have their own experience.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: What is some advice you give to the audience about
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: looking for Bigfoot?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Well, my big thing is wanting to document it.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: So, you know, to me, if you really want to
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: go somewhere with it, I just think always in terms
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: of documentation, if you want to have an experience, I mean,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: if you go to a place like, uh, you worry, um,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: the South mountains, LBL, my biggest piece of advice would
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: be to get off the trail and get a chair
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: and just sit there and listen. You know, that would be,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: if you wanted to have an experience, uh, if you
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: want to document, uh, You know, I would say get
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: like a Sony audio.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: Recorder and use it.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: Use your cell phone if you enjoy going out there
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: and documenting your adventures. You know, the prices have went
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: down on thermals and night vision. I use AGM as
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: far as thermals go because I can pair it on
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: the phone or a tablet and I can sit there
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: and look 360 around me and have a big screen
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: that I'm looking at. So AGM thermals, the one I use, Jessica,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: it's down to $ 761 now. I mean, it's dropped down
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: in that price and you can hook it up to
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: a power bank and run it.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: All night long.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: So for me, I mean, I'm always about documenting, but
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: if you just wanted to have an experience without buying
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: equipment and everything, I think in this area, certainly Uari,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Westmore's campground or Yates Place campgrounds, two good places to
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: go where you might just be camping and you could
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: have an experience. And I would look on the BFRO
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: website and your area and see where there's been sightings
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: and go to those areas. And, you know, camp out there.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: Or if you can't camp, just sit in your car
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: in those areas and see what happens. Sit out there
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: all night long and see what happens. And then as
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: far as the daytime goes, just hike the trails where
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: there's been sightings.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: Just go out on a normal hike. And, Jessica, you
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: don't know what might happen.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: You never know. It's always a mix-up. Sometimes nothing will
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: happen at all.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of times nothing happens.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: You'll go to our booth in the festival and see
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of evidence we got. That's evidence from 13
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 3: years of squatching. Bob's been doing it for 13 years.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: I've had cameras and trying to document for about.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: 12 years now. That's from all those years.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: You might have 30, 40 pieces of evidence out of
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: all them years out of maybe 450 trips.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: That's a low percentage. So a lot of the times,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: nothing to happen.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: If somebody tells me every time they go out squatching,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: all this stuff happened to them, I get kind of skeptical.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: Although I never call anybody a liar, certainly.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, I can't say that I had so
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: much weird stuff happen the first time I went Bigfooting
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be here today talking about it if
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: it had not happened. So it was meant to be
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: that happened to me. Okay. But it took a long
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: time for me to ever get a visual, like seeing
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: things with my own eyes. It took a long time
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: before I ever saw anything. I was experiencing stuff out there,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't actually seeing them face to face. But
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: now I've had several encounters where I've gotten to see them.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: And it's, I mean, it's been what's 2011 is when
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: I started.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: 2011.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: I heard it went on my first expedition. And so
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: it takes a while. It didn't all happen out of
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: the blue. But yeah, was it you that had that picture?
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you about this. There was a picture
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: of like behind somebody's lake house or a cabin. There
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: was a straight up wonderful picture of a Bigfoot.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: You had that picture? I don't know.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: When we met, you showed me a lot of pictures
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: and I showed you some of mine.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: May have been Tim.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think I showed you some good pictures, but
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think any was from behind a lake house
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: to the best of my knowledge.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was thinking about a bar. I don't know.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: I need to go hang out with y'all again sometime
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: soon at one of these events.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, anytime.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: I want to see your pictures again.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: Next time we meet up, I'll bring my boards and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: all my pictures that I'll show at the festival. I'll
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: just bring them so you can look at them because
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think you've ever been to a festival that
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: we've been to. You need to come to Marion one year.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: Do you know that when I broke away from our booths,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: And I went to walk around and look. Do you
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: know that it took me an hour to go about
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: 200 feet?
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was so packed.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: There must have been 65,000 people on Main Street.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was crazy. The one in Marion is
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: super popular.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I love so much going to these
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot festivals and the conferences. I always tell people, if
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: you can go, go. Go meet people in person. It's amazing.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: It's just really good people all over the place. Of course,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say get stuck, but you get
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: there and you get in these conversations with people and
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: you just have missing time. I don't know what happened
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: in my day. I'm exhausted. I talked to 5,000 million
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: people out there today. But it's all worth it. It's fun.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: I do have one more thing. I'm having trouble pronouncing this.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could help me.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: How do you pronounce this right here?
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: Do you say that?
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: Armor, Vienna sausages, original hay. And when you go camping,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: you got to have that, you know, Viennese.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Viennese.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: Viennese.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Viennese. I ask all of my guests from the South,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: I ask them how they pronounce Vienna sausage. Everybody.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we like that. We like to call them Viennese sausages.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: That's the one thing, Jessica, that sometimes when we're out camping,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: Fendi don't eat too good. That's the one thing that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: me and Fendi can both eat. We can both sit
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: there and eat Vienas.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: I say Vienas. Okay. Vienas till I die. Look, y'all,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: I had to just put a picture up this time.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: I ask everybody and I'm just, it's so funny.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: Me and Tim Dills, we've lived off of Vienas while
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: we've been out in the outback.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Me too. Well, I mean, I try not
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: to have to live off Vianas, but they're there just
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: in case.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: They're always there just in case. It's an emergency backup
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: plan in case everything hits the fan. But, uh, but anyways, Dwight,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: it has been absolutely a ball hanging out with you tonight.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: I have had a blast. Thank you so much. I
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: have learned a lot and I hope you'll come back
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: and hang out with us again.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't do a ton of, uh, a
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: podcast I've done. I don't know, maybe a handful, but
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, anytime you want me on, I'll come on.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's, you know what, that's why I wanted you
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: on here even more because I knew it. And I,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: I reached out and I was like, the worst he
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: could say is no. Okay. And I'm glad I asked you.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: So thank you for spending your holiday weekend with us.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: I know you've had, you've had a little holiday this
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: week yourself, right? Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: I hadn't done as much squatching this week as I
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: wanted to, but I've definitely enjoyed the time off from work.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: You know, it's always good to be, On vacation and
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 3: not have to fool with a whole lot of things
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: from work.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, works. Work and suck. You have to go all
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: the time. I know. Well, at least you get out
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: and get to, you know, let off some steam on
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: your big foot and stuff. You're not having to work.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe I'll see you out in the woods one
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: day and we'll come out and go to Brown Mountain sometime.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: That sounds good. Okay.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: Well, before we go tonight, I want to thank everybody
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: for being here. Thank you all to everybody in the
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: audience tonight, all the chat room for being here tonight.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: I want to thank Sass Saga, Firewater by Design, Lycan
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: Claw for the super stickers tonight. You guys are amazing.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you for all your support. The moderators were working
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: their butts off tonight. Thank you all so much for
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: putting all of Dwight's links in the chat tonight and
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: for being here. It's been great. And so, yeah, I
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: guess I'll see you guys back here on Monday, 1 p.m. Eastern.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: Y'all come see me. Everybody have a, yeah, I guess
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: Monday's a holiday, but you know, I'm going to be
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: here anyways. All right. But, uh, but y'all have a
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: very safe labor day and, uh, and Dwight, thanks again
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: so much for being here. Thank you for saying Vianus too.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on. I enjoyed it.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: Wonderful.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Well, y'all go over to Dwight Campbell on YouTube and
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: go to Sasquatch recon on YouTube and also follow the
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: guys over at North Carolina investigates NCI as well.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: And everybody have a great night. And I will see
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: you guys back here on Monday. All right. Thanks, Dwight.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: Bye, y'all. Bye-bye.