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From Burnout to Awakening – Ralf Daab on Channeling & Spiritual Business | Ep 33 Live Free Ride Free · Live Free Ride Free with Rupert Isaacson

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I have my friend Ralph Daab from Krn Cologne in Germany on today.
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He's a publisher and has made his living his own way in many countries in the world
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and has come to a point where the material has sort of given way to the spiritual.
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And he's a man who's very much explored how as a westerner you can find your way
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to the shamanic, to the altered states of consciousness that open the window
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to the more indigenous way of looking at things while still being in the West.
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And I think that that's a very useful thing for many of us because
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as those of you listeners who know my background, spending a
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lot of time, for example, in the.
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Kalahari in Africa with hunting and gathering peoples down there, it can be
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almost misleading to think, oh, well, that kind of life, that deeply spiritual life,
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that very connected life, that's something different that happens down there in those
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other places with people who haven't sort of gone through the Judeo-Christian thing
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that we've all gone through, et cetera.
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I can't really do that because I'm up here in the western economy and, you
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know, stuck in that rap race and so on.
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Of course, we all know that's not really true, but I think it's
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really good to draw our attention sometimes to how people doing it right
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here, right now in our culture and particularly, you know, how is that.
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Is that is, you know, can that be related to business?
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Can that be related to how do you make a living when you, when you decide, okay,
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you know, I, I want to begin to explore these other ways of looking at the world,
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but I still have to kind of keep one foot pretty firmly in the, in the here
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and now and the economy and all of that.
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Now do I dance that dance?
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And I think somebody like Ralph has quite a lot of insights for us that way.
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So I thought I'd have him on the show for live free, ride free.
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'cause he's a man who definitely does live free and ride free
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and we can learn from him.
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So Ralph, thank you for coming on the show.
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Yeah.
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Hi Ruper.
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Thank you for having me.
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It's a great pleasure to be on the shower.
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So do you want to tell listeners a little bit about how we met?
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Because I think those circumstances.
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Are quite helpful to drawing people's attention to sort of
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always keep your eyes open.
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You never quite know who's around the next corner type thing.
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You wanna have a right.
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Ralf Daab: Yeah, it was, it is a great story.
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I always tell people I was living in, back then, it was like two years
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ago in Germany where we live now.
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Yeah.
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We born in Germany.
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So I was walking the dock, you know, up from the hill and then you know,
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passed by a, a horse place basically.
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And I was talking to Leon, your wife first, and then the dogs started playing.
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And then, so we started talking and so, oh, where are you from?
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What are you doing?
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And then I said like, you know, and then Leanna said, well, that
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you guys lived in, in the US in Texas, and then you moved back here.
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And I said, I, I lived in New York for some years and I also.
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Was in Texas many times.
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And then, you know, I'm a publisher.
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And I'm publisher.
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And then he said, oh, my husband Rupert, he's also like, he, he's an author.
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He published books, New York Times bestseller books.
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So, and then you walked up and then we met and we just connected right away, you
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know, and then we started talking and, you know, things like it was incredible
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because yeah, it was, it's, it's no
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Rupert Isaacson: coincidence.
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It was like well, what was interesting to me about that.
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First meeting and you gotta just picture listeners, you know, I'm picking poo.
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That's what we always do every morning.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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With the horses and, but people walk by, there's a public footpath that
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goes, you know, past the, the, the sort of main area where the horses are.
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'cause they all live outside and you know, people walk their dogs.
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You sometimes say hi, whatever.
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But relatively few people actually stop and say hi.
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You know, it's, it's Germany after.
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So it's like, first thing is, well that's kind of unusual.
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Look, here's a bloke who's actually kind of cheerful and, you know, friendly.
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And then but very quickly the conversation went to, well, you know, what do you do?
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Okay, I'm publisher, I'm a writer.
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Interesting, interesting.
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Similar worlds.
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And then of course I told you a little bit about what I publish books on.
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And then you say, oh, that's interesting because, you know,
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I do these journeys, right?
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And I said, oh, what kind of journeys?
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And you said, well, like MDMA.
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Right.
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And what was interesting to me about that was a lot of my friends and
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contemporaries, particularly in the USA in the last, I'd say five years, have
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begun to experiment with looking at altered states of consciousness through
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journeys with MDMA, which some people call ecstasy, but it's not the ecstasy,
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of course, that you buy in a nightclub.
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It's the pure form that used to be prescribed way back in the day by
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psychologists and psychiatrists who warring married couples because it
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made them listen to each other nicely.
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Brings out the sort of compassion in people and si psilocybin,
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which is of course mushrooms.
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And this has been a growing field among.
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I think many people in the kind of middle class of the west over the last
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decade or so, because I think there has been this growing awareness that
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the material life needs to be balanced with the spiritual, but the church no
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longer offers that never really did.
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I mean, mystic Christianity can, but not the church, not witch
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burning and Spanish inquisition.
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And so where to look, where to look.
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And so of course people began to look naturally to the Eastern philosophies
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because with the British Empire, that kind of really opened up that
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route from India through England and then out to the rest of the West.
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And that sort of, those meditations and Buddhism and Hinduism and stuff like that
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began to have a big influence on Western society, but it was still perceived
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as very much a thing from outside.
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I think from over there.
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People like me, of course, going down and spending time with a lot of
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indigenous folk bringing that back.
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But again, that's still being, well, that's something other,
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that's something over there.
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That's not us.
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That's not where we are.
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How do we, and so I think it's very logical that people like you, Ralph
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and other friends of mine, began to look to the use of psychotropics.
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In the same way that of course people are undergoing healing ceremonies in,
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you know, the Amazon or areas where, or Siberia, areas where native America,
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where psychotropic plants grow and have always been used for healing.
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It's a very logical thing and I think there's a reach back even through
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the European past there, because certainly in the pre-Christian
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era, people used fly aic mushroom.
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They used psilocybin, what we would call magic mushrooms and ver you
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know, datura nightshade certain things with hemlock or to achieve altered
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state of consciousness in order to you know, connect with the divine.
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And that of course was rooted out of our culture by the church.
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So there you are, and we're having that conversation and I'm thinking, well, this
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is sort of interesting on the Shamanic.
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And then when I began to do this podcast, I thought, well, actually
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Ralph would be a very good guy to get on this show because he is really
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an entrepreneur and you run your own publishing stuff, but you've also, you
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know, helped larger publishing companies.
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And that's something, but you, you also now thread this very spiritual path.
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That's Ry ride free.
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Sort of in a nutshell, would you take us through your journey a little bit,
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where you began as a boy in corn growing up, sort of, you know, in the seventies
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and eighties in that, you know, post-war booming economy, having fun, it takes
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you off to other parts of the world, just and then how you get into publishing.
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Just get, take us through that early stage in your life, how, how
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you get going on your live free, ride free sort of initial, yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah,
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Ralf Daab: I
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Rupert Isaacson: did
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Ralf Daab: that.
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So I grew up in Cologne and
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Rupert Isaacson: you know, I was which is a bit of a party town, right?
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It's a
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Ralf Daab: fun town.
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Well, it's a carnival, you know, the people are very open-minded and friendly.
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You know, my, my parents, my mother had a, a restaurant, you know, but a lot
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of people always came like every day.
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So it was always, yeah, I grew up in like a, in yeah, a good, environment, I would
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say, you know, so, and I played soccer, football, you know, when I was young.
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And I was pretty good.
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So I played for the s fone in the junior.
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What is, just tell us, oh, that's, SCON is one of the best
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club football club in the world.
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We just came up, you went up to, did you play Football Con?
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Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, right.
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But in the junior team, you know, so for some years
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Ralf Daab: and that was a
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Rupert Isaacson: great time.
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That's something that's like playing for Arsenal or, or Tottenham.
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Yeah, yeah,
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Ralf Daab: yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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So that was a great time when it was 14 years old, 15 years, 16,
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you know, so playing, like we, we played tournaments in, in, in Paris,
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in, in Brussels, in, in Zurich or, you know, so it was always good.
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Like I had go to the director of the school and said like, I have to go for,
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you know, a week for tournament, whatever.
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So it was a good time.
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I was and then I was, you know, I was obviously going to school and then I
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started university and but I knew right away from be, it's not really what I.
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Whatever you want to do.
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Like, so I would start, like my mom, I also did back then, so I would start like
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a friend, he was importing like t-shirts from California, like big Wednesdays.
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So I was like, oh, they cool t-shirts, exert shirts, you know, I would start
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selling them out of the car, you know, in the school and so and so on.
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And then other things like a hot tuna from Australia, like a
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brand, like really cool brand.
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So, and I said, let's open up a store.
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Let's, so like when I was 22, I opened my first fashion store in Cologne.
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And then you know, coincidence, somebody walked in and said like, yeah,
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I need like, you know, 20 jackets.
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And it turned out, turns out that he was from EMI, Electrola from the record
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company, and it was for Tina Turner's concert like tour, you know, so it was got
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into the merchandise business for that.
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So I was always like doing things, you know, like, and then a friend of mine,
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I was in New York, first time in 1991.
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What sent you to New York?
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Just pleasure.
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It was just Okay.
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It was before business.
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Yeah.
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Before business was like with a friend that went to New York for
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the first time and another friend, he was also in New York and he was
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working for hin for the publisher.
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Tian
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Rupert Isaacson: is a very famous German publishing house.
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Right.
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Basic Cologne.
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But now the world, you know, biggest art book publisher in the world.
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Yeah.
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You've, you, you've seen them listeners, even if you don't know them, they're
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these amazing German art and fashion.
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Right.
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Photographic.
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They have
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Ralf Daab: stores all over.
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Yeah, the world basically.
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So back then in the nineties, and then, then, then he said like, ah, you know,
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we are looking for somebody who could do like sales and marketing in the us.
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Are you interested?
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And I said, well, yes, of course.
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You know.
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So I started working for Tchen as a sales manager for the US and like first year,
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two years traveling from Cologne to the US like, you know, visiting, like, I
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don't know, first trip was 20 cities in like four weeks, you know, every day.
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Another city.
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So it was a great time.
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And then I moved to New York in 1995, you know, and moved there.
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It was just for, for a year.
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And then I stayed there total of like almost six years.
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So setting up the office there and then all sales and
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marketing, that was a great time.
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It was like my early thirties.
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So, yeah.
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So it was, that's how I got into publishing, international publishing also.
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And then I moved back and my son Lucas was born in New York.
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And then, we decided to go back to Cologne, and then I started my, of working
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for another publisher for three years.
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You know, I was responsible for setting up a program, so I developed
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the whole, the book program and international distribution.
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So, and then I decided to start my own publishing house in 2003.
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And yeah, so then we traveled a lot, you know, all over the place, like Asia
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lots then us a lot, of course Europe.
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And yeah, so that was I was always in, in things like, you know, what can you do?
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Like, develop new things.
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I have so many ideas and, and, and, so, and then I, you know,
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got to a point where publishing in general was, became difficult.
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Had problems with the banks, the investors and the whole thing.
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And then, so at the end I had to close the company, basically file for
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chapter 11, which is like insolvency.
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And yeah, it was a really tough time.
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And then the marriage ended I was kinda lost, you know, that
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was like 2000, where were we now?
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Like, 64, 15, 16 round then, so about eight, nine years ago.
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And so I was kind of lost and I said like, what can you do?
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Like my life, you know, so, and I, yeah, I did like a photo exhibition, for example.
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I had took some photos.
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I did like an exhibition, and then I, I, I decided like, oh,
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let's go back into publishing.
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And so I started to to create books again.
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But at the same time, I was always like looking for new things.
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But so I, I got into the meditation thing, so I was reading books, listening
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to podcasts about meditation or why, why did you get into meditation?
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Studying?
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Yeah, because, yeah, because I was like kind of felt like I, I needed to do
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something else, you know, like going out of like, like, you know, this business
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world that the business thing or the life of like, you know, just traveling around
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and being like stressed and everything.
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So, and then I started also doing sports again, and also mindfulness things.
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You know, had you always
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Rupert Isaacson: kind of in the back of your mind thought,
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or that meditation thing?
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I kind of want to get into that, but I'll, I'll do that later, you know, or
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was it more sudden thing a more new thing?
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No, no, it was always there, kind of, you know,
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Ralf Daab: like, you know, but it, it wasn't like, like every day, but I felt
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like, you know, I was at a point where I was, you know, like really lost and it's
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the only thing I could, could help me.
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Like, I could only help myself, you know?
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So, and I and it was good.
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So I, you know, did a love of sports again running and so I felt a little better.
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And and then it got to a point, like I was, you know, I talked to a friend
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and then he told me about a seminar he went to, and he said like it was
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the best thing he did in his life.
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And then he told me everything about it.
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And then.
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I said, yeah, I wanna do this.
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And that's how I got into my first journey of the MD May.
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Yeah, that was, I
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Rupert Isaacson: presume because you'd been living in New York, you know, you'd
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been in fashion, you'd been in sport, you'd been in publishing, recreational
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drug use must have been something with which you were quite familiar.
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I mean, I know I said No, not really.
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No, no,
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Ralf Daab: no, no.
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Not really.
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Rupert Isaacson: No.
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No.
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So when, okay, because I remember for example, when I was in my
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earliest twenties this is back like 8,000 years ago I think before the
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invention of the wheel I tried MDMA, at that point, it was still very pure.
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It was before techno, before the raves, before all of that took off.
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And so before it became a mass industry, that people then began to adulterate
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it with speed and, you know, awful.
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And so I, I tried it a few times in those early years and then very quickly gave
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it up because it, it very quickly became adulterated with all sorts of stuff.
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And you couldn't, at least at that stage in my life, access that pure form anymore.
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But I do remember breaking up with my first girlfriend.
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Basically she was dumping me.
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While we both were on MDMA, which of course, as many listeners
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may know, MDMA used to be prescribed by marriage counselors.
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Before it was made illegal because it helped people to listen to
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each other really compassionately and to tell the truth.
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Right.
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And so we broke up, you know, so kindly with each other, even
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though my heart was broken.
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And we remained friends, we're friends to this day.
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It's very interesting.
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So, you know, when you told me about you doing these MDM majors,
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I immediately made that assumption.
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Oh, well he must have had, you know, some sort of previous history with
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this, but you said No, not at all.
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So this being something quite new for you, right.
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What made you think Yeah.
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Okay.
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Well, that, that might be something then,
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Ralf Daab: because a friend told me that what, what, you know, what he
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experienced and told me that it's saved, that it's, you know, you know.
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So I said like, okay, because I was really not really into drugs, you know, I had
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joined, so, you know, of course then an alcohol, you know, wine and, and so on,
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but not, not no drugs, you know, I was not never, I always said like, you know,
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I can be fun without drugs, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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So, but in this case I was like looking into this more the, as this therapy
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than just like having fun with drugs or so, you know, and trusting my
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friend and said like, oh, let's try it.
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And then and it was tell everybody it was the best thing
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I did in my life, you know, so
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Rupert Isaacson: well.
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Right.
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You know, often you know, when people say, for example, go down to the
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Amazon looking for healing, they'll often find themselves with a ero, you
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know, a, a healer doing ayahuasca.
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Yeah.
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Which of course is a very, very strong hallucinogen.
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But many people will report I, yes.
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What I needed was a kind of radical way to break through an out of the worldview
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that has been to some I've been stuck in.
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And I needed kind of a radical change of environment, both physically
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and mentally, emotionally, in order to get this other perspective.
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Otherwise, I, I sort of couldn't break out of the, the rut that I was in.
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Do you feel that that's what happened to you?
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Yeah.
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Ralf Daab: Yeah, exactly.
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But it's also like after like the first time, it's like, it's like four years ago.
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So, and it's a whole process, you know, I realized, you know, after four years I did
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like many times different ways, you know, different locations, you know, like I
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ended up like, you know, some places and.
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And also tried other things, you know, with mushrooms and, and so on.
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And now after four years, I realize it's, it's not just the one, one journey,
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you know, or, you know, even the, the weekend or so, it's a whole process.
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It's like it changed.
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That transformation is going on like forever, you know?
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So it's like, but you, the thing is, like, you, you, I learned to
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let things go, you know, like to now during these journeys, to, to look
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at things, to, to have sometimes the same feeling again about things.
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Even when I was a child, I, I could look at this, say,
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oh yeah, that was not so bad.
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Or that was so, and, and, and, and let go.
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And, and now I realize that, that it's just part, it's just one part of it.
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You know?
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It's not like you do one journey MDMA or whatever it is, you know,
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like, and, oh, you're healed now.
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Oh, you changed my life now.
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No, no, it's like.
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To change your life or, you know, to go to, through a real transformation.
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It's, it's, it's takes weeks and years and, and, and goes on, you know, like, no
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Rupert Isaacson: doubt.
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But you need that initial experience.
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Initial experience to sort of
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Ralf Daab: help leapfrog into that.
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Yes, exactly.
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And the initial experience is like to, to to, to become like
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in different consciousness, you know, different perspectives.
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And this is what I never had experienced before without that
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drug, you know, without MDMA or without mushrooms, whatever.
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But MDA is more like for me at least, it was like to, to see
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things from a different perspective.
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Yeah.
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Every ev every time like really clear.
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It's not like you're a, you're like sleeping or, so I was always
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clear and I was, I've experienced stories, really stories.
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I was in those stories in like 500 years ago in Persia.
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I was in, in the universe.
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I was an astronaut.
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I was, and my soul was up there in, in the Big bang or whatever it is,
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you know, like, and I said like, what?
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It was such great stories and experiences and that changed my view of myself and
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my surrounding my people around me.
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So it's like all it is, it's like a kind of heart opener.
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And then when you go that path like I did you'll see that, that your life change.
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But it's like not, I.
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You know, if you, you stay in your environment, if you stay
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in your structure, you, you don't change really a lot.
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So you have to let go.
21:25
And you have to realize, and you have to say, okay, if I, if a relationship
21:29
ends now, yeah, maybe it has to end now because without ending the
21:34
end of the relationship, you can cannot experience something new or
21:38
you move to a new place, you know, and it's all part of the journey.
21:42
And that's, that's it all started four years ago with the MDMA and I,
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I did many, many trips, many and I still do it's kind of like sometimes
21:51
I feel I don't need it anymore.
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'cause it's like what your neuroscience would say, tell you, it is like the
21:57
neuro, they can adjust you know, things.
21:59
And then you, you can get the same feeling or you can, I can change my perspective
22:03
now without taking anything because my neuron, they, they experience, they can,
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they can, they can be in that same state.
22:11
So, and yeah, so for me it was like, it's a, it's a game changer.
22:17
Rupert Isaacson: It's, it's a life changer.
22:18
And in those early days when you were first taking these journeys, and I'm
22:22
gonna ask you to describe, you know, some of the journeys that stand out the most
22:28
and the insights you got from them, but in those early days when you were first
22:31
beginning with it, did you find it very difficult then to reintegrate yourself
22:34
back into, if you like, ordinary life, making a living business, picking up the
22:39
phone to people, striking deals, whatever?
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Or did you actually find that?
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No, it was actually much more of an effortless flow.
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The first journeys
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Ralf Daab: I, I remember was like, I, I was telling everybody now how great
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it is, you know, it was like friends and family, and people are like, some
22:55
people on the street maybe say like, I, you know, this is so fantastic.
22:59
Everybody should do it, and everybody has to like, go on
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trips and it's change everything.
23:04
So then I realized you, you cannot talk to everybody about it.
23:07
You know, some people said, Hey, he's crazy, what is he doing?
23:09
And and I said like, yeah, okay you shouldn't talk to everybody about it.
23:13
Just to people who are really interested.
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And I said, like, you know, you figure out, you know, who's
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really interested and who's not.
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But yeah.
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And then I got to the point and said like, okay, what I'm doing
23:23
now if I continue this journey is I realize myself that I'm changing Now.
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I, you know, I, I, I talk differently.
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I feel differently.
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So if I, if I want to stay in my old world, I have to stop
23:36
now because it doesn't work.
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Or I, I say, okay.
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That's my new path.
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I go that path no matter what.
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And I do, and I did, and I still do.
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And then you realize that you don't have to talk about anymore.
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It just comes.
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People just come or they don't, you know?
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And, and the things change.
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And also in terms of business, it opened up new paths as well.
24:07
So I'm doing, I'm, my conversations now with, with architects or interior
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designers is different now and, and the business is growing actually.
24:15
But those are the books you're doing now, right?
24:16
The, your higher series,
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Rupert Isaacson: it's about architecture.
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You'll do the
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Ralf Daab: architecture and interior books and the business
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actually growing like this year.
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And it's like, it's amazing.
24:25
You know, it's like the more I open up, the more people I attract to, to publish
24:30
with me, to publish their work with me.
24:32
Plus I've written my own book.
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About the stories.
24:37
A little book I published myself under my new labor high on living came out like in
24:42
February and then it sounded quite good.
24:44
And tell us about the book.
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What is it?
24:45
What's it called?
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Yeah, I wrote the stories like the stories I experienced on this
24:49
journeys, you know, I wrote them down.
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This is like 32 episodes in the book.
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They're short episodes, you know, so, and it's, yeah, you could read
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it and get really good responses from people say, okay, this is really cool.
25:01
I could see myself in this same story, you know, like up in the universe or.
25:07
I journey to myself in my own self, in my own nothing.
25:11
You know, when you on your own atom, there's nothing there.
25:14
But then I experienced the most energy ever I experienced.
25:19
So, and it opened up everything and started to love myself.
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Self-love is basically, I experienced on one of the journeys, I was myself
25:27
saying, wow, this is, this is love.
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This is, I didn't know what love is before love.
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I thought of this could live, love my wife or my, my parents, my son, but this
25:39
kind of love I, I didn't know before.
25:41
So, I wrote this little book and actually it was like when I moved here to Opco
25:46
two days, two days later, I was like posting a video on Instagram saying
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I'm living up here now in the nature.
25:53
And I got like, from my.
25:55
Former employee Laura.
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She used to work for me in, in Cologne like 12, 13 years ago.
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She's like, she wrote on Instagram like, what are you doing there?
26:03
She said like, well, I live here now.
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Well, she said, like, I live in like right here in the village,
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like for 10 years, so let's meet.
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And her husband was also involved in the, in uncle in in the reading day,
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like where authors came to do readings.
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And so he took me into the program.
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So I was there officially in Hong Kong and did two readings that day.
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It was fun, you know, people came and listened to my, my Stories
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and tell us the name of the book.
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The book is named Dbia.
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There you are again.
26:34
Dbi You again.
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32 episodes.
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Yeah, soul Journey of Zaza and Ze episode.
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That's the Journey.
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Subtitle.
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And Zaza Ze Being Journey.
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Right.
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And it's, it's a nice little book and yeah, people like it.
26:51
And so that's the basic, and, and through that book I got I, I'm
26:55
getting now three more authors.
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Like I one author in, in Hedburg now, like Christine, she wrote
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a book about her journey.
27:02
Like one year she traveled with her family around the world.
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She, she wrote really nice books.
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So that's, I'm gonna publish that book under high on Living and, and others.
27:11
So then through that, the new publishing part we call it High on Journey, high
27:17
on Living, not On Journey, high on Living is a new division kind of buddy.
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Where I'm gonna publish the, the stories of people with their want to, you
27:28
know, write their book about their own story and bring it out to the world.
27:31
And it's, it's really cool so that, you know, so my, my past, my journeys,
27:37
I got into a new business basically.
27:40
And it's really interesting to see like how people are attracted to that.
27:44
You know, it's also part of like, I think the future where people think
27:47
about more how you run a business and what kind of business is good.
27:52
So, I remember like a year ago I posted something on LinkedIn saying, you know,
27:56
I'm, I'm going, like, the spiritual entrepreneurship is the new thing,
28:00
kind of, you know, you have social entrepreneurship where you've got the
28:04
sustainability and all that kind of stuff, but the spiritual entrepreneurship
28:08
is something, it's in the future, like, especially the young generations looking
28:12
to, to start is basically what, what.
28:15
Kind of product or service you can do for, for everybody that it's not like,
28:20
of course you run a business and you should make money with it, you know?
28:23
So it's not like, but in a different way.
28:25
It's not like you make money no matter what, and you you know, keep it all for
28:29
yourself, you know, like we have nowadays with all the, the Jeff Basos and things,
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you know, I have like super yachts and so no, that's not spiritual entrepreneurship.
28:38
It is like for, for everybody.
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And, and that's, that's the kind of thing I, I, I'm, I'm looking into,
28:44
and that's that's how I want to start or build up my new publishing
28:48
division also as a community.
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And it's all part, it's all together now.
28:52
And like, started with my first MD major like four years ago.
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It's incredible.
28:57
But what happened since, ever since, you know, so, and it's, it goes on, you know?
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So.
29:03
So
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Rupert Isaacson: let's talk about some of those journeys.
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Tell us about the first journey you did, and then I want you to give us.
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Some windows on some of those other journeys.
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Let's start with your first journey four years ago.
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Well, the first journey was like I
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Ralf Daab: was, you know, you, you put the music on you basically, you take
29:20
it and then it takes like half an hour.
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So, and then you put the music on.
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You're lying down.
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You lying down on the mattress in a quiet room.
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Quiet room.
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Yeah.
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Someone is there with you to look after you a bit.
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Yeah.
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Right, right.
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It, it's better like setting settings.
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Very important.
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Someone with not alone experience.
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Alone with experience.
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And you can have also like conversations, you know, during your, mm-hmm.
29:41
Your, your.
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Journey.
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So I was like looking out the window and I saw like birds flying
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and said like, oh, that's fun.
29:48
You know, let's fly with birds, you know?
29:49
So, and I really, my soul left my body and I went up to the, and fly, you
29:53
know, played with the, with the birds.
29:55
And then I suddenly went further up through the clouds, through the sky.
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And I was up in, in the universe in the, so, and then I saw the earth from above.
30:06
And how beautiful this be.
30:08
Blue planet was standing, like, looked like standing still.
30:12
I was really like, it, it, it wasn't like looking a picture, it was like I
30:16
was there, my soul was up there, and I looked at this beautiful planet.
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I said like, oh yeah, my God, this is so beautiful.
30:23
And what are, what are we doing here?
30:24
And then, and then suddenly I had like a drag kind of like, it was so, so, so fast.
30:29
I said, what the, the, the earth doesn't stand still.
30:32
It, it, it turns like in one day.
30:35
We, we have speed of 1,600 kilometers per hour.
30:38
We, we moving, but we don't feel it, you know?
30:41
So, and the, the, the earth is moving around the sun with the speed
30:46
of 100,000 kilometers per hour.
30:49
And it's incredible.
30:50
Like, and you know what?
30:51
And you don't feel it, but when you, and then I realized, hey,
30:56
this is so, this is amazing.
30:59
But it's also like, so it, it changed my perspective of like, being on that planet.
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You know what I mean?
31:05
It's like seeing from outside and, and feeling the, the speed and almost
31:10
felt like, you know, I'm nothing.
31:11
I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and how f how big the universe is and how
31:16
f everything is so creative.
31:17
So I said like, who am I?
31:20
You know, what am I doing here?
31:22
Why we have wars on earth?
31:24
Why we have so crazy people, like, you know, so that, that
31:28
first journey changed my.
31:31
Perspective of everything myself, the earth, the universe.
31:35
And then, then I got back into my body and I was laying there.
31:39
I said like, wow, this was incredible.
31:42
This was, I've never had this experience before.
31:45
And I was really, it felt like, you know, not looking TV or on the picture.
31:50
It was like my soul was up there.
31:52
And maybe it was, I think it was because maybe my soul was up there
31:56
in form alive or whatever, you know?
31:57
So, and that's a difference of, you know, maybe just meditation or being
32:02
like in a different consciousness.
32:05
Rupert Isaacson: Well, I think consciousness is the, is the word there.
32:09
You know, listening to the current
32:14
conversations that are going on around quantum explorations from
32:18
physicists, it seems that the people who were dubbed crazy, like,
32:23
penrose back in, in, in the uk.
32:26
He was in his nineties.
32:27
Now he, even though he was a, a Nobel laureate, even though he made many, many
32:33
contributions to mainstream science that he was celebrated for when he came up
32:37
with the idea that perhaps the universe is conscious, perhaps physics, the answers in
32:43
in classical physics are just not enough.
32:46
And that they need to interact with fields of consciousness that seem
32:54
to be expressed through quantum.
32:57
He was just, you know, laughed out of town.
32:59
And then you had people like Rupert Shel, Drake, another renowned physicist
33:04
in the uk basically saying the same thing, saying, no, I think, you know,
33:08
from a scientific point of view, the only explanation is that we're dealing
33:11
with a conscious universe and that everything is conscious and that cells
33:14
a conscious, and consciousness is not, not a, not a product of the human brain.
33:19
That the human brain comes from consciousness.
33:22
You know, and that old sort of Judeo-Christian idea of from
33:28
Descartes in the 17th century, I think therefore I am right.
33:32
And so therefore only humans, you know, have spirituality,
33:36
emotion, soul, blah, blah, blah.
33:37
And of course this was taken up by the church with great alacrity 'cause
33:40
it meant one could get away with doing all sorts of horrible things.
33:43
'cause then you could also have a hierarchy of, within humans, you know,
33:46
who, who's more worthy than others.
33:49
And of course that turned out to be white people.
33:51
Especially, you know, ones who are gonna go and do some colonizing.
33:54
All of that seems to be breaking down now, and the people who are exploring fields
34:02
of consciousness in the western world all seem to be coming to this conclusion.
34:08
Talk us through your next journeys, because that was sort of your
34:12
icebreaker, if you like, right?
34:14
Where you you got the new perspective.
34:17
And I remember having that same response when I was sort of in my
34:24
late teens, early twenties, I think when I first ever did psychotropics.
34:28
I think I was living in Canada actually at the time, and when I first did
34:32
LSD and I realized this is before any of my exposure to sort of shamma
34:37
shamanism or anything like that.
34:39
And I remember thinking, this is really useful because this is like
34:42
being taken up to a window on.
34:47
Spirituality or window on altered consciousness or what now people
34:52
might call other fields, but you can't really go through that window.
34:57
The, the drug is also, it gives you the, the perspective,
35:02
but also is the limitation.
35:04
And then later when I encountered, you know, sun Bushman healers and others who
35:10
could go through that window I, of course, you know, my life changed, but I remember
35:15
thinking very early, yes, this is great.
35:17
I'm so glad I got a chance to see through this window, but I
35:22
can't go through that window.
35:23
You know?
35:23
So you, but so you kind of a bit did go through the window on that first
35:32
trip, but not perhaps fully right?
35:35
You're still.
35:37
Aware, well, this is a medicine I've taken, or this is a drug that
35:39
I've taken, it's brought me here.
35:41
How does it then develop, talk, talk us through the next couple, when's the next
35:44
sort of most significant moment in, in these journeys that stands out for you?
35:50
Right.
35:50
Ralf Daab: And, and this is very the most significant story I was
35:54
like before, went on the journey.
35:56
I said like, you know, I wanna really know what am I doing in my, my life here?
36:00
What is my purpose?
36:01
What is my calling?
36:01
Like, you know, am I really doing the things I'm supposed to do?
36:05
Like, so sometimes you, you can ask questions before or, you know, but it's,
36:10
it's not necessarily that it comes up.
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The subconscious will tell you what, you know, what's important.
36:14
But in this case, it came up and so I was listening to music.
36:19
It was same thing.
36:20
It was on a mattress listening to music, and it was a kind of,
36:23
kind of Arabian melody music.
36:26
So suddenly I saw myself on a bazaar in Persia, but some hundred years ago.
36:33
So I was walking through, was bizarre, looking at, you know,
36:36
beautiful things like bases, like carpets, like beautiful things.
36:40
And the people like who were selling that, they know me, they, they
36:43
offered me to take, oh, take a look at here and there and there.
36:46
So, and then suddenly two guards came, like soldiers, and they Japanese said
36:50
like, oh, I, you are Ralph, right?
36:53
And yeah, I said like, yeah come on, the, the Salton wants to see you.
36:57
I said, Saltan, why Saltan?
36:59
Yeah.
36:59
Come on.
37:00
So, and, and I'm telling this story.
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I'm really in that story.
37:03
I'm not, you know, looking from the outside and then
37:06
see the, I'm in the story.
37:08
It's the same thing.
37:09
As I said before.
37:09
My soul was in the, I like up in space now.
37:13
My soul was in Persia some hundred years ago.
37:16
And I, you know, I could hear the voices, I could see everything like, as I would
37:21
be there, like, so I was in the, in the.
37:24
I was, yeah, walking with the palace and, and towards the, the sultan.
37:29
So the Sultan said, hello, Ralph, very nice to see you.
37:32
Glad you came.
37:33
And and then he said that this is it.
37:35
They say, you can see the beauty.
37:39
Show me the beauty in this world, because I cannot see the beauty show the
37:43
beauty to me, and I will make you rich.
37:45
So I said, okay, all right.
37:48
So that's, and then I, this stopped, story stopped, and it was like in the
37:52
conversation with the guy was with me.
37:54
He said like, you know what, I could just experience I salt like
37:57
some hundred years ago in Persia.
37:59
He said, yeah, what does it mean?
38:00
Like your subconscious wants to tell you something of that.
38:04
So, yeah, yeah.
38:04
I'm doing books like for the last 20 years I published books on architecture,
38:08
art, fashion, you know, to show beautiful things, you know, to other people.
38:13
That's what I'm doing.
38:14
Yeah.
38:14
Okay.
38:15
So, all right, that's that.
38:17
So now, now I know that I'm doing the right thing, you know, because.
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That's what my subconscious told me.
38:24
The funny, now the thing is like one of the next, not the next one, but the, the
38:29
journey after like, I don't know, four months later, did the Suan feel that you
38:33
did show him the beauty, or did Yeah.
38:37
That the story continues.
38:38
Mm-hmm.
38:39
Like four months later, say music comes up, you know, mattress.
38:43
And I was like, oh, I'm in Persia again.
38:47
And I said, oh, oh, let's see what's gonna happen.
38:50
So I'm in front of the S again and he says like, oh yeah, glad you're back.
38:54
I, you know, I watch you and then you do a good job.
38:57
Continue.
38:57
It is all right.
38:58
You know, that's, you're doing the right thing.
39:01
But I have to tell you something.
39:02
I said, okay, what do you have to tell him?
39:04
And he says, I don't exist.
39:06
I said, what do you mean you don't exist?
39:07
Who are you?
39:09
And then he says, in this word, I'm God, I'm the universe, and I'm you.
39:14
And then he vanished.
39:15
He, he exposed, he's gone.
39:17
The palace is gone.
39:18
Everything is gone.
39:19
I'm on the mattress, I'm back.
39:20
And the said what?
39:22
Yeah.
39:23
And then talking to the guy, I said that, yeah, it was just happens.
39:25
Had the high spiritual experience saying like, it's all in my set.
39:30
And me the sultan is just, I'm you.
39:33
He said, like, it's in me.
39:35
So it's all there.
39:38
And that's, that's an incredible story.
39:42
Now now I know that I'm on the right path.
39:45
So what happened then is we were in California two years ago and we
39:52
were down in San Diego, LA Jolla.
39:54
It's like, a place I know, 'cause I've been there many times when I
39:57
lived in the us So I was going to the bookstore and check out the bookstore.
40:03
So there was a, I sort of sign psychic reading.
40:05
I said like, ah, I'm curious.
40:07
Let's say, let's go there.
40:08
So I called and said like, come like in half an hour.
40:12
So, so walk in and there's an old lady, beautiful setting, you
40:15
know, it was more like a gallery.
40:17
And I asked her, what, what can you do?
40:19
So, and she said like, I, I can do a reading.
40:22
I said, okay, let's do it.
40:23
So one hour she said, like you said, just sit down.
40:26
You don't say anything, you know, just listen.
40:28
And after that you can ask questions.
40:31
Like afterwards, in one hour she told me everything about my childhood, my, my
40:36
life, my relationships, my, the things I'm doing, business wise, everything.
40:41
And now it comes.
40:43
Then she told me, in a former life you were in Persia on Aza you were responsible
40:49
to show people beautiful things.
40:50
Can you imagine like a psychic reader in California?
40:53
That's real.
40:54
It's not, that's not a journey.
40:56
That's not, that's real life.
40:58
She tells me the story I experienced on an Emily MJ journey six months before.
41:04
Incredible.
41:05
And then, and then af especially then I knew that's, that's something real,
41:10
you know, now I know it's, it's there.
41:13
It doesn't matter if it's a journey and the image or it's real life.
41:17
It, it's, it's the same basically.
41:19
And how can she possibly know that, you know?
41:23
And did you ask her how she did?
41:24
Yeah.
41:25
And, and she said like, what?
41:26
She said, like, when I walked in, she said, like, I was,
41:29
she could see everything.
41:30
I was open.
41:31
She said like, you know, you are very open.
41:34
And then I told her about the journeys.
41:36
She said, okay, now I know because you did the journeys, you're, you're very open.
41:39
You can, you know, so you're I, I have a feeling also that I can, things are
41:44
channeled to me, you know, sometimes, you know, says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:49
That's all, that's you.
41:51
And it's incredible.
41:52
Then after that you said like, okay, now I'm, I'm really like the next level.
41:57
Of my myself, basically, you know?
42:01
So, and that showed me that what, what's in me, in my subconscious
42:06
comes out through the MDA major.
42:08
It is in real life.
42:09
It's like what calla synchronicity happens, you know, like you
42:13
experience things in real life.
42:16
Maybe you have a dream or you have a journey.
42:18
I'm the major, whatever.
42:20
Or maybe mushrooms and things are happening.
42:23
And that's, I think, great.
42:27
It opens up
42:28
Rupert Isaacson: many doors.
42:28
Did she elucidate or do you feel that what's going on with a thing
42:33
like that is that you were dealing actually with a linear timeline?
42:36
Like I used to be that person I, I'm, I'm now reincarnated as this person?
42:41
Or do you or she feel that No, these are existing and overlapping parallels, fields
42:49
of consciousness, which are perhaps.
42:53
Happening simultaneously.
42:55
Yeah.
42:55
It's more like I experienced it happening all at the same time.
42:58
So you are still the Yeah.
43:00
It's person in Persia.
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Yeah.
43:02
And you are still whoever you were or will be, right?
43:06
Ralf Daab: Right.
43:06
Even like in, in formal lives.
43:08
But also now I'm still the young Ralph, the, the baby Ralph, the, the
43:12
5-year-old Ralph, the 15-year-old Ralph.
43:15
I'm, I'm also, but I'm also the 90-year-old Ralph.
43:18
Old, old Ralph already I'm, everything's at the same time.
43:22
It's just a different perspective.
43:25
You know, when you look at this and you can say it's just, if I'm like
43:29
I'm now 60 years old, so if I go like 55 light years away, I look to the
43:35
earth and I see the 5-year-old Ralph.
43:37
So it's all at the same time.
43:40
And the great thing is what I experienced myself, is to find the
43:44
old, the 5-year-old Ralph again in me.
43:47
To let the, let the, the young Ralph play again, like the, you know, be
43:51
silly, be, you know, open and yeah.
43:54
And that's a great thing.
43:55
So to know that everything is there at the same time, time is nothing.
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Time
44:01
Rupert Isaacson: is, was it, was it Einstein who said that time may
44:05
just be a particularly stubborn illusion brought about by gravity?
44:10
Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that, but that's certainly something he said.
44:14
But I, I suppose I could actually, because if you add weight and mass
44:19
to things, you know, you've probably seen those diagrams of the idea of
44:23
space and time being like a net.
44:24
And you put planet like ball that sits on it, goes whoop, like that.
44:28
Yeah.
44:28
Right.
44:28
And that warp kind of effect of like the ball on the blanket with a
44:34
blanket then gets a big bulge in it.
44:36
If we are sort of in the middle of that, we then might experience that
44:40
heaviness, that weight as time could be.
44:43
Could that be, I mean, that sounds as, as feasible as anything else to me.
44:46
I don't see why that wouldn't be, particularly when you've got
44:49
people like Einstein saying it.
44:51
Okay.
44:51
Take us through the next thing.
44:54
But before you get there, there's actually just something I'd like to also add.
44:58
When I've been with indigenous peoples frequently, their
45:01
perception of time is not linear.
45:05
It's often more vertical.
45:06
The idea is again, that it's all these things are happening simultaneously.
45:11
You own lifespan is happening simultaneously.
45:14
You are, as you say, your young self, your old self, your dead self, your previous
45:18
self, your next self, all of that.
45:20
That's all at the same time.
45:23
It's just that where your awareness is, is now.
45:27
Yeah.
45:27
And that, of course there is only the present because no
45:30
one's ever been able to see.
45:32
Anything else.
45:33
But there are all those presence are constantly going on together.
45:36
And I've had that, I've had that presented to me many, many
45:40
times in indigenous settings.
45:43
And then watch people do really interesting things with that.
45:45
Then I just say it.
45:46
But then they will go into an altered set of consciousness and in front of my eyes,
45:51
pull something physically outta somebody's body who's sick and they get well.
45:54
Again, I, I've seen that many people who've gone and spent time
45:58
in those sorts of parts of the world would have similar stories.
46:01
So clearly it's been put to some sort of practical use.
46:05
It's just within our context in our culture, we find it confusing.
46:10
Tell us then again, you, okay, so there's, there's you in Persia twice.
46:17
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Ralf Daab: I mean, we are under us now.
48:15
Now it's very confidential.
48:17
Oh, no.
48:18
Well,
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Ralf Daab: You
48:21
Rupert Isaacson: don't want it.
48:22
Ralf Daab: No, no, no.
48:22
It's really, I can tell the story because it's once, this story is really, when
48:26
I do the reading, you know, especially woman asked me, how, how did you do that?
48:31
So I had sex with myself.
48:33
Ah, I
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Ralf Daab: explain it now.
48:34
Were you good?
48:36
Yes, absolutely.
48:37
And then, and it was incredible what a relief
48:39
Rupert Isaacson: would be.
48:40
Ralf Daab: Can you imagine if you like, well, that was a bit shit.
48:44
No, no, I was yeah, same thing.
48:46
So I was, music was good.
48:48
I was feeling really good.
48:49
And so I, I started touching myself, but it felt like, you know, I'm
48:53
touching somebody else, like with my hands, with somebody else.
48:56
And I realized, oh, you know, came up.
48:59
Oh, sex is good, you know, and then I saw myself as a man, as I am as Ralph.
49:07
But then I realized there's something different.
49:09
So I was also the woman.
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I was both, I was me and the woman, and I felt both, you know,
49:19
both sides, basically both feet.
49:20
I, I could feel myself and when I, when I, as Ralph as a man touched
49:24
the woman, the Ralph, whatever name touched, I could feel both sides.
49:29
So, and then we had sex, and then we really had sex.
49:32
So we had Did you enter yourself?
49:33
Yes.
49:33
Yes.
49:33
Did you feel
49:34
Rupert Isaacson: yourself being entered by you?
49:35
Yes.
49:36
Yes.
49:36
Ralf Daab: Yes.
49:37
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
49:37
So you, you as a man know what it feels like to penetrate, how did it feel
49:40
to be penetrated from that feeling?
49:43
Very, very, very, very good.
49:45
It felt very, what can you, can you, can you be more specific?
49:48
Like,
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Ralf Daab: I felt like, I felt it was very tender.
49:52
It was like smooth.
49:53
It was lovely.
49:55
It was, you know,
49:56
Rupert Isaacson: very what was the emotional component of
49:59
having this lover inside you?
50:01
It was love.
50:02
Ralf Daab: It was, it was, it felt like love, you know, like
50:05
everything, you know, so it felt.
50:08
Felt like I, I was, I would be one once, you know, everything in both.
50:13
But I, I had my, the, the feminine side and I had the masculine
50:17
side, and it was incredible.
50:20
So I, for me as a man afterwards, I was saying like, okay, it's good.
50:24
I'm, I'm very soft.
50:25
I'm tender, I'm, I'm, I'm a good man.
50:27
I'm very, you know, like, you know, so I, I think that woman feels
50:33
feel good in my, you know, with me.
50:35
So, and the other side was like, oh yeah, he's a good, he's great.
50:38
He's so it was both
50:40
Rupert Isaacson: sides.
50:41
And he's credible, like when I, do you think it was an exercise in
50:43
self-acceptance in some metaphorical way?
50:46
Yeah.
50:46
Kind of.
50:47
Kind of,
50:47
Ralf Daab: yes.
50:48
Yeah.
50:49
It was funny, like, when I do the readings, most women ask
50:51
me, oh, how, how does it feel?
50:53
And then how, how does it work to get into that feeling?
50:56
Because they wanna experience the same thing, but also as a man.
50:59
Sure.
51:00
You know,
51:00
Rupert Isaacson: everyone has that curiosity.
51:01
And then for
51:02
Ralf Daab: me it was like, this journey was like to, to show me
51:05
that everything is also in me, the feminine side and the masculine side.
51:10
And my feminine part, I would say is also, I would say, bit
51:16
larger than maybe other men.
51:18
So I have real good feminine side also.
51:22
And that was this journey, you know, to experience the sexual part on both sides.
51:31
Rupert Isaacson: So,
51:32
Ralf Daab: yeah,
51:33
Rupert Isaacson: it's interesting that you say that because I have a, it's not
51:37
exactly a recurring dream, but it's a dream where the, there's a recognition
51:42
that is recurring where sometimes I meet a young woman, and this has happened to me.
51:51
Oh.
51:53
Many times in the, over the decades, and there's this absolute falling
51:57
in love and but also a sense of, I know you, and sometimes we
52:04
make love and sometimes we don't.
52:05
But there's always this great joy and a feeling of homecoming and acceptance.
52:12
And then when I wake up, sometimes I wake up with tears, not from loss, not
52:18
because I've had to wake up and that person has gone, but sort of tears of joy.
52:24
And then at a heart level, what comes through is, oh, that was your soul.
52:29
You met your soul.
52:30
And it's interesting to me that my soul is always feminine
52:34
and occasionally it's a horse.
52:37
Mm-hmm.
52:38
Occasionally I meet a horse that talks, we don't make love.
52:41
But we do hang out and we, and we the interactions we have are very sweet.
52:50
Very loving.
52:52
There is this feeling of
52:56
a family, family or so less romantic than when I meet the young woman.
53:05
But nonetheless, the same exact feeling and the same heart
53:09
thought, that's your soul.
53:11
And then I'm always so grateful afterwards.
53:13
I always do a meditation or, or pray around gratitude and say, thank you, thank
53:19
you, thank you God universe for allowing me to make contact with my soul like
53:26
that because it means that I can carry that feeling around with me almost like
53:33
a little happiness garden inside myself.
53:35
And it sounds like you are describing.
53:39
A very, very intense version of something like that, perhaps.
53:42
Mm-hmm.
53:42
Rupert Isaacson: Has that happened to you again since, or No.
53:45
Was that a one time?
53:46
That was a one time, yeah.
53:47
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
53:48
But it's there now.
53:48
Now I know.
53:49
Like, it's in me
53:50
Rupert Isaacson: like, like
53:50
Ralf Daab: Right.
53:51
Do
53:51
Rupert Isaacson: you
53:51
Ralf Daab: feel
53:51
Rupert Isaacson: you can access that state?
53:52
Yeah.
53:53
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
53:54
Yeah.
53:55
It's with everything, you know, the thing is like, every story is comforting.
53:58
I think that that's the word I'm trying to Yeah, yeah.
54:01
Right.
54:01
Yeah.
54:02
Every story I experience like is, it's in me.
54:05
It's, it's, it's right there, you know, different situations.
54:08
I can pull it up and say, oh, yeah.
54:11
There's another great story I tell you.
54:13
Mm-hmm.
54:14
Please.
54:14
I always had a dream for years because you were talking about a dream.
54:18
In real life, like, I had dream like years and years and years.
54:21
I, I, you know, I was flying a lot, you know, when I lived in New York, I was
54:25
like always on the, you know, plane.
54:27
Like, I don't know.
54:29
I.
54:29
Every week almost.
54:30
I never had fear of flying or, you know, something, but in that dream the plane
54:35
crashed and in the, in the dark woods.
54:38
So, you know, I survive and everybody in the plane survive.
54:42
So, but I'm standing in the front of the wreck, the, the
54:45
wreckage that, of the plane.
54:47
And then the dream always stops there in the, in the, in darkness.
54:52
And this is a dream
54:53
Rupert Isaacson: outside of these MDMA journey, right?
54:55
Right.
54:55
Like the dream
54:56
Ralf Daab: I had like, for, for years, 10 years or so.
54:58
Okay.
54:59
Even, even more 15 years or so.
55:02
So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and and it's
55:04
dark and then the dream stops there.
55:07
I wake up and the dream stops there.
55:09
So on one of the journeys, the dream comes up.
55:13
Same thing.
55:14
I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and now I start walking.
55:21
Into the darkness.
55:22
You know, it, I could see nothing.
55:24
It was just black, you know, woods black, nothing could see anything.
55:29
How about I keep walking and then suddenly a, a girl stands there in
55:33
this white skirt, like a little, like five year, four year girl, girl.
55:38
And she puts me like an amlin around my neck.
55:41
And then she, she tells me that, go your path into the light.
55:47
Walk into the light.
55:49
So I keep walking, walking.
55:51
Suddenly I see a light, you know, in the woods.
55:54
So, and I get there and then and there's a huge deer like in, in the middle, standing
56:01
there in the light, and he steps aside.
56:04
And I go in there and I start dancing in that space where the light is.
56:12
And then suddenly I, I'm, I'm on a stage.
56:14
I'm in a huge stage, and then the curtains open, and then there are
56:18
thousands of people applauding.
56:20
And then I'm, I'm back there on stage dancing again.
56:24
So what tells me that metaphor was like, yes, I was, I was broke, you
56:29
know, I was like, you know, lost kind of like, and I was lost in real
56:34
life, so I was lost standing there.
56:37
I was not dead, but, and then I start walking and this little
56:41
girl gives me like an omelet.
56:42
Like say, okay, go into the light.
56:45
And then I'm, I'm on stage dancing and I'm back into my life.
56:48
I'm back on stage.
56:50
I'm, so, it's a fantastic story for me.
56:53
And ever since it's like, I don't know, two years ago, never had that dream again.
57:00
'cause it's the, the, the situation is solved now, you know?
57:04
You know what I mean?
57:05
Like, I'm back on stage and there was an old life that
57:09
Rupert Isaacson: had to end sort of.
57:12
Yeah, very businessy, very flying, roundy involved type life.
57:19
Right.
57:19
It needed to end, but when that ends, of course, yeah.
57:22
One feels lost for a while.
57:25
Yeah.
57:26
Until one is put on the next stage.
57:28
I could see, I could see the logic of that.
57:32
So that was really like,
57:33
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
57:35
Never had that dream again.
57:36
I don't need that dream again.
57:37
'cause now I'm back in state basically kind of like, okay, I'm back
57:42
Rupert Isaacson: now before we come to where you are back to, which
57:49
is different to where you were and perhaps an old self did have to die.
57:53
Talk to me about death.
57:56
So with these journeys, you experienced perspective, you
58:03
experienced love and self-acceptance.
58:05
You experienced.
58:08
Different fields of consciousness and vertical parallel timelines.
58:16
Ralf Daab: I know what you,
58:17
Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
58:18
Have you experienced death and if so, yes.
58:20
Yes.
58:21
Tell me about that.
58:22
Yes, I experienced
58:23
Ralf Daab: my own death and it was wonderful.
58:26
Some people would say, oh, scaring, or, you know, I don't
58:29
want to, you know, experience that I did and it was wonderful.
58:33
So the thing is, I, I was, you know, same thing, you know, mattress music
58:38
is on and I see myself on the beach in os Gore, that's in France, like
58:43
on the Atlantic Coast where we go almost every year for a long time now.
58:48
It's like a soul place for me.
58:49
Like it's, you know, so I see myself like on the beach sitting
58:53
there in the arms of a woman, but I don't see the woman behind me.
58:57
But I'm sitting there and then I.
58:59
The number 96 comes up.
59:01
So my age, 96.
59:03
I say, wow, that's fantastic.
59:04
I'm 96 years old.
59:05
I had a good life.
59:07
I it's a lot of time.
59:09
So, and then I felt that my soul is leaving my body, you know, it's like going
59:14
out of my body, like over the sand and the water up in the, through the cloud.
59:19
There were no clouds, but up in the sky and then into space and, and it said
59:23
like, I'm dying and actually a diet.
59:26
And the woman behind me said, like, you know, I'm, I'm coming with you later.
59:31
And I love you.
59:32
That's the last thing I heard.
59:33
I love you, but I couldn't see the woman, so I don't know who it is.
59:37
Yeah, no.
59:38
So that's but it was a wonderful experience.
59:43
It was very, very smooth, very not hurting, nothing.
59:49
You know, it was like going in back into space.
59:52
It, it just felt really, really wonderful.
59:55
And then being 96, I said like, you know, if that's, this
59:58
is really, I'm gonna be 96.
1:00:00
Wow, that's great.
1:00:01
You know, so I still have, you know, about, it was 56 at that
1:00:04
time, so I have 40 years to go.
1:00:07
It is fantastic.
1:00:08
You know, so, and if I die 90, say whatever can happen to me now, that being
1:00:10
Rupert Isaacson: 16
1:00:11
Ralf Daab: again.
1:00:11
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:00:12
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:00:12
That's the other story.
1:00:13
Now that, that's the part I experience on the MDMA journey.
1:00:17
But, so three months later we are actually in our school.
1:00:21
I go for a walk on the beach.
1:00:22
I have music on.
1:00:23
That's what I do.
1:00:24
Like once a day I going for a walk and then I stop.
1:00:28
And at that, I'm at that point where I said, oh, here has, here is this, here's
1:00:32
a place where I die so I could see it.
1:00:35
And I, I got showered.
1:00:36
It felt like boo goosebumps wall.
1:00:38
I.
1:00:39
I start crying, you know, say, wow, this is, here's a place.
1:00:43
So I then did calculations, said like I was 56.
1:00:47
Then I said, I, when I 96, it's 40 years to go.
1:00:51
When I subtract that from 56, I'm 16 years old now, and I can start all over
1:00:57
again with everything, with relationship, with business, with everything.
1:01:01
And I still have 40 years to go, wow, how fantastic is that?
1:01:05
So, and then I started crying and laughing and I was dancing on the beach
1:01:09
and I was like, wow, this is fantastic.
1:01:11
So that was real, you know, so that's what I said earlier with with when you
1:01:15
have like the experience with, with the Saltan or you know, with things
1:01:19
that happen in, in on the MDMA journey.
1:01:22
And then you have experience like in real life you say, well, that's
1:01:25
the same thing, you know here.
1:01:27
The, his story continues in real life, so I.
1:01:32
It was just fantastic.
1:01:33
And I said like, I don't have fear of death, nothing.
1:01:37
So what, what else can happen to me?
1:01:39
And one thing is like, a friend of mine, tma, he died in November of cancer
1:01:45
last November, very sad age of 58.
1:01:48
So, and last year I took him twice on the journey, MDMA journey.
1:01:54
And he experienced also his death on his first journey which helped him
1:01:59
a lot to, at the end, I was in the hospice with him the last three days.
1:02:04
And he told me the story, like how he died and he was great.
1:02:08
He was, you know, going into the light and he had no fear, you know, and he left
1:02:13
and with no fear and he gave me so much power and energy and it was incredible.
1:02:18
So, for him, this MDMA journey was wonderful, you know?
1:02:24
Going through this whole process, and then eventually he died then.
1:02:27
But it was great.
1:02:29
So for him and for me also, yeah.
1:02:32
So these are things that that's why I also like, going, I dunno
1:02:36
when next week, two weeks, we're gonna do like, MDA journey again.
1:02:40
Like this is like, just experience.
1:02:42
Like what, what's coming, you know, you can look into the future or I can look
1:02:47
into the future, or I can ask questions.
1:02:48
So like, what is, what, what's coming next?
1:02:50
Or ideas is something I should I should look at.
1:02:54
Or what also happens is that's what the, the psychic reading told me also,
1:02:58
like, I should be open to to channeling.
1:03:01
And that's happening also.
1:03:02
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's now, I, I sleep very
1:03:07
well because one thing is also like, it helped me a lot in the last six months
1:03:10
without the separation, the ending of the relationship and everything.
1:03:13
I.
1:03:14
I don't drink alcohol in it no more for six months now.
1:03:18
And it's great, you know, I feel good.
1:03:21
I sleep better.
1:03:21
I, I'm clear.
1:03:22
So it's, it's fantastic.
1:03:25
So I wake up most of the time, early in the morning, like 5 30, 6.
1:03:29
And then in that stage I'm, I'm just saying, okay, I'm
1:03:33
open, just channel whatever.
1:03:34
Like, I'm talking to the universe, they're like, oh, let, let me know
1:03:37
what I, you know, should look at.
1:03:39
And and I, I get messages.
1:03:42
It's, it's amazing.
1:03:42
Can you give us some
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Rupert Isaacson: examples?
1:03:45
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:03:45
It's like, some people come up, they say, oh, you should talk to him.
1:03:48
Or some people like like yesterday for example, was some like really like
1:03:53
a name came up or I saw the picture actually of a person who I've seen for
1:03:57
like years said I should talk, contact him, you know, so that kind of thing.
1:04:01
And I sent an email yesterday.
1:04:05
Got a response, so maybe a new project.
1:04:07
So that's kind of things, you know, oh, let's say I should do this or that,
1:04:11
or just some, sometimes small things.
1:04:14
But yeah, it's kind of like, or I see get also sometimes messages for other people
1:04:19
when I, when I see oh, there's something going on, and yeah, be careful, you know?
1:04:24
So I think it's more like, and then you tell
1:04:27
Rupert Isaacson: that person, I saw this.
1:04:29
Ralf Daab: Yeah,
1:04:29
Rupert Isaacson: keep your eyes
1:04:30
Ralf Daab: open.
1:04:31
It's like what Psyched told me, like you are very open, you know, you
1:04:34
know, a higher frequency basically.
1:04:37
And I feel that sometimes, you know, that I can get messages or feel something and,
1:04:43
that's what Yeah, it's, it's, it's great.
1:04:46
So it's nothing I'm, I'm afraid of, you know, so it's just really good.
1:04:50
And that's why, you know, I'm continue also doing, doing like, I'm
1:04:53
starting doing Kundalini now because Kundalini yoga is also spiritual,
1:04:58
you know, it's a connection between spirit and body and everything.
1:05:02
It's, it is part of the spiritual journey.
1:05:04
Or the go meditation I did last weekend in, in Hamburg was fantastic.
1:05:09
Have you done go meditation?
1:05:11
Wow.
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I have not,
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Rupert Isaacson: but I have, I have done things with singing bowls and frequencies.
1:05:17
I was recently in Grand Rapids, Michigan and went through a meditation with singing
1:05:25
balls, very similar to gongs actually.
1:05:27
And one of the things which the practitioner did as we were lying
1:05:32
there, was with a tuning fork coming around and then putting the tuning fork.
1:05:40
To the skin at the frequency of the bowl.
1:05:46
And I, what I found extraordinary about that was that I didn't experience it
1:05:51
as like a vibration or a buzzing or a tickling or something that you'd,
1:05:55
you'd expect I experienced it as color.
1:05:58
Mm-hmm.
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And
1:06:02
deep sense of peace.
1:06:03
And I was actually there with my son.
1:06:05
I was there with Rowan sc you know who's Yeah.
1:06:08
Okay.
1:06:08
My whole story really?
1:06:09
Yeah.
1:06:09
Yeah.
1:06:09
We were there
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Rupert Isaacson: together and he'd been actually helping me
1:06:12
with a, an autism training.
1:06:14
You know, he often comes on the trainings now and helps explain
1:06:17
autism from the inside to people.
1:06:20
And to be going through that experience with him was lovely.
1:06:23
And actually that, that.
1:06:24
What you just said brings me sort of to the next thing, which is I think
1:06:27
some people will be listening saying, oh, well, does that mean I have to
1:06:30
do a psychotropic substance in order to begin to access these states?
1:06:35
And of course the answer is no.
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No.
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All of my early experiences with those ulcer state of consciousness
1:06:43
as healing have been with cultures where those plants just don't grow.
1:06:49
So for example, in the Kalahari, in southern Africa,
1:06:53
there are no psychotropics.
1:06:55
So the healers dance themselves into trance but then are incredibly effective
1:07:02
whether they are healing or whether they're contacting ancestor spirits for
1:07:07
answers to a dilemma or whether they are, whether it's hunting magic, and they just
1:07:11
need to know where the lions are so they can go the other way the next day, or,
1:07:15
or, or, of course, those who know my story know that it, it even got tied up with the
1:07:20
human rights and political struggle that the son were in, that I was helping with.
1:07:26
Where I realized that what was happening was the lawyers that we
1:07:30
were hiring for them because they've been kicked off their land illegally
1:07:36
to make way for diamond mines.
1:07:39
Were going talking to the.
1:07:42
Community who would then go and talk to their healers, who would then go into
1:07:45
trance and go into the spirit world, come back with a series of instructions, tell
1:07:49
that to the community, who would then tell that to the lawyers, and then that
1:07:51
would be the strategy for the courtroom.
1:07:55
But the lawyers had no idea that they were being directed from the spirit world.
1:07:59
And when I realized that that was going on, I, oh my gosh, I
1:08:02
can never tell these guys this.
1:08:03
'cause what?
1:08:03
It'll put them off their game.
1:08:05
But what happened was that, you know, us with the measly, you know,
1:08:07
a hundred thousand that we managed to raise up against DeBeers Diamonds.
1:08:15
The Bushman won
1:08:19
the largest land claim in African history, and then several more after
1:08:24
that and did indeed get to go home and did indeed see the whole process
1:08:29
through no psychotropics involved.
1:08:33
Then a few years ago, I was going through a rather difficult.
1:08:38
Period.
1:08:38
And I was experiencing a lot of fear and it was beginning to take over.
1:08:44
And I was with a healer I know in the Americas who
1:08:48
heals in the Lakota tradition.
1:08:50
And there they do use a psychotropic, they use peyote which is partly,
1:08:56
you know, dimethyltryptamine, DMT, strongest hallucinogen known to man.
1:09:01
And he said, Rupert, I can just see we were in a sweat lodge.
1:09:04
And I'd done that before, sweating through.
1:09:06
He said, I can see you need medicine, you know?
1:09:09
And I was like, no, I do.
1:09:10
The last thing I need right now is I'm just clinging onto
1:09:13
my sanity by my fingernails.
1:09:14
The last thing I need is some kind of psychotropic drug is ripper.
1:09:17
How long have you known me?
1:09:18
You know, do you feel I'm a professional or not?
1:09:21
Good?
1:09:21
Fine.
1:09:23
You know, so he says, I'll give you, you know, the dosage
1:09:26
I think that you should have.
1:09:27
And what was so interesting was I.
1:09:29
After a while, I became aware of like a little red laser that
1:09:33
you might see in a PowerPoint.
1:09:34
Mm-hmm.
1:09:35
Going through my body and stopping at areas where I had stiffness and pain.
1:09:39
Oh.
1:09:39
And it would go b
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beep, and then it would move on and the pain would, at that place would be gone.
1:09:46
And then a certain point it crossed into my brain and it
1:09:50
started going around my brain.
1:09:51
And everywhere it was finding fear and anxiety.
1:09:54
It would stop and go B,
1:09:58
you know, and it would be gone.
1:10:00
And like it was finding, you know, cortisol scarring effectively from
1:10:04
stress and taking that away, which we know oxytocin can do naturally, but this
1:10:09
was happening very, very, very quickly.
1:10:12
And I remember thinking, well, this is great, but you know, the drug's gonna
1:10:15
wear off and then it will all come back.
1:10:17
But it never did.
1:10:18
The healing was real and lasting.
1:10:23
But the reason I'm telling that story and then the stories from.
1:10:28
Previously when no medicine was involved is, I think, speaking to your
1:10:36
point where you've now been four years letting, let's say the plant medicine
1:10:43
because MDMA is effectively a plant derivative or, or you know, synthesize
1:10:50
drugs are effectively plant derivatives.
1:10:53
And now you're finding, oh, actually I no longer need that to access.
1:10:59
Right.
1:11:00
The, and you know, and even though it doesn't mean I'm gonna reject it, I
1:11:03
will still continue to do those things, but I know it, it's done its job
1:11:07
for having provided me the, the, the way through the window, if you like.
1:11:11
Would you say that that's
1:11:12
Ralf Daab: true?
1:11:13
Yeah, exactly.
1:11:14
Exactly.
1:11:14
It goes faster.
1:11:15
I mean, there are different ways to, and everybody can find, they should
1:11:18
find their own own way to, to get there.
1:11:21
It's just a little faster, I would say, you know, it's.
1:11:26
You can do it like one day, basically a journey.
1:11:29
And when you do other things, you have to train it, you have to
1:11:31
like, yeah, really get into it.
1:11:33
It can take hours or like weeks, decades or decades, you know, you could get
1:11:38
there, but it takes a long, longer time.
1:11:40
So with, with MA or maybe other things like mushrooms.
1:11:44
And so it, it gets faster because, you know, there's nothing you can do.
1:11:47
You just, it's gonna act on the way it's gonna happen that way.
1:11:50
Yeah, right.
1:11:51
So, it's basically, you know, just to bring the body to, to
1:11:58
produce more dopamine, you know, or certainly, you know, so, but yeah.
1:12:03
But a lot of people are afraid or they're like don't want to take
1:12:06
drugs, you know, of course, you know, maybe self-control, whatever.
1:12:10
And they always say like, you know, drugs, what is drugs?
1:12:13
You know, like medicine is, it's all drugs and it's as a therapy, it, it helps.
1:12:20
I mean, like, it's, it's proven, you know?
1:12:21
So, post-traumatic traumas.
1:12:23
You know, in other countries like Australia, it's legal now they, they
1:12:27
do it and they're working on it.
1:12:28
I think also in the u in US and even in Europe.
1:12:31
So it takes some years, but then it will be, for therapy, it will be legalized.
1:12:37
MDMA, right?
1:12:38
MDMA.
1:12:38
Yeah.
1:12:39
MDA.
1:12:39
And of course it used to be.
1:12:40
Used to be, used to be.
1:12:42
So, yeah.
1:12:43
But there are different ways and everybody can find their, their own way.
1:12:46
And it should be, it is no dogma.
1:12:48
It's no dogma to say you have to do this to get there, you know, so.
1:12:51
Right.
1:12:52
Rupert Isaacson: It, it's also interesting that you talk about Kundalini, because
1:12:54
the Bushman have a, a similar idea, you know, Kundalini's supposed to reside
1:13:00
at the base of your spine, right?
1:13:01
Mm-hmm.
1:13:01
And it's a life force, a sexual energy that you can begin to manipulate the
1:13:06
Bushman colic mum and forward slash.
1:13:11
The forward slash is that click that, and mum is one of those untranslatable words,
1:13:18
which it can mean power, this type of life force wisdom can mean many things.
1:13:25
But they, what they do is they over years of training, learn how to
1:13:30
boil the, in their stomach, bring it into their stomach and boil it.
1:13:35
And the dance does this, and you'll see them get incredibly hot.
1:13:40
Wow.
1:13:40
And if you touch them, they're incredibly hot, but they'll even, they'll try
1:13:43
to cool themselves in the fire.
1:13:46
So they'll actually take swallow coals.
1:13:48
I've seen that many times.
1:13:49
Or lay in the fire, come up, unburned.
1:13:52
Very good.
1:13:52
And then when the womb is boiling, which is very painful in the
1:13:57
early stages, when they're younger healers, they'll often faint or.
1:14:00
Sometimes they would say die and have to be brought back.
1:14:03
But as they get older, they learn how to ride it.
1:14:06
And then this is when they can not just be in the spirit world and do
1:14:10
what they need to do, but they can pull things out of people or put
1:14:13
things into people that are needed.
1:14:15
So it's clear that these things are as old as humanity because
1:14:20
the San are, the bushman are the oldest known culture on the planet.
1:14:25
And so the quest for the altered state of consciousness seems to be
1:14:30
built into our DNA that to play with consciousness, which is why I think in
1:14:37
the past we've made, had the arrogance as humans to think we are the only ones
1:14:40
with consciousness, which now I think we're realizing clearly isn't true.
1:14:44
But because we're conscious of our consciousness in a certain way,
1:14:47
if you like, we're self-conscious, we have a great desire to.
1:14:53
Communicate with it, I think, and through it, and use it as medicine
1:14:57
and answer dilemmas through it.
1:14:59
And I as you say, whichever way you do it there is no one
1:15:04
way but to be on that path.
1:15:08
Seems to be important for human happiness.
1:15:11
Yeah.
1:15:11
Would you not
1:15:11
Ralf Daab: agree?
1:15:12
Yeah, absolutely.
1:15:12
Yes.
1:15:13
You on certain, like one path to your own path, and then be curious, you
1:15:17
know, like go there and there, try things out, you know, like what I did
1:15:21
like, following like some people like a podcast and then say, okay, that's good.
1:15:25
I, I, you know, now I follow somebody else or read other books
1:15:28
or do a seminar on meditation or the gong meditation, for example.
1:15:33
Just try things out, you know, and then you feel like when your body, or when
1:15:36
your consciousness, or when your spirit like reacts and what, what's best for you.
1:15:41
So, and like being on a path that's the most beautiful thing.
1:15:45
It is like, and to, to, to experience new things.
1:15:48
To meet new people.
1:15:49
And it is, it is kind of like you, you meet other people, you meet
1:15:52
people who are also on their path.
1:15:54
You know, you, you connect very fast.
1:15:57
And and that's, that's the great thing about you know, being on the.
1:16:02
On the journey.
1:16:03
On the path.
1:16:03
And but as I said in the beginning is you have to let things go, you know?
1:16:07
That's the other part I I seeing or meeting a lot of people.
1:16:10
They do a lot of things.
1:16:11
They, they, they go every, every day or three, four days a week, they go
1:16:17
to yoga and they do a lot things, but they still in the same environment.
1:16:21
There's still same jobs.
1:16:22
They're stressed, you know, they, they, they, you know, of course it's difficult
1:16:25
to leave everything, but kind of like you have to like, kind of, you know, let
1:16:29
things go in order to receive new things.
1:16:33
You have to make room for new things.
1:16:35
Rupert Isaacson: It seems though that that process is almost built in.
1:16:38
And I think a lot of people find this rather alarmingly, you know, when they
1:16:43
first get involved in this type of way of life, things can fall apart very
1:16:51
fast and that can be very traumatic at first, even though they may, they
1:16:55
are things that actually you look.
1:16:58
Back over a couple of years and you go, oh yeah, actually
1:17:00
I needed to let all that go.
1:17:02
And I probably would've just clung onto it forever if it hadn't, if I
1:17:07
hadn't been literally picked up by a pair of forceps and placed over there.
1:17:11
However painful that was, and I'd say it seems that you've gone
1:17:13
through something like this rather recently, because when I first met
1:17:16
you you were, you know, living in vs.
1:17:21
Barden, which is
1:17:23
a nice town, it's a wealthy town nice apartment still very much in the
1:17:28
publishing life, et cetera, et cetera.
1:17:33
Then you went through something of disruption about six months ago.
1:17:40
And I remember and, and now you're living in this, in an apartment in this castle.
1:17:47
Rather, rather romantic in a very, very beautiful part of the countryside in
1:17:52
Germany that I know where you are and I know how beautiful the nature is there.
1:17:56
And it's interesting you've been sending me these pictures on WhatsApp of, of the
1:18:01
nature, and I'm like, ah, he's found it.
1:18:03
'cause one of the things which I was noticing through your story and they, you
1:18:06
know, when, whether it was you working for Chen or you as the Persian person
1:18:13
showing people beauty, the, this is all about human beauty and things that
1:18:18
were made by humans and you know, Chen also fashion and models and that kind
1:18:25
of physical human beauty and as well.
1:18:28
But what I feel is often missing from all of that is nature.
1:18:33
And of course the greatest beauty, of course, is always nature.
1:18:35
And that's why we, we react and respond to beauty in the way that we do because
1:18:39
nature is beautiful and nature is what we're supposed to be surrounded by.
1:18:43
And people actually, people are very beautiful.
1:18:45
Inside from doubt.
1:18:46
We're a very loving species.
1:18:47
Right.
1:18:48
You know, it's, it, so it's interesting to me that finally,
1:18:51
you know, in the last six months, there you are in nature by another.
1:18:56
Mm-hmm.
1:18:56
Mm-hmm.
1:18:57
You know, you, those of you who are watching this on YouTube, you, it looks
1:19:01
like, well obviously we're, we're, we're talking across by Zoom in Ralph's
1:19:04
apartment within that castle, but I know what's outside that window and I know
1:19:09
that you're out in that nature now and you've really simplified, you've sort of
1:19:12
gone from, you know, home ownership and real estate and all of that stuff now
1:19:18
to saying, no, no, I'm gonna minimalize and I'm just gonna have this small
1:19:23
apartment to spend most of my time in nature while still working as a publisher.
1:19:27
Ralf Daab: Right.
1:19:27
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's interesting to me,
1:19:29
Ralf Daab: and one thing is also like, talking about, you know, when
1:19:32
I said the, the, the, the salt in the Persia, you know, show the beauty.
1:19:36
What I realize now, it's not only it was back then or still is sometimes of
1:19:42
course with the books to show the beauty outside, but it's also like, my purpose
1:19:46
is also to show the beauty in people.
1:19:48
Mm-hmm.
1:19:48
To help people to go on their path to, to develop or show their own beauty.
1:19:54
And that's also, you know, one thing I'm gonna do in the future to help
1:19:58
people to show their own beauty because every person is beautiful.
1:20:06
So, and then how.
1:20:09
Well, but yeah, with seminars, with you know, I did like, coaching
1:20:14
as a neuroscience coaching.
1:20:15
I have like a certificate, whatever you call it, you know, and then
1:20:18
I did meditation, spiritual, and I'm doing a kundalini practicing.
1:20:23
So things like put it together, but also my.
1:20:27
Strength is what I can do really good is like bring people together.
1:20:31
Mm-hmm.
1:20:31
So, you know, the funny thing is, like a year ago I was still in Spartan,
1:20:35
I was in rgo, which is beautiful, you know, the wine area with wines.
1:20:40
And so, and I was standing there and said like, ah, well this is beautiful.
1:20:43
This is beautiful and, and good energy for me.
1:20:45
And it's like I would live in a place like here, like where you can live,
1:20:49
but also where you can do seminars, you know, like a house or so.
1:20:53
And now I'm no longer at Beach Spot, but I'm here now and I have, I found a place.
1:20:58
It's incredible.
1:20:59
Rupert Isaacson: Can you, can you do seminars now
1:21:01
Ralf Daab: in Yes.
1:21:02
This, here they're, they event place, they're weddings are here,
1:21:06
seminars here, there's a big space terrace outside Nature.
1:21:11
It is a perfect place for seminars.
1:21:13
So we can, we start doing like in, in four weeks, we have a seminar here I'm
1:21:17
organizing, so I bring people here.
1:21:19
That's, you know, organized things, festivals.
1:21:21
I wanted to do a festival here, music festival overlooking
1:21:24
here, the Rhine Valley.
1:21:25
It's, it's just incredible.
1:21:27
So can you imagine like a year before, like last year or,
1:21:33
or it was more than a year.
1:21:34
I mean, last year was, and I had this vision and now I'm here and I
1:21:39
can do it, and it's, it's happening.
1:21:42
So it's not, you know, I had to, had to leave things in v spot and,
1:21:47
you know, also the relationship.
1:21:50
But now everything can come and can, you know, organize.
1:21:57
I'm not looking for a relationship now, but never know.
1:21:59
But everything is can happen now.
1:22:01
So.
1:22:03
And you're still
1:22:03
Rupert Isaacson: publishing?
1:22:04
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:22:05
Yeah.
1:22:06
Rupert Isaacson: So listen, if people want to read your book there you are again.
1:22:10
Yeah.
1:22:10
How do they find it?
1:22:11
Ralf Daab: Well, there's a, there's a website.
1:22:13
It's called books.buy.
1:22:15
It's a print on demand website.
1:22:16
Mm-hmm.
1:22:17
Website.
1:22:17
It's actually based, the company's based in Australia, but it's all over the world.
1:22:21
And they can place order print on demand.
1:22:24
So it's free shipping worldwide.
1:22:27
You can place the order, you can order the book and they find a
1:22:31
printer near you, like someplace.
1:22:33
Let's say when you order here, maybe in Germany or France, and they ship it to
1:22:37
you free, free shipping, free of charge.
1:22:40
It's, I think it's 20.
1:22:41
And that's in
1:22:41
Rupert Isaacson: English, obviously.
1:22:42
That's the English.
1:22:42
Yeah, of course in English.
1:22:44
There you are again.
1:22:45
English book, that book.
1:22:46
Stop by.
1:22:46
So people go to book, book start by slash
1:22:49
Ralf Daab: HHOL.
1:22:50
You can put it maybe slash HOL living.
1:22:54
HOL.
1:22:54
Yeah.
1:22:57
Rupert Isaacson: Great.
1:22:58
And then they would look for, there you are again.
1:23:01
Ralf Daab: Right.
1:23:01
It's on there.
1:23:02
You can.
1:23:03
They can buy it, they free shipping and then they can read.
1:23:06
So yeah.
1:23:07
And
1:23:07
Rupert Isaacson: if people want to reach, reach out to you and want to be,
1:23:11
you know, well, they, they could send email questions about their own healing
1:23:13
or wanna be part of your seminars or come visit Yeah, they could contact
1:23:17
Ralf Daab: me.
1:23:17
Yeah.
1:23:17
How do they contact you?
1:23:19
Well, there's by email's best like ralph@highonliving.com.
1:23:24
Rupert Isaacson: So R-A-L-P-H Ralph, no FF with an F right in the German way.
1:23:28
RALF at
1:23:31
Ralf Daab: Hi.
1:23:32
Hi.
1:23:32
On living.com.
1:23:34
High on
1:23:35
Rupert Isaacson: living.com.
1:23:37
Ralph, with an F.
1:23:39
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:23:39
Rupert Isaacson: High on living.com,
1:23:41
right?
1:23:42
Yeah.
1:23:42
Reach, reach out to Ralph listeners.
1:23:44
He's, he's, yeah, please do.
1:23:45
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:23:46
Yeah.
1:23:46
And come up here like, if you visit Germany or near
1:23:50
Cologne, you cannot up be here.
1:23:51
Yeah.
1:23:51
Hiking.
1:23:52
It's, it's a beautiful place.
1:23:54
Rupert Isaacson: Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run up the a three.
1:23:56
Yeah.
1:23:57
Come, come here.
1:23:58
Right.
1:23:58
Take exit bat.
1:24:00
Ralf Daab: Bat exit.
1:24:01
Lin.
1:24:02
You're right here.
1:24:02
So bad Ho.
1:24:03
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, I know exactly where that is.
1:24:04
We help someone buy a horse from Bad Ho.
1:24:07
Yeah, it's right here.
1:24:07
Great horse.
1:24:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:24:10
Ralf Daab: They're up here.
1:24:11
They're 50 horses up here, so see them in the morning when they come out the stalls
1:24:15
and like run and run and, and I, yeah.
1:24:18
Well, maybe we'll do something with
1:24:20
Rupert Isaacson: horses together then.
1:24:21
Yeah.
1:24:21
Yeah.
1:24:21
It should come.
1:24:22
That's, it's really wonderful.
1:24:23
Okay.
1:24:25
All right, Rael, thank you so much.
1:24:27
Well, thank you, Rupert.
1:24:29
It's been a, been a, yeah.
1:24:31
Wonderful journey.
1:24:32
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:24:32
Great, great.
1:24:35
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
1:24:35
So any last words of wisdom before I click off the record?
1:24:42
Ralf Daab: Last word of wisdom.
1:24:43
Well, I would say it's all energy.
1:24:46
It's Albert Einstein.
1:24:47
It is all energy.
1:24:48
And that's what I feel now.
1:24:50
I.
1:24:51
Going through all these journeys for the last four years is
1:24:53
basically even with my plan.
1:24:55
My plan, when you see it here, it was like this tall, basically in, in this button.
1:25:00
It didn't grow, but it didn't die.
1:25:02
But here it's growing like fast.
1:25:04
I went a beautiful, so I know I'm at the right place because
1:25:08
plant is feeling good, you know?
1:25:10
Rupert Isaacson: So it's all energy.
1:25:12
Ralf Daab: Yeah, it's
1:25:12
Rupert Isaacson: all energy.
1:25:15
That's right.
1:25:15
As Nicola Tesla said, also, I think if you want to know the secrets of the
1:25:19
universe, you have to think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.
1:25:24
Yeah, exactly.
1:25:25
And it seems that, well, I guess every electronic device we use goes back to him.
1:25:29
So Yeah.
1:25:31
Clearly these guys had, you know, yeah.
1:25:36
Had something.
1:25:37
All right, well, all right.
1:25:38
Parallel universes vertical timelines.
1:25:43
Medicines to help us radically shift our viewpoints.
1:25:46
By the way, that, that's something I, I, I wanted just to throw in there.
1:25:51
I was looking at the neuroscience of of psychotropics and it does seem that
1:25:56
what happens with people is massively, massively augmented neuron new neural
1:26:05
pathway development when these happen.
1:26:07
'cause of course it's also new, similar to what you get with novel movement,
1:26:10
novel ways of moving, BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor, which
1:26:15
normally you only get through movement.
1:26:17
It seems that this can be massively boosted with the use of psychotropics.
1:26:21
And I guess our ancestors must have known this.
1:26:24
Yeah, of course.
1:26:25
Yeah.
1:26:25
Maybe that's that thing of allowing us to see mm-hmm.
1:26:28
What we can't normally see.
1:26:30
So there you are again.
1:26:32
There you go.
1:26:33
Buy it from books.
1:26:33
Stop by slash HOL.
1:26:37
Give Ralph an email at rlf@highonliving.com.
1:26:42
Yeah, I guess we'll see you on the next looking forward.
1:26:45
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
1:26:47
Yeah.
1:26:47
See you soon.
1:26:48
Thank you for coming on.
1:26:50
Thank you for having me.
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Welcome back.
1:28:10
I have my friend Ralph Daab from Krn Cologne in Germany, uh, on today.
1:28:18
He's a publisher and has made his living his own way, um, in many
1:28:26
countries in the world, um, and has come to a point where the material has
1:28:33
sort of given way to the spiritual.
1:28:36
Um, and he's a man who's very much explored how as a westerner you can
1:28:44
find your way to the shamanic, to the altered states of consciousness
1:28:47
that, um, open the window to the more indigenous way of looking at
1:28:54
things while still being in the West.
1:28:56
And I think that that's a very useful thing for many of us because
1:28:59
as those of you listeners who know my background, spending a
1:29:03
lot of time, for example, in the.
1:29:05
Kalahari in Africa with hunting and gathering peoples down there, it can
1:29:11
be almost misleading, um, to think, oh, well, that kind of life, that deeply
1:29:21
spiritual life, that very connected life, that's something different that
1:29:23
happens down there in those other places with people who haven't sort of gone
1:29:27
through the Judeo-Christian thing that we've all gone through, et cetera.
1:29:30
I can't really do that because I'm up here in the western economy and, you
1:29:35
know, stuck in that rap race and so on.
1:29:37
Of course, we all know that's not really true, but I think it's really
1:29:40
good to draw our attention sometimes to how people doing it right here,
1:29:45
right now in our culture and, um, particularly, you know, how is that.
1:29:50
Is that is, you know, can that be related to business?
1:29:52
Can that be related to how do you make a living when you, when you decide, okay,
1:29:57
you know, I, I want to begin to explore these other ways of looking at the world,
1:30:01
but I still have to kind of keep one foot pretty firmly in the, in the here
1:30:06
and now and the economy and all of that.
1:30:08
Now do I dance that dance?
1:30:09
And I think somebody like Ralph, um, has quite a lot of,
1:30:13
uh, insights for us that way.
1:30:15
So I thought I'd have him on the show for live free, ride free.
1:30:17
'cause he's a man who definitely does live free and ride free
1:30:19
and, uh, we can learn from him.
1:30:21
So Ralph, thank you for coming on the show.
1:30:23
Yeah.
1:30:24
Hi Ruper.
1:30:24
Thank you for having me.
1:30:26
It's a great pleasure to be on the shower.
1:30:29
So do you want to tell listeners a little bit about how we met?
1:30:33
Because I think those circumstances.
1:30:37
Are quite helpful to drawing people's attention to sort of
1:30:40
always keep your eyes open.
1:30:41
You never quite know who's around the next corner type thing.
1:30:46
You wanna have a right.
1:30:46
Um,
1:30:47
Ralf Daab: yeah, it was, it is a great story.
1:30:49
I always tell people, um, I was living in, back then, it was like two years
1:30:54
ago in Germany where we live now.
1:30:57
Yeah.
1:30:57
We born in Germany.
1:30:58
So I was walking the dock, you know, up from the hill and then, um, you know,
1:31:02
passed by a, a horse place basically.
1:31:05
And I was talking to Leon, your wife first, and then the dogs started playing.
1:31:11
And then, so we started talking and so, oh, where are you from?
1:31:14
What are you doing?
1:31:14
And then, uh, I said like, you know, and then Leanna said, well, that
1:31:18
you guys lived in, in the US in Texas, and then you moved back here.
1:31:22
And I said, I, I lived in New York for some years and I also.
1:31:26
Was in Texas many times.
1:31:28
And then, you know, I'm a publisher.
1:31:29
And I'm publisher.
1:31:30
And then he said, oh, my husband Rupert, he's also like, he, he's an author.
1:31:34
He published books, New York Times bestseller books.
1:31:36
So, and then you walked up and then we met and we just connected right
1:31:41
away, you know, and then we started talking and, you know, things like,
1:31:44
uh, it was, um, incredible because, uh, yeah, it was, it's, it's no
1:31:50
Rupert Isaacson: coincidence.
1:31:50
It was like, uh, well, what was interesting to me about that.
1:31:55
First meeting, um, and you gotta just picture listeners,
1:31:59
you know, I'm picking poo.
1:32:01
That's what we always do every morning.
1:32:02
Yeah.
1:32:02
Right.
1:32:02
With the horses and, but people walk by, there's a public footpath that
1:32:05
goes, you know, past the, the, the sort of main area where the horses are.
1:32:09
'cause they all live outside and you know, people walk their dogs.
1:32:12
You sometimes say hi, whatever.
1:32:15
Um, but relatively few people actually stop and say hi.
1:32:18
Um, you know, it's, it's Germany after.
1:32:21
So it's like, first thing is, well that's kind of unusual.
1:32:23
Look, here's a bloke who's actually kind of cheerful and, you know, um, friendly.
1:32:29
Um, and then, um, but very quickly the conversation went to,
1:32:34
well, you know, what do you do?
1:32:35
Okay, I'm publisher, I'm a writer.
1:32:36
Interesting, interesting.
1:32:37
Similar worlds.
1:32:39
And then of course I told you a little bit about what I publish books on.
1:32:44
And then you say, oh, that's interesting because, you know,
1:32:46
I do these journeys, right?
1:32:49
And I said, oh, what kind of journeys?
1:32:51
And you said, well, like MDMA.
1:32:54
Right.
1:32:54
And what was interesting to me about that was, um, a lot of my friends and
1:33:02
contemporaries, particularly in the USA in the last, I'd say five years, have
1:33:08
begun to, uh, experiment with looking at altered states of consciousness through
1:33:15
journeys with MDMA, which some people call ecstasy, but it's not the ecstasy,
1:33:19
of course, that you buy in a nightclub.
1:33:21
It's the pure form that used to be prescribed, uh, way back in the day
1:33:26
by psychologists and psychiatrists who warring married couples because it
1:33:31
made them listen to each other nicely.
1:33:33
Um, brings out the sort of compassion in people and, um, si uh, psilocybin,
1:33:38
which is of course, um, mushrooms.
1:33:40
And, um, this has been a growing field, um, among.
1:33:47
I think many people in the kind of middle class of the west over the last
1:33:54
decade or so, because I think there has been this growing awareness that
1:33:59
the material life needs to be balanced with the spiritual, but the church no
1:34:04
longer offers that never really did.
1:34:06
I mean, mystic Christianity can, but not the church, not witch
1:34:10
burning and Spanish inquisition.
1:34:12
Um, and so where to look, where to look.
1:34:16
And so of course people began to look naturally to the Eastern philosophies
1:34:21
because with the British Empire, that kind of really opened up that
1:34:25
route from India through England and then out to the rest of the West.
1:34:29
Um, and that sort of, those meditations and Buddhism and
1:34:33
Hinduism and stuff like that began to have a big influence on Western
1:34:39
society, but it was still perceived as very much a thing from outside.
1:34:43
I think from over there.
1:34:44
People like me, of course, going down and spending time with a lot of
1:34:47
indigenous folk, um, bringing that back.
1:34:50
But again, that's still being, well, that's something other,
1:34:52
that's something over there.
1:34:53
That's not us.
1:34:54
That's not where we are.
1:34:55
How do we, and so I think it's very logical that people like you, Ralph
1:35:00
and other friends of mine, began to look to the use of psychotropics.
1:35:06
Um, in the same way that of course people are undergoing healing ceremonies in,
1:35:12
you know, the Amazon or areas where, or Siberia, areas where, um, native
1:35:19
America, where psychotropic plants grow and have always been used for healing.
1:35:27
Um, it's a very logical thing and I think there's a reach back even through
1:35:30
the European past there, because certainly, um, in the pre-Christian
1:35:36
era, people used fly aic mushroom.
1:35:39
They used psilocybin, what we would call magic mushrooms and ver you know,
1:35:43
datura, um, nightshade, um, certain things with hemlock or to achieve altered
1:35:49
state of consciousness in order to, um, you know, connect with the divine.
1:35:53
And that of course was rooted out of our culture by the church.
1:35:57
So there you are, and we're having that conversation and I'm thinking, well, this
1:36:01
is sort of interesting on the Shamanic.
1:36:03
Um, and then when I began to do this uh, uh, podcast, I thought, well, actually
1:36:10
Ralph would be a very good guy to get on this show because he is really
1:36:14
an entrepreneur and you run your own publishing stuff, but you've also, you
1:36:18
know, helped larger publishing companies.
1:36:21
And that's something, but you, you also now thread this very spiritual path.
1:36:25
That's Ry ride free.
1:36:27
Sort of in a nutshell, would you take us through your journey a little bit,
1:36:32
where you began as a boy in corn growing up, sort of, you know, in the seventies
1:36:39
and eighties in that, you know, post-war booming economy, having fun, it takes
1:36:45
you off to other parts of the world, just and then how you get into publishing.
1:36:50
Just get, take us through that early stage in your life, how, how you
1:36:52
get going on your live free, ride free, um, sort of initial, yeah.
1:36:57
Okay.
1:36:58
Yeah,
1:36:59
Ralf Daab: I
1:36:59
Rupert Isaacson: did
1:36:59
Ralf Daab: that.
1:36:59
Um, so I grew up in Cologne and, um,
1:37:02
Rupert Isaacson: you know, I was, um, which is a bit of a party town, right?
1:37:06
It's a
1:37:06
Ralf Daab: fun town.
1:37:06
Well, it's a carnival, you know, the people are very open-minded and friendly.
1:37:10
You know, my, my parents, my mother had a, a restaurant, you know, but a lot
1:37:14
of people always came like every day.
1:37:16
So it was always, yeah, I grew up in like a, in, uh, yeah, a good, uh.
1:37:21
Environment, I would say, you know, so, and I played soccer,
1:37:24
football, you know, when I was young.
1:37:26
And uh, I was pretty good.
1:37:27
So I played for the s fone, uh, in the junior.
1:37:30
What is, just tell us, oh, that's, SCON is one of the best
1:37:34
club football club in the world.
1:37:36
We just came up, you went up to, did you play Football Con?
1:37:39
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, right.
1:37:40
But in the junior team, you know, so for some years
1:37:43
Ralf Daab: and that was a
1:37:43
Rupert Isaacson: great time.
1:37:44
That's something that's like playing for Arsenal or, or Tottenham.
1:37:46
Yeah, yeah,
1:37:46
Ralf Daab: yeah, exactly.
1:37:47
Exactly.
1:37:47
Yeah.
1:37:47
So that was a great time when it was 14 years old, 15 years, 16,
1:37:51
you know, so playing, like we, we played tournaments in, in, in Paris,
1:37:55
in, in Brussels, in, in Zurich or, you know, so it was always good.
1:37:59
Like I had go to the director of the school and said like, I have to go for,
1:38:04
you know, a week for tournament, whatever.
1:38:06
So it was a good time.
1:38:07
I was, um, and then, um, I was, you know, I was obviously going to
1:38:11
school and then I started university and, uh, but I knew right away
1:38:15
from be, it's not really what I.
1:38:17
Whatever you want to do.
1:38:18
Like, uh, so I would start, like my mom, I also did, um, back then,
1:38:24
so I would start like a friend, he was importing like t-shirts from
1:38:27
California, like big Wednesdays.
1:38:29
So I was like, oh, they cool t-shirts, exert shirts, you know, I would start
1:38:31
selling them out of the car, you know, in the school and so and so on.
1:38:35
And then other things like a hot tuna from Australia, like a
1:38:38
brand, like really cool brand.
1:38:40
Uh, so, and I said, let's open up a store.
1:38:42
Let's, so like when I was 22, I opened my first, uh, fashion store in Cologne.
1:38:48
And then, um, you know, coincidence, somebody walked in and said like, yeah,
1:38:52
I need like, you know, 20 jackets.
1:38:54
And it turned out, turns out that he was from EMI, Electrola from
1:38:57
the record company, and it was for Tina Turner's concert, uh, like
1:39:01
tour, you know, so it was got into the merchandise business for that.
1:39:06
So I was always like doing things, you know, like, um, um, and then,
1:39:11
uh, a friend of mine, I was in New York, first time in 1991.
1:39:15
What sent you to New York?
1:39:17
Just pleasure.
1:39:18
It was just Okay.
1:39:19
It was before business.
1:39:20
Yeah.
1:39:20
Before business was like with a friend that went to New York for
1:39:23
the first time and another friend, he was also in New York and he was
1:39:26
working for hin for the publisher.
1:39:29
Tian
1:39:29
Rupert Isaacson: is a very famous, uh, German publishing house.
1:39:31
Right.
1:39:32
Basic Cologne.
1:39:33
But now the world, you know, biggest art book publisher in the world.
1:39:36
Yeah.
1:39:36
You've, you, you've seen them listeners, even if you don't know them, they're
1:39:40
these amazing German art and fashion.
1:39:43
Right.
1:39:44
Photographic.
1:39:44
They have
1:39:45
Ralf Daab: stores all over.
1:39:46
Yeah, the world basically.
1:39:47
So back then in the nineties, and then, then, then he said like, ah, you know,
1:39:50
we are looking for somebody who could do like sales and marketing in the us.
1:39:53
Uh, are you interested?
1:39:54
And I said, well, yes, of course.
1:39:56
You know.
1:39:57
So I started working for Tchen as a sales manager for the US and um, like first
1:40:02
year, two years traveling from Cologne to the US like, you know, visiting, like,
1:40:06
I don't know, first trip was 20 cities in like four weeks, you know, every day.
1:40:10
Another city.
1:40:10
So it was a great time.
1:40:12
And then I moved to New York in 1995, you know, and, um, moved there.
1:40:17
It was just for, for a year.
1:40:19
And then I stayed there total of like almost six years.
1:40:23
So setting up the office there and then, uh, all sales and
1:40:26
marketing, that was a great time.
1:40:28
It was like my early thirties.
1:40:29
So, um, yeah.
1:40:31
So it was, that's how I got into publishing, international publishing also.
1:40:36
And then I moved back and my son Lucas was born in New York.
1:40:40
And then, um.
1:40:41
We decided to go back to Cologne, and then I started my, of working for
1:40:45
another publisher for three years.
1:40:47
You know, um, I was responsible for setting up a program, so I
1:40:50
developed the whole, the book program and international distribution.
1:40:55
So, and then I decided to, uh, start my own publishing house in 2003.
1:41:02
And, um, yeah, so then we traveled a lot, you know, all over the place, like Asia
1:41:07
lots, uh, then us a lot, of course Europe.
1:41:11
And, um, yeah, so that was, uh, I was always in, in things
1:41:15
like, you know, what can you do?
1:41:17
Like, uh, develop new things.
1:41:19
I have so many ideas and, and, and, uh.
1:41:22
So, and then I, you know, got to a point where, uh, publishing in
1:41:27
general was, became difficult.
1:41:29
Uh, had problems with the banks, the investors and the whole thing.
1:41:32
And then, so at the end, uh, I had to close the company, basically file for
1:41:37
chapter 11, which is like insolvency.
1:41:39
And, um, yeah, it was a really tough time.
1:41:43
And then the marriage ended, uh, I was kinda lost, you know, that was
1:41:48
like, uh, 2000, where were we now?
1:41:50
Like, uh, uh, 64, 15, 16 round then, so about eight, nine years ago.
1:41:58
And so I was kind of lost and I said like, what can you do?
1:42:00
Like my life, you know, so, and I, yeah, I did like a photo exhibition, for example.
1:42:08
I had took some photos.
1:42:09
I did like an exhibition, and then I, I, I decided like, oh,
1:42:13
let's go back into publishing.
1:42:14
And, uh, so I started to, uh, to create books again.
1:42:19
But at the same time, I was always like, uh, looking for new things.
1:42:23
But, uh, so I, I got into the, um, meditation thing, so I was reading books,
1:42:31
listening to podcasts about meditation or why, why did you get into meditation?
1:42:34
Studying?
1:42:35
Yeah, because, yeah, because I was like, uh, kind of felt like I, I needed
1:42:40
to do something else, you know, like going out of like, like, you know, this
1:42:44
business world that the business thing or the life of like, you know, um.
1:42:50
Just traveling around and being like stressed and everything.
1:42:53
So, and then I started also doing sports again, and, uh, also mindfulness things.
1:42:59
You know, had you always
1:43:00
Rupert Isaacson: kind of in the back of your mind thought,
1:43:02
or that meditation thing?
1:43:04
I kind of want to get into that, but I'll, I'll do that later, you know, or
1:43:08
was it more sudden thing a more new thing?
1:43:10
No, no, it was always there, kind of, you know,
1:43:13
Ralf Daab: like, uh, you know, but, uh, it, it wasn't like, like every
1:43:17
day, but, um, I felt like, you know, I was at a point where I was, you
1:43:22
know, like really lost and it's the only thing I could, could help me.
1:43:25
Like, I could only help myself, you know?
1:43:27
So, and I, uh, and it was good.
1:43:30
So I, you know, did a love of sports again running and, um,
1:43:34
so I felt a little better.
1:43:35
And uh, and then it got to a point, like I was, you know, I talked to a
1:43:38
friend and then he told me about a seminar he went to, and he said like it
1:43:43
was the best thing he did in his life.
1:43:45
And then he told me everything about it.
1:43:46
And then.
1:43:48
I said, yeah, I wanna do this.
1:43:49
And that's how I got into my first journey of the MD May.
1:43:53
Um, yeah, that was, I
1:43:56
Rupert Isaacson: presume because you'd been living in New York, you know, you'd,
1:43:59
um, been in fashion, you'd been in sport, you'd been in publishing, recreational
1:44:05
drug use must have been something with which you were quite familiar.
1:44:09
I mean, I know I said No, not really.
1:44:11
No, no,
1:44:11
Ralf Daab: no, no.
1:44:12
Not really.
1:44:12
Rupert Isaacson: No.
1:44:13
No.
1:44:14
Um, so when, okay, because I remember for example, when I was in my
1:44:22
earliest twenties, um, this is back like 8,000 years ago, um, I
1:44:27
think before the invention of the wheel, um, I, um, tried MDMA, um.
1:44:38
At that point, it was still very pure.
1:44:41
It was before techno, before the raves, before all of that took off.
1:44:45
And so before it became a mass industry, that people then began to adulterate
1:44:48
it with speed and, you know, awful.
1:44:51
And so I, I tried it a few times in those early years and then very quickly gave
1:44:56
it up because it, it very quickly became adulterated with all sorts of stuff.
1:45:01
And you couldn't, at least at that stage in my life, access that pure form anymore.
1:45:07
But I do remember, um, breaking up with my first girlfriend.
1:45:14
Basically she was dumping me.
1:45:15
Um, while we both were on MDMA, which of course, as many listeners
1:45:22
may know, MDMA used to be prescribed by marriage counselors.
1:45:29
Before it was made illegal because it helped people to listen to
1:45:33
each other really compassionately and to tell the truth.
1:45:36
Right.
1:45:36
And so we broke up, you know, so kindly with each other, even
1:45:41
though my heart was broken.
1:45:43
And, uh, we remained friends, we're friends to this day.
1:45:45
It's very interesting.
1:45:46
Um, so, you know, when you told me about you doing these MDM majors,
1:45:53
I immediately made that assumption.
1:45:54
Oh, well he must have had, you know, some sort of, uh, previous history
1:45:59
with this, but you said No, not at all.
1:46:00
So this being something quite new for you, right.
1:46:05
What made you think Yeah.
1:46:06
Okay.
1:46:06
Well, that, that might be something then,
1:46:09
Ralf Daab: because a friend told me that what, what, you know, what he
1:46:12
experienced and, uh, told me that it's saved, that it's, you know, you know.
1:46:17
Uh, so I said like, okay, because I was really not really into drugs, you know, I
1:46:22
had joined, so, you know, of course then an alcohol, you know, wine and, and so
1:46:25
on, but not, not no drugs, you know, I was not never, I always said like, you know,
1:46:30
I can be, uh, fun without drugs, you know?
1:46:32
Mm-hmm.
1:46:32
So, um, but in this case I was like looking into this more the, as this
1:46:38
therapy than just like having fun with drugs or so, you know, and, uh, trusting
1:46:43
my friend and said like, oh, let's try it.
1:46:45
And then, um, and it was, uh, tell everybody it was the best thing
1:46:49
I did in my life, you know, so
1:46:52
Rupert Isaacson: well.
1:46:52
Right.
1:46:53
You know, often, um, you know, when people say, for example, go down to
1:46:56
the Amazon looking for healing, they'll often find themselves, uh, with a ero,
1:47:02
you know, a, a healer doing ayahuasca.
1:47:04
Um, yeah.
1:47:05
Which of course is a very, very strong hallucinogen.
1:47:07
Um.
1:47:08
But many people will report I, yes.
1:47:11
What I needed was a kind of radical way to break through an out of the worldview
1:47:20
that has been to some I've been stuck in.
1:47:24
And I needed kind of a radical change of environment, both physically
1:47:28
and mentally, emotionally, in order to get this other perspective.
1:47:33
Otherwise, I, I sort of couldn't break out of the, the rut that I was in.
1:47:37
Do you feel that that's what happened to you?
1:47:40
Yeah.
1:47:42
Ralf Daab: Yeah, exactly.
1:47:43
But it's also like after like the first time, it's like, it's like four years ago.
1:47:47
So, um, and it's a whole process, you know, I realized, you know, after
1:47:50
four years I did like many times different ways, you know, different
1:47:53
locations, you know, like I ended up like, you know, some places and.
1:47:58
Um, and also tried other things, you know, with mushrooms and, and so on.
1:48:03
And now after four years, I realize it's, it's not just the one, one journey,
1:48:08
you know, or, you know, even the, the weekend or so, it's a whole process.
1:48:13
It's like it changed.
1:48:14
That transformation is going on like forever, you know?
1:48:16
So it's like, but you, the thing is, like, you, you, I learned to
1:48:22
let things go, you know, like to now during these journeys, to, to look
1:48:27
at things, to, to, uh, have sometimes the same feeling again about things.
1:48:32
Even when I was a child, I, I could look at this, say,
1:48:35
oh yeah, that was not so bad.
1:48:37
Or that was so, and, and, and, and let go.
1:48:40
And, and now I realize that, that it's just part, it's just one part of it.
1:48:45
You know?
1:48:45
It's not like you do one journey MDMA or whatever it is, you know,
1:48:49
like, and, oh, you're healed now.
1:48:50
Oh, you changed my life now.
1:48:51
No, no, it's like.
1:48:53
To change your life or, you know, to go to, through a real transformation.
1:48:58
It's, it's, it's takes weeks and years and, and, and goes on, you know, like, no
1:49:02
Rupert Isaacson: doubt.
1:49:03
But you need that initial experience.
1:49:04
Initial experience to sort of
1:49:06
Ralf Daab: help leapfrog into that.
1:49:08
Yes, exactly.
1:49:09
And the initial experience is like to, to to, to become like
1:49:14
in different consciousness, you know, different perspectives.
1:49:18
And this is what I never had experienced before without that
1:49:22
drug, you know, without MDMA, uh, or without mushrooms, whatever.
1:49:27
But MDA is more like, uh, for me at least, it was like to, uh.
1:49:33
To see things from a different perspective.
1:49:35
Yeah.
1:49:36
Uh, every ev every time like really clear.
1:49:39
It's not like you're a, you're like sleeping or, so I was always
1:49:43
clear and I was, I've experienced stories, really stories.
1:49:48
I was in those stories in like 500 years ago in Persia.
1:49:51
I was in, in the universe.
1:49:53
I was an astronaut.
1:49:54
I was, and my soul was up there in, in the Big bang or whatever it is,
1:49:58
you know, like, and I said like, what?
1:50:00
It was such great stories and experiences and um, that changed my view of myself
1:50:09
and my surrounding my people around me.
1:50:12
So it's like all it is, it's like a kind of heart opener.
1:50:15
And then when you go that path like I did, um, you'll see
1:50:21
that, that your life change.
1:50:24
But it's like not, I.
1:50:27
You know, if you, you stay in your environment, if you stay
1:50:30
in your structure, you, you don't change really a lot.
1:50:33
So you have to let go.
1:50:35
And you have to realize, and you have to say, okay, if I, if a relationship
1:50:39
ends now, yeah, maybe it has to end now because without ending the
1:50:44
end of the relationship, you can cannot experience something new or
1:50:47
you move to a new place, you know, and it's all part of the journey.
1:50:51
Um, and that's, that's it all started four years ago with the MDMA and I,
1:50:56
I did many, many trips, many, uh, and I still do, uh, it's kind of like
1:51:02
sometimes I feel I don't need it anymore.
1:51:04
'cause, uh, it's like what your neuroscience would say, tell you,
1:51:08
it is like the neuro, they can adjust, uh, you know, things.
1:51:11
Um, and then you, you can get the same feeling or you can, I can change
1:51:15
my perspective now without taking anything because my neuron, they, they
1:51:21
experience, they can, they can, uh.
1:51:23
They can be in that same state.
1:51:25
So, and um, yeah, so for me it was like, it's a, it's a game changer.
1:51:32
Rupert Isaacson: It's, it's a life changer.
1:51:33
And, uh, in those early days when you were first taking these journeys, and I'm
1:51:38
gonna ask you to describe, you know, some of the journeys that stand out the most
1:51:44
and the insights you got from them, but in those early days when you were first
1:51:47
beginning with it, did you find it very difficult then to reintegrate yourself
1:51:50
back into, if you like, ordinary life, making a living business, picking up the
1:51:55
phone to people, striking deals, whatever?
1:51:57
Or did you actually find that?
1:51:59
No, it was actually much more of an effortless flow.
1:52:03
The first journeys
1:52:04
Ralf Daab: I, I remember was like, I, I was telling everybody now how great
1:52:07
it is, you know, it was like friends and family, and people are like, some
1:52:11
people on the street maybe say like, I, you know, this is so fantastic.
1:52:15
Everybody should do it, and everybody has to like, go on
1:52:18
trips and it's change everything.
1:52:20
So then I realized you, you cannot talk to everybody about it.
1:52:23
You know, some people said, Hey, he's crazy, what is he doing?
1:52:25
And uh, um, and I said like, yeah, okay, um, you shouldn't
1:52:30
talk to everybody about it.
1:52:32
Uh, just to people who are really interested.
1:52:34
And I said, like, you know, you figure out, you know, who's
1:52:37
really interested and who's not.
1:52:39
But yeah.
1:52:40
And then I, um, got to the point and said like, okay, what I'm doing
1:52:44
now if I continue this journey is I realize myself that I'm changing Now.
1:52:48
I, you know, I, I, I talk differently.
1:52:51
I feel differently.
1:52:52
So if I, if I want to stay in my old world, I have to stop
1:52:56
now because it doesn't work.
1:52:59
Or I, I say, okay.
1:53:02
That's my new path.
1:53:04
I go that path no matter what.
1:53:09
And I do, and I did, and I still do.
1:53:11
And then, um, you realize that you don't have to talk about anymore.
1:53:15
It just comes.
1:53:16
People just come or they don't, you know?
1:53:18
And, and the things change.
1:53:22
And also in terms of business, it opened up new paths as well.
1:53:28
So I'm doing, I'm, my conversations now with, with architects or interior
1:53:32
designers is different now and, and the business is growing actually.
1:53:36
But those are the books you're doing now, right?
1:53:37
The, your higher series,
1:53:39
Rupert Isaacson: it's about architecture.
1:53:40
You'll do the
1:53:40
Ralf Daab: architecture and interior books and the business
1:53:43
actually growing like this year.
1:53:44
And it's like, it's amazing.
1:53:46
You know, it's like the more I open up, the more people I attract to, to publish
1:53:51
with me, to publish their work with me.
1:53:53
Plus I've written my own book.
1:53:56
About the stories.
1:53:57
Uh, a little book I published myself, uh, under my new labor high on
1:54:02
living, um, came out like in February and then it sounded quite good.
1:54:07
And, uh, tell us about the book.
1:54:09
What is it?
1:54:09
What's it called?
1:54:10
Yeah, I wrote the stories like, um, the stories I experienced on this
1:54:13
journeys, you know, I wrote them down.
1:54:15
This is like 32 episodes in the book.
1:54:17
They're short episodes, you know, so, um, and it's, yeah, you could read
1:54:22
it and get really good responses from people say, okay, this is really cool.
1:54:26
I could see myself in this same story, you know, like up in the universe or.
1:54:32
Uh, I journey to myself in my own self, in my own nothing.
1:54:37
You know, when you on your own atom, there's nothing there.
1:54:40
But then I experienced the most energy ever I experienced.
1:54:44
So, and it opened up everything and started to love myself.
1:54:48
Self-love is basically, I experienced on one of the journeys, I was myself
1:54:52
saying, wow, this is, this is love.
1:54:55
This is, I didn't know what love is before love.
1:54:58
I thought of this could live, love my wife or my, my parents, my son, but this
1:55:04
kind of love I, I didn't know before.
1:55:07
So, um, I wrote this little book and um, actually it was like when I moved here to
1:55:13
Opco, uh, two days, two days later, I was like posting a video on Instagram saying,
1:55:18
uh, I'm living up here now in the nature.
1:55:21
And I got like, from my.
1:55:22
Former, um, employee Laura.
1:55:25
She used to work for me in, in Cologne like 12, 13 years ago.
1:55:29
She's like, she wrote on Instagram like, what are you doing there?
1:55:32
She said like, well, I live here now.
1:55:33
Well, she said, like, I live in like right here in the village,
1:55:36
like for 10 years, so let's meet.
1:55:38
And her husband was also involved in the, in uncle in, uh, in the reading day,
1:55:43
like where authors came to do readings.
1:55:46
And so he took me into the program.
1:55:47
So I was there officially in Hong Kong and did two readings that day.
1:55:52
It was fun, you know, people came and, uh, listened to my, my Stories
1:55:58
and tell us the name of the book.
1:56:00
The book is named Dbia.
1:56:02
There you are again.
1:56:03
Dbi You again.
1:56:04
Uh, 32 episodes.
1:56:07
Um, yeah, soul Journey, uh, of Zaza and Ze episode.
1:56:14
That's the Journey.
1:56:15
Subtitle.
1:56:16
Um, and Zaza Ze Being Journey.
1:56:19
Right.
1:56:21
And it's, it's a nice little book and yeah, people like it.
1:56:24
And, uh, so that's the basic, and, and through that book I got, um, I, I'm
1:56:30
getting now, uh, three more authors.
1:56:32
Like I one author in, in Hedburg now, like Christine, she wrote
1:56:35
a book about her journey.
1:56:37
Like one year she traveled with her family around the world.
1:56:40
She, she wrote really nice books.
1:56:41
So that's, I'm gonna publish that book under high on Living and, and others.
1:56:46
So then through that, the new publishing part, um, we call it High on Journey, high
1:56:53
on Living, not On Journey, high on Living, uh, is a new, um, division kind of buddy.
1:56:59
Where I'm gonna publish the, the stories of people with their want to, you
1:57:05
know, write their book about their own story and bring it out to the world.
1:57:09
And it's, it's really cool so that, you know, so my, my past, my journeys,
1:57:14
I got into a new business basically.
1:57:17
And, uh, it's really interesting to see like how people are attracted to that.
1:57:22
You know, it's also part of like, I think the future where people think
1:57:25
about more, uh, how you run a business and what kind of business, uh, is good.
1:57:31
So, um, I remember like a year ago I posted something on LinkedIn saying,
1:57:35
you know, I'm, I'm going, like, the spiritual entrepreneurship is the new
1:57:39
thing, kind of, you know, you have social entrepreneurship where you've got the
1:57:44
sustainability and all that kind of stuff, but the spiritual entrepreneurship
1:57:47
is something, it's in the future, like, especially the young generations looking
1:57:52
to, to start is basically what, what.
1:57:55
Kind of product or service you can do for, for everybody that it's not like,
1:58:00
of course you run a business and you should make money with it, you know?
1:58:03
So it's not like, uh, but in a different way.
1:58:06
It's not like you make money no matter what, and you, uh, you know,
1:58:10
keep it all for yourself, you know, like we have nowadays with all the,
1:58:14
the Jeff Basos and things, you know, I have like super yachts and so no,
1:58:18
that's not spiritual entrepreneurship.
1:58:20
It is like for, for everybody.
1:58:22
And, and that's, that's the kind of thing I, I, I'm, I'm looking into,
1:58:26
and that's, uh, that's how I want to start or build up my new publishing
1:58:30
division also as a community.
1:58:33
And it's all part, it's all together now.
1:58:35
And like, started with my first MD major like four years ago.
1:58:39
It's incredible.
1:58:40
But what happened since, ever since, you know, so, uh, and
1:58:44
it's, it goes on, you know?
1:58:45
So.
1:58:45
So
1:58:46
Rupert Isaacson: let's talk about some of those journeys.
1:58:47
Um, tell us about the first journey you did, and then I want you to give us.
1:58:52
Some windows on some of those other journeys.
1:58:55
Let's start with your first journey four years ago.
1:58:58
Well, the first journey was like, um, I
1:59:01
Ralf Daab: was, you know, you, you put the music on you basically, you take
1:59:05
it and then it takes like half an hour.
1:59:07
So, and then you put the music on.
1:59:09
You're lying down.
1:59:10
You lying down on the mattress in a quiet room.
1:59:12
Quiet room.
1:59:13
Yeah.
1:59:13
Someone is there with you to look after you a bit.
1:59:16
Yeah.
1:59:16
Right, right.
1:59:17
It, it's better like setting settings.
1:59:19
Very important.
1:59:20
Someone with not alone experience.
1:59:21
Alone with experience.
1:59:22
And you can have also like conversations, you know, during your, mm-hmm.
1:59:25
Your, your.
1:59:27
Journey.
1:59:27
So I was like looking out the window and I saw like birds flying
1:59:31
and said like, oh, that's fun.
1:59:32
You know, let's fly with birds, you know?
1:59:34
So, and I really, my soul left my body and I went up to the, and fly, you
1:59:38
know, played with the, with the birds.
1:59:40
And then I suddenly went further up through the clouds, through the, uh, sky.
1:59:45
And I was up in, in the universe in the, so, and then I saw the earth from above.
1:59:51
And, uh, how beautiful this be.
1:59:54
Blue planet was standing, like, looked like standing still.
1:59:58
I was really like, it, it, it wasn't like looking a picture, it was like I
2:00:02
was there, my soul was up there, and I looked at this beautiful planet.
2:00:07
I said like, oh yeah, my God, this is so beautiful.
2:00:09
And what are, what are we doing here?
2:00:10
And then, and then suddenly I had like a drag kind of like,
2:00:13
uh, it was so, so, so fast.
2:00:15
I said, what the, the, the earth doesn't stand still.
2:00:18
It, it, it turns like in one day.
2:00:21
We, we have speed of 1,600 kilometers per hour.
2:00:24
We, we moving, but we don't feel it, you know?
2:00:27
So, and the, the, the earth is moving around the sun with the speed
2:00:32
of 100,000 kilometers per hour.
2:00:36
And it's incredible.
2:00:36
Like, and you know what?
2:00:38
And you don't feel it, but when you, and then I realized, hey,
2:00:42
this is so, this is amazing.
2:00:45
But it's also like, uh, so it, it changed my perspective of
2:00:49
like, being on that planet.
2:00:51
You know what I mean?
2:00:51
It's like seeing from outside and, and feeling the, the speed and almost
2:00:57
felt like, you know, I'm nothing.
2:00:58
I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and how f how big the universe is and how
2:01:02
f everything is so creative.
2:01:04
So I said like, who am I?
2:01:07
You know, what am I doing here?
2:01:09
Why we have wars on earth?
2:01:11
Why we have so crazy people, like, you know, so that, that
2:01:15
first journey changed my.
2:01:17
Perspective of everything myself, the earth, the universe.
2:01:22
And then, then I got back into my body and I was laying there.
2:01:26
I said like, wow, this was incredible.
2:01:29
This was, I've never had this experience before.
2:01:32
And I was really, it felt like, you know, not looking TV or on the picture.
2:01:37
It was like my soul was up there.
2:01:39
And maybe it was, I think it was because maybe my soul was up there
2:01:42
in form alive or whatever, you know?
2:01:44
So, and that's a difference of, you know, maybe just meditation or being
2:01:49
like in a different consciousness.
2:01:52
Rupert Isaacson: Well, I think consciousness is the, is the word there.
2:01:56
Um, you know, listening to the current
2:02:02
conversations that are going on around quantum, um, explorations from
2:02:07
physicists, it seems that the people who were dubbed crazy, like, um, uh.
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Penrose back in, in, in the uk.
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He was in his nineties.
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Now he, even though he was a, a Nobel laureate, even though he, uh, made many,
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many, um, contributions to mainstream science that he was celebrated for
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when he came up with the idea that perhaps the universe is conscious,
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perhaps physics, the answers in in classical physics are just not enough.
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Um, and that they need to interact with fields of consciousness that
2:02:52
seem to be expressed through quantum.
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He was just, you know, laughed out of town.
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And then you had people like, uh, Rupert Shel, Drake, another renowned physicist
2:03:02
in the uk basically saying the same thing, saying, no, I think, you know,
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from a scientific point of view, the only explanation is that we're dealing
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with a conscious universe and that everything is conscious and that cells
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a conscious, and consciousness is not, not a, not a product of the human brain.
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That the human brain comes from consciousness.
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Um, you know, and that old sort of Judeo-Christian idea of from
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Descartes in the 17th century, I think therefore I am right.
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Um, and so therefore only humans, you know, have spirituality,
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emotion, soul, blah, blah, blah.
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And of course this was taken up by the church with great alacrity 'cause
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it meant one could get away with doing all sorts of horrible things.
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'cause then you could also have a hierarchy of, within humans, you know,
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who, who's more worthy than others.
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And of course that turned out to be white people.
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Um.
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Especially, you know, ones who are gonna go and do some colonizing.
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Um, all of that seems to be breaking down now, and the people who are
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exploring fields of consciousness, um, in the western world all seem
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to be coming to this conclusion.
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Talk us through, um, your next journeys, because that was sort of
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your icebreaker, if you like, right?
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Where you you got the new perspective.
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And I remember having that same response when I was sort of in my
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late teens, early twenties, I think when I first ever did psychotropics.
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I think I was living in Canada actually at the time, and, uh, when I first
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did LSD and I realized this is before any of my exposure to sort of shamma
2:04:42
shamanism or anything like that.
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And I remember thinking, this is really useful because this is like
2:04:46
being taken up to a window on.
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Spirituality or window on altered consciousness or what now people
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might call other fields, but you can't really go through that window.
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The, the drug is also, it gives you the, the perspective,
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but also is the limitation.
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Um, and then later when I encountered, you know, sun Bushman healers and
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others who could go through that window, um, I, of course, you know, my
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life changed, but I remember thinking very early, yes, this is great.
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I'm so glad I got a chance to see through this window, but I
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can't go through that window.
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You know?
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So you, but so you kind of a bit did go through the window on that first
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trip, but not perhaps fully right?
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You're still.
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Aware, well, this is a medicine I've taken, or this is a drug that
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I've taken, it's brought me here.
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How does it then develop, talk, talk us through the next couple, when's the next
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sort of most significant moment in, in these journeys that stands out for you?
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Right.
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Ralf Daab: And, and this is very the most significant, uh, story I was
2:06:01
like before, went on the journey.
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I said like, you know, I wanna really know what am I doing in my, my life here?
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What is my purpose?
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What is my calling?
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Like, you know, am I really doing the things I'm supposed to do?
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Like, uh, so sometimes you, you can ask questions before or, you know, but it's,
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it's not necessarily that it comes up.
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The subconscious will tell you what, you know, what's important.
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But in this case, it came up and so I was listening to music.
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It was, um, same thing.
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It was on a mattress listening to music, and it was a kind of,
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kind of Arabian melody music.
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So suddenly I saw myself on a bazaar in Persia, but some hundred years ago.
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So I was walking through, was bizarre, looking at, you know,
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beautiful things like bases, like carpets, like beautiful things.
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And the people like who were selling that, they know me, they, they
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offered me to take, oh, take a look at here and there and there.
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So, and then suddenly two guards came, like soldiers, and they Japanese said
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like, oh, I, you are Ralph, right?
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And, um, yeah, I said like, yeah, um, come on, the, the Salton wants to see you.
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I said, Saltan, why Saltan?
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Yeah.
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Come on.
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So, and, and I'm telling this story.
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I'm really in that story.
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I'm not, you know, looking from the outside and then
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see the, I'm in the story.
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It's the same thing.
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As I said before.
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My soul was in the, I like up in space now.
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My soul was in Persia some hundred years ago.
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And I, you know, I could hear the voices, I could see everything like, as I would
2:07:30
be there, like, so I was in the, in the.
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Uh, I was, yeah, walking with the palace and, and towards the, the sultan.
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So the Sultan said, hello, Ralph, very nice to see you.
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Glad you came.
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And, uh, and then he said that this is it.
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They say, you can see the beauty.
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Show me the beauty in this world, because I cannot see the beauty show the
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beauty to me, and I will make you rich.
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So I said, okay, all right.
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So that's, and then I, this stopped, story stopped, and it was like in the
2:08:02
conversation with the guy was with me.
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He said like, you know what, I could just experience I salt like
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some hundred years ago in Persia.
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He said, yeah, what does it mean?
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Like your subconscious wants to tell you something of that.
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So, yeah, yeah.
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I'm doing books like for the last 20 years I published books on architecture,
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art, fashion, you know, to show beautiful things, you know, to other people.
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That's what I'm doing.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So, all right, that's that.
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So now, now I know that I'm doing the right thing, you know, because.
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That's what my subconscious told me.
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The funny, now the thing is like one of the next, not the next one, but the, the
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journey after like, I don't know, four months later, did the Suan feel that you
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did show him the beauty, or did Yeah.
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That the story continues.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like four months later, say music comes up, you know, mattress.
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And I was like, oh, I'm in Persia again.
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And I said, oh, oh, let's see what's gonna happen.
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So I'm in front of the S again and he says like, oh yeah, glad you're back.
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I, you know, I watch you and then you do a good job.
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Continue.
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It is all right.
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You know, that's, you're doing the right thing.
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Uh, but I have to tell you something.
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I said, okay, what do you have to tell him?
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And he says, I don't exist.
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I said, what do you mean you don't exist?
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Who are you?
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And then he says, in this word, I'm God, I'm the universe, and I'm you.
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And then he vanished.
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He, he exposed, he's gone.
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The palace is gone.
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Everything is gone.
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I'm on the mattress, I'm back.
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And the said what?
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Yeah.
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And then talking to the guy, I said that, yeah, it was just happens.
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Had the high spiritual, uh, experience saying like, it's all in my set.
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And me the sultan is just, I'm you.
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He said, like, it's in me.
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So it's all there.
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And that's, that's an incredible story.
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Now, um, now I know that I'm on the right path.
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So what happened then is we were in California two years ago and we
2:10:04
were down in San Diego, LA Jolla.
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It's like, uh, a place I know, 'cause I've been there many times when I
2:10:10
lived in the us So I was going to the bookstore and check out the bookstore.
2:10:16
So there was a, I sort of sign psychic reading.
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I said like, ah, I'm curious.
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Let's say, let's go there.
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So I called and said like, come like in half an hour.
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So, um, so walk in and there's an old lady, beautiful setting, you
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know, it was more like a gallery.
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And I asked her, what, what can you do?
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So, and she said like, I, I can do a reading.
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I said, okay, let's do it.
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So one hour she said, like you said, just sit down.
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You don't say anything, you know, just listen.
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And after that you can ask questions.
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Like afterwards, in one hour she told me everything about my childhood, my, my
2:10:50
life, my relationships, my, the things I'm doing, business wise, everything.
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And now it comes.
2:10:56
Then she told me, in a former life you were in Persia on Aza you were responsible
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to show people beautiful things.
2:11:04
Can you imagine like a psychic reader in California?
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That's real.
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It's not, that's not a journey.
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That's not, that's real life.
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She tells me the story I experienced on an Emily MJ journey six months before.
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Incredible.
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And then, and then af especially then I knew that's, that's something real,
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you know, now I know it's, it's there.
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It doesn't matter if it's a journey and the image or it's real life.
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It, it's, it's the same basically.
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And how can she possibly know that, you know?
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And, uh, did you ask her how she did?
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Yeah.
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And, and she said like, what?
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Uh, she said, like, when I walked in, she said, like, I
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was, she could see everything.
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I was open.
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She said like, uh, you know, you are very open.
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And then I told her about the journeys.
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She said, okay, now I know because you did the journeys, you're, you're very open.
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You can, you know, so you're, um, I, I have a feeling also that I can, things
2:12:00
are channeled to me, you know, sometimes, you know, says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:12:05
That's all, that's you.
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And it's incredible.
2:12:08
Then after that you said like, okay, now I'm, I'm really like, uh, the next level.
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Of my myself, basically, you know?
2:12:18
So, and that showed me that what, what's in me, in my subconscious
2:12:24
comes out through the MDA major.
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It is in real life.
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It's like what calla, uh, synchronicity happens, you know, like you
2:12:31
experience things in real life.
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Maybe you have a dream or you have a journey.
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I'm the major, whatever.
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Or maybe mushrooms and things are happening.
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Um, and that's, I think, great.
2:12:45
It opens up
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Rupert Isaacson: many doors.
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Did she elucidate or do you feel that what's going on with a thing
2:12:52
like that is that you were dealing actually with a linear timeline?
2:12:55
Like I used to be that person I, I'm, I'm now reincarnated as this person?
2:13:00
Or do you or she feel that No, these are existing and overlapping parallels, fields
2:13:08
of consciousness, which are perhaps.
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Happening simultaneously.
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Yeah.
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It's more like I experienced it happening all at the same time.
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So you are still the Yeah.
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It's, uh, person in Persia.
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Yeah.
2:13:21
And you are still whoever you were or will be, right?
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Ralf Daab: Right.
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Even like in, in formal lives.
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But also now I'm still the young Ralph, the, the baby Ralph, the, the
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5-year-old Ralph, the 15-year-old Ralph.
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I'm, I'm also, but I'm also the 90-year-old Ralph.
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Old, old Ralph already I'm, everything's at the same time.
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It's just a different perspective.
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You know, when you look at this and you can say it's just, if I'm like,
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um, I'm now 60 years old, so if I go like 55 light years away, I look to the
2:13:54
earth and I see the 5-year-old Ralph.
2:13:56
So it's all at the same time.
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And the great thing is what I experienced myself, is to find the
2:14:03
old, the 5-year-old Ralph again in me.
2:14:06
To let the, let the, the young Ralph play again, like the, you know, be
2:14:10
silly, be, you know, open and, uh, yeah.
2:14:15
And that's a great thing.
2:14:16
So to know that everything is there at the same time, time is nothing.
2:14:20
Time
2:14:21
Rupert Isaacson: is, was it, was it Einstein who said that time may
2:14:25
just be a particularly stubborn illusion brought about by gravity?
2:14:30
Um, yeah, I'm not sure I understand that, but that's certainly something he said.
2:14:34
Um, but I, I suppose I could actually, because if you add weight and mass
2:14:40
to things, you know, you've probably seen those diagrams of the idea of
2:14:45
space and time being like a net.
2:14:46
And you put planet like ball that sits on it, goes whoop, like that.
2:14:49
Yeah.
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Right.
2:14:50
And that warp kind of effect of like the ball on the blanket with a
2:14:55
blanket then gets a big bulge in it.
2:14:58
If we are sort of in the middle of that, we then might experience that
2:15:02
heaviness, that weight as time could be.
2:15:05
Could that be, I mean, that sounds as, as feasible as anything else to me.
2:15:08
I don't see why that wouldn't be, particularly when you've got
2:15:11
people like Einstein saying it.
2:15:13
Um, okay.
2:15:14
Take us through the next, uh, thing.
2:15:17
But before you get there, there's actually just something I'd like to also add.
2:15:22
When I've been with indigenous peoples frequently, their perception
2:15:25
of time is not, uh, linear.
2:15:29
It's often more vertical.
2:15:30
The idea is again, that it's all these things are happening simultaneously.
2:15:35
You own lifespan is happening simultaneously.
2:15:37
You are, as you say, your young self, your old self, your dead self, your previous
2:15:42
self, your next self, all of that.
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That's all at the same time.
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It's just that where your awareness is, is now.
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Yeah.
2:15:51
Um, and that, of course there is only the present because no
2:15:55
one's ever been able to see.
2:15:56
Anything else.
2:15:57
Um, but there are all those presence are constantly going on together.
2:16:01
And I've had that, I've had that presented to me many, many
2:16:05
times in indigenous settings.
2:16:08
Um, and then watch people do really interesting things with that.
2:16:11
Then I just say it.
2:16:12
But then they will go into an altered set of consciousness and in front of my eyes,
2:16:17
pull something physically outta somebody's body who's sick and they get well.
2:16:20
Again, I, I've seen that many people who've gone and spent time
2:16:24
in those sorts of parts of the world would have similar stories.
2:16:27
Um, so clearly it's been put to some sort of practical use.
2:16:32
Um, it's just within our context in our culture, we find it confusing.
2:16:38
Tell us then again, you, okay, so there's, there's you in Persia twice.
2:16:45
There you are in San Diego.
2:16:46
And the lady says, oh yeah, you were in Persia.
2:16:48
Um, what's the next one that takes you deeper?
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I can tell you a story.
2:16:54
Ralf Daab: I mean, we are under us now.
2:16:55
Now it's very confidential.
2:16:58
Oh, no.
2:16:58
Well,
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Rupert Isaacson: I've hit the course.
2:17:01
Ralf Daab: You
2:17:01
Rupert Isaacson: don't want it.
2:17:02
Ralf Daab: No, no, no.
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It's really, I can tell the story because it's once, this story is really, when
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I do the reading, you know, especially woman asked me, how, how did you do that?
2:17:11
So I had sex with myself.
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Ah, I
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Ralf Daab: explain it now.
2:17:15
Were you good?
2:17:16
Yes, absolutely.
2:17:17
And then, and it was incredible what a relief
2:17:19
Rupert Isaacson: would be.
2:17:21
Ralf Daab: Can you imagine if you like, well, that was a bit shit.
2:17:24
No, no, I was, um, yeah, same thing.
2:17:27
So I was, music was good.
2:17:29
I was feeling really good.
2:17:30
And, uh, so I, I started touching myself, but it felt like, you know,
2:17:35
I'm touching somebody else, like with my hands, with somebody else.
2:17:38
And I realized, oh, you know, came up.
2:17:40
Oh, sex is good, you know, and then I saw myself as a man, as I am as Ralph.
2:17:48
But then I realized there's something different.
2:17:51
So I was also the woman.
2:17:54
I was both, I was me and the woman, and I felt both, you know,
2:18:00
both sides, basically both feet.
2:18:02
I, I could feel myself and when I, when I, as Ralph as a man touched
2:18:06
the woman, the Ralph, whatever name touched, I could feel both sides.
2:18:11
So, and then we had sex, and then we really had sex.
2:18:13
So we had Did you enter yourself?
2:18:15
Yes.
2:18:15
Yes.
2:18:15
Did you feel
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Rupert Isaacson: yourself being entered by you?
2:18:17
Yes.
2:18:17
Yes.
2:18:18
Ralf Daab: Yes.
2:18:19
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
2:18:19
So you, you as a man know what it feels like to penetrate, how did it feel
2:18:22
to be penetrated from that feeling?
2:18:25
Very, very, very, very good.
2:18:26
It felt very, what can you, can you, can you be more specific?
2:18:30
Like,
2:18:30
Ralf Daab: I felt like, I felt it was very tender.
2:18:33
It was like smooth.
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It was lovely.
2:18:36
It was, you know,
2:18:38
Rupert Isaacson: very, uh, what was the emotional component of
2:18:42
having this lover inside you?
2:18:44
It was love.
2:18:45
Ralf Daab: It was, it was, it felt like love, you know, like
2:18:48
everything, you know, so it felt.
2:18:51
Felt like I, I was, I would be one once, you know, everything in both.
2:18:56
But I, I had my, the, the feminine side and I had the masculine
2:19:00
side, and it was incredible.
2:19:03
So I, for me as a man afterwards, I was saying like, okay, it's good.
2:19:07
I'm, I'm very soft.
2:19:08
I'm tender, I'm, I'm, I'm a good man.
2:19:10
I'm very, you know, like, um, you know, so I, I think that woman feels
2:19:17
feel good in my, you know, with me.
2:19:19
So, and the other side was like, oh yeah, he's a good, he's great.
2:19:22
He's, uh, um, so it was both
2:19:26
Rupert Isaacson: sides.
2:19:28
And he's credible, like when I, do you think it was an exercise in
2:19:30
self-acceptance in some metaphorical way?
2:19:32
Yeah.
2:19:33
Kind of.
2:19:33
Kind of,
2:19:33
Ralf Daab: yes.
2:19:34
Yeah.
2:19:35
It was funny, like, uh, when I do the readings, most women ask
2:19:38
me, oh, how, how does it feel?
2:19:39
And then how, how does it work to get into that feeling?
2:19:42
Because they wanna experience the same thing, but also as a man.
2:19:45
Sure.
2:19:46
You know,
2:19:47
Rupert Isaacson: everyone has that curiosity.
2:19:48
And then for
2:19:48
Ralf Daab: me it was like, this journey was like to, to show me
2:19:51
that everything is also in me, the feminine side and the masculine side.
2:19:57
And my feminine part, I would say is also, I would say, bit
2:20:02
larger than maybe other men.
2:20:04
So I have real good feminine side also.
2:20:09
And that was this journey, you know, to experience, uh,
2:20:13
the sexual part on both sides.
2:20:18
Rupert Isaacson: So,
2:20:19
Ralf Daab: yeah,
2:20:20
Rupert Isaacson: it's interesting that you say that because I have a,
2:20:23
it's not exactly a recurring dream, but it's a dream where the, there's
2:20:29
a recognition that is recurring, um, where sometimes I meet a young
2:20:36
woman, and this has happened to me.
2:20:40
Oh.
2:20:43
Many times in the, over the decades, and there's this absolute falling
2:20:47
in love and but also a sense of, I know you, and sometimes we
2:20:54
make love and sometimes we don't.
2:20:55
But there's always this great joy and a feeling of homecoming and acceptance.
2:21:02
And then when I wake up, sometimes I wake up with tears, not from loss, not
2:21:08
because I've had to wake up and that person has gone, but sort of tears of joy.
2:21:13
And then at a heart level, what comes through is, oh, that was your soul.
2:21:19
You met your soul.
2:21:20
And it's interesting to me that my soul is always feminine
2:21:23
and occasionally it's a horse.
2:21:27
Mm-hmm.
2:21:27
Occasionally I meet a horse that talks, we don't make love.
2:21:31
Um, but we do hang out and we, and we, um, the interactions we have are very sweet.
2:21:41
Very loving.
2:21:43
There is this feeling of
2:21:48
a family, family or so less romantic than when I meet the young woman.
2:21:56
But nonetheless, the same exact feeling and the same heart
2:22:00
thought, that's your soul.
2:22:02
And then I'm always so grateful afterwards.
2:22:04
I always do a meditation or, or pray around gratitude and say, thank you,
2:22:10
thank you, thank you God universe for allowing me to make contact
2:22:16
with my soul like that because it means that I can carry that feeling
2:22:23
around with me almost like a little happiness garden, um, inside myself.
2:22:27
Um, and it sounds like you are describing.
2:22:32
A very, very intense version of something like that, perhaps.
2:22:35
Mm-hmm.
2:22:35
Rupert Isaacson: Um, has that happened to you again since, or No.
2:22:39
Was that a one time?
2:22:40
That was a one time, yeah.
2:22:41
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:22:42
But it's there now.
2:22:43
Now I know.
2:22:43
Like, it's in me
2:22:44
Rupert Isaacson: like, like
2:22:45
Ralf Daab: Right.
2:22:45
Do
2:22:45
Rupert Isaacson: you
2:22:45
Ralf Daab: feel
2:22:45
Rupert Isaacson: you can access that state?
2:22:47
Yeah.
2:22:47
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:22:48
Yeah.
2:22:49
It's with everything, you know, the thing is like, every story is comforting.
2:22:53
I think that that's the word I'm trying to Yeah, yeah.
2:22:55
Right.
2:22:56
Yeah.
2:22:57
Every story I experience like is, it's in me.
2:22:59
It's, it's, it's right there, you know, different situations.
2:23:03
I can pull it up and say, oh, yeah.
2:23:05
Um, there's another great story I tell you.
2:23:08
Mm-hmm.
2:23:09
Please.
2:23:09
Um, I always had a dream for years because you were talking about a dream.
2:23:15
Um, in real life, like, I had dream like years and years and years.
2:23:18
I, I, you know, I was flying a lot, you know, when I lived in New York, I was
2:23:22
like always on the, you know, plane.
2:23:24
Like, I don't know.
2:23:26
I.
2:23:26
Every week almost.
2:23:27
Um, I never had fear of flying or, you know, something, but in that
2:23:32
dream, um, the plane crashed and, uh, in the, in the dark woods.
2:23:37
So, you know, I survive and everybody in the plane survive.
2:23:41
So, but I'm standing in the front of the wreck, the, the
2:23:44
wreckage that, of the plane.
2:23:46
And then the dream always stops there in the, in the, in darkness.
2:23:51
And this is a dream
2:23:52
Rupert Isaacson: outside of these MDMA journey, right?
2:23:54
Right.
2:23:55
Like the dream
2:23:55
Ralf Daab: I had like, for, for years, 10 years or so.
2:23:57
Okay.
2:23:58
Even, even more 15 years or so.
2:24:01
Um, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and, uh, and
2:24:06
it's dark and then the dream stops there.
2:24:09
I wake up and the dream stops there.
2:24:11
So on one of the journeys, the dream comes up.
2:24:15
Same thing.
2:24:16
I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and now I start walking.
2:24:23
Into the darkness.
2:24:24
You know, it, I could see nothing.
2:24:26
It was just black, you know, woods black, nothing could see anything.
2:24:31
How about I keep walking and then suddenly a, a girl stands there in
2:24:35
this white skirt, like a little, like five year, four year girl, girl.
2:24:40
And she puts me like an amlin around my neck.
2:24:43
And then she, she tells me that, go your path into the light.
2:24:49
Walk into the light.
2:24:51
So I keep walking, walking.
2:24:53
Suddenly I see a light, you know, in the woods.
2:24:56
So, and I get there and then, uh, and there's a huge deer like in,
2:25:02
in the middle, standing there in the light, and he steps aside.
2:25:07
And I go in there and I start dancing in that space where the light is.
2:25:15
And then suddenly I, I'm, I'm on a stage.
2:25:17
I'm in a huge stage, and then the curtains open, and then there are
2:25:21
thousands of people applauding.
2:25:23
And then, uh, I'm, I'm back there on stage dancing again.
2:25:28
So what tells me that metaphor was like, yes, I was, I was broke, you
2:25:33
know, I was like, you know, lost kind of like, and I was lost in real
2:25:38
life, so I was lost standing there.
2:25:41
I was not dead, but, and then I start walking and this little
2:25:45
girl gives me like an omelet.
2:25:46
Like say, okay, go into the light.
2:25:49
And then I'm, I'm on stage dancing and I'm back into my life.
2:25:53
I'm back on stage.
2:25:54
I'm, so, it's a fantastic story for me.
2:25:57
And ever since it's like, I don't know, two years ago, never had that dream again.
2:26:04
'cause it's the, the, the situation is solved now, you know?
2:26:08
You know what I mean?
2:26:09
Like, I'm back on stage and there was an old life that
2:26:13
Rupert Isaacson: had to end, uh, sort of.
2:26:16
Uh, yeah, very businessy, very flying, roundy involved type life.
2:26:23
Right.
2:26:24
It needed to end, but when that ends, of course, yeah.
2:26:27
One feels lost for a while.
2:26:30
Yeah.
2:26:31
Until one is put on the next stage.
2:26:33
I could see, I could see the logic of that.
2:26:37
Um, so that was really like,
2:26:39
Ralf Daab: uh, yeah.
2:26:41
Never had that dream again.
2:26:42
I don't need that dream again.
2:26:43
'cause now I'm back in state basically kind of like, okay, I'm back
2:26:48
Rupert Isaacson: now before we come to where you are back to, which
2:26:54
is different to where you were and perhaps an old self did have to die.
2:26:59
Um, talk to me about death.
2:27:03
So with these journeys, you experienced perspective, you
2:27:10
experienced love and self-acceptance.
2:27:13
You experienced.
2:27:15
Uh, different fields of consciousness and vertical parallel timelines.
2:27:24
Ralf Daab: I know what you,
2:27:25
Rupert Isaacson: yeah.
2:27:26
Have you experienced death and if so, yes.
2:27:28
Yes.
2:27:29
Tell me about that.
2:27:30
Yes, I experienced
2:27:31
Ralf Daab: my own death and it was wonderful.
2:27:34
Um, some people would say, oh, scaring, or, you know, I don't
2:27:39
want to, you know, experience that I did and it was wonderful.
2:27:43
So the thing is, I, I was, you know, um, same thing, you know, mattress music
2:27:50
is on and I see myself on the beach in os Gore, that's in France, like on
2:27:55
the Atlantic Coast where we go almost every year, uh, for a long time now.
2:28:00
Um, it's like a soul place for me.
2:28:02
Like it's, you know, so I see myself like on the beach sitting
2:28:05
there in the arms of a woman, but I don't see the woman behind me.
2:28:10
But I'm sitting there and then I.
2:28:11
The number 96 comes up.
2:28:14
So my age, 96.
2:28:15
I say, wow, that's fantastic.
2:28:17
I'm 96 years old.
2:28:18
I had a good life.
2:28:19
I, uh, it's a lot of time.
2:28:22
Um, so, and then I felt that my soul is leaving my body, you know, it's like going
2:28:29
out of my body, like over the sand and the water up in the, through the cloud.
2:28:33
There were no clouds, but, uh, up in the sky and then into space and, and it said
2:28:38
like, I'm dying and actually a diet.
2:28:41
And the woman behind me said, like, you know, I'm, I'm coming with you later.
2:28:45
And, uh, I love you.
2:28:47
That's the last thing I heard.
2:28:48
I love you, but I couldn't see the woman, so I don't know who it is.
2:28:52
Yeah, no.
2:28:53
So that's, um, but it was a wonderful experience.
2:28:59
It was, uh, very, very smooth, very uh.
2:29:05
Not hurting, nothing.
2:29:06
You know, it was like going in back into space.
2:29:10
It, it just felt really, really wonderful.
2:29:13
And then being 96, I said like, you know, if that's, this
2:29:16
is really, I'm gonna be 96.
2:29:17
Wow, that's great.
2:29:18
You know, so I still have, you know, about, it was 56 at that
2:29:22
time, so I have 40 years to go.
2:29:24
It is fantastic.
2:29:25
You know, so, and if I die 90, say whatever can happen to me now, that being
2:29:28
Rupert Isaacson: 16
2:29:29
Ralf Daab: again.
2:29:29
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
2:29:30
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:29:30
That's the other story.
2:29:31
Now that, that's the part I experience on the MDMA journey.
2:29:34
But, so three months later we are actually in our school.
2:29:38
I go for a walk on the beach.
2:29:40
I have music on.
2:29:41
That's what I do.
2:29:41
Like once a day I going for a walk and then I stop.
2:29:46
And at that, I'm at that point where I said, oh, here has, here is this, here's
2:29:50
a place where I die so I could see it.
2:29:53
And I, I got showered.
2:29:54
It felt like boo goosebumps wall.
2:29:56
I.
2:29:57
I start crying, you know, say, wow, this is, here's a place.
2:30:01
So I then did calculations, said like I was 56.
2:30:05
Then I said, I, when I 96, it's 40 years to go.
2:30:09
When I subtract that from 56, I'm 16 years old now, and I can start all over
2:30:15
again with everything, with relationship, with business, with everything.
2:30:19
And I still have 40 years to go, wow, how fantastic is that?
2:30:22
So, and then I started crying and laughing and I was dancing on the beach
2:30:26
and I was like, wow, this is fantastic.
2:30:29
So that was real, you know, so that's what I said earlier with with when you
2:30:33
have like the experience with, with the Saltan or you know, with things
2:30:37
that happen in, in on the MDMA journey.
2:30:40
And then you have experience like in real life you say, well, that's
2:30:43
the same thing, you know here.
2:30:45
The, his story continues in real life, so I.
2:30:49
It was just fantastic.
2:30:51
And I said like, I don't have fear of death, nothing.
2:30:54
So what, what else, uh, can happen to me?
2:30:58
And one thing is like, uh, a friend of mine, tma, he died in November of cancer
2:31:05
last November, very sad age of 58.
2:31:08
So, um, and last year I took him twice on the journey, MDMA journey.
2:31:14
And he experienced also his death on his first journey, um, which helped
2:31:20
him a lot to, at the end, I was in the hospice with him the last three days.
2:31:26
And he told me the story, like how he died and he was great.
2:31:29
He was, you know, going into the light and he had no fear, you know, and he left
2:31:34
and with no fear and he gave me so much power and energy and it was incredible.
2:31:39
So, for him, this MDMA journey was wonderful, you know?
2:31:45
Going through this whole process, and then eventually he died then.
2:31:48
But, uh, it was great.
2:31:50
So for him and for me also, yeah.
2:31:53
So these are things that, uh, that's why I also like, uh, going, I dunno
2:32:00
when next week, two weeks, we're gonna do like, uh, MDA journey again.
2:32:04
Like this is like, just experience.
2:32:07
Like what, what's coming, you know, you can look into the
2:32:09
future, um, or I can look into the future, or I can ask questions.
2:32:13
So like, what is, what, what's coming next?
2:32:15
Or ideas is something I should, uh, I should look at.
2:32:20
Or what also happens is, um, that's what the, the psychic reading
2:32:24
told me also, like, I should be open to, uh, to channeling.
2:32:28
And that's happening also.
2:32:29
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's now, I, I sleep very
2:32:34
well because one thing is also like, it helped me a lot in the last six months
2:32:37
without the separation, the ending of the relationship and everything.
2:32:40
I.
2:32:41
I don't drink alcohol in it no more for six months now.
2:32:45
And it's great, you know, I feel good.
2:32:48
I sleep better.
2:32:49
I, I'm clear.
2:32:50
So it's, it's fantastic.
2:32:52
So I wake up most of the time, early in the morning, like 5 30, 6.
2:32:56
And then in that stage I'm, I'm just saying, okay, I'm
2:33:00
open, just channel whatever.
2:33:01
Like, I'm talking to the universe, they're like, oh, let, let me know
2:33:04
what I, you know, should look at.
2:33:07
And, uh, and I, I get messages.
2:33:09
It's, it's amazing.
2:33:10
Can you give us some
2:33:10
Rupert Isaacson: examples?
2:33:12
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:33:12
It's like, um, some people come up, they say, oh, you should talk to him.
2:33:16
Or some people like, um, like yesterday for example, was some like really like
2:33:22
a name came up or I saw the picture actually of a person who I've seen for
2:33:26
like years said I should talk, contact him, you know, so that kind of thing.
2:33:30
And I sent an email yesterday.
2:33:34
Got a response, so maybe a new project.
2:33:36
So that's kind of things, you know, oh, let's say I should do this or that,
2:33:40
or just some, sometimes small things.
2:33:43
But yeah, it's kind of like, or I see get also sometimes messages
2:33:47
for other people when I, when I, um, see oh, there's something going
2:33:52
on, and yeah, be careful, you know?
2:33:54
So I think it's more like, and then you tell
2:33:57
Rupert Isaacson: that person, I saw this.
2:33:59
Ralf Daab: Yeah,
2:33:59
Rupert Isaacson: keep your eyes
2:34:00
Ralf Daab: open.
2:34:01
It's like what Psyched told me, like you are very open, you know, um, you
2:34:06
know, a higher frequency basically.
2:34:09
And I feel that sometimes, you know, that, um, I can get messages
2:34:13
or feel something and, um.
2:34:16
That's what Yeah, it's, it's, it's great.
2:34:19
So it's nothing I'm, I'm afraid of, you know, so it's just really good.
2:34:24
And that's why, you know, I'm continue also doing, doing like, uh, I'm
2:34:27
starting doing Kundalini now because Kundalini yoga is also spiritual,
2:34:32
you know, it's a connection between spirit and body and everything.
2:34:35
It's, it is part of the spiritual journey.
2:34:38
Um, or, uh, the go meditation I did last weekend in, in Hamburg was fantastic.
2:34:44
Have you done go meditation?
2:34:45
Wow.
2:34:46
I have not,
2:34:46
Rupert Isaacson: but I have, I have done things with singing bowls and frequencies.
2:34:51
Um, I was recently in Grand Rapids, Michigan and um, went through a
2:34:58
meditation with singing balls, very similar to gongs actually.
2:35:03
And one of the things which the practitioner did as we were lying
2:35:08
there, was with a tuning fork coming around and then putting the tuning fork.
2:35:16
To the skin, um, at the frequency of the bowl.
2:35:22
And I, what I found, um, extraordinary about that was that I didn't experience
2:35:30
it as like a vibration or a buzzing or a tickling or something that you'd,
2:35:34
you'd expect I experienced it as color.
2:35:37
Mm-hmm.
2:35:37
Um, and
2:35:41
deep sense of peace.
2:35:43
And I was actually there with my son.
2:35:44
I was there with Rowan, uh, sc you know who's Yeah.
2:35:47
Okay.
2:35:48
My whole story really?
2:35:49
Yeah.
2:35:49
Yeah.
2:35:49
We were there
2:35:49
Rupert Isaacson: together and he'd been actually helping me
2:35:52
with a, an autism training.
2:35:54
Um, you know, he often comes on the trainings now and helps explain
2:35:58
autism from the inside to people.
2:36:01
Um, and to be going through that experience with him was lovely.
2:36:04
And actually that, that.
2:36:05
What you just said brings me sort of to the next thing, which is I think
2:36:08
some people will be listening saying, oh, well, does that mean I have to
2:36:11
do a psychotropic substance in order to begin to access these states?
2:36:16
And of course the answer is no.
2:36:18
No.
2:36:18
Um, all of my early experiences with those ulcer state of consciousness as
2:36:25
healing have been with, um, cultures where those plants just don't grow.
2:36:33
So for example, in the Kalahari, in southern Africa,
2:36:37
there are no psychotropics.
2:36:38
So the healers dance themselves into trance, um, but then are incredibly
2:36:45
effective whether they are healing or whether they're contacting ancestor
2:36:50
spirits for, um, answers to a dilemma or whether they are, whether it's hunting
2:36:55
magic, and they just need to know where the lions are so they can go the
2:36:58
other way the next day, or, or, or, um.
2:37:03
Of course, those who know my story know that it, it even got tied up
2:37:06
with the human rights and political, um, uh, struggle that the son
2:37:15
were in, that I was helping with.
2:37:17
Where I realized that what was happening was the lawyers that we
2:37:20
were, uh, hiring for them because they've been kicked off their land
2:37:26
illegally to make way for diamond mines.
2:37:30
Were going talking to the.
2:37:32
Community who would then go and talk to their healers, who would then go into
2:37:36
trance and go into the spirit world, come back with a series of instructions, tell
2:37:39
that to the community, who would then tell that to the lawyers, and then that
2:37:42
would be the strategy for the courtroom.
2:37:46
But the lawyers had no idea that they were being directed from the spirit world.
2:37:50
And when I realized that that was going on, I, oh my gosh, I
2:37:53
can never tell these guys this.
2:37:54
'cause what?
2:37:54
It'll put them off their game.
2:37:55
But what happened was that, you know, us with the measly, you know, a
2:37:58
hundred thousand that we managed to, uh, raise up against DeBeers Diamonds.
2:38:06
The Bushman won
2:38:11
the largest land claim in African history, and then several more after
2:38:16
that and did indeed get to go home and did indeed see the whole process
2:38:21
through, um, no psychotropics involved.
2:38:26
Then a few years ago, I was going through a rather difficult.
2:38:30
Period.
2:38:31
And I was experiencing a lot of fear and it was beginning to take over.
2:38:37
And I was with a healer I know in the Americas who
2:38:41
heals in the Lakota tradition.
2:38:43
And there they do use a psychotropic, they use peyote, um, which is partly,
2:38:50
you know, dimethyltryptamine, DMT, strongest hallucinogen known to man.
2:38:55
And he said, Rupert, I can just see we were in a sweat lodge.
2:38:58
And I'd done that before, sweating through.
2:39:00
He said, I can see you need medicine, you know?
2:39:02
And I was like, no, I do.
2:39:04
The last thing I need right now is I'm just clinging onto
2:39:06
my sanity by my fingernails.
2:39:08
The last thing I need is some kind of psychotropic drug is ripper.
2:39:11
How long have you known me?
2:39:11
You know, do you feel I'm a professional or not?
2:39:14
Good?
2:39:15
Fine.
2:39:16
You know, so he says, I'll give you, you know, the dosage
2:39:19
I think that you should have.
2:39:20
And what was so interesting was I.
2:39:23
After a while, I became aware of like a little red laser that
2:39:26
you might see in a PowerPoint.
2:39:28
Mm-hmm.
2:39:28
Going through my body and stopping at areas where I had stiffness and pain.
2:39:33
Oh.
2:39:33
And it would go b
2:39:36
beep, and then it would move on and the pain would, at that place would be gone.
2:39:39
And then a certain point it crossed into my brain and it
2:39:43
started going around my brain.
2:39:45
And everywhere it was finding fear and anxiety.
2:39:47
It would stop and go B,
2:39:51
you know, and it would be gone.
2:39:53
And like it was finding, you know, cortisol scarring effectively from
2:39:58
stress and taking that away, which we know oxytocin can do naturally, but this
2:40:03
was happening very, very, very quickly.
2:40:05
And I remember thinking, well, this is great, but you know, the drug's gonna
2:40:09
wear off and then it will all come back.
2:40:11
But it never did.
2:40:12
The healing was real and lasting.
2:40:16
But the reason I'm telling that story and then the stories from.
2:40:21
Previously when no medicine was involved is, I think, speaking to your point
2:40:30
where you've now been four years letting, let's say the plant medicine because
2:40:37
MDMA is effectively a plant derivative or, or, uh, you know, synthesize drugs
2:40:45
are effectively plant derivatives.
2:40:47
And now you're finding, oh, actually I no longer need that to access.
2:40:54
Right.
2:40:54
The, and you know, and even though it doesn't mean I'm gonna reject it, I
2:40:58
will still continue to do those things, but I know it, it's done its job
2:41:02
for having provided me the, the, the way through the window, if you like.
2:41:06
Would you say that that's
2:41:07
Ralf Daab: true?
2:41:08
Yeah, exactly.
2:41:08
Exactly.
2:41:09
It goes faster.
2:41:10
I mean, there are different ways to, and everybody can find, they should
2:41:12
find their own own way to, to get there.
2:41:15
Um, it's just a little faster, I would say, you know, it's.
2:41:21
You can do it like one day, basically a journey.
2:41:24
And when you do other things, you have to train it, you have to
2:41:27
like, yeah, really get into it.
2:41:28
It can take hours or like weeks, decades or decades, you know, you could get
2:41:33
there, but it takes a long, longer time.
2:41:35
So with, with MA or maybe other things like, uh, mushrooms.
2:41:39
And so it, it gets faster because, you know, there's nothing you can do.
2:41:42
You just, it's gonna act on the way it's gonna happen that way.
2:41:46
Yeah, right.
2:41:47
So, um, it's basically, you know, just to bring the body to, to
2:41:54
produce more dopamine, you know, or certainly, you know, so, but yeah.
2:41:59
But a lot of people are afraid or they're like, um, don't want to take
2:42:03
drugs, you know, of course, you know, maybe, uh, self-control, whatever.
2:42:08
And they always say like, you know, drugs, what is drugs?
2:42:11
You know, like medicine is, it's all drugs and it's as a therapy, it, it helps.
2:42:17
I mean, like, it's, it's proven, you know?
2:42:19
So, um.
2:42:21
Post-traumatic traumas.
2:42:22
You know, in other countries like Australia, it's legal now they, they
2:42:25
do it and, uh, they're working on it.
2:42:27
I think also in the u in US and even in Europe.
2:42:30
So it takes some years, but then it will be, for therapy, it will be legalized.
2:42:36
MDMA, right?
2:42:37
MDMA.
2:42:38
Yeah.
2:42:38
MDA.
2:42:39
And of course it used to be.
2:42:40
Used to be, used to be.
2:42:41
So, um, yeah.
2:42:44
But there are different ways and everybody can find their, their own way.
2:42:47
And it should be, it is no dogma.
2:42:49
It's no dogma to say you have to do this to get there, you know, so.
2:42:52
Right.
2:42:53
Rupert Isaacson: Um, it, it's also interesting that you talk about Kundalini,
2:42:56
because the Bushman have a, a similar idea, you know, Kundalini's supposed to
2:43:01
reside at the base of your spine, right?
2:43:02
Mm-hmm.
2:43:02
And it's a life force, a sexual energy that you can, um, begin to manipulate
2:43:08
the Bushman colic mum and forward slash.
2:43:14
Um, the forward slash is that click that, and mum is one of those,
2:43:19
uh, untranslatable words, which it can mean power, this type of life
2:43:24
force wisdom can mean many things.
2:43:28
Um, but they, what they do is they over years of training, learn how
2:43:33
to boil the, in their stomach, bring it into their stomach and boil it.
2:43:39
And the dance does this, and you'll see them get incredibly hot.
2:43:44
Wow.
2:43:44
And if you touch them, they're incredibly hot, but they'll even, they'll try
2:43:47
to cool themselves in the fire.
2:43:50
So they'll actually take swallow coals.
2:43:52
I've seen that many times.
2:43:53
Or lay in the fire, come up, unburned.
2:43:56
Very good.
2:43:56
Um, and then when the womb is boiling, which is very painful in the
2:44:01
early stages, when they're younger healers, they'll often faint or.
2:44:05
Sometimes they would say die and have to be brought back.
2:44:08
But as they get older, they learn how to ride it.
2:44:10
And then this is when they can not just be in the spirit world and do
2:44:15
what they need to do, but they can pull things out of people or put
2:44:17
things into people that are needed.
2:44:20
So it's clear that these things are as old as humanity because
2:44:25
the San are, the bushman are the oldest known culture on the planet.
2:44:30
And so the quest for the altered state of consciousness seems to be built
2:44:35
into our DNA, um, that to play with consciousness, which is why I think in
2:44:42
the past we've made, had the arrogance as humans to think we are the only ones
2:44:46
with consciousness, which now I think we're realizing clearly isn't true.
2:44:49
But because we're conscious of our consciousness in a certain way,
2:44:52
if you like, we're self-conscious, we have a great desire to.
2:44:58
Communicate with it, I think, and through it, and use it as medicine
2:45:02
and answer dilemmas through it.
2:45:04
And I, uh, as you say, whichever way you do it, um, there is no
2:45:11
one way but to be on that path.
2:45:15
Seems to be important for human happiness.
2:45:18
Yeah.
2:45:18
Would you not
2:45:18
Ralf Daab: agree?
2:45:19
Yeah, absolutely.
2:45:19
Yes.
2:45:20
You on certain, like one path to your own path, and then be curious, you know,
2:45:24
like go there and there, try things out, you know, like what I did like,
2:45:29
uh, following like some people like a podcast and then say, okay, that's good.
2:45:32
I, I, you know, now I follow somebody else or read other books or do
2:45:37
a seminar on, uh, meditation or the gong meditation, for example.
2:45:41
Just try things out, you know, and then you feel like when your body, or when
2:45:44
your consciousness, or when your spirit like reacts and what, what's best for you.
2:45:49
So, and like being on a path that's the most beautiful thing.
2:45:53
It is like, and uh, to, to, to experience new things.
2:45:57
To meet new people.
2:45:58
And it is, it is kind of like you, you meet other people, you meet
2:46:01
people who are also on their path.
2:46:03
You know, you, you connect very fast.
2:46:06
And, uh, um, and that's, that's the great thing about, uh, you know, being on the.
2:46:13
On the journey.
2:46:14
On the path.
2:46:15
And, uh, but as I said in the beginning is you have to let things go, you know?
2:46:19
Um, that's the other part I I seeing or meeting a lot of people.
2:46:23
They do a lot of things.
2:46:24
They, they, they go every, every day or three, four days a week, they go
2:46:29
to yoga and they do a lot things, but they still in the same environment.
2:46:33
There's still same jobs.
2:46:34
They're stressed, you know, they, they, they, you know, of course it's difficult
2:46:38
to leave everything, but, um, kind of like you have to like, kind of, you know, let
2:46:42
things go in order to receive new things.
2:46:46
You have to make room for new things.
2:46:48
Rupert Isaacson: It seems though that that process is almost built in.
2:46:51
Um, and I think a lot of people find this rather alarmingly, you know, when
2:46:57
they first get involved in this type of way of life, things can fall apart
2:47:05
very fast and that can be very traumatic at first, even though they may, they
2:47:09
are things that actually you look.
2:47:12
Back over a couple of years and you go, oh yeah, actually
2:47:14
I needed to let all that go.
2:47:16
Um, and I probably would've just clung onto it forever if it hadn't, if I
2:47:21
hadn't been literally picked up by a pair of forceps and placed over there.
2:47:25
Um, however painful that was, and I'd say it seems that you've gone through
2:47:29
something like this rather recently, because when I first met you, um,
2:47:34
you were, you know, living in vs.
2:47:38
Barden, which is
2:47:40
a nice town, it's a wealthy town, um, nice apartment, um, still very much in
2:47:49
the publishing life, et cetera, et cetera.
2:47:53
Then you went through something of disruption, um, about six months ago.
2:48:02
Um, and I remember and, and now you're living in this, in
2:48:08
an apartment in this castle.
2:48:10
Rather, rather romantic, um, in a very, very beautiful part of the countryside in
2:48:15
Germany that I know where you are and I know how beautiful the nature is there.
2:48:20
And it's interesting you've been sending me these, uh, pictures
2:48:24
on WhatsApp of, of the nature, and I'm like, ah, he's found it.
2:48:28
'cause one of the things which I was noticing through your story, um, and
2:48:31
they, you know, when, whether it was you, uh, working for Chen or you as the, uh,
2:48:38
Persian person showing people beauty, the, this is all about human beauty and things
2:48:44
that were made by humans and you know, Chen also fashion and models and that
2:48:51
kind of physical human beauty and as well.
2:48:54
But what I feel is often missing from all of that is nature.
2:48:59
Um, and of course the greatest beauty, of course, is always nature.
2:49:02
And that's why we, we react and respond to beauty in the way that we do because
2:49:06
nature is beautiful and nature is what we're supposed to be surrounded by.
2:49:10
And people actually, people are very beautiful.
2:49:12
Um, inside from doubt.
2:49:14
We're a very loving species.
2:49:15
Right.
2:49:16
You know, it's, it, so it's interesting to me that finally,
2:49:19
you know, in the last six months, there you are in nature by another.
2:49:24
Mm-hmm.
2:49:24
Mm-hmm.
2:49:25
You know, you, those of you who are watching this on YouTube, you, it looks
2:49:29
like, well obviously we're, we're, we're talking across by Zoom in Ralph's
2:49:32
apartment within that castle, but I know what's outside that window and I know
2:49:37
that you're out in that nature now and you've really simplified, you've sort of
2:49:40
gone from, you know, home ownership and real estate and all of that stuff now
2:49:46
to saying, no, no, I'm gonna minimalize and I'm just gonna have this small
2:49:51
apartment to spend most of my time in nature while still working as a publisher.
2:49:55
Ralf Daab: Right.
2:49:55
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's interesting to me,
2:49:57
Ralf Daab: and one thing is also like, uh, talking about, you know, when I
2:50:00
said the, the, the, the salt in the Persia, you know, show the beauty.
2:50:04
Uh, what I realize now, it's not only it was back then or still is sometimes of
2:50:10
course with the books to show the beauty outside, but it's also like, my purpose
2:50:15
is also to show the beauty in people.
2:50:17
Mm-hmm.
2:50:17
To help people to go on their path to, to develop or show their own beauty.
2:50:23
And that's also, you know, one thing I'm gonna do in the future to help
2:50:27
people, uh, to show their own beauty because every person is beautiful.
2:50:35
So, and then how.
2:50:39
Well, but, um, yeah, with seminars, with, uh, you know, I did like, uh, coaching,
2:50:44
um, um, as a neuroscience coaching.
2:50:48
I have like a certificate, whatever you call it, you know, and then I did,
2:50:51
uh, meditation, spiritual, and I'm doing a kundalini, uh, practicing.
2:50:56
So things like put it together, but also my.
2:51:00
Strength is what I can do really good is like bring people together.
2:51:04
Mm-hmm.
2:51:04
So, you know, the funny thing is, like a year ago I was still in Spartan,
2:51:08
I was in rgo, which is beautiful, you know, the wine area with wines.
2:51:13
And so, and I was standing there and said like, ah, well this is beautiful.
2:51:16
This is beautiful and, and good energy for me.
2:51:18
And it's like I would live in a place like here, like where you can live,
2:51:22
but also where you can do seminars, you know, like a house or so.
2:51:26
And now I'm no longer at Beach Spot, but I'm here now and I have, I found a place.
2:51:31
It's incredible.
2:51:32
Rupert Isaacson: Can you, can you do seminars now
2:51:34
Ralf Daab: in Yes.
2:51:35
This, here they're, they event place, they're weddings are here,
2:51:39
seminars here, there's a big space terrace outside Nature.
2:51:44
It is a perfect place for seminars.
2:51:46
So we can, we start doing like in, in four weeks, we have a seminar here I'm
2:51:50
organizing, so I bring people here.
2:51:52
That's, you know, uh, organized things, festivals.
2:51:55
I wanted to do a festival here, music festival overlooking
2:51:58
here, the Rhine Valley.
2:51:59
It's, it's just incredible.
2:52:00
So can you imagine like a year before, like last year or,
2:52:06
or it was more than a year.
2:52:07
I mean, last year was, and I had this vision and now I'm here and I
2:52:12
can do it, and it's, it's happening.
2:52:16
So it's not, you know, I had to, had to leave things in v spot and,
2:52:21
you know, also the relationship.
2:52:24
But now everything can come and can, you know, organize.
2:52:30
I'm not looking for a relationship now, but never know.
2:52:33
But everything is can happen now.
2:52:34
So.
2:52:36
And you're still
2:52:37
Rupert Isaacson: publishing?
2:52:38
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:52:39
Yeah.
2:52:39
Rupert Isaacson: So listen, if people want to read your
2:52:41
book, um, there you are again.
2:52:44
Um, yeah.
2:52:45
How do they find it?
2:52:46
Ralf Daab: Well, there's a, there's a website.
2:52:48
It's called um, books.buy.
2:52:50
It's a print on demand website.
2:52:52
Mm-hmm.
2:52:52
Website.
2:52:52
It's actually based, the company's based in Australia, but it's all over the world.
2:52:56
And they can place order, uh, print on demand.
2:52:59
So it's free shipping worldwide.
2:53:03
Um, you can place the order, you can order the book and they find a
2:53:07
printer near you, like someplace.
2:53:09
Let's say when you order here, maybe in Germany or France, and they ship it to
2:53:13
you free, free shipping, free of charge.
2:53:16
It's, I think it's 20.
2:53:17
And that's in
2:53:17
Rupert Isaacson: English, obviously.
2:53:18
That's the English.
2:53:18
Yeah, of course in English.
2:53:20
There you are again.
2:53:21
English book, that book.
2:53:22
Stop by.
2:53:22
So people go to book, book start by slash
2:53:25
Ralf Daab: HHOL.
2:53:26
You can put it maybe slash HOL living.
2:53:29
HOL.
2:53:30
Yeah.
2:53:33
Rupert Isaacson: Great.
2:53:34
And then they would look for, there you are again.
2:53:37
Ralf Daab: Right.
2:53:37
It's on there.
2:53:38
You can.
2:53:39
They can buy it, they free shipping and then they can read.
2:53:42
So yeah.
2:53:43
And
2:53:43
Rupert Isaacson: if people want to reach, reach out to you and want to be,
2:53:46
you know, well, they, they could send email questions about their own healing
2:53:49
or wanna be part of your seminars or come visit Yeah, they could contact
2:53:52
Ralf Daab: me.
2:53:53
Yeah.
2:53:53
How do they contact you?
2:53:55
Well, there's, uh, by email's best like ralph@highonliving.com.
2:54:00
Rupert Isaacson: So R-A-L-P-H Ralph, no FF with an F right in the German way.
2:54:05
RALF at
2:54:07
Ralf Daab: Hi.
2:54:08
Hi.
2:54:08
On living.com.
2:54:10
High on
2:54:11
Rupert Isaacson: living.com.
2:54:14
Ralph, with an F.
2:54:15
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:54:16
Rupert Isaacson: High on living.com,
2:54:18
right?
2:54:18
Yeah.
2:54:18
Reach, reach out to Ralph listeners.
2:54:20
He's, he's, yeah, please do.
2:54:22
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:54:22
Uh, yeah.
2:54:23
And come up here like, if you visit, uh, Germany or near
2:54:27
Cologne, you cannot up be here.
2:54:28
Yeah.
2:54:28
Hiking.
2:54:29
It's, it's a beautiful place.
2:54:31
Rupert Isaacson: Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run up the, uh, a three.
2:54:35
Yeah.
2:54:35
Come, come here.
2:54:36
Right.
2:54:37
Take exit bat.
2:54:38
Ralf Daab: Bat exit.
2:54:39
Lin.
2:54:40
You're right here.
2:54:40
So bad Ho.
2:54:41
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, I know exactly where that is.
2:54:43
We help someone buy a horse from Bad Ho.
2:54:45
Uh, yeah, it's right here.
2:54:46
Great horse.
2:54:47
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:54:49
Ralf Daab: They're up here.
2:54:49
They're 50 horses up here, so see them in the morning when they come out the stalls
2:54:54
and like run and run and, and I, yeah.
2:54:57
Well, maybe we'll do something with
2:54:59
Rupert Isaacson: horses together then.
2:55:00
Yeah.
2:55:00
Yeah.
2:55:00
It should come.
2:55:01
That's, it's really wonderful.
2:55:02
Okay.
2:55:04
All right, Rael, thank you so much.
2:55:06
Well, thank you, Rupert.
2:55:08
It's been a, been a, yeah.
2:55:10
Wonderful journey.
2:55:11
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:55:11
Great, great.
2:55:14
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
2:55:14
So any last words of wisdom before I click off the record?
2:55:21
Ralf Daab: Last word of wisdom.
2:55:22
Well, I would say it's all energy.
2:55:25
It's Albert Einstein.
2:55:26
It is all energy.
2:55:27
And that's what I feel now.
2:55:29
I.
2:55:30
Going through all these journeys for the last four years is
2:55:32
basically even with my plan.
2:55:34
My plan, when you see it here, it was like this tall, basically in, in this button.
2:55:39
It didn't grow, but it didn't die.
2:55:41
But here it's growing like fast.
2:55:43
I went a beautiful, so I know I'm at the right place because
2:55:47
plant is feeling good, you know?
2:55:49
Rupert Isaacson: So it's all energy.
2:55:51
Ralf Daab: Yeah, it's
2:55:51
Rupert Isaacson: all energy.
2:55:54
That's right.
2:55:54
As Nicola Tesla said, also, I think, um, if you want to know the secrets of
2:55:58
the universe, you have to think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.
2:56:03
Yeah, exactly.
2:56:04
And it seems that, well, I guess every electronic device we use goes back to him.
2:56:08
So Yeah.
2:56:10
Clearly these guys had, you know, yeah.
2:56:15
Had something.
2:56:16
All right, well, all right.
2:56:17
Parallel universes, um, vertical timelines.
2:56:23
Medicines to help us radically shift our viewpoints.
2:56:27
By the way, that, that's something I, I, I wanted just to throw in there.
2:56:31
I was looking at the neuroscience of, um, of, uh, psychotropics and
2:56:36
it does seem that what happens with people is massively, massively, um,
2:56:44
augmented, uh, neuron new neural pathway development when these happen.
2:56:50
'cause of course it's also new, similar to what you get with novel movement,
2:56:53
novel ways of moving, BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor, which
2:56:58
normally you only get through movement.
2:57:00
Um, it seems that this can be massively boosted with the use of psychotropics.
2:57:05
And I guess our ancestors must have known this.
2:57:08
Yeah, of course.
2:57:09
Um, yeah.
2:57:10
Maybe that's that thing of allowing us to see mm-hmm.
2:57:13
What we can't normally see.
2:57:15
So there you are again.
2:57:17
There you go.
2:57:18
Buy it from books.
2:57:18
Stop by slash HOL.
2:57:22
Give Ralph an email at rlf@highonliving.com.
2:57:28
Yeah, I guess we'll see you on the next looking forward.
2:57:30
Ralf Daab: Yeah.
2:57:32
Yeah.
2:57:32
See you soon.
2:57:34
Thank you for coming on.
2:57:35
Thank you for having me.