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Set 2: Mt. Rushmore of Broadcasters (w/ Bob Costas) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: It is Stugatz & Company presented by FanDuel and the
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  Speaker 1: FanDuel Sportsbook.
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  Speaker 2: I am very excited. You guys excited? A legend.
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  Speaker 1: A legend going to join us in about 10 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Costas going to join us on the show. Mikey
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  Speaker 1: A is shaking his head yes.
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  Speaker 2: He is excited.
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  Speaker 1: Taylor is Kind of shrugging his shoulders. What's going on there, Taylor?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm excited for Bob Costas. Bob Costas, when you
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  Speaker 3: think Bob Costas, I mean, he's on the Mount Rushmore broadcasting,
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is. There's no question about it. He is
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  Speaker 2: along with Al Michaels. Go ahead, Mikey.
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  Speaker 4: I'm curious what Bob Costas thinks of when he thinks
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  Speaker 4: Bob Costas, because I had mentioned the other day that
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  Speaker 4: we were having him on. And three people are like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I would love to ask him about. And they all
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  Speaker 4: named something different.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm just curious what he sees himself identified as.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think? It has to be baseball, right? Baseball.
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  Speaker 2: He's identified as... Baseball.
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  Speaker 5: Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: Olympics, NBA, NBC.
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  Speaker 6: And he's called... One of the biggest Super Bowls of
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  Speaker 6: all time.
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  Speaker 2: He did. Bob Costas is baseball. He presides over baseball.
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  Speaker 3: The B in Bob Costas stands for baseball. I think
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  Speaker 3: if Bob Costas had a power rank himself, he would
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  Speaker 3: go baseball one, Olympics two, everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Put it on the poll.
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  Speaker 6: The O in Bob stands for Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for cutting me off. Put it on the poll.
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  Speaker 2: Does the B in Bob stand for baseball? And does
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  Speaker 2: the O in Bob stand for Olympics?
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  Speaker 3: So, Stu, Bob Costas, we have him on the Mount
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  Speaker 3: Rushmore of broadcasters. Yes. You would also have him on
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  Speaker 3: the Mount Rushmore of Syracuse, right?
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  Speaker 2: Syracuse University?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So he attended Syracuse, but he didn't graduate. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: wondering if that's a caveat for you.
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  Speaker 2: He left early. Went pro. He left for the Olympics
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  Speaker 2: early and for baseball and for broadcasting.
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  Speaker 3: What a successful story for dropouts. If you could point
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  Speaker 3: to Bob Costas as your model.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Bring it up to him when he joins us.
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  Speaker 1: Ask him why he dropped out early. He couldn't cut it.
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  Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of Syracuse. Mike Tirico now has to be
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  Speaker 1: on the Mount Rushmore. Of Syracuse broadcasters, I think, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yes, yes. Who else would be?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, Kenny Albert went there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there were some big names. Marv Albert.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Newhouse School is named after Dick Clark,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Ian Eagle, Sean McDonough.
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  Speaker 2: It's a who's who.
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  Speaker 6: You know what you got to do?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 6: You got to play one table Syracuse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 6: With Bob Costas.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: One table Syracuse, Bob Costas, Costas' Steakhouse. Why is it
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  Speaker 1: always a steakhouse?
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  Speaker 3: That's a you thing, I think.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, come on.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's you.
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  Speaker 3: Toretta's I had is an Italian restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: You're right. I failed there. Costas' Steakhouse. Where are we
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  Speaker 2: putting it? Syracuse, New York.
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  Speaker 5: Syracuse.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and in walks Mike Tirico and Ian Eagle.
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  Speaker 3: And Damon Amendolara.
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  Speaker 6: And Greg Gordon.
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  Speaker 2: Who gets the table?
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  Speaker 6: This is what we're going to do with a hall
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  Speaker 6: of fame broadcaster.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Now we'll talk to him about baseball. It was a
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  Speaker 2: great game last night. The rays extend the series to
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  Speaker 2: a game, to a game five tonight.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll talk to Bob about that. Mikey has an
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  Speaker 1: NFL trade. I want to hear about, he thinks he
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  Speaker 1: has a good NFL trade. Mikey let's discuss.
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  Speaker 4: It's not, it's not necessarily a good end. It's just
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  Speaker 4: something I need to happen for the storylines in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: There are rumors circulating that, Of the Vikings trading for
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  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins once they make the move to Fernando Mendoza.
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  Speaker 4: And I kind of want Kirk to go back to Minnesota.
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  Speaker 4: I think they become, and being 6-0 already, I think
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  Speaker 4: they become an instant Super Bowl contender.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Can't this guy just settle on a quarterback? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback whisperer, Kevin O'Connell. He's trading away J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy. He let Sam Darnold go. Now he has Kyler Murray.
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  Speaker 2: He's undefeated. And he needs another quarterback? In the event
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  Speaker 2: that Kyler Murray can't cut it? I mean....
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  Speaker 4: Well, Kyler Murray can't cut it because it's too high.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but he's 6-0. I'm just saying, how many
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks does a quarterback whisperer need? If he was so
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  Speaker 1: good at his job, he would make the quarterback that
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  Speaker 1: he has every single time. He'd make them great, and
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  Speaker 1: he can't do it. So he keeps fishing for guys
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  Speaker 1: like Kirk Cousins. I do like the story, though.
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  Speaker 2: I have to be honest. 6-0. 6-0.
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  Speaker 6: He's doing something right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. This is being discussed, you're saying? This Kirk Cousins trade?
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  Speaker 5: This is actually.
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  Speaker 4: This is actually something that is in the rumor mill
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  Speaker 4: about players that could be on the move and who
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  Speaker 4: could potentially want them. Kirk Cousins, if they decide to
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  Speaker 4: move to Fernando Mendoza, would be one of those people.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor, how do you feel about it?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm looking for any verification that this is in
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  Speaker 3: the rumor mill because this has not crossed my desk yet.
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  Speaker 3: And the only thing I'm seeing on social media, Stu,
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  Speaker 3: is John Gruden thinks that the Vikings should call the Raiders.
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  Speaker 3: about a mid-season trade for Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 1: Well, all it takes is one person to talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: and then you have people talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. And if it's John Gruden, even better. Mikey,
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  Speaker 2: what's the matter?
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  Speaker 1: He's questioning whether.
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  Speaker 4: Taylor is literally... Yahoo Sports has it out there.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: NFLTradeRumors.com has it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a little hurt that Taylor doesn't just go with me,
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  Speaker 4: that he has to not only verify, but has to
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  Speaker 4: then say, oh, only John Gruden has it out there.
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  Speaker 4: As if, first off, as if John Gruden isn't enough
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  Speaker 4: to put it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 6: I'm seeing it at Yahoo Sports, NFLTradeRumors.com. Get off my back, Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: There was a time where if John Gruden said it,
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  Speaker 1: it would be a lot louder. I would have heard
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  Speaker 1: of it by now. I am defending you. I believe
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  Speaker 1: that you have heard people talking about it or read
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  Speaker 1: people writing about it.
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  Speaker 2: So I am defending you. I'm surprised Taylor is not.
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  Speaker 3: So I do like this trade from the Vikings perspective
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  Speaker 3: because you're looking at Minnesota. It feels like they have
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  Speaker 3: to make some kind of move to be more aggressive
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  Speaker 3: for their offense where You have what feels like a
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  Speaker 3: championship-level defense with Brian Flores as your defensive coordinator, and
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  Speaker 3: your offense is kind of just treading water in all
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  Speaker 3: these victories, whether it's going out and getting somebody like
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  Speaker 3: Tony Pollard from Tennessee, maybe pushing all your chips to
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  Speaker 3: the middle and getting somebody like Jonathan Taylor from the Colts,
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  Speaker 3: or if it's Kirk Cousins. I just don't see why
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders would make that move. I guess you're kind
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  Speaker 3: of looking at Kirk Cousins as just a rental.
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  Speaker 2: They drafted Mendoza, number one overall.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at some point, you got to turn it
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  Speaker 1: over to him, you know, and you don't need Kirk
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  Speaker 1: Cousins once you do it.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, Taylor, I didn't hear you. I was reading sportsillustrated.com,
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  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins to the Vikings.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Mikey, sportsillustrated.com is falling off a cliff.
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  Speaker 2: Just saying, when.
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  Speaker 4: You say the only person I'm seeing is John Gruden,
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  Speaker 4: I've now labeled four different outlets that are talking about this.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty sure ESPN has something.
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  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated has fallen drastically. They are the John Gruden
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  Speaker 1: of media outlets now.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: Sportsillustrated.com probably had an AI bot write that article, Mikey,
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  Speaker 3: that aggregated John Gruden's report.
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  Speaker 6: If AI's talking about it, then it might happen.
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  Speaker 2: SI, more like AI. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the things that used to be credible. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much. John Gruden, Sports Illustrated. You were fine
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  Speaker 1: at Yahoo. If Yahoo is discussing it, that's all. I
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  Speaker 1: cannot believe we've arrived in a world where Yahoo is
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  Speaker 1: more credible than Sports Illustrated and former NFL coach John Gruden.
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  Speaker 6: I just love the way you say Yahoo.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yahoo.
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  Speaker 2: Yahoo. Yahoo.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: How are you supposed to say it? Yahoo.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: On the topic of, you mentioned how so many quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: have left Minnesota and now are starting around the NFL
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  Speaker 3: where Kevin O'Connell gets these quarterbacks, and then he just
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  Speaker 3: passes on them to get the new shiny toy for
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  Speaker 3: KOC there in Minnesota. If you had to power rank
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  Speaker 3: the four former Minnesota quarterbacks right now, Kirk Cousins... Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, J.J.
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  Speaker 5: McCarthy.
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  Speaker 3: How would you power rank those four?
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  Speaker 1: I just got a note here. The Panthers are also
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  Speaker 1: discussing getting Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't even make sense.
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  Speaker 2: So the Panthers wire. I mean, the Panthers beat. People
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  Speaker 2: are talking. All right, give me the four again. Go ahead, Mikey.
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  Speaker 2: What do you have?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just reading Jeremy Fowler on ESPN talking about the
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  Speaker 4: potential of Kirk Cousins being a trade candidate for Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Just.
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  Speaker 6: As Taylor is looking up other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're getting somewhere. To the Vikings, though, or to
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  Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers, the Hurricanes? I was watching hockey last night.
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  Speaker 6: It lists the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It lists the Vikings. Give me those four quarterbacks again.
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  Speaker 1: The four former Viking quarterbacks that the quarterback whisperer, Kevin O'Connell,
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to make good.
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  Speaker 3: So, Kirk Cousins, the Raiders starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, the Seahawks starting quarterback. Daniel Jones, the Colts
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  Speaker 3: starting quarterback. And J.J. McCarthy, the Giants now starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: How would I rank those?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how would you rank those four quarterbacks?
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  Speaker 2: I would rank them.
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  Speaker 1: Darnold, one, won a Super Bowl with Seattle, Super Bowl champion.
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, two. J.J. McCarthy, three. Daniel Jones, four.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, clear four.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Without question.
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  Speaker 3: Without question.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a clear number four. And how the Colts signed
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  Speaker 2: him to a long-term extension.
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  Speaker 1: After he got injured halfway through the season I'm surprised
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  Speaker 1: anyone's still.
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  Speaker 3: There so now imagine we did this power ranking this
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  Speaker 3: time last year when the Colts were undefeated and Sam
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  Speaker 3: Darnold still hadn't won a Super Bowl and Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 3: was was floundering in Atlanta hmm.
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  Speaker 2: All right that changes things.
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  Speaker 6: Floundering. I don't think he even got off the ground
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  Speaker 6: in Atlanta that year.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And JJ was playing well, though, wasn't he? He
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  Speaker 2: was playing okay, right?
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  Speaker 3: I think he was on the bench last year.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So JJ would have been, well, damn.
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  Speaker 5: He was hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think Daniel Jones is number one.
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  Speaker 2: He's so proud of himself because he boxed me in.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: How quickly things change in the NFL. Daniel Jones would
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  Speaker 1: have been one. Darnold probably... So we're halfway through the season.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle's good and Darnold's playing well. I remember us discussing it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Seattle was good, but there was always questions about
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  Speaker 3: does Sam Darnold turn the ball over too much?
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  Speaker 2: So I go Jones, Cousin, Darnold, J.J. McCarthy.
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  Speaker 3: And now let's project this list out a year from
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  Speaker 3: now when J.J. McCarthy is the jet-starting quarterback after... leading
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  Speaker 3: the Giants to a playoff victory. I think J.J. McCarthy
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden becomes number one.
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  Speaker 1: Number two. Darnold won, unless J.J. wins a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: for the Giants. Darnold won, J.J. two, Kirk three, Jones four.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: What was the point of this exercise?
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  Speaker 3: Power ranking things. You can never go wrong power ranking things.
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  Speaker 6: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry for asking. Put it on the poll. Can
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  Speaker 2: you ever go wrong power ranking things? Bob Costas joins
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  Speaker 2: us next.
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  Speaker 1: He's been one of the defining voices in sports for generations,
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  Speaker 1: bringing us the biggest moments in baseball, the Olympics, and
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  Speaker 1: so many other major sporting events today. He continues to
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  Speaker 1: bring his knowledge and perspective to fans, Through NBC Sports
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  Speaker 1: and MLB Network, he's a master storyteller.
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  Speaker 2: I love him.
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  Speaker 1: He's Bob Costas, one of the greatest broadcasters of all time,
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  Speaker 1: and he joins us right now.
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  Speaker 2: Bob, thanks for doing this. We appreciate you coming on here.
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  Speaker 5: You gots, thanks. Maybe I should just walk out after
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  Speaker 5: that introduction. Just let that bring the curtain down. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We were debating, what do you... What's the first thing
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  Speaker 1: on the resume for Bob Costas? What do you fancy
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  Speaker 1: yourself as? Because we were saying it's baseball without question, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess baseball, the Olympics would be a close second.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the Olympics brings whoever the host is, Mike
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  Speaker 5: Tirico now, and he's doing an outstanding job. It brings
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  Speaker 5: us to the widest possible audience. I hear a lot
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  Speaker 5: over the years, and I bet you that Tirico has
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  Speaker 5: heard it and Jim McKay in the past heard it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not that much of a sports fan, but I
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  Speaker 5: love the Olympics. So you're talking to hardcore sports fans
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  Speaker 5: who know you from the NBA and baseball and the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: but you're also talking to people who really don't watch
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  Speaker 5: sports outside the context of the Olympics. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: whole different kind of approach. Jim McKay told me when
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  Speaker 5: I was on the verge of hosting my first Olympics, remember,
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  Speaker 5: it's a number of things, including it's a primetime miniseries,
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  Speaker 5: which it really is. It's a travelogue. It's a global event.
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  Speaker 5: And most of these events, let's face it, you put
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  Speaker 5: the pole vault on in June in a non-Olympic year
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  Speaker 5: on a Saturday afternoon, it's not going to get much
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  Speaker 5: of a rating. But if an American is involved or
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  Speaker 5: the Catalan or whatever it is, people are transfixed by
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  Speaker 5: that because it's the Olympics. So you got to take
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  Speaker 5: an entirely different approach. It's almost not fair to compare
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  Speaker 5: that to others. But now the answer, the long-winded answer
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  Speaker 5: ends with, yes, baseball's my favorite, but hey- The NBA
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  Speaker 5: in the Jordan era in the 90s on NBC?
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  Speaker 2: Pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Hard to beat that.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to beat that indeed. Did you find yourself feeling bad?
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  Speaker 1: I know you try to stay neutral, Bob, but as
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  Speaker 1: a baseball fan, did you find yourself feeling bad for
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  Speaker 1: Brewer fans last night? I'm excited we get more baseball,
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  Speaker 1: but they were three outs away from winning that World Series, man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, three outs away, but it's not as crushing because
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  Speaker 5: they've got such a cushion and they got Mizorowski going tonight. Right.
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  Speaker 5: And should they lose, if you're just looking for storylines...
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  Speaker 5: Assuming a Brewer victory here, ultimately, if they should lose tonight,
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  Speaker 5: then they win it at home. They win it under
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  Speaker 5: the watchful gaze of the Bob Euchre statue and the
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  Speaker 5: whole thing. In that sense, it's even better.
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  Speaker 3: Bob, I know they lost yesterday, but are you surprised
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  Speaker 3: by how easy the Brewers have made this postseason look
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  Speaker 3: up until this point?
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  Speaker 5: A little bit. But remember, the National League, with all
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  Speaker 5: due respect to the Rays, who won 98 games. But
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  Speaker 5: the National League is much stronger at present than the
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  Speaker 5: American League. So the Brewers won 103 in the National League,
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  Speaker 5: and the Brewers swept the two-time defending champion Dodgers. Now,
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  Speaker 5: a number of the games that they've won were close,
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  Speaker 5: against the Padres, against the Dodgers, they had to come
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  Speaker 5: back from four down. Of the four games in this series,
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  Speaker 5: there was the blowout in game three, and the other
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  Speaker 5: three games are one-run games. So it isn't as if
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  Speaker 5: the Brewers are crushing the opposition. but they have only
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  Speaker 5: lost two games in this postseason. So they were the
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  Speaker 5: best team in baseball throughout the regular season, and they've
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  Speaker 5: been the best team in October.
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  Speaker 1: Bob, big picture here. Where do you think we're headed
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  Speaker 1: in terms of labor negotiations? You have two small market
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  Speaker 1: teams in the World Series. The Dodgers didn't make it,
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  Speaker 1: but they made it to the NLCS. But we still
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  Speaker 1: have a system where the Brewers will never trade for
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  Speaker 1: Tariq Scooble. The Dodgers will always go and get Scooble.
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  Speaker 1: So where do you think we're headed here, big picture,
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  Speaker 1: with baseball?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and in fairness, as resourceful as the Brewers have been,
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  Speaker 5: and you have to give teams like the Brewers and
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: the Rays and the Guardians a whole lot of credit
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: for that, everyone knows that when Contreras' contract comes up,
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: the Brewers, even if they're world champions at the time,
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: probably can't keep him. Can they keep Terang? He's under contract,
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: I think, to the end of the decade. But ultimately,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: they traded Freddy Peralta not because they wanted to get
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: rid of him, but because they knew they couldn't keep
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: him in free agency. The Mets can sign anybody they want,
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: but apparently they can't make good use of everybody they
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: sign because Peralta was terrible with the Mets. And then
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, with the exception of his World
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Series outing this week, he's been terrific with the Rays.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: So when you look at the Brewers, they're already planning.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: They've got a great farm system. They're already looking ahead.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Can we keep this guy? Can we keep that guy?
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: We know they have Cooper Pratt, who was a rookie
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: and hit what could have been the World Series winning
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: home run last night. We know they have him for
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: a number of years. But that's part of life, to
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: your point, when you're the Brewers, when you're the Rays.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: And that is disconcerting to a fan base when they know, hey,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: we can't keep our guys, no matter how much we
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: love them and no matter how well they've done, the
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: bigger money is someplace else. And that's part of what
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: this upcoming labor battle is going to be about. Everybody
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: knows there will be a lockout on December 1st, and
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: everybody expects it to last a long time. And I
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: don't think anybody who's followed it would be surprised if
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: a sizable number of games aren't lost next season. But
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I've been saying this since mid-season, and maybe you guys
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: have too. If the Yankees had met the Dodgers, let's say,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: in the World Series, it would have strengthened the owner's
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: argument about the need for a salary cap and floor
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: in the court of public opinion. But now when three
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: of the four teams are small market, low payroll teams,
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: three of the four in the LCS, and both of
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: them The World Series are small market teams. In the
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: court of public opinion, it helps the players associations argument.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: But the truth is, the arguments are going to be
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: the same once they roll up their sleeves and sit
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: down at the bargaining table.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Bob, I've wondered this for a while. I'm not certain
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I've ever asked you this. You make it look so easy.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: You make it sound so easy when you're calling games.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering, the most nervous Bob Casas has
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: been before calling a big game. Do you get nervous
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: before calling big games?
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: You know, in truth, I got a little nervous the
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: last couple of seasons with TBS when I wasn't making
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: it look so easy. You get to a point where
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: it crests, and it doesn't quite turn out the way
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: it almost always used to. Prior to that, I think
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: I was certainly nervous the first time I went on
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: the air for NBC in 1980. I was 28 years old,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and it looked like I was 15. And outside St. Louis,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: nobody knew who Well, it was. And so I was
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: trying too hard to sound authoritative. And I've come across
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: on YouTube people who sent me, like, here's a game
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: between LSU and Kentucky that you called with Al McGuire
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: and Billy Packer. And I hadn't even thought about this
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: in more than 40 years. And I'm watching it, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking, you know what? On a certain level... this
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Costas kid was damn good because I didn't stumble. I
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: had all the information, but I'm trying to sound like
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: I'm older and more authoritative. So it was, I'm a wildcat.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Come out on the back court. What the hell am I,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: Ted Baxter? So, so I knew, looking back at that,
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: I realized that I was, I was not a hundred
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: percent confident. Guys like Packer and McGuire made me feel
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: confident because they didn't act like, who's this kid? Where's
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Dick Enberg? They were really supportive.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: You know, what, McGuire always had nicknames for people if
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: he liked you. And he immediately dubbed me Yellow Pages
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: because he thought I had to sit on a couple
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: of phone books to see up over the microphone. But
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I had a little bit of success. By the time
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: I had a year under my belt, I wasn't nervous anymore.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: But then I was nervous again. the first time I
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: hosted primetime in the Olympics, which is 1992 in Barcelona.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I knew that I was a pretty accomplished broadcaster, but
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: I also knew I was following in the footsteps of
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Jim McKay and that this was, as I mentioned earlier,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: a very much different audience, almost global audience, And I
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: didn't want to mess it up and luckily it went okay.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: In an odd way, the nickname Yellow Pages made you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: feel good, made you feel part of the.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Family, right?
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, look, it is what it is.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I'd rather be 5'6. I now cop to 5'6. Because
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: I used to be 5'6 and 5'8. That's what it was.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: And so I rounded it up fairly to 5'7, right?
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: But now you lose a little as you get older.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: And it's like five, six and a quarter.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: So to be honest, I got to, I got to,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: you know, round it down, but I'd rather be five,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: six or five, seven and in reasonably good shape.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Six feet tall and walking around with a gun. Plus
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: they kept putting me on TV. So what's the problem? Yes.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Bob, I've been saying five, 10, my entire life. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: am the furthest thing from five, 10.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: So. You're entitled. You're entitled.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: I have permission.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Bill Walton never wanted to be listed as seven feet,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: even though he probably was. He thought that sounded like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what made him seem, I
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: don't want to use it as a disparaging word, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: it made him uncomfortable to be listed at seven feet,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: which he really was. And so he always had himself
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: listed at 6'11. Yes, it's funny.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Bob, when you're hosting primetime in the Olympics in 92,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that must have felt like reaching the pinnacle of sports broadcasting.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: What's the furthest away you ever felt from that moment
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: at a sporting event?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Hmm, interesting.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: The furthest, like this isn't the pinnacle?
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like where am I?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, I'm Bob Costas. What am I doing here?
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: You know, that's worth considering, isn't it? You know, once
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I got to NBC... You know, I got only, you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: once I was established, I only got plum assignments.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't that associated with hockey, even though
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: I did minor league hockey when I was still in
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: college in the old Eastern League. But when NBC got
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the winter classic, I brought it on the air from Buffalo.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: The great Doc Emmerich is calling it, but I brought
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: it on the air.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: And I wasn't that much of a horse racing expert,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: but I knew how to host a big event. And
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: so when they got the Kentucky Derby, I hosted the
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Derby for like 15 years. or 16 years. But what
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: I always was careful to do, I never pretended to
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: expertise I didn't have. And I said to the producers,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: for example, at the Derby, I can paint a big
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: picture for you. And I can do interviews for you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: But I'm not going to pick up the racing form
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: and start talking to Jerry Bailey about why I like
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: this horse in the Derby. Because even if I memorized
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: something that would sound OK, I'd be BSing the audience.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: And I think that helped me. Whenever I was in
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: an area, and inevitably you wind up with that in
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: the Olympics, I'm not a figure skating expert. I'm not
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: an expert at any of those individual sports for the
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: most part, but that wasn't my role. It wasn't Jim
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: McKay's role. It's not Tariqo's role now. My role was
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: to paint a big picture and be a good generalist,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: to know the history of the Olympics, to know the
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: background of the host nation and city, and to be
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: familiar with the events that were most likely to be
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: on in prime time and the two dozen or so Olympians,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: be they Americans or not, who are most likely to
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: be the focus in prime time. And the other facility
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: you have to have is inevitably something not expected is
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: going to happen. The researchers are great, and it's even
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: quicker now. Back when I started with thick binders of research,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: and now it's all at your fingertips on a laptop.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: So if somebody bursts through and does an incredible thing
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: that I've never heard of, boom, they give it to me.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: And what you have to be able to do is
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: in five minutes, look at this, make some sense of it,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: and turn it into a narrative. That's a skill that
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: the Olympic Coast has to have. McKay had it. Tirico
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: had it. I hope that I had it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Has it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Tirico has it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Few have been better at it, Bob.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Do you watch, like the rest of us, when you're
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: watching USA Canada play hockey, do you, like the rest
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of us, sit at home and marvel at what a
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: great job Mike Tirico and Kenny Albert are doing during
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that broadcast?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I do. I am a fan of good broadcastings.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: You know, I guess there's probably a handful of people
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: in the business who look at others who do similar
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: things as rivals or they don't root for them to succeed.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: I've never had a thimble's worth of that feeling about anybody.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: I was always very respectful of those who preceded me,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: and I hope that I've been encouraging and helpful, if
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: they asked, to those who followed me. There are so
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: many good young baseball announcers now, and they are better
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: than than I was the last few years. They're not
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: necessarily better than I was in the 80s, 90s, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: early 2000s, maybe as good. But I recognize that it's
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: no longer my time. But watching Joe Davis or Kevin
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Brown or Brian Anderson, I'm leaving some people out who
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: are very, very good young broadcasters, and I'm happy for them.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: And same thing, Mike Tirico got the first Bob Costa
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: scholarship at Syracuse University in 1987. And I flew up
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: to Syracuse to meet him because I wanted to make
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: sure that the first recipient was a knucklehead. And it
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: turned out he was anything but a knucklehead. He turns
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: out to be one of the best network television broadcasters ever.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: So I'm happy that I passed the baton to him. And,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: you know, he's not the same as I was. I
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: wasn't the same as Jim McKay was. There's overlap. But
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: if you try to copy somebody else, then it's never
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: good because you become a pale imitation of the other guy.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: So we were each good in our own way. Some
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: of it is inevitably the same because the duties do overlap.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: But if there isn't something distinctive about the way you
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: do it, then you're not going to last very long.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Bob, so my daughter just graduated from Syracuse University. I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: did the show from the Newhouse School. They let me
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in there, Bob. I finally made it to Newhouse. They
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: allowed me inside the facility. Did they pat you down first?
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Did they make you go through a magnetometer?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But I also realized, man, if I had teachers and
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: facilities like that, I'd be better at this, Bob.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Pretty damn good.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a super nice school. Mike Tirico made the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: commencement speech. I say all that to ask you this.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Tirico is a friend. Kenny Albert's a very good friend.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Sean McDonough's a friend. We had them all on when
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I was up there at Newhouse. And I don't want
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: to put you in a bad spot, but the Mount
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Rushmore of broadcasters that graduated from Newhouse, what would it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: be for Bob Costas?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: You're on it, Bob Costas. You had to end on this,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: didn't you? This is going to go viral.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I got something worse. It's going to make.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: A handful of people happy, and it's going to piss
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: off a bunch of other people.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: McDonough answered it. I mean, he had you on it,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: by the way.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. This is an honest answer.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm going to see Marv in about a week for dinner,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: but I'm not sure if Marv graduated from the Newhouse School.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: I know he attended Syracuse. Right. I'm looking for reasons
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: to eliminate guys without dissing them.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: If you don't want to answer it, it's.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Fine, Bob. Tirico's definitely on there. I think that Sean McDonough,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: he's not underrated, but he's under-celebrated. Everybody who pays attention
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: knows how good he is. Yes. He's good at four
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: different sports. He's good at hockey, basketball, baseball, and football,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: and has been so for a very long time. You know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: you could throw Ian Eagle's name into the mix. That's right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: The first one, the Newhouse School didn't exist. But he
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: was a three-sport star at Syracuse and became a wonderful,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: groundbreaking radio broadcaster as Marty Glickman. The award that's given
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: out each year to an outstanding Newhouse graduate in sports
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: is called the Marty Glickman Award. Then there's Dick Stockton.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Len Berman is receiving that award next week. And Len's
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: fame was mostly as a local broadcaster, did the Big
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: East Games nationally and some other things for NBC back
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: in the day, but mostly broadcasting. as an anchor, sports
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: anchor on the 11 o'clock news in New York and
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: before that in Boston. Now I've named about 33 guys.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it's your Mount Rushmore. If you want all 33
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: on there, you can have it, okay?
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Now I'm getting rid of that call. That was Ted Koppel.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Asking to be mentioned, even though he's not a sportscaster,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: but he went to Syracuse. Or maybe it was the
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: ghost of Dick Clark. I don't know.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: All right, Bob, I'll get you out of here on
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a game here on an easier question, okay? Two to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: three minutes, we'll get you out of here. I know
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: you're a busy man.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid to do this to a professional broadcaster, but
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: give me the imaging and I'll explain the game to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you in a sec.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: There's one table left at the hottest spot in town,
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: and everybody wants it. Who's getting it? And who's getting
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: left outside? Greatness gets seated. Everyone else waits. This is
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: One Table.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: All right, so we're at Costas Steakhouse, okay? You own
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: a steakhouse.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It's in New York City. There's one table remaining, and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: two guys are walking in. At the same time, you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: determine who gets that seat, who gets that table.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: This is not trying to put you in a bad spot. Taylor,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: go ahead. Take it away here.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Dave Pash walks in.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Noah Eagle walks in. Who gets the table?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: See, now I'm going to finesse this. If we're talking potential.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: If we're talking longevity, if you're making a trade and
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: you want the younger guy and you're going to have
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: him for a long, long time, Noah Eagle, who is
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: what Joe Buck was a generation ago, a guy still
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: in his 20s, who you can tell is the next
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: great thing. On the other hand, if you're just talking
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: about accomplishments at the moment that they walk through the door,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: then you've got to say to Noah, your time is coming,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: but Mr. Pash, let me show you to your seat. Okay.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like Noah, right? And passion's hit at
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the bar. I mean.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to finesse it as the main key.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I know you are.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: All right, one more. Two more, Taylor. Go ahead, quickly.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Sean McDonough walks in.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Nick Wright walks in. Who gets the table?
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Who?
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: It depends whether you like A bald head or flowing locks?
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: You've got a big contrast here. You're killing me. You're
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: killing me. I'm giving it to Sean. I've known Nick
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: literally since he was like 11 years old.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: He's great.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: He let me know he wanted to be a broadcaster.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: He told me that he went to Syracuse in part
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: because I had gone to Syracuse. I've been in touch
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: with him. He's been very kind to me. You know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Sean is a play-by-play man. Nick is a host with
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: strong opinions, but they're credible opinions because he does his homework. So, yeah,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I think that Sean, again, like Pash versus Noah, Sean
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: has been around longer and accomplished more. So out of respect,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: we have to give him the table.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: All right, we have one more for you, not Syracuse-related,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I think baseball-related here.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: So Mickey Mantle walks in.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Ted Williams walks in. Who gets the table?
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: Wow, wow, wow.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm the maitre d'. Yeah, you own the restaurant.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: You decide who gets the seat, yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I have to say number seven over number nine, but
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: I had a great relationship with both of them. And objectively,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: although Mickey might have been on pure talent, he was
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: a faster runner, a better outfielder, but look at Williams' numbers.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: just impossible to deny. And he did it for a
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: longer period of time, even with two interruptions for World
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: War II and Korea. And while Mickey's peak, the peak
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: from the mid-50s through 1964 is as good as almost anybody,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: it didn't sustain as long. So if I don't have
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: a personal feeling, you know, I grew up in New
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: York as a Yankee fan. I'm looking here. Wait a minute.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: I may be able to find it right here.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Here we have, oh, that's Kirby Pocket.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: I'm looking through these Hall of Fame cards.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Here's Stan Musial. This is really putting a crimp in
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: my idea here. Somewhere in this desk, I've got a
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: bunch of Mickey Mantle baseball cards.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Bob, they're valuable. What do you mean somewhere in the desk?
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: You know, they all... We have emotional value from my generation.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: We didn't we didn't you know, you could get five
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: cards and a stick of bubblegum for a nickel in
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: the late 50s and early 60s. And you'd sit there
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: with your friends. You go, got him, got him, need him,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: got him, got.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Him, need him.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: You know, this kid has this kid has a Stan Musial, right?
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: And you don't. So I'll offer you three Norm Seaburns,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: two Jerry Lumpies and a Bob Perky for your Stan Musial.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: No chance. So, you know, you flip them, you scale them,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: you put them on the spokes of your bike so
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: it would sound cool. You're pedaling around the neighborhood making
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: that clip clip sound. But you used Hector Lopez for that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: You didn't use a Ted Williams or Mickey Mantle for
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: the spokes of your bike. But, you know, Matt Mantle
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: was my guy. Ted Ted asked me to emcee a
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: number of events at his Hitters Museum in Florida, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: he was willing to do interviews with me when he
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: was usually reluctant to do it with others. But, you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Mickey was my guy when I was a kid, and
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I did the eulogy at his funeral. So I guess
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: if the respective ghosts of Mantle and Williams walked in,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: I got to seat Mickey first. Sorry, Splinter, wherever you are.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: You know what Ted Williams.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Said to me once? Please tell me, yes.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: So this is the first time I interviewed him, first
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: of what would be several. But this was 1988, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: he hadn't done a lengthy interview, really, in at least
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: a decade. And he had a book out, and so
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: he was on a tour, and I think I was
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: the first stop. And it was two hours on the
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: old Costas Coast to Coast radio show on Sunday night.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: And about halfway through this, listening to him, I said,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: you know, it occurs to me that you are in
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: real life the guy John Wayne played in all those movies.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And he, for a second, he paused. And you could
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: see that humility was battling with honesty. And honesty won.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: And his answer was, yeah, I know it. Just like that, right? Okay,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: now here's, this also happened, right? This is what a
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: singular guy he was. A publicist was with him. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: when the thing was over, the woman comes up and says, Ted, remember,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: car at the hotel at 7 a.m. tomorrow, you'll be
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: on the Today Show. And he said, I don't want
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: to do it. And she's like, what? And he goes,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: that kid, pointing to me, that kid knows baseball. How
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: do I know the people at at the today show
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: to know baseball. I don't want to do it. You're
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: trying to sell a book. You're going to blow off
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: 10 minutes on the today show. I think she twisted
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: his arm and convinced him to do it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: But he wasn't kidding. He was just so much his
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: own man. It was like, yeah, screw it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. So good.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Baseball stories with Bob Costas, which shoot to the top
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of the charts in podcasting. If you're interested and I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: can play this reservation game with you the entire day.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: And I'll finesse every answer because I don't want to
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: alienate anybody.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: You did a great job of not answering and not
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: ticking anyone off. We appreciate it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Check him out, NBC Sports, MLB Network as well, legendary broadcaster.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Bob, thank you so much for doing this. It was
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: a blast, and we hope to do it again soon.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: I apologize for being the most rambling guest you've ever had,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: but I enjoyed it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: But when you're rambling with Ted Williams stories, we're good, Bob. Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: You've been around as long as I am. You run
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: into a few stories.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: You're fantastic. Thank you for doing this again.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Thanks to you guys.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Bob.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That was awesome. Fantastic. Thanks, Bob. That was great.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Thanks a lot. I enjoyed it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Do I get to ask you more than once a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: year or no?
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if it's as much fun as this, sure.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I promise you it will always be this fun, okay?
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Once a year. That's what I'm good for.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Done. Once a year we'll play that game and we'll
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: get you out, okay?
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: See you in 2027.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Have a good rest of the year, Bob. All right.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Thanks a lot.