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The Bolt Report | 20 October · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Kids.
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Speaker 2: He's the Good Report.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 3: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight, yet more speculation of defections
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Speaker 3: to Pauline Hansen's One Nation Party. Will hear from the
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Speaker 3: lady herself about how close some of those may be.
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Speaker 3: Plus Anthony Albanesi's long awaited meeting with US President Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump is now just hours away. But will our PM
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Speaker 3: make a good impression? I'll chat to my panel about
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Speaker 3: that later on. And Andrew Bolt says Victoria has become
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Speaker 3: a toxic state that should serve as a warning to
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Speaker 3: the rest of Australia. He'll join me in a moment. Plus,
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Speaker 3: Prince Andrew, under police investigation over his alleged handling of
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Speaker 3: a teenage sex abuse victim, will cross to London for
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Speaker 3: reaction to that. But first, here's what happened in Melbourne
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Speaker 3: at the weekend, otherwise known as an episode of law
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Speaker 3: and disorder. Two teenagers spent Saturday night prowling the suburb
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Speaker 3: of Ringwood, attempting to steal cars and threatening to beat
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Speaker 3: up a member of the public who challenged them. Then
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Speaker 3: they attempted a carjacking, telling a motrist and I quote,
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Speaker 3: we're taking your car. This is effing our car, now
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Speaker 3: get out. When the terrified victim drove off, the teen
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Speaker 3: struck the car, leaving a mark on the door. Police court.
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Speaker 3: That would be carjackers who are peeed in court yesterday
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Speaker 3: and were given bail. The magistrate told them and I
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Speaker 3: quote come back here and I won't be happy. Well,
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Speaker 3: nothing strikes fear into the hearts of violent offenders like
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Speaker 3: a mildly disappointed magistrate. To the weekend's carjacking, we can
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Speaker 3: add a shooting. People in Corfield woke to the sound
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Speaker 3: of gunfire early this morning as a suburban house was
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Speaker 3: sprayed with bullets. A terrified neighbor told journalists I don't
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Speaker 3: feel safe anymore. My kids also, they don't feel safe here.
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Speaker 3: It's not the Australia that I know now. To the
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Speaker 3: attempted car jacking and the shooting, we can add, of course,
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Speaker 3: a machete attack.
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Speaker 4: Two teenage boys have been attacked by a machete wielding
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Speaker 4: group outside Melbourne's Lunar Park in Saint Kilda. Police say
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Speaker 4: the teens suffered minors slash wounds after being ambushed around
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Speaker 4: six point thirty last night. The offenders fled in a
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Speaker 4: gray Land Rover, crashing into another car before taking off.
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Speaker 4: Right now, they are still on the run.
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Speaker 3: Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen had this to say when asked
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Speaker 3: about yesterday's machete attack.
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Speaker 5: Look, this is shocking behavior. It won't be tolerated.
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Speaker 3: Strong words from a government that's been tolerating shocking behavior
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Speaker 3: for years.
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Speaker 5: And I think it is important to express my thoughts
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Speaker 5: with those victims of this brazen and unacceptable crime.
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Speaker 3: If only thoughts could stop violent crime in fairness to
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Speaker 3: just think to Allen, she doesn't just have thoughts, she
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Speaker 3: has thought bubbles.
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Speaker 5: We have the machete disposal bins in location.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure those slashed with machetes at the weekend
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Speaker 3: feel less slashed because there was an unused machete disposal
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Speaker 3: bin on location. So let's recap a carjacking, shooting a
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Speaker 3: machete attack. Feels like we're we're missing something that's got Oh. Yes,
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Speaker 3: of course a weekend in Melbourne would not be complete
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Speaker 3: without a violent protest. This was the Melbourne CBD yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Now just sin to Allen knew what journalists were going
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Speaker 3: to ask her today. Does she still believe Melbourne is safe.
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Speaker 5: It should not be repeated, but I will repeat that, Yes,
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Speaker 5: Melbourne's CBD safe.
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Speaker 3: Oh, she is so right. It should not be repeated
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Speaker 3: because it's a lie. How is Melbourne safe when police
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Speaker 3: patrolling the CBD are being hospitalized? But it's a lie.
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Speaker 3: Justinto Allen is now committed to no matter how many carjacking, shooting,
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Speaker 3: stabbings or violent protests she has to ignore. My question
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Speaker 3: is how does she expect to maintain such a blatant lie. Well,
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Speaker 3: just as protesters came yesterday prepared with projectiles to throw
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Speaker 3: at police, just Into Alan came today prepared with talking
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Speaker 3: points to throw at the public. First off, she talked
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Speaker 3: about the swift response from Victorian police. She used the
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Speaker 3: term swift so many times today it was clearly calculated.
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Speaker 5: They were dealt with swiftly, swiftly or swiftly dealt with
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Speaker 5: it swiftly with it, swiftly with it, swiftly, with swift Let.
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Speaker 3: Me ask you a question. If you go into the
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Speaker 3: CBD and get hit with a rock, do you insist
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Speaker 3: to see d is safe because well police responded swiftly.
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Speaker 3: If you're stabbed with a machete, do you feel less stabbed?
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Speaker 3: Because police responded swiftly to your stabbing. If you see
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Speaker 3: right police charging down Burke streets clashing with violent mobs,
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Speaker 3: do you feel safe?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: Well, what if the right police charge down Burke Street swiftly?
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Speaker 3: Tell you what? Police may be swift, but just into Allan,
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Speaker 3: she's a slug. She announced law's banning face coverings last December,
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Speaker 3: she just hasn't got around to introducing them to Parliament yet.
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Speaker 3: She defended the delay today, claiming the legislation needed to
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Speaker 3: be handled with great care and consideration, kind of like
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Speaker 3: how she handles criminals. What if I told you just
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Speaker 3: into Alan was leaving office swiftly, would that make you
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Speaker 3: feel safer? I think we all know the answer to that.
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Speaker 3: Her nextploy was to insist that Melbourne was safe because well,
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Speaker 3: the violence in Mayhem was being committed by a small
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Speaker 3: number of people.
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Speaker 5: We see a small number of people, A very small
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Speaker 5: number of people, A small number. There were a small
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Speaker 5: number of people. Gain I want to emphasize it is
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Speaker 5: a smaller number of people here now.
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Speaker 3: This of course begs the question, how many people throwing
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Speaker 3: rocks and bottles does it take before you start to
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Speaker 3: feel unsafe? Just into Alan expects us to believe that
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Speaker 3: because the rioters were dozens rather than hundreds, the CBD
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Speaker 3: is safe. I suppose if it were hundreds, that would
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Speaker 3: be safer than thousands, and thousands of writers would still
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Speaker 3: be safer than tens of thousands. What a ridiculous rhetorical
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Speaker 3: game she plays. But it got worse next, just into
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Speaker 3: Ellen claim that yesterday's violent protest was an anomaly, something
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Speaker 3: entirely foreign to Melbourne.
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Speaker 5: What we saw yesterday was a very different pattern of behavior,
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Speaker 5: a very very different set of violent behavior, different pattern
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Speaker 5: of behavior. It was different behavior different.
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Speaker 3: How was this different? Was yesterday's protest different because it
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Speaker 3: was anti racism protesters rather than anti war protesters who
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Speaker 3: tore up the city last.
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Speaker 6: Year, fires, fights, flash grenades on city streets, protests in
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Speaker 6: the middle of Melbourne against an international weapons expo turned violent.
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Speaker 3: Was yesterday's protest different because it was anti racism protesters
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Speaker 3: rather than trans writes protesters causing mayhem.
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Speaker 7: Earlier this year, a trans rides activist not to the ground,
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Speaker 7: which quickly escalates violence, erupting outside the State Library after
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Speaker 7: members of the public began clashing with protesters. Followed confrontations
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Speaker 7: between protesters and police across the city.
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Speaker 3: Yes, spot, the difference is kind of hard with those.
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Speaker 3: How was yesterday different to what we've seen in Melbourne
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Speaker 3: over the past number of years? And why do we
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Speaker 3: continually see this violence in Melbourne anyway?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's a human happening.
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Speaker 5: Well that's that's well, I don't think that's correct.
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Speaker 3: Come on, everyone knows Melbourne is the violent protest capital
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Speaker 3: of Australia. Just since that, Allen was asked again why
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Speaker 3: we see violence in Melbourne when we don't see it
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Speaker 3: in other cities, And I could not believe this response.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter which city it is in. That sort
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Speaker 5: of violence under the cloak of protest was just not
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Speaker 5: just unacceptable. It violated that principle of the right and
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Speaker 5: the obligation for people to protest.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter which city it's in. Try telling that
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Speaker 3: to the people living in the city where the violence
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Speaker 3: keeps happening. The city that she's the premier of. Melbourne
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Speaker 3: used to be the world's most livable city. Now it's
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Speaker 3: the world's most believable. To stay safe in the Melbourne CBD,
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Speaker 3: you have to walk around with your head on a
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Speaker 3: swivel constantly scanning for danger. The only consolation is that
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Speaker 3: at least having your head on a swivel isn't as
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Speaker 3: dizzying as listening to Justiner Allen Well joining me now
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Speaker 3: Andrew Bolt, who I'm pleased to say is on the
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Speaker 3: mend and not far off being back in this chair. Andrew,
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Speaker 3: thanks for joining me tonight. You've written a cracking column
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Speaker 3: in The Herald's Sun calling Melbourne a toxic warning for
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Speaker 3: the rest of the country. Specifically, you point to a
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Speaker 3: breakdown in authority, accountability and community. Can you talk me
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Speaker 3: through it?
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Speaker 8: Well, Melbourne is the epicenter of the left in the Australia.
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Speaker 8: For you're talking about the history of violent protests and
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Speaker 8: that's great, but this has gone on since two thousand.
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Speaker 8: The year two thousand, you might recall three days of
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Speaker 8: blockades and violence outside the Crown Casino for the World
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Speaker 8: Economic Forum of a West Australian premier trapped in his car,
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Speaker 8: or two thousand and six when Peter Costello, then the Treasurer,
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Speaker 8: had to demand that the Police Commissioner then Christine Nixon
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Speaker 8: come and rescue them the Finance ministers from protesters. This
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Speaker 8: has gone on for a long time, but it has
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Speaker 8: got much worse since the lockdowns of Daniel Andrews. It's
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Speaker 8: not a coincidence that Victoria is a busted state, from
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Speaker 8: the finances to your personal safety, everything really grim, grim grim.
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Speaker 8: The lockdowns created, in my opinion, a generation of kids,
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Speaker 8: particularly the poor and disadvantage, who were not socialized, didn't
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Speaker 8: go to school, missed out crime from that point, particularly
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Speaker 8: youth crime just like in the last year went up
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Speaker 8: eighteen percent eighteen percent, and that's after a big jump
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Speaker 8: the year before as well. It is terrible. Then we have,
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Speaker 8: of course the lack of finance, which might explain why
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Speaker 8: the policing's not up to snuff, the soft policing. There's
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Speaker 8: a period, of course with Victoria. The Chief Commissioner back
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Speaker 8: then refused to say Victoria had gains, denied it actually
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Speaker 8: denied Victoria had games and banned police from saying it
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Speaker 8: had games. Will now look, of course, I mean, then
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Speaker 8: there's the mass immigration and Victoria, the Melbourne particulars exploded
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Speaker 8: in numbers, poor integration as a result. You can't miss
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Speaker 8: the fact that so many machete crimes, for instance, of
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Speaker 8: carjackings or home invasions include people from Africa, from Sudan
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Speaker 8: or Somalia or whatever, and also Pacific Islanders. There's also
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Speaker 8: others as well, but you can't miss that unless you're
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Speaker 8: deliberately blind. So really, there is a real problem in
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Speaker 8: Victoria with a government that is simply presiding over a
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Speaker 8: justice system that has been two weak for too long,
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Speaker 8: as you've actually pointed out with a couple of those
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Speaker 8: instances instances of crimes on the weekend that you mentioned.
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Speaker 3: Just before we move on from Melbourne, do you think
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Speaker 3: Justina Allen is either capable or has the will to
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Speaker 3: turn things around.
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Speaker 8: Look, there comes a time when the damage is done
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Speaker 8: and people have got to be held to account. I mean,
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Speaker 8: the oppositions could be led by Mickey Mouse, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 8: This government must be made to pay the price for
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Speaker 8: years of mismanagement. It is a government, you might recall,
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Speaker 8: that actually commissioned a you know, we'll bid for the
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Speaker 8: Commonwealth Games and put all this money into it and
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Speaker 8: in the end, after a barely year, said oh look
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Speaker 8: we actually can't afford it, and then paid multi hundreds
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Speaker 8: of millions of dollars through Scotland to hold it instead.
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Speaker 8: That's how incompetent this government is. Plus the world's longest
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Speaker 8: lockdowns at the time, totally unnecessary, absolutely devastated Melbourne and
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Speaker 8: the city's finances, and I think betrayed. You know, costs
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Speaker 8: a lot of people respect for the police what you
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Speaker 8: see in the street. And I have to say too,
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Speaker 8: let's not forget the ideology here. There were some I
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Speaker 8: don't know thirty six groups that claimed to be participants
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Speaker 8: of that protest that you mentioned just just a few
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Speaker 8: minutes ago, that violent protests that attacked police, and when
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Speaker 8: you look at who's behind it, it's really is rent
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Speaker 8: a cause they don't they're just against society. They were
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Speaker 8: people from obviously anarchists, communists, Marxist groups, socialists, the lions,
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Speaker 8: Palestinian groups, obviously Aboriginal groups, even Filipino groups. Would you
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Speaker 8: believe Filipino radicals? I mean everything. This was just protests
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Speaker 8: of the feral and the people that just want to
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Speaker 8: smash everything. What cause they want, whatever you got, Well.
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Speaker 3: Melbourne's falling apart, and so is the coalition. Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 3: spoke to Sky News earlier today about why he's going
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Speaker 3: to break with the Nationals have listened.
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Speaker 9: It is a reality. The relationship between myself and David
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Speaker 9: over a number of years is well, it's broken down
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Speaker 9: and it's very sad. That's just what happens in some
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Speaker 9: human relationships, and it's not really conducive to being effective
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Speaker 9: for me, nor effective for them to remain in the room.
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Speaker 9: And so you've got to accept that.
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Speaker 10: And move on.
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Speaker 9: The next thing is, oh, well, what are you going
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Speaker 9: to do next? Lead them up to me. I'll make
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Speaker 9: my decision in my time. I'm now, as I say,
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Speaker 9: a free agent.
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Speaker 3: I guess I've got two questions Andrew. First, how damaging
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Speaker 3: is Barnaby's departure to the Nationals? And second how valuable
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Speaker 3: would he be to Pauline Hanson?
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Speaker 8: So interesting, isn't it. The Nationals actually banned one of
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Speaker 8: Parlam's most effective communicators from campaigning at the last election
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Speaker 8: outside his own seat. They shut him down. And now
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Speaker 8: they're terrified because if it goes to one Nation, and
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Speaker 8: that is absolutely on the cards. If it goes to
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Speaker 8: one nation, one nation, something will have, as I said,
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Speaker 8: one of the most effective campaigners in Parliament, except he
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Speaker 8: will be campaigning outside. Well, it's going to stand for
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Speaker 8: the Senate in every seat that the national Holds. Believe you,
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Speaker 8: me and they are now terrified. Now, how crazy is that?
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Speaker 8: So he's really it's a no brainer. Really, Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 8: can sit in a party that wants him just to
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Speaker 8: shut up and say nothing and do nothing, or it
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Speaker 8: can be part of a party which I suspect we're
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Speaker 8: pauling hands in our own sweet time decides it's trying
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Speaker 8: to hang up the boots. She's seventy one. Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 8: will be the natural leader and it could be really interesting.
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Speaker 3: Then well, I've got Pauline Hanson on the program shortly,
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Speaker 3: so it's going to be an interesting discussion. I'm keen
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Speaker 3: to say what she will devolve.
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Speaker 8: Probably, I will see. We'll see. Because Barnaby and paul
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Speaker 8: and One Nation were today playing at cool They're trying
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Speaker 8: to lower the temperature at the moment. So this will
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Speaker 8: be a test of your forensic skill to get her
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Speaker 8: to admit she really wants Barnaby and he really is coming.
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Speaker 3: I was feeling good about it, Andrew, Now you've made
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Speaker 3: me nervous. Hey, just quickly, before we get to a braik,
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Speaker 3: do your thoughts on Trump's meeting with Zelenski at the weekend.
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Speaker 3: It's reportedly a fiery meeting characterized by shouting and cursing
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Speaker 3: from Trump, who warns Zelenski if he doesn't accept Putin's terms,
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Speaker 3: Ukraine will be destroyed. I'm just keen to hear your
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Speaker 3: thoughts on how Trump's handling that conflict well.
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Speaker 8: Putin's demands that Trump relayed were to give up the
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Speaker 8: entire don Bass two thirds of a one third of
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Speaker 8: which at least the Ukraine still holds, including its most
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Speaker 8: defensive line. Is really asking Ukraine to surrender and be
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Speaker 8: vulnerable to a further Russian attack. It's a disaster. Trump
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Speaker 8: cannot be trusted. This is just ridiculous. In September, he
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Speaker 8: was saying that the Russian economy was on the board
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Speaker 8: brink of collapse and why not Ukraine could take over
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Speaker 8: all recover all the Russian hill territories. Then just on
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Speaker 8: Tuesday he said, oh, Russian economy is really doing badly.
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Speaker 8: Putin rang him or they had a call on Thursday,
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Speaker 8: and by Friday he's screaming abuse at Zelenski for not
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Speaker 8: giving in, saying Russia's economy is doing fine and they'll win.
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Speaker 8: I mean, it's just insane. Putin's on the ropes and
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Speaker 8: Trump is throwing him a lifeline he is.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Andrew, it's great to see you. I'll be catching
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Speaker 3: up with you later in the week. I look forward
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Speaker 3: to that. Thanks for coming on tonight. Well after the break.
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Speaker 3: The long waited meeting between Anthony Albanezi and Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: is less than twenty four hours away. Will it be
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Speaker 3: a meeting of friendly allies or will the PM be
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Speaker 3: bulldozed in front of the world's media. My panel joins
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Speaker 3: me to discuss that and more. Next we'll joining me
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Speaker 3: now to discuss the news of the days. My panel
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Speaker 3: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor
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Speaker 3: senator Stephen Conroy. Welcome, gentlemen. I want to get onto
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Speaker 3: the news of the day, but since both of you
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Speaker 3: are in Melbourne, I want to get your take on
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Speaker 3: the protests. I'll start with you. Stephen Conroy is Melbourne,
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Speaker 3: CBD safe.
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Speaker 11: Well.
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Speaker 12: I think it was great to see and I want
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Speaker 12: to graduate police for actually standing up on not letting
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Speaker 12: a lot of the issues that could have evolved. Thought
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Speaker 12: it was great to see the new police commissioners clearly
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Speaker 12: making an impact. We're nowhere near all the way solved yet,
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Speaker 12: I think it's fair to say that people in Melbourne
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Speaker 12: particular and the cbday on weekends are just sick and
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Speaker 12: tired of the constant protests. It's good to finally see
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Speaker 12: that the pro palaced in you seam, who disgraced themselves regularly,
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Speaker 12: have now put it all to rest.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Stephen, I don't mean to interrupt Stephen, but I
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Speaker 3: just the question was, is the Melbourne CBD safe is
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Speaker 3: just into Ellen Wright when she says that you live there.
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Speaker 12: Look, I've been into the CBDA a number of times recently.
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Speaker 12: The rolling protests certainly made me feel uncomfortable. I certainly
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Speaker 12: made many Melbourne's and if you're in the Jewish community,
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Speaker 12: it was just pure intimidation. Now that they're gone, there
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Speaker 12: is always a rent of crowd. Melbourne has always had
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Speaker 12: a hard element of the hard left who don't mind
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Speaker 12: causing trouble. I mean, I can go back to the
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Speaker 12: first George Bush as in Senior visited you went to Sydney.
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Speaker 12: No protests came to Melbourne. They were attacking the horses
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Speaker 12: of the police. They were rolling, were bearing so under
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Speaker 12: the horses hoofs. So Victoria has a long history of
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Speaker 12: that hard left element. Do they represent the majority or
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Speaker 12: even a significant one. I know they're troublemakers and again
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Speaker 12: congratulations to the police for standing up to them. Once
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Speaker 12: that's cleared out and now hopefully we'll begin to see
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Speaker 12: some degree of normality returning to the CBD.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting, Stephen Conroy that you mentioned Melbourne has a
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Speaker 3: hard left problem, because that's pretty much shon line with
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Speaker 3: what Police Commander Wayne Cheeseman said.
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Speaker 2: Have listen the people that came to pick the flight
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Speaker 2: were police. Were the issue motivated groups on the left?
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Speaker 2: I can tell you that the March for Australia group,
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Speaker 2: they were peaceful.
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, can I put this to you Victoria doesn't
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Speaker 3: have a protest problem, it has a left wing problem.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely correct. I mean, as Stephen said, we've had this
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Speaker 10: hard left anarchist group and for group in Victoria for
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Speaker 10: most of my life and quite it's about time they
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Speaker 10: are arrested, in jailed, not slapped on the rest and
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Speaker 10: given bail. It's getting worse here in Victoria. To answer
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Speaker 10: your question, is the CBD in Victoria's safe? In Melbourne safe,
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Speaker 10: of course it's not. The police said so today the
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Speaker 10: secret of the Police Association said is not safe and
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Speaker 10: quite frankly, who would want to encourage their kid to
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Speaker 10: join Victoria police when they go to work and they
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Speaker 10: have rocks thrown at them, glass broken, glass in bottles
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Speaker 10: thrown at them and they get attacked by these people.
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Speaker 10: We do have this group. I mean, I wish the press,
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Speaker 10: by the way, I would stop referring to them by
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Speaker 10: their own description, which is we are the anti racism,
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Speaker 10: anti fashion. You are the racists. You are the fascists.
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Speaker 10: You people on the left, you are the fascists in Victoria.
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Speaker 10: And don't try and con people into thinking you're there
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Speaker 10: for goodness. You are a despicable group of people. And
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Speaker 10: the sooner these people are arrested in jailed, the better
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Speaker 10: because it is immensely damaged to Victoria, mensely damaging to Melbourne.
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Speaker 10: And no, Victoria and Melbourne are not safe. And everybody
22:05
Speaker 10: in Victoria knows that, except just Cindra Allen, who's who's
22:08
Speaker 10: resembling Sadam Mussain spokesman more and more these days with
22:13
Speaker 10: her ridiculous comment that Melbourne is safe. I mean, just
22:16
Speaker 10: cent to please resign, just resign, to.
22:20
Speaker 3: Be honest, Michael, I don't think she believes it either,
22:22
Speaker 3: even though the words are coming out of her mouth.
22:24
Speaker 3: I don't think she believes them, and no one else does,
22:27
Speaker 3: that's for sure. Anthony Albanezi has arrived in Washington for
22:31
Speaker 3: his meeting with President Donald Trump, and there's plenty on
22:34
Speaker 3: the agenda, not least of which the Orchest deal. Both
22:37
Speaker 3: Albanezi and Kevin Rudd will be sitting in the Oval
22:40
Speaker 3: Office two am tomorrow morning our time. Stephen Conroy, what
22:45
Speaker 3: are you expecting from the meeting?
22:48
Speaker 12: Well, look, what Australian needs is to get Trump one
22:53
Speaker 12: hundred percent behind. The ORC is packed the submarines. That's
22:58
Speaker 12: vital for our national secure but it's also vital ultimately
23:01
Speaker 12: for the US national security and the UK, so I
23:04
Speaker 12: think the Prime Minister has some very good points to make.
23:10
Speaker 12: Then there's you know, Australia has an abundance of our
23:13
Speaker 12: critical minerals and you've seen that China has decided to
23:16
Speaker 12: try and starve the world.
23:18
Speaker 1: This is incredibly important.
23:19
Speaker 12: They're very boring to talk about. They've got weird names,
23:22
Speaker 12: but they are vital to our national security and Australia
23:26
Speaker 12: has them in abundance. We've just never developed them. So
23:30
Speaker 12: it's very pleasing to see that the US may be
23:33
Speaker 12: willing to invest into the the mining of some of
23:36
Speaker 12: these minerals, and it's very important for our national security.
23:40
Speaker 12: So there's some really big issues now, I haven't haven't
23:42
Speaker 12: got the tariffs, you know, and reminding Donald Trump we
23:45
Speaker 12: have a free trade agreement, that they have a surplus
23:48
Speaker 12: when it comes to import exports, and that you know,
23:51
Speaker 12: doing this to your friends, allies and trusted partners is
23:55
Speaker 12: not the right thing through. So I think there's a
23:57
Speaker 12: lot on the agenda in a whole range of different sectors.
24:01
Speaker 12: And I'm hoping that we don't have any histronics, none
24:04
Speaker 12: of the sort of stuff Bandary Bolt referred to. I
24:06
Speaker 12: think you did swearing, throwing things around. Hope it's a
24:09
Speaker 12: rational calm meeting.
24:10
Speaker 3: Well, you're talking about us talking about it's about Donald
24:13
Speaker 3: Trump or Kevin Rudd when you talk about histonics and
24:15
Speaker 3: throwing things around, And.
24:19
Speaker 12: No, no, I am absolutely referring to Donald Trump.
24:22
Speaker 3: I just wanted to clarify, Michael. I think a lot
24:25
Speaker 3: of Australians, a lot of viewers are probably thinking, I
24:28
Speaker 3: hope Trump really gives it to him. But to be honest,
24:31
Speaker 3: we all want this meeting to go well, we need
24:34
Speaker 3: this meeting to go well. Look, I hope it goes well.
24:38
Speaker 10: As an Australian, I agree to complete with Stephen for Australia.
24:41
Speaker 10: This is it's important that this meaning goes well, and
24:44
Speaker 10: the odds will go well because he's only had two
24:47
Speaker 10: blow ups with Ramoposa from South Africa and Zelenskin. He's
24:51
Speaker 10: had what twenty or thirty world leaders in his office,
24:53
Speaker 10: so the odds favor him going well. However, don't forget
24:57
Speaker 10: he ambushed Ramoposa with video and an iPad of what
25:01
Speaker 10: he thought was going on South Africa, the killing of
25:03
Speaker 10: white farmers, so he ambushed him with that. Goodness knows.
25:08
Speaker 10: I mean, I just hope they don't have an iPad
25:10
Speaker 10: with Kevin Rudd's favorite comments about Donald Trump playing. And
25:15
Speaker 10: who knows what JD. Vans or Marco Rubio might do
25:19
Speaker 10: or say when they get a load of Kevin Rudd.
25:23
Speaker 10: If I were Albow, I'd say, listen Kevin right at
25:26
Speaker 10: the back of the room, right at the back and
25:29
Speaker 10: down a bit so they don't see you, because he
25:32
Speaker 10: might He would be the one more than Albo that
25:35
Speaker 10: they'd fire up against, given what he said about Trump,
25:38
Speaker 10: which is disgraceful and the very reason why he shouldn't
25:41
Speaker 10: be an ambassador. We are now all fretting that our
25:44
Speaker 10: Prime Minister might be embarrassed in front of the US President,
25:47
Speaker 10: not for the one thing that Albo said, but for
25:48
Speaker 10: the many things our ambassador said. Australia shouldn't be put
25:51
Speaker 10: in that position.
25:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, and yet here we are. So I
25:56
Speaker 3: think we'll all be watching with great interest to see
25:59
Speaker 3: how that meeting unfolds, and of course we'll be talking
26:02
Speaker 3: about it tomorrow night. Thanks to both of you, Michael Kroger,
26:05
Speaker 3: Stephen Conroy, always a delight to catch up. Well, we
26:09
Speaker 3: are going to go to a break. But after the break,
26:12
Speaker 3: I tell you what, Barnaby Joyce isn't the only Nationals
26:15
Speaker 3: MP thinking about a switch to one Nation. There's another
26:18
Speaker 3: and he'll join me after the break, plus will be
26:22
Speaker 3: joined by Pauline Hanson. I want to know if she's
26:24
Speaker 3: lining up Barnaby Joyce as her successor. I'll put that
26:28
Speaker 3: to her after the break. Well, Barnaby Joyce is not
26:34
Speaker 3: the only potential move to Pauline Hanson's One Nation party
26:38
Speaker 3: wide bamp Lou O'Brien has indicated he could make the
26:41
Speaker 3: jump if leader David Little Proud refuses to ditch net zero,
26:46
Speaker 3: and Lou O'Brien joins me, now, welcome to the program.
26:50
Speaker 3: So let me just ask you straight out, will you
26:52
Speaker 3: quit the Nationals if they persist with supporting this net
26:56
Speaker 3: zero madness?
26:58
Speaker 11: Well, James, my priority is to the people of Wide
27:01
Speaker 11: Bay and Australia, not to a political party. And the
27:06
Speaker 11: net zero policy and chasing net zero portrays so many
27:13
Speaker 11: of the fundamental principles for which I joined that party.
27:17
Speaker 11: So I find myself in a position where if it
27:21
Speaker 11: does commit to a net zero mandate by twenty fifty,
27:25
Speaker 11: I've got to ask myself is this the party that
27:27
Speaker 11: I joined? Now David Little Proud has started a process
27:32
Speaker 11: that is bringing us to a position.
27:34
Speaker 1: I believe that we're going to get out of net
27:37
Speaker 1: zero and that's my hope.
27:40
Speaker 11: But if it doesn't, as I say, my loyalty is
27:43
Speaker 11: to the people of White Bay and Australia before all else,
27:48
Speaker 11: and this is the policy that for me, is bad
27:51
Speaker 11: for the national interest. So I think that says it all.
27:54
Speaker 11: But I'm not in talks with any other political party.
27:59
Speaker 11: The only people I'm talking with other people of Why Bay.
28:02
Speaker 11: But they're telling me loud and clear that this has
28:04
Speaker 11: got to end. I'd never supported net zero by twenty fifty.
28:10
Speaker 11: There'll be no clips of me talking about a wonderful
28:14
Speaker 11: transition or how great renewables are.
28:16
Speaker 1: I have never supported it.
28:17
Speaker 11: I've gone to every election saying it was economic madness
28:22
Speaker 11: and futile because it won't be achieved anyway.
28:26
Speaker 3: Lou, I like how clear you are on this issue
28:29
Speaker 3: in contrast to the coalition of which you are apart.
28:32
Speaker 3: Can you understand why it's taken the coalition so long
28:35
Speaker 3: to come up with a policy.
28:38
Speaker 1: Well, I think a position is where we've got to start.
28:43
Speaker 11: We don't have to have every answer to unscrambling this
28:49
Speaker 11: absolute mess.
28:51
Speaker 1: That labor have inflicted upon us.
28:53
Speaker 11: But a simple position that we do not stand for
28:58
Speaker 11: wrecking our economy in pursuit of net zero emissions by
29:02
Speaker 11: twenty fifty is a good starting point. And I think
29:04
Speaker 11: that's why Pauline has done so well. And you'll hear
29:07
Speaker 11: no criticism from me of one nation they have a
29:12
Speaker 11: position on this and we don't. Now, I really do hope,
29:16
Speaker 11: with the greatest of sincerity that we get our act together,
29:21
Speaker 11: grow a spine, and get the right position and look
29:26
Speaker 11: after Australians and tell them clearly that we're putting them first,
29:32
Speaker 11: their interests first, and not some ideological, meaningless pursuit that
29:38
Speaker 11: will put government in everyone's life. It'll regulate business like
29:43
Speaker 11: it's never been regulated before, and it's irresponsible economically. Now
29:48
Speaker 11: how anyone in the Liberal Party or the National Party
29:50
Speaker 11: could go.
29:52
Speaker 1: Along with this?
29:53
Speaker 11: And my view is that if they tell you that
29:56
Speaker 11: it can be done and it's not going to be
29:58
Speaker 11: the things that I just said, I don't think they're
30:01
Speaker 11: being truthful to you because I think if you're genuinely
30:04
Speaker 11: pursuing this, you know that this is going to be
30:07
Speaker 11: massive government.
30:09
Speaker 3: So lu just on that you said that net zero
30:11
Speaker 3: would be a betrayal of your principles. So what I
30:15
Speaker 3: hear you saying is there's no way you could stay
30:18
Speaker 3: part of a party that is betraying the very principles
30:22
Speaker 3: that you believe in. If they don't ditch net zero,
30:25
Speaker 3: you would have to ditch the Nationals. It would be
30:27
Speaker 3: that clear, wouldn't it. Well, there's no other way.
30:31
Speaker 11: Look, yes, yes you know, So with that said, yes,
30:37
Speaker 11: my great hope.
30:38
Speaker 3: Is with that said. So with that said, and the
30:41
Speaker 3: other thing you've said, of course, is that while the
30:44
Speaker 3: Nationals and the Liberals don't have a policy, one Nation
30:47
Speaker 3: very clearly does. So if the Nats refuse to ditch
30:52
Speaker 3: net zero, that would betray your principles. But there is
30:55
Speaker 3: a party that is very much aligned with your principles,
30:59
Speaker 3: So you would quit the Nationals, one Nation would be
31:02
Speaker 3: the logical place for you to end up.
31:04
Speaker 11: I guess well, look, I am still absolutely at this
31:10
Speaker 11: point in time focused on landing the right position within
31:15
Speaker 11: the National Party. And I know Barnaby and David have
31:19
Speaker 11: bumped up against each other recently, and I will say, David,
31:23
Speaker 11: is I believe pushing us in the right direction here,
31:26
Speaker 11: and I hope we do land there because, as I say,
31:30
Speaker 11: I can't support a party that is going to betray
31:34
Speaker 11: every principle for which I joined it for.
31:37
Speaker 1: And I think, look, that's all I can really say.
31:42
Speaker 3: Just really quickly, one more question for you, and I
31:44
Speaker 3: really appreciate you joining me tonight. I'm just curious how
31:48
Speaker 3: many other National MPs would you say you're in the
31:51
Speaker 3: same boat that you're in, where they're watching and weighing
31:54
Speaker 3: up their options.
31:57
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I don't know.
31:59
Speaker 11: Obviously, Barnaby's made the statements that he has, and Barnaby's
32:03
Speaker 11: a made of mine and I really you know, the
32:06
Speaker 11: Parliament needs Barnaby Joyce. There are not too many politicians
32:11
Speaker 11: who can get a message out there, and that's a
32:13
Speaker 11: message that I believe in. So we need him in there.
32:19
Speaker 11: The others can speak for themselves. I know there are
32:23
Speaker 11: a lot of members of Parliament who are very very
32:26
Speaker 11: much against this, but are am not saying that publicly
32:32
Speaker 11: against one against net zero by twenty fifty, but are
32:36
Speaker 11: not saying it publicly through being disciplined and towing the line.
32:41
Speaker 1: But look, that's up to them.
32:44
Speaker 11: I'm being upfront with my constituents and the Australian people.
32:49
Speaker 3: Lew O'Brien, I really appreciate your Canada this evening. Thanks
32:52
Speaker 3: so much for coming on the program. Well, with all
32:55
Speaker 3: the talk around Coalition MPs potentially defecting to Pauline Hansen
32:59
Speaker 3: at least has a policy, there's only one person to
33:02
Speaker 3: talk to and that's Pauline Hanson. She joins me. Now, Pauline,
33:06
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on the program. Barnaby Joyce, of course,
33:10
Speaker 3: has shocked a lot of people by saying that he
33:13
Speaker 3: won't be continuing with the Nationals. But you knew that
33:16
Speaker 3: announcement was coming, right.
33:22
Speaker 13: I had a good idea, James, a pretty good idea
33:24
Speaker 13: with that, but and I thought it'd be a little
33:28
Speaker 13: bit further down the track. But anyway, it is what
33:30
Speaker 13: it is, and it was leaked and it was brought
33:33
Speaker 13: to our attention and I was contacted by the media
33:36
Speaker 13: and I responded to it and Barnaby has as well.
33:40
Speaker 3: How long was it up? You say that you knew
33:43
Speaker 3: in advance? How long have you known that Barnaby was
33:46
Speaker 3: going to call time on the Nationals? Is that like weeks? Months?
33:52
Speaker 1: No?
33:53
Speaker 13: I wouldn't say pull time, aren't it?
33:54
Speaker 12: You know?
33:55
Speaker 13: He was dead said he wanted to get his net
33:58
Speaker 13: zero bill across in the Parliament and he wanted to
34:00
Speaker 13: see what support. He didn't think he'd get the support
34:02
Speaker 13: for it. He thought it was a lost cause with
34:04
Speaker 13: the National Party because David Little Proud. Come on, he's
34:07
Speaker 13: a moderate, he's not interested in net zero. It's because
34:10
Speaker 13: of One Nation and Barnaby looking at jumping that's put
34:14
Speaker 13: pressure on to the Nationals to actually look at this.
34:17
Speaker 11: They're in a.
34:18
Speaker 13: Coalition, doesn't matter whether Nationals are a little proud go
34:21
Speaker 13: along with this. You can't convince the Coalition, you can't
34:24
Speaker 13: convince the Liberals to do it. They're I'm interested. The
34:27
Speaker 13: Coalition has so many wet blankets in there who will
34:31
Speaker 13: believe in this and that it's not going to change.
34:33
Speaker 13: You won't get them to move all together in unison
34:36
Speaker 13: to get rid of net zero. So the sheer, you know,
34:39
Speaker 13: to listen to Luo O'Brien. I haven't spoken to him
34:42
Speaker 13: at all. I'm surprised that Lou's come out and said
34:45
Speaker 13: this himself. I have the utmost respect for that man
34:47
Speaker 13: now because you know what he said, and this is
34:50
Speaker 13: all I want. I am representing my community and the
34:53
Speaker 13: Australian people before any political party. That's all I've ever
34:57
Speaker 13: asked for. Do we get that the labor or out
35:01
Speaker 13: of the Liberal Party, No, we don't. Very few politicians
35:05
Speaker 13: feel that way. But they've got no where else to go.
35:08
Speaker 13: I'm giving them the opportunity to form a strong team
35:11
Speaker 13: that we actually forced them to stand by their principles
35:16
Speaker 13: and it's got to be for the Australian people first
35:19
Speaker 13: and foremost.
35:21
Speaker 3: Sendata Hanson. We know you had a phone call yesterday
35:23
Speaker 3: with Barnaby Joyce. What was the discussion yesterday.
35:27
Speaker 13: Yep, it was just actually because this all just hit
35:33
Speaker 13: the airwaves and we're going on and of course I
35:37
Speaker 13: had a chuck over in the fact that Phil Courry
35:39
Speaker 13: from the Financial Review wrote that he was going to
35:42
Speaker 13: take and be the leader of the party or one
35:44
Speaker 13: of an abolute joke. You know that if you think
35:47
Speaker 13: that I'm going to bring Barbie across, it's not even
35:49
Speaker 13: a member of the party in mind, you I haven't
35:52
Speaker 13: got a foot in the grave yet Phil and Chriss like,
35:55
Speaker 13: if I'm going to look at any succession plan, I
35:57
Speaker 13: do have my daughter coming on board, and I've got
35:59
Speaker 13: a fan fantastic person and James Ashby, who's been beside
36:03
Speaker 13: me since I've come back to the party delete it
36:05
Speaker 13: again in twenty fifteen. So you know, you know Barnaby
36:10
Speaker 13: and I respect him and he's been Deputy Prime Minister.
36:13
Speaker 13: But I also believe people have to earn their stripes.
36:16
Speaker 13: People have to you know, be here for the long,
36:19
Speaker 13: long run.
36:21
Speaker 3: What did you discuss in terms of Barnaby's future plans
36:24
Speaker 3: and one Nation yesterday?
36:29
Speaker 13: It's all the fact is it was there in the
36:31
Speaker 13: wind about Barnaby coming across because he's so passionate about
36:34
Speaker 13: netzero and getting rid of it, if we're going to
36:36
Speaker 13: pull our country out of the mess that it's in.
36:39
Speaker 13: And the only conversation said Barnaby, it's your decision. The
36:43
Speaker 13: offerers there, it's up to you now what you want
36:46
Speaker 13: to do about it. So that's how I've left it. James.
36:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barnaby of course is a former deputy Prime minister.
36:54
Speaker 3: If he came over to one nation, have you discussed
36:57
Speaker 3: what role he would play? And I mean James Ashby
37:00
Speaker 3: He was asked by Peter Kredlin earlier about succession plans
37:03
Speaker 3: and how would he feel about Barnaby Joyce ultimately leading
37:06
Speaker 3: one nation when you choose and I know you've got
37:08
Speaker 3: a long way to go, but when you choose to
37:10
Speaker 3: hand over And James Ashby didn't dismiss the idea. Has
37:13
Speaker 3: that been floated as a potential plan for the future.
37:18
Speaker 13: No, No, it's the first time that was read and
37:21
Speaker 13: discussed was when the article, both Phil Curry or others
37:26
Speaker 13: media outlets are actually saying that. So now it wasn't
37:29
Speaker 13: It's got nothing to do with it. Hang on a minute.
37:32
Speaker 13: I intend to stand at the next selection. I might
37:35
Speaker 13: even out out pace bloody Barnaby. I know I'm a
37:39
Speaker 13: lot healthy and fit, fitter than a lot of these
37:42
Speaker 13: others in there that are a lot younger than me,
37:44
Speaker 13: So don't write me off. Yet they keep writing me
37:47
Speaker 13: off around for a lot long.
37:49
Speaker 3: Anyone aside from the Australian Financial Review is writing you off.
37:53
Speaker 3: No one else is, I don't think. Former National Senator
37:56
Speaker 3: Ron Boswell has said he would hate to see Barnaby
37:59
Speaker 3: Joyce join what he called an extreme party like One Nation,
38:03
Speaker 3: and he warned that if Barnaby Joyce joins you, he
38:06
Speaker 3: could end up like Mark Latham. Your response.
38:11
Speaker 13: Maybe two. When I was actually disendorsed by the Liberal
38:15
Speaker 13: Party and I stood as an independent for the seat
38:18
Speaker 13: of Oxley, it was a Nationalist who came to me
38:21
Speaker 13: asking me to put out how to vote cards for
38:23
Speaker 13: Ron Boswell so he could actually win the Senate seat.
38:28
Speaker 13: In the nineteen ninety eight when we won the Senate
38:31
Speaker 13: seat in Queensland in our own right, it was Ron
38:34
Speaker 13: Boswell behind the scenes that got involved with the Chinese
38:38
Speaker 13: community to get them to make a case against Heather
38:42
Speaker 13: Hill to have her thrown out. N Boswell has been
38:45
Speaker 13: a thorn in my side, has hated One Nation for
38:49
Speaker 13: our rise that we have and it's all about looking
38:52
Speaker 13: after national not about working with us and in the
38:55
Speaker 13: interests of the strange people. I've got a time for
38:58
Speaker 13: that silly old bastard to the truth and I you
39:01
Speaker 13: know you've asked me this question. I have to be
39:04
Speaker 13: honest with you. He's done nothing but try to destroy
39:08
Speaker 13: me and the party and calls me so much pain
39:10
Speaker 13: over the years. I don't take any interest in Mark
39:13
Speaker 13: Latham's got nothing to do with it. Mark Matt Latham,
39:15
Speaker 13: I thought had a lot to offer. Mark Latham did
39:18
Speaker 13: the wrong thing by the party and by me. He
39:21
Speaker 13: walked away from us. So to bring Mark Latham into
39:24
Speaker 13: it's a wrong bloody thing to say to me. And
39:26
Speaker 13: I've got a lot more respect for Barnaby Joyce and
39:29
Speaker 13: his ability than what I have for Mark Latham.
39:32
Speaker 3: Will Barnaby Joyce be running for One Nation at the
39:34
Speaker 3: next election?
39:38
Speaker 13: You have to ask Barnaby that he's not even a
39:40
Speaker 13: member of the party yet he will make that decision.
39:43
Speaker 13: And when he makes his decision, he will let the
39:45
Speaker 13: people know where he stands. I know he's got the
39:48
Speaker 13: community and his branch behind him, or the branch in Tamworth.
39:53
Speaker 13: I was there at the weekend. There's a lot of
39:55
Speaker 13: support for him there and what I'm reading have I
39:59
Speaker 13: read the room, They are quite happy for him to
40:01
Speaker 13: come across to One Nation. And I've been pulled up
40:04
Speaker 13: all day over the weekend, people saying good on you.
40:07
Speaker 13: I hope Barnaby joins you. People want the A team
40:11
Speaker 13: and that's what to be. It's not the dream team,
40:13
Speaker 13: it's the A team and the next election that I'm
40:15
Speaker 13: putting together to actually make these political parties accountable. These
40:19
Speaker 13: elitists the're out there that are pushing because we're a
40:22
Speaker 13: populist party. That's all they can say is to put
40:25
Speaker 13: us down.
40:26
Speaker 1: We are the people.
40:28
Speaker 13: We are the party that's listening to the general public.
40:31
Speaker 13: We are going to make sure that we get things
40:34
Speaker 13: change this country. If not, we will be a third
40:36
Speaker 13: world country very very soon the next ten to fifteen
40:39
Speaker 13: years if we don't turn things around.
40:41
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would agree with you.
40:43
Speaker 3: Just before I let you go, you've said you would
40:45
Speaker 3: open your arms to people who want to leave the
40:48
Speaker 3: coalition to come and join One Nation, as I think
40:51
Speaker 3: people would expect you to open your arms to them.
40:53
Speaker 3: You heard Lou O'Brien just a moment ago, would you
40:57
Speaker 3: pick up the phone and give him a call and say, hey,
41:00
Speaker 3: did you're talking to McPherson on the Bolt report? We
41:02
Speaker 3: should have a coffee.
41:07
Speaker 13: I'm not going to put pressure on anyone like that.
41:10
Speaker 13: I appreciate lu Brian Lou O'Brien coming out and saying that,
41:13
Speaker 13: and you know, I believe loyalty, but I'm not going
41:17
Speaker 13: to be putting pressure on anyone. If Lou wants to
41:19
Speaker 13: actually pick up the phone and have a talk to me,
41:21
Speaker 13: Lou must be happy within himself. He must realize what
41:24
Speaker 13: he wants to achieve for this country and for his
41:26
Speaker 13: lecturate And I was just so impressed in what he
41:29
Speaker 13: had said, and I would welcome Lou on board. But
41:32
Speaker 13: I'd say to people, if you're thinking about those other
41:35
Speaker 13: members of Parliament, if you want to come across the
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Speaker 13: one nation, do not think that you're going to sit
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Speaker 13: on your laurels and do nothing. There's two things that
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Speaker 13: we asked that you have to agree with us. Cut
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Speaker 13: back mass migration and get rid of net zero. Those
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Speaker 13: two things you agree with me on that we won't
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Speaker 13: have any problems and we can work through all the
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Speaker 13: other policies and issues.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, I always enjoy talking with you and I
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Speaker 3: really appreciate you coming on the program tonight. Thanks so
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Speaker 3: much for cat up. Well still to come across Live
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Speaker 3: to London as Prince Andrew is being investigated by police
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Speaker 3: over his handling of alleged sex abuse victim plus the
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Speaker 3: pricely priceless Napoleon jewelry stolen on the weekend from the Loos,
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Speaker 3: all of that in just a moment. Well, just when
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Speaker 3: you thought things couldn't possibly get any worse for Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 3: they do. Last week he gave up his royal titles.
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Speaker 3: This week he's under police investigation. Joining me with the
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Speaker 3: latest is writer and broadcast Esther Kraku. Esther great to
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Speaker 3: see you. Why are the police interested in Prince Andrew?
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean, just as the black sheep of the
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Speaker 14: royal family, you would think that things could only get
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Speaker 14: better from here, but no, Prince Andrew has given a
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Speaker 14: whole new meaning to the word rock bottom. So now
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Speaker 14: he's being investigated by the Metropolitan Police for allegedly using
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Speaker 14: his personal protection officer which is provided by the Metropolitan Police, which,
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Speaker 14: if you recall, was the whole Gride Prince Harry had
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Speaker 14: behind him suing the Home Office because it basically they
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Speaker 14: basically removed his automatic right to that sort of protection. Anyway,
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Speaker 14: he allegedly asked them him or her to dig up
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Speaker 14: negative information, should I say, on his alleged victim, Visioner Free.
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Speaker 14: He also somehow is facing allegations that he managed to
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Speaker 14: obtain her social Security number and that he passed it
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Speaker 14: on to a third party, which is obviously illegal. The
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Speaker 14: actual allegations are a bit murky because you know, one
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Speaker 14: thing we do know is that clearly it's come to
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Speaker 14: light that he was actually in contact with the disgraced,
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Speaker 14: convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein a lot longer than he
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Speaker 14: alleged in that bombshell interview that he had with Emily
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Speaker 14: maite List.
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Speaker 1: So we know that.
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Speaker 14: But now it seems that he used whatever strings he
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Speaker 14: could to try and get some negative information on visioners
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Speaker 14: You Free, and try to change public perception, or at
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Speaker 14: the very least try to obtain unlawful information about her.
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Speaker 14: These are the allegations, and it really doesn't get much
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Speaker 14: worse from much worse than this. I can tell you
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Speaker 14: that the Daily Mail probably called up the Bucking and
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Speaker 14: Palace and said, listen, we have this information, but we're
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Speaker 14: about to investigate this or break the news of this investigation.
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Speaker 1: What do you want to do about it?
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Speaker 14: Which is a courtesy that a lot of British media
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Speaker 14: outlets give the Bucking and Palace to kind of maintain
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Speaker 14: good relations with the monarchy.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the King.
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Speaker 14: Charles stepped in and said, that's it. I've had enough.
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Speaker 14: I'm stripping this man of his titles. They didn't even
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Speaker 14: go through Parliament, which ad Miliband said on TV that
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Speaker 14: it was because the King didn't want to waste parliamentarian's
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Speaker 14: time by asking them to formally remove his titles. The
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Speaker 14: government is happy to let the royal family lead on that,
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Speaker 14: so they've acted very swiftly and they've just basically said
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Speaker 14: absolutely not know more of this to him and his
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Speaker 14: former wife.
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Speaker 3: As soon as I heard the news of the police investigation,
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Speaker 3: I thought the royal titles being stripped, it all makes
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Speaker 3: sense now, Prime Minister kiss Starmol, I want to ask
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Speaker 3: you about him, because it keeps insisting anti Semitism will
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Speaker 3: not be tolerated. I'm just wondering how that squares with
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Speaker 3: the decision by the city of Birmingham to ban Israeli
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Speaker 3: football fans from attending next month's game between an Israeli
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Speaker 3: team and Aston Villa.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: I mean, one common thread you're seeing with this government
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Speaker 14: is they're completely adrift from reality. They just don't seem
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Speaker 14: to get it. You know, you have the Prime Minister
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Speaker 14: and then now Home Secretary Shabanama Whods saying they're going
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Speaker 14: to fight this rising wave of anti Semitism. It's not
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Speaker 14: a rising wave. There is a section of the British
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Speaker 14: public that are deeply Ansemitic. They've been deeply an Semitic,
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Speaker 14: either from the time they came to the UK or
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Speaker 14: for long after since they've settled, and they're now just
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Speaker 14: wearing their ugly heads and showing the world how a
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Speaker 14: Semitic they are. The fact that the city of Birmingham,
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Speaker 14: which is up to its neck and depth so I'm
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Speaker 14: assuming it has other problems, is saying that it's banning
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Speaker 14: fans from Macab Tel Aviv the foot or club because
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Speaker 14: of risk of them being perpetrators of violence as opposed
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Speaker 14: to victims is incredible to me. Now, this is a
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Speaker 14: part of the UK you have to remember where people
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Speaker 14: like just Phillips and now Home Secretary Shabanama, who'd almost
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Speaker 14: lost their seats because of sex you know, sectarian politics.
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Speaker 14: There is an independent MP from the West Midlands region
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Speaker 14: who basically ran on a pro Gaza campaign, which is incredible.
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Speaker 14: You know, a British MP winning because of a region
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Speaker 14: completely outside of British territory. But this is what they're
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Speaker 14: dealing with. It's basically a powder keg at this point.
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Speaker 14: And so they're dealing with all this not just anti Israel,
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Speaker 14: but basically anti Semitic sentiment in this part of the
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Speaker 14: country and now framing it as these football fans are
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Speaker 14: going to be the people instigating violence, when actually the
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Speaker 14: reality is clearly the other way around.
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Speaker 3: Quite unbelievable. Now, before I let you go, scooter riding
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Speaker 3: thieves have broken into the louver and stolen priceless jewelry
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Speaker 3: belonging to Napoleon's family. What more can you tell us
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Speaker 3: about this? We've got about thirty seconds left.
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean it's just a national embarrassment for France
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Speaker 14: of epic proportions. I mean one of the thieves was
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Speaker 14: wearing a high visibility jacket. This rate only lasted seven minutes.
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Speaker 14: They managed to get into a part of the loop
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Speaker 14: that was under construction. They even dropped one of the
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Speaker 14: priceless jewels, which was Empress Eugenie's crown on their way out,
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Speaker 14: which was basically a smash and grab of all proportions.
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Speaker 14: It's just completely embarrassing, honestly.
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Speaker 3: It certainly it also raises the question, Esther. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it's one thing to steal priceless, rare jewelry like that,
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Speaker 3: but then to sell it and offload it, that's got
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Speaker 3: to be difficult.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be virtually impossible.
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Speaker 14: But I'm sure there will be a clandestine a bidder
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Speaker 14: in the underworld that will probably get this as part
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Speaker 14: of their personal collection. I think they might have had
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Speaker 14: some sort of high value customers already lined up before
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Speaker 14: they engaged in this.
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Speaker 3: It's certainly a fascinating crime and has got worldwide attention,
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Speaker 3: as you would expect. Esther, always a delight to talk.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. Well that's it from me, but
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Speaker 3: stick around. Coming up now is Sharie Markson. Good Night.
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