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- 0:02Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome to this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
- 0:07Justin Alan Hayes: I am your host, founder and executive director of Voices for Voices, justin Allen Hayes.
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- 1:22Justin Alan Hayes: And it's again because of you following and letting us share a lot of content, a lot of experiences that aren't always shared.
- 1:40Justin Alan Hayes: You know we talk about being transparent and not everything that we talk about is, I'll say, the, maybe the most interesting, but what I would say is it's the most important for all of us because at one time or another, a story, a part of a story maybe not in every single episode, but there have been over 175 episodes at this point and we may very well be in the 180s by the time that we publish this and drop this particular episode, and that's our goal.
- 2:33Justin Alan Hayes: Our goal is to share the voices of ourselves, yourself and or the voice of somebody that you may know that may not be in a position to to be able to share it for a variety of reasons nobody's fault at all but there are some many stories that we learn about and we want to share, which is what has led us to additional content, not only that for the first time in 2024.
- 3:22Justin Alan Hayes: And so you're seeing different content coming from different sources and it's important.
- 3:41Justin Alan Hayes: So that's why we share it and we're grateful that you're with us.
- 3:50Justin Alan Hayes: So on an on an earlier show, we were having the discussion about health, about food ingredients, supply chains, where ingredients and where products and food and drink, where those come from, how those potentially may come from competitors or are big competitors, you know, either on the military front or just on the business front, and we talked about how intelligence gathering and spies and all that goes on, and that if a particular country wanted to hurt a population in a certain area and that certain area is consuming products from them, how easy it might be to slip things in there that shouldn't be in there, from a component and they call it a hard product.
- 5:07Justin Alan Hayes: Like a hard product, like a, like a mobile device, mobile phone, like an iPhone, a droid, uh, or like, uh, a particular drink, particular snack.
- 5:22Justin Alan Hayes: And we're not here to place blame on anybody.
- 5:31Justin Alan Hayes: We're here to talk about the reality that is the world and the reality here in the US.
- 5:41Justin Alan Hayes: We have a lot of countries, a lot of people that would like to do harm to us, and that's just a fact of the matter.
- 5:50Justin Alan Hayes: And so, as a, as a country, we we need to have our guard up pretty well more buying products, seeing you know where those products were or were made, where the product or the components, or about food, the ingredients, where were those sourced from?
- 6:17Justin Alan Hayes: Because we know for a fact here in United States that we source a whole lot from other parts of the world and that could, and it is a liability, while we might not see on a day-to-day basis, it's a liability.
- 6:53Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know exactly you know where every single component element that makes that component.
- 6:55Justin Alan Hayes: We don't, we don't know.
- 6:55Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, we can look at a package and we can talk to listen to an investor call or listen to a president or a prime minister or ambassador, but we don't truly know.
- 7:09Justin Alan Hayes: We're putting a lot of faith in those people that are looking after our backs that they're really not trying to hurt us and harm us.
- 7:22Justin Alan Hayes: So that brings you up to speed on that episode.
- 7:26Justin Alan Hayes: Where we're going to take that is another unpopular topic and we've touched on it a bit and we're going to continue to touch on it until it ceases to be a problem, until it's ceasing to hurting and killing people here in our country, in the United States and around the world.
- 7:55Justin Alan Hayes: But predominantly we live in the United States.
- 7:57Justin Alan Hayes: So that's what we're going to focus on.
- 8:03Justin Alan Hayes: We know drugs and substances are inherently not good for the body.
- 8:08Justin Alan Hayes: They just aren't.
- 8:10Justin Alan Hayes: Long term use exposure can make us very sick.
- 8:15Justin Alan Hayes: It can take our lives.
- 8:19Justin Alan Hayes: We could overdose from taking too much of a product.
- 8:24Justin Alan Hayes: Whether we know it or not, suicide is huge in our country.
- 8:35Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm not laughing, it's fine, it's because I last night I was perusing the news.
- 8:44Justin Alan Hayes: And last night I was perusing the news and there I don't remember the gentleman's name.
- 8:51Justin Alan Hayes: He was on television in one of these popular shows here in the United States called the Voice, and he was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head, and so that's a suicide.
- 9:14Justin Alan Hayes: So that's a suicide.
- 9:16Justin Alan Hayes: So was he taking illicit substances, drugs?
- 9:23Justin Alan Hayes: Excuse me, I don't know, but what I do know is he did, it came from somewhere, and what I do know is so we're turning the page from that particular story.
- 9:59Justin Alan Hayes: What I do know is, if there weren't things available good, bad and different we would not consume them.
- 10:16Justin Alan Hayes: Let me put it another way if we're not supposed to be doing something, sometimes, we sometimes knowing, yeah, we probably shouldn't be doing this or shouldn't be doing this, but we can.
- 10:34Justin Alan Hayes: What am I talking about?
- 10:37Justin Alan Hayes: I'm talking about being an adolescent under 21.
- 10:42Justin Alan Hayes: And for me, alcohol was one of the big addictions that I ended up having that really drove me down the dark path.
- 10:54Justin Alan Hayes: Really drove me down the dark path.
- 10:57Justin Alan Hayes: And I remember not being 21, but knowing that, hey, this is the law, we're not 21, so we can't legally purchase alcohol, but we could potentially find people that are, that may buy us alcohol, and so that, knowing that this is against the law and we shouldn't be doing this, that played into things, and so some people, some individuals, just that thought of well, I shouldn't be doing this, or I'm just going to try this once.
- 11:50Justin Alan Hayes: Well, if we're not talking about alcohol, we can't be talking about alcohol.
- 11:57Justin Alan Hayes: In general, you have a couple drinks alcohol.
- 12:04Justin Alan Hayes: It would not take your life.
- 12:07Justin Alan Hayes: However, depending on the type of alcohol, that could change things.
- 12:18Justin Alan Hayes: But what I'm talking about here is you know these drugs, you know heroin, cocaine, crack pills, when we're excuse me this is how it ties to the previous episode when we so we've already, so we've already also we've also went past the point of, okay, we know something's not good for us, we probably shouldn't do it.
- 12:54Justin Alan Hayes: Something's not good for us, we probably shouldn't do it, but I'm down on my luck, or I did this or tried this before.
- 13:01Justin Alan Hayes: Somebody mentioned this to me.
- 13:03Justin Alan Hayes: Let me just try it one time, or maybe that one time turns into two, to 10, to 20, to 30.
- 13:08Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know what I do know and how this relates to talking about the food and the drinks is in talking about the supply chain, not knowing where all the ingredients come from, and the more ingredients, especially that we can't pronounce.
- 13:26Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know where those are coming from.
- 13:30Justin Alan Hayes: So somebody has a substance abuse problem, an addiction, and again we're not.
- 13:36Justin Alan Hayes: Somebody has a substance abuse problem and addiction, and again we're not talking down on anybody, because I've been there from on the alcohol side and talked to a lot of people Okay, over the counter pills for me as well.
- 13:57Justin Alan Hayes: So I understand how that wanting to do something, wanting to quote-unquote, feel good, feel high, feel like I'm floating, whatever that thing or things are for you, we have these substances and they have ingredients to go into them.
- 14:30Justin Alan Hayes: So whether you're drinking the coca-cola or you're shooting heroin in your veins, there are two products.
- 14:42Justin Alan Hayes: One has a label on it, the other one doesn't.
- 14:48Justin Alan Hayes: Doesn't mean that coca-cola overall is the safest drink to have on a continuous basis.
- 14:58Justin Alan Hayes: But just making a comparison of a Coca-Cola and I'm not trying to say Coca-Cola is dealing drugs at all, so don't take it out of context A Coca-Cola with a label is a substance, it's a drink, it's a soda.
- 15:14Justin Alan Hayes: And then you have heroin that somebody is shooting up, the person that's shooting up heroin.
- 15:24Justin Alan Hayes: The only thing they know about the supply chain is who they purchased that from, who their dealer is, and is it the good stuff?
- 15:37Justin Alan Hayes: Their dealer is, and is it the good stuff?
- 15:46Justin Alan Hayes: Is it pure, which would mean it wouldn't be cut with anything, or is it not pure, which we know a lot, a high percentage of substances are cut with something we've had that previous episode where you know I talked about.
- 15:59Justin Alan Hayes: If we have two of a substance, don't worry whether it's liters or ounces.
- 16:08Justin Alan Hayes: You have two substances, two things that are not good for us to take.
- 16:13Justin Alan Hayes: So we have two.
- 16:15Justin Alan Hayes: I could sell that for $200.
- 16:20Justin Alan Hayes: Or I could cut, which means take a little bit of the first and a little bit of the second and put a filler in it.
- 16:32Justin Alan Hayes: It Just like we talk about vitamins.
- 16:36Justin Alan Hayes: If we get, let's say, pure vitamin C, that's what we're looking for is to have the closest thing to the purest form of when I'm talking about vitamin C.
- 16:51Justin Alan Hayes: But the more fillers that a vitamin manufacturer, an organization, puts in, they can make that two turn into two more and equals four.
- 17:09Justin Alan Hayes: Two for 200.
- 17:22Justin Alan Hayes: They can sell four for 400 without adding any additional.
- 17:24Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, in this case let's call vitamin c to to those.
- 17:26Justin Alan Hayes: And so there's really, we think about it how you get two to four is you're taking half, which really turns into, yeah, half of one going into another and a half but the second one going into another, and so a product, a vitamin C capsule, instead of selling a 45 count they, they could sell 90.
- 17:57Justin Alan Hayes: And they could be making a larger profit because they didn't add additional vitamin C.
- 18:11Justin Alan Hayes: They took this pile of vitamin C and then they cut it and so they put fillers in it.
- 18:19Justin Alan Hayes: So go ahead, look at your vitamin uh, look at your vitamin bottles and and see what's there.
- 18:30Justin Alan Hayes: I've gotten to be way more pickier where the vitamins.
- 18:35Justin Alan Hayes: I've done one thing, a couple things.
- 18:39Justin Alan Hayes: One is I've gone from taking many, many, many, many different individual vitamins to condensing and taking AG1, ancient greens one.
- 18:48Justin Alan Hayes: It's great.
- 18:50Justin Alan Hayes: I've been taking it once a day.
- 18:53Justin Alan Hayes: Mix it with a little bit of water, shake it up, you're good.
- 18:56Justin Alan Hayes: Once a day.
- 18:57Justin Alan Hayes: Mix it with a little bit of water, shake it up, you're good.
- 18:59Justin Alan Hayes: And so that has taken a little stress out because I don't have to open, close, open, close, open, close, and then if I'm traveling, it makes traveling very hard.
- 19:10Justin Alan Hayes: So I'm trying to do individual days and it just really gets out of control.
- 19:16Justin Alan Hayes: So I was able to do individual days and it's just really it gets out of control.
- 19:18Justin Alan Hayes: So I was able to do that, so I was able to reduce but get the same or what my body needs from particular vitamins and minerals and minerals, whereas on the flip side.
- 19:43Justin Alan Hayes: You know I was spending a lot more money, hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month, and was I getting the most pure vitamin C, the most pure vitamin D?
- 19:48Justin Alan Hayes: Probably not.
- 19:50Justin Alan Hayes: Uh no, there's a lot, of, a lot of vitamins and minerals.
- 19:56Justin Alan Hayes: You can get the pure amount.
- 19:58Justin Alan Hayes: But then it comes to how are you going to mix it and or how are you going to measure it out and then mix it?
- 20:05Justin Alan Hayes: And for me, I already have a complex mind that sometimes it just gets to be over overload, sometimes it just gets to be an over overload.
- 20:18Justin Alan Hayes: But bringing back to our conversation that person that's taking substances for whatever reason, because we're not here to talk down on anybody, we're here to talk about that supply chain.
- 20:35Justin Alan Hayes: So a person that has heroin getting ready to shoot in their veins, again, supply chain-wise, they know.
- 20:45Justin Alan Hayes: And sometimes maybe they don't know, because maybe if they purchase in a group buy situation, maybe there's a point person and they buy for four or five.
- 20:57Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know how that buying process goes.
- 20:59Justin Alan Hayes: So in that case, that individual who's getting ready to do heroin, they're not even going to know who the dealer is, who are they buying it from.
- 21:19Justin Alan Hayes: On the other case, they may know who they're buying it from.
- 21:24Justin Alan Hayes: But aside from that, they don't know the middle person.
- 21:27Justin Alan Hayes: But aside from that, they don't know the middle person, they don't know the person or persons that have come across the border or come through a tunnel underneath the border.
- 21:44Justin Alan Hayes: We know those exist.
- 21:44Justin Alan Hayes: So it's 2025 and we weren't born yesterday.
- 21:47Justin Alan Hayes: So then that supply chain adds that layer of where are those elements going into the heroin coming from?
- 21:57Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah, and then that thing called fentanyl, and fentanyl comes from China, and China is way on one side of the world and we're in the United States on the other side of the world.
- 22:16Justin Alan Hayes: Somehow, someway, it finds its way here to the United States.
- 22:24Justin Alan Hayes: And it finds its way here to the United States.
- 22:31Justin Alan Hayes: It finds its way into substances.
- 22:33Justin Alan Hayes: Pure People know that.
- 22:36Justin Alan Hayes: Hey, I know I'm taking fentanyl and I know that so much hurts somebody, so I know that I don't want to take as much as that because I don't want to get hurt or end up in the hospital or worse.
- 22:55Justin Alan Hayes: Or it could be in the substance.
- 22:56Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah, I'm buying a cap of heroin.
- 23:00Justin Alan Hayes: It doesn't say I'm buying a cap of heroin and fentanyl.
- 23:03Justin Alan Hayes: So not all individuals know that that's happening, but it is is happening and people are getting hurt and people end up in hospitals.
- 23:09Justin Alan Hayes: There's a lot of people dying from this, and so that's why that's why we're talking about this, and we're talking about this and this episode as well as other episodes, because it is a problem, and so until fentanyl stops coming across the border here in the United States and until people stop dying from fentanyl, overdoses and really any substance that's coming from anywhere that has illicit intentions, we're going to continue talking about it.
- 23:50Justin Alan Hayes: So if that isn't something you want to hear, well, maybe you or somebody you know could be part of the problem.
- 23:59Justin Alan Hayes: That's not on me.
- 24:01Justin Alan Hayes: It's not on us as an organization.
- 24:04Justin Alan Hayes: What is on us is to share and to talk about these tough topics at times, because there are people who were here yesterday and they're not here today, and so a lot.
- 24:34Justin Alan Hayes: Some individuals, even in our own country, are upset about the current administration, the new administration.
- 24:36Justin Alan Hayes: I don't care what your political affiliation, I don't care, it's democrat, republican, libertarian, independent.
- 24:44Justin Alan Hayes: I want somebody who's taking action and is trying to help people and we can question well, this person's done this wrong and this person's done that Well, who cares?
- 24:57Justin Alan Hayes: We've all done things wrong.
- 24:58Justin Alan Hayes: We all have skeletons in a closet.
- 25:02Justin Alan Hayes: We've all been through some crazy stuff, we've all been through trauma.
- 25:07Justin Alan Hayes: So let's put that aside and let's actually start fixing these things.
- 25:13Justin Alan Hayes: And so when the new administration comes in and they're taking people who shouldn't be in the country, uh, that are the worst of the worst.
- 25:24Justin Alan Hayes: You know gang members here from other countries, other countries.
- 25:28Justin Alan Hayes: They'll empty their prisons and then they walk right here in the united states and then they commit other crimes.
- 25:33Justin Alan Hayes: There's people like lake and riley, like her, who is no longer here because somebody that should never have been in our country.
- 25:43Justin Alan Hayes: We're all for legal immigration.
- 25:46Justin Alan Hayes: You go through the process that my grandparents and your grandparents and people who followed the law, so don't get into this debate.
- 26:00Justin Alan Hayes: Well, he's talking about all immigrants.
- 26:03Justin Alan Hayes: If you go, you do it the right way, then there's no problem.
- 26:09Justin Alan Hayes: It's when we don't, and when we have that and we've had people in leadership you want to call it who the last four years who haven't done a darn thing then it looks really extreme.
- 26:25Justin Alan Hayes: When the new administration comes in and they're starting to handle business and one of those areas of business is fentanyl, the united states.
- 26:36Justin Alan Hayes: We don't want that in our country.
- 26:39Justin Alan Hayes: No way, no, how doesn't matter where it comes from.
- 26:43Justin Alan Hayes: We don't want substances, other substances that are harming and hurting and killing and putting far too many people in that you know life or death situation of the thought of taking their own lives, and we know how much mental health and mental illness plays into it.
- 27:09Justin Alan Hayes: I've been a thousand percent transparent about my own.
- 27:13Justin Alan Hayes: It's not easy.
- 27:15Justin Alan Hayes: It's not easy for anybody.
- 27:16Justin Alan Hayes: It's not a curable thing Like oh, I'm cured today, so I'm all back to new.
- 27:24Justin Alan Hayes: We have good days, we have bad days, but fentanyl is part of a supply chain.
- 27:30Justin Alan Hayes: Supply chain starts in china.
- 27:33Justin Alan Hayes: That's where the previous episode we talked about, as well as early in this episode, about food and drink and the substance of different things.
- 27:46Justin Alan Hayes: Different components, different ingredients come from different areas or different countries.
- 27:51Justin Alan Hayes: Different full products come from different areas of the world.
- 27:56Justin Alan Hayes: We know fentanyl comes from China and if they interesting part is, I don't believe they have a.
- 28:02Justin Alan Hayes: Fentanyl comes from China and the interesting part is I don't believe they have a fentanyl problem in China, though I could be wrong, but I don't think they do.
- 28:11Justin Alan Hayes: So that makes you wonder, right, a country that is exporting fentanyl, but yet that country that is producing it, they don't have a fentanyl problem.
- 28:27Justin Alan Hayes: Hmm, makes you wonder now, doesn't it, doesn't it?
- 28:32Justin Alan Hayes: So that's where, you know, talking about the supply chain with food and drink and clothing comes into play.
- 28:41Justin Alan Hayes: If a country, a government, an organization wants to do harm, and the country is able to do harm like fentanyl, what puts past them where they wouldn't put something in food or drink or something that's going to come in close contact with their skin to be absorbable.
- 29:17Justin Alan Hayes: That's really the conversation.
- 29:20Justin Alan Hayes: That's really what we're talking about here.
- 29:23Justin Alan Hayes: So, voices for Voices.
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