Latest / The Emerging Markets Podcast with Fexingo: Developing Economies, Growth, and Investment / How Emerging Market Car Makers Are Winning the EV Race
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- Lucas: So the latest trade numbers out of China show exports of goods and services climbing to about three point seven five trillion dollars annualized in April, up from three point five trillion earlier in the year. And a big chunk of that surge is vehicles, especially electric ones. Luna: Right, and it's not just the volume — it's the direction. Chinese EV makers are now setting up factories in places like Brazil and Indonesia, not just shipping from Shanghai. Lucas: Exactly, and that's reshaping how we think about emerging markets. For years, the story was about low-cost manufacturing and commodity exports. Now you have Chinese automakers like BYD building vertically integrated supply chains that stretch from lithium mines in South America to assembly plants in Southeast Asia. Luna: And that's changing the investment picture too. I mean, look at the divergence this week — China ETFs are down one to two percent while Brazil and Taiwan are up. That's not just noise. Lucas: It's a structural shift. And before we go deeper, I want to mention something that keeps this show independent and ad-free. If you find these conversations useful, consider supporting us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's a small gesture, but it genuinely helps us keep doing this. Luna: Yeah, we really appreciate it. And it's what lets us keep digging into stories like this one without worrying about sponsors. Lucas: So back to the EV story. The key number here is that China now exports more cars than Japan, and EVs are the backbone. But the real game changer is how they're building factories closer to their customers. Luna: Brazil is a perfect example. BYD announced a massive complex there, and it's not just assembly — they're bringing the whole supply chain, from battery cells to final assembly. Lucas: And that's why the trade data matters. When you build in Brazil, you're not just exporting cars from China anymore. You're creating a local ecosystem that pulls in investment, jobs, and technology transfer. That's a different kind of globalization. Luna: And it's not just Brazil. Indonesia is positioning itself as a nickel hub, and they're leveraging that to attract EV battery makers. Even as the Chinese market itself slows, these companies are going global. Lucas: Right, and that's where the divergence in emerging markets comes from. You have countries that are plugging into this new EV supply chain — Brazil, Indonesia, maybe Mexico — and they're seeing inflows. Meanwhile, places that are more exposed to the traditional tech cycle, like China and Korea, are facing headwinds. Luna: And the data backs that up. This week, the iShares MSCI Brazil ETF is up nearly two percent over five days, while the China large-cap ETF is down almost two percent. That's a pretty stark split. Lucas: It's not just about EVs, of course. There's also the AI trade and the commodity cycle. But the EV story is one that ties together trade, investment, and policy in a way that's really tangible. Luna: And it's not just manufacturing. The software and battery management systems are becoming a bigger part of the value chain, and that's where Chinese companies have an edge. Lucas: Absolutely. And that's why we're seeing these companies outperform the broader indexes. When you look at emerging market tech giants, the ones that are vertically integrated and have global ambitions are the ones that are winning. Luna: So what does this mean for an investor? Should we be looking at countries that are becoming part of this EV supply chain? Lucas: I think the takeaway is that the old EM playbook — buy the index and hope for a rising tide — is less effective now. You really need to look at where the value is being created, and that's often in specific industries and specific countries. Luna: And that's a more demanding approach, but it's also where the opportunity is. Lucas: Right. And the trade numbers we started with are just one signal. When you see exports climbing and the dollar easing slightly — the trade-weighted index is down a bit this week — that's a supportive backdrop for EM assets. But the real story is the structural shift within those markets. Luna: Yeah, and I think that's the key point: it's not a rising tide anymore. It's a tide that's lifting specific boats. Lucas: Exactly. And as we watch this play out, the companies and countries that adapt to this new reality are going to be the ones that thrive. The ones that don't, well, they'll be left behind. Luna: It's a fascinating time to be watching emerging markets, that's for sure. Lucas: And we'll be here to help you make sense of it. Thanks for listening.