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58. Healing with humor and laughing through divorce: An interview with comedian Michele Traina · Dear Divorce Diary: A Fresh Approach To Healing Grief & Building A Life Of Confidence After Divorce

• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Hi, love, this is Dawn, and you're listening to Dear Divorce Diary with my coach, dawn, where we explore the post-divorce life and you, the woman who lives it.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: We cover everything from trauma during and after divorce to feeling like a stranger in your own life and the new frontier of life as a single woman.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: We're cozy in for the conversations we've been longing to have about this new life.
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Hi, loves, we have such a treat for you today.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: We are doing something completely different.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: We have an amazing guest on the show who is going to make us laugh.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: Her name is Michelle Trayna.
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: She's an actor, a comedian, a writer and she created the show called Divorce Diaries, which you can find on Amazon Prime.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: She has her very own Amazon special And a couple of things that I just love about Michelle is that she is also divorced, so she's in the club Hello And she really values healing through humor, and she has said this about herself in the past that she often runs up against failures by trusting the wrong people, giving them empathy and, at times, being too trusting.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: She's a fireball of energy and emotions and, when taken advantage of too many times, can be reactive, but is always apologetic, unapologetically or unapologetically.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: Michelle responsible for her behavior and duty to be a good mom and good person.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: I just think Michelle is so relatable and I cannot wait for us to have fun together in this hour.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome, michelle.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Hi, thank you for having me, Dawn.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: That was a really great intro.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: I love that I am, I apologize And I then also unapologize sometimes.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: OK, first things first.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about what asshole names their podcast, your divorce diary, when there was already a comedy show called Divorce Diaries?
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: Me, I'm the asshole.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not an asshole.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: First of all, I love that you're so.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: You brought it up because I didn't notice the name similarities until after I found I was Googling divorce coaches and divorce lawyers in Boca Raton when I was marketing and that's how I connect with you.
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like she sounds familiar And I saw her podcast is to your divorce diary is pretty cool, So I have run up against this problem and it's not a problem, really, it's just.
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: It's just what it is Like.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not the first person to take a name and say, oh someone else, hey, this name is great too.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: So I have had people who use divorce diaries.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: There's, there's other things out there.
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah to do an extensive research with my entertainment lawyer when I was doing the pilot OK, before the Amazon Prime Special to I have an LLC divorce diaries.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: I had to trademark the name which technically I had to pay.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: I paid like I paid some hefty money to.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: The government came back and said it's too generic.
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Bummer.
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: And it was so it ended up sitting.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: My lawyer and I decided we have to just leave it as like an unofficial trademark And then if we want to battle somebody for doing something similar.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: Not battle, that's just the wrong word.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: But let's not battle, Michelle.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: Let's not battle.
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: Not you, Not you.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: I got a juicy story not you, but like people, there was somebody using the name as a podcast divorce diaries And we did like identical identical.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: And he, he actually he did know about me because he liked some of my stuff and I thought it was odd.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: So I let it be for a couple of years, and then he reached out to someone that works for me.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: They do something.
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: Ball that person.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: But so I don't know if it was intentional.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: I think it just happened a bit like he found him on five or that kind of thing.
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: So long story short, the guy did actually shift his name because my producer got involved and helped me a little bit, but it is something I hate to deal with because I'm a nice person and I don't want to get in conflict with people.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: But it also is something that when someone is using the name or similar and I don't know them, i either want to reach out and say, hey, this is kind of cool, like we did.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know your response was.
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: So you said great minds think alike, right, and I just was there.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, i love her And I think that when I have approach, so so this guy, that approach of that other guy wasn't like that the second time around, because when I found out that he reached out to somebody that were, i was kind of like that's weird.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: But for the first time I liked stuff and he liked myself, So I left it alone.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: But I want to have a juicy story about this.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: Tell us.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: Before I slept with the producer who I had a romance with two years ago, who helped me and guided me with my pilot.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: He brought a friend to my show in LA who's a reality TV producer, And now she has.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: now she I'm heated about this.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: OK, OK.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Podcast or something, a blog that is in very close proximity to my name.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: It is not.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the name, but she changed the words up.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying I know.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: So this little, this guy.
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not the guy you slept with.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: OK, he's a producer.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: He's in the divorce community too, and had a divorce podcast And now he.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: now he stopped doing it.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: I noticed this a while ago and I was like what the fuck?
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: This woman was at my show.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: Hey, guess what?
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: I would have been happy if she connected with me.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: So this is a great name.
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: I let's say, can I?
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: she didn't.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: after the show, she did nothing, she didn't follow me, nothing no collaboration.
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: And she's huge following.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: Following following And I felt so jaded by this guy And I every time.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: I had to like stop looking at what she's doing, because I recently saw it and I was like What if this woman creates a show with a similar title?
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: and then, like, i've been working my ass off.
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: So, I have had bad anxiety about stuff like that.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: But if the other day.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: I have to and not to go off on a rant about it, but I was like I can't wait to tell Dawn this story.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: She's like oh, damn, yes, and it felt really like I don't think that anything one did anything.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Let's fuck with this woman.
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: Like malicious, not like intentionally, but also.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: But there's but there's something there that made me feel a little weird, yeah, and I felt like you, I have my show girl.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: And then that name came up pretty quite soon after Wow.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: that sucks.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: I hate that for you.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I feel like I have to stop paying attention to whether it's just going to eat it myself.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there's one, michelle Trena, fuck it.
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we do on the pod, we do like a good vibes, only It's not good vibes only because sometimes we have to say, oh, i meant to warn you in the beginning of the episode that there might be more f bombs today.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going to, we're going to say all the things right, but then, strategically, to get great results in life, we have to stop focusing on the shit right, cause otherwise, yeah, I get eats at your soul because then I start comparing myself to this other woman who is putting out there that you know she's trying to help other women.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: I mean it made me feel really bad because I'm like, okay, that could be true, but like that this whole thing set me down Right And she, she didn't live that out loud with you.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: So there's something there that like doesn't feel aligned or like, and I and I'm going to be looked at is that, yes, doesn't feel aligned And it also feels like she probably would deny every any little piece of like.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: oh well, i saw your name and thought that was a good idea.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: She probably deny it.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Also, the guy that she's still friends with that I had a romance with that.
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: I was depressed from about what happened afterwards.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: Like you caught some feels you caught some little little feels.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he deserted me after everything, he just whatever.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: So I felt like, and he was.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: He introduced another producer to me for my pilot.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: That then ghosted me too, after everything.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: So don't sleep with the Hollywood producer, i know.
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: Long story short TLDR.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, Tell us, tell us everything about how well you were.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: You were a comedian and actor, a trained actor, right, Yeah, Before you got divorced.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: But then you get divorced and PS friends, you could watch all of this on her Amazon Prime Special historical.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: But you get divorced and then you decide to turn it into a show.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: Tell us about how that helped you heal like or like, just not like, feel so shitty.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, So my entire life has been me creating from my life to build myself confidence, build positive energy, build.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: You know, that sparks my drive within me.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: Right, It's creating.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: So the natural progression was to create from my life when I got divorced, because prior to my divorce, I had always created for my life.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I did a one woman show in New York called how to be a successful teacher.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: It was in the United solo festival back in 2013.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: So that was one piece that was like a star pre prequel to what divorce stories would be calm, which was a one woman show.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: Right, And in college I had written styles of one woman pieces before, but in general, I always created from what was going on in my life.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: And so when I moved back home with my parents, my grandmother, my handicap dog, my daughter was potty training alongside my grandmother.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, but I'm laughing right now, is that okay?
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: That's oh yeah, a comedian on to to always laugh, So that's okay.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: But the funny part is like that's what's really happened And I thought, yeah, you can't make this stuff up.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: I wish this was like a reality show, because at the time I used to watch, and still do.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: I watched, I love.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a Bravo TV fanatic.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: I love this real housewife Vander Pumper rules And I would watch those shows and think, gosh, I wish a camera could follow me around in my life, because this is like good, good content.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: It's good content.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: And the name divorce diary is kept coming up because I write every day and a diary in a diary.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: So, um, and then I also perform.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: So I was just like this would be a great piece.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: Why don't I start building something for the stage going from there?
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: And then I always felt like in my heart of hearts it was a TV show.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: But I knew that in order to get the content out there, the idea out there, i need to start creating and building something something right, so here we go.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: Love that, okay.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: So part of how my dear divorce diary came to be is also because I am a huge advocate of journaling.
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: I created this 21 day right Post divorce roadmap teaching people how to journal.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: It's like an immersive experience.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: And so talk about how, like the role that writing plays in your life, and I've watched you on your Instagram stories 5am writers club And I'm like yes, girl, get it Right.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Um, yes, yeah, like writing.
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the journaling component is like helps clean all the cobwebs out of your head to get to the good stuff when you're actually writing a script or writing a book.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: I believe that I was writing one's life, or for writing my life, right, it helps with jokes, so for so there's two components for the 5am writers club I found on Twitter.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: I was hooked on it.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: It helped me stay on a routine with my writing, with getting my own, my own space for quiet time and my journey.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: I really love it.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I've been.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: I've been failing at it lately because of my daughter schedule and my work schedule with with.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: I film for other projects in the city and it's a lot So getting up at five sometimes gets pushed aside, but it is for me something that brings out my best writing, even if it's not just.
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: if it's just journaling.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: then if I write an hour or two later, i get the better stuff out.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Better content yes, Yes, journaling has helped tremendously.
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: I used to write letters to exploit friends to get out all my feelings.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: Did you have voodoo dolls to go with the letters?
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't, but I had, I boxed.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: This is actually true, oh, like with gloves, i boxed, yeah.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: So I went to used to go to a trainer and box with him.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: And that would help.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Writing and doing those two things when I would going through some tough times with men would help.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: I know it's not just men, there's other stuff that goes on but writing out feelings I have, even if it's my ex-husband and I'm trying to communicate appropriately with co-parenting, or an ex-boyfriend that's not communicating to me, is making me feel a certain way.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Writing it out in my journal or my artist notes or writing letters out really, would really help.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should do divorce diaries, letters, and you guys could see all the craziness that ensues in my brain.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, we would love that.
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: So talk to us about as you're moving through the divorce process and maybe getting to a place where things are not so hot, right Like a couple of years down the road.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: What's it like to still have this show that you've built now, that like, how do you do that piece where it's like you want to let it go?
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: personally, but professionally, you've built this amazing, rich content.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: I have had that question before.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I have had people say it in different phrases, but so like, so I love this.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: Like people will say well, what about when you get remarried?
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: You have more to talk about than just divorce.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: Divorce leaves a bad taste in people's mouth, Okay, so for me, my divorce helped me get back to my identity.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: You, yeah, Same same.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Right, so I will never stop talking about it, because it's a part of me, it's a part of my business.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: I am constantly meeting people who have gone through divorce, who suffer and are in pain and are trying to heal, and it's also.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: Divorce is also a parallel to feeling like you're on the outskirts, and for most of my life I felt like I was on the outskirts.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Like other, like different, like not quite fitting.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like there's probably people that are feeling.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Everyone, I think, feels that way.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: I think we all feel that way And it's so funny because we're all watching each other, thinking like, oh, they're in and we're all feeling out.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: We're all really out.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I also feel like I kind of beat to a drum, a different drum than the atypical 41 year old mom, whereas, like they, people want this stability and this structure, and I do want stability and structure, but I couldn't imagine not pursuing being an actor or pursuing getting my Shona series or these other goals that mean so much to me and just settling.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: So, and a lot of people end up settling because of the fear, right?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: So reach.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Right, the fear gets inside of everybody.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And then they oh, it's overwhelming, and it does get inside me too, but I refuse, like I want to keep experiencing this journey.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, i want to be able to pay rent.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: So some days are like come on, The little details, little details.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: And I feel like divorce is not so much this cloud.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: for me It's more of the tunnel that got to the light.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: And so I'll always talk about it.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: It's just the way it'll shift throughout my next couple of years.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: I have chills, i feel like.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So, similarly, like the thing that made me ever even want to be a therapist.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade and my parents were going through it And I think your parents are still married, but right, and it wasn't even so much their divorce.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: That was the trauma.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: It was their trauma, that was the trauma, but it definitely set me on a path that shaped my life, that then did lead to my own divorce and which led to my dare I call it an awakening, but like return to myself for the first time ever in my life, probably.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: And so it's like such a portal, and that's why I'm so passionate about helping women.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: So I think that and I also feel like people think that divorces this, you know, walking the plank.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Where I feel like, and it depends.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody's situation is different.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: My parents were married for 45 years, madly in love.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: But they threatened divorce all the time.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: All the time.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: But they did really like.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: my dad died three years ago And my mom is it's very hard for my mom.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: She's her best friend.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I mean when I say soulmates, to the level of life.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Part of me is, like God, that pain must be so hard that I'm kind of glad I don't experience it, but at the same time, i do want that love which is the journey of divorce stories is actually about me finding that same kind of love that my parents have, because it was love at first sight, very old school, like soulmate story you hear in movies, and it's like I could not find that That was not my journey.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: So let's say stay tuned, Stay tuned, right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: at this point I feel like I'm just gonna sell on a good dog That's a good companion.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: There's something to be said.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Lil puts over there in the sun.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: My little Frenchie, a good dog, does a lot, yeah, yeah, okay.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So tell us how you juggle being a single mom and all of this, right Cause you travel, you perform, you co-parent, you all those things.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: How do you juggle all that?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: So main big component of it is that I have a very supportive mom and she helps me a lot My mom and my dad my now again my dad has passed, but in moving home with them, for I was home with them for five years.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So I started the standup journey during the time I was living at home.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I had done improv for years.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I had been in the comedy scene in that way, but never in standup.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: So when I started doing standup I was able to leave to do certain things because my parents were there but I didn't really start traveling till I moved out.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I got my own apartment Again, though my parents really helped.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: My mom helped me.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: My ex-husband definitely steps up and takes.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I try to plan the travel dates when she's with her father or my mom will help me Now.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: things have shifted in the last couple of years because of COVID, because my mom is getting older.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I lost my dad.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot my daughter's getting older.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Things are shifting, so I basically try to coordinate my schedule with my daughter's gymnastics schedule, the COVID schedule and availability, and it's hard but it's difficult, it's hard Yeah.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Wow, so amazing.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So you must talk to a lot of women, a lot of right, and so what stands out to you is the things we struggle with most.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You talk about some of it in the show.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts actually is when you're talking about all the different types of moms in the drop-off.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And I want to preface this with and I always think are they gonna get pissed off?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But some of the school moms came to my show in October and they were like yes, that's not me.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And they were laughing and poking fun and it's great.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: But I will tell you, I feel like we all have those hats on sometimes.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that Like masks Like those masks.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I was never the class mom, but I'm sure I could play that mom sometimes.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: It's always annoyed about something and complaining about something.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Then there's the moms and the competition moms, because now my daughter's in competition And I experienced it yesterday where I was like I try to see the good in everybody And those little things that are funny to me.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I have to poke fun at it because, like-.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Why are you asking me what somebody else's child score is?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And you're not even in this level.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Stop texting me.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Go have sex with your husband and enjoy your Sunday.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: What is wrong with you?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: This is like I couldn't believe it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I was like all right, i was getting texts from a mom who wasn't even at the meet, whose daughter's session was at the session before my daughters, and she's texting me things, things.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know at the meet I'm like are you here?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Right, and so do.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: do we know where them right?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Do we know where they like to do the?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: do those busy bodies know that they're busy bodies?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I think I have to.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I have to put I have to.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to put I, because I really like that mom.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: She's very nice to me, but she, when she says things about other moms, i'm like what the heck are you saying about me, my kid?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So I do want to bring it up in a funny way, cause she's come to my show.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: before I want to bring it up, she comes to my show.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: This is like part of your mission in life is to help us see ourselves more clearly.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Well, i know what I look like and I look like a hot mess.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, i I can only imagine what does she.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine the moms mistake.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Does she make a living doing that?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Like maybe she should worry about her kids, adhd and not her next set, or something like, something like and like not something like that I think.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But I also think like I'm okay to take, i can take a poke at, but I think that there's a lot of pressure for us as women.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So the thing that I connect with a lot with, with women that are similar in similar positions, or even women that are not, even if they're married or don't have kids, is the feeling on the outskirts and not feeling like we are.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Do we comparing ourselves to other?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: people And I try to poke fun at that, especially through my own insecurities and say Hey, look, you know we're not alone, cause you can look really beautiful and still have these insecurities about yourself.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Like I have no upper lip and I was joking about that on stage.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like is this why I don't have a boyfriend?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like that's it, you figured it out.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: It's the upper lip is precious.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: My forehead ate it, that's hoping your forehead ate it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: That's good, that's good, it's pretty big, but it's okay.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But you know what I have this year decided?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I am reclaiming my face right Like.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Like I let go of the Botox, i let go of the concealer and the like.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: This is my face Like hello, skin is beautiful.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, i, if I could afford Botox.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I will be honest, i'm not going to bring it up, bring it, bring it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: No, i'm shameless Plugged my new trick that I want to love, but I just I need to get more consistent with it Is this thing called frownies?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Have you seen on Instagram people with these like things on their foreheads?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: So I've tried it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I've done it about a half a dozen times, but you have to be consistent with anything you know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But it gets rid of the wrinkles.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, it trains your forehead to not.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you see this?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I have this therapist Me too.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Like cause.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: You know, this is dating right here.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: This is okay, if you're on YouTube, you can see us making faces at each other.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: If you're not on YouTube, imagine it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, if you're not on YouTube, take your forehead and push, hold it apart for 30 times a day.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: That's going to be the therapy.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, i take a roller to my face and here's the thing is like.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I think that's.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: The issue is that we, with women, we compare ourselves to these other things, whereas men will bang an oak tree, that's like got a raccoon humping it on the other side.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So why do we care?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Why do we care?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Why do we care?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, All right, You're spot on right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And we talk about this so much on the pod is when we're doing that comparing thing, when we're scrolling, it's like we're actively disconnecting ourselves from the wisdom that's inside.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I hate to get all woo-woo about it, but it's my thing right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Because there's this wisdom inside that says go create, live, laugh, fuck some shit up, go do the things.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And every time we're comparing and we try to hold ourselves to be the same as or similar to, we lose our own individual spark 100%, and I think that that is something that has to come from within.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I think that if we can, if and it's hard because we do we were I mean my daughter's experiencing it in the fifth grade, you know kids are comparing, because kids are definitely in a play And I think that I, i think confidence I'm working on my confidence get coming from a place of accountability And I I read, i read and listened to Edmai let a lot He's a huge definitely recommend him.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Motivational speaking, that is to another level.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: That has actually helped me and you know, in physical things I've seen it help me in.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So he talks about how confidence is, you know, following through on things.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So if I'm going to get up at 5am three days out of the week and I do that, that's supposed to help me build my confidence And it does, i've seen it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So I focused more.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I try to focus more on that as opposed to my skin is not as good at.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: My skin looks horrible on stage compared to this person because it doesn't do me any good.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: None literally does nothing And it just will, and then, at the end of the day, it's it just drives me down a spiral.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: So it's the idea that consistency is queen when it comes to building confidence.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, follow through Love that, love that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we were chatting about this a slight bit before we hit like official start record, right, but talk to us about improv and, like, tell us like what is improv a little bit, and how do you see improv helping people with self expression, with feeling more comfortable with themselves with?
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: because, because you are trained in improv, right, yes, and?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and at the end of your show you do some improv and it's honestly one of my favorite parts of the show.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So if you watch the Amazon Prime special you'll see the improv part with about there's like by myself and I do this thing letter to my ex, where the audience members have written a line to their ex if they were to see their ex in front of them.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And then I do this letter to my ex and I use those lines to get give them a monologue of what we would say to their ex.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So our listeners.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Their brains are on fire right now because we all have that line right And we've all rehearsed it at 5am.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, 5am exactly, and or when you see a picture of them like looking like they're succeeding in life, you just want to be like yeah, karma forgot your address.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Huh, so I so, and then sometimes I have special guests come on the stage, my writers from the divorce series, tv series that we're still we're still developing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: They came on stage in the Amazon Prime special and they did a whole set of who are you the best?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So sometimes we play multiple games, but the biggest game is a letter to my ex and it's one of my favorites and and really want to share this piece of story with you real quick about my shows in Ohio two weekends, two weekends ago, i asked for a suggestion from the audience.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Like occupation, give me your ex's occupation.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So someone shouted out the president Okay, and I picked the.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't look at the lines before, i just pick them right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I opened it up and I was like, wow, god is looking up above and the line said so.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I said to my ex, mr Joe Biden, and I opened the letter and it said I can't believe you're still alive.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was perfect and it was like okay, to the Biden family No, but like yeah, yeah, joking about because he's so.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how the yeah, like how the universe is kind of new, to put that.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: with that, like I know you can't make this stuff up.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And it also more importantly I was thinking about this yesterday because we're transitioning divorce staries into doing more the theatrical, theatrical version in a theater where you would incorporate that kind of game at a deeper level in other parts of the standup material right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So that is, the audience gets real lit up and excited with that game.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And that's the difference between divorce diaries and another standup special or another show, a live show, and then we're trying to bring, we're working on with, with improv.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in itself, it helps people get out all that frustration in a way that's healthy, right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So from my perspective, personally, even so, much of my healing journey whether it was divorce or all of my other much deeper, darker shit that I've- worked through in life.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You know, we all have those really kind of obsessive thoughts, those conversations we have in our mind with people, this shit that we can't shake right, that that just keeps resurfacing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And I think about what you're saying.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That because when you watch the end of the special, people have some dark lines right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's like some of their juiciest raw stuff that they would love to say to their ex.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And it must be such a good feeling to be able to play that out with a person.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I have done the show since 20,.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I first started doing the show around 2016.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And when I added this part, an old college professor told me to do this.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: She told me to ask the audience for a line they'd say to their ex.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So, shout out Maggie Lally, she gave me this.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Now my producer, david Voxmullen, helped me with the letter to the ex, because sometimes I do the show completely by myself without any features, and it's hard to do improv by yourself because you need a improv partner.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So he said he's like you can do this game called scraps with just the lines.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And then when you read some of these lines, people are I mean yeah, they do feel a certain way about their exes And then then feeling it out through another person So they're not in the hot seat, does help, i believe.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, i also think that if we were to do something like a workshop, or when I've done workshops or I've done improv classes, it does get people feeling good about themselves, it gets the blood flowing, it gets their energy to a level, and I'm gonna probably use the wrong terms, but there's something about what the improv does with their motivation or drive, especially when they hear laughter that gets them to another level, Exciting.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: it opens them up.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: It's that experience of validation.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It motivates them.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Validation right there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you, actually, that's exactly what I was looking for.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I have, especially when I worked with my former theater student, when I taught theater and I did a lot of improv with all age groups from kindergarten, preschool to college.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So cool Improv wakes people up.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wakes people up.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Well, because it's the I still teach It's the act of expression instead of suppression, right, And suppression creates depression.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Here I'm with all the pressions, right, And so improv is an ultimate expression which does it literally lifts.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so what I loved, my favorite part for myself with healing and not that to make it, it was doing my exes, my ex-boyfriends, not so much my ex-husband.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a little bit of a weary line there with my daughter not wanting to really put him out on the hot seat but, I figured my ex-boyfriends were.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I created these characters.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Safe yeah, and so I would do.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I would be like yo, what's going on?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I'm a cop, you know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Like I serve and protect, I protect and serve.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I'll protect Michelle, unless I'm getting overtime, like I start, you know, and I just start riffing off of that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: You know, because some of the lines that you hear from from these men and I know women too, it's not just men, but the men I would date would be like are you kidding me?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Like he would say to me stuff like I can't pick you up because I have to drive my mom to Philly.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: What?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Why can't you tell your mom to take the other 10 brothers and sisters you have, which was true, And as the end of drive to Philly, we have a date.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my word, sorry, you went down the van right there, oh my word, okay.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So later this year we He shared my likes for him, you shared your.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: That was a lot of effort, right, that was a lot of effort, okay.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: So later this year we're launching a membership called a different D word Let your mind run with that one And in the membership I would love for you to come and do some improv workshops with us, because I think that would be a super fun way to heal.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I think that too often people like me you crack on coaches in the beginning of the special and I, fricking, laughed so hard.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the coaches.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But therapists and coaches right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Too often we put way too much emphasis on very serious ways of healing when, quite frankly, some of the best ways of healing are what we're talking about laughter And yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And you know what I will say this with the coaches.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I poke fun at it because there's so many.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: There's so many.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: More power too.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But listen, people can poke fun at me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: You're a comedian, Oh, but like you find I try to do that too.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: When people say you're not funny, You a man or a woman?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I get that a lot.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: People don't know what gender I am.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't really care, Just buy a ticket to the show.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, people can be very mean, And so what makes me laugh is that, like they think, by saying that to me, that's gonna trigger me.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Whereas.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I don't give a crap Like whatever you wanna think, i am think I do, i love about you.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you, but no, the coaches.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: So I have had there's a coach who actually helped me talk me off a ledge.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: She has like a co-parenting coach, but she told me that because of my co-parenting relationship I used to be very subjective.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: When I was speaking to him And I texted her, i said, oh my God, he like and she's like all right, here's what you do.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So she helped me find the language And I think that there is coaches do help.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: But I ran into a lot of coaches when I first got, like did the show, and I was like, oh my God, everyone's becoming a divorce coach, like it's just funny to me.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: It's like I feel like if we got to the point where we're divorced, i don't know if we need a coach anymore.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But we made it, baby, we made it, yeah.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Well, i think, much like you and I have both found inspiration from our own processes, right?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I think that sometimes we find that and then we wanna pass it on And it's intoxicating, yeah yeah, i think that if you have a journey and an experience, anybody could help somebody else through that journey and experience in itself.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: So we all have something to share and communicate And I mean that's why I love storytelling, because it can help somebody through it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And the craft of storytelling, comedy, acting, writing, the whole nine yards.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: All these different forms of connection.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we really are all in it together, except that guy that had to take his mom to Philly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: We're not.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: The cop.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I call him the cop in the show.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: We have the TV pilot, which we haven't released out to the public because it's running film festivals, but you would see him in the TV pilot.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So you already filmed it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we filmed it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: So I filmed it two years ago, but I have since then signed with a producer and a team that rewrote six episodes for season one, including a reshoot of the pilot, which would be more in the lens of my producer's team and my team now, whereas when we shot the proof of concept, the original pilot, i brought everybody on and to try to bring this concept to life.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And now I had to learn a lot as a filmmaker And it's a great journey And I got a little bit of the bug of filmmaking.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Now, not a little bit, a lot, but it's a journey because we have to.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So when you're making reels and stuff, are you using some of that?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Oh well, so okay.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: So the reels.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I have used pieces of the pilot in some of my reels but, i, actually haven't released.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I think I just posted yesterday or reposted something from the pilot, and I can share the pilot trailer with you too.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I think I've shared it now on my Instagram, but it's been a while, so I think I'm gonna start bringing some.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: We'll post it in the show next.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and we're gonna be starting another.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I've been looking for an investor for the TV series for the season one.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So, ladies, if you know anyone, yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Well, i don't know.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: So, ladies, if you know anybody and if not, we, i think, are gonna go the Kickstarter route again, which is hard too, because it's like a full-time job to run those things, but we need to film at least three episodes.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: We wanted to film six and we're thinking of filming three now if we can't raise the amount of money we need.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So that's what we're going, because in the ideas of, like Netflix, knocking on the door, it's harder.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: it's hard for that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: So build it and they'll come.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's Build it, amen, yep.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So this is what I'm so impressed with to hear you talk.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's like you just keep going.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, right, you just this is the secret sauce to life You keep going and you have a vision and you keep building towards that vision and screw anybody else, or whether it's easy, or whether it's hard, and you just keep going in the direction of your dreams.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the beauty.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear that you feel that way from talking to me, because I do feel that that's been a consistent theme of my life.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Just keep going, keep going.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Divorce energizer running.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: You're not doing it wrong, Right, We're all because we do that comparing thing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And then we're like, oh crap, am I doing it wrong?
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Like no, we just keep going and enjoy the part about the learning and the little creative bugs that we get and the little you know, like happy accidents that happen, and you just keep going.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It's very hard sometimes to be patient for me.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: So I am a big Gary Vaynerchuk fan.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can believe me, love him.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: He's all about sharing the journey and that always resonated with me, because some people will say, wait until you have this, wait until you have that, and for me, gary Vee had was very much just share and create, and I got to be on his tee with Gary Vee right during the very beginning of the pandemic.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: To me was a sign, was a good omen.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Headed in the right direction, yeah, Right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Like you know, i read the Alchemist.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Do you ever read the Alchemist?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Paul Cuell Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: So the good omen stuff.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: When that happened, i said okay, god's looking out for me.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You know not to be in spiritual life.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: My dad's looking out for me.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I just left my teaching job to go back to performing full time and I was scared And so that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: But the thing, irony of the pandemic shifting divorce stares.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I made a pilot that came out of the pandemic.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I did all this wonderful things.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It didn't work.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: So if you really try to find the small wins within that process and the journey right, even if you're going through the divorce and like you're not oh my, i had to do a short seal.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I thought I was going to file bankruptcy.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: These big dark clouds are coming around you, but what it forced me to do is find these beauty little moments, even if it's watching a reality show, something.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Get you up and out you know, yes, yes, can't stay focused on the dark clouds.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's tempting, it's tempting, yeah.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm a big act now to kind of get out Act now You and I are very similar that way, very similar that You know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when we first connected And I DM'd you and I said I'm going to be in New York this week because all of a sudden one day I was like, oh, we're going to New York for spring break.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: We should get a time square billboard.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: So then we did that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: My team froze and they were like shit, she's serious, oh that would be amazing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, act now.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we did that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Well, we're there in April.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Act now.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Right, just do the thing, just do the thing and keep going.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i think that, if you know, obviously always do consider other things if you really need to, but I feel like waiting And if you feel like you have something to just share it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: We're in a time space where everything is at our finger tick, virtually, so sharing your story, even if it's on a smaller platform or a big about whatever, share your journey, it might help somebody 100%.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: What would you want us to look at first?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: If we're going to come check out, michelle, like, what is the thing you want us to watch first?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, i mean, I would say, watch the Amazon Prime Special.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I think that that's, that's my live show.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: But now, if you come to the live show, it is a little different because I'm reshaping the material since it's already out in a special now.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So then I see exactly that, personally, i think, to get a good idea of who I am, my Instagram and TikTok those have.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: You know, if you, if you can't sit in front of the TV for an hour and you have to break up my special, then go to my Instagram, go to my TikTok.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: You can see short clips of what I've been doing creating, and of what the diary actually is, Michelle Trina.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: But I would definitely just check out the special first and then you do a lot of little bits on dating because I'm you know it's where you are right And I think that our listeners will really enjoy that piece, because what a frustrating process And yeah, it's I talk about, so that my podcast, the divorce series podcast, is basically an audio version of my diary and I put it on YouTube but I just spilled I literally spilled the beans on the guys that I talked to her date.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: They don't really like it, yeah, but you know what?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Screw them.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding for any of those entertainment lawyers that are listening.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I had a guy that I was talking to this year that that, religiously, was listening to it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And I stopped listening to it because he felt like I, he's like you're reading our text messages.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I can't handle this.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I said I am reading it because this is why you're making me feel like cause.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: he didn't want to.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: he's Jewish, i'm Catholic.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: He couldn't get past the religion thing And he was very religious.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I don't actually even know now.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: He said he was, but like to a level of like you're religious but you don't go to temple every week, you only eat kosher.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: but you can't make a pass for me, like can't you be with me, at least I'll eat kosher.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I don't really care.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: There must be something about reading the text messages on the podcast.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a truth filter thingy, right, like.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: If this is how you're selling yourself in the DMs, then it better be legit, cause I'm telling the whole planet.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Well, i think he definitely stopped at some point, cause there was a whole issue that I found out on Facebook.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I saw him with two women.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: It bothered me.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It's a whole big episode on it And I brought in my divorce rabbi friend who I think he's I think he gets a little jealous of, or maybe not, i don't know, but it was a whole thing.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: So I, if you, there's a lot of stuff you can listen to.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of content, but the Amazon Prime special is the thing that we're pushing, because me, including my producer because the show is already on Amazon Prime and we're trying to raise funds to film episodes for season one of the scripted version, which is so funny And you guys, it's like it's the office.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: it's literally the office meets American mom on inphetamines.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a mockumentary meets curb your enthusiasm kind of like a curb style, but it's just.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: It follows me around with the camera trying to do all these things And it feels nuts, but it's great Same time.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I love your energy.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I love your dedication and your persistence.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I love how you make us laugh.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I love that our shows have practically the same name.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: You love it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Your lawyers like not helpful.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: No, i love this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: This was like my ideal kind of like connection with someone, like cause you're gonna find, like you're gonna have that happen.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: And I mean, like I said, when I met that guy and that girl came to the show, I felt so hurt because if you liked the name and you wanted to do something similar and you saw my show, you could have just reached out to me and said, hey, I'm doing this, wanna be a part of it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Then I would be like all for it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It felt dirty and grimy what they did And it hurt because I really liked the guy too.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Well, we're all hugs over here.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Can't wait for us to do more things in the future.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I just know that we, like, gave birth to a cool thing today, and thank you for coming on, for making us laugh, and I look forward to having you back.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: All right, loves, until next week.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Peace, love.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Would you do me a favor?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: You know, when you're shopping for that sweater on Amazon and you really think it looks cute but is it a good idea?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and you go and check the reviews to help you make your choice And they're like oh my goodness, i'm so glad I read those reviews.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: That was so helpful.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Would you review and rate this pod?
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It would be so helpful to other listeners who are trying to decide is this the place where they wanna commit their time?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And it would be so helpful to me knowing what works, what doesn't work, what you love, and it would be so helpful to other people just even finding us.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So if you could rate and review, i would be so grateful And you would be doing so many people a huge favor.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I love you so much.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Peace.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Dear Divorce Diary is a podcast by My Coach, dawn.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You can find more at MyCoachDawncom.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.