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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 6) (5/31/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get back
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  to the testimony given by the securities captain to the
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  OIG investigators. Question, and do you remember so you recall
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  specifically talking with them? Do you? And this is I
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  want to know aside from what they should have known,
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  specific conversations with redacted. Answer. I can't remember about redacted.
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  I believe it's internal. I came into the lieutenant's office
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  and we spoke about it, so as a collective, the
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  lieutenants were made aware. I can't say I remember that
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  I would come into the lieutenants and we would talk
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  about Epstein. So again, between the guidance that was put
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  out through emails and the conversations that I would have
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  had just encountering lieutenants. Yeah, but however, I can tell
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  you for sure I had a conversation with redacted. Question
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  and would have redacted made sure that those people working
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  in the shoe knew this information? Answer? He would have
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  as lieutenant in charge, Yes, question should have he made
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  sure somebody likes somebody that's not in there. Although tovin O, well,
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  I think that was her quarterly post or at least
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  she was in there a lot of times leading up
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  to it, so should have he made sure that she
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  he gets cut off by the guard Yeah, because he
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  worked evening watch Michael Thomas. Probably not, but by him
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  working in the unit, he would know. I mean, you
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  would say, okay, if he's working on evening watch or
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  morning watch. There was no need to move inmates. There
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  were no showers that were taking place, There were no hearings,
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  no medical nothing that we had to open up a
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  cell door for those inmates. Question okay answer, So most
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  of those inmates was done on day watch. There was
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  no reason for them to move these guys. Question okay, answer,
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  you understand what I'm saying. Question sure. And then as
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  far as the conversations with redacted, answer was one of
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  the lieutenants. As far as again speaking to as lieutenants
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  as a forum, you know, hey, got to make sure
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  that you guys are doing it, you know like that.
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  But I know for a fact, the only person that
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  I spoke to that I pulled in my office was
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  Shoe OIC was the Shoe lieutenant. Because they're in charge
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  of the unit. So I disseminate the information and the
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  guidance out to him, and he's supposed to take that
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  guidance and push it forward. Question for the unit. So
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  he's in charge of the unit. You went to the
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  guy in charge of the unit and said, hey, you're
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  in charge of the unit. Make sure he's got to
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  sell mate at all times. Answer yes, question and he
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  then is supposed to take that and anybody that works
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  within his unit should know answered yeah. Question okay. What
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  about these lieutenants though, especially the ones that are acting
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  as like ops lieutenants and activities lieutenants, people like redacted durant.
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  I think redacted redacted should have they known during these ships,
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  specifically on the ninth and tenth should have they known
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  that epstein was required? I have a cellmate answer, I
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  believe so. Question okay, But like again, I would have
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  to go back through my emails, you know, because a
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  lot of the communication that me and the lieutenants had
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  were through email, because you can't catch them all in
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  one shift, you know, catch them passing and coming. So
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  I would put out guidance that way. Question. But as
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  far as you said that everyone knew he had an
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  orange card, that he had high visibility inmate and therefore
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  he was required to have a cell mate, So should
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  have they had known through that? Answer? Yeah? Question, and
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  is there any excuse for any of them to say
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  I didn't know? Answer? I'm not going to put that
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  on the lieutenant. You know, I'm not going to do that.
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  I'm not going to be the guy to say whatever, whatever,
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  because I'm going to tell you what, sir, To be
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  real with you, it was so much going on through
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  that timeframe that I don't want to put my statement
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  to something like that that could detrimentally harm one of
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  these lieutenants. I'm not going to say that I talked
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  to redacted on this day. I'm just not going to
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  do that question. I'm not saying about speaking. I'm saying
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  just the fact that there was en And again you're
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  saying that you don't recall specific conversations about the cellmate
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  requirements aside from redacted. But the fact that if there
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  was an Orange card, is that something that just is
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  common knowledge? If someone has an Orange card, a lieutenant
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  should know that he's got an Orange card, he needs
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  a cellmate? Answer? Right? But again, also it was high
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  visibility guys, what do you call that? Ten South? The
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  one inmate answer? That one occupancy. So with the guidance
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  I had put out, I got to give you that email.
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  Question okay. Answer that email was saying that, hey, these
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  guys with the Orange cards, you need to ensure high
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  visibility vigilance. Question. So all right, so he gets cut
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  off by the guard. Ensure that these guys you know,
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  are alive and all of this, you know, report any
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  you know, I went into detail with all of that question. Okay,
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  so maybe not if it's an Orange card. It doesn't
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  necessarily mean then that they require a cell mate. They
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  just require answer hire or hire a supervision question okay,
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  So you just need to know what they're doing at
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  all times and make sure that they're okay, answer yeah,
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  question all right, So in this instance it wouldn't be
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  necessarily cell mate. It would be everybody knows to keep
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  an eye on Epstein, make sure that he's all right.
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  So is the only one that you can specifically recall?
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  And again what you said question, yeah, And then again
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  when I went on evening shift morning watch those shifts
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  when I had those teams together, Yeah, I would talk
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  about vigilance after doing thirty minute rounds, make sure this
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  is done, making sure that is done making sure this guy.
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  You know, that's what I did, because that's what mister
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  redacted wanted, So I did it. Question all right? And
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  then again just to make sure that I'm not misunderstanding you.
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  You said you talked to or redacted specifically about it,
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  But when you did visit the Shoe, not only were
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  you telling them to keep high visibility on Epstein, were
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  you also telling them the people that you did interact with,
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  that he needed to have a cell mate. Answer? Yes,
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  question okay, on Friday August ninth or sorry, when's the
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  last time you can recall that you had a conversation
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  with Shoe staff? Answer? I can't remember, sir, I don't remember, because,
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  like I said, that guidance came out between the time
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  of him being upon his release from Suicide Watch from
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  the last time, so that time during the time that
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  we was doing the vetting for the cell mate. So
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  was you know, it was a short period of time
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  that this guidance and these conversations took place. And then
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  the reinforcement was when we would walk through the unit
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  and just do rounds and then I'm like, hey, this
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  is high visibility guy. Why is this guy got trays
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  in his cell, extra trays in his cell. Why is
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  this guy got this? So then, of course, you know
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  a lot of people at MCC they didn't like me
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  because I was trying to hold people accountable. But I
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  didn't always write people up. That's how I did. I
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  came up like that, I'm trying to help you. People
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  thought me trying to just talk to them about correctional
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  service or trying giving them little you know, helping them out,
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  talking to them. You know that I was trying to
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  be the know all, be all, be that guy. You know,
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  you know you're not sociable, but now you're down here
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  telling us what to do. You're not one of those.
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  That's the way it felt like. So like again, I
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  can give you the playbook to success, but if you
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  don't read it, it's just words. It's just words. And
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  then I had a lot of issues with the lieutenants.
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  You know, lieutenants you know, were self serving. Even though
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  in my previous statement I would never say anything statements
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  to hurt them, I'm not doing that. But what I
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  will tell you was the relationship between me and the
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  lieutenant Corps was not good. So again, as we move
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  forward through today, you know, the statements that I make
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  is not to try to put blame or try to
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  hurt anybody. The only thing I'm doing is telling you
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  that when the war gave me direction, he said he
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  wanted X Y and Z and x y and Z.
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  Not only did I talk to staff, I also reinforced
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  it by putting out emails because I know I can't
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  catch everybody, and I know that staff is going to
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  blow you off. I mean, like, yeah, whatever, I'm glad
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  he's out the unit. Let's go ahead and go back
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  to whatever we was doing. It is what it is.
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  Question sure, and just so you know, just to give
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  you a little bit of peace of mind, we're asking
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  you the questions directly. You're not playing blame on anybody.
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  So if we ask you if they were responsible for
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  something that's not on you answer oh, okay, Well I
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  just wanted to because I didn't understand that question. Yeah, yeah,
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  answer because like I said, I'm not here. I mean,
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  he gets cut off by the investigator. I mean, we
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  might say who's responsible or did they drop the ball,
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  But that's just asking you a direct question, not you
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  coming to us saying it was this guy's fault. You know,
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  we're specifically asking you, so just you know. Answer, that's
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  what I didn't understand, and that's not what I mean.
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  I'm not here for that. I'm just here. He gets
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  cut off by the investigator. I mean, we do have
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  to figure out who did drop the ball here? Answer yeah, question,
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  but that's not You're not coming to us, We're coming
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  to you. Answer right, I understand. Question. So on Friday,
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen, Lieutenant redacted was on leave, and
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  thus there was no dedicated lieutenant assigned to the shoe.
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  Answer that is correct. Question. In this event, the operations Lieutenant,
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  Lieutenant redacted had oversight that day and took over the
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  responsibilities of the shoe lieutenant. So what time did you
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  can you look at that on August ninth? What time
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  that he worked on? Answer the periods that this is Friday? Right?
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  Question correct August ninth answer I got. So basically, I
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  have Redacted was not there. He was error on that Saturday,
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  which was evening. Watch on that Saturday. Question, but he
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  did not work four pm to midnight. Answer? He worked
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  four pm to midnight on that Saturday. The August tenth question, Okay,
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  so you can speak, do you know something different answer. No, No,
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  I was just clarifying question. Oop. Sorry, can I see
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  the August ninth answer? So who was working on August ninth? Well,
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  it appears I think you got redacted question all right?
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  So redacted would have been the ops lieutenant answer right question, well, redacted,
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  and then underneath them, the Activities lieutenant would have been
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  durant and then redacted answer right question correct? All right?
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  All right, So they must have got this wrong somehow,
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  so it said, so this is not accurate when it
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  says that in this report, in this event, the operations
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  lieutenant Lieutenant redacted had oversight that day and took responsibility
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  for the shoe who actually had oversight? Redacted? Was out? Answer?
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  That would have been the day watch operations lieutenant question?
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  And who was that answer? The day Watch operations lieutenant
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  for August ninth would have been, and it appears it
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  was redacted questions, so redacted would have been responsible answer
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  right question? And is it your understanding that redacted knew
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  that he needed to sellmate answer? I believe. So. All right, folks,
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  we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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  episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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