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- 0:02Wall Street banks are still sabotaging Donald Trump's plan
- 0:06to roll out the Clarity Act. They have once again refused to
- 0:10negotiate with the quote crypto industry.
- 0:14But Scott Besson fired back with a Wall Street Journal opinion
- 0:19piece making a pretty strong claim, guys.
- 0:21So let's just dive straight into it.
- 0:24Let's start breaking this down. I will start with, I think my
- 0:28newest favorite Twitter account, Eleanor Teret, at least in
- 0:31regards to what's going on in Capitol Hill.
- 0:35As I've told you guys, I think I'm a little burnt out with the
- 0:38Clarity Act story. It seems to be, it seems to be
- 0:41as delayed as all of the negotiations we are seeing from
- 0:44Trump in the Middle East. And it seems like we hit a new
- 0:48stumbling block, guys. So this is the current state of
- 0:51the Clarity Act, at least being reported by Eleanor Teret with
- 0:55Crypto America. She goes update.
- 0:58Actually some context here. Remember we covered, I believe
- 1:03it was either the beginning of the week or probably the end of
- 1:07last week. We got a report from the Council
- 1:13of Economic Advisers coming out of the, of the White House and
- 1:16they basically said that the bank's fears over stable coin
- 1:22rewards or yields has was overstated, that it's really not
- 1:26going to affect the banks at all.
- 1:29And the Banking Committee, you know, banking GOP, the banking
- 1:35industry, Wall Street banks, however you want to frame them,
- 1:39have finally responded. So this is the current update
- 1:43and it goes update. Early reactions in banking
- 1:45circles suggest the White House report missed the mark,
- 1:48according to a banking source. I spoke with the infamous
- 1:52anonymous banking sources. So we don't know who that is,
- 1:55but for the context of this, we are going to assume that is
- 1:59actually someone that is a part of the banking Senate, GOP or
- 2:04Banking Committee, or maybe just banks in general.
- 2:08And this is what the insiders are telling us.
- 2:11So the CEA or the Council of Economic Advisers of the White
- 2:16House analysis finds prohibiting stablecoin yield would do little
- 2:20to prevent deposit flight and only marginally increase
- 2:23lending. But bankers say this has never
- 2:26been about simply needing more deposits to lend.
- 2:30Sounds like CAP to be honest. But anyways, it's about
- 2:33outflows, particularly from smaller institutions.
- 2:36The issue is more about how shifts and deposits shape how
- 2:39lending is funded priced and how stable it is over time.
- 2:43Community banks rely more heavily on stable retail
- 2:45deposits and have fewer funding alternatives.
- 2:48If funds migrate into stable coins or larger institutions,
- 2:51they could feel the impact first, even if aggregate lending
- 2:54appears largely unchanged. Additionally, the source noted
- 2:58that deposits don't move one to one, while the report finds most
- 3:01stable coin reserves recirculate into the banking system.
- 3:05Bankers are arguing, excuse me, that they don't always come back
- 3:09in the same form. Losing a stable retail funding
- 3:13will change how credit is funded and deployed, even if that shift
- 3:17doesn't immediately show up in aggregate lending data.
- 3:20Of course, more to come on that front.
- 3:22Meanwhile, Coinbase's Cpl., or chief policy officer is doubling
- 3:26down, telling Eleanor that the report is a net positive for
- 3:30banks. Quote.
- 3:31The facts matter and it's good to see the Council of Economic
- 3:34Advisers confirm that stable coins aren't a threat to
- 3:36community banks. Stable coins are a big win for
- 3:39consumers and a big opportunity for banks.
- 3:42Rewards are critical to preserving those benefits.
- 3:46I might have a a slightly different take here.
- 3:49As you know, I'm a bitcoiner. I want to see people use
- 3:53Bitcoin. But the last year or so, maybe
- 3:57the last couple of years, I think I've come to terms with
- 4:00the fact that people want to use stable coins.
- 4:03That's just the fact, guys. People want to use stable coins,
- 4:06though. In my mind, a stable coin is
- 4:08basically just a digital dollar. It's, it's just dollars
- 4:12basically. I mean, there's really no
- 4:13difference in my opinion. But what is interesting to me
- 4:18just on this current update of where the banks are standing on
- 4:21the Clarity Act again, we've been hearing for the last, I
- 4:25don't even know weeks at this point that the Clarity Act is
- 4:30about to pass. The last kind of, I don't know,
- 4:34self-imposed deadline was Easter Sunday.
- 4:37So four days ago we were supposedly going to get the
- 4:41market structure bill or the markup structure bill, basically
- 4:44where, you know, they, they propose what they want to do and
- 4:47then it's combined and then it will get voted on the Senate and
- 4:52then eventually it'll get passed or rather, sorry, signed by
- 4:56Trump. The interesting part to me about
- 5:00this though is that, and not to say that all banks are one
- 5:05monolithic entity, but it's it's almost safe to say that they
- 5:11kind of anyways, that is probably just a very rudimentary
- 5:15view of what's going on. But what is interesting again is
- 5:20remember the idea of too big to fail in 2008.
- 5:24So just keep that in mind. What this feels like to me is
- 5:29the too big to fail banks essentially using the smaller
- 5:34community banks, the smaller retail banks as the main excuse.
- 5:38It really does sound, at least to me, that this sounds like the
- 5:43big banks that Coinbase, Bryan Armstrong has been very vocal
- 5:46against saying, hey, look, this isn't gonna affect us, but this
- 5:50is gonna affect, affect the small banks here.
- 5:53And we're here to protect the little man.
- 5:54We're here to protect the consumer.
- 5:56We're here to to protect the smaller consumer banks.
- 5:59Yeah, we probably won't have an issue, in fact that probably
- 6:02most of the capital will come to us.
- 6:05But really we're trying to protect the little guy here and
- 6:08not just the little guy on Main Street, but the little guy in
- 6:10banking. So I mean, to me, it's like
- 6:15this, what are we doing here? That's like, what are we doing
- 6:19here? I thought we passed the Genius
- 6:20Act and that was literally about stablecoins.
- 6:23And now the Clarity Act that's supposed to be for other digital
- 6:26assets for the whole ecosystem is now being held up again
- 6:29because of the stablecoin issue. It it's like, I thought we got
- 6:33past this guys. And remember when this news,
- 6:37basically when the whole conversation about banks
- 6:41stalling the Clarity Act came out, the main kind of talking
- 6:47points that we were hearing was like, JP Morgan's going to lose
- 6:50trillions of dollars because too much capital is going to flow
- 6:54into stable coins that it might be, you know, hundreds of
- 6:57billions. But and now we're seeing the
- 7:00narrative shift a little bit. We're here to protect the
- 7:03smaller banks. It's not about the big banks.
- 7:06It's about the smaller banks. We got to make sure the little
- 7:08guy can still survive. So I mean, personally, this,
- 7:13this feels like a whole lot of BS from my opinion.
- 7:17OK, that's kind of that's kind of just my very knee jerk
- 7:22reaction to this is just like, OK, so we're starting to see the
- 7:25narrative shift. Now.
- 7:28The part from the Coinbase Cpl. again, I, I might have a
- 7:34different opinion. I am not that bullish on the
- 7:38idea that stablecoins are a big win for consumers.
- 7:41Yes, I understand they want to use them and they are using
- 7:45them, but is it really a big win?
- 7:51I don't know. I, I'm sure, I'm sure you guys
- 7:54in the chat are going to agree with me.
- 7:55I really don't think it's the biggest win that they're trying
- 7:58to make this out to be. OK, so that's just my take on
- 8:02what the current stall of the Clarity Act is and the reasons
- 8:08for it. Again, the banks are seemingly
- 8:11sabotaging the Clarity Act. So the deadline for the supposed
- 8:16timeline of the Clarity Act passing is the last two weeks of
- 8:21April. So a lot can change.
- 8:24I mean, being tentatively optimistic, a lot can change
- 8:28from here. You know what, another 10 days,
- 8:3312 days, something of that sort. Will it change?
- 8:38I don't really think so. I I mean look what we are
- 8:41getting close to the buzzer beater.
- 8:43We have seen the Clarity Act deadline, well more self-imposed
- 8:48deadline continue to shift, continue to get pushed back.
- 8:51And that might be the signal in and of itself.
- 8:56Again, we don't like to think of powers that be as monolithic
- 9:03entities. We've we've been shown time and
- 9:05time again that there there is no monolithic entity here.
- 9:09Yes, I agree. I think that, you know, politics
- 9:12is a uni party, but that's a totally other conversation.
- 9:15But what we do know is that essentially, and right now it's
- 9:19coming from the banks, but essentially the Democrats are
- 9:23pushing back a lot on the Clarity Act passing.
- 9:26They don't want this to pass. For most intents and purposes,
- 9:32they probably want this to fail. So the CBDC back door comes in,
- 9:35but I mean kind of mudding up the waters here, if you know
- 9:39what I mean. So we are seeing this stall now
- 9:43if it doesn't pass, or at the very least if we don't get the
- 9:46markup structure bill delivered within the next 10 days or
- 9:52something, I am like wholly convinced the Clarity Act is not
- 9:56even going to pass it. And that's not even talking
- 9:59about what my actual feelings are about what the Clarity Act
- 10:02is. You know me, I'm not the biggest
- 10:06Coinbase fan and it does hurt me a little bit to say that I agree
- 10:13with Brian Armstrong. But that quote, he said, I think
- 10:18it's probably the best heuristic we have currently at the moment
- 10:22with all of the compromises that we're hearing is that probably
- 10:25no bill is better than a bad bill.
- 10:28And at the very least, the clarity that we wanted probably
- 10:35has already been released by the SEC and the CFTC that, you know,
- 10:39Bitcoin's a commodity and they're going to organize and
- 10:42make sure that what they implement is going to treat
- 10:45Bitcoin like a commodity. Yes, they added some shit coins,
- 10:48whatever, you know, I guess we got to take a little poison with
- 10:51our medicine here, but that's kind of my my general feeling
- 10:54here. So, but enough of how I feel
- 10:56enough of the current update. Let's catch up to what Scott
- 10:59Besson said. So this tweet came out yesterday
- 11:03around noon. You know, this is 225 S noonish
- 11:07Pacific Time around, you know, 2:30 Eastern Time.
- 11:11And then we got this tweet here. Oh, actually, this came out
- 11:16before. Wow.
- 11:16My timeline's messed up. OK, so I think what Eleanor
- 11:21Tarrett's reporting is what the backroom conversations are,
- 11:25because this came out before we got the breaking news.
- 11:28And here's Scott Bessett. He goes, Congress has spent the
- 11:31better part of all, right, I got it, The better part of half a
- 11:35decade trying to pass a framework to onshore the future
- 11:38of finance. It is time for the banking GOP
- 11:41to hold a markup and send the Clarity Act to President Trump's
- 11:43desk. Senate time is precious, and now
- 11:46is the time to act. So it looks like the banking
- 11:52GOP, the Wall Street banks are wholly ignoring what the USI
- 11:58always forget this Secretary of the Treasury is saying.
- 12:02And he dropped a Wall Street Journal article called Digital
- 12:05Asset Rules Need Clarity. Now, I would read you portions
- 12:09of this, but I don't have a Wall Street Journal account.
- 12:13But you could see a little bit it goes Digital asset rules
- 12:15needs clarity. U.S. financial regulation sets
- 12:18the standard for the world. Congress needs to act to keep it
- 12:21that way. But I do have a couple of
- 12:24updates from people with tweets and I, I tried to, you know, I,
- 12:30I, I tried to, I don't even know if I can say I, I tried to read
- 12:35the article. Maybe I need to just give Wall
- 12:38Street Journal my money, apparently.
- 12:40But here is kind of the breakdown of what I saw a lot of
- 12:46people talking was actually in this article.
- 12:50And it is, I better have liked it.
- 12:53Here we go. OK, 100% with Senate Secretary
- 12:58Scott Besson passed the Clarity Act protect consumers, ensure
- 13:01the US dominates, dominates in digital assets.
- 13:06So that's basically the take away, right?
- 13:09Pretty much the whole take away of what the article is.
- 13:11Do we really need to read a Wall Street Journal opinion piece by
- 13:13the Treasury Secretary, white secretary of Treasury?
- 13:17I always forget, but we'll read. I, I got a little bit.
- 13:20OK, we got like the first paragraph.
- 13:22So here is the framing. the US has long shaped financial
- 13:25markets, clear rules, credible enforcement and a willingness to
- 13:28adapt to innovation and made the American approach to market
- 13:31regulation the world standard. But maintenance of this
- 13:34leadership is far from guaranteed.
- 13:35To preserve it and rise to the challenge before U.S., Congress
- 13:39must pass the Clarity Act Senate floor time is scarce and now is
- 13:43the time to act. The one thing I do fully agree
- 13:49with and I think this is not so much a opinion.
- 13:55Bitcoin is the shit coin lol. What is not an opinion here is
- 14:02that statement of what the US does sets the precedent for the
- 14:07rest of the world. Whether people love the US or
- 14:10hate us, whether there are enemies or there are frenemies,
- 14:14what we do does set the standard, which I think is the
- 14:18most important part in your mind to frame this conversation.
- 14:23Which is why I keep saying no bill might be better than a bad
- 14:26bill. Because if we get bad
- 14:28legislation, if this Clarity Act gets pushed through with all of
- 14:32these different compromises that we've heard from the banking
- 14:34GOP, which I believe you guys could Fact Check me in the chat,
- 14:39which I believe that Nancy Pelosi is the head of, this
- 14:43could do way more damage than be a positive for the industry.
- 14:47It, it could really set us back more though.
- 14:50The idea if you're more positive about the clarity Act passing is
- 14:54once it passes, a lot of capital is going to get released.
- 14:58A lot of people that are waiting on the sidelines that are may be
- 15:01unsure of this industry, of this ecosystem.
- 15:05Now they finally have clear rules of the road with quotes
- 15:09and they will finally feel comfortable to deploy capital.
- 15:12This is what every I think This is why the whole industry is
- 15:16even covering this new story is because it seems that's the
- 15:19thesis at the very least. And hey, we've been wrong a lot.
- 15:22There's been a lot of things that we've directionally been
- 15:25right, but sometimes in actuality, it happens a little
- 15:30different than than we think it's going to happen.
- 15:32But in thesis, in theory, once this passes, capital will be
- 15:38deployed into Bitcoin and potentially a lot of shit coins.
- 15:43So This is why I think everyone is on pins and needles waiting
- 15:46to see this happen. Further, this is one of the big
- 15:51pushes from the Trump administration.
- 15:52Again, they want to be the world crypto capital, Bitcoin capital
- 15:56of the world. And if we do get very favorable
- 16:00regulation here, capital will be attracted to the US and they can
- 16:05maintain the dominance that they've maintained.
- 16:07Again, capital flows to where it's treated the best.
- 16:10And before I hear you guys say like, oh, Opti and simply
- 16:14Bitcoin and the whole team and all Bitcoiners are cheering on
- 16:17the state, you guys are disgusting.
- 16:19This is where we are right now. We can acknowledge that this is
- 16:25happening and at the same time not necessarily be the biggest
- 16:30fans of this and push for the best regulation possible.
- 16:34I don't think that those two ideas are mutually exclusive.
- 16:37I I think you can realize that yes, I am a separate money from
- 16:43state person. I am a hardcore bitcoiner.
- 16:46But if they're going to pass laws, then we should probably
- 16:49have Bitcoiners there to make sure that it doesn't hurt us.
- 16:53It's really not that complicated in my mind.
- 16:55And I have a 42 IQ. OK, so going further, most bills
- 17:01are bad. So yeah, 100%.
- 17:04So going a little further, we have a David Sachs responding to
- 17:08this. Of course, the ex Cryptozar, his
- 17:11time is up in Washington as the quote Cryptozar.
- 17:15Now he's on the, I forget what it's called, like the
- 17:18Developmental Science Board or some other made-up, you know,
- 17:23new council. But this is David Sacks and he
- 17:26goes. The Genius Act signed by
- 17:28President Trump last year established US leadership on
- 17:30stablecoins, which is why I'm so confused that the Clarity Act is
- 17:34being held up because of stablecoins.
- 17:36But I've already flushed that out going on.
- 17:39The Clarity Act, also known as the market structure
- 17:41legislation, would do the same for all other digital assets by
- 17:44providing clear rules of the road.
- 17:47Secretary Besson is right. The time to act is now.
- 17:50Senate Banking and then the full Senate should pass market
- 17:52structure. I'm confident that they will.
- 17:55And then President Trump will sign this landmark bill into
- 17:58law. Now, I might not be as confident
- 18:00as David Sachs is, but again, I'm not.
- 18:03I wasn't in those rooms. I don't know what's going on
- 18:06behind the scenes. So it's the only reason why I'm
- 18:09bringing up David Sachs here is because he was the OR he is the
- 18:13ex crypto czar. I'm guessing maybe he knows a
- 18:19little more than we do. So, you know, we're, we're just
- 18:21going to get his take here. And here we have Senator Cynthia
- 18:25Lummis, the Bitcoin senator and she goes again, interesting
- 18:30framing here. Secretary Scott Besson says it
- 18:34best. Now is the time to act.
- 18:36We have the administration, the momentum and we've made
- 18:38bipartisan progress. Congress must pass the Clarity
- 18:41Act now. So that is the current update.
- 18:47That's where we currently are with the Clarity Act.
- 18:51If I wasn't doing this show alone, I would do a poll of
- 18:53like, do we think this is going to pass?
- 18:55So I'm going to do the one if you think it will pass by end of
- 19:00April 2, if you think it's DOA, and then I'm going to keep
- 19:04going. And you and you guys tell me in
- 19:06the chat, they did 18 months of research.
- 19:09It has to be true. Oh, you're talking about.
- 19:11Yeah, Adam back apparently is Satoshi, according to was it the
- 19:14Wall Street Journal, Bbci forget Bloomberg, forget which one it
- 19:20was. So that's that's on that's in
- 19:22the cultural side. I I don't think I'm going to
- 19:24cover that. I we don't need to know who
- 19:28Satoshi is. That's the whole point anyways,
- 19:30too, Doctor Daniel. Yeah, DOAI agree.
- 19:34So I know that the politicians, the senators, even some
- 19:42Bitcoiners are very bullish on the Clarity Act actually
- 19:45passing. Maybe it's just my knee jerk
- 19:50reaction. Maybe it's just my heuristic, my
- 19:53kind of first premise of I don't really trust politicians that
- 19:56much. I don't really trust Wall Street
- 19:59that much. You know, I trust him as far as
- 20:01I can throw them type mentality if that's the expression.
- 20:07So I'm not as bullish that this is going to pass again, if I,
- 20:12and I'm not the biggest politics guy.
- 20:13I'm, I'm just now trying to really sharpen my teeth on how
- 20:18politics works. Again.
- 20:19I came into Bitcoin apolitical. That's what I loved about
- 20:23Bitcoin the most is that I didn't have to care about
- 20:27politics. But now politics is on our
- 20:29doorstep, and therefore I think it's my duty to try to
- 20:33understand not only how the political machine works, but
- 20:37what the political machine thinks about Bitcoin.
- 20:39Because I want Bitcoiners. I want Bitcoiners in control.
- 20:44I want Bitcoiners to have the power.
- 20:46Maybe that's an extremist position amongst the cypherpunk
- 20:49libertarians, but I don't think the nation state's going away
- 20:52anytime soon, guys. I would much rather have our
- 20:57people in those positions, maybe not outwardly necessarily vocal
- 21:03about them being Bitcoiners, but privately being Bitcoiners,
- 21:08shaping the law, shaping the rules that we all have to deal
- 21:11with. How is that not a win?
- 21:14Guys like that is a huge win here.
- 21:17I believe Bitcoiners are going to take power.
- 21:19I believe Bitcoiners are going to be in control.
- 21:21I believe everyone that wants to be in control will have to at
- 21:25the very least appease Bitcoiners.
- 21:27Now we did move that Overton window when Trump was elected,
- 21:33but I also the same time have have the feeling that that might
- 21:38have just been a rug pool in and of itself.
- 21:41But the precedent, the Overton window has shifted where you
- 21:45can't ignore us anymore. I think that's probably one of
- 21:48the biggest signals of all of this stuff.
- 21:54As we've said before, we are in the room now.
- 21:56Well, some of us, and not necessarily the hardcore
- 21:59Bitcoiners, but they are trying to get our favorite here.
- 22:02And I think if what we see coming up in the midterms is
- 22:07anywhere close to being the true state of events, I think the
- 22:14Republicans are going to need, and I emphasize need to go out
- 22:20there and do stuff for the Bitcoin voting cohort.
- 22:24A lot of us Bitcoiners aren't that happy with what's going on
- 22:27with the Trump administration. Yes, Ross Ulbricht was freed.
- 22:31Yes, we've got some, you know, I guess rhetorical executive
- 22:35orders, just to put it nicely. But we haven't really seen that
- 22:39much. If anything, it's a little too
- 22:42little too late, almost. It's been a year and a half and
- 22:45what have we seen? I don't know.
- 22:46Bitcoin dumped 50%. I thought, I thought a Bitcoin
- 22:50quote, Bitcoin president would pump our bag.
- 22:52That's the only reason. Look, if Bitcoiners are being
- 22:56honest with themselves and with you, the only reason we elected,
- 23:00quote a Bitcoin president, this was for him to pump our bags.
- 23:04And if we're bags aren't being pumped and we're not seeing
- 23:08favorable laws, like what are we doing here?
- 23:13So I don't think the Clarity Act is at look, I'm being cynical.
- 23:16Maybe I'm black pilled on the Clarity Act.
- 23:19I don't think it's going to happen again if this doesn't get
- 23:25pushed through by the end of April.
- 23:28Like the real, real deadline is somewhere in June because that's
- 23:32when, you know, all the senators in Congress take their vacation
- 23:36for a couple of months. And then by the time they come
- 23:38back, the midterms are in full force and they're not going to
- 23:43be doing anything that's going to ostracize Pete voters.
- 23:47So the the time like the clock is ticking here.
- 23:52They keep saying, you know, at first it was like end of March.
- 23:56Actually, at first it was like, this is going to happen January
- 23:58of 2026, and then it's like February, then it's March.
- 24:02And now we're waiting and they're saying April, end of
- 24:04April. And now we have even more
- 24:08obstacles and stumbling blocks. And the lobbying groups, the big
- 24:11banks, they're holding this whole thing up, even though I
- 24:16thought this was resolved with the Stablecoin Genius Act.
- 24:21So they're saying two weeks, guys.
- 24:25Well, yeah, we'll we'll say 2 weeks.
- 24:27They're saying, hey, the last two weeks of April, this is
- 24:31going to go through. They're very optimistic about
- 24:33it. And and of course, maybe they
- 24:35have to be, maybe it's their job to be that optimistic, but it's
- 24:39my job to just give you my opinion on where we currently
- 24:42are and what I see coming down the pipeline.
- 24:44And I just don't think it's going to happen and further from
- 24:48what I've seen of the clarity act at this point, I don't even
- 24:51think I want to see this pass. I think this is going to do more
- 24:54harm to us than good. Maybe potentially if it does
- 24:59pass, I guess non zero chance we do see some capital deployed
- 25:02into Bitcoin and like hoorah number goes up, bear markets
- 25:05over I'll eat some crow. It's fine.
- 25:08I'm, I'm, I'm happy to be wrong on this if it does attract
- 25:11capital, but maybe this is just my left side of the bell curve
- 25:17showing here. You know, my gut's telling me
- 25:21this is probably going to be a heaping pile of BS because of
- 25:29all the compromises that have been given to the banks, because
- 25:34we have to persuade the banks to make this happen.
- 25:37And what do the banks want to do?
- 25:39They want to protect their Moat. That's why I find it so
- 25:42interesting that the Eleanor Teret know or the update is, oh,
- 25:47hey, the big banks are actually saying or the banking GOP is
- 25:50actually saying, look, we're here to protect the little guys.
- 25:53The big guys are going to be good.
- 25:54But the little guys, they're the ones that we are worried about.
- 25:57And it's like, OK, literally what's the saying?
- 26:02What's the expression? The the scariest statement you
- 26:10can ever hear is I'm from the government and I'm here to help
- 26:13you. I think this is where we are,
- 26:17guys. I think this is where we are.
- 26:21Let's see. Let's see.
- 26:24All right. I got a couple ones in here,
- 26:28three if you don't care. Yeah, actually you guys are more
- 26:33bullish than me on the Clarity Act passing.
- 26:37You guys are way more bullish than me on the Clarity Act
- 26:39passing. But hey, you know, that's that's
- 26:42what makes Bitcoiners in whole a healthy community being nice is
- 26:49because we don't have to all disagree.
- 26:50We don't have to all agree. We can disagree as long as we
- 26:54all are working towards the betterment of Bitcoin, trying to
- 26:58see Bitcoin adopted, trying to see Bitcoin use.
- 27:01That's the most important part. So that's where we are, guys.
- 27:09It looks like the Wall Street banks are fighting the Trump
- 27:14administration and actually, you know, shuts up the dent down
- 27:17under Blues. He's been in the chat for weeks
- 27:19now saying that, hey, what Trump wants to do wants to do good,
- 27:25but he's getting a lot of pushback.
- 27:26And look, this, this story, this example was literally that.
- 27:31Now, obviously I think incentives guide everything.
- 27:35Incentives will override maybe political opinions.
- 27:39But where we currently are, I think the banks are more
- 27:41incentivized to kind of fight innovation and fight the new
- 27:46technology because their business models are built on the
- 27:49old stuff. And it's hard to teach new dogs,
- 27:53old dogs new tricks. They don't want to update their
- 27:56business. They don't want to lose their,
- 28:00you know, competitive advantage. They just want to keep doing
- 28:03what they want to do, keep doing same thing that they've always
- 28:07been doing. And now they are being forced to
- 28:12face the reality. Now the real question is will
- 28:15they win? Will they override the quote
- 28:17crypto community or crypto industry?
- 28:20Will our industry get dwarfed by the money, the lobbying, the
- 28:27power of the banking industry, the the corporations, you know,
- 28:32behind Wall Street that really don't want to change things,
- 28:35though we have heard from, you know, the SEC chair, Larry Fink,
- 28:40this whole idea of tokenize all the things and, you know, block
- 28:44chains, everything's going to be on the block chain.
- 28:46And it's like, Oh my goodness, what year are we in?
- 28:52And we back in 2017, guys? Has it literally been a decade
- 28:55and Wall Street hasn't learned a thing?
- 29:01Scott Besson does, in fact, own a lot of Big One Ultra drip your
- 29:08wallet pass with no compromises. I mean, dude, in a perfect
- 29:13world, that's what would happen. That's not where we are.
- 29:21It has been compromised. There has been lots of
- 29:24compromises and they might be more compromised from our end.
- 29:28So look, if you're waiting on the sideline to deploy your
- 29:33capital because you're waiting for the Clarity Act to, you
- 29:36know, buy into Bitcoin, that might be a bad move.
- 29:42I'm willing to be wrong. If we get an update here next
- 29:45week, I'm we'll probably get one at some point next next week and
- 29:50it is favorable. But again, why is the clarity
- 29:53act, which is supposedly going to be good for Bitcoin and the
- 29:56whole quote digital asset space being held up on stable coins
- 30:00when the genius act already went through?
- 30:04Like, what are we doing here at this point?
- 30:09The stablecoin rewards probably don't even don't don't even beat
- 30:13inflation. It's like, what what are we
- 30:16talking about here, guys? I don't know.
- 30:21I'm I'm kind of black pilled on Bitcoin and politicians and
- 30:24Bitcoin and Wall Street. I just want to see the capital
- 30:27flow in. I just want to see number go up.
- 30:30But hey, I can't you can't. What's the what's The Rolling
- 30:33Stones song? You can't always get what you
- 30:35want, but you get what you need. I don't even think we're going
- 30:38to get what we need here. But anyways, I digress.
- 30:40I digress. Anyways, O opti dude, I'm I'm
- 30:47guys, I'm trying, I'm doing my best.
- 30:50I'm trying to stay optimistic and hopeful about where we're
- 30:54going. I am, I mean, still optimistic.
- 30:59It's a way of life. That's how I'm wired.
- 31:00But man, I don't know guys, I don't know.
- 31:04Anyways, anyways, I, I'm digressing, I'm crashing out
- 31:08live on the show in the news. We do have an update on the
- 31:12tornado cash Roman storm case. Hopefully we can get a live
- 31:17update by the time we get to the news.
- 31:19We got, we got a, some, some tentatively hopeful news coming
- 31:26today. We, we, you know, we got, we got
- 31:28a, we got a big fight up ahead and it's happening as we speak.
- 31:33And then guys, I don't know if you guys saw, but there's this
- 31:35clip of, I forget the guy's name, but the diary of the CEO
- 31:39guy. He had some quote economist on.
- 31:43And guess what he's saying, guys, bitcoins going to zero.
- 31:49You just love to see it. You love to see it.
- 31:51And then in the, in the culture to wrap up the show.
- 31:54I, I will, I'm going to basically do what, what I did
- 31:56yesterday, but with the updated numbers and, and again everyone,
- 32:00sorry for what happened yesterday.
- 32:02We have no idea what happened. Our show just got flipped to
- 32:05private literally mid show. You guys all got kicked off.
- 32:09It came back public later. No, no problems.
- 32:13But we literally don't know what happened.
- 32:15It it's, we have some weird glitch that we're trying to
- 32:18figure out what the source of the issue is.
- 32:21Hopefully that doesn't happen today.
- 32:22Anyways, on that note, first commercial break, I'll be right
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- 34:39We're back. Wait, hold on.
- 34:43Am I? Am I glitching or are you
- 34:45trolling me? Mind of Elijah and Rumble Optico
- 34:48the entire show glitching out. Nico hits the wrong button.
- 34:52Am I glitching today or what's that are you talking about
- 34:54yesterday? Anyways, anyways, I think I'm
- 34:58coming in. I think I think I'm coming in
- 35:00good today. All right, current Bitcoin.
- 35:02Oh, dude, all right, whatever. The current Bitcoin price is
- 35:07$72,360.00 per Bitcoin. Hey guys, I'm not going to chart
- 35:13boy on you guys 'cause you guys troll me about chart boy in.
- 35:16But remember that trend line I've been talking about and it
- 35:19got destroyed a couple of like last week, couple days ago,
- 35:25dude, I, I got, I was too lazy to change it.
- 35:29My trend line's holding up perfectly right now.
- 35:32Boys, boys and girls, trend line reclaimed intact.
- 35:39I don't know what's going on guys, I don't know what's going
- 35:42on but the current discount from all time high is 42.7%.
- 35:46The market cap we have reclaimed $1.45 trillion market cap.
- 35:51The current block height is 944,366.
- 35:55Now you know me, I usually like to up upload these videos, but
- 36:00for some reason this isn't working on me.
- 36:03So I'm going to have to screen share it, make sure I I'm going
- 36:10to watch, tell me if it if it plays, if the audio plays, it
- 36:13should play. But we have, I guess Steve Keen.
- 36:17I don't I don't know who he is, but he was on the diary of Aceo,
- 36:20which if you don't know, is one of the biggest podcasts.
- 36:23I think it's the fastest growing podcast of 2025.
- 36:27I forget the guy's name, but the the host absolute animal killing
- 36:32it. One of the biggest podcasts
- 36:34ever. Well I wouldn't say ever of last
- 36:37year. It's one of the biggest podcasts
- 36:38currently and he goes on bitcoins going to 0.
- 36:42But guess what his reasoning is? It uses too much energy.
- 36:47Guys what year are we in bro? What absolute year are we in?
- 36:52Are we in 2026 or is this? Are we a decade back or is just
- 36:57everyone's understanding of Bitcoin literally a decade old?
- 37:02Like what? Dude, Eternal September is going
- 37:05to be the death of me. We're going to have to literally
- 37:09rehash all of the Bitcoin FUD. And at this point maybe I'm just
- 37:15old boomer now. I'm unk, I'm old and crusty.
- 37:20I'm just like dude, I, I don't have.
- 37:22I'm going to leave that to the youngins, the the zoomers out
- 37:25there to be in the trenches and battle all of this stupid.
- 37:31But I, I'm, I'm too old for this.
- 37:34Maybe it's because of my job, social media.
- 37:35Now I'm like, I ain't got the bandwidth to argue with people
- 37:38on Twitter. Kudos to anyone that can still
- 37:41argue with people on Twitter because I I can't do it.
- 37:44But anyway, anyways, let's let's watch this clip.
- 37:46Let me know if you hear it because for some reason, for
- 37:50some reason I'm having issues over here, so you should be able
- 37:52to hear it. Let's let's watch it.
- 37:54I wanted to come back to something you actually said
- 37:55earlier. You talked about Bitcoin
- 37:57briefly. I've heard you say that you
- 37:58think Bitcoin's going to 0. Yeah.
- 38:01OK, this is worrying. I think I have some Bitcoin.
- 38:04You're an economist. Yeah.
- 38:05You're saying that Bitcoin is going to 0.
- 38:07Why? Because ultimately because of
- 38:09its reliance upon energy. I mean, I'm, you know, UMX, UMX
- 38:13cars around Stacey Herbert. Have you met them at all?
- 38:15No, they were sort of the original proselytizers for good
- 38:18Bitcoin. And they're now living in, I
- 38:21think, El Salvador, which has adopted Bitcoin as a form of
- 38:25currency. When they told me about Bitcoin,
- 38:28I could have bought it for a pound of a Bitcoin, which would
- 38:30have been, I would have been bloody, would be wealthier than
- 38:32you if I'd done that. The reason I didn't was they
- 38:34explained that the way that the public Ledger has kept safe is
- 38:39that it takes too much energy to break it.
- 38:41So each transaction requires 10 minutes of computer processing
- 38:45time globally, by the looks of it, to actually create an extra
- 38:50Bitcoin. And that means it's too
- 38:52expensive for somebody to try to break the Ledger.
- 38:55That means it's got a huge requirement for energy use.
- 38:58And I believe, knowing what I know from climate scientists,
- 39:04that at some point we're going to realize we're using far too
- 39:06much energy on the planet. We've got to cut the energy
- 39:09consumption, and the two easiest things to cut out to reduce
- 39:12energy consumption are cryptocurrencies and
- 39:15international travel. Yo hey yo hey, let's trust the
- 39:23climate scientists. Bro.
- 39:25I thought ESG was dead. Hold on, I I want to find that
- 39:29chart where there is I'm I'm searching on Twitter.
- 39:36There is no rich nation that uses less energy.
- 39:41You guys know the chart I'm talking about.
- 39:43Let me see if I can Let me see how good this Twitter search is.
- 39:49I forget what the I forget what what it's called.
- 39:57Damn, it's not working. Twitter search is not working.
- 40:01You're you're going to have to you're going to have to take my
- 40:03word for this. There's this chart and it shows
- 40:08that the more energy, wait, sorry, the more energy that is
- 40:12used, the richer the nation, the richer your country.
- 40:17There is no prosperous country in the world that doesn't use a
- 40:22lot of energy. I am like almost astonished that
- 40:26we. Now are at the point where
- 40:29people are taken seriously that come out here and and literally
- 40:36seriously without a smile and a smirk on their face claim that
- 40:41like trust the climate scientists, experts and they
- 40:46tell me Bitcoin uses too much energy and guess what we have to
- 40:49do in the future. We have to use less energy.
- 40:53I thought that whole ESG narrative was cooked.
- 40:56Remember the what, a year or two ago?
- 40:58It was like, guys, we are on the path of using way too much
- 41:02energy and then AI bubble or hype cycle or maybe the
- 41:07realization that AI is going to fundamentally change the world.
- 41:10It was like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
- 41:13We never said that we need to use less energy.
- 41:17We said we need to use more energy because AI data centers
- 41:21need more energy. So now the ESG narrative is out
- 41:24the window and we can use as much energy as possible.
- 41:28Further, the big boss, Larry Fink said ESG is dead.
- 41:33I don't think, I don't think he got the message.
- 41:35I don't think he got the memo. It's OK for us to use energy now
- 41:42being a less a little less sarcastic about it.
- 41:48And you know, you can believe what you want whatever side of
- 41:52the aisle you want to be on. But I think he exposed himself
- 41:56if anyone wants to control your energy.
- 42:01Sounds like a collectivist to me.
- 42:04But what do I know? Maybe, maybe this hat is lined
- 42:07with tinfoil and you just don't know.
- 42:11OK, OK, I'm trolling. I'm trolling.
- 42:12You know what? Actually, I'm going to troll
- 42:14harder. I don't, I don't even care.
- 42:15Like I I'm not going to take what he's saying seriously
- 42:19because it's ridiculous. OK, sorry.
- 42:22That's just how I view things. You know what I heard when he
- 42:25said this besides just a ridiculous climate scientist
- 42:28stuff. And, and I think the only reason
- 42:30we're talking about this, and I want to talk about this is this
- 42:33all this is on the diary of Aceo YouTube, which is one of the
- 42:39biggest YouTube current Bitcoin podcast.
- 42:42Let me see if I can find how many people watch this hot
- 42:46garbage. 3.3 million people yo. 3.3 million people saw this and
- 42:59three months will enter. Dude.
- 43:01See being a doomer. Being a doomer apparently pays
- 43:063.30. I didn't show you verify. 3.3
- 43:10million views guys, people thinking Bitcoin is going to 0
- 43:20because of M energy, because of M climate science experts, we
- 43:27got a we got a long hill to go. But again, you know what I
- 43:30heard? You know what I heard?
- 43:34I heard some cost fallacy. I heard someone that didn't buy
- 43:37Bitcoin at $1.00 and now it's like I missed the boat.
- 43:41So what am I going to do? I'm going to name drop climate
- 43:47scientists and say, hey Bros, I wouldn't use that because hold
- 43:51on, checks notes. It uses too much energy.
- 43:57What man? Guys, guys, actually there was
- 44:04a, there was a good, there was a good set.
- 44:06Let me see if I can find this quote.
- 44:08Someone said something while I was watching this the clip it
- 44:12said thank you. Thank you Koi cowboy.
- 44:20I appreciate it. I'll I'll pull that one up here
- 44:23we go. This is the one.
- 44:24The real dandy goes on to explain how Bitcoin works and
- 44:29displays. He doesn't know what he's
- 44:30talking about. That's the best heuristic for
- 44:33any of this stuff. If you talk to people, they ask
- 44:37you, you know about Bitcoin or they try to tell you about
- 44:39Bitcoin. You just ask very simple
- 44:41questions and very quickly you come to the conclusion that they
- 44:46really don't understand what they're talking about.
- 44:52This guy missed the train. At a dollar say coins at 72 K,
- 44:59he could add a 72,000% gain if my math's right.
- 45:03Right? I'm pretty sure that's how that
- 45:04works. And now he just decides to go on
- 45:11and flood Bitcoin because it's going to use too much energy.
- 45:13Remember when they used to say that Bitcoin was going to boil
- 45:15all the oceans? Or that Bitcoin uses more energy
- 45:20than Denmark? Now we've gotten to the point
- 45:27where, hey, look, you know what, it's going to zero too much
- 45:32energy. We should just unplug Bitcoin
- 45:35because it's going to boil the oceans again.
- 45:39Actually, I thought it was already supposed to boil the
- 45:41oceans. I thought actually, remember
- 45:42that one research report, research paper that said that by
- 45:47I believe it was 2025, that was the date that by 2025, Bitcoin
- 45:53was going to use all of the world's energy.
- 45:56We'd have no more energy left. Yo, what are we What are we
- 46:01talking 7.2 mil percent? Damn.
- 46:05Yeah. OK, 72 X OK, sorry. 72 X is 7.2
- 46:12mil percent, Right. Good.
- 46:18Yeah, this is a good comment. Yeah, let's let's just ignore
- 46:21the fact that the banks are using more energy than Bitcoin.
- 46:27But hey, they're fine, you know? Would it be a better idea?
- 46:33Yeah. Real donde.
- 46:36Oh, man, that's a good one. You know, it would be a even
- 46:39better idea than being afraid of Bitcoin using too much energy
- 46:42and that's why it's going to 0. What if we just unplug the
- 46:46banks? Has anyone ever thought about
- 46:48just unplugging the banks? I think our lives would be a lot
- 46:51better. Just unblunk unplug the usury
- 46:57based financial system. I think.
- 46:59I think we'd be living in utopia, but what do I know
- 47:05anyways anyways, these people are idiots.
- 47:07Opti thing it bored. Yeah, all right, all right, all
- 47:13right, all right, let's I'm I'm going to hit a transition.
- 47:16We're going to talk about the Roman storm tornado cash case.
- 47:20So we do have a recent update and I'm going to check right now
- 47:23during the ad break and see if I can get a breaking update for
- 47:25you guys. So that's where we're going.
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- 49:17OK, before we before we go on, I, I do have to clarify that I
- 49:21was right the first time. All right, shouts out the down
- 49:24of the Blues, $1.00 to $72,000 is 72,000% right?
- 49:31Is that how the mouth is? You guys can argue in the chat,
- 49:34but I'm I'm pretty sure I was right the first time.
- 49:36OK, I was pretty sure I was right.
- 49:38OK, anyways, anyways, enough, enough of me doing the victory
- 49:42lap here that I can do some basic maths on a chart.
- 49:45Here is an important thing that is currently happening as we
- 49:49speak. OK, this is literally happening
- 49:51right now as we speak, so shouts out to the rage.
- 49:54You guys know I'm a huge fan of the Rage led by Lola Leets.
- 49:58Both of those accounts I think are accounts on Twitter that you
- 50:02should follow if privacy freedom coverage of what's coming out of
- 50:08Washington DC in terms of politics and legislation around
- 50:14Bitcoin and freedom tech. If that is something that you
- 50:18care about, I highly suggest you follow at the Rage Tech or
- 50:23what's their website, therage.co.
- 50:26You can subscribe to their newsletter.
- 50:27I they don't pay me. I just like their I just like
- 50:30what they're doing. OK, I have no connect.
- 50:32I've never met Lola Leaf. I have no connection to her.
- 50:35I just like what they're doing. This is, in my opinion, probably
- 50:38some of the best journalism, actual journalism in the Bitcoin
- 50:41space. It is a little more hardcore
- 50:44than you know, your average like coin desk journalism, but that's
- 50:47why I like them. So the rage tweeted this morning
- 50:52about the same time. Wait, is this the same time?
- 50:58Yeah, it is. OK, That's interesting.
- 51:01Literally the same exact time. Wait, hold on.
- 51:03Let me double check. Sorry, I'm fact checking.
- 51:07Yeah. How about that?
- 51:08All right, before I get into it, how about this?
- 51:10How about the dichotomy here? Treasury Secretary Scott Besson
- 51:14at eight O 3 this morning tweets the Clarity Act needs to pass.
- 51:19Then we got the rage at eight O 3 this morning tweeting this
- 51:23today. The future of free software will
- 51:25be decided at 10 AM Thurgood Marshall Courthouse, A judge at
- 51:3010 AM Thurgood Marshall Courthouse, a judge will decide
- 51:33whether Roman Storm's conviction will stand.
- 51:35If so, quote, the government would criminalize the
- 51:37publication of decentralized software in violation of the 1st
- 51:40Amendment. You can read all about Storm
- 51:42Roman Storm's motion for Equatorial at the link below.
- 51:45Code of speech privacy is not a crime free Roman Storm we've
- 51:48covered for a long time on this show.
- 51:51When this story first came out, we were very vocal on the idea
- 51:56that yo, there is a precedent being happened or being set
- 52:00right now. There is a war on privacy
- 52:03currently and I I vividly remember seeing some people in
- 52:08the chat being like yo simply shit coin like why are we
- 52:11talking about an Ethereum privacy mixer?
- 52:14Like what are we doing here? And it was we were, we just had
- 52:18like a premonition that this was a precedent, this was a going to
- 52:24be a landmark case to further attack privacy on Bitcoin later
- 52:28on. And what did we find out?
- 52:31Couple months later, we saw the samurai wallet dev case and we
- 52:35all know what happens. They're literally in jail right
- 52:37now for at, you know, at least at least five years.
- 52:41Could be a little less depending on of course, you know, good
- 52:44behavior, etcetera. But they're in jail currently
- 52:47for five years. For creating privacy.
- 52:50Software so when this story came out we were very like I think
- 52:53ahead of the curve amongst most Bitcoin Maxis Bitcoin only were
- 52:57like yo this is not this is not a good thing and here we.
- 53:02Are he's trying to get. Acquitted and I do have some
- 53:05updates. We do have some updates.
- 53:07So Roman Storms hearing for acquittal is in progress.
- 53:10We will update you as soon as we can.
- 53:12That was at 10:20, the latest update that I just found.
- 53:16This was just dropped 7 minutes ago.
- 53:20We got updates. The judge has not made-up her
- 53:23mind. The court convened for over 3
- 53:26hours. But the judge ultimately did not
- 53:28come to a decision on whether Roman Storm should be acquitted,
- 53:31stating that she had not yet made-up her mind.
- 53:34Most importantly, the judge indicated early on that she was
- 53:38not convinced of the defense's First Amendment arguments.
- 53:41Big oof. The following discussion was
- 53:44based around the definition of an overt act as well as on the
- 53:48question of venue. Does using New York City based
- 53:52infrastructure hosting give SDNY jurisdiction over Storm's
- 53:56alleged criminal conduct if the hosting itself was not alleged
- 54:00to be a part of the crime? Do an action or failure to act
- 54:04constitute behavior in furtherance of a criminal
- 54:06conspiracy? Overall, Judge Folia Failure
- 54:10Folia Folia Judge Folia asked much detailed questions on both
- 54:16sides. Whether Storm's motion for
- 54:18acquittal will be granted remains to be unseen.
- 54:23So we are still waiting. No update yet.
- 54:27I mean, kind of a decent update. Maybe it's a good sign that it's
- 54:31getting pushed back, that she hasn't made-up her mind.
- 54:34At at least it's a good show in the sense that you know they
- 54:40didn't make up. Their mind and then.
- 54:43Make sure that the data the. Evidence fit what?
- 54:46They wanted the result to be, which seemed to have been how
- 54:50the initial court proceedings went.
- 54:54If you remember the coverage from the rage that we were, you
- 54:59know, showing you guys, that seemed to be the general idea
- 55:03that they had already made their mind.
- 55:05And they basically used the evidence, cherry picked the
- 55:08evidence to get the results they wanted, which was, of course, a
- 55:12guilty conviction. So maybe maybe after all of this
- 55:16time, after all of the defense work for Roman Storm is is
- 55:21showing that look, they basically just made the evidence
- 55:26fit to get the conclusion they wanted.
- 55:29So maybe this delay is a good thing.
- 55:32Hopefully if Roman Storm does get acquitted, that would be a
- 55:36very good precedent. Of course, again, for the
- 55:39Samurai Wallet dev, not to say that necessarily because if
- 55:43Roman Storm gets acquitted that we are going to see the Samurai
- 55:45Wallet guys get acquitted or you know, pardon or what have you,
- 55:52but we are starting to see that we are in the midst of the
- 55:55privacy wars. The reason?
- 55:58I brought up the idea of. Literally at the exact same time
- 56:04Scott Besson tweeted the rage tweeted about this, which is
- 56:08probably just a, you know, a little wink from the Matrix
- 56:10maybe, but you're starting to see.
- 56:13Something that we. Have been pretty vocal about and
- 56:17it's this idea that from the federal level from the Trump
- 56:20administration they do keep saying hey we want to be the
- 56:23Bitcoin capital of the world and yet at the same.
- 56:27Time What are we seeing the. DOJ and, you know, the Southern
- 56:33District of New York courts do. They're seemingly attacking.
- 56:37Privacy we've seen. A lot of concerning verbiage and
- 56:42even results, you know, decisions basically attacking
- 56:46privacy, which brings up a lot of the very real concerns of
- 56:51bitcoiners that. The powers that be.
- 56:56Wall Street, the, you know, the White House politicians, it does
- 57:02seem just. Based on some of these.
- 57:04Actions that they're trying to neuter Bitcoin that they don't
- 57:06want the more radical element of privacy of freedom of you know
- 57:10anti surveillance tech, which is one of the big big concerns here
- 57:16and we've been talking about this I think if you've been in
- 57:20Bitcoin for a long time you understand that Bitcoin can be a
- 57:23tool for freedom but if we're not careful and not only not.
- 57:30Careful but if. We comply a little too hard.
- 57:34It could be a, you know, gilded cage.
- 57:37It could be golden handcuffs and that war is happening.
- 57:41Right now as. We speak so I am very, very
- 57:46hopeful that Roman Storm does get acquitted.
- 57:48Now I do have one more tweet here from Lola Leets Which.
- 57:57We, we are. Yeah, I.
- 58:01Forgot I got to be serious. I got to be serious.
- 58:03Dude, don't make me laugh. We have already seen.
- 58:06Crypto wars. Happen.
- 58:09We are in the crypto wars. You know, at first it was over
- 58:12encryption, Now it's crypto wars over privacy, which is really
- 58:16just the long tail of the same fight.
- 58:18So hopefully we do get a positive.
- 58:22Result out of. This but here's check out this
- 58:26last. Lola leads tweet.
- 58:27This one's, this one's, it's almost, you can almost say it's
- 58:31a meme, Lola goes. The Southern District of New.
- 58:35York said yesterday it wants to continue prosecuting Roman Storm
- 58:39because it could prove that he built Tornado cash for money
- 58:41laundering. Does anyone remember how proving
- 58:44that went last time for the government?
- 58:46I'll tell you how proving that went last time for the
- 58:49government. The Southern District of New
- 58:51York goes. The defendant had specific
- 58:54intent to launder criminal proceeds.
- 58:56The court, OK, show us the evidence.
- 58:59There was no evidence or rather sorry, the evidence.
- 59:03Do you want to know how to stay anonymous on Ethereum and the
- 59:06jury is the girl like, wait, what are we talking about?
- 59:10Like what is this? And going a little further, what
- 59:14giving you a little more context.
- 59:18We also saw this from low elites.
- 59:24Is it this? Oh, here we go.
- 59:29This is the one. This is the one.
- 59:32Let me, let me backtrack. A little bit.
- 59:34So the Southern District of New York says Roman Storm had
- 59:37specific intent to launder money that the measures he implemented
- 59:40to stop criminal use, AKA the Chain Analysis Oracle, were
- 59:44quote, window dressing, and then alleges that he lied by telling
- 59:48users that the protocol was immutable.
- 59:50Because Roman Semenov wrote that quote, it is possible to stop it
- 59:54as long as the governance makes the right decision.
- 59:57Who is this governance, I ask you, and why is Tornado Cash
- 1:00:00still running? And what is the evidence for his
- 1:00:02alleged intent? So far, the only evidence for
- 1:00:05this at trial was a T-shirt with a washing machine on them.
- 1:00:09Now read the quote tweet she goes the US government.
- 1:00:14Says there is quote. No evidence that chain analysis
- 1:00:17sanctions Oracle is effective at stopping criminal use.
- 1:00:22Dude, we might. Have gotten.
- 1:00:24AW, out of all of this, we might get a couple WS.
- 1:00:28If Roman Storm is acquitted. So, reading here, in short, the
- 1:00:31defendant's reaction to criminal use of his company was window
- 1:00:33dressing at best and outright misdirection at worst.
- 1:00:35It was nothing like Cox's robust and 98% effective mechanism for
- 1:00:39dealing with known infringement. Indeed, there is no evidence
- 1:00:43that the limited screening mechanism the defendant put in
- 1:00:46place here was affected by all, and there's ample evidence that
- 1:00:50he both knew it would be ineffective when he implemented
- 1:00:52it, and knew it was in fact ineffective after he implemented
- 1:00:55it. Dude did the government?
- 1:00:57Did the US government? Just admit that.
- 1:00:59Chain analysis doesn't work but you.
- 1:01:03Know that. Infamous black box known as
- 1:01:06Chain Analysis might have just got absolutely naked off the top
- 1:01:09rope by the Southern District of New York.
- 1:01:13Dude, did the SDNYI. Wait, hold on, let me let me
- 1:01:20think about this. What, what legal obligations do
- 1:01:22I have? What, what can I get in trouble
- 1:01:25for saying this? I'll I'll say it broadly.
- 1:01:29Did we just get one of the more? Funniest.
- 1:01:36Admittance. From one of the.
- 1:01:38More funny sources saying that chain analysis doesn't actually
- 1:01:45work. Boys and girls.
- 1:01:49This might be AW the. Struggle is red guys.
- 1:01:53It truly. Is anyways if you don't know
- 1:01:56the. Context for years.
- 1:01:59There's been. A lot of.
- 1:02:02Speculation that chain analysis doesn't actually work, but the
- 1:02:07US government, the DOJ, etcetera, they continue to use
- 1:02:12it to arrest, quote, criminals in the space.
- 1:02:17They continue to use it to stop money laundering, etcetera, and
- 1:02:22we don't know what goes. On in chain.
- 1:02:24Analysis. I think if I remember correctly
- 1:02:26the numbers were something like I I'm.
- 1:02:31Someone fact checked me. But it was something like 60.
- 1:02:35Percent. Accuracy on this, or rather it
- 1:02:38was more like 60% unaccurate and 40% accurate.
- 1:02:43And now, and we use this in court cases as being like 99%
- 1:02:48dead on evidence that a crime was being committed.
- 1:02:55We might have just seen Southern District of New.
- 1:02:58York admit that chain analysis doesn't work.
- 1:03:02Brutal. Brutal L here actually.
- 1:03:05Brutal W So we'll see. Hold on.
- 1:03:08Let me let me fact, let me see. I'll I'll update.
- 1:03:12I'll update the rage real quick. Maybe maybe something came out.
- 1:03:17Nope, not yet. OK, no, no new news.
- 1:03:22Maybe I'll cover it tomorrow. If, if, if something comes out,
- 1:03:25I'll I'll make sure we're updated on it tomorrow.
- 1:03:27OK, guys, for the Friday show, we'll make sure I update you
- 1:03:30guys on that case since I'm emphasizing how important this
- 1:03:35is. On that note, I will update you
- 1:03:38guys on where we currently stand with the ETFs 'cause we did see
- 1:03:41a huge launch yesterday and then I don't know what happened to
- 1:03:45the show. Literally guys, you know
- 1:03:47someone's making fun of me. I think it was JJ, our reigning
- 1:03:50cash maxi on Rumble. JJ, he's like lol glitch.
- 1:03:57Why would we shut off our own stream?
- 1:03:59Dude, answer me that question we didn't do.
- 1:04:03This all right? It just did it by itself.
- 1:04:06Whatever, whatever, I'll be right back.
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- 1:05:42store. Yo man, what is it?
- 1:05:52Minimalize, man. That's all.
- 1:05:56That's a funny comment. All right.
- 1:06:00Sorry. Sorry, dude.
- 1:06:01Stop making me laugh, guys. I can't read the chat.
- 1:06:03I I forget. I got to be serious.
- 1:06:04Remember, I get yelled at for laughing.
- 1:06:08People don't like my laugh. They don't like they don't like
- 1:06:09me to have fun here. We can't have fun.
- 1:06:11Gosh, fun police everywhere. Anyways, I was I was covering
- 1:06:14this yesterday and then we kind of had to wrap up the show
- 1:06:17really quickly, but I have the updated numbers.
- 1:06:20The only reason I'm I'm starting here is because of this line.
- 1:06:25Top 1%. Of ETF launches, you know,
- 1:06:29estimated 30 million huge. Launch remember does the Morgan.
- 1:06:36Stanley Bitcoin Trust or Morgan Stanley's ETF, the first US bank
- 1:06:40to launch an ETF which just shows that there is
- 1:06:43institutional client interest into Bitcoin.
- 1:06:46Or put another way, it looks like Wall Street wants to get a
- 1:06:49little piece of the Bitcoin pie. You know they wouldn't be
- 1:06:51launching this Bitcoin ETF at the potential bottom of this
- 1:06:55bear market if they didn't think that the long term viability of
- 1:06:58Bitcoin going up they can profit off of.
- 1:07:01Remember, these institutions make money either way, whether
- 1:07:03Bitcoin is volatile or sorry, whether Bitcoin goes down or up,
- 1:07:08the volatility is where they make their money.
- 1:07:11They don't care. They rack up the fees anyways.
- 1:07:14So you could say that maybe that's the only incentive they
- 1:07:17have for this is like, hey, our clients are so stupid.
- 1:07:19They want this Bitcoin ETF. We will sell it to them, but
- 1:07:23we're going to undercut every other.
- 1:07:25ETF and have the lowest. Fees possible because hey, we
- 1:07:27want to make some money, but we we want to give we want to give
- 1:07:33our. Clients a good product.
- 1:07:35It's going to all be good. Wouldn't buy it, but you know.
- 1:07:41Wall Street fighting for for our money, I guess.
- 1:07:43Is it's a good thing? Anyways, here's the official
- 1:07:48ending day numbers. Morgan Stanley's Bitcoin ETF
- 1:07:53bought 444 Bitcoin on day one, $30.6 million in inflows on $34
- 1:08:02million volume. It's pretty big.
- 1:08:07Guys, that's. That's a pretty significant
- 1:08:12opening day from the first US Bank ETF.
- 1:08:17So just to put this in context. Here.
- 1:08:20I do have updates on all the ETFs 'cause there is some news
- 1:08:25in regards to what's happening in kind of the general ETF
- 1:08:29Bitcoin market, which is probably painting the picture of
- 1:08:32why everyone's wondering how come the price isn't going up.
- 1:08:36But let's just put that put that aside for one second.
- 1:08:40We have the new Morgan. Stanley Bitcoin.
- 1:08:43ETF launch buying 444 Bitcoin we have sailor.
- 1:08:49With stretch. Literally buying that much
- 1:08:51Bitcoin at like market open. Let me see if I can find that
- 1:08:56tweet from. What I saw yesterday.
- 1:09:02It looked as if. Stretch bought like 3000.
- 1:09:09Coins Tuesday and we are seeing the interest for stretch at
- 1:09:17market open is just scooping up more Bitcoin than the mine
- 1:09:22Bitcoin a day. Let me see if I damn.
- 1:09:29I dude, I don't like all right, I need to.
- 1:09:31Do a better job of of pulling stuff up because sometimes I
- 1:09:36hold on. I yeah, I can't show you all of
- 1:09:40my likes, guys hold. On let me bear with me, bear
- 1:09:45with me. I want to I want to show you
- 1:09:47this because it is it is pretty insane what we're watching with
- 1:09:51stretch it. It really is mind blowing.
- 1:09:53And guys like, I'm not, I'm not going.
- 1:09:57To, you know, dive in on. The the gossip.
- 1:10:00But did you guys catch Matt Odell's Noster post about it?
- 1:10:05Brutal, bro. Matt Adele chose violence that
- 1:10:10morning. That was savage.
- 1:10:13OK, I guess I didn't like it. Damn.
- 1:10:16Just trust me. I know.
- 1:10:18I'm like, if I see another one tomorrow or by today to
- 1:10:21tomorrow, I'll make sure to like it.
- 1:10:23So you guys can just kind of wrap your head like the amount
- 1:10:26of capital that's going into Stretch or rather the amount of
- 1:10:29interest that is happening with Stretch it it's.
- 1:10:33Truly mind blowing. He's buying with just that
- 1:10:36single product, the stretch STRC product is buying so much
- 1:10:41Bitcoin on the daily basis. It's it's hard for me to to see
- 1:10:47that and not be like, yo, this is different.
- 1:10:49Like this is fundamentally different.
- 1:10:51And he also doubled down and say, hey, we're going to be
- 1:10:53buying. We're still buying more common,
- 1:10:56more Bitcoin for the common stock.
- 1:10:58And of course, Taylor's probably buying personally, it just like
- 1:11:02these. Not I don't think we're Dude, do
- 1:11:06I got to show you. My trend line I dude.
- 1:11:09I know I'm. I know I was.
- 1:11:11Wrong about the top. I know I was wrong about the
- 1:11:13four year cycle, but I really don't think the bear market's.
- 1:11:17Going to last till. October guys, that's that's all.
- 1:11:20That's all I am going to say. But anyways they give you kind
- 1:11:24of a general update and and this is probably most of the signal.
- 1:11:28So remember, we have been following along the kind of
- 1:11:32general ETF inflows because they have held up.
- 1:11:37Pretty good. They they've actually been
- 1:11:39pretty bullish throughout the last what, 5 close to six weeks?
- 1:11:43When this war started, it didn't seem like the price drop really
- 1:11:49scared the institutional ETF investor.
- 1:11:52It almost seemed like they were buying the dip, which is a
- 1:11:57interesting dichotomy that we've seen is like retail is
- 1:12:00completely gone. Retail is nowhere to be found.
- 1:12:03Retail is, you know, out to lunch.
- 1:12:08They're not interested in Bitcoin, but the institutions
- 1:12:11are dropping Bitcoin products, buying Bitcoin through the ETF.
- 1:12:17Inflows. Positioning.
- 1:12:20Themselves to be the leaders. In Bitcoin space, or at least
- 1:12:24about to drop some Bitcoin products like the Charles Schwab
- 1:12:28is about to drop Bitcoin trading within a few months It it
- 1:12:34literally. Feels like the foundation, the
- 1:12:36stepping. Stones have been built so that
- 1:12:38huge capital can come in. And I know a lot of people have
- 1:12:41been saying in the chat like, hey, do you guys even buy
- 1:12:45Bitcoin anymore? Like does anyone even buy
- 1:12:48Bitcoin anymore? Because like, why?
- 1:12:52Isn't the price going up? And I'm like, I don't think I.
- 1:12:54Don't think retail is in control at all anymore.
- 1:12:57For the last two years, I don't think retail has been in
- 1:12:59control. I think it's these institutions
- 1:13:01and yes they are playing some paper games as the Jane St.
- 1:13:05story that we've talked about in the past has proven, as the
- 1:13:09GameStop Coinbase story has proven.
- 1:13:11Yes there is you know naked shorts happening.
- 1:13:14Yes, there is potentially more rehypothecation in the system
- 1:13:18than we even believe. And now?
- 1:13:22We are starting to see that, yes.
- 1:13:24Overall, the ETF inflows have been very good, but we got some
- 1:13:29brutal numbers here. Oh hold on, shouts out to
- 1:13:34Bitcoin. News for covering this one.
- 1:13:37Bitcoin ETFs have. Recorded a 200 and. $83 million
- 1:13:41in outflows in the last two days so like.
- 1:13:46You know, sailors buying. 10s of millions the Morgan Stanley.
- 1:13:53ETF bought 10s. Of 1,000,000, but we're seeing
- 1:13:582. 100 Almost 300. Million of outflows from the
- 1:14:01general ETFs now. The real question.
- 1:14:06Here is is some of that capital. That we saw outflow.
- 1:14:10In the last two days, rotating into the Morgan Stanley Bitcoin
- 1:14:14ETF. So it's not necessarily leaving
- 1:14:16the ecosystem per SE. Maybe they're trying to get the,
- 1:14:19you know, .14% fees. So maybe some of that capital is
- 1:14:26waiting on the sideline so it can kind of get back in towards
- 1:14:30the Morgan Stanley ETF. So it's not necessarily saying
- 1:14:33it's completely gone, but they are cells.
- 1:14:37Remember how the ETFs work? Those would be considered.
- 1:14:41Sales on the open. Market now.
- 1:14:47Is there some rehypothecation happening?
- 1:14:50Most of them are being custody with Coinbase.
- 1:14:55Is there more? Than 21 million coins on.
- 1:14:57Paper Is there more sales than actually underlying Bitcoin
- 1:15:03assets could be? And that's usually.
- 1:15:08Why the hope is for the Clarity Act is that we do get some good
- 1:15:14regulatory clarity here, that we do get some clear rules of the
- 1:15:18road. And I doubt, look, I doubt it
- 1:15:21would be like, you know, the US government saying you can't re
- 1:15:26hypothecate Bitcoin. Like I highly doubt that's even
- 1:15:29a part of this conversation. But if it were or maybe.
- 1:15:34They do kind of the federal. Reserve like 10% needs to be
- 1:15:38reserved, which still wouldn't be a good thing.
- 1:15:41I'd. Still, you know not.
- 1:15:43A good thing, but if we see any inclination of what the clarity
- 1:15:49rules might be based off what we're seeing.
- 1:15:53From the stablecoin Genius. Act it's going to all most.
- 1:15:57Likely be 1 to 1. So they.
- 1:16:01Will be barred. From re hypothecating, who
- 1:16:06knows? But even with all that being.
- 1:16:09Said I hate to be the guy. That quotes the.
- 1:16:13Ogs all the time, but one of my favorite posts is that how
- 1:16:16Finney tweet literally like a week after or it wasn't even
- 1:16:20tweet. It was a Bitcoin talk for him
- 1:16:22literally a week after Bitcoin was released, and he basically
- 1:16:26said, you know, Bitcoin transactions will be as rare in
- 1:16:29the future as they are today. Bitcoin might get the $10
- 1:16:32million. Well, Bitcoin will get the $10
- 1:16:35million and there will be fully. Reserved Bitcoin.
- 1:16:39Banks and they will be fractional reserve Bitcoin banks
- 1:16:43and the market will find out which one they want to use,
- 1:16:47which is basically saying. The fractional.
- 1:16:49Reserve Bitcoin. Banks will most likely blow up
- 1:16:52and people will lose a lot of money and it's going to hurt for
- 1:16:54everyone. Or it might do the opposite.
- 1:16:58If we start. Seeing bank runs in Bitcoin,
- 1:17:01maybe we see Omega candle pessimist field.
- 1:17:05That wasn't even that pessimistic bro.
- 1:17:09I think I've been actually. Kind of bullish here.
- 1:17:11Do I? Do I need to?
- 1:17:12Do you even have Bitcoin? Off you know dude, I lost in a.
- 1:17:17Boating accident? I just like talking about
- 1:17:20Bitcoin. Do I need?
- 1:17:23To prove my bullishness by. Pulling up a chart.
- 1:17:26How long have I been gone? You guys don't want to see the
- 1:17:33one minute chart, do you? Shit, why not?
- 1:17:39Why not? Let's have a little fun.
- 1:17:44All right, this is the end of the show.
- 1:17:45I'm only doing this. Because I have memed the one
- 1:17:49minute chart. Actually, I'm not even going to
- 1:17:52do the one minute chart. Here's my daily chart guys.
- 1:17:58I don't know, man, I don't. Know I'm starting to feel a
- 1:18:03little bullish here obviously we got to get above 70 three,
- 1:18:098:00-ish you know I want to see Bitcoin at 75 and then I will be
- 1:18:15regardedly. I will be hold on, hold on.
- 1:18:21I will be super optimistic. I would be incredibly bullish,
- 1:18:29but check it guys. My trend line since the.
- 1:18:31War. Wait, is that the war?
- 1:18:33No, no, that's not the war. When did the war start?
- 1:18:36Wasn't February, was it? War in Iran, 2026?
- 1:18:42That wasn't February, was it? Oh yeah, it was.
- 1:18:45OK so dude I had to stop second guess my since the war I have
- 1:18:54this trend line and I put it up. Around.
- 1:19:00I don't know, somewhere I think, you know, early March and it was
- 1:19:04holding up very strong. And then we got naked March 27th
- 1:19:09and I think I was on the show and I'm like, man, my trend
- 1:19:13line's broken and I just didn't change it.
- 1:19:17I. Just kind of left it.
- 1:19:17I'm like. Well, maybe it'll come back, you
- 1:19:20know it kissed, came back down. We broke above the 50 day moving
- 1:19:26average. It's currently at 68.8 K.
- 1:19:31Busted through my trend line pause yesterday.
- 1:19:37We did. Get a little pull back.
- 1:19:39But look at that guys. Look at that magic dude.
- 1:19:41My magic lines, my astrology for men holding up pretty good boys,
- 1:19:48we are doing pretty good. Let's see.
- 1:19:52I don't know guys. One minute charts looking.
- 1:19:54Bullish. I trade that all.
- 1:19:57Right. All right, all.
- 1:20:00Right, we need to get above 126 K before I get bullish again.
- 1:20:04Yeah, I mean, dude, obviously I'm still reeling from 10/10.
- 1:20:09World Mental. Update last year what's that
- 1:20:12what's that? Oh, that's that's actually
- 1:20:15funny. 1010. Was mental health day huh?
- 1:20:21What am I? Yeah, dude, I said.
- 1:20:26Pause, I said pause. All right, guys, I said pause,
- 1:20:29all right, I said pause. Jeez.
- 1:20:36I said pause. All.
- 1:20:40Right. All right.
- 1:20:41OK, I'm done. I'm done.
- 1:20:42For today, I'm done for the day. Don't clip me.
- 1:20:46Don't clip me. All right guys, As you can tell,
- 1:20:52I'm alone today and Nico is currently at the airport.
- 1:20:56He's going to bit block. Boom.
- 1:20:57I'm I'm stuck in the dungeon. I'm stuck in the dungeon making
- 1:21:02content for you guys. I get no.
- 1:21:06Breaks dude. I'm here for you guys.
- 1:21:10I'll be here tomorrow. It will be just actually let me
- 1:21:13double check. Do I have a guest tomorrow?
- 1:21:17I hope I don't have a guest tomorrow.
- 1:21:19I. Don't know.
- 1:21:22I'll be here tomorrow, OK? Same.
- 1:21:24Time as always. Appreciate you guys last show of
- 1:21:26the week. I hope you guys have a good rest
- 1:21:28of your day, eat some good food, get a little workout and get get
- 1:21:32your steps in, get some sun if it's sunny where you are, call
- 1:21:36your loved ones all that good stuff.
- 1:21:39Buy some Bitcoin. I've I need to do the British
- 1:21:42huddle like the 5-6 rules of Bitcoin doesn't sound as good
- 1:21:48as. The three rules, but.
- 1:21:50I got it. I got to switch up.
- 1:21:52Anyways, I love. You guys, I appreciate you guys.
- 1:21:54I hope you enjoyed today's show. I will catch you tomorrow for
- 1:21:58the last episode of the week. Peace out guys.
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