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Unthawing Frozen: Part 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is any Ay and Samantha and welcome to
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Speaker 1: Stephan Never told you a protection of iHeartRadio, and we
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Speaker 1: are back with part two of our Frozen episodes. Please
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Speaker 1: listen to part one to get more of the kind
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Speaker 1: of background, and this one we're going to be talking
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Speaker 1: about some of the themes and legacies and things like that,
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Speaker 1: because this movie was huge. It was huge, and it
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Speaker 1: had huge impacts and this is the ten year anniversary
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Speaker 1: and everyone is talking about it. And it's very rare
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Speaker 1: that I throw on the towel, defeated about reading every
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Speaker 1: article I want to read before we do an episode,
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Speaker 1: but I did it for this long. No, we'll never
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Speaker 1: get this EPISO so recorded. Yeah, people have a lot
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Speaker 1: of thoughts and we're going to talk about it. So, yes,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the twenty thirteen Disney animated movie
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Speaker 1: Frozen and the sequel. This is where the spoilers for
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Speaker 1: the sequel will come in. And yeah, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 1: say it's spoiled. I will spoil it. So just to
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Speaker 1: put that out there. I think when people are writing
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Speaker 1: about this movie now, one of the things that a
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Speaker 1: lot of people have been writing about is this was
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Speaker 1: the first quote new wave princess movie where they Disney
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Speaker 1: was trying to pivot away from like, you're not traditional
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Speaker 1: Disney princess story anyway, the heroes, they were the heroes
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Speaker 1: of the story, at least one female character is not
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Speaker 1: romantically involved. And it stirred a lot of conversation then
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Speaker 1: and now. But I have a whole thought about this
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Speaker 1: at the end. But I don't think and especially in
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Speaker 1: like interviews I've read with Jennifer Lee, like, it's not
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Speaker 1: like they were like trying to make a feminist movie.
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Speaker 1: They were just trying to make a movie that wasn't
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Speaker 1: like all about men. And that's kind of the thing.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're talking about when all these
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Speaker 1: other movies came after it. So some of the big
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Speaker 1: themes in Frozen our first sisterhood. As I said in
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Speaker 1: part one, they weren't originally sisters in the first script.
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Speaker 1: They are not sisters in the fairy tale, but they
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Speaker 1: decided to make them sisters to give them a more
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Speaker 1: complex relationship, and a lot of people said that was
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Speaker 1: the key to making it work because a lot of
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Speaker 1: their first scripts, as we talked about in the last one,
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Speaker 1: did not work. Basically, like no one connected to Elsa.
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Speaker 1: No one really was sure what Anna was doing there,
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Speaker 1: so making them sisters helped fix those things, and then
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Speaker 1: making Elsa sympathetic and not the villain helped make the
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Speaker 1: story more compelling. And I do remember when I saw this,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk about this at the end,
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Speaker 1: but like I remember thinking, finally, when the true the
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Speaker 1: act of true love was Anna choosing Elsa over Christoph
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Speaker 1: her maybe true one, true love, because you know, we're
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Speaker 1: kind of set up to believe that movie does a
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Speaker 1: very good job about setting you up to believe like
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Speaker 1: that's it, that's was going to save her life, but
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Speaker 1: she chooses Elsa instead, even though as far as she knows,
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Speaker 1: she'll die, and that's the act of true love. But
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Speaker 1: I remember being like, finally they did it where it's
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Speaker 1: not like dude kissing a woman who might be come
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Speaker 1: with us right to say I will yeah, no knowledge,
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Speaker 1: never have met, possibly no consent. Yeah, Like yeah, I
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Speaker 1: just that's what I That's the main thing I remember thinking,
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, good. And I remember Jennifer Lee
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Speaker 1: said that like one of the things she said was
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Speaker 1: the original story felt too much like you have your
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Speaker 1: evil witch and your young heroine and the two women
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Speaker 1: and they're against each other, and it was like, done,
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Speaker 1: We've done that, Let's do something else, right, And so
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Speaker 1: that was that was a big theme in it was
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Speaker 1: that the bond between Anna and Elsa. Also, I have
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Speaker 1: written a story where the plot twist is exactly this,
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Speaker 1: and it's one of my favorite things I've ever written.
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Speaker 1: One day, I'll read it on here. But I was like, yes, Finity,
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Speaker 1: I do also think there's around this time is when
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Speaker 1: we started seeing I think this was when a lot
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Speaker 1: of criticism was happening about older Disney movies, princess movies,
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Speaker 1: and so Disney was trying to be like, she's not
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Speaker 1: you have a regular princess. Look at her. She's a mess,
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Speaker 1: she likes eating. So they did have a lot of
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Speaker 1: that with Anna. She's clumsy, she's very clumsy princess, which
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Speaker 1: I feel like is a very We've talked about that
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Speaker 1: with like Mary sus or the very tropy kind of Twilight,
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Speaker 1: like the sort of oh, she's quite clumsy, But they do.
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Speaker 1: Elsa and Anna do spend most of the first movie
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Speaker 1: kind of separated, with Elsa feeling like she's dangerous and
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Speaker 1: she'll hurt Anna again, but Anna's always kind of like
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Speaker 1: trying to repair this relationship or maintain this relationship. She's
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Speaker 1: very supportive. When you go to the second one, Elsa
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Speaker 1: relinquishes her crown to Anna, who she believes is a
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Speaker 1: better leader. Elsa and honor sort of like the bridge
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Speaker 1: between nature and civilization. And Elsa chooses to stay with
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Speaker 1: nature and she abdicates the throne, but she's very like, no,
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Speaker 1: you were the better choice for this. You were the
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Speaker 1: one who should be ruling. This is sort of like
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Speaker 1: jumping the gun to something else we're going to talk about,
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Speaker 1: but here's a quote from medium. The last point I
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Speaker 1: want to make about the queer themes on both films
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Speaker 1: is the importance of Anna. Much praise is given to
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Speaker 1: the first film for featuring a central love story between
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Speaker 1: two sisters, which is valid, but it's also important to
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Speaker 1: mention that Anna loves her sister no matter what. Anna
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Speaker 1: was the one hurt when they were children, but she
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Speaker 1: never for a second blamed Elsa or asked her to
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Speaker 1: hide her powers. If Anna loved Elsa despite her ice powers,
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Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't have had the power to save Elsa
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Speaker 1: in the first film, or to do the exact same thing.
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Speaker 1: In the second one, Anna's left for her sister's unconditional
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Speaker 1: in essence true love. So yes, there is a big
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Speaker 1: queer element of these get to in a second, But
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Speaker 1: I guess it kind of brings us to the romance
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Speaker 1: theme of this whole thing, because, like I said, this
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Speaker 1: is a it's an interesting thing when you're watching a
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Speaker 1: movie and it's like making fun of all of the
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Speaker 1: other tropes in Disney movies, but still like doing the thing.
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Speaker 1: But they did question love at first sight because when
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Speaker 1: you I mean the first time I watched it, I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, it's just like a Disney movie
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Speaker 1: for her to fall in love immediately, Well, why am
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Speaker 1: I gonna doubt that for a second. But then you
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Speaker 1: have Elsa being like, no, you just met this guy.
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Speaker 1: And then you have Christoph being like, no, you just
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Speaker 1: met the sky.
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Speaker 2: Which, by the way, didn't she just been like one
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Speaker 2: to two days with Christolph as well?
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Speaker 1: Yeah they did, but they did not. They did not
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Speaker 1: get married for many, maybe years, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: long it takes place, but for a while.
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Speaker 2: That's the same thing with on the ones, they're trying
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Speaker 2: to plan their wedding. They keep have splaying in the wedding.
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Speaker 2: Oh really, all the things that Anna has to do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well, that's what happens in Frozen too, is
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Speaker 1: he keeps trying to propose and she's like, I'm too busy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm too busy. She doesn't know he's trying to propose,
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Speaker 1: but she she's just she's got a lot going had
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Speaker 1: a lot going on. But that is one of the
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Speaker 1: things about Frozen is it's strange because it's like it's
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Speaker 1: meta in a way, but it's also like it's like
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Speaker 1: Disney being meta about a thing that they created, like
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Speaker 1: a problem they created. Right.
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Speaker 2: Well, Mozielle was in another movie, Enchanted, that did the
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Speaker 2: same thing that did that made fun of that thing too.
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen Enchanted. What Yeah, oh I have. I
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Speaker 1: have some fan fiction that I love that is based
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Speaker 1: on Enchanted.
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Speaker 2: So I actually really really liked Enchanted. That was one
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Speaker 2: of the ones that I watch and it's so cheesy,
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Speaker 2: but it's like, oh, oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I'll put it on the list. I've been
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Speaker 1: meaning to watch it to better understand my fan fiction
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Speaker 1: at the very least, which is why I watched Tangled
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Speaker 1: in the first place. Too.
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Speaker 2: Well, like like when we talked about doing my big
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Speaker 2: fat Greek wedding, You're like, oh, help me understand my
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Speaker 2: fan fation it.
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Speaker 1: Will I'm very excited about it, one of my very favorites.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But that is one of the things that
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Speaker 1: people talk about a lot with this movie is like,
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Speaker 1: you know, on a Falsham love so quick with Hans
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Speaker 1: Or she thinks she does, and then Christaph but then
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, she'd also like grown up, totally
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Speaker 1: isolated without love or affection really, and then they open
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Speaker 1: the doors and she's just so like, this is it
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Speaker 1: And it felt very It reminded me of like a
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Speaker 1: lot of the conditioning the rest of us have gotten
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Speaker 1: from Disney movies, that this ideal is real and it exists,
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Speaker 1: and that you can get it because she is like
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Speaker 1: immediate immedia. I did find it interesting in terms of
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Speaker 1: a Disney movie that the traditional love interest is the villain,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of men wrote angry pieces about this. Lol.
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Speaker 1: You can find if you want to go a chuckle.
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Speaker 1: They were like, oh, never would he do that? Like really,
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Speaker 1: I know? So I actually hadn't seen Frozen in a while,
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Speaker 1: and I made this outline before I rewatched it last night,
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Speaker 1: but this time the Fixer Upper. I was like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot to say about this because
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Speaker 1: it's essentially like the family's trying to fix you up.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to fix everybody, like the ear Fixer Upper.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, sure, I'm gonna get real
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Speaker 1: mad about it. It's more just they're kind of like, eh,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna I guess I thought it
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Speaker 1: was gonna be much more you can get in this
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Speaker 1: relationship and fix him. But they actually have a whole
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Speaker 1: line about like you can't.
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Speaker 2: Do that they do. They talk about that completely saying like, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not a thing. You can't change him, right right, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And Christoph in the second one has a whole song
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Speaker 1: about I don't know who I am without you, if
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Speaker 1: I'm not your guy. It's very much the song that
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Speaker 1: usually I feel like the woman would be singing in
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Speaker 1: these things, Like he's he's much more in the role
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Speaker 1: of like I am the love interest who is defined
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Speaker 1: by the person I'm in love with, and it's not
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Speaker 1: painted as a bad thing. He's just confused, like he's like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know who I am but then later he
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Speaker 1: has a line in the where he says, my love
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Speaker 1: is not fragile, and that's when she's talking about I
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Speaker 1: need to put this first and we'll talk about our
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Speaker 1: whole thing later, like I've kind of do this, she
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Speaker 1: I thought was good. Another thing I mentioned in the
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Speaker 1: last one, and I thought this was really interesting is
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Speaker 1: that kids generally prefer Elsa who has powers but no romance,
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Speaker 1: that that's the one that they identify with, that's the
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Speaker 1: one they want to dress as, which I totally get
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Speaker 1: what a lot of people were confused by. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I feel like she has powers. No one gets her.
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Speaker 1: When you're a kid, you're like, ah, yeah, her costume's great,
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Speaker 1: Like she has a whole as the queen. She's the queen.
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Speaker 1: She could control the weather and just like builds a castle.
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Speaker 2: Right, it makes things fun after.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but as a kid, look to me, that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: But I remember when this came out, a bunch of
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Speaker 1: news sources were like, what, why are they going? Why
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Speaker 1: do they like Elsa so much? Why would they choose her?
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Speaker 1: She doesn't have a man, she doesn't have a happily
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Speaker 1: ever after? And I was like, of course they would
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Speaker 1: chose Elsa like of course, but also isn't it kind
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Speaker 1: of strange that we're socializing little girls to want to
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Speaker 1: get married right right away over like, oh I get
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Speaker 1: to control the weather. That's a fun thing.
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Speaker 2: Be the queen, protect things, creations. I mean, she made
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Speaker 2: all off she did.
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Speaker 1: Like, it's just strange to me that they're like, but
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Speaker 1: Anna has the man. I'm like, these are children. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they're not into the right part right now. I don't
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Speaker 1: care about this right Like, it's not like they didn't
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Speaker 1: like her, but yeah, if you're gonna dress up, hell yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think like what other kids were dressed
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Speaker 2: up as, Like, even for the Little Marmaid, it wasn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily because of the prince. The prince was like secondary.
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Speaker 2: It was the fact that she was a mermaid. You're
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Speaker 2: completely right.
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Speaker 1: I agree.
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Speaker 2: My generation of like I was in middle school, I
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Speaker 2: was in elementary school, sixth grade. I think when all
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Speaker 2: the big movies that Beauty and the Beast. Yes, people
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Speaker 2: really did love Bell and the Beast, but it was
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Speaker 2: more like, you know, you're taming someone type of thing.
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Speaker 2: But I feel like the big success in that movie
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Speaker 2: was the Candlestick and Missus Potts, like it was not
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Speaker 2: necessarily the princess and the Prince, like all these secondary
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Speaker 2: characters really came into play. Aladdin was the big thing,
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Speaker 2: like the actual Aladdin. And then yeah, when I'm thinking
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Speaker 2: about all the Disney movies outside of like Snow White
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Speaker 2: and Cinderella, which were those characters for sure, but then
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Speaker 2: when you get into the new age of like Lion
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Speaker 2: Kean and Little Mermaid, Aladdin, those were not the people
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Speaker 2: who were concentrated on Mulan did not care about the dude,
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Speaker 2: did not care.
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Speaker 1: No, And I think you're totally right, Like I when
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Speaker 1: I look back, it's not I was like, yes, they're
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Speaker 1: finally kissing, Like look at that cool magic thing, right, and.
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Speaker 2: Really like look at that animal. I really wish I
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Speaker 2: had the horse or the dragon, like it was all
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Speaker 2: of those things. Yes, which I mean I've said the
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Speaker 2: most dressed up character in Mulan is the matchmaker, though
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Speaker 2: I really think it's true.
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Speaker 1: I did see a really good cosplay of that recently,
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Speaker 1: so good they had like the Street Yeah, like yeah, oh,
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Speaker 1: it was so good.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying like maybe it was our generation that
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Speaker 2: really broke that mold. And I'm saying that as a
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Speaker 2: gen X slash millennial like I was eighty that were like, yeah, no,
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Speaker 2: we want these quirky characters. We don't care about these things.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think even in terms of like like
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Speaker 1: looking back at Beauty and the Beast, I liked her dress.
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Speaker 1: It's not that I was like, oh, their dance sing together.
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Speaker 1: I was like, look at her dress Rice, which you know,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely still those messages are there of like oh,
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Speaker 1: get married if this is your thing, but it's not.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really the big thing I took away.
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Speaker 1: I was more like, wow, right, look at the magic
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Speaker 1: talking things in their dress.
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Speaker 2: Right. I can't back with Beauty and the Beast, she
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Speaker 2: was getting away from the ideal man who being a punk,
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Speaker 2: but like you know what I mean, Like it wasn't right.
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Speaker 2: She wasn't searching for man. She could have had a man.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's true. But it was really funny, honestly
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Speaker 1: to go back to these articles that were so perplexed,
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Speaker 1: like why are they so choosing Alsa when she didn't
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Speaker 1: even get a man of the I feel like it's
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Speaker 1: prett obvious. But Lee said Jennifer Lee, who is like
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Speaker 1: co director Coreator and also, I think this is one
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Speaker 1: of the first Disney movies. I could be totally wrong,
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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure this is one of the first
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Speaker 1: Disney movies that ushered in a new age of having
17:16
Speaker 1: the two directors, but it was directed by two people anyway,
17:21
Speaker 1: she said, I think the thing with Anna that was
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Speaker 1: really challenging was I think too many times people think
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Speaker 1: a character flaw means they have a personality disorder or something,
17:29
Speaker 1: and her flaw it really it took repeating over and
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Speaker 1: over again to say, if we really want this ultimately
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Speaker 1: to be about the power of true love, this has
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Speaker 1: to be an analysis of what true love is, and
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Speaker 1: so you have to have a character who wants love. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: so I did think about I got all these other
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Speaker 1: ideas when I was doing this outline, because of course
17:53
Speaker 1: one was Brave, which I do want to come back
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Speaker 1: and talk about. But when Brave came out, Brave ends
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Speaker 1: with a sixteen year old girl heaven forbid not getting
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Speaker 1: engaged and getting married, and everyone was like, oh God,
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Speaker 1: she's gay because she didn't end up with a man
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Speaker 1: at the end, and it was a huge conversation. I
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Speaker 1: remember this, but you mentioned in the last one that
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Speaker 1: there's a storyline about Brave in the show, when Areda comes.
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Speaker 2: Into play, Meredith comes into play. The Helm is a
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Speaker 2: part of it. There's a battle between what would be
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Speaker 2: king Author and her essentially, and then she is being
18:31
Speaker 2: controlled by the villains to teach someone else to be brave. Oh,
18:36
Speaker 2: and then we have car and then her father passing
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Speaker 2: away and her watching and like all these things. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and her becoming her, protecting her brothers and protecting her kingdom.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I definitely gotta watch this. Yeah, Brave makes me cry
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Speaker 1: every time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a good little end scene where she
18:55
Speaker 2: has a chat with him because there's a potion that
18:57
Speaker 2: you can talk with the dead. Yes, oh, well that
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Speaker 2: happens in that once. Yes, I know nothing about this movie.
19:04
Speaker 2: I know nothing about the actual movies. I just know
19:07
Speaker 2: what's on because thank God, I guess, for better or
19:10
Speaker 2: for worse, Disney owns ABC, so they had all the
19:13
Speaker 2: rights to get every one of these characters without.
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Speaker 1: Yes, well, if I had a different podcast, we would
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Speaker 1: talk about the Pixar multiverse theory. But in Brave, she
19:26
Speaker 1: goes to see this witch who can make these potions.
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Speaker 1: But she's supposed to be. The Witch is the child
19:37
Speaker 1: Boo from Monsters Inc. Who is desperately trying to find
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Speaker 1: a way back to meet the monsters again, and she
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Speaker 1: starts the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: Ah yeah, Now, I will say I think my favorite
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Speaker 2: Pixar movie outside of Mulan is Monsters Inc. Two of
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Speaker 2: them are my I will watch, oh and Gratitude. He
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Speaker 2: is my go A two comfort sad movie.
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Speaker 1: Yes, every time you say you're watching Gratitude, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: are you okay?
20:07
Speaker 2: That's one of my partner walts And he's like, oh no,
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Speaker 2: what's wrong.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it could be fine, You're comfort movie doesn't necessarily.
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Speaker 2: Alps me sleep sometimes, but I just want that. But yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then one time when I was on like not
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Speaker 2: a good night, he turned it on for me and
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Speaker 2: I was like, no, why would they so sad?
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't handle it, I hear you.
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Speaker 2: I Yes, of all the movies, those three are probably
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Speaker 2: my top. Like Gratitude is my comfort Monsters Incause I
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Speaker 2: think it is sentimental and really sweet and it does
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Speaker 2: make me a little sad. And then Mulan gives me like, oh, representation,
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Speaker 2: that's the all I had, has nothing to do with me.
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Speaker 2: But I still love it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well, oh gosh, one day I'll probably regale
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Speaker 1: you about how all these babies are supposedly connected. Also, yes,
20:58
Speaker 1: we're using Disney Pictar kind of haphazardly, but don't don't add.
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Speaker 2: As you know, it's all right, right, don't say that.
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Speaker 2: As well as the fact that the things we're talking
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Speaker 2: about our old school stuff. Yes, old school stuff except
21:16
Speaker 2: for the new one. If there's a new one and
21:17
Speaker 2: I'm not watching it, so I'm not going to.
21:22
Speaker 1: No, I don't think I like the panic I just
21:25
Speaker 1: saw you.
21:26
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to watch it. I don't like
21:27
Speaker 2: sequels to cartoons.
21:29
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, Well, Animation has just said that they're going
21:32
Speaker 1: to stop doing it because usually they're not successful.
21:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't they do? Like ten of them from Whatser's
21:37
Speaker 2: Seeing and then ten of them for Aladdin. You're like,
21:39
Speaker 2: just stop stop.
21:41
Speaker 1: I am I've seen a lot of them, but Frozen
21:44
Speaker 1: two was a success, like monetarily Okay, but that does
21:48
Speaker 1: bring me kind of to our next point is. Yes,
21:53
Speaker 1: when these movies came out, there was a discussion about
21:55
Speaker 1: the queer aspect of them, especially around Elsa, because Elsa
22:02
Speaker 1: was not explicitly gay, but she wasn't explicitly straight, and
22:06
Speaker 1: it calls all kinds of headlines, plenty of ultra conservative
22:10
Speaker 1: ones that claim this movie was indoctrinating their kids, and like, again,
22:13
Speaker 1: she just didn't end dealt with anybody. I don't know
22:15
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. And there's a lot of li
22:20
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all up for interpretation, but there's a
22:22
Speaker 1: lot of lines, especially like when the second one came
22:24
Speaker 1: out where people were like, okay, wait, Hans has this
22:29
Speaker 1: line in the first one where he says no one
22:30
Speaker 1: was getting anywhere with Elsa, where he was talking about
22:33
Speaker 1: trying to get the throne, like marry her and get
22:36
Speaker 1: the throne, and he says, no one was getting anywhere
22:38
Speaker 1: with Elsa. Some people do think that maybe she's ACE,
22:42
Speaker 1: or maybe she's Aero, or maybe she's Aero ACE, but
22:46
Speaker 1: nothing has been confirmed, and she's just mostly like not sexual,
22:50
Speaker 1: which is different from Ace.
22:51
Speaker 2: Right. See, I just assume she's going through some that's
22:56
Speaker 2: the least of things is on her mind. Me, I
22:59
Speaker 2: don't understand we had to read into it. Why do
23:01
Speaker 2: we have to assign our o thing?
23:02
Speaker 1: Let her just be me? I agree.
23:05
Speaker 2: I will say again with my interjections about once. They
23:08
Speaker 2: also don't try to find her man in that it's
23:10
Speaker 2: about sister. Try to find her sister.
23:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is what the first one was about. Like
23:16
Speaker 1: it was their relationship mainly, and that was a big
23:19
Speaker 1: deal at the time. Unfortunately that it wasn't a love triangle,
23:23
Speaker 1: like Elsa and Anna aren't fighting over a guy, which
23:26
Speaker 1: is how it normally would be. Some people do point
23:31
Speaker 1: out she was Elsa was literally closeted, as in she
23:34
Speaker 1: was hiding in the closet her room most of the movie.
23:39
Speaker 1: Here's a quote from box in particular. San Diego State
23:42
Speaker 1: University professor Angel Daniel Matos, who studies the intersection of
23:47
Speaker 1: queer narratives and children's literature, whote a January twenty fourteen
23:50
Speaker 1: article in which he argued that considering Alsa via the
23:53
Speaker 1: lens of queer literary theory made a lot of sense
23:56
Speaker 1: Mato's trip. Queen Alsa is approached by some viewers as
23:59
Speaker 1: a queer or gay character, not only because she doesn't
24:02
Speaker 1: engage in a romantic relationship in the film, but also
24:04
Speaker 1: because she is forced by her parents to suppress and
24:07
Speaker 1: hide the powers that she is born with. Although the
24:09
Speaker 1: movie implies that her parents desperately try to conceal ELS's
24:12
Speaker 1: powers because of the danger that they impose to herself
24:15
Speaker 1: and to others. This does not justify the degree to
24:18
Speaker 1: which they prevent Elsa from having any human contact whatsoever. Furthermore,
24:23
Speaker 1: the fact that Elsa's parents views oppression and isolation as
24:26
Speaker 1: solutions further emphasizes notions of the infamous queer closet. So Elsa,
24:33
Speaker 1: because she was at one time meant to be Frozen's villain,
24:37
Speaker 1: exhibits lots of traits that we associate with LGBTQ characters,
24:41
Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly. She isolates herself from society. She has strange,
24:45
Speaker 1: barely understood powers. She lashes out of those who would
24:48
Speaker 1: drag her back to the mainstream. She's kind of like
24:51
Speaker 1: one of the X Men, and the X Men have
24:53
Speaker 1: always welcomed queer readings as well. Critically, Elsa isn't the
24:58
Speaker 1: movie's villain. Her love for Anna, and Anna's love for
25:01
Speaker 1: her is what saves the day by the end of
25:03
Speaker 1: the film, and she learns to revel in her powers
25:06
Speaker 1: once she discovers that she can control them through love.
25:09
Speaker 1: All Elsa fears that makes her different, and she's encouraged
25:13
Speaker 1: to do so by her parents, but she ultimately embraces
25:16
Speaker 1: that difference and it's happier for having done so. A
25:19
Speaker 1: queer reading of the character all but suggests itself. Lots
25:22
Speaker 1: of fans thought so too, and in twenty sixteen, a
25:25
Speaker 1: hashtag give els A girlfriend briefly became a Twitter sensation
25:30
Speaker 1: s so I remember, yes, I remember all of this.
25:33
Speaker 1: There was even an sml skits about it where let
25:36
Speaker 1: it go the words we're all changed to we all know,
25:39
Speaker 1: we all know about Elsa being gay, yes, which does
25:46
Speaker 1: bring us to let it go the song, because that
25:49
Speaker 1: song is part of what changed the whole trajectory of
25:51
Speaker 1: the movie in Elsa's character. Alligically, Kristen Bell was the
25:55
Speaker 1: one that was like, it needs to be a power ballad.
25:57
Speaker 1: Here's the title, because it's all about like selfation, empowerment,
26:01
Speaker 1: self acceptance. I don't care what they're going to say.
26:05
Speaker 1: She has those lines about like concealed, don't feel, but
26:07
Speaker 1: now they know. And as she's singing this, she is
26:11
Speaker 1: having a transformation. She was taking her here, Now she's
26:14
Speaker 1: staying off the crowd, she's changing her dress, she's building
26:17
Speaker 1: a castle. It's a very like transformative moment. I did
26:22
Speaker 1: read a cool quote about how it did become kind
26:26
Speaker 1: of a queer anthem, really, but I read a quote
26:29
Speaker 1: about it about like this is like the Gits song
26:34
Speaker 1: no One's going to Accept Me, and then the second
26:36
Speaker 1: one that song is like the but maybe I can
26:40
Speaker 1: love me anyway. But anyway, here's a quote from medium.
26:43
Speaker 1: While let It Go is notable for many things, the
26:46
Speaker 1: Oscar Winner is the most popular song Disney has released
26:49
Speaker 1: since its nineties renaissance period. It is almost, by first glance,
26:53
Speaker 1: a coming out anthem, whether you see it as Elsa
26:55
Speaker 1: coming out as lesbian or as a mutant. Elsa's renouncing
26:59
Speaker 1: a life of hiding and pledging herself to being open
27:01
Speaker 1: about the things that made her different. If the plot
27:05
Speaker 1: of the first movie is looked at through the lens
27:07
Speaker 1: of a gay allegory, Elsa realizes as a child that
27:10
Speaker 1: she is different. Is traumatized when she realizes that her
27:13
Speaker 1: differences could be harmful to her family, and she shuts
27:16
Speaker 1: herself off from them while committing to hiding this part
27:18
Speaker 1: of herself forever. She loses control in a moment of
27:21
Speaker 1: extreme pressure, accidentally outs herself and runs away, deciding that
27:25
Speaker 1: it's better for her to be alone forever. Anna, her
27:28
Speaker 1: accepting sister, ultimately saves her with her true love, and
27:31
Speaker 1: Elsa rejoins society, having accepted that her powers are here
27:35
Speaker 1: to stay.
27:37
Speaker 2: Remember that.
27:39
Speaker 1: But then in the second one, Yeah, they there's like
27:42
Speaker 1: this song that else's hearing that's calling her away, and
27:49
Speaker 1: she keeps trying to ignore it. She keeps trying to
27:52
Speaker 1: hide it, and eventually she does answer it. She does
27:56
Speaker 1: follow it. But in that song she's talking about like
28:01
Speaker 1: what she's been waiting for her whole life. The song
28:04
Speaker 1: is called show yourself, you don't have to hide, Step
28:07
Speaker 1: into your power, and then at the end, Elsa cries.
28:13
Speaker 1: She starts crying when she sings I am found So
28:16
Speaker 1: like I said, this scene is sort of the if
28:20
Speaker 1: this athletic go is the all right fine, then this
28:25
Speaker 1: one is the like, okay, I can love myself. So
28:30
Speaker 1: here is another quote from Medium. While again one could
28:34
Speaker 1: look at the end of Frozen as she's happy now,
28:36
Speaker 1: Frozen two shows that there's still lingering doubt and anxiety
28:39
Speaker 1: that Elsa feels sure everyone knows now, but she's still
28:42
Speaker 1: afraid that she's going to screw something up. She tolerates
28:45
Speaker 1: her powers, she doesn't appreciate them. She likes herself, but
28:49
Speaker 1: she doesn't love herself because she still hung up on
28:51
Speaker 1: that unusual part of her biology. Okay, so yeah, and
28:55
Speaker 1: the second one, she is hearing this call. It is
28:58
Speaker 1: a woman who's sing to her, like calling her to
29:01
Speaker 1: the great unknown. She meets a young woman in the
29:04
Speaker 1: forest after answering the call named honey Maren, and they
29:07
Speaker 1: share a conversation that is very similar to the one
29:10
Speaker 1: that Christoph and Anna sharing the first one. It's the
29:12
Speaker 1: same scene, it's kind of the same vibe, but then
29:16
Speaker 1: Honey Maren is like not really there again until the
29:18
Speaker 1: end when Elsa because Elsa kind of runs away, but
29:23
Speaker 1: Elsa does choose to stay in the enchanted forest at
29:26
Speaker 1: the end. But yeah, I mean, also like to your point,
29:30
Speaker 1: it could be there's no romance, but also yeah, Ace,
29:33
Speaker 1: people do exist. And also a reminder because I saw
29:36
Speaker 1: some headlines where I was like Ace being Ace is gay,
29:40
Speaker 1: Like she's a She's still gay.
29:43
Speaker 2: I mean, to this whole point, like I can see
29:46
Speaker 2: for those who are just trying to find a representation
29:50
Speaker 2: like this level of like needing this, and that's understandable.
29:53
Speaker 2: And I get that too, And like yeah, though, if
29:55
Speaker 2: you really wasn't to that, maybe could and that's amazing.
29:58
Speaker 2: If that works for you then and that's exactly what
30:01
Speaker 2: it is for you, you do that. But also if
30:04
Speaker 2: they're paralleling the Anna and Christoph line, I mean, that
30:09
Speaker 2: would make reason to be like, oh, here we go,
30:11
Speaker 2: this is the love plot, right. Yeah.
30:14
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to make it sound like I
30:16
Speaker 1: don't because I totally get I absolutely get it. I
30:22
Speaker 1: have done this with less where I'm like they're definitely
30:25
Speaker 1: together or if it's just definitely gay. I'm not trying
30:29
Speaker 1: to make it sound like that at all.
30:31
Speaker 2: I think.
30:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a question of more representation
30:33
Speaker 1: if there's so little you're looking for, like anything, and
30:40
Speaker 1: it's true, like I don't think I can totally see
30:43
Speaker 1: the quick covering of it. Absolutely. I was watching Let
30:46
Speaker 1: It Go See last night.
30:47
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, as I said, like, it felt
30:51
Speaker 2: like it's a very very very very very very white
30:55
Speaker 2: white white movie. Like everybody's very white. Yeah, let's just
31:00
Speaker 2: very clear. I didn't see any guess that was of
31:02
Speaker 2: any except for the one dude that may have been Latin,
31:08
Speaker 2: Latino or Hispanic, I don't know, but I was like yeah,
31:12
Speaker 2: this is and get having that music and then like
31:15
Speaker 2: the climax being very much like this sounds like indigenous music.
31:19
Speaker 2: What is happening? What is happening? So like finding trying
31:23
Speaker 2: to find representation in that movie is nice. I get that.
31:25
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we're gonna talk about that more in a second. Yeah,
31:32
Speaker 1: because the second one as a whole plot about displacing,
31:36
Speaker 1: colonizing Native people's That's like the whole thing is when
31:40
Speaker 1: she gets to the enchanted forest, they learn that their
31:45
Speaker 1: grandfather had betrayed the indigenous people. Their mother was indigenous,
31:55
Speaker 1: and they have to kind of decide what they're going
32:00
Speaker 1: to do about it. But that is the whole plot.
32:03
Speaker 1: Oh well, I didn't know that. I'm glad they found
32:09
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess. But it was folk. I mean
32:12
Speaker 1: es now made fun of that too, because they're like, yeah,
32:14
Speaker 1: there's black people in the second one, but like it's
32:18
Speaker 1: rural Norway, and now we're kind of like, how did
32:20
Speaker 1: they get there? It's sort of both.
32:26
Speaker 2: What's happening?
32:27
Speaker 1: Where are we going?
32:27
Speaker 2: Where are we going? With us?
32:29
Speaker 1: Yes, here's a quote from Box. Disney keeps coming back
32:42
Speaker 1: to the idea of metaphorically dissecting the unsavory aspects of
32:46
Speaker 1: American history in order to move forward as a nation,
32:49
Speaker 1: But it almost never has the guts to actually suggest
32:52
Speaker 1: anything needs to change to up end the current social
32:55
Speaker 1: order because the current social order place is Disney at
32:57
Speaker 1: the top of the urine box off nearly every year.
33:01
Speaker 1: A world where we really got serious about writing the
33:03
Speaker 1: wrongs of colonialism would be a world that might also
33:06
Speaker 1: start to undercut capitalism. And if you're Disney, can't have that. Now.
33:12
Speaker 1: This is something I also want to come back and
33:14
Speaker 1: talk about. Because Frozen did make it paved the way
33:20
Speaker 1: for it was so successful. It paved the way for
33:23
Speaker 1: a lot of movies like Incanto, Turning Red, and they
33:28
Speaker 1: were all successful. But recently with things like The Marvels
33:32
Speaker 1: and Wish, there's been a lot of like talking about it,
33:41
Speaker 1: some of it helpful and some of it not. I
33:43
Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts about it. But it is
33:46
Speaker 1: interesting to me that this movie was so successful and
33:51
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, let's do more, and then like the
33:53
Speaker 1: second one isn't as successful, to like never again. But
33:58
Speaker 1: that's for another podcast. Also, I read a lot of
34:03
Speaker 1: stuff about why they haven't made elsa canonically queer and
34:09
Speaker 1: a lot of it is what we've talked about before,
34:11
Speaker 1: where in certain countries it would get the movie banns
34:17
Speaker 1: and Disney is a company that is all about money.
34:20
Speaker 1: So anyway, another big thing in here is trauma. You
34:27
Speaker 1: got the losing parents. What you got to have if
34:29
Speaker 1: you're in a Disney movie, a parent has to die.
34:33
Speaker 1: It has to die. Yeah, they have to die. The
34:34
Speaker 1: second one does imply that they died. Looking for answers
34:37
Speaker 1: about Elsa like you talked about in once another conversation too.
34:41
Speaker 1: But this also mirrors other things I've been observing in
34:44
Speaker 1: children's media lately, her Elsa being afraid of her powers
34:49
Speaker 1: and herself and having trauma of that. She does the
34:54
Speaker 1: reason I mentioned like in passing that, like she lets
34:57
Speaker 1: her hair down when she's singing let it Go, but
35:00
Speaker 1: it's still in the braid. In the second one she
35:02
Speaker 1: takes it out the great she really, Yes she does,
35:06
Speaker 1: Yeah she does. But she does have those little steps,
35:08
Speaker 1: like she takes off her gloves using her powers. And
35:11
Speaker 1: there is a theme of mental health with Elsa that
35:13
Speaker 1: I read a lot of articles about about people resonating
35:16
Speaker 1: with that. I resonated with the open closed door metaphor
35:20
Speaker 1: I also resonated with as unhealthy as this may be,
35:24
Speaker 1: when she's she says, I'm alone and I am free
35:29
Speaker 1: because having all those expectations of how you should be
35:31
Speaker 1: and how you should act, and then when you're alone,
35:33
Speaker 1: you're like, hmm, I'm going to do whatever I want, right,
35:37
Speaker 1: But yeah, just briefly to end on the legacy of this,
35:41
Speaker 1: it did. It was a catalyst for Disney, specifically of
35:46
Speaker 1: moving away from male oriented stories and making way four
35:50
Speaker 1: non romance stories in children's movies Moana and Conto Turning Red,
35:56
Speaker 1: which I do want to come back and talk about.
35:58
Speaker 1: Mowana for sure was very outspoken about how the marketing
36:03
Speaker 1: barely featured Elsa and wasn't very woman centric. She was
36:07
Speaker 1: very outspoken about being a woman director and like pushing
36:10
Speaker 1: for these things. But that they kind of were like, well,
36:13
Speaker 1: we wanted to keep Elsa's secret, and I was like,
36:15
Speaker 1: but Elsa's sort of the whole.
36:17
Speaker 2: World she was.
36:19
Speaker 1: It's the same thing they did with Star Wars. Were like, rave,
36:22
Speaker 1: we wanted to keep her secret. I was like, why,
36:24
Speaker 1: she's like the main character. And yes, it was still
36:28
Speaker 1: centered around thin, white, able, rich women. So there's that
36:34
Speaker 1: I will say It was very interesting how many people
36:38
Speaker 1: came out and criticized Frozen for things I would say
36:40
Speaker 1: they were very accepting of and male led based movies,
36:45
Speaker 1: some in good faith, like someone was like, yes, yes, yes,
36:47
Speaker 1: some not in good faith at all. There was a
36:50
Speaker 1: much shared article about how Frozen was false feminism, and
36:54
Speaker 1: I read it, and there were a lot of counter
36:56
Speaker 1: articles about it, and I read a bunch of them,
36:58
Speaker 1: and what I'll say was, it sounds like they were
37:00
Speaker 1: both saying the same thing that Disney could do more. Honestly,
37:03
Speaker 1: that's exactly what. It sounds like a lot of them
37:07
Speaker 1: were doing that thing that makes me a little uncomfortable,
37:09
Speaker 1: where they were almost unfeminist in their feminism, like kind
37:13
Speaker 1: of shaming mental health. At one point, I was like, oh, no,
37:16
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't like this, And here's like maybe
37:19
Speaker 1: my hot take. I don't think it really is, but maybe.
37:22
Speaker 1: But it feels like everyone had a lot more to
37:25
Speaker 1: say about the feminism or not of this movie because
37:27
Speaker 1: it had two female leads and one of them didn't
37:30
Speaker 1: end up with a man. When I feel like that
37:31
Speaker 1: should just be normalized and not necessarily some feminist statement
37:34
Speaker 1: like I want it to be feminist. I hope it is.
37:37
Speaker 1: I hope it's intersectional, but I don't think that that
37:39
Speaker 1: in itself should be like what right, Like when I
37:44
Speaker 1: saw it, I don't remember thinking like, wow, so feminist.
37:49
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, oh god, they finally did something different,
37:52
Speaker 1: like oh I like this song or what like. I
37:54
Speaker 1: don't remember, and I don't think it has to be that,
37:57
Speaker 1: like I just and I did. Like I said, I
38:02
Speaker 1: part of the premise does rely on us as an
38:05
Speaker 1: audience buying into the Disney fairy tale of true love
38:09
Speaker 1: and true Love's first kiss and a very head or
38:11
Speaker 1: nervous sense because they know that that's what all the
38:15
Speaker 1: movies they've made have done, and this was different. So
38:20
Speaker 1: I just like a lot of the stuff I did
38:22
Speaker 1: read so much about this, but a lot of it
38:25
Speaker 1: I just felt like, you know, maybe it was just
38:29
Speaker 1: a movie about two sisters and it's not like this,
38:32
Speaker 1: but you're making it into this huge thing, right, yes,
38:37
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, and that shouldn't be feminist. Like I said,
38:42
Speaker 1: I want it to be a feminist thing if I'm
38:44
Speaker 1: enjoying it, but that in itself shouldn't.
38:48
Speaker 2: Be like WHOA Broke them?
38:51
Speaker 1: Exactly? And it was a popular movie. It makes sense.
38:54
Speaker 1: I do this all the time if you listen to
38:56
Speaker 1: the show, you know, I dig into every the minutia
39:03
Speaker 1: of what something means when perhaps it wasn't meant to
39:06
Speaker 1: do that. So I'm not dismissing it, and I think
39:09
Speaker 1: the conversation is actually it's really great and interesting, and
39:13
Speaker 1: I don't want to underplay how important this movie was.
39:15
Speaker 1: It was a big shift in the conversation that it
39:19
Speaker 1: is now part of. It's really interesting reading about it
39:22
Speaker 1: ten years later.
39:23
Speaker 2: Right.
39:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, if you just want one final note about
39:28
Speaker 1: how big this was, there are articles written, multiple articles
39:33
Speaker 1: about climate change and frozen.
39:36
Speaker 2: I mean, that makes sense, but it's.
39:39
Speaker 1: Not about what you think it's about. Really, it's very,
39:47
Speaker 1: very in depth. But yeah, people had a lot to
39:50
Speaker 1: say they were successful. There's going to be a three
39:53
Speaker 1: and four. They're supposed to be one for every season.
39:56
Speaker 2: Oh really, Yes, it just all comes back to being winner.
40:00
Speaker 2: I know.
40:00
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the first Is this first one summer?
40:02
Speaker 1: I know the second one's fall.
40:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the first one had to be summer,
40:05
Speaker 2: because that's what I said summer.
40:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got winter and spring. I don't know
40:12
Speaker 1: when the Doubles.
40:13
Speaker 2: You don't know she's having trouble. Maybe that's the.
40:15
Speaker 1: Thing Winter Doubles. You don't know she's having.
40:18
Speaker 2: Trouble all day.
40:20
Speaker 1: You happened rhyming a last day. I'm impressed. That is
40:23
Speaker 1: a joke that a lot of people made that made
40:24
Speaker 1: me kind of uncomfortable. But I get it was that
40:27
Speaker 1: by the time Frozen three comes out, the only thing
40:29
Speaker 1: that would be Frozen or Elsa's.
40:30
Speaker 2: Eggs what I thought, But damn.
40:34
Speaker 1: Yeah for real, But anyway, I did. I mean, I
40:38
Speaker 1: can't believe how many things I had to say about Frozen,
40:40
Speaker 1: because again.
40:40
Speaker 2: I sure did.
40:42
Speaker 1: I've only seen it, except I know some of you
40:45
Speaker 1: are like seven times. But to me, I watched like
40:48
Speaker 1: a lot of movies in the background all the time.
40:50
Speaker 1: But there was just so much written about it. There
40:53
Speaker 1: was so much rattin about it. I do want to
40:56
Speaker 1: come back and do Malana Elemental, which I just watched
41:00
Speaker 1: Tangled in Kanto, which we kind of talked about but
41:03
Speaker 1: haven't talked about.
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Speaker 2: Oh we didn't. I thought we did.
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Speaker 1: No, we talked about the cat song. We talked about
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Speaker 1: the song, okay, yeah, and I think we talked about
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Speaker 1: it in turning Red because they're both kind of about
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Speaker 1: inner generational trauma.
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Speaker 2: Family.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're gonna have to spread it out otherwise.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what we.
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Speaker 2: Should talk about the evolution of the cartoons and have
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Speaker 2: they drastically changed, because you look at today like uh
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Speaker 2: in Conto and Turning Red compared to Frozen, they're so different.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I actually did find a really interesting article about
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Speaker 1: women in animation at Disney and it was with the
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Speaker 1: timeline of Frozen. So yes, absolutely, and I do want
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Speaker 1: to watch once. You've got me really interested?
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Speaker 2: Neither one?
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Speaker 1: Okay, but wow. All right, this is the end of
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